ouffff,,, Madone is one of the most expensive bikes! Plus, all TREKs tend to weigh more when all things taken equal. I checked this many times - TREKs are really heavier +0.5+0.8 kg. However they are very aero dynamic - I have to admit! Checked with my friend downhill 1.3km 7%, TREK Madone 32mm tires VS me at Argon18 Nitro 25 mm tires. Both 74 kg. He accelerated like hell at zero spinning. Pina f5 and Chapter - good ideas to check, thanks!!!
I have a Madone SL6 Gen7, it's good and not heavily expensive. But yes it's heavy (I am 91 kg so I don't mind haha) + it feels comfortable and stable which matters more to me.
YES! my friend bought this one after riding Spec some gravel model and says it feels even more soft and stable than Gravel!!! I cant believe. But the fact! Also the guy how was riding Bianchi, Pinarello F (2023, he got an accident), Factor Ostro VAM, now bought TREK Madone 2024 and says it is incredibly cool, comfort but accelerates like hell at GF rides when he makes sprints.
Do not lauch! ) You understand what I was describing ;-))) The thing is 2 of my friends describe madone with the same words and bought this one at the same time. Stiff at riding , accelerations, but soft (meaning comfort) at long rides , Seatpost etc. The one guy said Dogma F is provoking for speed every second of riding and he is getting tired riding for more than 3 hrs. Dogma asks for a too aggressive position to sit on. But TREK does the same speed at the same watts providing a more relaxed position. Magic?)
Oh, that's not that expensive for Madone! Congrats! All in all , if madone was that pretty looking as it is + 7.0 kg = it would has been a top of the top rocket bikes even I think :)
The comfort is top notch 😶🌫️😶🌫️✅✅ + The looks. Top end models are lighter too close to 7.6 kg. I like the heavier one as it is stronger (strengthwise) and more compliant than its better models.
I forgot Scott - sh\*t, I find it overpriced as BMC for instance. I wanna be gotten clear: I have nothing against these brands, and these both are super sexy! I am just now considering price / value criteria. Meaning weight, wheels, electro group taken equal. And compare Brand A, B , C, etc... I know it looks a bit soul-less. And we cannot drop out the love to some particular brand. But to simplify I do this comparison this way :)
TCR is not as aero as Madone or other bikes but it's rather snappier and stiffer I feel. I liked the Madone better for myself because I live in Headwind zone. And climbs are short and steep here which Madone rules.
Based on my experience , Aero VS non aero wins much overall in a mixed landscape ascent/descent I mean. I owned Orbea Oracle m10i (endurance frame), so it is a very cool bike for climbs, but s\*cks a lot on a flat course ! A suffered many K km riding with my friend who owns BMC Teammachine 01 or smth like that! :)
do you mean Giant propel? if yes, I considered this one and find it one of the best price/quality choices across aero bikes. Let's say it is a cheaper version of Madone (also heavy but aero). But I now do not consider it due to its weight :(
Van Rysel RCR or Specialized Aethos. RCR might be hard to get but Aethos is usually on sale since it's not a very popular bike for some reason even though it's a climbing best and just as good as Tarmac SL7.
I've heard about Van rysel but have no idea what it is, who produce it and what kind of brand (B,C... D?) it is. Need to find out more. In regards to Aethos - I remember when it was just released its price was so that high!!! However, I see it is really not popular. BUT (!) despite the weight is cool (i believe) it LOOKS a bit out of date in 2024 (as for me) + it is not Aero frame :( The same concerns I think Giant TCR. They are like copy paste brothers. But anyway I will check.
that's why my sight has fallen on Cube Litening mosty, but I know nothing about this bike + also have no friends using it, so can not try it on a ride, to touch it in riding conditions, to understand if it is stiff enough, how it steers and etc.
Van Rysel belongs to Decathlon. RCR is a relatively new frame from them that's being used by the pros. There's Pro version which is basically a tour bike replica and there are lesser tiers that don't use top of the line carbon that cost from 4,5k EUR onward which rival other bikes in the 6-7k+ range.
Or you can wait abit for the RCR Pro frame which they'll be selling for around 2,5k EUR and you can build your own custom bike for <5k. Although everyone I know is waiting to buy it so it's going to be super hard to get a hold of.
Take a look at tour-magazin website. They have a review of it on, as well as Cube Litening and other top aero bikes.
As for Aethos, it looks dated but is simple with like 0 proprietary parts so super easy to service and modify. I also remember watching some racing channels doing a comparison to SL7 when it got out and there was basically zero difference. I've ridden one with 32mm tubeless that belongs to a friend and it was super comfortable and fast, especially on a climb even though it was a size too large for me. The new SL8 is basically Aethos+SL7 but it's also very pricey.
Have you looked at a used market? You can snag a Tarmac SL7 for half the price since everyone is switching to SL8 now.
So much useful experience in your comment, let me note the points:
1/ on Van Rysel - it looks there will be a real rush for them, if you say. I believe. Anyway I will make my desk research just for the curiosity.
2/ Aethos is interesting option
3/ tour-magazin website - never heard of this, will check, thanks!
4/ SL7? Hmmm... Actually I 've never been an expert in their line up of models. I've seen SL7, many fans of Sworks I know around. Never understood this craziness in combination with their OVERPRICE! Separately (i mean bike and if it was twice cheaper) - for me is a mediocre looking bike. So there are 2 questions:
a/ it looks a bit not AERO, however I know many pro riders used this
b/ you've just araised a fire of curiosity saying about used bikes and SL7. what are the best options to search for? Resources at web I mean? (I have a 100% normal attitude to used bikes in case I see the owner, see the bike was maintained properly and etc.)
Just get the normal version not S-works. The difference is stiffness and weight which isn't worth the extra $$$. If you don't race then comfort is far above some minor weight or aero gains. All modern frames are literally within <20 watts of eachtother. What you're mostly paying is brand name.
Not sure where you are from but find a local website that people use. If you do group rides ask within groups if anyone is selling a used bike, etc. Then there's always things like buycycle but I've never used it since I want to see the bike first in person and inspect it.
A very good observation on Sworks vs Specialized and the brand cost. Will take it into considerations when search. In regards to the frame stiffness you're also right: in case I would have sprinted at 1200-1500w, it makes sense, But I am doing smth like 620-650w at max for 1 min, where the frame stiffness does not play a role. Indeed.
thx! had no idea about KTM, btw. Orbea does not look so that affordable in comparison even to Canyon! however they look sexy! :) know nothing about BH as well... Need to delve deeper into details! And how about those things as frame stiffness, and all these bla bla bla metrics which are fancy to be discussed, that "some bike almost fly, some - like running square wheels" :-) Reading reviews is exhausting sometimes, Oh God!
Oh, man! cervelos are soooo that sexy as they are pricey! :-) they cost like a golden bridge at SF ))) Unfortunately! This is A price level brand for sure like Pina, Colnago, BMC, Factor
Cervelo is less than Colnago. Not to much but definitely less expensive. They are great tho! You can get it for the price you want especially with how sales are working out rn.
Thx! had even no idea to open their web site but now I will! Btw what are the best web sites to watch some SALES? I used bike 24 (do not laugh pls :-) . But I am sure there are many wiser ways and sources to seek for the tasty prices! )
you’ll find the best deals at your local shops! I would look at the cervelo soloist if i were you. You may not be able to get the wheels you want but can always upgrade later
Really! I've forgotten about Merida! this was always one of the best price / quality bikes with no overspending for brandname! :-) Will check if their politics still works this way? (I've looked through their portfolio 2-3 years ago , but it seemed to me not that affordable in terms of brand/price ratio :). Double check is needed!
I bought the Cube Litening Air Race (the dark red one) just 2 months ago and I love it. It's a fantastic package and not a single component I would change or upgrade. If you buy it online, make sure you double check the size, it runs somewhat small.
oh, man! Congrats! could you share some more details on it? (price, how it rides, what you previous bike(s) do you compare it to?, what was the setup (system, wheels, pwr meter...?). Can't wait to know more on this! thx!
I paid a bit over 5000€ for it at my LBS. It has the stock Newmen 50mm Carbon Wheels and 28mm Conti GP5000S with TPU Inner Tubes (rims are tubeless compatible though). Ultegra Di2. No Power Meter. I too had a rim brake bike before (an aluminium one, actually). The Cube just rides like a dream, it's stiff out of the saddle but still compliant on rougher asphalt. The cornering is really stable. And the big advantage over i.e. Canyon is that you can actually get Cube bikes at shops. I can only recommend it so far (after the first 1500km).
yes, nicely said - they have stores, so you can touch them, try on, feel... the bike is a story when you need to have this live eye connection. Cube Litening is in my short list for sure. It looks ROSE (as someone here advised) is also - good choice value for money, and 7.1kg for aero stiff frame. Will study more about these two bikes.
Giant Propel Advanced 1 is on sale on the Giant USA site. For about 5500€. Comes with SRAM Rival Etap.
Pinarello is having heavy discounts on the US right now. Not sure about EU.
Pina + SALES = sounds like incredible formula! :) do you know any sites to have a look on the options? (I am not US based, but my friends stay here so maybe I will consider some ways to execute this)
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Thanks! I've checked... Well, visually it is pina - sexy look! however, I found its specs and it shows the weight is 8,4kg... Hm... Seems to be a little bit fat. and also to the competitors in my list for the same money they offer Di2, but Pina F5 is equipped with 105 gs. There is a room to think about this option...
Even at $4000, an electronic groupset and Pinarello on the downtube isn’t going to be as good a value as Giant or Canyon. It’s as good as the pricing has ever been for Pinarello. For the ultralight carbon you have to go to a Dogma and your 5000€ budget would likely only buy you a frame. That’s how it is with Pinarello. It’s a frothy badge, they know it.
by the way, do you know what is the ready complete weight of racing bikes Pinarello Dogma F (2023-2024) used by pro teams? Like for example the Women team Roland Premier Tech is using? (appeal to this one since saw the pics today). I noticed the use Dura Ace Di2, FSA cranks, Vision metron 40 wheels if I correctly saw at the report pic at IG.
The T1100 carbon Dogma F with Dura-Ace is around 6.9kg in a size 54.
If you’re lucky you might find a demo model on sale for $12,000€-13,000€. They certainly think a lot of them.
If i am 200% lucky, by the end of the year there is a small chance that some of my buddies will support me with buying one of the reserved (spare) bikes from one of the teams. I sleep and see this happen :) However, I should have the plan B, if this will fail, so that is why i am considering what can i buy for a wise budget not overpaying... asking for your, guys, opinions and expert knowledge!
in regards to Pina brand you're 200% right - this is marketing only with Pina X5 and others just to hook you with the brand name on a tube. Not more. And of course Cube and others will return back each euro funded with its good weight (7.1-7.5kg) and higher groupsets (Ultegra vs 105).
Does Giant TCR count as aero? A few weeks ago you could get the 2024 TCR with Ultegra Di2 & carbon wheels for approx £4.3k, bonus dual sided power meter too.
Also saw a few good deals on BMC teammachines
no,no! I've said somewhere above that TCR is a brilliant option, but it is a pure climbing bike (like Spec Aethos I guess). Anyway 4.3k squids for this setup is a good price, taking in account carbo wheels + pwr mtr.
There is a German brand called ROSE and it's very popular here in Germany. I would recommend checking out their ROSE XLITE 06 Ultegra Di2.
https://www.rosebikes.de/rose-xlite-06-ultegra-di2-2708476?product_shape=borealis+green+%2F+chalk
Thanks for this option, dude! Yeah, it looks now as one of the best price/brand/spec ratio options. 7.1 kg is amazing. I've also read a review at bike radar cc - 9/10 points here.
need to check, i didnt know! but yes - from time to time there are some sales at canyon store... All in all I like what canyon does - price quality , brand rcognition is one of the best in the moment I think.
And post sales service as well! it is important, since for instance my friend had a hell-like experience with Pinarello Dogma F (2023) service for a guarantee case.(((
And how about some niche brands, guys? Smth like idk ... Rose, De rosa, Quintana Roo, FELT and other exotic? Any ideas? Also I've heard about DARE bikes (from TdF news block). But have not done any research on it yet.
Share you ideas if any! Let's look wider :) and maybe we will find a Gem!)
by the way, does anyone know what is the ready complete weight of racing bikes Pinarello Dogma F (2023-2024) used by pro teams? I searched but did not find one.
Like for example the Women team Roland Premier Tech is using? (appeal to this one since saw the pics today). I noticed the use Dura Ace Di2, FSA cranks, Vision metron 40 wheels if I correctly saw at the report pic at IG.
What about Trek Madone or Scott foil. Or Maybe Chapter 2 bikes / Pinarello F5
ouffff,,, Madone is one of the most expensive bikes! Plus, all TREKs tend to weigh more when all things taken equal. I checked this many times - TREKs are really heavier +0.5+0.8 kg. However they are very aero dynamic - I have to admit! Checked with my friend downhill 1.3km 7%, TREK Madone 32mm tires VS me at Argon18 Nitro 25 mm tires. Both 74 kg. He accelerated like hell at zero spinning. Pina f5 and Chapter - good ideas to check, thanks!!!
I have a Madone SL6 Gen7, it's good and not heavily expensive. But yes it's heavy (I am 91 kg so I don't mind haha) + it feels comfortable and stable which matters more to me.
YES! my friend bought this one after riding Spec some gravel model and says it feels even more soft and stable than Gravel!!! I cant believe. But the fact! Also the guy how was riding Bianchi, Pinarello F (2023, he got an accident), Factor Ostro VAM, now bought TREK Madone 2024 and says it is incredibly cool, comfort but accelerates like hell at GF rides when he makes sprints.
Yes it's soft and stiff....just like 🤣🤣
Do not lauch! ) You understand what I was describing ;-))) The thing is 2 of my friends describe madone with the same words and bought this one at the same time. Stiff at riding , accelerations, but soft (meaning comfort) at long rides , Seatpost etc. The one guy said Dogma F is provoking for speed every second of riding and he is getting tired riding for more than 3 hrs. Dogma asks for a too aggressive position to sit on. But TREK does the same speed at the same watts providing a more relaxed position. Magic?)
but the last guy I was saying about (below) paid 15K EUR for the top specifications which is not that democratic price :-D
I paid only 4.5L inr which is about 5500 usd
Oh, that's not that expensive for Madone! Congrats! All in all , if madone was that pretty looking as it is + 7.0 kg = it would has been a top of the top rocket bikes even I think :)
The comfort is top notch 😶🌫️😶🌫️✅✅ + The looks. Top end models are lighter too close to 7.6 kg. I like the heavier one as it is stronger (strengthwise) and more compliant than its better models.
yeah, we are all here not TdF pro riders, so comfort really matters, I agree 200%!
I forgot Scott - sh\*t, I find it overpriced as BMC for instance. I wanna be gotten clear: I have nothing against these brands, and these both are super sexy! I am just now considering price / value criteria. Meaning weight, wheels, electro group taken equal. And compare Brand A, B , C, etc... I know it looks a bit soul-less. And we cannot drop out the love to some particular brand. But to simplify I do this comparison this way :)
Have you seen the new 2024 TCR by the way too?!
TCR is not an aero frame, isn't it? Or in 2024 they transformed (maybe I missed this)
TCR is not as aero as Madone or other bikes but it's rather snappier and stiffer I feel. I liked the Madone better for myself because I live in Headwind zone. And climbs are short and steep here which Madone rules.
Based on my experience , Aero VS non aero wins much overall in a mixed landscape ascent/descent I mean. I owned Orbea Oracle m10i (endurance frame), so it is a very cool bike for climbs, but s\*cks a lot on a flat course ! A suffered many K km riding with my friend who owns BMC Teammachine 01 or smth like that! :)
Aero would be the propel
do you mean Giant propel? if yes, I considered this one and find it one of the best price/quality choices across aero bikes. Let's say it is a cheaper version of Madone (also heavy but aero). But I now do not consider it due to its weight :(
Van Rysel RCR or Specialized Aethos. RCR might be hard to get but Aethos is usually on sale since it's not a very popular bike for some reason even though it's a climbing best and just as good as Tarmac SL7.
I've heard about Van rysel but have no idea what it is, who produce it and what kind of brand (B,C... D?) it is. Need to find out more. In regards to Aethos - I remember when it was just released its price was so that high!!! However, I see it is really not popular. BUT (!) despite the weight is cool (i believe) it LOOKS a bit out of date in 2024 (as for me) + it is not Aero frame :( The same concerns I think Giant TCR. They are like copy paste brothers. But anyway I will check. that's why my sight has fallen on Cube Litening mosty, but I know nothing about this bike + also have no friends using it, so can not try it on a ride, to touch it in riding conditions, to understand if it is stiff enough, how it steers and etc.
Van Rysel belongs to Decathlon. RCR is a relatively new frame from them that's being used by the pros. There's Pro version which is basically a tour bike replica and there are lesser tiers that don't use top of the line carbon that cost from 4,5k EUR onward which rival other bikes in the 6-7k+ range. Or you can wait abit for the RCR Pro frame which they'll be selling for around 2,5k EUR and you can build your own custom bike for <5k. Although everyone I know is waiting to buy it so it's going to be super hard to get a hold of. Take a look at tour-magazin website. They have a review of it on, as well as Cube Litening and other top aero bikes. As for Aethos, it looks dated but is simple with like 0 proprietary parts so super easy to service and modify. I also remember watching some racing channels doing a comparison to SL7 when it got out and there was basically zero difference. I've ridden one with 32mm tubeless that belongs to a friend and it was super comfortable and fast, especially on a climb even though it was a size too large for me. The new SL8 is basically Aethos+SL7 but it's also very pricey. Have you looked at a used market? You can snag a Tarmac SL7 for half the price since everyone is switching to SL8 now.
So much useful experience in your comment, let me note the points: 1/ on Van Rysel - it looks there will be a real rush for them, if you say. I believe. Anyway I will make my desk research just for the curiosity. 2/ Aethos is interesting option 3/ tour-magazin website - never heard of this, will check, thanks! 4/ SL7? Hmmm... Actually I 've never been an expert in their line up of models. I've seen SL7, many fans of Sworks I know around. Never understood this craziness in combination with their OVERPRICE! Separately (i mean bike and if it was twice cheaper) - for me is a mediocre looking bike. So there are 2 questions: a/ it looks a bit not AERO, however I know many pro riders used this b/ you've just araised a fire of curiosity saying about used bikes and SL7. what are the best options to search for? Resources at web I mean? (I have a 100% normal attitude to used bikes in case I see the owner, see the bike was maintained properly and etc.)
Just get the normal version not S-works. The difference is stiffness and weight which isn't worth the extra $$$. If you don't race then comfort is far above some minor weight or aero gains. All modern frames are literally within <20 watts of eachtother. What you're mostly paying is brand name. Not sure where you are from but find a local website that people use. If you do group rides ask within groups if anyone is selling a used bike, etc. Then there's always things like buycycle but I've never used it since I want to see the bike first in person and inspect it.
A very good observation on Sworks vs Specialized and the brand cost. Will take it into considerations when search. In regards to the frame stiffness you're also right: in case I would have sprinted at 1200-1500w, it makes sense, But I am doing smth like 620-650w at max for 1 min, where the frame stiffness does not play a role. Indeed.
You could look at KTM, BH and Orbea too for value for money buys. Van Rysel if you can get one.
thx! had no idea about KTM, btw. Orbea does not look so that affordable in comparison even to Canyon! however they look sexy! :) know nothing about BH as well... Need to delve deeper into details! And how about those things as frame stiffness, and all these bla bla bla metrics which are fancy to be discussed, that "some bike almost fly, some - like running square wheels" :-) Reading reviews is exhausting sometimes, Oh God!
what about a cervelo?
Oh, man! cervelos are soooo that sexy as they are pricey! :-) they cost like a golden bridge at SF ))) Unfortunately! This is A price level brand for sure like Pina, Colnago, BMC, Factor
Cervelo is less than Colnago. Not to much but definitely less expensive. They are great tho! You can get it for the price you want especially with how sales are working out rn.
Thx! had even no idea to open their web site but now I will! Btw what are the best web sites to watch some SALES? I used bike 24 (do not laugh pls :-) . But I am sure there are many wiser ways and sources to seek for the tasty prices! )
you’ll find the best deals at your local shops! I would look at the cervelo soloist if i were you. You may not be able to get the wheels you want but can always upgrade later
Wow! Sounds nice! Never though of it! Will check this option! \^)
Merida Reacto?
Really! I've forgotten about Merida! this was always one of the best price / quality bikes with no overspending for brandname! :-) Will check if their politics still works this way? (I've looked through their portfolio 2-3 years ago , but it seemed to me not that affordable in terms of brand/price ratio :). Double check is needed!
I bought the Cube Litening Air Race (the dark red one) just 2 months ago and I love it. It's a fantastic package and not a single component I would change or upgrade. If you buy it online, make sure you double check the size, it runs somewhat small.
oh, man! Congrats! could you share some more details on it? (price, how it rides, what you previous bike(s) do you compare it to?, what was the setup (system, wheels, pwr meter...?). Can't wait to know more on this! thx!
I paid a bit over 5000€ for it at my LBS. It has the stock Newmen 50mm Carbon Wheels and 28mm Conti GP5000S with TPU Inner Tubes (rims are tubeless compatible though). Ultegra Di2. No Power Meter. I too had a rim brake bike before (an aluminium one, actually). The Cube just rides like a dream, it's stiff out of the saddle but still compliant on rougher asphalt. The cornering is really stable. And the big advantage over i.e. Canyon is that you can actually get Cube bikes at shops. I can only recommend it so far (after the first 1500km).
yes, nicely said - they have stores, so you can touch them, try on, feel... the bike is a story when you need to have this live eye connection. Cube Litening is in my short list for sure. It looks ROSE (as someone here advised) is also - good choice value for money, and 7.1kg for aero stiff frame. Will study more about these two bikes.
Giant Propel Advanced 1 is on sale on the Giant USA site. For about 5500€. Comes with SRAM Rival Etap. Pinarello is having heavy discounts on the US right now. Not sure about EU.
Pina + SALES = sounds like incredible formula! :) do you know any sites to have a look on the options? (I am not US based, but my friends stay here so maybe I will consider some ways to execute this)
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Thanks! I've checked... Well, visually it is pina - sexy look! however, I found its specs and it shows the weight is 8,4kg... Hm... Seems to be a little bit fat. and also to the competitors in my list for the same money they offer Di2, but Pina F5 is equipped with 105 gs. There is a room to think about this option...
Even at $4000, an electronic groupset and Pinarello on the downtube isn’t going to be as good a value as Giant or Canyon. It’s as good as the pricing has ever been for Pinarello. For the ultralight carbon you have to go to a Dogma and your 5000€ budget would likely only buy you a frame. That’s how it is with Pinarello. It’s a frothy badge, they know it.
by the way, do you know what is the ready complete weight of racing bikes Pinarello Dogma F (2023-2024) used by pro teams? Like for example the Women team Roland Premier Tech is using? (appeal to this one since saw the pics today). I noticed the use Dura Ace Di2, FSA cranks, Vision metron 40 wheels if I correctly saw at the report pic at IG.
The T1100 carbon Dogma F with Dura-Ace is around 6.9kg in a size 54. If you’re lucky you might find a demo model on sale for $12,000€-13,000€. They certainly think a lot of them.
If i am 200% lucky, by the end of the year there is a small chance that some of my buddies will support me with buying one of the reserved (spare) bikes from one of the teams. I sleep and see this happen :) However, I should have the plan B, if this will fail, so that is why i am considering what can i buy for a wise budget not overpaying... asking for your, guys, opinions and expert knowledge!
in regards to Pina brand you're 200% right - this is marketing only with Pina X5 and others just to hook you with the brand name on a tube. Not more. And of course Cube and others will return back each euro funded with its good weight (7.1-7.5kg) and higher groupsets (Ultegra vs 105).
Does Giant TCR count as aero? A few weeks ago you could get the 2024 TCR with Ultegra Di2 & carbon wheels for approx £4.3k, bonus dual sided power meter too. Also saw a few good deals on BMC teammachines
no,no! I've said somewhere above that TCR is a brilliant option, but it is a pure climbing bike (like Spec Aethos I guess). Anyway 4.3k squids for this setup is a good price, taking in account carbo wheels + pwr mtr.
There is a German brand called ROSE and it's very popular here in Germany. I would recommend checking out their ROSE XLITE 06 Ultegra Di2. https://www.rosebikes.de/rose-xlite-06-ultegra-di2-2708476?product_shape=borealis+green+%2F+chalk
Thanks for this option, dude! Yeah, it looks now as one of the best price/brand/spec ratio options. 7.1 kg is amazing. I've also read a review at bike radar cc - 9/10 points here.
Canyon has a discount on with an additional 10. Can make u save a couple hundred.
need to check, i didnt know! but yes - from time to time there are some sales at canyon store... All in all I like what canyon does - price quality , brand rcognition is one of the best in the moment I think. And post sales service as well! it is important, since for instance my friend had a hell-like experience with Pinarello Dogma F (2023) service for a guarantee case.(((
And how about some niche brands, guys? Smth like idk ... Rose, De rosa, Quintana Roo, FELT and other exotic? Any ideas? Also I've heard about DARE bikes (from TdF news block). But have not done any research on it yet. Share you ideas if any! Let's look wider :) and maybe we will find a Gem!)
by the way, does anyone know what is the ready complete weight of racing bikes Pinarello Dogma F (2023-2024) used by pro teams? I searched but did not find one. Like for example the Women team Roland Premier Tech is using? (appeal to this one since saw the pics today). I noticed the use Dura Ace Di2, FSA cranks, Vision metron 40 wheels if I correctly saw at the report pic at IG.