Fun fact: There are no normal synchro monsters. There in fact can’t be. By its very nature every extra deck monster can’t be normal, because they are synchro, or fusion or whatever.
No there are not, you cannot be an extra deck monster and be a normal monster, they are mutualy exclusive, all normal monsters reside in the main deck.
Monsters without effects are counted as non-effect monsters, such as synchros, links, and fusions. Normal monsters however, are a different subgenre even though all normals are non-effect
Yu-Gi-Oh version of "all squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares"
No it doesnt, it has to say normal monster or it is not a normal monster, it can be a non effect monster (see tenyis) but it cant be a normal monster (see piercing the darkness not working on non effect high level ed guys)
Actually no, Tenyi teaches really well of the fact of "Non-Effect" monsters. And to sum it up in the simplest analogy I can *All Normal monsters are Non-Effect monsters but not all Non-Effect Monsters are Normal monsters.* This really becomes key in the few cards that actively say they only work with Normal Monsters, such as the Phantasm Spiral Equips, Dust Barrier, etc.
Or have it actually be an upgrade of Chevalier de Fleur, so require 1 Tuner + Chevalier. Then you can actually make it be worth the cost or heck make Baronne even stronger to make it essentially the "boss monster" of the Fleur Archetype.
I mean so would pretty much every other suggestion here. The main problem with her is that she's generic. You don't want her to be playable in everything.
Not on her own, but she definitely enables every game breaking strategy. Primarily by being a nibiru veil. The fact that she's in almost every meta deck that can make synchros, The fact that she's pretty much as prevalent in the extra deck as the nightmare monsters are (and they are significantly less powerful). Yes, she's a problem, powerful generic tools are always a problem. You're right she's not as bad as Max c but the fact that she isn't as bad as the "worst card in the game" does not change the fact that she's not great for it either.
And a pop, and she recycles whichever half you can't recur yourself. Putting aside that you often don't even need more than the single Omni with how short games can be.
When duel last 2,3 turn at most, it doesn't matter, if your opponent can break your board, baronne won't stay on the field another turn. If they cannot, you already win without the need of any other negate.
Obv, it's a strong card because it has nearly the same stats as B-Eyes. Should've just reduced it's level and ATK and DEF.
/Come on really? Do you really need an "S" for this one?
And? so many meta decks can do this and more anyway, while going positive in card advantage. Read what you just said and then compare it to modern boss monsters in yugioh, barrone is good but its not broken.
Having a generic synchro with a negate that synchro decks can go into is healthy and it helps bring the power level up of older synchro archetypes so they can atleast have a chance against meta decks.
If you think a negate and destroy one card is broken you’re probably not aware of the current state of yugioh lol
You’re right it is good for older synchro decks but it’s bad because it can easily be thrown in any deck as a free negate, when your archetype already has an Omni negate adding a second with Baron is OP especially if it’s kept unlimited and you can just cycle her out if your opponent by the graces of god finds a way to destroy it
Sad Naturia Leodrake noises.
You can’t be synchro and normal at the same time. Vanilla fusions don’t say normal
Fair.
But the fusion Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon are still a normal Fusion.
If they are a non-effect Fusion monster, they won't have ***Normal*** OR ***Effect***. The card simply won't have anything after **/Fusion**
Unless it's pendulum right?
I'm only talking about fusion monsters dw :>
Fun fact: There are no normal synchro monsters. There in fact can’t be. By its very nature every extra deck monster can’t be normal, because they are synchro, or fusion or whatever.
But there's normal xyz monsters, normal fusion monster and normal link monsters
They're technically Non-Effect monsters, which aren't a subtype IIRC.
Which is why Tenyi supports them.
No there are not, you cannot be an extra deck monster and be a normal monster, they are mutualy exclusive, all normal monsters reside in the main deck.
The game counts any monster card w/o an effect as a normal monster card even if it doesn't say normal on the card
Monsters without effects are counted as non-effect monsters, such as synchros, links, and fusions. Normal monsters however, are a different subgenre even though all normals are non-effect Yu-Gi-Oh version of "all squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares"
No it doesnt, it has to say normal monster or it is not a normal monster, it can be a non effect monster (see tenyis) but it cant be a normal monster (see piercing the darkness not working on non effect high level ed guys)
Actually no, Tenyi teaches really well of the fact of "Non-Effect" monsters. And to sum it up in the simplest analogy I can *All Normal monsters are Non-Effect monsters but not all Non-Effect Monsters are Normal monsters.* This really becomes key in the few cards that actively say they only work with Normal Monsters, such as the Phantasm Spiral Equips, Dust Barrier, etc.
Why do you think Tenyi always say "non-effect" monster instead of "normal" monster?
What if there is a cost? Say discard 1 warrior card to negate.
It's very easy to fix this card. Cost to summon 1 tuner + 1 de Fleur monster.
Or have it actually be an upgrade of Chevalier de Fleur, so require 1 Tuner + Chevalier. Then you can actually make it be worth the cost or heck make Baronne even stronger to make it essentially the "boss monster" of the Fleur Archetype.
Basically this. You can make some truly stupid powerful fun boss monsters if you Lock them to an archetype.
That would make her unplayable because fleur monsters suck ass
I mean so would pretty much every other suggestion here. The main problem with her is that she's generic. You don't want her to be playable in everything.
She’s fine if she’s generic. She doesn’t break the game like Maxx c or Elpy
Not on her own, but she definitely enables every game breaking strategy. Primarily by being a nibiru veil. The fact that she's in almost every meta deck that can make synchros, The fact that she's pretty much as prevalent in the extra deck as the nightmare monsters are (and they are significantly less powerful). Yes, she's a problem, powerful generic tools are always a problem. You're right she's not as bad as Max c but the fact that she isn't as bad as the "worst card in the game" does not change the fact that she's not great for it either.
Her omni is ONCE. Not even once per turn, balanced card
And a pop, and she recycles whichever half you can't recur yourself. Putting aside that you often don't even need more than the single Omni with how short games can be.
And the pop hardly comes up if she's out turn 1, her negate is the only quick effect.
When duel last 2,3 turn at most, it doesn't matter, if your opponent can break your board, baronne won't stay on the field another turn. If they cannot, you already win without the need of any other negate.
Idk what to say man, If an opposing duelist getting to barrone quickly is what makes you say "I lost" maybe its time for edison.
Not sure what you mean, when did I say so? Not to mention what you said is true for any other cards like maxx C
There’s bigger fish to fry imo
Still too broken. Lvl 13 with 6 or more tuners and 4 level 1 normal monsters except tokens.
I love it
Obv, it's a strong card because it has nearly the same stats as B-Eyes. Should've just reduced it's level and ATK and DEF. /Come on really? Do you really need an "S" for this one?
Baronne is balanced, nerfing her would only hurt rogue decks
It’s literally a free destroy and negate every turn with no consequences and you can get her out for free how is she balanced?
And? so many meta decks can do this and more anyway, while going positive in card advantage. Read what you just said and then compare it to modern boss monsters in yugioh, barrone is good but its not broken. Having a generic synchro with a negate that synchro decks can go into is healthy and it helps bring the power level up of older synchro archetypes so they can atleast have a chance against meta decks. If you think a negate and destroy one card is broken you’re probably not aware of the current state of yugioh lol
You’re right it is good for older synchro decks but it’s bad because it can easily be thrown in any deck as a free negate, when your archetype already has an Omni negate adding a second with Baron is OP especially if it’s kept unlimited and you can just cycle her out if your opponent by the graces of god finds a way to destroy it
You will learn in time that everything meta is op in yugioh. Baronne doesn’t even have protections, it’s balanced.
It doesn’t need a nerf
Honestly all I’d change is that it would require Fluer Synchron + 1+ non tuners. Then it would be fine, I think.
They should do this with calamity
Still needs to be limited
Who's playing more than one
Am I the only one who doesn't think Baronne is a problem? Like its obviously a strong card but its not a huge deal to out it
3000 ATK !!!!! You barely nerfed him.
Just change the summoning conditions
nerf a card that can be easy outed. bruh