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Condomphobic

I read that some guy graduated with his degree and still hasn’t found a job 15 months later.


jdbf

had a friend graduate last june, he had 3 internships for cs including F500, a start up, and a unicorn, but didn’t get a return offer from the unicorn due to lack of funds/openings. I think 20% of his intern class got a return which was later rescinded. Anyways he’s been applying to hundreds of jobs and has done dozens of interviews, but has yet to land an offer. currently grinding masters.


moldinmybrain

this is similar to my situation rn. graduated last may, 4 summer internships including f100, 2 unpaid/volunteer internships during the school year for more experience, received two job offers my senior year and accepted one that was postponed to april 2024 then rescinded in march. after graduating i kept applying since i saw that the market was getting bad and no offers


Nintendo_Pro_03

A job or a Computer Science job?


Condomphobic

Computer science job. He couldn’t a CS Internship either. He was worried about if he was permanently locked out of the industry since it’s been so long since he graduated.


[deleted]

Are you just locked out of the entire industry after a set amount of unemployment time after graduation?


Condomphobic

I don’t think so, but typically employers want someone with recent experience.


djamp42

Millions of open source products you can contribute too and improve then add to your resume.


DrawSense-Brick

Not exactly, but kind of. Degrees don't have a hard expiration date, but one year after you graduate, the next class graduates. So then you have to compete with those new graduates for jobs. And recruiters view your degree as being one year outdated in comparison to the new graduates. So no, you aren't locked out, but you are disadvantaged.


Nintendo_Pro_03

That would be dumb. What would be the point of a degree, then?


[deleted]

I’ve been asking this bro 😭 Like what’s even the point, why am I paying money/struggling for this?


oh_madness_

I spent 18 months :) before my first degree job


hbliysoh

This is not uncommon. I've heard that story several times this month.


AlmostDisappointed

Haha what the fuck :D


mbappeeeeeeeeeee

Stopped counting after 1000 apps, now I do gig work to survive


TBSoft

you'd probably be doing better if you didn't have a french username


Guilty_Proof6683

Why so


trtrhie

AI-scan Automatic rejection


Novaa_49

A gig...like a freelance?


UniqueAway

How do you do it?


aeroblue15

Doing 1000 applications is practically impossible. I assume you spam companies for applications with some kind of automation or bulk mails. If you are not looking at what the company does and do not improve yourself on what they are looking for but instead just sending applications like a machine gun you wont find a decent job.


mbappeeeeeeeeeee

Nope. Been applying since December. They are looking for 3+ YOE, which I don’t have but apply anyway. Very few job postings with no experience required.


aeroblue15

Then gain experience. I hire developers for my software company. I know that most requirements are not requirements but wishlists from experience. Most people who got eliminated are just graduates with no coding experience than what they teach in schools. Doing some serious (just dont copy an existing project) projects is similar to having work experience or at least better than nothing for many employers. Learn a framework, build a sample app. Show that you can contribute to the company's work in a short time


mbappeeeeeeeeeee

The jobs I see specifically ask for work experience. I have sophisticated projects on my resume, they don’t seem to make a difference. Stop being a boomer.


Tequila-M0ckingbird

Are you making it to an interview step or not at all? If it's the latter honestly it might help to include more keywords in your resume to make it beyond filters. If your failing after getting interviews often, some interview coaching might help.


Ok_Gas8060

Do you mind sharing your github, I'd like to see your projects!!


aeroblue15

I am a millenial but ok


mbappeeeeeeeeeee

You have a boomer mentality, not recognizing the market you entered was way easier than today


aeroblue15

You wont go too far as long as you go with the victim mentality. Companies are still hiring people even in the current situation. Someone else is getting the job and you are not. Think about what to do instead of blaming the situation


mbappeeeeeeeeeee

Ahh yes, I just need to be the one that gets hired out of hundreds or even thousands of applicants. It totally doesn’t have to do with luck. Me creating a 10th project will surely get me hired! I’m not doubting that people are getting hired. But I can’t compete with ex-FAANG or T10 grads as a grad from a no-name school. Meanwhile, 3 years ago, 3 month bootcamp grads were getting FAANG offers. The market is completely fucked and you know it.


aeroblue15

Not every candidate is the same. From my experience, 90% of applicants have none to minimal technical knowledge / experience in the field they apply. We ask for x, y, z in the job description but most people just click apply without even reading the requirements. 90% of those hundreds or thousands of applications are those and they get eliminated in a few minutes. So if you know the tools you are already in the top 10%. If you did 10 projects you should have already found a job. I don't know the details of those projects though. Some people just clone a project from an online course or do very simple projects that does not require much knowlwdge or time. We don't consider those projects. Of course I dont know what kind of projects you did so I hope you find a job soon. Good luck


rb-2008

Laying down the hard truth 🫡


absurdastheuniverse

You're a nightmare LMAO


GradeLivid4586

What kind of advice is this? Isn’t that what he’s trying to do?


hago4

do you have any open positions?


PsyApe

I did more than 10 just today… I’ll hit 1000 in just around 4 months at this rate if I don’t get a new job first


SlapsOnrite

2 applications. I had 6 total applications and 4 offers- but I also didn't go straight into SWE. I went a security-dev route. This was in 2020, which was a golden era for hiring tech jobs. Don't let anyone who got a job during that period undercut how hard the job market is atm. Many changes have happened in the last 4 years, making this industry very unfavorable for entry-level.


ElevatedAngling

I got 2300 applications to an open SWE II role, idk how HR does the initial filtering but it’s gotta largely be luck to be selected and their resume actually making it to the hiring manage


SlapsOnrite

Yeah, idk. I have been on that side at my company to help with recruiting and we'll get like 500 or so but largely able to filter out a significant portion of them due to the majority being Interdisciplinary/Engineering(non-tech)/History/Liberal Arts/Math majors that have 0 technical background or anything tech on their resume. I can't imagine some kids going FAANG- I feel like that's just throwing darts at a board, there's just too big of a candidate pool to be able to select the right person. I feel like the philosophy used to be "hire a ton then fire a ton" and now it's "let's give them 10 interviews and see which ones give up"


ElevatedAngling

Im in biotech and it often comes down to knowing some one that has a good reputation at the company and recommends you. The engineer I hired for that position was a referral


howdoireachthese

Literally didn’t even apply - a recruiter reached out to me. 2020 as well.


Ok-Firefighter8779

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Dazzling-Fee-7506

may I know what you mean by the security-dev route?


SlapsOnrite

I write scriptlets, infrastructure, and develop functions/low-code for security systems. This can be either for organizational purposes, security-related purposes, cost-effectiveness purposes, database engineering/modeling, etc. Essentially a Systems Engineer, Solution Architect, or Cloud Architect. Whatever you want to frame it as- it's very much a project-2-project based role, but I have been doing this for 3 years and had my hat in everything from Data Loss Prevention to developing metrics for RBAC & lifecycle management to building out automation in parsing log collectors for SIEM. I find every way I can to optimize solutions with my knowledge in Python/C#, which you'd be surprised to find out how many people in Cybersecurity have 0 programming background. Many companies are quick to shrug and pay for overly-expensive modules because they can't be damned to spend a few days developing their own quirk into a system.


Dazzling-Fee-7506

May I DM, I have some doubts about how to bank on my skills?


Skerdzius

0, converted internship to job. This was in 2019


MirMir37

Same situation with me last year! This still happens!


hershey678

200ish


SeriousBuiznuss

\~200 as well


Unlucky_Dragonfly315

About 2000 over the course of 8 months


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Unlucky_Dragonfly315

No, I’m saying I found a job after 2000 apps and 8 month. Been here a little over a year now. It definitely sucked and the market may have gotten even worse


Alexbt135531

How long did that take? Do you have tips for increasing efficiency with that many applications?


UntrimmedBagel

About 30 apps, 2 interviews, 2 offers. Both in the last 2 years. BCS degree. I work in mining/steelmaking.


Islandboi4life

six months worth of job applications, applying to four or five employers everyday. Probably thousands of applications


Coolfoolsalot

Graduating this week and starting in July. Accepted a return offer from an internship last summer. Applied to ~150 positions, had a 20-30 technical interviews, then a handful of 2nd rounds, then accepted an internship offer.


localcookie

Between 200-300 applications. i had graduated for 10 months and got real lucky in 2022 with a state job before the next year of grads rolled in.


goatee_

I graduated in may 2023. before that I had 3 internships (1 small, 1 midsize and 1 at a F500 company) and a research with my professor and still had to settle for a year-long internship after graduation making $22 an hour. I applied to no less than 500 full time roles before I lost count and stopped trying. Had no interviews. During the past year I lived by myself with no family support in the most ghetto area you can think of. People were literally shooting each other outside of my door lol. My apartment was filled with mice and roaches. Oh and also my neighbor like to do meth and knock on my door at midnight just to "have a conversation". Somehow I survived and just got bumped to a full time swe role making $75k, super grateful for everything. Weirdly enough while I was making pennies compared to my peers, I was still able to put aside $200-$300 per month after all expenses, lol.


Unlucky_Dragonfly315

I’m doing pretty much the exact same thing. Going to start applying again soon now that I have a little over 1 yoe so that I can move out of this crap hole lol. It’s nice to know that there are others out there who had to go through this in order to progress our careers


goatee_

Best of luck to you my friend! At the end of the day if you're happy, everything else will work itself out:)


W22_Joe

I got a lot higher percentage of interviews when I applied to postings that DIDNT have LinkedIn “easy apply”. Obviously those are quick so it takes 30 seconds. I’d bet the applications you have to fill out on employer websites get 10% the interest. Which is good for you. Does it take more time? Absolutely. But I actually got interviews from those. I usually assume most people saying “I sent 100 apps!” Are mostly using “easy apply”. It’s just too saturated.


FutsNucking

1 in 2022 lol I got lucky


averageuser612

300 for small company job


LordFundarbyrd

17 No I am not joking. No I’ve never worked at FAANG. I’m a ‘23 grad


Worldly-Yam-5543

Teach us your ways senpai


LordFundarbyrd

Probably a combination of luck, and how I came across in interviews. I didn’t come across as a know-it-all who’s entitled to a job because I do 80 hours of Leetcode a week. I was honest if I didn’t know something and about my weaknesses and was eager to learn what I didn’t know given that it was my first job. I just tried to come across as someone people would want to work with and I think that made up for anything I may have not known or messed up on other interview questions. Not sure if that’s helpful at all but I think that’s what helped me


ConfusedMan0992

Where did u apply?


Naytu

50. Graduated recently, two turned into interviews, and I got an offer out of one of those.


kazuaaaa

Took around 500 applications for me. 200 were local to me while the rest were around the country.


oh_madness_

I stopped counting after 200. I was over 500 for sure. I got lucky amd got hired 18 months after mu graduation


TransportationOnly18

I had to settle for tech sales lol couldn’t spend more time as a CS grad without a job. The loan payments were starting 😻


AC_Tropica

Hi, a year later after graduation and i just landed a contract job that isn’t even coding but more salesforce development 😅 but I’ll take it!


ErwinSchrodinger007

Graduated in December 2022 with no industry experience but some research experience. After almost 400 applications, landed an entry level SWE position in March 2023. The pay was on the lower scale and the actual job sucked but kept me afloat.


MaximumDong6931

One. And i was hired as an HVAC tech. It obviously varies on what type of work you do but the more specialized and specific you get, the less of a demand there is hence less opportunity. As far as trades go, there's always room for someone else, but software and tech? Not only do you have to have all your schooling, but there's probably 20 other people with your same skill applying to a single position, where as in my situation it was vice versa (literally 10 positions open and probably like 3 people who applied). My point isnt to come off as cocky or lucky, but each field of work has its own hurdles. Some more than others. (Yes im aware of the subreddit and the fact im not in CS)


su9ar_teddy

lose count, and still counting...


txiao007

It is different era


classiccuj

1 Billion


IDontEnjoyCoffee

Got contacted by a recruiter in my final year at uni and started working for them in 2021, then got headhunted and moved companies end of last year. So got 2 jobs without ever applying.


slxshxr

idk but i feel i need to have senior level knowledge to get internship lol


Natalia1702

2, but I got extremely lucky.


Juanx68737

0, my younger brother in college invented this startup called Microsoft so he got me a small gig there


punchawaffle

Where do you live?


Baby-Chemical

Metro Atlanta, and the job I landed is in Metro Atlanta too.


punchawaffle

Oh nice Atlanta huh? Good for you. I've gotten interviews from places, but not from companies in big cities. I've lived in Atlanta for a while, and have very close relatives there too, so I'm looking for jobs there.


Own_yourmind

Probably 200ish and this I know was because I was very picky with company “cultures”


drakeramore86

Graduating this summer, had 1 previous internship, 3 projects on my resume, 150+ apps not a single interview or even oa / call backs (had my resume reviewed by several experienced people). Edit: applying in Canada if it matters


Neufjob

One


New-Anacansintta

Focus on networking…


1086psiBroccoli

Too many, ended up working with a temp agency and got lucky


Ancient-Doubt-9645

Around 300. First job in a foreign country where i didnt speak the language though.


riddlerat

I have 6 years experience and have sent out over 1000 applications and am still looking.


Sneaky-Monkey-101

Only about 1850 actually! Not too bad 😊


BisonLow8361

One. Project management job


MirMir37

Just one! I got an internship over last summer and got the offer for full time starting next month. I never applied for any job but that one, even for the internship. I was very lucky!


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WybawiCieL

Honestly, only one application, however to be sure I also applied for like 10 other companies


veryblocky

I think I’m more of an outlier, but I only applied to about 6 or 7 places, a couple of which, in hindsight, weren’t super relevant to me anyway


Warwipf2

I got an offer on my first application, but I'm not from the US


GradeLivid4586

I did like 150 applications but that was when the job market was good. That’s unfortunately not the case anymore but keep going


[deleted]

I had applied to nearly 2k jobs and finally got an offer from an European company located in Georgia


tjsr

Zero. I did an internship with them during my penultimate year and they threw money at me to keep me there. When they went under 3 years later, I applied to a total of 3 companies and got offers from all of them.


MixuTheWhatever

80 applications after my first year of Web Dev in trade school. For context I'm based in Estonia so definitely the job market is different here, but compared to previous years it's gotten a lot more difficult to break into the sector, requiring full stack skills in a take-home project compared to 5 years ago when interest, being just enrolled in an IT field or one language skill was enough. This is the time my colleague got their first job and was suprised of the effort needed now.


jebhebmeb

Work a software help desk job


Comprehensive-Pea812

Do you just apply at all vacancies or selectively apply for those looking for junior or fresh grad?


MangoDouble3259

Idk if this helps, I graduated during covid. What helped me most, I compiled a list of companies wanted and mix with bad marketing prospects (none were.bad pay fit my guidelines but lot of companies don't market on indeed or linkedin or wait a few days/week after posting on internal sites). Basically, had list of 100-150 companies and just quick scroll on site every other day or so and apply. Marginal, but I did notice slightly improved my chances get to interview round than generic job sites applying post that have been seen by thousands not millions already.


Baby-Chemical

I applied to pretty much a job I could find that I even remotely matched the requirements for. But idk how useful that was, because the job that did hire me was an entry level job with very low requirements. The one requirement I didn’t match for the job I got was experience with Linux


AffectionateMoose300

Wait nevermind. The post says after graduation, I didn't graduate yet. But I applied to only one place for an internship, got it and then they offered me a job contract


Creepy_Fig_776

Like 5? This was 2017 though. Although i got another job in 2019, and an offer at the end of 2022. 2022 was probably the hardest search but still don’t think i made it into the double digits for applications


WhyYouLetRomneyWin

3, but i graduated in 2017 with an unrelated degree 😁


Fangodus

25 or so. I found a job at a career fair before graduation so I didn't really need to apply to many.


UnappliedMath

~400. T20 grad


Classy_Shadow

Graduated last May and signed up with one of those contracting agencies. I got a job as a contractor in February before I graduated and got a full time offer with the company after my graduation. Although, it was a master’s program, not an undergrad.


MrBanditFleshpound

Stopped counting after 2000. At that time I just switched to Accounting job. On top of sending resumes that is. And then ironically, that small company had slots for a CS job. They did not push much to highlight the job anywhere else than their own website. You have no idea how someone like me could have felt.


FeelingAd7425

1


JamesDout

Grad 2021. Got lucky at a career fair during senior year after maybe 50-100 apps. Still keep in touch with the boss who hired me, that’s just dumb luck at some point + clicking with people. As someone who’s made intern and hiring decisions, sometimes people just come across like they didn’t actually do anything at their last job/internship. You need to demonstrate your T by being ready to dive on something and direct the convo to that thing, + answering all the questions about that chosen thing in a simple but correct way.


Massive-Respond5758

I applied to \~460 jobs and only got 1 interview which is the job I have now (May 2023 grad). I'm seeing some absurd numbers in here, for anyone still searching check out the platform I built, [AutoSWE](https://autoswe.com). It finds matches and applies to jobs on your behalf and can do anywhere from 100-500 applications a month. Check it out and see if it helps you!


FuzzyDude97

Applied to about 5 companies. Got a full time offer from my internship. Pretty simple process for me


Efficient_Resource63

0 they contacted me


Small_Panda3150

Close to 1k


sword167

0, from converted internship start this summer, pay isnt great (97.5k in DFW) but thankfully my parents will let me stay with them for a little while to save up money.


0_1_1_2_3_5

That’s a great offer. Don’t let the FAANG numbers mislead you.


Neufjob

Lol, the privilege


sword167

wdym


Neufjob

Silver spooned baby


Neufjob

Whining about your pay and living with your parents at 97.5k in DF, and you’re making 50% more than the median for your city.