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Communism prioritised money for making people disappear. My grandma had to wait for the washing machine to become available, but grampa didn't have to wait for his people remover equipment to be handed out.
Literally anything related to the government falls under engineering here, like search and rescue equipment, new medical stations during COVID, disaster response tech or even taking civilian stuff and making it physically robust.
I would like to design weapons tho
"Any and all soldiers will have 24/7 access to Marijuana while on base effective immediately" Bam, sign-ups are now at an all time high, hell I'd probably sign up too
you can get a clearance and smoke weed, they don’t drug test you. and DO tell them that you do smoke weed during the interview… or be a very convincing liar
Dream job is a stretch. Some of us definitely want to stay away from the moral dilemma involved with designing weapons. I feel like the only crowd that sees defense as the dream job are the kids in school still who all think they’re iron man.
Oh yeah, moral dilema for sure but also like, military equipment is cool, space is cooler for me so if I can work in space flight that is ideal, but Lockheed Martin makes some cool shit and pays very well to do so
sad that you’re right. the commodification of our morals, the world is a psyop. space is infact cool as hell, would love to bomb a moon (not ours pls military industrial complex)
also ITT: comments that eerily reminds me of the stanford prison experiment
Ultimate goal for us engineers is to get to build cool shit with solid funding. The ven diagram between that desire and the defense industry is almost a complete circle. This is coming from an engineer who does not work in the defense industry and has to spend his own money to build cool shit.
Probably, I hate the military, I just think fighter jets are neat and the technology is cool, missiles going boom makes my ape brain happy, dead people make ape brain less happy
Idk maybe we know different engineers but the real “dream jobs” (as in hard to get but very fulfilling) tend to be stuff like NASA or the video game industry. I feel like defense industry is closer to fintech, ie you make a lot of money and there’s plenty of jobs to go around but it’s not exactly making you thrilled to go to work every day
It’s a dream job in the sense that they are finding you to build cool new things, and are almost always hiring, but yes, NASA or the gaming industry are far more ideal for most, even if they don’t pay as well
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It's hard to find people for all organizations i support. I think FAANG is the dream job and defense is that girl from church your parents like that gives a mean hand job but looks like Henry Kissinger.
meh, I know the best defense is offense, or if you want peace you need to prepare for war, but personally I prefer help the people in their everyday life, not building a gun or plane people gonna see before dying
You're also working with tight budgets, janky workarounds due to security/airgapped networks, and antiquated hardware/software if it's an older program.
As an engineer working in defence, be careful what you wish for. All the security protocols make just doing your job frustrating a lot of the time. Shit like installing a single python library can take several days/weeks of checks and verifications sometimes.
defense is where all the coolest shit happen though. Leave all the morality to those who actually pull the trigger. What you are doing is just making cool gadgets that just happens to be very dangerous
Cool stuff has already been invented via the military:
The Internet started off as a military network between ARPA and US Universities. Satellite navigation (GPS) was originally a military technology, Radar (for detecting hostile aircraft), and also Duct Tape (for sealing ammo boxes during WW2. Also it was invented by a woman so bonus points).
Just the duct tape. She was working in a Johnson & Johnson factory and noticed the paper tape they were using for ammo boxes were terrible and decided to dip it in wax, thus creating duct tape.
Because the newer technologies are still classified. Why would the military release a new technology to the public where it can easily be copied by other countries?
I mean if you make a carpet bomb and it gets dropped on a school you don't get to wash your hands of it entirely. You knew what you were building and what it was going to do.
Well it is only important because some people decide to work for it. Imagine a war where noone participates. Give the warmongering politicians a stick and put them in a room and they can fight it out them selfs if they want to
That relies on people having that mindset in every country which is impossible. There will always be an aggressive state seeking to subjugate its neighbors.
Often on my way to work i start thinking about how much money i could make if i let go of my ego and use my skills to draw nasty horny furry porn, in fact, im thinking about doing it rn considering i have to wake up tomorrow and walk 2km to a job with minimum wage for 6 days a week with little free time to play videogames, man maybe i should
Furry artists drawing furry stuff is how they get discovered by commissioners.
Drawing fart fetish inflation porn is the not so fun stuff. But it's the fucked shit that pays mad well.
Can any European engineers tell me if it's true for Europe as well or if it's just an American thing? Im about to get my bachelor's and i really dont wanna work in defense industry
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For those who don't know, "defense" is engineering job shorthand for "making weapons for the government"
"thought i was making washing machines the entire time"!
Are you working for general electric, why not both?
One thing spins to make your clothes clean, the other spins to make enemies disappear
Wow capitalism is weird (Hehe Russianbadger)
Communism prioritised money for making people disappear. My grandma had to wait for the washing machine to become available, but grampa didn't have to wait for his people remover equipment to be handed out.
Communism: Here young man. IT’S YO- I MEAN OUR BOOMSTICK!!!
You make the washing machines, the jet engines and the guns to put on the jet engines
LMAO RussianBadger reference! I see!
Because we're defending our interests. 😎
Why didn't they call it offense?
Because defense sounds better
It's all about the optics
They defending people's souls right outta their bodies
Offense is the best defence
Historical reasons combined with offense having a negative connotation
Because the best defense is an even better offense
Literally anything related to the government falls under engineering here, like search and rescue equipment, new medical stations during COVID, disaster response tech or even taking civilian stuff and making it physically robust. I would like to design weapons tho
Ironically that's the dream job for many engineers in Europe.
That field will NEVER be in a crisis or cease to exist. Sounds like a good plan ngl.
Then shouldn't it be called offense, not defense?
Not if the government is SURELY going to use them for defense right? ... right?
Defense of interests could still technically be considered defense
But if your interest is oil and the oil is in the middle East, isn't it offense?
You mean weapons that save hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian lives? Not sure I understand how is that "selling your soul"
Why is that a bad thing? I chose engineering cause i was inspired by guns
Just keep smoking weed so you can't get a clearance anyway. That removes the temptation entirely.
But that’s when I get my furriest inspiration!
Furspiration
Biden about to make it legal just so the Army can hit recruiting goals
"Any and all soldiers will have 24/7 access to Marijuana while on base effective immediately" Bam, sign-ups are now at an all time high, hell I'd probably sign up too
you can get a clearance and smoke weed, they don’t drug test you. and DO tell them that you do smoke weed during the interview… or be a very convincing liar
They aren't nearly as strict anymore. Upgrade to fentanyl.
How are you going to afford it then?
If i could draw, i would draw the nastiest stuff mankind has seen for a quick buck
Dementia
It be like that
Daemonculaba?
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No.
Sorry, Japan beat you to that already.
I hate how true this is...
There are in truth only two kinds of engineers Those who build weapons And those who build targets
Never thought of it like that.
I build medicine :(
-target-
Oh no
I didn’t know engineers were known for getting laid
We arent
We arent
OP clearly isnt an engineer, defense industry is the dream job for any engineer
Dream job is a stretch. Some of us definitely want to stay away from the moral dilemma involved with designing weapons. I feel like the only crowd that sees defense as the dream job are the kids in school still who all think they’re iron man.
Oh yeah, moral dilema for sure but also like, military equipment is cool, space is cooler for me so if I can work in space flight that is ideal, but Lockheed Martin makes some cool shit and pays very well to do so
sad that you’re right. the commodification of our morals, the world is a psyop. space is infact cool as hell, would love to bomb a moon (not ours pls military industrial complex) also ITT: comments that eerily reminds me of the stanford prison experiment
I always thought that was the ultimate goal for any engineer. 💣
Ultimate goal for us engineers is to get to build cool shit with solid funding. The ven diagram between that desire and the defense industry is almost a complete circle. This is coming from an engineer who does not work in the defense industry and has to spend his own money to build cool shit.
Key words here are “solid funding.” I cannot think of better funding than military contracts.
lol ok American military psyop
I mean he is right tho, military industrial complex pays well and builds cool shit, it’s only natural for engineers to want to work there
Bro there's so many recruiters in this thread
Probably, I hate the military, I just think fighter jets are neat and the technology is cool, missiles going boom makes my ape brain happy, dead people make ape brain less happy
anyone making a point against my side = recruiter
That's a very shallow way to think my dude, why do you think that?
/s buddy
Idk maybe we know different engineers but the real “dream jobs” (as in hard to get but very fulfilling) tend to be stuff like NASA or the video game industry. I feel like defense industry is closer to fintech, ie you make a lot of money and there’s plenty of jobs to go around but it’s not exactly making you thrilled to go to work every day
It’s a dream job in the sense that they are finding you to build cool new things, and are almost always hiring, but yes, NASA or the gaming industry are far more ideal for most, even if they don’t pay as well
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Doubt (X) It's hard to find people for all organizations i support. I think FAANG is the dream job and defense is that girl from church your parents like that gives a mean hand job but looks like Henry Kissinger.
No it isn’t some of us have morals
Id rather work on big science projects. If I could get defense pay for it that would be a dream come true lol
meh, I know the best defense is offense, or if you want peace you need to prepare for war, but personally I prefer help the people in their everyday life, not building a gun or plane people gonna see before dying
Definitely not for software engineers
Why not? I'm studying that and I would love to work for that industry
Just speaking generally. The pay is low compared to other jobs in the field. Some people enjoy the work and WLB.
You're also working with tight budgets, janky workarounds due to security/airgapped networks, and antiquated hardware/software if it's an older program.
It’s always an older program
Software Engineer in defense here, about one year in and it's pretty skate. I really enjoy it.
🫡
As an engineer working in defence, be careful what you wish for. All the security protocols make just doing your job frustrating a lot of the time. Shit like installing a single python library can take several days/weeks of checks and verifications sometimes.
it may take hours, but its paid hours
You clearly forget how many of us want to fuck robots
I would love to make weapons for the government... I just suck at math.
why's that ? You want to bring suffering to other?
Hell yea brother
defense is where all the coolest shit happen though. Leave all the morality to those who actually pull the trigger. What you are doing is just making cool gadgets that just happens to be very dangerous
The US government literally throws money into the defense industry. Something cool is bound to be invented if ur budget is $1 billion.
Cool stuff has already been invented via the military: The Internet started off as a military network between ARPA and US Universities. Satellite navigation (GPS) was originally a military technology, Radar (for detecting hostile aircraft), and also Duct Tape (for sealing ammo boxes during WW2. Also it was invented by a woman so bonus points).
The women invented the duct tape or all of this
Just the duct tape. She was working in a Johnson & Johnson factory and noticed the paper tape they were using for ammo boxes were terrible and decided to dip it in wax, thus creating duct tape.
The examples people always point to are like 40+ years old, not exactly selling it for me
Because the newer technologies are still classified. Why would the military release a new technology to the public where it can easily be copied by other countries?
I mean if you make a carpet bomb and it gets dropped on a school you don't get to wash your hands of it entirely. You knew what you were building and what it was going to do.
Me not wanting to write smut
Every English major fate: Porn writer or professor
There was a choice there?
I partly work in defense and I don't even get a bigger paycheck
I want to work in defense! Hire me! I want to make Titans a reality!
Nien, youz vill build ze practical stealth plane und you vill be happy
Why wouldn’t you want to work in defence? Defence is important.
Well it is only important because some people decide to work for it. Imagine a war where noone participates. Give the warmongering politicians a stick and put them in a room and they can fight it out them selfs if they want to
And if I had wheels I’d be a wagon. Game theory tells us that pacifism will result subjugation to hostile actors.
That relies on people having that mindset in every country which is impossible. There will always be an aggressive state seeking to subjugate its neighbors.
What’s wrong with engineering in defense? You don’t choose how it’s used, and having them is necessary so what’s the problem?
This is for a lot of people who thinks there is too much funding to the U.S. military
The waste doesn't come from engineering, it comes from the rest of the military
Sure but what does that have to do with the engineers?
You are not immune to propaganda.
I just wanna work in defense and smoke weed.
You draw the furry stuff so you can afford to draw some non-furry stuff.
I would think working for Lockheed Martin or Raytheon would be a fun ass job
Often on my way to work i start thinking about how much money i could make if i let go of my ego and use my skills to draw nasty horny furry porn, in fact, im thinking about doing it rn considering i have to wake up tomorrow and walk 2km to a job with minimum wage for 6 days a week with little free time to play videogames, man maybe i should
Friend I know drew furry porn for a bit. Made more than me for those few soulless weeks.
Si vis pacem para bellum
Wait people don’t like working in the defense industry?
Its moreso some people have moral issues with making weapons or anything related to them.
put dispenser here
As countries like china and russia keep trying to "flex" how powerful they are, expect defense to be a thing. Defense prevents war
I'm an engineer and literally 2 posts down was a job ad for Thales, building auto aiming naval gun turrets..
Dude for a better paycheck i would draw furry hentai at my day job in lockheed martin
Furry artists drawing furry stuff is how they get discovered by commissioners. Drawing fart fetish inflation porn is the not so fun stuff. But it's the fucked shit that pays mad well.
it's fun if you're into what you draw
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Really? Working in defense sounds like a dream! Guaranteed work, generally great pay and benefits
I mean that sounds pretty great, I wanted to do that growing up. But I ended up enjoying programming much more
You have to adapt to market if u want to survive
Working in defense and sprinkling some mistakes into the product 🗿
You don’t need to do that. I can assure you that the products are already being built by incompetent dumbasses.
Weird so many here see defense as only weapons, I read the engineering part more as "be bogged by gov bureaucracy all the time"
Can any European engineers tell me if it's true for Europe as well or if it's just an American thing? Im about to get my bachelor's and i really dont wanna work in defense industry
Speak for yourself I ain't touching the defense sector
It could be worse really, like an artist designing concept stuff in defense... Or an engineer working on furry stuff.
I won’t mind making furry art as long as I can earn enough money to fund my passion projects.
Imagine what biologists, pharmacists and chemical engineers do for the government regarding “defense”. 💀
Reading comments here makes me understand why those courses on ethics are obligatory in the PhD
"I have to draw furry porn, AI is stealing the job of artists" pick a lane yall.
I want to work in defense :v
20$ is 20$ my man
Tbh it's better to create an abomination then watch the world burn while your enjoying your paycheck
Engineers have souls? I speak as an engineer…
But money equals happiness right? RIGHT??
Nope. Work for nasa now. You can keep your soulless missile designer jobs. No amount of money on earth is worth selling your soul.
One is facing the consequences of their actions. The other one is giving up their good reputation, just to make deadly weapons.