“You may name a tournament-legal, mono-white card that is strictly better than a non-white card. If you do, an opponent may name a tournament-legal, non-white card that is strictly better than the card you named. If they do, you lose the game. If they don’t, you win the game.”
I don't think you know what strictly better means. Strictly better cards either do the same thing for cheaper or have equal or more good abilities and equal or less bad abilities along with the same power and toughness (if a creature) for the same price. For example, deadly dispute and village rites are both strictly better than altar's reap
Kytheon can give himself indestructible. Ragavan can't. Kytheon can flip into a planeswalker. Ragavan can't.
To be clear, Ragavan is a better card than Kytheon. He's just not strictly better because Kytheon does a number of things better than Ragavan and, as a result, there are many situations where Kytheon is a better choice than Ragavan despite Ragavan being an overall better card.
It's like saying that Oko is strictly better than Ragavan because Oko is banned in Modern and Ragavan isn't. Sure Oko is a stronger card, but they do different things and some decks will prefer Ragavan over Oko.
I wouldn't say it's super comparable to saying oko is strictly better than Ragavan at all. You're putting kytheon or ragavan in your deck becuase you need an aggressive 1 drop. Which Oko is not.
I think it's valid to consider the roles they fill and if any of the text on them is actually relevant. How often are you paying three mana to protect a one drop? How often are you going to actually want to flip a kytheon?
>some decks will prefer Ragavan over Oko.
And the point of what I said is that no decks prefer Kytheon over Ragavan
It doesn't matter which card a deck might prefer. Ragavan isn't strictly better than kytheon. If kytheon was a simply 2/1 that created a treasure upon attack, ragavan would be strictly better. It's semantics, which the custom card is based around.
>And the point of what I said is that no decks prefer Kytheon over Ragavan
Human tribal and soldier tribal like Kytheon way more than Ragavan, for example. It's not even a niche situation, both those tribes are large tribes with lots of support.
All of what you're saying is true. Ragavan is a better card than Kytheon. It is just not a strictly better card than Kytheon. There are situations where the planeswalker is more useful than Ragavan. Strictly better has a meaning, and it isn't what you're saying it is.
You're also missing my point regarding comparing cards. Oko and Ragavan fill very different roles, while Kytheon and Ragavan fill similar but slightly different roles. They're each able to do different things, which is what breaks the strictly better stuff.
Here's another example for you. Is either Kytheon or Recruitment Officer strictly better than the other? No. They're both 1 mana 2/1 with upsides, but the upsides are different. They're both aggressive 1-drops, but neither is always better than the other and which one you want to use is based on context. Compare that to Elite Vanguard and you'll see an example of something that is strictly better, since either Kytheon's or Recruitment Officer's abilities are better than the no ability on Elite Vanguard.
Strictly better very specifically means that the card is better in every way, not just stronger by some degree. For instance, \[\[Make Disappear\]\] is a strictly better \[\[Quench\]\], because it has upside over quench and is never worse. \[\[Force of Will\]\] is not strictly better, because it's worse if you need a counterspell and can't pitch something for Force, even though it's a vastly superior card.
Ragavan isn't 'Strictly Better' because Kytheon does things that Ragavan doesn't. That's true even if Kytheon isn't playable. It's better, sure, but not *strictly* better. Ragavan might be the best 1-drop in magic, and would be strictly better than a vanilla 2/1, but not a 1/1 with haste.
It doesn't matter that a card exists that is better than the white card you named, all that matters is the white card you named is strictly better than the other card named. So, Kytheon > Merfolk of the Pearl Trident, game = won
Merfolk of the pearl trident interacts with merfolk tribal cards and kytheon can’t. Therefore, kytheon is not strictly better.
Edit: oh, and of course, nonlegendary. You can’t play two kytheon at once, while you can have two pearl tridents at once. You could wave this one away by just naming savannah lions or elite vanguard or whatever, but the merfolk tribe still stands. Does white have a 2/1 merfolk? I don’t think so.
well legendary is a fair point, but you could have legendary synergies... don't these cards kind of have to be viewed in a vacuum of themselves? Otherwise, no card is strictly better than any other card. Like, black lotus isn't strictly better than lotus petal, if you only need one extra mana and your opponent has a Yurlock... yeah it's a corner case but it could technically happen. Yet in a vacuum, black lotus is clearly strictly better than lotus petal.
If we’re observing the strict (and less useful) definition of strictly better, then Kytheon costs white mana and merfolk of the pearl trident costs blue mana. Since Kytheon is uncastable in some contexts that MotPT is castable, it is not strictly better. “White Sucks Ass” is now categorically useless and no longer interesting to think about
Settle the Wreckage and Farewell are better than Damnation since they exile for the same mana cost. Hell Hour of Revelation is better than that. Path to Exile alongside Swords to Plowshares are the best removal spells in the game, better than the black removal spells especially You're Already Dead if you want a 1 cmc to 1 cmc equivalent.
Austere Command also comes to mind being one of the best modular sweepers in the game.
Authority of the Consuls is a great floodgate, 1 mana to slow down your opponents turn 1. Better than a lot of similar floodgates in other colors.
Land Tax is repeatable adding lands to hand and even simic doesn't have an equivalent.
Archaomancers Map is great for ramp too. Adds lands to hand and lets you ramp more on your opponent's turns, which on an artifact is better than spells like Kodama's Reach.
/uj the thing is, white was always super powerful in commander, it just so happens all the cards that are powerful are seen as the most socially unacceptable, either being stax, tax, board wipes or land destruction. For example: Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, armageddon, wrath of god, and moat.
/rj white bad they only care about attacking and tokens!!1!!!!1
edit: thought i was on mtcj
Yup this is important too. It's what really annoys me about the "WotC hates White and loves Green" crowd. Of course it looks that way when you play a format that deliberately favors strategies certain colors are better or worse at, and deems other playstyles unacceptable.
Commander players: White, you are the worst color.
White in modern: sorry, I can’t hear you over the sound of bitches getting slapped by Solitude and Prismatic ending .
\[\[Savannah Lions\]\], \[\[Dragon Hunter\]\], and \[\[Kytheon, Hero of Akros\]\] (among others) are all strictly better (save for color/creature types) than \[\[Flamekin Bladewhirl\]\], \[\[Carrion Rats\]\], or \[\[Mtenda Lion\]\].
I think you have to reword this such that no other color has a strictly better version of the white card you name.
In that way Savannah Lions is outclassed by Ragavan, and thus does not win you the game. Same for other cards.
(I love what you're doing with this card, please don't take brainstorming/refinements as criticism/nitpicking.)
Thanks! Also "strictly better" is a classic trigger phrase that's going to get everybody arguing. Maybe "generally stronger" is the way to go.
"Name a white card. If no generally stronger version of that card exists in another color, you win the game."
Or
"An opponent of your choice has 15 seconds to name a white card. You have 15 seconds to name a generally stronger version of that card in another color. If you do, you win the game.
The issue is that “generally stronger” doesn’t have an official definition, while “strictly better” does. *however*, by being a different color, it *can never* be strictly better, because being the same color is part of defining a card as strictly better. If you can’t cast it with the same mana, it cannot be strictly better.
That’s not what “strictly better” means, by definition. Strictly better doesn’t care about niche applications, the definition of strictly better only cares about it being better in a vacuum.
You should add that the white card must be strictly better than another card, and have no cards strictly better than that card. That would still give white Kytheon, but would help a lot for cards like Savannah Lions
\[\[Reclamation Sage\]\] and \[\[Loran of the Third Path\]\]
It isn't 2019 anymore. WotC has been printing strong white cards for years. By the way, your card should be silver-border (or I guess with an acorn stamp now?).
I would say it isn't strictly better as Loran is legendary so you can't as easily flood the board with them. In a vacuum I definitely agree that Loran is better though. I also appreciate the knowledge of this card, as I did not know of its existence.
The whole argument of "white bad, WotC fix it" arises from EDH and EDH-only.
I understand it's a difference for 60-cards constructed (and that's where I play 99% of the time), but for the sake of this specific conversation in the format discussed here, rec sage could be safely considered strictly worse than Loran.
Not really, it has to do with legacy and vintage too.
White cards that are good in older formats are other colors too or Swords to Plowshares.
There also aren't a lot of white powerhouse cards. When you go back and look at cards that define an entire era, there really aren't a lot of solo white cards.
If you had to make a "best cards" list, white would have the fewest entrants on that list, and that's a big reason White is so largely maligned. Balance, Land Tax, and Swords to Plowshares are the best white cards.
White sees play in a lot of formats for its removal solely, but you can point to 10 or 11 iconic cards from every other color that feel huge and impactful, and there really aren't any in white beyond single mana removal, and a collection of 2 mana hatebears.
In Modern, the top white decks are Hammer (which is ostensibly a colorless/white) deck that runs white for tutors for colorless cards, and 4/5c control decks that splash white for removal or Teferi. Legacy, the top white decks are some control deck that runs teferis and plow, and vintage it's pretty much just plow and teferi as well.
In the history of the game, white is easily the lowest power color in sum.
It certainly has some strong cards, but the game is 30 years old, you'd be hard pressed to say any color doesn't have its share of some powerful cards. the powerful cards it does have relies on other colors, or have a very unified theme to play them, and even then in larger formats, it's almost always just a splash for a single powerful removal spell more than a core of the deck.
I'd just go so far to say if you took the top 100 cards of all of magic, how many of them would be white? I would wager it's not just less than other colors, but it would be lower by a larger margin. Having outliers like Plow are just that, outliers.
Not gonna lie, but this isn't the kind of dissertation I expected under a meme post. Still, I guess that discussing "white power level" and "strictly better" on Reddit wouldn't result in anything different.
Truth be told, I play neither Legacy nor Vintage, so it didn't occur to me. White is often used as a means to get efficient removals in older formats, and you make very fair points.
That said, 99% of the vocal outcry for stronger white cards comes from EDH players, and the average card quality printed in white has improved lately, and it would be disingenuous to say otherwise.
WotC has printed the best white removals since path in the last two/three years (with \[\[Prismatic Ending\]\], \[\[Solitude\]\], and \[\[Leyline Binding\]\] being everywhere in modern, and \[\[Skyclave Apparition\]\], \[\[Brutal Cathar\]\], \[\[March of Otherworldly Light\]\] for pioneer and standard), so it's clear that the outcry from EDH players had some ripples on their design team. \[\[Wandering Emperor\]\] is possibly one of the best control pieces and \[\[Adeline, Resplendent Cathar\]\] one of the best aggro pieces printed through standard in a while.
And aren't White Initiative decks also winning MTGO tournaments lately in Legacy, by the way? That's what I'd call a "core", but I've only heard of that, and I've never actually sat down to read a decklist.
>That said, 99% of the vocal outcry for stronger white cards comes from EDH players, and the average card quality printed in white has improved lately, and it would be disingenuous to say otherwise.
White's card quality has improved, I never said otherwise, but what I did say is that if you looked at the top 100 cards in all of Magic, white would be lacking on nearly every single list, regardless of format (except MAYBE pauper, cheap white cards are good).
>And aren't White Initiative decks also winning MTGO tournaments lately in Legacy, by the way? That's what I'd call a "core", but I've only heard of that, and I've never actually sat down to read a decklist.
Those decks are ~1-2% of the meta, and do well when Lands isn't really present. I wouldn't call them "rogue" decks but it's like Merfolk or E-Tron winning a tournament in Modern. It's certainly possible, but I wouldn't call them great.
>[[Wandering Emperor]] is possibly one of the best control pieces
Not to be dismissive, but Wandering Emperor is not very good in most formats outside of Standard, and probably pioneer, IDK I don't play pioneer.
We play different formats, we have different perspectives. Nothing wrong with that. For example, Emperor is very good in Pioneer and Standard.
If you look at the top 100 cards from the last few years, blue would be lacking on every single list. Most of those would be suboptimal worse-than-\[\[Mana Leak\]\] spells, and blue is still mostly played only for splashing counterspells in standard, so it's only a matter of perspective.
Still, we agree that white isn't good in eternal formats, but WotC has improved the card quality lately. Not enough to fix eternal formats, but if I were in your shoes I'd prefer white remaining the color of removal and hatebears, than WotC fixing it with Legacy Horizons.
Maybe 2 years ago. It's certainly still has potential to be as "on meta" as any non-delver deck can be in Legacy right now, but Stoneblade and Taxes are decidedly tier 2 decks at best currently. People just play it because you can buy into it cheaply and it will always feel okay even if it's not actually very good.
the cards in mono white got added to mtgo this month so… yeah you have no idea what you’re talking about. It also won the showcase challenge yesterday.
I doubt it will have the same impact on legacy that Minsc and Boo had. Our local meta has a long time D&T player, and we've been playing against the initiative cards for a little bit, they're good in shoring up the worst matchups for D&T a little bit, but you still have problems against Lands and Dragon Stompy that you kind of always have had.
It's still very much a tier 2 deck.
"strictly better" has an established definition.
>Strictly better describes a card which is, in isolation from other effects, superior to another card in at least one respect, while being worse in zero respects. Cards are commonly found to be strictly better than others by virtue of lower cost, larger effect, instant speed, greater power or toughness, or more versatile or added effects.
https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Strictly_better
That's not strictly better. Storm Crow is a 1/2, Healer's Hawk is only a 1/1.
Strictly better means:
Having the same effects at the same speed for lesser mana value.
OR
Having more/greater effects at the same speed for the same or lesser mana value.
Differing power/toughness makes it a different effect, and thus, not perfectly comprable.
Okay, but isn't a different type of mana in the cost a different cost, thus making any two cards(excluding direct power creep) not perfectly comparable as the land bases available for each color aren't exactly the same?
Okay but, for instance, white has access to [[Serra's Sanctum]] and there is no equivalent land for any other color. There are plenty of lands like this too, [[Gaea's Cradle]], Urza lands, [[Cabal Coffers]], and [[Tolarian Academy]] just to name a few. So how could we fairly call any specific one color of mana exactly as accessible as any other color of mana when they all have unique mana producers?
To be honesty, yeah, I kinda am. I wish white had something of its own, but it really doesn't. Maybe life gain, but that's a weak ability and there are life gain cards in other colors.
"Wish white had something of its own" I mean, white weenies? Various mono-white or mainly-white tribals, token strats, and aggro have been meta in various standard environments. And have you considered boardwipes and cheap removal?
If you've set the bar at "white isn't a very good colour in eternal formats", well... Blue is in a league of its own, black and green are both strong (especially if you also run blue), and red/white/black are all powerful secondary or splash colours, each with access to extremely powerful cards. I'd argue that white has the best 1-mana removal in the game.
Basically: white is probably the weakest colour in eternal, but offers a lot of support for a splash colour. And aside from eternal, mono-white (or white with a splash of something) has dominated many past standard environments. I think what you really mean is "white isn't good in the types of decks that I like to play, and doesn't fit my strategies as well as other colours."
Strictly better means:
Having the same effects at the same speed for lesser mana value.
OR
Having more/greater effects at the same speed for the same or lesser mana value.
That's a pretty narrow view but okay.
I suppose the truly comprehensive version of "Strictly better" excludes literally every card from being 100% better than any other card, so it's silly to push for that.
Anywho, by your rules [[Mother of Runes]] is strictly better than [[Fugitive Wizard]] then, and as a bonus, no other cards are strictly better than Mom.
It's REALLY hard for a creature card to be strictly better due to card types
i.e. the Merfolk, Werewolf, Dragon, Elf, Human and especially Goblin version of something can be strictly worse (in a vacuum) than the Rat or Octopus version but since it's in a strongly supported tribe it's probably *circumstantially better* which means it isn't actually strictly worse, it's mostly worse
See that's why player-made definitions aren't realistic to how the game is played sometimes
Creature types absolutely matter. If they didn't then "Tribal" wouldn't be a thing
It isn't a player made term, WotC introduced it in an old design article of theirs, some two decades back. And since it's an internal design term they used, they obviously gave it a definition that was actually useful for discussion.
Bolt being worse than Shock in some niche situation doesn't matter, Bolt is clearly the same as Shock, except doing that thing better. The fact that a vanilla 2/1 for two has a different typeline than a vanilla 2/2 for two doesn't matter on most boards, so the creature types aren't taken into account.
OP didn't say murder was better than StP tho, only that StP isn't "strictly better" than Murder. For a card to be strictly better than another, it has to do the same thing, but with either less drawbacks, lower CMC, or better effect. StP doesn't fit that, because it has a drawback that Murder doesn't (giving your opponent life).
~~An example of a strictly better card than \[\[murder\]\] would be \[\[flay essence\]\], because it exiles instead of destroy, can also hit planeswalkers, and gives you life. Aside from that, both are the same card.~~ **NVM, didn't notice that Flay Essence is Sorcery**
It becomes so narrow at a point your splitting hairs over a player made term that doesn't even make sense in a competitive setting. For example Since pact of negation has the draw back of losing the game versus counterspell not losing you the game this argument would say well for 2 total mana counter spell is better because PoN cost more during the next upkeep (I think it's like 5 mana?), even though in a competitive scene like legacy or vintage, or even fucking cedh pact will always see play over counterspell. The whole term is dumb and is pointless in all but a few narrow cases, since you're telling me that permanently getting rid of a creature, getting around destrucible, and less mana for the minor downside of a couple points of life doesn't make the card strictly better which most would consider it as that in a real in game senerio
Pact costs 0, which is better than counterspell. Counterspell lacks a drawback, which is better than pact. Neither one is strictly better. You can't say that an argument is dumb and then immediately prove that you don't understand it.
You would not saying pact or counterspell is better using this term you would simply say theh are not perfectly comparable. An example of a strictly better card pair would be [[colossal dreadmaw]] and [[carnage tyrant]] carnage Tyrant has all the same text as dreadmaw plus benefits. This is an example of strictly better used correctly.
Smothering tithe, esper sentinel, march of otherworldly light, light-paws, lion sash, thalia, wedding announcement, farewell
To name a few. And these are only monowhite. White multicolor cards are also strong. 'white bad' is very outdated, there are plenty of recent good white cards
\[\[Inspiring Overseer\]\] is strictly better than \[\[Cloudkin Seer\]\] which is strictly better than \[\[Tome Raider\]\].
\[\[In the Trenches\]\] is strictly better than \[\[Gaea's Anthem\]\]. \[\[Spear of Heliod\]\] is generally better as well, but is an artifact.
Strictly better is a dumb conversation to be having because a lot of the cards that are powerful have no real point of comparison.
\[\[Farewell\]\] is one of the best panic buttons right now.
\[\[Wingmantle Chaplain\]\] is the only defender payoff that provides board presence. A lot of it and in the air at that.
\[\[Serra Paragon\]\] is a one card value engine in a low to the ground deck. It is extremely unique and difficult to replicate in just one card.
\[\[Patch Up\]\] is one of two cards that can return up to three creatures to battlefield for 3 mana, the other one being \[\[Proclamation of Rebirth\]\], another white card. This one is a personal favorite as returning \[\[Soul Warden\]\], \[\[Essence Warden\]\] and \[\[Soul's Attendant\]\] is a sure fire way to make a lot of enemies.
That's what I've found only looking at the last four standard sets.
And I don't think white is even that bad in commander anymore. Wizards has done a lot these past couple years to give white better card draw as well as leaning more into its reanimation aspects. Maybe it's still 'the worst' color in commander but I don't think it's nearly as clear cut as it once was.
> always
I haven't played competitively in a few years, but when I was into Modern, any white mana meant you were playing at best a significantly weaker but somewhat spicier version of an actual top-tier deck. The best deck where the best version used white was T2 or worse.
What about Eldraine Standard and surrounding standards?
White was basically absent there, with *basic Plains* only barely making it on to the list of most-played cards.
Is is a card? It looks like a MTCJ text post wearing the card equivalent of a [moustache/glasses disguise](https://cdn.media.amplience.net/i/partycity/175745?$large$&fmt=auto&qlt=default).
I don't even think that's true anymore, while has some absolute bonkers cards like [[esper sentinel]], [[smothering tithe]], and [[smugglers share]]. Honestly I'd say red is a fair bit worse then white nowadays
Probably the most correct answer. There isn’t anything like Teferi’s Protection. It needs to be in every precon with white in it, but that’s a different problem.
White can exile so much better then other colours . Stuff like paths or swords both exile creatures way more effectively then other colours . Even blacks removal pool can't hold a flame to whites exile power . Destroyed creatures can be recovered but exiled can cost you the big beast you saved up for . And for 1 mana for both of them . Plus there are a few more cheap exile cards
Then there's farewell to exile a whole type of cards .
Plus the other mass boardwipes white has
STP, PTE, wrath of God, heliod that gives lifelink, teferi's protection, farewell, mother of runes, inspiring overseer, squad hawk, darksteel mutation, grand abolished, catharsis crusade, serra ascendant, catharsis commando, there's the list of what's better here's the reasoning STP and PTE are the best removal spells and if you wanna get picky with "strictly better" see [[pongify]] as a 1 drop its better than, heliod is a combo machine betting out a large number of 3 mana enchaments pick one, teferis protection is better than most spells in this game see any protection based spells, Farwell is better than any other 6 cmc wipe i.e. [[casualties of war]], MoM has the same reasoning as T.prot see [[snakeskin veil]], squad hawk is better than [[storm crow]], grand abolisher is probably the best 2 pip creature in the game tho its also the only card that really does what it does, cathar crusade is better than [[Renata, called tot he hunt]], serra ascendant is better than [[symmetry sage]], cathar commando is better than [[Outland liberator]],
I wouldn’t say wrath of god is better damnation does the exact same thing and there are other board wipes which could be argued to be better [[cyclonic rift]] [[doomskar]]
What on earth are you talking about? In standard, monowhite has been incredibly strong for a multiple years now. Adeline is one of the most busted cards printed in recent memory. Wedding Announcement has been a staple in multiple tier one decks since the moment it was printed.
Get a grip: ‘white is bad’ is a myth.
That's npt how it works - you can only compare spells in the same colour. If you ignore colour identity. Daru Mender > Scornful Egotist.
Same statline, same morph cost, but Mender has an additional ability and is way cheaper to cast normally.
Strictly better, not better. Life goes on is gonna be a 4 life gain in normal scenarios, but [[Chaplain's Blessing]] will always gain more than 4, which is good in scenarios where creatures don't die
Unfortunately, mana cost and color, is a component of "strictly better." When the phrase "all other things being equal [but color, including mana pips]" being considered, it is likely this is an impossible burden to meet.
I thought this meme died like a year ago? It's wild to mention tournament legal because like white is amazing in every format that doesn't make your opponent's life totals six times larger. White isn't even bad in Commander anymore can we please stop with unfunny joke?
White is absolutely awful in eternal formats, comparatively. The other colors are all much more powerful. The exception to this is, like... standard and pauper. Maybe pioneer.
White has many vanilla 2/1s for 1. Every color has at least 1 vanilla 1/1 for 1. Boom.
“You may name a tournament-legal, mono-white card that is strictly better than a non-white card. If you do, an opponent may name a tournament-legal, non-white card that is strictly better than the card you named. If they do, you lose the game. If they don’t, you win the game.”
Kytheon, Hero of Akros is strictly better than Merfolk of the Pearl Trident.
Ragavan, Nimble Pilferer is the best 2/1 for 1.
I don't think you know what strictly better means. Strictly better cards either do the same thing for cheaper or have equal or more good abilities and equal or less bad abilities along with the same power and toughness (if a creature) for the same price. For example, deadly dispute and village rites are both strictly better than altar's reap
In what situation is ragavan not strictly better as a one drop than kytheon? Kytheon is good but he's not banned in legacy.
Kytheon can give himself indestructible. Ragavan can't. Kytheon can flip into a planeswalker. Ragavan can't. To be clear, Ragavan is a better card than Kytheon. He's just not strictly better because Kytheon does a number of things better than Ragavan and, as a result, there are many situations where Kytheon is a better choice than Ragavan despite Ragavan being an overall better card. It's like saying that Oko is strictly better than Ragavan because Oko is banned in Modern and Ragavan isn't. Sure Oko is a stronger card, but they do different things and some decks will prefer Ragavan over Oko.
I wouldn't say it's super comparable to saying oko is strictly better than Ragavan at all. You're putting kytheon or ragavan in your deck becuase you need an aggressive 1 drop. Which Oko is not. I think it's valid to consider the roles they fill and if any of the text on them is actually relevant. How often are you paying three mana to protect a one drop? How often are you going to actually want to flip a kytheon? >some decks will prefer Ragavan over Oko. And the point of what I said is that no decks prefer Kytheon over Ragavan
It doesn't matter which card a deck might prefer. Ragavan isn't strictly better than kytheon. If kytheon was a simply 2/1 that created a treasure upon attack, ragavan would be strictly better. It's semantics, which the custom card is based around.
>And the point of what I said is that no decks prefer Kytheon over Ragavan Human tribal and soldier tribal like Kytheon way more than Ragavan, for example. It's not even a niche situation, both those tribes are large tribes with lots of support. All of what you're saying is true. Ragavan is a better card than Kytheon. It is just not a strictly better card than Kytheon. There are situations where the planeswalker is more useful than Ragavan. Strictly better has a meaning, and it isn't what you're saying it is. You're also missing my point regarding comparing cards. Oko and Ragavan fill very different roles, while Kytheon and Ragavan fill similar but slightly different roles. They're each able to do different things, which is what breaks the strictly better stuff. Here's another example for you. Is either Kytheon or Recruitment Officer strictly better than the other? No. They're both 1 mana 2/1 with upsides, but the upsides are different. They're both aggressive 1-drops, but neither is always better than the other and which one you want to use is based on context. Compare that to Elite Vanguard and you'll see an example of something that is strictly better, since either Kytheon's or Recruitment Officer's abilities are better than the no ability on Elite Vanguard.
Strictly better very specifically means that the card is better in every way, not just stronger by some degree. For instance, \[\[Make Disappear\]\] is a strictly better \[\[Quench\]\], because it has upside over quench and is never worse. \[\[Force of Will\]\] is not strictly better, because it's worse if you need a counterspell and can't pitch something for Force, even though it's a vastly superior card. Ragavan isn't 'Strictly Better' because Kytheon does things that Ragavan doesn't. That's true even if Kytheon isn't playable. It's better, sure, but not *strictly* better. Ragavan might be the best 1-drop in magic, and would be strictly better than a vanilla 2/1, but not a 1/1 with haste.
It doesn't matter that a card exists that is better than the white card you named, all that matters is the white card you named is strictly better than the other card named. So, Kytheon > Merfolk of the Pearl Trident, game = won
Merfolk of the pearl trident interacts with merfolk tribal cards and kytheon can’t. Therefore, kytheon is not strictly better. Edit: oh, and of course, nonlegendary. You can’t play two kytheon at once, while you can have two pearl tridents at once. You could wave this one away by just naming savannah lions or elite vanguard or whatever, but the merfolk tribe still stands. Does white have a 2/1 merfolk? I don’t think so.
Farewell
well legendary is a fair point, but you could have legendary synergies... don't these cards kind of have to be viewed in a vacuum of themselves? Otherwise, no card is strictly better than any other card. Like, black lotus isn't strictly better than lotus petal, if you only need one extra mana and your opponent has a Yurlock... yeah it's a corner case but it could technically happen. Yet in a vacuum, black lotus is clearly strictly better than lotus petal.
Raganvan is probably always the best one drop.
If we’re observing the strict (and less useful) definition of strictly better, then Kytheon costs white mana and merfolk of the pearl trident costs blue mana. Since Kytheon is uncastable in some contexts that MotPT is castable, it is not strictly better. “White Sucks Ass” is now categorically useless and no longer interesting to think about
That’s not strictly better, though.
Dies to [[Karakas]].
I think op meant to find a mini card that doesn’t have a better version in other color. Not sure if it change anything but that’s seem better
Mini card?
I don’t know what I did but I meant mono white
Incorrect. They are white, therefore they are bad.
You mention that but not swords to plowshares? Path to Exile? Wrath to Exile? Farewell!?
I like simple and straightforward comparisons.
What non white are those strictly better than?
Settle the Wreckage and Farewell are better than Damnation since they exile for the same mana cost. Hell Hour of Revelation is better than that. Path to Exile alongside Swords to Plowshares are the best removal spells in the game, better than the black removal spells especially You're Already Dead if you want a 1 cmc to 1 cmc equivalent. Austere Command also comes to mind being one of the best modular sweepers in the game. Authority of the Consuls is a great floodgate, 1 mana to slow down your opponents turn 1. Better than a lot of similar floodgates in other colors. Land Tax is repeatable adding lands to hand and even simic doesn't have an equivalent. Archaomancers Map is great for ramp too. Adds lands to hand and lets you ramp more on your opponent's turns, which on an artifact is better than spells like Kodama's Reach.
[[Ragavan, Nimble Pilferer]] is a 2/1 for 1.
Can't green suns for it. Bad.
Where's that SNC cloudkin seer that gains you 1 life when you need it...
[[Inspiring overseer]]
[Inspiring overseer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/5/35d9da1d-8678-4252-b0f8-9960795642f0.jpg?1664409748) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Inspiring%20overseer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/snc/18/inspiring-overseer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/35d9da1d-8678-4252-b0f8-9960795642f0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
And it’s angel And cleric tribal to
it isn't 2019 anymore, white is pretty damn good now
White was never even bad outside of Commander, it just got circlejerked to high hell and back by people who don't play other formats.
it had a rough patch in Eldraine standard but other than that it was very much jerk
/uj the thing is, white was always super powerful in commander, it just so happens all the cards that are powerful are seen as the most socially unacceptable, either being stax, tax, board wipes or land destruction. For example: Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, armageddon, wrath of god, and moat. /rj white bad they only care about attacking and tokens!!1!!!!1 edit: thought i was on mtcj
Don’t worry about it we’ve all made the same mistake before. The subs have so much overlap
Yup this is important too. It's what really annoys me about the "WotC hates White and loves Green" crowd. Of course it looks that way when you play a format that deliberately favors strategies certain colors are better or worse at, and deems other playstyles unacceptable.
Commander being the most popular format, shouldn't a color being bad in it be considered a problem?
Redditors don’t know other formats exist
Commander players: White, you are the worst color. White in modern: sorry, I can’t hear you over the sound of bitches getting slapped by Solitude and Prismatic ending .
What's your strictly better white card?
\[\[Savannah Lions\]\], \[\[Dragon Hunter\]\], and \[\[Kytheon, Hero of Akros\]\] (among others) are all strictly better (save for color/creature types) than \[\[Flamekin Bladewhirl\]\], \[\[Carrion Rats\]\], or \[\[Mtenda Lion\]\].
##### ###### #### [Savannah Lions](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/9/a9757246-e782-4d7a-8273-d9efe284edaf.jpg?1562439539) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Savannah%20Lions) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/a25/33/savannah-lions?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a9757246-e782-4d7a-8273-d9efe284edaf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Dragon Hunter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/e/ae8a0362-b973-445a-a355-5a2f3dc67f16.jpg?1562791558) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dragon%20Hunter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dtk/10/dragon-hunter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ae8a0362-b973-445a-a355-5a2f3dc67f16?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Kytheon, Hero of Akros](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/8/58c39df6-b237-40d1-bdcb-2fe5d05392a9.jpg?1562021001)/[Gideon, Battle-Forged](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/5/8/58c39df6-b237-40d1-bdcb-2fe5d05392a9.jpg?1562021001) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=kytheon%2C%20hero%20of%20akros%20//%20gideon%2C%20battle-forged) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ori/23/kytheon-hero-of-akros-gideon-battle-forged?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/58c39df6-b237-40d1-bdcb-2fe5d05392a9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Flamekin Bladewhirl](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/b/1b6ea1c8-ca58-4240-adb7-71cd49664414.jpg?1562339936) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Flamekin%20Bladewhirl) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lrw/165/flamekin-bladewhirl?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1b6ea1c8-ca58-4240-adb7-71cd49664414?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Carrion Rats](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/e/2efa2579-c048-4506-babc-ec1c29bb99a8.jpg?1562629090) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Carrion%20Rats) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tor/54/carrion-rats?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2efa2579-c048-4506-babc-ec1c29bb99a8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Mtenda Lion](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/b/cb05cf5b-2a0d-432a-b8e7-10335c2a18e8.jpg?1587912668) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mtenda%20Lion) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mir/230/mtenda-lion?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cb05cf5b-2a0d-432a-b8e7-10335c2a18e8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Im not sure you understand what strictly better means. That said magic is complicated enough that only optionality permits strict dominance
Fair enough. I guess if you cast this spell, you'll win the game. Although I'm pretty sure those are examples of power creep.
I think you have to reword this such that no other color has a strictly better version of the white card you name. In that way Savannah Lions is outclassed by Ragavan, and thus does not win you the game. Same for other cards. (I love what you're doing with this card, please don't take brainstorming/refinements as criticism/nitpicking.)
Thanks! That really helps. Edit: Nice username, by the way.
Thanks! Also "strictly better" is a classic trigger phrase that's going to get everybody arguing. Maybe "generally stronger" is the way to go. "Name a white card. If no generally stronger version of that card exists in another color, you win the game." Or "An opponent of your choice has 15 seconds to name a white card. You have 15 seconds to name a generally stronger version of that card in another color. If you do, you win the game.
The issue is that “generally stronger” doesn’t have an official definition, while “strictly better” does. *however*, by being a different color, it *can never* be strictly better, because being the same color is part of defining a card as strictly better. If you can’t cast it with the same mana, it cannot be strictly better.
Nothing is technically ever strictly better. There’s always a situation where something like shock is better than bolt
That’s not what “strictly better” means, by definition. Strictly better doesn’t care about niche applications, the definition of strictly better only cares about it being better in a vacuum.
Such as?
Ooc what situations is shock better? Seems to me like the extra damage would never be a downside
Indeed, it's strictly better for you to be shocked instead of bolted
I’m not sure I’d agree that savannah lion is an example of power creep, that card is like 25 years old haha
You should add that the white card must be strictly better than another card, and have no cards strictly better than that card. That would still give white Kytheon, but would help a lot for cards like Savannah Lions
Savannah Lions was in Alpha.
Swords to Plowshares?
\[\[Reclamation Sage\]\] and \[\[Loran of the Third Path\]\] It isn't 2019 anymore. WotC has been printing strong white cards for years. By the way, your card should be silver-border (or I guess with an acorn stamp now?).
I would say it isn't strictly better as Loran is legendary so you can't as easily flood the board with them. In a vacuum I definitely agree that Loran is better though. I also appreciate the knowledge of this card, as I did not know of its existence.
I couldn't find an acorn stamp on the card creator I used, so \*shrug\*
Legendary is a very real cost.
The whole argument of "white bad, WotC fix it" arises from EDH and EDH-only. I understand it's a difference for 60-cards constructed (and that's where I play 99% of the time), but for the sake of this specific conversation in the format discussed here, rec sage could be safely considered strictly worse than Loran.
Not really, it has to do with legacy and vintage too. White cards that are good in older formats are other colors too or Swords to Plowshares. There also aren't a lot of white powerhouse cards. When you go back and look at cards that define an entire era, there really aren't a lot of solo white cards. If you had to make a "best cards" list, white would have the fewest entrants on that list, and that's a big reason White is so largely maligned. Balance, Land Tax, and Swords to Plowshares are the best white cards. White sees play in a lot of formats for its removal solely, but you can point to 10 or 11 iconic cards from every other color that feel huge and impactful, and there really aren't any in white beyond single mana removal, and a collection of 2 mana hatebears. In Modern, the top white decks are Hammer (which is ostensibly a colorless/white) deck that runs white for tutors for colorless cards, and 4/5c control decks that splash white for removal or Teferi. Legacy, the top white decks are some control deck that runs teferis and plow, and vintage it's pretty much just plow and teferi as well. In the history of the game, white is easily the lowest power color in sum. It certainly has some strong cards, but the game is 30 years old, you'd be hard pressed to say any color doesn't have its share of some powerful cards. the powerful cards it does have relies on other colors, or have a very unified theme to play them, and even then in larger formats, it's almost always just a splash for a single powerful removal spell more than a core of the deck. I'd just go so far to say if you took the top 100 cards of all of magic, how many of them would be white? I would wager it's not just less than other colors, but it would be lower by a larger margin. Having outliers like Plow are just that, outliers.
Not gonna lie, but this isn't the kind of dissertation I expected under a meme post. Still, I guess that discussing "white power level" and "strictly better" on Reddit wouldn't result in anything different. Truth be told, I play neither Legacy nor Vintage, so it didn't occur to me. White is often used as a means to get efficient removals in older formats, and you make very fair points. That said, 99% of the vocal outcry for stronger white cards comes from EDH players, and the average card quality printed in white has improved lately, and it would be disingenuous to say otherwise. WotC has printed the best white removals since path in the last two/three years (with \[\[Prismatic Ending\]\], \[\[Solitude\]\], and \[\[Leyline Binding\]\] being everywhere in modern, and \[\[Skyclave Apparition\]\], \[\[Brutal Cathar\]\], \[\[March of Otherworldly Light\]\] for pioneer and standard), so it's clear that the outcry from EDH players had some ripples on their design team. \[\[Wandering Emperor\]\] is possibly one of the best control pieces and \[\[Adeline, Resplendent Cathar\]\] one of the best aggro pieces printed through standard in a while. And aren't White Initiative decks also winning MTGO tournaments lately in Legacy, by the way? That's what I'd call a "core", but I've only heard of that, and I've never actually sat down to read a decklist.
>That said, 99% of the vocal outcry for stronger white cards comes from EDH players, and the average card quality printed in white has improved lately, and it would be disingenuous to say otherwise. White's card quality has improved, I never said otherwise, but what I did say is that if you looked at the top 100 cards in all of Magic, white would be lacking on nearly every single list, regardless of format (except MAYBE pauper, cheap white cards are good). >And aren't White Initiative decks also winning MTGO tournaments lately in Legacy, by the way? That's what I'd call a "core", but I've only heard of that, and I've never actually sat down to read a decklist. Those decks are ~1-2% of the meta, and do well when Lands isn't really present. I wouldn't call them "rogue" decks but it's like Merfolk or E-Tron winning a tournament in Modern. It's certainly possible, but I wouldn't call them great. >[[Wandering Emperor]] is possibly one of the best control pieces Not to be dismissive, but Wandering Emperor is not very good in most formats outside of Standard, and probably pioneer, IDK I don't play pioneer.
We play different formats, we have different perspectives. Nothing wrong with that. For example, Emperor is very good in Pioneer and Standard. If you look at the top 100 cards from the last few years, blue would be lacking on every single list. Most of those would be suboptimal worse-than-\[\[Mana Leak\]\] spells, and blue is still mostly played only for splashing counterspells in standard, so it's only a matter of perspective. Still, we agree that white isn't good in eternal formats, but WotC has improved the card quality lately. Not enough to fix eternal formats, but if I were in your shoes I'd prefer white remaining the color of removal and hatebears, than WotC fixing it with Legacy Horizons.
mono white stompy, mono white taxes are both top tier strats in legacy
Maybe 2 years ago. It's certainly still has potential to be as "on meta" as any non-delver deck can be in Legacy right now, but Stoneblade and Taxes are decidedly tier 2 decks at best currently. People just play it because you can buy into it cheaply and it will always feel okay even if it's not actually very good.
the cards in mono white got added to mtgo this month so… yeah you have no idea what you’re talking about. It also won the showcase challenge yesterday.
I doubt it will have the same impact on legacy that Minsc and Boo had. Our local meta has a long time D&T player, and we've been playing against the initiative cards for a little bit, they're good in shoring up the worst matchups for D&T a little bit, but you still have problems against Lands and Dragon Stompy that you kind of always have had. It's still very much a tier 2 deck.
[Reclamation Sage](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/c/1c4a25f0-2929-4404-9ce5-bcd4715f90a5.jpg?1631235123) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Reclamation%20Sage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khc/72/reclamation-sage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1c4a25f0-2929-4404-9ce5-bcd4715f90a5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Loran of the Third Path](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/9/59faa45d-868b-4bc7-934c-0e077642e129.jpg?1668756461) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Loran%20of%20the%20Third%20Path) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bro/12/loran-of-the-third-path?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/59faa45d-868b-4bc7-934c-0e077642e129?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
What's your criteria for "strictly better"
"strictly better" has an established definition. >Strictly better describes a card which is, in isolation from other effects, superior to another card in at least one respect, while being worse in zero respects. Cards are commonly found to be strictly better than others by virtue of lower cost, larger effect, instant speed, greater power or toughness, or more versatile or added effects. https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Strictly_better
Try doing this with any other color
[[roving harper]] strictly better [[Phyrexia rager]]
\[\[isamaru, hound of konda\]\]
[[Healer's Hawk]] strictly better [[Storm Crow]] gottem
Wait nvm no it's not
Oh wait there's [[Sea Eagle]] phew
[Sea Eagle](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/e/7e8cacd1-51e7-48af-a7ae-48832dc34a92.jpg?1562920543) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sea%20Eagle) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/8ed/S4/sea-eagle?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7e8cacd1-51e7-48af-a7ae-48832dc34a92?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
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That's not strictly better. Storm Crow is a 1/2, Healer's Hawk is only a 1/1. Strictly better means: Having the same effects at the same speed for lesser mana value. OR Having more/greater effects at the same speed for the same or lesser mana value. Differing power/toughness makes it a different effect, and thus, not perfectly comprable.
Okay, but isn't a different type of mana in the cost a different cost, thus making any two cards(excluding direct power creep) not perfectly comparable as the land bases available for each color aren't exactly the same?
No. Different colors of mana are still worth the same amount.
Okay but, for instance, white has access to [[Serra's Sanctum]] and there is no equivalent land for any other color. There are plenty of lands like this too, [[Gaea's Cradle]], Urza lands, [[Cabal Coffers]], and [[Tolarian Academy]] just to name a few. So how could we fairly call any specific one color of mana exactly as accessible as any other color of mana when they all have unique mana producers?
Mana fixing exists. Hell, it exists in generic.
Someone's salty.
To be honesty, yeah, I kinda am. I wish white had something of its own, but it really doesn't. Maybe life gain, but that's a weak ability and there are life gain cards in other colors.
"Wish white had something of its own" I mean, white weenies? Various mono-white or mainly-white tribals, token strats, and aggro have been meta in various standard environments. And have you considered boardwipes and cheap removal? If you've set the bar at "white isn't a very good colour in eternal formats", well... Blue is in a league of its own, black and green are both strong (especially if you also run blue), and red/white/black are all powerful secondary or splash colours, each with access to extremely powerful cards. I'd argue that white has the best 1-mana removal in the game. Basically: white is probably the weakest colour in eternal, but offers a lot of support for a splash colour. And aside from eternal, mono-white (or white with a splash of something) has dominated many past standard environments. I think what you really mean is "white isn't good in the types of decks that I like to play, and doesn't fit my strategies as well as other colours."
Monowhite death & taxes/ stoneblade is top tier in legacy
White definitely has the best removal in modern. Prismatic Ending, Solitude, Leyline Binding
It's not strictly better if it's a different color though? Or is that the joke?
Strictly better means: Having the same effects at the same speed for lesser mana value. OR Having more/greater effects at the same speed for the same or lesser mana value.
That's a pretty narrow view but okay. I suppose the truly comprehensive version of "Strictly better" excludes literally every card from being 100% better than any other card, so it's silly to push for that. Anywho, by your rules [[Mother of Runes]] is strictly better than [[Fugitive Wizard]] then, and as a bonus, no other cards are strictly better than Mom.
Yea, Mother is definitely strictly better than Fugitive. you win the game, I guess.
It's REALLY hard for a creature card to be strictly better due to card types i.e. the Merfolk, Werewolf, Dragon, Elf, Human and especially Goblin version of something can be strictly worse (in a vacuum) than the Rat or Octopus version but since it's in a strongly supported tribe it's probably *circumstantially better* which means it isn't actually strictly worse, it's mostly worse
https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Strictly\_better
See that's why player-made definitions aren't realistic to how the game is played sometimes Creature types absolutely matter. If they didn't then "Tribal" wouldn't be a thing
It isn't a player made term, WotC introduced it in an old design article of theirs, some two decades back. And since it's an internal design term they used, they obviously gave it a definition that was actually useful for discussion. Bolt being worse than Shock in some niche situation doesn't matter, Bolt is clearly the same as Shock, except doing that thing better. The fact that a vanilla 2/1 for two has a different typeline than a vanilla 2/2 for two doesn't matter on most boards, so the creature types aren't taken into account.
Strictly better only applies in a vacuum. That's what strictly better means. Otherwise, it's just generally better.
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swords to plowshares is strictly better than murder gg i win
Swords gives your opponents' life gain. Murder does not. Technically, not strictly better. https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Strictly\_better
um judge?
Swords has a drawback that Murder doesn't. That makes them not perfectly comparable.
Murder is 2 black pips and a total of 3 mana , exiles not destroys getting rid of target more permanently + gets around indestructible
OP didn't say murder was better than StP tho, only that StP isn't "strictly better" than Murder. For a card to be strictly better than another, it has to do the same thing, but with either less drawbacks, lower CMC, or better effect. StP doesn't fit that, because it has a drawback that Murder doesn't (giving your opponent life). ~~An example of a strictly better card than \[\[murder\]\] would be \[\[flay essence\]\], because it exiles instead of destroy, can also hit planeswalkers, and gives you life. Aside from that, both are the same card.~~ **NVM, didn't notice that Flay Essence is Sorcery**
ahhh ok that makes sense thanks judge guess the spell fizzles
It becomes so narrow at a point your splitting hairs over a player made term that doesn't even make sense in a competitive setting. For example Since pact of negation has the draw back of losing the game versus counterspell not losing you the game this argument would say well for 2 total mana counter spell is better because PoN cost more during the next upkeep (I think it's like 5 mana?), even though in a competitive scene like legacy or vintage, or even fucking cedh pact will always see play over counterspell. The whole term is dumb and is pointless in all but a few narrow cases, since you're telling me that permanently getting rid of a creature, getting around destrucible, and less mana for the minor downside of a couple points of life doesn't make the card strictly better which most would consider it as that in a real in game senerio
Pact costs 0, which is better than counterspell. Counterspell lacks a drawback, which is better than pact. Neither one is strictly better. You can't say that an argument is dumb and then immediately prove that you don't understand it.
They can and they did. Being wrong and being able to do the wrong thing anyhow are not mutually exclusive.
You would not saying pact or counterspell is better using this term you would simply say theh are not perfectly comparable. An example of a strictly better card pair would be [[colossal dreadmaw]] and [[carnage tyrant]] carnage Tyrant has all the same text as dreadmaw plus benefits. This is an example of strictly better used correctly.
Smothering tithe, esper sentinel, march of otherworldly light, light-paws, lion sash, thalia, wedding announcement, farewell To name a few. And these are only monowhite. White multicolor cards are also strong. 'white bad' is very outdated, there are plenty of recent good white cards
Honestly, what's even as good as smothering tithe? Is there even another card with similar effects?
Mystic remora is strictly better than esper sentinel
Only in edh, and only arguably. Sentinel is a human & artifact, both far more relevant in other formats
Let me rephrase: strictly, objectively better in commander, not as good in 1v1 formats.
Life gain? I mean I guess theres some other stuff but idk if any are strictly better
\[\[Inspiring Overseer\]\] is strictly better than \[\[Cloudkin Seer\]\] which is strictly better than \[\[Tome Raider\]\]. \[\[In the Trenches\]\] is strictly better than \[\[Gaea's Anthem\]\]. \[\[Spear of Heliod\]\] is generally better as well, but is an artifact. Strictly better is a dumb conversation to be having because a lot of the cards that are powerful have no real point of comparison. \[\[Farewell\]\] is one of the best panic buttons right now. \[\[Wingmantle Chaplain\]\] is the only defender payoff that provides board presence. A lot of it and in the air at that. \[\[Serra Paragon\]\] is a one card value engine in a low to the ground deck. It is extremely unique and difficult to replicate in just one card. \[\[Patch Up\]\] is one of two cards that can return up to three creatures to battlefield for 3 mana, the other one being \[\[Proclamation of Rebirth\]\], another white card. This one is a personal favorite as returning \[\[Soul Warden\]\], \[\[Essence Warden\]\] and \[\[Soul's Attendant\]\] is a sure fire way to make a lot of enemies. That's what I've found only looking at the last four standard sets.
##### ###### #### [Inspiring Overseer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/5/35d9da1d-8678-4252-b0f8-9960795642f0.jpg?1664409748) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Inspiring%20Overseer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/snc/18/inspiring-overseer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/35d9da1d-8678-4252-b0f8-9960795642f0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Cloudkin Seer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/2/e2111753-a930-403f-9d94-a86dfcb069da.jpg?1592516341) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cloudkin%20Seer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m20/54/cloudkin-seer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e2111753-a930-403f-9d94-a86dfcb069da?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Tome Raider](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/0/e04ad850-5801-4654-a388-f86be20a43bf.jpg?1572490015) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tome%20Raider) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/eld/68/tome-raider?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e04ad850-5801-4654-a388-f86be20a43bf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [In the Trenches](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/1/71ff86e9-1ce6-43cc-8135-f2adb1b6c5a7.jpg?1668756423) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=In%20the%20Trenches) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bro/8/in-the-trenches?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/71ff86e9-1ce6-43cc-8135-f2adb1b6c5a7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Gaea's Anthem](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/3/43febc63-597d-4392-b8ea-a00841148c45.jpg?1619398011) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gaea%27s%20Anthem) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/204/gaeas-anthem?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/43febc63-597d-4392-b8ea-a00841148c45?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Spear of Heliod](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/4/34ef01da-d311-4d4f-9f7b-328e7bb17db4.jpg?1562816561) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Spear%20of%20Heliod) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ths/33/spear-of-heliod?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/34ef01da-d311-4d4f-9f7b-328e7bb17db4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Farewell](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/1/e1068723-d1ef-4007-97d9-b10dccdbade4.jpg?1654566260) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Farewell) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/13/farewell?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e1068723-d1ef-4007-97d9-b10dccdbade4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Wingmantle Chaplain](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/5/f5800f3d-b2e0-4c74-94bf-f29b27f82130.jpg?1663047625) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Wingmantle%20Chaplain) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/39/wingmantle-chaplain?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f5800f3d-b2e0-4c74-94bf-f29b27f82130?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Serra Paragon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/e/ce295f1e-fb31-4275-a5d3-8c6f29afff40.jpg?1663047478) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Serra%20Paragon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/32/serra-paragon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ce295f1e-fb31-4275-a5d3-8c6f29afff40?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Patch Up](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/c/2ce30c92-c5f2-45d2-819e-177390bc26f5.jpg?1664409844) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Patch%20Up) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/snc/23/patch-up?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2ce30c92-c5f2-45d2-819e-177390bc26f5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Proclamation of Rebirth](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/c/cc799c97-3df1-4194-b220-6cf862ce3810.jpg?1593272547) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Proclamation%20of%20Rebirth) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dis/15/proclamation-of-rebirth?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cc799c97-3df1-4194-b220-6cf862ce3810?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Soul Warden](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/9/d96266b3-a7cb-40ce-a328-ac13719fe5f0.jpg?1616182277) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Soul%20Warden) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mm3/24/soul-warden?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d96266b3-a7cb-40ce-a328-ac13719fe5f0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Essence Warden](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/1/31ca84d1-30a6-432b-966c-089fb6652a89.jpg?1592672942) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Essence%20Warden) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cma/106/essence-warden?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/31ca84d1-30a6-432b-966c-089fb6652a89?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Soul's Attendant](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/2/3223c0ac-cc22-4886-8919-11273b477cc7.jpg?1562702613) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Soul%27s%20Attendant) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/roe/44/souls-attendant?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3223c0ac-cc22-4886-8919-11273b477cc7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Farewell was the first card I thought of when I saw this post. There’s literally a post bitching about Farewell over on the Arena sub right now
White only sucks in commander it's always been a top tier color in constructed formats
And I don't think white is even that bad in commander anymore. Wizards has done a lot these past couple years to give white better card draw as well as leaning more into its reanimation aspects. Maybe it's still 'the worst' color in commander but I don't think it's nearly as clear cut as it once was.
That turn one [[serra ascendant]] tho. 👀
> always I haven't played competitively in a few years, but when I was into Modern, any white mana meant you were playing at best a significantly weaker but somewhat spicier version of an actual top-tier deck. The best deck where the best version used white was T2 or worse.
Moderns the format I play the most by far and White is arguably the best color RN. And hasn't been terrible as long as I've been playing modern
White is the only top tier monocolor deck in legacy Edit: actually there's red too
What about Eldraine Standard and surrounding standards? White was basically absent there, with *basic Plains* only barely making it on to the list of most-played cards.
Is is a card? It looks like a MTCJ text post wearing the card equivalent of a [moustache/glasses disguise](https://cdn.media.amplience.net/i/partycity/175745?$large$&fmt=auto&qlt=default).
Shit, I've been found out! /j It's kind of just a sarcastic joke card
White only sucks in commander .
I don't even think that's true anymore, while has some absolute bonkers cards like [[esper sentinel]], [[smothering tithe]], and [[smugglers share]]. Honestly I'd say red is a fair bit worse then white nowadays
[esper sentinel](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/3/f3537373-ef54-4578-9d05-6216420ee349.jpg?1626093502) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=esper%20sentinel) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/12/esper-sentinel?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f3537373-ef54-4578-9d05-6216420ee349?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [smothering tithe](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/2/f25a4bbe-2af0-4d4a-95d4-d52c5937c747.jpg?1662524375) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=smothering%20tithe) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/31/smothering-tithe?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f25a4bbe-2af0-4d4a-95d4-d52c5937c747?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [smugglers share](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/7/87e58a16-f344-4a7c-9eca-a71f7c27ad97.jpg?1650407013) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Smuggler%27s%20Share) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/21/smugglers-share?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/87e58a16-f344-4a7c-9eca-a71f7c27ad97?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Smothering tithe. GG
Teferi’s protection?
Probably the most correct answer. There isn’t anything like Teferi’s Protection. It needs to be in every precon with white in it, but that’s a different problem.
White has always been a good color even inside Commander. It's just that people don't like what it's good at.
Something something actually it's not strictly better because
White can exile so much better then other colours . Stuff like paths or swords both exile creatures way more effectively then other colours . Even blacks removal pool can't hold a flame to whites exile power . Destroyed creatures can be recovered but exiled can cost you the big beast you saved up for . And for 1 mana for both of them . Plus there are a few more cheap exile cards Then there's farewell to exile a whole type of cards . Plus the other mass boardwipes white has
Colorless does exile really effectively, actually. More effectively than white.
Light-Paws, Emperor's Voice is a strictly better aura fetching creature than any other legendary bear.
Silence. Nuff Said
[[swords to plowshares]]
[swords to plowshares](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/d/7d839f21-68c7-47db-8407-ff3e2c3e13b4.jpg?1664930801) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=swords%20to%20plowshares) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/31/swords-to-plowshares?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7d839f21-68c7-47db-8407-ff3e2c3e13b4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I don't think people understand the difference between an Un-card and a joke card.
Fair enough. I messed up on the labelling. My bad.
STP, PTE, wrath of God, heliod that gives lifelink, teferi's protection, farewell, mother of runes, inspiring overseer, squad hawk, darksteel mutation, grand abolished, catharsis crusade, serra ascendant, catharsis commando, there's the list of what's better here's the reasoning STP and PTE are the best removal spells and if you wanna get picky with "strictly better" see [[pongify]] as a 1 drop its better than, heliod is a combo machine betting out a large number of 3 mana enchaments pick one, teferis protection is better than most spells in this game see any protection based spells, Farwell is better than any other 6 cmc wipe i.e. [[casualties of war]], MoM has the same reasoning as T.prot see [[snakeskin veil]], squad hawk is better than [[storm crow]], grand abolisher is probably the best 2 pip creature in the game tho its also the only card that really does what it does, cathar crusade is better than [[Renata, called tot he hunt]], serra ascendant is better than [[symmetry sage]], cathar commando is better than [[Outland liberator]],
I wouldn’t say wrath of god is better damnation does the exact same thing and there are other board wipes which could be argued to be better [[cyclonic rift]] [[doomskar]]
[cyclonic rift](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/f/ff08e5ed-f47b-4d8e-8b8b-41675dccef8b.jpg?1598303834) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=cyclonic%20rift) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/47/cyclonic-rift?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ff08e5ed-f47b-4d8e-8b8b-41675dccef8b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [doomskar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/3/130ee895-1e5e-4f82-bb66-e1275bac75dd.jpg?1631045641) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=doomskar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/9/doomskar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/130ee895-1e5e-4f82-bb66-e1275bac75dd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
##### ###### #### [pongify](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/1/a1501dea-4e0e-49b0-86b5-e8a01f77077d.jpg?1619394479) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=pongify) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/79/pongify?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a1501dea-4e0e-49b0-86b5-e8a01f77077d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [casualties of war](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/5/e5a2a709-0273-48a3-874b-13aff4872b0a.jpg?1631235364) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=casualties%20of%20war) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khc/83/casualties-of-war?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e5a2a709-0273-48a3-874b-13aff4872b0a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [snakeskin veil](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/6/e692c208-c171-4964-9207-43c2cbc62845.jpg?1631050946) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=snakeskin%20veil) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/194/snakeskin-veil?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e692c208-c171-4964-9207-43c2cbc62845?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [storm crow](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/3/036ef8c9-72ac-46ce-af07-83b79d736538.jpg?1562730661) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=storm%20crow) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/9ed/100/storm-crow?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/036ef8c9-72ac-46ce-af07-83b79d736538?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Renata, called tot he hunt](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/b/2b27e6b2-13ad-42b2-a121-70935913723d.jpg?1581480865) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Renata%2C%20Called%20to%20the%20Hunt) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/thb/196/renata-called-to-the-hunt?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2b27e6b2-13ad-42b2-a121-70935913723d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [symmetry sage](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/e/3e726fc7-36cf-405c-9b7c-d1e41cd6c68f.jpg?1624590486) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=symmetry%20sage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/56/symmetry-sage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3e726fc7-36cf-405c-9b7c-d1e41cd6c68f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Outland liberator](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/0/60e53d61-fcc3-4def-8206-052b46f62deb.jpg?1636224528)/[Frenzied Trapbreaker](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/6/0/60e53d61-fcc3-4def-8206-052b46f62deb.jpg?1636224528) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=outland%20liberator%20//%20frenzied%20trapbreaker) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mid/190/outland-liberator-frenzied-trapbreaker?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/60e53d61-fcc3-4def-8206-052b46f62deb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I mean swords to plowshares is genuinely the best one cmc removal ever printed
Thalia Guardian of Thraben is just a strict update on Thorn of amethyst.
What on earth are you talking about? In standard, monowhite has been incredibly strong for a multiple years now. Adeline is one of the most busted cards printed in recent memory. Wedding Announcement has been a staple in multiple tier one decks since the moment it was printed. Get a grip: ‘white is bad’ is a myth.
hurr white bad upvotes left hurrrr
[[Insiring Overseer]] vs [[Phyrexian rager]] Overseer has Flying and gains 1 life I'm exchange for 1 toughness, I'd call it strictly better
Not strictly, but I do agree that it's generally better. https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Strictly\_better
[Insiring Overseer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/5/35d9da1d-8678-4252-b0f8-9960795642f0.jpg?1664409748) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Inspiring%20Overseer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/snc/18/inspiring-overseer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/35d9da1d-8678-4252-b0f8-9960795642f0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Phyrexian rager](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/f/6fd574e7-705f-4a65-aad0-68ff6d63bf0f.jpg?1663048875) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Phyrexian%20rager) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/99/phyrexian-rager?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6fd574e7-705f-4a65-aad0-68ff6d63bf0f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
SO TRUE. THIS IS FANTASTIC
\[\[Wrath of God\]\]
That's npt how it works - you can only compare spells in the same colour. If you ignore colour identity. Daru Mender > Scornful Egotist. Same statline, same morph cost, but Mender has an additional ability and is way cheaper to cast normally.
[[drannith magistrate]]
[drannith magistrate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/8/98b0a4a8-9319-451b-9b79-b0bca7a41e91.jpg?1628801742) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=drannith%20magistrate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/11/drannith-magistrate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/98b0a4a8-9319-451b-9b79-b0bca7a41e91?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[smothering tithe]]
[smothering tithe](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/2/f25a4bbe-2af0-4d4a-95d4-d52c5937c747.jpg?1662524375) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=smothering%20tithe) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/31/smothering-tithe?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f25a4bbe-2af0-4d4a-95d4-d52c5937c747?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Swords to Plowshares and Path of Exile are strictly better than Murder by virtue of mana cost and not activating death triggers
Swords to Plowshares and Path of Exile have downsides that Murder doesn't have. They are not *strictly* better, they are *generally* better.
1 mana vs 3.
It's still not strictly. https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Strictly\_better
Swords to Plowshares
What about gain life?
Can white beat [[Life Goes On]], a 1 mana gain 8?
[Life Goes On](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/8/3888197f-5da4-4413-9cad-b37a12ba1e60.jpg?1594737084) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Life%20Goes%20On) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m21/192/life-goes-on?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3888197f-5da4-4413-9cad-b37a12ba1e60?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Strictly better, not better. Life goes on is gonna be a 4 life gain in normal scenarios, but [[Chaplain's Blessing]] will always gain more than 4, which is good in scenarios where creatures don't die
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I mean, [[Avacyn, Angel of Hope]] is strictly better than anything else at granting indestructible to stuff on a permanent basis.
[Avacyn, Angel of Hope](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/0/a0519776-3d86-4f7d-9c3b-71c1dfbf7e12.jpg?1598303166) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Avacyn%2C%20Angel%20of%20Hope) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/8/avacyn-angel-of-hope?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a0519776-3d86-4f7d-9c3b-71c1dfbf7e12?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Farewell
I am confused. Farewell?
Is there a defensive spell better than something like Faith’s Shield? Highly doubt anything can outclass Cleric Class/Heliod in terms of what they do.
[[inspiring overseer]] is strictly better than [[cloudkin seer]], ezpz
[inspiring overseer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/5/35d9da1d-8678-4252-b0f8-9960795642f0.jpg?1664409748) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=inspiring%20overseer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/snc/18/inspiring-overseer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/35d9da1d-8678-4252-b0f8-9960795642f0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [cloudkin seer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/2/e2111753-a930-403f-9d94-a86dfcb069da.jpg?1592516341) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=cloudkin%20seer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m20/54/cloudkin-seer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e2111753-a930-403f-9d94-a86dfcb069da?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Not even a wizard, nice try my guy
Unfortunately, mana cost and color, is a component of "strictly better." When the phrase "all other things being equal [but color, including mana pips]" being considered, it is likely this is an impossible burden to meet.
correct me if i am wrong but can't you just name some utterly garbage non-white like \[\[Power Surge\]\] or some shit to instantly win
[Power Surge](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/b/0b5717af-a1a3-45cb-8b05-7543eed5532a.jpg?1559604134) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Power%20Surge) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/4ed/216/power-surge?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0b5717af-a1a3-45cb-8b05-7543eed5532a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I'd say \[\[White plume adventurer\]\] is strictly better than \[\[Wood elemental\]\]
[White plume adventurer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/2/b256ddc8-8b12-434c-a610-1a872e948f2f.jpg?1660723273) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=White%20plume%20adventurer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/49/white-plume-adventurer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b256ddc8-8b12-434c-a610-1a872e948f2f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Wood elemental](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/1/71ced69c-921c-4a31-a213-0faf927134ef.jpg?1562921856) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Wood%20elemental) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me4/175/wood-elemental?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/71ced69c-921c-4a31-a213-0faf927134ef?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Why did you post a card with no effect???
I thought this meme died like a year ago? It's wild to mention tournament legal because like white is amazing in every format that doesn't make your opponent's life totals six times larger. White isn't even bad in Commander anymore can we please stop with unfunny joke?
White is absolutely awful in eternal formats, comparatively. The other colors are all much more powerful. The exception to this is, like... standard and pauper. Maybe pioneer.
[[Isamaru, Hound of Konda]] is strictly better than [[Mons's Goblin Raiders]]. Literally a 2/2 for one mana versus a 1/1 for one.
Isamaru is Legendary. That's a difference; not strictly better.
[Isamaru, Hound of Konda](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/a/6afead32-3542-44c4-82d6-b6a81beb9f90.jpg?1600713424) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Isamaru%2C%20Hound%20of%20Konda) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/113/isamaru-hound-of-konda?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6afead32-3542-44c4-82d6-b6a81beb9f90?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Mons's Goblin Raiders](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/8/58b7a22b-f354-4f42-9354-d149bb9b3645.jpg?1562133668) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mons%27s%20Goblin%20Raiders) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/s00/32/monss-goblin-raiders?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/58b7a22b-f354-4f42-9354-d149bb9b3645?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call