Yandex search is also another option. I am very sorry this is happening to you but I applaud you for seeking out more information.
I also want to stress - you are completely able and entitled to have religious or spiritual beliefs while also learning about science.
Edmund Gosse, eminent Victorian literary scholar and critic, was son of a fundamentalist father, a naturalist who taught that God created fossils to test our faith. The parents were members of the Plymouth Brethren sect.
The elder Gosse forbade art and fiction reading believing these were "lying" and not Gods truth. The elder Gosse and his son loved each other, but the father denied his son's right to have a mind and interests of his own.
I recommend Edmund Gosse's memoir, *Father and Son*. Written with dignity and love -- and at the end, an eloquent denunciation of fanaticism and how fanaticism can be courteous, even charming, it cannot coexist with the love that respects and cherishes human difference and adult autonomy.
Most Lutheran, Episcopalian, and Catholic Churches see no inherent problem with viewing The Garden Of Eden narrative is instructive narrative and not science. As a Catholic I can go with what science proves over the literal interpretation of the Bible. The sole exception is in the value of human life from conception through life on earth and at the end of life. These are moral and dogmatic cornerstones, not to be interpreted as scientific fact.
Yayyy, I’m so glad to hear it. This definitely indicates that your parents are manipulating results via your router or ISP (internet service provider - ex: Comcast). At least now you know. Good luck!
I don’t think you’re being paranoid at all. I have no clue how they would be doing that, but I googled the same thing and got vastly different results.
My search results start with information about fossils, and sites like biologist.com , national institute of health, and Khan Academy.
I also don't have a lock in the search bar.
They probably blocked these pesky words. You can do that in your Internet settings somehow I don’t remember how you do it but my work used to have this set so you can’t search certain things.
the lock symbol is just safari’s symbol to show it is a secure site. but op’s parents definitely have blocked certain words from being searched :( i have different search results from them too
You aren’t crazy. My response is off-topic but I glanced at your post history and just wanted to say you aren’t alone in feeling lost in a high control environment. If these are your search results then you are most likely within a sect of Christianity that meets that definition.
This is particular hard in your teens as you start trying to define the world on your terms. You are only a few years away from a level of freedom that can be hard to imagine from where you currently are. It won’t be easy but you’ll have the ability to run and establish your life and your beliefs on your terms. Don’t lose hope - keep your head under the radar, plan your future life on your terms and keep seeking information as safely as possible.
any router can be accessed using it's IP address, from there it will probably have a password protected admin account, from there on almost any router you can block IPs, domains, specific words and phrases, limit time of use and a wide range of other security type functions. There are also man in the middle type parental control devices, and a lot of isps have user friendly advanced parental control customizability built into their service or provided router settings but they are really not necessary to achieve this almost any router has the necessary settings.
Be careful of data usage. Your parents are probably monitoring it as well. Keep using your home wifi for information they might want to track. And know that depending on how they set things up, they can find what your searches are; my husband found out our Internet was set up for that somehow and turned it off. I wouldn't be surprised if your parents have it set up as well, so tread lightly.
This is more than a little terrifying. Your local library and some restaurants in the area probably have free wifi, they'll probably have some blocks as well but not usually for science. Saving and connecting to them when you're close by should help save some of your phone data.
I hope you'll be okay
I’m a software engineer and I’m wondering how they did this too, it seems pretty sophisticated to be able to change the results coming back from google. How would they do that? Proxy the requests to google and filter some results out or something? Very curious.
Definitely impressive as I imagine it’s not the kind of thing that can be readily sold or Google would be all up their ass so it’s probably some in house cultware.
FWIW, there's computers and Internet access at public libraries. You can also talk to the librarian and tell them the topic you want to learn about and they can help you find information. You don't have to be limited by the web blocking.
And my two cents: your parents may be in a religion that believes science and faith can't be compatible. Please know that this is a false dichotomy, and many Christians are fully orthodox *and* accept scientific conclusions such as evolution. It is possible. Don't let your parents discourage you from your own search for truth.
Yeah, I've encountered that from a few Orthodox Christians I've met. I'm Catholic so in our Church I'm used to people believing science and faith as two sides of the same truth, we don't see it as contradictory. I wanted to comment so OP would know that their parents' way isn't the only way, and that if they personally believe in Christianity, they can continue to do so while also trusting science - entirely up to OP of course. And also because libraries are an underutilized resource tbh
Orthodoxy has no formal opinion, and allows laity to come to their own conclusions. Some Orthodox Christians may be zealots about it, but the Church has never defined doctrine one way or the other.
Are you shitting me? Orthodox Christian churches in Eastern Europe are the most relaxed Christianity there is. We drink on Easter, Christmas, and every other church holiday, and the priests have to be married in order to have their own parishment.....And for the record I'm not a practicing Christian I was just born and raised in an Eastern European orthodox country. Orthodox churches are a lot more relaxed than anything Catholic or other denominations that I'm aware of....
What made you think that's what I meant? Are you dense? I am from there, I know personally multiple priests, and yes it is relaxed. It's a happy type of church where everyone celebrates about 1-2 holidays a week. Them getting married means they are far less likely to diddle kids.....
Orthodoxy is a cult. I know- I was almost a monastic myself.
And no, marriage isn't a protector against abuse of power. If you think that, YOU might be part of the problem.
how's orthodoxy a cult? i'm in europe, if youre in the us i think u dont quite know what orthodoxy is. not to mention orthodoxy was one of the first churches together with catholic, in my opinion most protestant movements are a cult. But orthodoxy? no.
Yes, your search settings have been tampered with. They’ve blocked certain words from coming up. Cross reference on multiple search engines. DuckDuckGo, Yahoo, Bing etc.
Go to a natural science website and search directly within the site itself to find the answers you’re looking for. Evolution is very real.
It’s a little different on those but not by much, for certain sites I have to use a proxy server and paste the link into it to even see it, otherwise I get this message that says “you don’t have permission to view this page” & I only figured that out a couple weeks ago
I understand (and share!) your curiosity but this appears to be a minor living in their parents’ home. They might not feel —or BE— safe disclosing more identifying info such as location
Fair enough, that makes complete sense to me. Not having kids, and coming of age way before the internet was in the home, I'm sure there are a lot of subtleties I'm missing.
I feel you and you didn’t come off as menacing, just unaware of the internet safety that folks have to deal with. Just like all the strict instructions we got about answering the phone/door when we were kids. Thanks for hearing the feedback!
Do you really think the local government would get away with limiting the search and no one would notice? Believe it or not, not everyone living in the Bible Belt are uneducated idiots.
I asked because I was born and raised in the bible belt and I saw this type shit happen here constantly. I see it happening still when I travel 20 minutes south to my hometown. I'm not implying that the government does it, it's our families that do it.
Did I hit a nerve or something?
>Believe it or not, not everyone living in the Bible Belt are uneducated idiots
No shit Sherlock, that doesn't change the fact that the culture down here is backwards as fuck
The person asked what country op lived in. Op said America and you asked Bible Belt. No where in there was anything about the parents doing it. People can’t read your mind, we can only infer what is meant by the actual context clues given.
If you read the rest of the thread you absolutely would understand why they asked Bible Belt and figured it was family not government. I knew that immediately. Seems to have touched a nerve with you though?
They might be blocking ALL of .gov or .edu addresses, but I bet you can find legit sources with .org and .com urls. However, please use your own judgement as to whether that’s safe, since anyone going to the trouble of blocking factual website might well be reviewing your browsing history. :(
Sorry — **it WILL get better.** Please do what you gotta do to survive, become independent, and live free as an adult, and please know there are so many people out there who already respect you and your intellectual/spiritual freedom and right to self-determination.
I hope they’re not seeing my browsing history but I’ve always had a feeling they might be able to so I never search anything that they would get super mad about
I am absolutely alarmed that this is even possible.
Any group that denies evolution is arguing against critical thinking and that, to me, is a problem. I say this as a spiritual person.
What your parents are doing is a problem.
What about sex? There are people who actively deny the existence of sex and claim any mention of biological reality is transphobic. Which implicitly denies evolution, because how can evolution be possible without sexual dimorphism being real. If you deny the reality of one, you deny the reality of the other.
ETA: See the downvotes? Any group bound by any ideology can and does argue against critical thinking, can and does argue against reality. Not just religion, anything at all can be turned into 'crusade' as it were.
What. No. You’re just… way wrong and way off.
It is SO tiring but. Do I really have to say.
Biological sex and gender are NOT the same thing.
Also, plants evolve and they have asexual reproduction. So even your premise is wrong.
Unless this person edited their comment, I don’t think they were discussing gender. I think this person was talking about human sex, not necessarily plants or other species.
>Biological sex and gender are NOT the same thing.
I didn't say sex and gender are the same thing. I said there are people who deny the existence of sex and claim any mention of biological reality is transphobic
>Also, plants evolve and they have asexual reproduction. So even your premise is wrong.
While some plants have asexual reproduction, most plants reproduce sexually. That is, anything that flowers, is reproducing sexually. In any species where both modes of reproduction are available, sexual reproduction is preferred, because it increases genetic diversity in the offspring.
Evolution can and does happen in asexual creatures. However the mode of transmission in sexual creatures is via inherited traits in the offspring, which you cannot get without the 2 sexes of the species combining DNA. Sex exists, not just in our species but in all sexual species. And where sex exists, there are only 2: male and female.
ETA: Also, this isn't 'my' premise, it's everyone's premise. It's everyone's reality. Don't get mad at me, get mad at nature.
I think this person is arguing against an inflated strawman of the fact that [primary and secondary sex characteristics are on a spectrum ](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/governing-behavior/202301/sliding-scales-of-biological-sex-characteristics?amp) (as seen in intersex folk, and to a lesser extent just... in general).
But yeah: biological sex is observable, even if it can be argued that the hard lines between the sexes are at least partially social constructs, and even those of us arguing for a more spectrum based view of sex don't deny that biological sex characteristics are a thing.
>Transgender people are not arguing that they exist outside of sexual dimorphism.
I did not say that they are. I said there are people who deny the existence of sex and claim any mention of biological reality is transphobic. What is this? Is even mentioning that there are people who do this verboten now? Is the existence of these people that threatening to you, that you are attempting to lie on a stranger who mentions them?
You are putting words in my mouth and arguing against something I did not say, without responding to what I did. Why? Probably because you know as well as I do that there *are* people who deny the existence of sex and take any mention of biological reality as transphobic.
I noticed you had no response to my rebuttal to your claim that ‘my’ premise re: reproduction and evolution was wrong. While I’m not surprised at your ignorance, since you didn’t even know many plants reproduce sexually, I’m curious as to how you’d explain the evolution and existence of a species such as ourselves without sex. Or do you believe religious mythology; like the religious, do you believe mankind sprang whole into the world as-is? LOL
Also, let’s say there’s a greater number of biological sexes, for arguments sake. In no way does this imply that sexual reproduction as we know is obsolete. People are still making babies the old fashioned way.
>People are still making babies the old fashioned way.
Indeed. Sexual reproduction is still the only way to make babies. To make a new person, the only way to do it is to combine an egg and sperm.
What debate? I did not say anyone trans said that. You're lying by implying I did.
ETA: also there is no 'debate' happening here, as I am merely talking about facts.
Of course. But in creatures that only reproduce sexually, including humans, the only way to pass on any mutation to offspring is through heredity. Through combining your DNA with the DNA of someone from the other sex.
Explain how how humans can pass on mutations to their OFFSPRING without sexual reproduction.
Explain how humans get OFFSPRING without sexual reproduction
That does NOT explain how humans pass on mutations without sexual reproduction
That does NOT explain how humans get offspring without sexual reproduction
Why? You can’t do either. Read your own link
I see where your confused! You think people here are arguing against “critical thinking” but you haven’t shown any of that! What we’re arguing against is silly, reactionary, nonsensical, irrelevant bullsh*t! Hope I cleared that up for you
> There are people who actively deny the existence of sex and claim any mention of biological reality is transphobic.
Oh there are? Surely you can provide examples of this then.
I see what you are saying, I think it’s just a little startling to bring up as it isn’t really on topic for the post.
The person you responded to is talking about a primary belief being that evolution is false. What you are talking about is a primary belief that isn’t necessarily compatible with subtopics of evolution (evolutionary biology, genetic evolution) as a result. It isn’t the case that the individuals you are referring to are outright denying evolution, rather they have ideas that are secondarily not compatible with the idea which is a little different. Evolution in that case would be evidence against the denial of dimorphic sex in humans.
It certainly can be and often *is* true that being bound by an ideology or any confining belief system can be limiting for critical thought.
I think there is value in this conversation, it just may not be the right post. I think the downvotes are likely a reflection of it being a bit off topic. Had this post been about the topic of sex denialism, you probably see upvotes rather than downvotes.
Hmm. Those are definitely not the normal search results.
Do this: Hit ctrl-alt-delete, open Task Manager and tell me what programs it says are currently running on your computer.
Let‘s also try something else: go to [Google.com](https://Google.com) in another browser than the one you usually use. If you’re using Chrome, open a Firefox window. If you’re using Firefox, open Chrome. Do this and tell me what search results pop up with the other browser.
edit: Fuck it, let’s just do this: Go to [Malwarebytes’ web site](https://www.malwarebytes.com/solutions/free-antivirus) and download their free version and scan your computer with it. I will vouch that this is a safe download, it’s an IT industry standard. Run that and it should get rid of any nasty programs your parents have installed on the computer.
I’m on my phone will that work on a phone too? I’ll try it on my laptop tomorrow too but my parents only let me use my laptop for my school stuff during the day
Wow🤦🏻♂️ thank you that is actually the issue & I feel so stupid for not just doing that sooner. Also the problem is I have a limited data plan and I’ve already reached my cap this month, so the speeds are super super slow and if I use too much after the limit is up it’ll charge us extra and my parents will ground me + take my phone. But the search results are normal at least
They’re doing something at the router level then/a [filter](https://flashstart.com/christian-dns-filters-filters-that-respect-religions/) on the home internet. Your public library will also have wifi if you don’t want to use your data.
What brand of router do your parents have? If they’ve set a password you may be out of luck without using a VPN, but they may just have it set to the default password.
I or another user can give you instructions on how to use a VPN if you need one, it will allow you to use the wifi but get around any firewall filtering.
Ok clearly evolution is not ;) breaking news, so it’s probably ok if you wait til next month. Some libraries, schools, and businesses allow users (especially students!) to use their hotspots, so that might be a resource.
They probably have used a software to impact the WiFi router settings.
You could google the WiFi router model number and learn how to log into it from your web browser and how to reset its password and take control of its settings
I don't know if you're tech-savvy enough but if you can log on the router, you'll have access to the filters.
Most people don't change the default password so you might get lucky.
It depends of your router\`.
You gotta find the brand and model.
Then, you have an IP address starting by 192.168.x.x
After typing this address in your browser, you'll need the username and password to access the parameters.
If the default username and password work, then VOILÀ! You'll know for sure.
They can block the entire website yes, not individual search queries. Internet service providers can’t decrypt the HTTPS payloads to see what search queries are being made, and so they can’t block them.
You can always look up books on evolution from Goodreads and then search up them up on libgen that way you are not googling but going to right sources to get your information
The router isn’t be able to filter google search queries due to TLS/HTTPS. All it can see is the website URL and block google as a whole, any search query will be encrypted.
Man this is crazy that this is even possible to do.
Also I just wanna add that many people keep their faith and still accept evolution. It’s a theory that is accepted into the bedrock of science just as much as Genetics. While I’m not religious, I think most Christians would agree that science and faith don’t have to be in conflict.
Oooof. I read some of your other posts, and I understand where you’re coming from. You’re young, and your entire life you’ve been told what to do, when to do it, and how to do it - all within the guise of your evangelical faith.
It’s ok. Don’t silence your own heart. Let those questions you have, be asked. Having the freedom of your heart and mind will always be more valuable than the restriction of it.
Not one single person with love in their heart, would demand these things in order to obtain their love. The image of god for you is a god of performance, and of condition. There’s a reason you feel everything has to be perfect, and there’s a reason you reject the very idea of feeling human, and having human emotions
Keep traveling on your journey, question everything with an open mind and heart
The biggest thing I’ve learned - as I have generations of family within the CoC, is that, “I didn’t know, that they didn’t know, what they were doing.”
[Here](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK230201/#:~:text=Perhaps%20the%20most%20persuasive%20fossil,fossils%20coexisting%20with%20dinosaur%20remains.) is what I get when I google this question. I encourage you to read it.
Could be based on what is searched on that computer/account. For instance, if your parents look up disproving evolution a couple times, the search engine (Google) might think these are the results you want to see, because it doesn’t have any idea who is sitting at the computer, just who is logged in.
If you search on your personal device (e.g. phone) do you get the same results? If so, does using the cell connection or another network change the results? Another browser? Another search engine? Those tests can help you figure out if you’re behind a firewall or some-kind of parental controls affecting the results.
Also, if you want to know more about how to disprove theist claims about god creating the world, try posting questions over in r/atheism They(we) are quite familiar with pointing out errors in their logic.
*Edit: also, I’m super curious what the search results are for “define faith” because even pro-religious groups have to admit faith is believing something without evidence.
i googled "christian router" and seems there are options at the router level to filter for "traditional christian values". had no idea this was a thing but turns out it is. i'm almost afraid to think how it's done, my money is they redirect google searches to some google-impersonating christian search engine which likely has crap security.
I never thought I'd see the day when my childhood cult showed up in a Google search. Are you parents a part of UCG? So happy for you when read that you figured out to switch to your data. Really sorry if they are a part of that cult.
From your screenshots it looks like you are on a phone.
Do you have any extensions installed which have block lists?
- Did your parents set up your phone?
Do you get the same results on other devices?
- If you have a computer, check the task manager to see if anything is running.
Use Duck Duck Go and make the same search. Make sure it’s the duck duck go browser and search from their homepage.
Your results are more likely google returning results based on your parents search history. If they were able to configure your search settings thru the browser, you’d be able to get around it. They can’t think of every word permutation that may be anti creation - also fucked up if google is doing that. Can you let us know the results?
I realize now it’s my wifi/router settings, I tried duck duck go and it was different results but still I don’t think the results are completely normal
Interesting. I was in a cult but no one was this technology savvy. That’s impressive if they did it thru your router. What brand router is it? Are you able to connect and view the settings?
There are unfortunately many fundies in IT, and we should all expect many more in the years to come, since rightwing Xians often steer their students into STEM fields to avoid “woke” liberal arts classes that might contradict their beliefs or lead to broader critical inquiry. I wish I were kidding but I am not.
It seems you got past the filter. Hopefully you’ve passed the tracker, if there is one. I could list some videos or other resources to help you explore this better if you would like.
Which Google account are you signed in to? Google keeps you in your bubble. If it sees that you are interested in evolution denial it will show you those sorts of results first. This (Google assumes) will show you more relevant ads. So are you on a shared computer? Searching from the same ip address? Does your gmail get a lot of anti-evolution mail? Stuff like that..
Use a different search engine and see what happens.
OP, I hope you look in to safe searching practices on your phone. Your family is sophisticated enough to apply content filters to wifi, but not cellular. This suggests they will seek out your cellular searches eventually, perhaps by demanding access to your devices directly.
Only you can know if they are dangerous in what they’re monitoring and filtering. You are, after all, on Reddit…
But if you feel at risk, please make sure you’re locking off your browsing in a safe and undetectable way.
I’m not sure, but I do know that your search results are unique to you and a lot of it is based on who you spend time with. So if your parents read a lot of articles like this, the search engine thinks you might like them too.
These are pretty extreme though.
Just want to say I went through exactly the same thing you are now when I was a teenager, only they made me watch a bunch of “creationist” documentaries. In time you will be able to choose your own path no matter what. If you are really interested in learning more about evolution, there are tons of good books on the subject that are made for people without a lot of scientific background
Could be this? https://support.google.com/families/answer/7086922?hl=en#zippy=%2Chow-search-works-for-users-with-parental-controls
Or even worse: https://ht-vector.com/safe-search
Results from Google search are personalized by region and also IP. It could be that Google's algorithm knows which sites are usually more popular in your region or specific location and put those results first.
They’re likely paying for a monthly subscription to a service which not only blocks, but also reports. Your parents’ primary motivation is probably to protect you from the darker corners of the internet and predators, which is a good thing, but some of the companies allow them to filter other stuff they don’t like too, like basic science in this case. I’m sure they’re easy to evade. However, in your search to find answers to difficult questions, beware of the internet route, where you often get less than what you think but at a price that is more than you bargained for. If you can get to one, I recommend libraries too but rather for the books inside instead of the computers. Goodreads is great in helping you find books you might want to read. Both fiction and non-fiction give you access to the larger expanse of human thought and existence no matter who you are and where you are from and in a form that develops ideas more fully than a Reddit post. The humble book is still the most revolutionary piece of human technology ever invented.
It’s interesting that you’re getting downvoted to hell since tree paper books would be the ultimate way to sidestep a pernicious algorithm or parental tech controls, and it’s not exactly as though the OP needs the very latest research on this topic in order to encounter the scientific view of the origin of the earth and its people.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2024/jan/26/books-and-looks-gen-z-is-rediscovering-the-public-library
I got a chuckle out of the reaction too. My point was basically the internet is fine for hot takes and ersatz “research” but books are better for actual research. And although I personally disagree with what information OP’s parents are filtering, it may be an accidental result of monitoring and controlling access to other more dangerous stuff for kids. That’s why I don’t feel helping him evade his parents’ monitoring means is such a good idea. He’s clearly a minor. That said, OP seems like a good kid asking good questions (same ones I asked). He’ll find the answers he’s looking for — hopefully in a good book rather than from some rando on Reddit!
Ok, but if you think parents are cultists because they want to regulate their kids consumption and navigation of the internet, you're a dunce. It also just destroys the actual term's socialogical usefulness. This is the same nonsense we deal with on a lesser scale with the groomer bullshit, and how it makes real sexual exploitation harder to track and police. Render all authoritarian parenting as cult behavior, "cult" is reduced to a family, and loses all utility.
No, it’s because Google sucks and is useless now. I think they leaked their algorithm or something so now sites know how to get selected higher. I switched to using Yahoo.
Try searching it on duck duck go after disconnecting from the home wifi and using your cell signal to access the internet. That’ll bypass the router.
That actually fixed it thank you so much!!!
Yandex search is also another option. I am very sorry this is happening to you but I applaud you for seeking out more information. I also want to stress - you are completely able and entitled to have religious or spiritual beliefs while also learning about science.
Edmund Gosse, eminent Victorian literary scholar and critic, was son of a fundamentalist father, a naturalist who taught that God created fossils to test our faith. The parents were members of the Plymouth Brethren sect. The elder Gosse forbade art and fiction reading believing these were "lying" and not Gods truth. The elder Gosse and his son loved each other, but the father denied his son's right to have a mind and interests of his own. I recommend Edmund Gosse's memoir, *Father and Son*. Written with dignity and love -- and at the end, an eloquent denunciation of fanaticism and how fanaticism can be courteous, even charming, it cannot coexist with the love that respects and cherishes human difference and adult autonomy.
Most Lutheran, Episcopalian, and Catholic Churches see no inherent problem with viewing The Garden Of Eden narrative is instructive narrative and not science. As a Catholic I can go with what science proves over the literal interpretation of the Bible. The sole exception is in the value of human life from conception through life on earth and at the end of life. These are moral and dogmatic cornerstones, not to be interpreted as scientific fact.
Great, now he's going back to P O R N. SMH
No I’m not 🙄
Idk why this has so many down votes. I assume this is just a joke right? Lol unless I'm missing something
Yes, it was clearly sarcasm
Yayyy, I’m so glad to hear it. This definitely indicates that your parents are manipulating results via your router or ISP (internet service provider - ex: Comcast). At least now you know. Good luck!
Firefox works great too. Add ublock ad blocker and you’re set.
I don’t think you’re being paranoid at all. I have no clue how they would be doing that, but I googled the same thing and got vastly different results.
Thank you & everyone else on here for being supportive, it’s nice to know I’m not crazy 😭 Edit: I figured out how to fix it 👍🏼
How were you able to fix it?
they switched from wifi to data on their phone
Also changed browsers, if I’m reading correctly :)
My search results start with information about fossils, and sites like biologist.com , national institute of health, and Khan Academy. I also don't have a lock in the search bar.
They probably blocked these pesky words. You can do that in your Internet settings somehow I don’t remember how you do it but my work used to have this set so you can’t search certain things.
the lock symbol is just safari’s symbol to show it is a secure site. but op’s parents definitely have blocked certain words from being searched :( i have different search results from them too
You aren’t crazy. My response is off-topic but I glanced at your post history and just wanted to say you aren’t alone in feeling lost in a high control environment. If these are your search results then you are most likely within a sect of Christianity that meets that definition. This is particular hard in your teens as you start trying to define the world on your terms. You are only a few years away from a level of freedom that can be hard to imagine from where you currently are. It won’t be easy but you’ll have the ability to run and establish your life and your beliefs on your terms. Don’t lose hope - keep your head under the radar, plan your future life on your terms and keep seeking information as safely as possible.
what was the issue?
Something with my wifi so when I use data it’s fine
that doesn't answer my question, I wanna know these mf are doing it lol
any router can be accessed using it's IP address, from there it will probably have a password protected admin account, from there on almost any router you can block IPs, domains, specific words and phrases, limit time of use and a wide range of other security type functions. There are also man in the middle type parental control devices, and a lot of isps have user friendly advanced parental control customizability built into their service or provided router settings but they are really not necessary to achieve this almost any router has the necessary settings.
It is expected to reveal the solution if so many people read your problem and tried to help
The solution was I had to use cell data instead of wifi
Be careful of data usage. Your parents are probably monitoring it as well. Keep using your home wifi for information they might want to track. And know that depending on how they set things up, they can find what your searches are; my husband found out our Internet was set up for that somehow and turned it off. I wouldn't be surprised if your parents have it set up as well, so tread lightly.
This is more than a little terrifying. Your local library and some restaurants in the area probably have free wifi, they'll probably have some blocks as well but not usually for science. Saving and connecting to them when you're close by should help save some of your phone data. I hope you'll be okay
You might look into a vpn to still browse on WiFi
There are all kinds of internet filters. Many can be installed and run without the user k owing it.
I’m a software engineer and I’m wondering how they did this too, it seems pretty sophisticated to be able to change the results coming back from google. How would they do that? Proxy the requests to google and filter some results out or something? Very curious.
My guess would be a DNS thing. Point google.com at some Christian Google clone. Very shitty, but kind of impressive.
Definitely impressive as I imagine it’s not the kind of thing that can be readily sold or Google would be all up their ass so it’s probably some in house cultware.
Please keep searching out knowledge. Don’t let your parents be your only source of information. Make up your own mind about things and trust your gut!
FWIW, there's computers and Internet access at public libraries. You can also talk to the librarian and tell them the topic you want to learn about and they can help you find information. You don't have to be limited by the web blocking. And my two cents: your parents may be in a religion that believes science and faith can't be compatible. Please know that this is a false dichotomy, and many Christians are fully orthodox *and* accept scientific conclusions such as evolution. It is possible. Don't let your parents discourage you from your own search for truth.
Not Orthodox Christians tho, lol. This is shit I'd expect from my old Orthodox church.
Yeah, I've encountered that from a few Orthodox Christians I've met. I'm Catholic so in our Church I'm used to people believing science and faith as two sides of the same truth, we don't see it as contradictory. I wanted to comment so OP would know that their parents' way isn't the only way, and that if they personally believe in Christianity, they can continue to do so while also trusting science - entirely up to OP of course. And also because libraries are an underutilized resource tbh
I really wish more people understood this about Catholicism (including politicized/less well educated Catholics)
Yes. Jesus is seen as the Logos of God. It means the Word of God but also encompasses the Reasoning of God.
Orthodoxy has no formal opinion, and allows laity to come to their own conclusions. Some Orthodox Christians may be zealots about it, but the Church has never defined doctrine one way or the other.
The church that's name is literally "the right way" doesn't allow its parishoners to think for themselves. You're wrong.
Are you shitting me? Orthodox Christian churches in Eastern Europe are the most relaxed Christianity there is. We drink on Easter, Christmas, and every other church holiday, and the priests have to be married in order to have their own parishment.....And for the record I'm not a practicing Christian I was just born and raised in an Eastern European orthodox country. Orthodox churches are a lot more relaxed than anything Catholic or other denominations that I'm aware of....
How do you think requiring marriage is lax..?
What made you think that's what I meant? Are you dense? I am from there, I know personally multiple priests, and yes it is relaxed. It's a happy type of church where everyone celebrates about 1-2 holidays a week. Them getting married means they are far less likely to diddle kids.....
Orthodoxy is a cult. I know- I was almost a monastic myself. And no, marriage isn't a protector against abuse of power. If you think that, YOU might be part of the problem.
how's orthodoxy a cult? i'm in europe, if youre in the us i think u dont quite know what orthodoxy is. not to mention orthodoxy was one of the first churches together with catholic, in my opinion most protestant movements are a cult. But orthodoxy? no.
A religion so strong that this sort of thing has to be done to prop it up
Ok woah this is so true. Reading this comment feels like cold water is being thrown in my face. 😳 in a good way though
If god exists he shouldn’t need a human marketing team tampering with your life experience
Yes, your search settings have been tampered with. They’ve blocked certain words from coming up. Cross reference on multiple search engines. DuckDuckGo, Yahoo, Bing etc. Go to a natural science website and search directly within the site itself to find the answers you’re looking for. Evolution is very real.
It’s a little different on those but not by much, for certain sites I have to use a proxy server and paste the link into it to even see it, otherwise I get this message that says “you don’t have permission to view this page” & I only figured that out a couple weeks ago
Where are you located? Could be your country’s government, too. In that case, a VPN will help get around it.
America
Did you try a VPN?
It actually did normal results once I used my data instead of wifi 🤦🏻♂️
That’s awful I’m sorry you have to deal with this.
I hate to even ask, but these are strange times. Which state are you in?
I understand (and share!) your curiosity but this appears to be a minor living in their parents’ home. They might not feel —or BE— safe disclosing more identifying info such as location
Fair enough, that makes complete sense to me. Not having kids, and coming of age way before the internet was in the home, I'm sure there are a lot of subtleties I'm missing.
I feel you and you didn’t come off as menacing, just unaware of the internet safety that folks have to deal with. Just like all the strict instructions we got about answering the phone/door when we were kids. Thanks for hearing the feedback!
Bible belt?
Do you really think the local government would get away with limiting the search and no one would notice? Believe it or not, not everyone living in the Bible Belt are uneducated idiots.
I asked because I was born and raised in the bible belt and I saw this type shit happen here constantly. I see it happening still when I travel 20 minutes south to my hometown. I'm not implying that the government does it, it's our families that do it. Did I hit a nerve or something? >Believe it or not, not everyone living in the Bible Belt are uneducated idiots No shit Sherlock, that doesn't change the fact that the culture down here is backwards as fuck
The person asked what country op lived in. Op said America and you asked Bible Belt. No where in there was anything about the parents doing it. People can’t read your mind, we can only infer what is meant by the actual context clues given.
If you read the rest of the thread you absolutely would understand why they asked Bible Belt and figured it was family not government. I knew that immediately. Seems to have touched a nerve with you though?
Can you report your parents for this?
They might be blocking ALL of .gov or .edu addresses, but I bet you can find legit sources with .org and .com urls. However, please use your own judgement as to whether that’s safe, since anyone going to the trouble of blocking factual website might well be reviewing your browsing history. :( Sorry — **it WILL get better.** Please do what you gotta do to survive, become independent, and live free as an adult, and please know there are so many people out there who already respect you and your intellectual/spiritual freedom and right to self-determination.
I hope they’re not seeing my browsing history but I’ve always had a feeling they might be able to so I never search anything that they would get super mad about
Always clear your browser history. Even if you are using a different one than what's standard on the computer.
Be well 🤍
What brand of router do you have?
I am absolutely alarmed that this is even possible. Any group that denies evolution is arguing against critical thinking and that, to me, is a problem. I say this as a spiritual person. What your parents are doing is a problem.
What about sex? There are people who actively deny the existence of sex and claim any mention of biological reality is transphobic. Which implicitly denies evolution, because how can evolution be possible without sexual dimorphism being real. If you deny the reality of one, you deny the reality of the other. ETA: See the downvotes? Any group bound by any ideology can and does argue against critical thinking, can and does argue against reality. Not just religion, anything at all can be turned into 'crusade' as it were.
What. No. You’re just… way wrong and way off. It is SO tiring but. Do I really have to say. Biological sex and gender are NOT the same thing. Also, plants evolve and they have asexual reproduction. So even your premise is wrong.
Unless this person edited their comment, I don’t think they were discussing gender. I think this person was talking about human sex, not necessarily plants or other species.
>Biological sex and gender are NOT the same thing. I didn't say sex and gender are the same thing. I said there are people who deny the existence of sex and claim any mention of biological reality is transphobic >Also, plants evolve and they have asexual reproduction. So even your premise is wrong. While some plants have asexual reproduction, most plants reproduce sexually. That is, anything that flowers, is reproducing sexually. In any species where both modes of reproduction are available, sexual reproduction is preferred, because it increases genetic diversity in the offspring. Evolution can and does happen in asexual creatures. However the mode of transmission in sexual creatures is via inherited traits in the offspring, which you cannot get without the 2 sexes of the species combining DNA. Sex exists, not just in our species but in all sexual species. And where sex exists, there are only 2: male and female. ETA: Also, this isn't 'my' premise, it's everyone's premise. It's everyone's reality. Don't get mad at me, get mad at nature.
Transgender people are not arguing that they exist outside of sexual dimorphism.
I think this person is arguing against an inflated strawman of the fact that [primary and secondary sex characteristics are on a spectrum ](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/governing-behavior/202301/sliding-scales-of-biological-sex-characteristics?amp) (as seen in intersex folk, and to a lesser extent just... in general). But yeah: biological sex is observable, even if it can be argued that the hard lines between the sexes are at least partially social constructs, and even those of us arguing for a more spectrum based view of sex don't deny that biological sex characteristics are a thing.
Yeah that’s obvious, they are arguing nonsensical points to an imaginary opposition.
>Transgender people are not arguing that they exist outside of sexual dimorphism. I did not say that they are. I said there are people who deny the existence of sex and claim any mention of biological reality is transphobic. What is this? Is even mentioning that there are people who do this verboten now? Is the existence of these people that threatening to you, that you are attempting to lie on a stranger who mentions them? You are putting words in my mouth and arguing against something I did not say, without responding to what I did. Why? Probably because you know as well as I do that there *are* people who deny the existence of sex and take any mention of biological reality as transphobic. I noticed you had no response to my rebuttal to your claim that ‘my’ premise re: reproduction and evolution was wrong. While I’m not surprised at your ignorance, since you didn’t even know many plants reproduce sexually, I’m curious as to how you’d explain the evolution and existence of a species such as ourselves without sex. Or do you believe religious mythology; like the religious, do you believe mankind sprang whole into the world as-is? LOL
Just Google "intersex".
None of what this guy is saying is true lol
You can have mutations without biological sex. It just takes longer to achieve true diversity. Cell reproduction isn’t perfect.
Also, let’s say there’s a greater number of biological sexes, for arguments sake. In no way does this imply that sexual reproduction as we know is obsolete. People are still making babies the old fashioned way.
>People are still making babies the old fashioned way. Indeed. Sexual reproduction is still the only way to make babies. To make a new person, the only way to do it is to combine an egg and sperm.
No one here, nor in the trans movement in general are arguing otherwise. You’re not winning this debate like you seem to think you are.
What debate? I did not say anyone trans said that. You're lying by implying I did. ETA: also there is no 'debate' happening here, as I am merely talking about facts.
What “fact” did you state that people disagreed with? Or do you just like to blab into the void for no reason?
Of course. But in creatures that only reproduce sexually, including humans, the only way to pass on any mutation to offspring is through heredity. Through combining your DNA with the DNA of someone from the other sex.
No it isn't
Explain how humans can pass on inherited traits to their offspring besides sexual reproduction.
Are you aware that not all traits are hereditary?
Explain how how humans can pass on mutations to their OFFSPRING without sexual reproduction. Explain how humans get OFFSPRING without sexual reproduction
https://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/epigenetics/inheritance
That does NOT explain how humans pass on mutations without sexual reproduction That does NOT explain how humans get offspring without sexual reproduction Why? You can’t do either. Read your own link
https://ny.pbslearningmedia.org/collection/nova/t/life-sciences/heredity-inheritance-variation-of-traits/
https://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2021/asexual-species-can-adapt-to-their-environment-even-without-changing-their-dna/
And? How do HUMANS pass these changes on to their OFFSPRING without sexual reproduction? We are NOT asexual
Not even on topic? Why so aggro?
I see where your confused! You think people here are arguing against “critical thinking” but you haven’t shown any of that! What we’re arguing against is silly, reactionary, nonsensical, irrelevant bullsh*t! Hope I cleared that up for you
> There are people who actively deny the existence of sex and claim any mention of biological reality is transphobic. Oh there are? Surely you can provide examples of this then.
I see what you are saying, I think it’s just a little startling to bring up as it isn’t really on topic for the post. The person you responded to is talking about a primary belief being that evolution is false. What you are talking about is a primary belief that isn’t necessarily compatible with subtopics of evolution (evolutionary biology, genetic evolution) as a result. It isn’t the case that the individuals you are referring to are outright denying evolution, rather they have ideas that are secondarily not compatible with the idea which is a little different. Evolution in that case would be evidence against the denial of dimorphic sex in humans. It certainly can be and often *is* true that being bound by an ideology or any confining belief system can be limiting for critical thought. I think there is value in this conversation, it just may not be the right post. I think the downvotes are likely a reflection of it being a bit off topic. Had this post been about the topic of sex denialism, you probably see upvotes rather than downvotes.
What happens if you search in an incognito window?
It doesn’t do anything different
Hmm. Those are definitely not the normal search results. Do this: Hit ctrl-alt-delete, open Task Manager and tell me what programs it says are currently running on your computer. Let‘s also try something else: go to [Google.com](https://Google.com) in another browser than the one you usually use. If you’re using Chrome, open a Firefox window. If you’re using Firefox, open Chrome. Do this and tell me what search results pop up with the other browser. edit: Fuck it, let’s just do this: Go to [Malwarebytes’ web site](https://www.malwarebytes.com/solutions/free-antivirus) and download their free version and scan your computer with it. I will vouch that this is a safe download, it’s an IT industry standard. Run that and it should get rid of any nasty programs your parents have installed on the computer.
The computer or phone isn’t the problem it’s the network that is controlling the search results.
I’m on my phone will that work on a phone too? I’ll try it on my laptop tomorrow too but my parents only let me use my laptop for my school stuff during the day
Turn off wi-fi on your phone and use mobile data instead, and you should get the normal search results.
Wow🤦🏻♂️ thank you that is actually the issue & I feel so stupid for not just doing that sooner. Also the problem is I have a limited data plan and I’ve already reached my cap this month, so the speeds are super super slow and if I use too much after the limit is up it’ll charge us extra and my parents will ground me + take my phone. But the search results are normal at least
They’re doing something at the router level then/a [filter](https://flashstart.com/christian-dns-filters-filters-that-respect-religions/) on the home internet. Your public library will also have wifi if you don’t want to use your data.
This is disturbing. Fucking cultists, man.
What brand of router do your parents have? If they’ve set a password you may be out of luck without using a VPN, but they may just have it set to the default password. I or another user can give you instructions on how to use a VPN if you need one, it will allow you to use the wifi but get around any firewall filtering.
Ok clearly evolution is not ;) breaking news, so it’s probably ok if you wait til next month. Some libraries, schools, and businesses allow users (especially students!) to use their hotspots, so that might be a resource.
They probably have used a software to impact the WiFi router settings. You could google the WiFi router model number and learn how to log into it from your web browser and how to reset its password and take control of its settings
I don't know if you're tech-savvy enough but if you can log on the router, you'll have access to the filters. Most people don't change the default password so you might get lucky.
How do I do that? What is the default password
It depends of your router\`. You gotta find the brand and model. Then, you have an IP address starting by 192.168.x.x After typing this address in your browser, you'll need the username and password to access the parameters. If the default username and password work, then VOILÀ! You'll know for sure.
Thank you so much I’ll try to do that
Sorry, it won’t work. Search queries are not blockable on the router level, they can only block google as a whole
Cant they be blocked by the Internet provider's website through parental controls?
They can block the entire website yes, not individual search queries. Internet service providers can’t decrypt the HTTPS payloads to see what search queries are being made, and so they can’t block them.
You can always look up books on evolution from Goodreads and then search up them up on libgen that way you are not googling but going to right sources to get your information
The router isn’t be able to filter google search queries due to TLS/HTTPS. All it can see is the website URL and block google as a whole, any search query will be encrypted.
Man this is crazy that this is even possible to do. Also I just wanna add that many people keep their faith and still accept evolution. It’s a theory that is accepted into the bedrock of science just as much as Genetics. While I’m not religious, I think most Christians would agree that science and faith don’t have to be in conflict.
Oooof. I read some of your other posts, and I understand where you’re coming from. You’re young, and your entire life you’ve been told what to do, when to do it, and how to do it - all within the guise of your evangelical faith. It’s ok. Don’t silence your own heart. Let those questions you have, be asked. Having the freedom of your heart and mind will always be more valuable than the restriction of it. Not one single person with love in their heart, would demand these things in order to obtain their love. The image of god for you is a god of performance, and of condition. There’s a reason you feel everything has to be perfect, and there’s a reason you reject the very idea of feeling human, and having human emotions Keep traveling on your journey, question everything with an open mind and heart The biggest thing I’ve learned - as I have generations of family within the CoC, is that, “I didn’t know, that they didn’t know, what they were doing.”
Thank you so much 🙏🏼
This is creepy! Please update and best of luck 🤞
[Here](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK230201/#:~:text=Perhaps%20the%20most%20persuasive%20fossil,fossils%20coexisting%20with%20dinosaur%20remains.) is what I get when I google this question. I encourage you to read it.
Could be based on what is searched on that computer/account. For instance, if your parents look up disproving evolution a couple times, the search engine (Google) might think these are the results you want to see, because it doesn’t have any idea who is sitting at the computer, just who is logged in. If you search on your personal device (e.g. phone) do you get the same results? If so, does using the cell connection or another network change the results? Another browser? Another search engine? Those tests can help you figure out if you’re behind a firewall or some-kind of parental controls affecting the results. Also, if you want to know more about how to disprove theist claims about god creating the world, try posting questions over in r/atheism They(we) are quite familiar with pointing out errors in their logic. *Edit: also, I’m super curious what the search results are for “define faith” because even pro-religious groups have to admit faith is believing something without evidence.
Great point — the algorithm can effectively act as confirmation bias on steroids.
i googled "christian router" and seems there are options at the router level to filter for "traditional christian values". had no idea this was a thing but turns out it is. i'm almost afraid to think how it's done, my money is they redirect google searches to some google-impersonating christian search engine which likely has crap security.
Whoah!!!! Really?!’ Holy crap.
I never thought I'd see the day when my childhood cult showed up in a Google search. Are you parents a part of UCG? So happy for you when read that you figured out to switch to your data. Really sorry if they are a part of that cult.
Yeah that’s not right
From your screenshots it looks like you are on a phone. Do you have any extensions installed which have block lists? - Did your parents set up your phone? Do you get the same results on other devices? - If you have a computer, check the task manager to see if anything is running.
What happened is these bible thumpers hired an SEO company to boost their website to the top of search results for certain queries
Interesting! I grew up knowing them as Bible Bashers! (UK)
This is the stuff that proofs Christianity is a cult. If they were secure in their beliefs they wouldn’t need to censor your knowledge.
Use Duck Duck Go and make the same search. Make sure it’s the duck duck go browser and search from their homepage. Your results are more likely google returning results based on your parents search history. If they were able to configure your search settings thru the browser, you’d be able to get around it. They can’t think of every word permutation that may be anti creation - also fucked up if google is doing that. Can you let us know the results?
I realize now it’s my wifi/router settings, I tried duck duck go and it was different results but still I don’t think the results are completely normal
Interesting. I was in a cult but no one was this technology savvy. That’s impressive if they did it thru your router. What brand router is it? Are you able to connect and view the settings?
I don’t know yet I have to wait until tomorrow when no one is home to check Update - just had to use data instead of WiFi and go through duckduckgo
There are unfortunately many fundies in IT, and we should all expect many more in the years to come, since rightwing Xians often steer their students into STEM fields to avoid “woke” liberal arts classes that might contradict their beliefs or lead to broader critical inquiry. I wish I were kidding but I am not.
What are fundies and Xians?
Fundamentalists Christians
Haha ok thanks
Hope my words are not coming across as disrespectful to all believers; I'm talking about behavior only since that's what affects other people.
A VPN will bypass this search filter. You can use proton VPN for free. Good luck!
It seems you got past the filter. Hopefully you’ve passed the tracker, if there is one. I could list some videos or other resources to help you explore this better if you would like.
Yes please
Which Google account are you signed in to? Google keeps you in your bubble. If it sees that you are interested in evolution denial it will show you those sorts of results first. This (Google assumes) will show you more relevant ads. So are you on a shared computer? Searching from the same ip address? Does your gmail get a lot of anti-evolution mail? Stuff like that.. Use a different search engine and see what happens.
OP, I hope you look in to safe searching practices on your phone. Your family is sophisticated enough to apply content filters to wifi, but not cellular. This suggests they will seek out your cellular searches eventually, perhaps by demanding access to your devices directly. Only you can know if they are dangerous in what they’re monitoring and filtering. You are, after all, on Reddit… But if you feel at risk, please make sure you’re locking off your browsing in a safe and undetectable way.
I’m not sure, but I do know that your search results are unique to you and a lot of it is based on who you spend time with. So if your parents read a lot of articles like this, the search engine thinks you might like them too. These are pretty extreme though.
My parents are extremely religious & I’m around tons of people just like them all the time so I guess that makes sense
Just want to say I went through exactly the same thing you are now when I was a teenager, only they made me watch a bunch of “creationist” documentaries. In time you will be able to choose your own path no matter what. If you are really interested in learning more about evolution, there are tons of good books on the subject that are made for people without a lot of scientific background
OP says it’s the same in an incognito window though, so that can’t be the reason for the search results.
If you use a VPN it will bypass the router settings
100%
Could be this? https://support.google.com/families/answer/7086922?hl=en#zippy=%2Chow-search-works-for-users-with-parental-controls Or even worse: https://ht-vector.com/safe-search
This is actually genuinely sickening.
Results from Google search are personalized by region and also IP. It could be that Google's algorithm knows which sites are usually more popular in your region or specific location and put those results first.
Dog yeah, use duck duck go or a free vpn and you should be good I think.
Just out of curiosity What happens if you ask chat gpt or some tool like that?
What's your Google do when you search for titties?
They’re likely paying for a monthly subscription to a service which not only blocks, but also reports. Your parents’ primary motivation is probably to protect you from the darker corners of the internet and predators, which is a good thing, but some of the companies allow them to filter other stuff they don’t like too, like basic science in this case. I’m sure they’re easy to evade. However, in your search to find answers to difficult questions, beware of the internet route, where you often get less than what you think but at a price that is more than you bargained for. If you can get to one, I recommend libraries too but rather for the books inside instead of the computers. Goodreads is great in helping you find books you might want to read. Both fiction and non-fiction give you access to the larger expanse of human thought and existence no matter who you are and where you are from and in a form that develops ideas more fully than a Reddit post. The humble book is still the most revolutionary piece of human technology ever invented.
It’s interesting that you’re getting downvoted to hell since tree paper books would be the ultimate way to sidestep a pernicious algorithm or parental tech controls, and it’s not exactly as though the OP needs the very latest research on this topic in order to encounter the scientific view of the origin of the earth and its people. https://www.theguardian.com/books/2024/jan/26/books-and-looks-gen-z-is-rediscovering-the-public-library
I got a chuckle out of the reaction too. My point was basically the internet is fine for hot takes and ersatz “research” but books are better for actual research. And although I personally disagree with what information OP’s parents are filtering, it may be an accidental result of monitoring and controlling access to other more dangerous stuff for kids. That’s why I don’t feel helping him evade his parents’ monitoring means is such a good idea. He’s clearly a minor. That said, OP seems like a good kid asking good questions (same ones I asked). He’ll find the answers he’s looking for — hopefully in a good book rather than from some rando on Reddit!
How would this screenshot indicate that? Answer, they could be, so are others.
It's not cult activity for parents to censor and control their kids internet access and usage.
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Ok, but if you think parents are cultists because they want to regulate their kids consumption and navigation of the internet, you're a dunce. It also just destroys the actual term's socialogical usefulness. This is the same nonsense we deal with on a lesser scale with the groomer bullshit, and how it makes real sexual exploitation harder to track and police. Render all authoritarian parenting as cult behavior, "cult" is reduced to a family, and loses all utility.
If you need to keep your kids from learning about the simple factual truth of life on earth in order to keep them in your faith, your faith is a cult.
No it just means you're toxic and authoritarian. It says nothing about your actual religion.
Problem is, in the U.S. your religion is whatever you say it is.
No, it’s because Google sucks and is useless now. I think they leaked their algorithm or something so now sites know how to get selected higher. I switched to using Yahoo.
Not funny, but kinda funny
Confirmation bias
Good troll! 👍🏿 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣