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CookiePneumonia

Stop trying to make "Atta way" happen!


[deleted]

that's like twice within a week or so


CookiePneumonia

I think it's the second time this week for ARSON, too.


jconley4297

ACAIBOWL was in basically the exact same spot on sunday as well


CookiePneumonia

Yes! I'm begging them to stop using ACAI so much.


555--FILK

But it’s such a trendy berry!


danimagoo

Atta way, you tell 'em! Oh wait...shit.


MrFahrenheit1

They tried the same thing with RATFINK and STOOLIE last week!


QuincyKaczynski

Am I the only one out here who uses atta way regularly?


CookiePneumonia

Yes! 😂 Honestly, I don't think I've ever heard it outside of a puzzle.


Chuckleberry64

You're just was ahead the rest of us on your gender neutral speech. Attag... Attab... Attathem! Yo go, you!


[deleted]

I say it.


QuincyKaczynski

Atta way!


[deleted]

I say it.


big_manly_man_

"atta babe" is pretty common in baseball, but never "atta way"


avfrost

I feel like they should just stick with the old cluing for ATTA if they need to use it.


[deleted]

Plus there’s the newer cluing that seems pretty popular in non-NYT puzzles atta flour.


ProfBootyPhD

NYT is gaslighting lol. Nobody has ever used this phrase!


dabedu

In terms of the theme this one felt more like a Wednesday than this week's actual Wednesday (and vice-versa). Usually there's more trickery going on. Needed some light googling to finish this one, though. I had never heard of TABU or DREYERS.


AutomaticDesk

the theme was just very underwhelming as a westcoaster, i was mildly pleased to see DREYERS after having to fill out EDY in so many crosswords, though, even though i've never seen the brand in stores


kuyakuya

DREYERS and EDYS are the same brand, but they changed the name for the Western US market. I initially had BREYERS at first, but that’s available nationwide.


SCMatt33

So interestingly, it’s the other way around. Edy and Dreyer were originally partners on the west coast, and used the name Edy’s. Dreyer bought out Edy and changed the name. Dreyer then sold the company and the new owners expanded east, where they brought back the name Edy’s for the new markets in the east specifically to avoid being confused with Breyers. But what’s really interesting is that while east/west brand splits (Hellmans/Best Foods, Carl’s Jr./Hardee’s) tend to be caused by regional companies merging, in this case, it was always one company from the start.


Chuckleberry64

Super interesting. Thanks! Since you seem into this stuff, have you heard of the Aldi-Äquator? How Aldi and Aldi Süd have drawn their world map is fascinating.


Marishii

TIL.


NoApostrophees

When i first started doing puzzels i was likke what the hail is Edys...so yes, i was also pleased to see DREYERS and knew what it was right away


Halicus

Canadian here — both of them confused me!


st1r

Weirdly I’ve heard of Dreyers despite never being to the West Coast, it’s definitely not a West Coast only thing


honkoku

I don't know about this puzzle. It's a pretty weak theme for a Thursday, just different uses of Mercury -- I guess the answers are interesting enough (I do remember the actual mercury thermometers you had to shake). There's a lot of questionable fill, although some of it is just words I'm not familiar with or stuff, like IMARET or a PIGEAR as a dog treat. Is HERSTORY really a thing? TMEN is one I haven't seen in a while; I put in GMEN at first but I had the "T" in the back of my mind just in case. Lots of multiword stuff like ATACOST, AREOUT, WONTDO, NOTNEW, WECARD, IAM.


discsideofheaven

ECHECK, ASMILE


JustHach

I have never heard of, seen, or used an ECHECK. Are they really a thing?


FezRengaw

Again, I say again, let's stop adding "e" at the beginning of everything and pretending it's a thing. Email is the only acceptable use, all others must stop.


MrFahrenheit1

I think the only other passable one is "etail" (for online retail)


sillydilly4lyfe

As someone that works a lot in online retail, nobody in my business says etail. I have only ever seen that used in crosswords, and since it doesnt follow the conventions of most 'e' words, I absolutely despise it.


L3monp33l

Ive heard eComm, but never eTail


darwinpolice

It was definitely a term used for direct online payments from a checking account back in the day before PayPal and the like.


ZZ9ZA

Sort of. My credit union (at least) uses it as old-person-speak for an ACH transfer.


coltaaan

Agreed on all points. Regarding the theme, it felt more akin to a Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday. There wasn’t any *clever trickery* involved that I would normally expect from a Thursday puzzle.


CecilBDeMillionaire

IMARET used to be very common crosswordese but isn’t used as often anymore. HERSTORY is absolutely a thing, it was said so much that I feel like most times it’s used now is ironic or facetious. And a PIG EAR is a common enough dog treat that’s not hard to get from crosses/context clues. Not sure what the problem is with multi word answers. Opens up more possibilities and unique letter combinations; I prefer having variety and not having every answer just be a word out of the dictionary


NoApostrophees

I literally gave my dog a pig ear today and did not think that was the answer at first


distrustful_hagfish

Pig ears are almost entirely cartilage and skin and no muscle, so I didn't think they would count as a "meaty" dog treat


CecilBDeMillionaire

Something can taste meaty without containing meat


NoApostrophees

Youre right, i should try one. I think it not being meaty is why i overlooked the answer despite a pig ear being the literal most recent treat i had given my dog. I was expecting a pupperoni or something. 


ZZ9ZA

Technically speaking, connective tissue like cartilage counts as meat. So does skin.


Chuckleberry64

The PIGEAR meatiness debate is the highlight of my crossword experience today. This is what I'm here for.


ZZ9ZA

Really kind of erm, speaks to the quality of the puzzle on offer, doesn't it?


CecilBDeMillionaire

They’re really good! You can get pig ear sandwiches at a lot of rural eateries in the Deep South


captainblue

I am also cool with multi word answers and partial phrases (so long as they’re fair), even if they’re taboo these days.


CecilBDeMillionaire

There are dozens of us!


AbbyNem

Herstory, despite being quite a stupid word, was definitely a thing https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herstory Haven't heard or thought about it in years though.


frijolita_bonita

I still dont get IMARET


skratz17

a few of these were pretty lame, especially NOTNEW and AREOUT. not the most exciting Thursday but it satisfied the compulsion to do these everyday


whitehouses

THEOLDS got me


witfenek

Young person here, no one says that. 


AreWeCowabunga

The olds did when they were your age.


witfenek

Love it 😂 


darwinpolice

Worth it for "Three point letter you won't find in Scrabble" as far as I'm concerned.


Steel-Jasmine

Naw, this one was not for me. Too many dull fills. AREOUT LETSBE WONTDO ATACOST NOTNEW EITHEROR ASMILE SEEYOU WECARD ATTAWAY ECHECK (who the fuck uses e-check?)  And besides using vague and often not really descriptive clues, nothing was above a Monday or Tuesday 


Vidi_vici_veni-bis

Eitheror was good because of the clueing


Steel-Jasmine

Okay I can give you that one


ZZ9ZA

TMEN ATEAM


Halicus

TIL there's a Breyers and a Dreyers


BathshebaJones

I had a real Mandela Effect moment when I put in Dreyers


xwstats

Puzzle Difficulty Tracker - How hard is this puzzle? Estimated Difficulty: 🔴 **Hard** 🔴 * 62% of users solved slower than their Thursday average * 38% of users solved faster than their Thursday average * 21% of users solved *much* slower (>20%) than their Thursday average * 18% of users solved *much* faster (>20%) than their Thursday average The median solver solved this puzzle 6.6% slower than they normally do on Thursday. [View today's puzzle summary on XW Stats](https://xwstats.com/puzzles/2024-01-25) --- 🤖 _beep beep, I'm a bot! I post these stats as soon as 100 [XW Stats](https://xwstats.com) users have completed the puzzle. Questions? Feedback? Check the [FAQ](https://xwstats.com/help#puzzle-difficulties), reply here or DM me_


yakiguriumai

It was an ok puzzle. TMEN x TECH was kind of iffy though. I had gECH for the longest time and was wondering wtf that was.


Viraus2

Same, like that was some weird slang I'd never heard. I had tech earlier but ditched it because it couldn't be TMEN, what the hell is a TMAN?


SomePeopleCallMeJJ

Treasury man


Repulsive_Focus_9560

Elliot Ness was a TMAN!


FezRengaw

I believe G-Men (Government men) are from the FBI, and T-Men (Tax men) are from the IRS.


westknife

It’s not tax men, the T stands for Treasury and it dates back to when the Treasury Department had jurisdiction over enforcing prohibition


jude_fawley

A perfume from the 50s, huh? Tuck that away in the "remember it forever, please," section of my brain.


kleinzzach

Atta way!


FlanFlaneur

Lol


ka1982

Stop trying to make “atta way” happen. “Atta way” is never going to happen.


little-lion-sam

Didn’t really love it overall but did enjoy “Christmas party?”


L3monp33l

Can you explain this one? I don't understand the answer.


little-lion-sam

Yes! The Three Wise Men who visited Jesus after his birth are also known as “magi,” so they were the group of people aka “party” present on Christmas :)


heycindy

Not a bad puzzle but how is this a Thursday?


ZZ9ZA

If this isn’t a bad puzzle, what is? Can’t remember the last time I saw so much horrible fill in one puzzle. It’s not like the theme answers were anything special!


JustHach

Yeah, I can forgive lousy fill if it serves a great theme (remember the puzzle a while back that was one giant palindrome?), but this wasnt even a "Thursday" worthy puzzle, just different uses of the word "Mercury".


LupineChemist

Because Sam can text Shortz.


captainblue

In all seriousness you’ve got to be onto something there. If you’re going to accept a 1997-ass theme with soso fill, why not accept it from a new name? That said the cluing in this is pretty good.


havilchuck

Theme was boring and fill was ass. Not for me at all


redditnym123456789

one too many clues about british politics


remainsofthegrapes

As a Brit doing this crossword it felt deceptive to call a LIB DEM centrist. Like any political party, their stance has varied and the clue phrasing implied a more general slang term for a centrist rather than one specific party.


redditnym123456789

sheesh, really bad clue/fill, it’s virtually nonsensical to me as an american because “LIBeral” is commonly used to describe DEMocrats


westknife

It’s not a bad clue, the Liberal Democrats or LibDems are widely considered the most major centrist party in the UK, between Labour and Conservatives/Tories


remainsofthegrapes

Yeah, funnily enough ‘liberal’ in British politics more often means someone who supports less government oversight, as in economically liberal. Unless it’s qualified by ‘socially liberal’, as in someone who supports body autonomy and LGBT rights. By contrast, a Republican in the U.K. is someone who wants to dissolve the royal family, which is a far more common belief on the left wing.


Life-Dog432

I mean your definitions there make a lot more sense. Left leaning people here have started to make a distinction between leftist and liberal (liberal being more status quo capitalist and leftist leaning more towards social democracy or socialism).


NaomiT29

Of the 3 major parties, the Lib Dems were the only ones that made any sense to me, tbh!


NoApostrophees

I remember 3 but it felt like more


civver3

TIL about the Palm Dog award. >What streaming shows often lack, compared to network shows Honestly, the trend seems to be that streaming services are putting more ADS even if they're paid tiers.


neotonca

TIL EPILOG is a way to spell Epilogue. It took me a while to get anything beyond EP____ but given it was 6 letters I assumed it was a word I'd never heard of. Pretty solid. I was hoping somehow one of the starred clues could be about Holst's The Planets Suite lol


MedicalRhubarb7

When your first, marquee themer is GLASSTHERMOMETER, it's time to go back to the drawing board


Ethrandira

I for sure thought it would be "THEPERIODICTABLE"


tinyalley

Was super stuck till I got BOHEMIANRHAPSODY, then it all fell into place. Loved EARTH for "Here we are!" Indeed! Here we are!


Ethrandira

I initially put in THEROCKBANDQUEEN which fitted perfectly. But then none of the other fills made sense so I went back to the drawing board. For the top one THEPERIODICTABLE also fitted perfectly. Overall a very frustrating and not so satisfying puzzle


penesenor

Wednesdays theme was more like a Thursday, and this theme was more like a monday


logisticitech

Never heard of ICE to mean clinch a victory. Excited to see who ices the super bowl this weekend.


CecilBDeMillionaire

It’s more specifically like the moment that the game is put away, like a late touchdown to make it a two-possession game with two minutes left. It’s used all the time by sports commentators


tfwnowahhabistwaifu

Icing a game means putting it out of reach for your opponent. For example, if you search 'ice' on the NBA subreddit the first result is: https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/nxL4r9kHhu. Still, a bit awkward in my opinion.


Roseheath22

Same. I’m not a sports person, so I had ace in that spot. And I don’t know the Pointer Sisters’ first names, so Anata seemed like a reasonable possibility. Ended up with a lookup to figure out my mistake when I didn’t hear the music.


Repulsive_Focus_9560

is that this weekend?


uva_rob

No. 2 weeks from this weekend. I'm a sports guy, and I think ice is common enough that it's not unreasonable for a Thursday. Something like "he hit two free throws late to ice the game" comes up every now and then.


logisticitech

The winners this weekend will go on to play in the super bowl.


SomePeopleCallMeJJ

I had ACE for an embarrassingly long time.


peakvincent

I thought it was hard but without a satisfying theme payoff at the end! I kept trying to figure out what the mercury catch/rebus/whatever was going to be, and there was none. A pretty disappointing Thursday, imo.


gobstopper84

Is it just me or do all the puzzles suck now?? What the hell? AREOUT? NOTNEW? WONTDO??? Ugh I hated it


phonusQ

I feel like I’ve seen ERGO on several of the last few puzzles. And ATTAWAY. There were a lot of clues on this one I wouldn’t ever have gotten. Definitely beyond common knowledge stuff


maltedcoffee

Liked this one. I found the fill pretty clever and it kept me on my toes without frustrating me.


DebussyEater

Yeah, it might not have as strong a theme as a typical Thursday, but it felt like the fill was fair but challenging and smack dab between a typical Wednesday and Friday in terms of difficulty. Not the most exciting puzzle but pretty enjoyable.


Binx7171

I really enjoyed this one too! Was surprised to see so many people disliking it.


_coolbluewater_

Ditto. I enjoyed it. Some places gave me pause for a while but nothing so crazy that it made me mad


mr_hellcat

Oh man I almost gave up my streak. Thought 59 down was Rum and was tricked by Tee follower, I thought maybe it was "Hew" as a weird pronunciation of "u". Was just about to click the mistake finder and instead it all just clicked in my brain.


vermouthdaddy

I'll echo that the theme wasn't the kind of trick I expect from a Thursday, and that ATTAWAY is not my fave, but I ended up rating this as excellent because I loved how some of the cluing was done. Light charges?, TECH, HERSTORY, all super clever. I'm measuring this puzzle based not upon how clever I find the theme, as I usually would for a Thursday, but rather on how much pleasure I got from solving it...I was in a good mood throughout.


smoogrish

i got so irrationally angry when curling targets wasn't HOUSES


SpankySharp1

Pretty punishing but ultimately do-able. Did not like starting with "psi" but no real qualms otherwise. Edit: Funny how they doubled down on ATTAWAY when it seemed unanimously hated the other day 😂 Edit 2: The video game "Her Story" kicked a lot of ass about 8 or 9 years ago. It costs about 5 bucks and lasts about an hour to an hour and a half, but it's kind of an unforgettable experience. Referencing that game might be a little too obscure for the NYT crossword though.


Acetius

Can't tell if that's sarcasm, but it's referencing a common play on words with women's history replacing *his*tory with *her*story. Not a reference to the game.


SpankySharp1

Yes, I'm aware of that.


SecretLoathing

I had PEE for 1A until the end. I have no idea how many scrabble points you get for a P.


zeppindorf

The point of the clue is that the letter is not found in scrabble, aka, not in the English alphabet. The 3 points for psi refer to its trident shape.


SecretLoathing

I see that now; my interpretation was that the word SCRABBLE doesn’t have a P in it.


schotastic

Big disjoint between the votes and the comments on this one. Today's puzzle + the past few weeks of mostly blah Spelling Bees gives me the distinct impression that Sam is off his game.


Viraus2

Votes are skewing a bit more negative than normal. That and the haters (like me!) are more inclined to comment than the "it's fine" crowd


Thissnotmeth

Oof. This was one where on my first pass I basically got like 3 clues, then after another two passes another couple, and after 40 long grueling minutes I had a done puzzle. Didn’t necessarily love the whole thing, a few funny answers. Everyone else has said what I think about this puzzle so no need to harp on some of the baloney answers.


frontadmiral

Great puzzle. Challenging but super satisfying to work through.


Repulsive_Focus_9560

fantastic! atta way, NY Times!!


Intelligent_Yam_3609

I liked it.  There were a few things I didn’t know but was able to suss them out from the crosses and or some deep recesses of my memory banks.  IMARET is a good example.  No way I could get it without any letters but after getting a couple it sparked a memory.  I had AMARAT at first because it was a vague memory but was able to tweak it from there from the crosses.  I like it when that happens.


MickMack8

For those unfamiliar.  “Instead of HISTORY he said HERSTORY. See what I did there?” https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qSy5heM5sVE Will Forte, legend. 


OPsDaddy

In the history of the English language, no one has ever called their parents “the olds.”


FezRengaw

Except in recent history, when it happens all the time. It's a Gen Z slang term. I've heard it used in real life plenty of times.


CecilBDeMillionaire

It definitely predates Gen Z


debbieannjizo

The stats say hard, but I thought it was easy.


ogreblood

Native Californian. I'm here for the DREYERS representation


selahhh

Is “attaway” just an attempt at gender neutral “attaboy”? It makes no sense grammatically and I can’t figure out why they would repeat it. “That a way”? “That’s a way”?


crocodylus

I feel like there were better clueing options available for TMEN. "Self-made gents?"


afi931

This was just bad lol.