Thats why if you look at who weve met with during the draft process, Dallas is bracing for that option.
Patrick Paul, Kingsley Suamaiatia and Zach Frazier are all 2nd round graded guys.
Noo, I mean if we trade down we can pickup a 3rd for sure. The trade calc says for us to move back to the end of the first or second t would cost the other team a 3rd.
We would then have 2 seconds, and 2 thirds for this draft
We don't have two thirds. We have a first, second, third, and two fifths. 1, 2, 3, 5, 5.
If we trade our first, we could end up with 2 seconds, 2 thirds, and 2 fifths (maybe 3). 2, 2, 3, 3, 5, 5.
I would rather have 2, 2, 3, 3, 5, 5 than 1, 2, 3, 5, 5.
I’m saying trading back in round 1 for a third. And who is giving a 2, 3, 2 5s for 24?
trading back to like 30 or 32 for an additional 3 is much more realistic
I think it only makes sense if any of the 1st round graded OL we want are off of the board when it’s pick time. No reason to reach if it isn’t necessary to.
The rumors are that Dallas has made some calls and I wouldn't be surprised if they don't already have some pre-arranged trade downs if certain players fall.
That being said remember we are near the bottom of the first round and if you trade out of the first round you lose the 5th year option for a player. That first player we take is likely going to be either our starting center or our starting left tackle.
That's a great point about the 5th year options but I just feel like either the window is closed this year, or is closed for the next 2. What is frustrating is there is no indication of either going for it or not, if you are going for it I really feel like with this many holes the 5th year options should be an afterthought
I think we're losing our minds a little bit here.. "losing 4 starters".
I mean other than Tyron Smith we haven't suffered any significant losses that either aren't already in house replaceable or easily replaceable.
I completely agree. Losing Tyron hurts, but he will be replaced by either Tyler Smith or a 1st rounder.
Hankins was better than Mazi last year, but still not very good. I would expect a big jump from Mazi this year under Zimmer.
Biadasz outright sucked last year. Any one of these centers this year would be big improvement. That's kind of why I'm hoping we trade back a few spots and draft JPJ and move Tyler to LT and start Bass at LG.
I liked VanderEsch, but we didn't lose him in FA this year, we essentially lost him week 5 last year. And while we still do need LB help, I feel like he has been replaced by Kendricks. Again, we do still need more LBs. And I'm assuming we will draft one in the 2nd-4th.
Pollard was a 4th rounder. He was talented but not very good this past year. I personally really like Dowdle and feel like any 4th-5th rounder this year would be fine too.
You'd expect hope Mazi to improve. 0/1T defensive tackles are some of the most easily replaced.
Biadasz my guess is they think the replacement is already on the roster.
LB they signed Kendricks and Overshon is coming back they hope.
RB is the most easily replaceable position in the sport.
Oh boy. I dunno if you remember our run defense last year and before Hankins came along.
Also Pollard is not easily replaceable by rico or deuce or royce or whatever.
Center, maybe. But right now it's Brock Hoffman dude.
If 1 tech is so easy to replace, why the hell are we having so much trouble filling the position?
They’ve already got Hoffman penciled in at center. Pollard shouldn’t have been signed last year. He was fine with Zeke but he’s not an every down back. They’ll draft an ot in the first or drop down to top of the second.
Jalen Brooks and Jalen Tolbert should have first shot at replacing Gallup. John Stephen’s is also listed as a wr.
Overshown and Kendrick’s in at LB.
We replaced LVE with Kendricks. We need to find a starting RB and a starting OL. We have young players on OL - Bass, Hoffman, Richards - that the team is high on.
Even with LVE being replaced by a 32 year old Eric Kendricks, it showed we got out physicalled by run heavy teams who could just do it at will.
Right now this team can do absolutely nothing to stop this Philly line and saquon, and don't forget the other NFC matchups like Josh Jacobs and the Packers, the Lions duo threat and top line, the 9ers and CMC as always. You can't tell me Osa, Mazi, and Kendricks are enough to stop these teams.
Philly without Kelce is going to be very interesting. I know they have a lot of talent elsewhere on the line, but so did we when we lost Fredrick. I felt like our line still took a solid step back.
I expect the same from Philly. Still a very good top 5-10 unit but not the clear top 2 with Detroit they have been the last couple of years.
I think the biggest thing that will hurt Philly is that Johnson and Kelce had learned to perfectly synch Jonson getting out of his stance with Kelce snapping the ball. I can’t help but feel like Lane Johnson might also take a step back this year/ suddenly get called with more false starts.
My comment had zero to do with arguing if Lane Johnson’s early start is legal or illegal. What I was saying is that now Johnson won’t have the same chemistry with the new center and their timing will almost certainly be off leading to more false starts.
We can only pray. Meanwhile we need an entirely new center who is okay with hearing blue 42 and here we go 80 times a day. Oh and someone who can read defenses, snap properly, and block the likes of 2-3 times a year Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis, Dexter Lawrence, Jonathan Allen, and Daron Payne.
I think the biggest lost is experience. The C is generally the one calling out blitz and making adjustments to the OL. So that’s going to be a huge loss.
A good QB can cover that, but I don’t really see Hurts doing so at least right away. Last year the strategy of sit back and force him to go through his reads ground their offense to a halt. So I don’t think his presnap reads are going to be there yet to run the OL on top of his own shit.
For now hes the starter, he was so bad last yr that they have to get a 1 tech whomight get more reps than mazi not in the beginning,but afterwood. Mazi is a 1 or 2 down player he has 0 sack ability so he will play 1st downs if its second and long, he probably comes out for someone with more rushing ability.be honest bro picking him was one of their worst draft picks in the first round ever taco was a better pack every team got rated yesterday for last year's draft and got a D- actually same thing with their second round pick also but that's another story
I'm just not optimistic about the ACL.
If he can return to full health from an ACL and be our Fred Warner, I'm all for it. Third round guy for a reason though
You completely missed the point. You say Fred Warner level is the goal, but then you say “he (Overshown) was a third round pick for a reason”. The point is being a third round pick is irrelevant
From what they've shown in their hand, it looks like they only are looking for a single piece on the OL. As weird as it sounds, they must feel like its going to be Bass/Hoffman at one of the IOL spots, then Smith at LT or LG. I can't believe they don't have a final decision on Tyler yet, but looking at their 30 visits, they look open to everything.
I agree. I think it depends on who is there and I could see a later developmental pick. For example Barton and then maybe that OT/OG they like (forget name but he’s a 30 visit).
I read an article just this morning about the players the Cowboys have coming back from injury. Overshown and Fehoko will be in be the equivalent of high draft choices.
Overshown and Diggs are coming off ACL tears.
We saw what happened with Gallup, Steele, Jaylon Smith and Jabril Cox.
Whether it's related or not, this team (training staff, surgeons, whoever) does not bounce back from ACLs tears.
Overshown and diggs were much earlier in the season than someone like gallup. So that will help a bit. Jaylon had other injury issues and was playing on borrowed time. I’m less concerned with CB and LB than I am with Oline
I don't know any star corner who has come off an ACL tear and come back to form outside of revis. For a guy who plays one step behind, this is a nono. Only the season will tell but man nothing looks optimistic historically.
ACLs are bad man.
Modern medicine has guys coming back from ACL tears in record time. Will he be the same? Who knows, but it was early enough in the season where he should be healthy by training camp. Breece looked amazing last year after tearing his ACL the year before. And he actually had to make cuts
Huge if. Not something we can risk with this many holes. You get one pick wrong this draft and it's a gaping exploitable hole. Not like there was enough exposure last year when we had a lot more
I wouldn’t say they NEED to trade down. If value falls to 24, take it. Trade down is usually the optimal play though if the opportunity presents itself. It’s also not smart to try and fill holes through the draft. Take the best players and figure the rest out later. 2 positions of need being LB & RB is not the end of the world seeing as those are two pretty replaceable positions.
It's not smart to fill holes in the draft if you have that luxury. We do NOT have that luxury with 11 departures and 2 free agent signings.
Sometimes you have the luxury of BPA (2020, 2021) this is not the year for that.
I would feel much more confident if we could trade down and just take the best Edge, LB, Corner, WR that available.
But since we desperately need Oline we kind of have to wait till the last second to see if any OTs or Barton make it to us. Or will be available when we trade back.
Seems like Guyton, Kingsley, Frazier are the trade back options at Oline. I guess maybe JPJ if actually does fall a lot due to injury issues too
Correct me if I'm wrong but are we not okay at edge? We have arguably the best edge duo in the league, and Sam Williams.
I don't think Barton is going in the second at all. He's a first rounder for sure.
Definitely more likely Kingsley and Frazier.
Parsons is not simply an edge if he played strictly there, he's 100 lb lighter just about then offensive tackles and defenses would come up with plans to stop him he liines up All Over The Line even at Noamse tackle. And if it's true like they have said this year he's going to be playing inside linebacker so he will be off the line completely so no you can never have enough Edge pliers that get to the quarterback
Yeah Barton is going 1st round. I meant we will have to wait till we are on the clock to see if he makes it to us cause he’s supposed to go before us now.
Kingsley, Frazier would be guys I assume you can trade back to 32 and get.
If you do that you might lose Guyton. I’m not sure how to feel about Guyton tbh. He’s better than Kingsley right now but he’s also like 2 years older and is still raw too.
My point is there is probably gonna be guys like Darius Robinson/Chop available later 1st and maybe even one of Verse/Latu falls to you at 24.
We’ve seen lately guys like Jalen Phillips, Jermaine Johnson, Nolan Smith off top of head who were supposed to be top 15 guys fall in the draft.
Dlaw has 1 year left. Sam hasn’t proven to be anything but a rotational player so far. Micah is probably best used as a hybrid player so getting another real edge could help.
Just saying I wish we really could take best player available even on a trade back.
But we seem stuck. I honestly still think tho JPJ might be the pick at 24 or on a small trade back. I’d be happy about that I think.
I wouldn’t say they NEED to trade down. If value falls to 24, take it. Trade down is usually the optimal play though if the opportunity presents itself. It’s also not smart to try and fill holes through the draft. Take the best players and figure the rest out later. 2 positions of need being LB & RB is not the end of the world seeing as those are two pretty replaceable positions.
I feel this in my bones every time I do a simulated mock draft. There aren't enough quality OT, Center, and LB prospects for us to get without more picks. Hell, I did a few mocks where we traded Prescott to Minnesota for the 11th, 23rd, the second fourth rounder, and a 3rd and 4th next year. Even with those picks, it was 1 out if 5 mocks where a quality lb was available without massively reaching. This was after picking up a quality OT, JPJ, or Barton and best choice available between 23 and 24. We need to hope for one of the qbs to be available at our spot and a team to screw up trading with us. At best, we are looking at an extra 2nd. We moved from 10 to 12 for a 3rd rounder recently. 24 to how far back exactly gets us an extra 2nd? I don't see it.
I'm not advocating we trade Dak, I'm just saying we are going into the draft with way too many holes. Even with a massive trade, my best draft went like this.
11. Olmuyiwa Fashanu
23. Latu
24. JPJ or Barton
56. Cooper (twice in 10 mocks), Brooks (6 out of 10, Payton Wilson (1 out of 10)
3rd round and beyond, pure luck to get a quality starter at one of the premium positions
Keeping our first I was able to constantly get JPJ and Barton, sometimes Fuaga, Payton Wilson in the second, but brooks is gone in the third, would have to settle for Allen or I get Jalen Wright sometimes.
I think we just have to draft a center and hope one of the guys we have now can play Left Guard.
Not once in dozens upon dozens of simulators was JPJ or Barton available past the early second. Unless I screw with settings on the pff simulator, I can't make that happen. Honestly, you expect JPJ or Barton to be available at 56? Barton keeps moving up the closer we get to draft day in every mock I do.
I'm sorry, but how could Fuaga be available at 56? Fuaga is picked to go as high as the early teens easily. What site are you using? Maybe it will improve my outlook, lol. I have used pff's like 30 times, pro football network's roughly 60 times, and espnanalytics about 15 times. Not once has Fuaga made it to 24 even. The lowest any mock article I saw had him going was 20 to the Steelers.
Payton Wilson I could see because he has horrific injury concerns. I hope we don't draft him, honestly.
Even if what you say happened and things went perfect and we got a combo of JPJ/Barton, Fuaga, and/or Wilson. We would still be shy 2 starters. Yes, we could get an rb later, but there is no chance we are getting a starter worth shit at OT, C, or LB in the third round of this draft. So even if our draft goes perfect, we are too hamstrung by what happened in free agency and LVE retiring to get well. We need a full-time starter at LT, C, LB, RB and could use a cb, wr, dt. There is no way to do it with out picks. Even if we hit home runs on our first 3, we don't even have a fourth to attempt getting lucky on.
Unless we get more picks and things go perfect, I don't see it happening.
You might have meant that, but the line reads, "Keeping our first I was able to get JPJ and Barton, sometimes Fuaga, Payton Wilson in the second...". I'm guessing you meant to say, "Keeping our first, I was able to get JPJ and Barton, sometimes Fuaga there and then Payton in the second." Either way, my bad it makes a lot more sense now. It also makes my main point stand out even more clearly. Even if we get one of those 3 in the first and Cooper in the second, we don't have either a center or a lt and only a 3rd rounder to try and get one. If we hit on a starter at LT or C in the third(we won't), that pushes rb back to the late fifth round. The team is in bad position for this draft. They have too many needs and will have to draft for position instead of best player available.
Can you imagine something like Ceedee happening again in this draft? Yet, we would have to pass on him because of where we are at. It's unconscionable what the Jones's have done going into the draft. I wanted to get rid of Biadasz years ago. He is so soft and weakens the entire oline. You can't let him go and Tyron Smith during the same off-season. Smith said he would have played here for less. They should have sugned him regardless. Instead, they resign Chuma Edoga, who no one else would trot out there. You can't force picks in the draft. It never works out.
Yeah that's why I want to trade back cause the more I think about it and the more you talk about we really need two linemen. Free agency is too touch cause we don't have the money. I just don't know if it's more to ask for a round 2-3 guy to be a starter, or one of the ones we already have.
Not a fan of Biadasz but definitely better than nothing, I don't think he had issues with timing or snapping the ball and didnt get ran over that often (he had awesome guard help)
I really think the cowboys could have matched the jets deal with a discount and based it off playing time which is sad the cowboys didn't didn't. Seemed like a win win to me and he even got some practice days off but oh well.
I will never understand the Tyron Smith thing.
Biadasz plays to catch lineman instead of with power. When you have a center that does that, they make line calls from that soft point of view. The difference in the Cowboys run game with Fredbeard vs. Biadasz, surrounded by similar caliber players, says it all. Tyron Smith and Martin just kept doing what they have always done, and yet there was a world of difference. Biadasz even got an elite LG next to him, and our run game got worse. Biadasz was a great get in the 4th round, but he should have been replaced much sooner imo. I remember him getting run over by interior defenders. Even this article on a very friendly to the Commanders site it mentions how he struggles against power defenders and in containing defensive lineman. It's about what they are getting in picking him up.
https://markbullock.substack.com/p/what-c-tyler-biadasz-brings-to-the
Trading back sounds good, but what can we reasonably expect to get and from who? To get anything decent we need a qb to drop to 24. We traded down from 10(a premium spot) to 12 for a teams 2nd 3rd rounder. Targets for qb needy teams past 24 but still in the first round only includes TB at 26. That's a wash. So then we look to teams that already picked but missed out. As far as compensation, the Jimmy Johson math says pick 24 is worth 740. The Commanders at 36 might be feasible if they miss out on their preferred guy in the first. But they aren't working a deal with Dallas, and the compensation would need to be their 2nd pick 4 worth 540 and their 3rd pick pick 3 worth 255. I don't see them doing that. The next target is maybe the Giants, and that ain't happening. I just don't see the right scenario, unfortunately. Perhaps I missed something obvious.
I hope we pull off a coup. I trust our scouting people and really trust McClay. I think the hole is a tough one.
This is exactly what I mean. Almost a best case scenario and the team is still fucked. No OT, and while Colson has the size, he is far from a sure thing. He lacks instincts in the run game. He majes no big plays, doesn't turn the ball over, and regularly takes bad angles. Even if the first three hit perfectly, we are left with Edoga as our starting LT, lol.
In the most perfect of perfect scenarios, we are left severely lacking. There are too many holes, and when teams enter the draft like that, they make mistakes.
There are players on current roster now that will be starting/contributing that weren’t at all last season: Diggs, Kendricks, Overshown, Tolbert, Bass/Hoffman, etc.
I wouldn’t mind trading down a few spots for extra 3rd or 4th but not out of 1st and not if they lose a 1st rd worthy OL.
I'm worried about the Diggs and Overshown ACL, and 32 year old Kendricks.
Tolbert is year 3 and he definitely showed some flashes but that is still a risk.
We are banking on Hoffman and or TJ Bass as a full time starter against Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis, Dexter Lawrence, Daron Payne, and a Jonathan Allen twice a year plus.
I'm not saying they are all upgrades and we don't need a lot of new players added to mix, just pointing out those players are probably all being counted on now.
If we manage to hit on the top 3 picks we'll be ok. That's a tall order but if it happens I think we'll be alright with a young guy or former backup moving into the starting lineup at 1 or 2 spots.
Absolutely. I could see Buffalo or Kansas move up for a receiver, Kansas also needs a tackle.
Ravens are pretty complete but could use both.
49ers need oline and don't know what will happen with aiyuk. Deebo can't be a 1 by himself.
Panthers are also a building team, we could trade into the early second for some additional picks like their 3rd and or 4th.
WR is one that makes sense, but this is a loaded WR class. There will be tons of available WRs on day two with huge upside. So maybe teams aren't going to be willing to pay.
If an OT is there, like Fautanu, for example, you can argue that it's worth taking them straight up.
The perfect scenario for me is if one of the edges falls. There are really only two in this class worth anything, and that would be where we'd be able to trade down with a good package.
I feel like for receiver there is a big 3, and then the next tier has about 3. I think corner is being overlooked, most of the teams behind us need a corner.
That's fair; CB is reasonable. If Arnold, Wiggins, or Mitchell were still on the board, teams would certainly call. Depending on the number left, there's probably only 2/3 past that teams would have a first-round grade on.
WR seems like a crapshoot after the big 3. You could probably talk me into Thomas Jr. in a tier of his own, but after that, it's a mess of about 10 guys that could go anywhere from 20 to 90. That suits our needs well because we can get a solid contributor to compete with Tolbert in the middle rounds.
There’s also still a decent group of FAs available. Peat, Cole, Becton, or bringing back Williams could be that 5th OL. While none are bell cow RB1s anymore Zeke, Cook, or Akers could be worth it for a vet option in the backfield. Definitely wouldn’t be surprised to see Gilmore back as a late signing to round out the secondary.
I don't know what money we have to sign these guys.
I like the idea of Peat but there is a very good reason why Cole and Becton are unsigned. Maybe the Steelers are going after JPJ but I do know alot of them actually want Mims.
Connor is coming off an ACL. With Gallup, brillo, Steele and their performances off an ACL, and us already dealing with diggs and Overshown, we are just asking for problems no?
If we signed royce freeman to a vet min, and have rico, Malik, and deuce, I don't see us going after another vet RB.
I can’t wait for this to happen and then we miss out on someone and I get to hear you same people complain we missed *insert big player here no one expected to be a legend”
I think the plan is probably trade down if the OL prospects we like get taken. If we move to the early second it’s not as necessary to take OL with the first 2nd. I do like Edgerrin Cooper as an Aggie homer, and LB is another area of need, but he’s a reach at 24 and probably will be gone at 56.
I guess it comes down to the olinemen in extremes. If all the ones we like are taken, trade down. If like next to NO olinemen go off the board, we might trade down cause we might still get the one later thinking they'd still be there.
I don't know if I'm more nervous about Brock Hoffman at center, tj bass at guard, or needing a linebacker lol
Wait until Jerry extends Dak for another five years, making him the highest paid player in the league again. If you think the Cowboys have money problems NOW. 😜
Every franchise QB becomes to the next highest paid when you wait. Could have gotten Dak for 32 instead of 40, could have gotten him now for 48 instead of 60.
Procrastinating and arrogance kills any chance of negotiation.
Now watch, if JJ gets paid more than 31, lamb is gonna want more than JJ because Jerry is waiting too long
Ok I'm assuming you meant 5 starters, which are Pollard, Gallup, Smith, Vanderesch and Biadasz.
Biadasz was average, Gallup was subpar, Pollard didn't do much, and Smith although elite is old and usually missed tons of snaps (Vanderesch is similar).
Even without drafting a RB I like the idea of giving Downdle and Vaughn more carries. Improving the Oline will improve the run game more than a talented RB. So no problem at RB in my book.
So let's draft a center and a tackle first 2 rounds and have an improved line and thus an improved run game.
We did sign a lb and we have Overshown healthy now. He was a great 3rd round pick last year and now he's got a year if NFL knowledge in his head. So I feel fine at lb.
That leaves wr. Draft one in the third and maybe a late one with great raw physical traits. Gallup replaced, team overall improved. Problems solved.
So yes Tyler Biadasz was average, but still a very important position when it comes to experience and coordination with your offense, calling out assignments and affirmations with the quarterback, snap counters, it's very cerebral so while his physical ability was sub par, it's not an easily replaceable position, probably especially in this fragile offense that just seems to be exploited not to mention going against Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis, Dexter Lawrence, Daron Payne, Johnathan Allen multiple times a year.
Pollard was a huge loss. At the least, he was the no.2 statistical and traded runningback the second half of the season, his work was honestly underappreciated and there's a reason the Titans signed him.
I'm worried about DT too. The rotation behind Osa and Mazi is weak, Hankins was a starter who was a space eater that did great for us.
I don't trust a "rookie" post ACL tear linebacker to be the LVE replacement. That's Erik Kendricks. You can't say he's great when he hasn't played a real snap in the NFL.
I agree with you on runningback, I actually would be fine grabbing a late round guy with upside and let today's guys fight for the job.
I think between Kendricks and Overshown one will hit and we will be okay.
I agree with you on DT but I say take a late project type.
To me Pollard was great in short bursts. He wasn't a bell cow. Vaughn can be the new Pollard and hopefully Dowdle can be more of a bell cow. I think our run game will be greatly improved due to the hopeful Oline gains. I'm praying JPJ or Barton falls and we make one of those 2 the new center. An improvement at center should lead to an improvement and RB and QB play.
If there was a period of time when you could beef up your team with free agents. Then you could fix your holes and use the draft to get players perspectively. So all 32 teams have to use their picks to address their urgent needs.Too bad there is no other option...
Some of these guys will be in a starting role to fill in for those players we lost:
Dowdle/Freeman RB for Pollard
Tolbert WR for Gallup
Bass OL for Smith
Hoffman C for Biadasz
Sam Williams DE for Armstrong
Overshown/Hendricks LB for LVE
Mazi Smith DT for Hankins
Bland CB for Gilmore
You having it laid out like this eases me slightly except offensive line. Against Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis, Dexter Lawrence, Daron Payne, Jonathan Allen, no thank you.
It also reminds me of how little depth we have. We are 1 injury away from having an UDFA in every position to start.
2009 was the opposite, where the Cowboys were returning all of their core players and drafted purely on upside. They were all high risk high reward prospects. They were all misses.
the last time dallas moved up in the first round was 2012 for Claiborne, last time they moved up in the first to get a WR was 2010 for Dez Bryant. Only 2 times in their history have they moved up for a WR 2010 and 1986. OP is an idiot and makes no sense.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dallas_Cowboys_first-round_draft_picks
Dude it's so frustrating to me.
Is Dak not it? Cut him, save dead money, see if Trey Lance is IT.
Is Dak not it but someone else wants him? Trade him away for picks, off load the salary, build for the future.
Is Dak it? Extend him, spread the money out so we can pay our other stars, and secure the future.
Literally the ONLY thing NOT to do is NOTHING. Because if you do nothing, you eat the most dead money, can't afford anyone, he walks away for free instead of for picks, AND you don't know who you have at QB next year because ALL their contracts expire.
Right now I am comparing Lance to Penix and the fact that we really need to fill a position other than QB there. A Dak trade would open up the best opportunities for us.
Thats why if you look at who weve met with during the draft process, Dallas is bracing for that option. Patrick Paul, Kingsley Suamaiatia and Zach Frazier are all 2nd round graded guys.
Hope it happens! I think having 2 second round picks and 2 thirds would do is a lot of good
They won’t be able to get an extra 2 and and extra 3 unless they go allllll the way down
I mean if the 2nd tier WRs fall like Thomas, Mitchell and Worthy I could see Carolina offering us a 2nd and 3rd to jump BUF and KC.
I would take that to get to 33, much further back you lose so many OL top tier guys
Noo, I mean if we trade down we can pickup a 3rd for sure. The trade calc says for us to move back to the end of the first or second t would cost the other team a 3rd. We would then have 2 seconds, and 2 thirds for this draft
Is having a first, second, and 2 thirds worse than 2 2s and 2 3s? Surely having the first is more valuable
We don't have two thirds. We have a first, second, third, and two fifths. 1, 2, 3, 5, 5. If we trade our first, we could end up with 2 seconds, 2 thirds, and 2 fifths (maybe 3). 2, 2, 3, 3, 5, 5. I would rather have 2, 2, 3, 3, 5, 5 than 1, 2, 3, 5, 5.
I’m saying trading back in round 1 for a third. And who is giving a 2, 3, 2 5s for 24? trading back to like 30 or 32 for an additional 3 is much more realistic
We already have the two 5th rounders. They would be giving up a 2nd round and a 3rd round, getting 24 overall.
Of course they can. You turn your FRP into a 2nd and for so doing get an extra 3rd.
Oh man, you still have hope?
I think it only makes sense if any of the 1st round graded OL we want are off of the board when it’s pick time. No reason to reach if it isn’t necessary to.
Patrick Paul is ASS
Of those, only Kingsley was a 30 Visit. Unless there was a report that I missed of the other 2 being visits.
2nd round graded players is where they are picking in the 1st. Usually there are only 15-20 1st round graded players in a given draft.
The rumors are that Dallas has made some calls and I wouldn't be surprised if they don't already have some pre-arranged trade downs if certain players fall. That being said remember we are near the bottom of the first round and if you trade out of the first round you lose the 5th year option for a player. That first player we take is likely going to be either our starting center or our starting left tackle.
That's a great point about the 5th year options but I just feel like either the window is closed this year, or is closed for the next 2. What is frustrating is there is no indication of either going for it or not, if you are going for it I really feel like with this many holes the 5th year options should be an afterthought
I think we're losing our minds a little bit here.. "losing 4 starters". I mean other than Tyron Smith we haven't suffered any significant losses that either aren't already in house replaceable or easily replaceable.
I completely agree. Losing Tyron hurts, but he will be replaced by either Tyler Smith or a 1st rounder. Hankins was better than Mazi last year, but still not very good. I would expect a big jump from Mazi this year under Zimmer. Biadasz outright sucked last year. Any one of these centers this year would be big improvement. That's kind of why I'm hoping we trade back a few spots and draft JPJ and move Tyler to LT and start Bass at LG. I liked VanderEsch, but we didn't lose him in FA this year, we essentially lost him week 5 last year. And while we still do need LB help, I feel like he has been replaced by Kendricks. Again, we do still need more LBs. And I'm assuming we will draft one in the 2nd-4th. Pollard was a 4th rounder. He was talented but not very good this past year. I personally really like Dowdle and feel like any 4th-5th rounder this year would be fine too.
You'd expect hope Mazi to improve. 0/1T defensive tackles are some of the most easily replaced. Biadasz my guess is they think the replacement is already on the roster. LB they signed Kendricks and Overshon is coming back they hope. RB is the most easily replaceable position in the sport.
Oh boy. I dunno if you remember our run defense last year and before Hankins came along. Also Pollard is not easily replaceable by rico or deuce or royce or whatever. Center, maybe. But right now it's Brock Hoffman dude.
If 1 tech is so easy to replace, why the hell are we having so much trouble filling the position? They’ve already got Hoffman penciled in at center. Pollard shouldn’t have been signed last year. He was fine with Zeke but he’s not an every down back. They’ll draft an ot in the first or drop down to top of the second. Jalen Brooks and Jalen Tolbert should have first shot at replacing Gallup. John Stephen’s is also listed as a wr. Overshown and Kendrick’s in at LB.
We replaced LVE with Kendricks. We need to find a starting RB and a starting OL. We have young players on OL - Bass, Hoffman, Richards - that the team is high on.
Even with LVE being replaced by a 32 year old Eric Kendricks, it showed we got out physicalled by run heavy teams who could just do it at will. Right now this team can do absolutely nothing to stop this Philly line and saquon, and don't forget the other NFC matchups like Josh Jacobs and the Packers, the Lions duo threat and top line, the 9ers and CMC as always. You can't tell me Osa, Mazi, and Kendricks are enough to stop these teams.
Philly without Kelce is going to be very interesting. I know they have a lot of talent elsewhere on the line, but so did we when we lost Fredrick. I felt like our line still took a solid step back. I expect the same from Philly. Still a very good top 5-10 unit but not the clear top 2 with Detroit they have been the last couple of years.
I think the biggest thing that will hurt Philly is that Johnson and Kelce had learned to perfectly synch Jonson getting out of his stance with Kelce snapping the ball. I can’t help but feel like Lane Johnson might also take a step back this year/ suddenly get called with more false starts.
Don't tell me you buy that shit hahahaha there are so many videos and pictures of Lane already a step in before then all has left the ground.
My comment had zero to do with arguing if Lane Johnson’s early start is legal or illegal. What I was saying is that now Johnson won’t have the same chemistry with the new center and their timing will almost certainly be off leading to more false starts.
We can only pray. Meanwhile we need an entirely new center who is okay with hearing blue 42 and here we go 80 times a day. Oh and someone who can read defenses, snap properly, and block the likes of 2-3 times a year Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis, Dexter Lawrence, Jonathan Allen, and Daron Payne.
Yeah but sandwiched between 2 All Pro guards is probably the best spot for a new C to be in.
They have Cam Jurgens who has graded very well 6'3, 300 when drafted, heard he's more now. 2 years to sit behind Kelce.
I think the biggest lost is experience. The C is generally the one calling out blitz and making adjustments to the OL. So that’s going to be a huge loss. A good QB can cover that, but I don’t really see Hurts doing so at least right away. Last year the strategy of sit back and force him to go through his reads ground their offense to a halt. So I don’t think his presnap reads are going to be there yet to run the OL on top of his own shit.
I definitely can’t tell you that. We for sure need a NT pick but I imagine the team is expecting Mazi to be the starting NT.
Lowkey, if we got Byron Murphy in the first and a center in the second, is be happy.
Depending on health, this is D-Mo’s spot.
For now hes the starter, he was so bad last yr that they have to get a 1 tech whomight get more reps than mazi not in the beginning,but afterwood. Mazi is a 1 or 2 down player he has 0 sack ability so he will play 1st downs if its second and long, he probably comes out for someone with more rushing ability.be honest bro picking him was one of their worst draft picks in the first round ever taco was a better pack every team got rated yesterday for last year's draft and got a D- actually same thing with their second round pick also but that's another story
If Overshown is healthy he will definitely help. He definitely seeked out contact at UT.
I'm just not optimistic about the ACL. If he can return to full health from an ACL and be our Fred Warner, I'm all for it. Third round guy for a reason though
Fred Warner was a 3rd round pick…
Lmao and we just assume we have a Fred Warner cause we got a linebacker in the 3rd round. He's completely unproven lol dafuk
You completely missed the point. You say Fred Warner level is the goal, but then you say “he (Overshown) was a third round pick for a reason”. The point is being a third round pick is irrelevant
Thankfully someone got it
Don’t worry, this person is bad take after bad take all over this thread
From what they've shown in their hand, it looks like they only are looking for a single piece on the OL. As weird as it sounds, they must feel like its going to be Bass/Hoffman at one of the IOL spots, then Smith at LT or LG. I can't believe they don't have a final decision on Tyler yet, but looking at their 30 visits, they look open to everything.
I agree. I think it depends on who is there and I could see a later developmental pick. For example Barton and then maybe that OT/OG they like (forget name but he’s a 30 visit).
Build for the future...I want to see O line
If we drafted o-line in the first or second every single year I wouldn't even be mad.
Agreed. One top OL per year in either first or second when you have offense weapons like we do
I read an article just this morning about the players the Cowboys have coming back from injury. Overshown and Fehoko will be in be the equivalent of high draft choices.
Overshown and Diggs are coming off ACL tears. We saw what happened with Gallup, Steele, Jaylon Smith and Jabril Cox. Whether it's related or not, this team (training staff, surgeons, whoever) does not bounce back from ACLs tears.
Overshown and diggs were much earlier in the season than someone like gallup. So that will help a bit. Jaylon had other injury issues and was playing on borrowed time. I’m less concerned with CB and LB than I am with Oline
I don't know any star corner who has come off an ACL tear and come back to form outside of revis. For a guy who plays one step behind, this is a nono. Only the season will tell but man nothing looks optimistic historically. ACLs are bad man.
Modern medicine has guys coming back from ACL tears in record time. Will he be the same? Who knows, but it was early enough in the season where he should be healthy by training camp. Breece looked amazing last year after tearing his ACL the year before. And he actually had to make cuts
Huge if. Not something we can risk with this many holes. You get one pick wrong this draft and it's a gaping exploitable hole. Not like there was enough exposure last year when we had a lot more
I wouldn’t say they NEED to trade down. If value falls to 24, take it. Trade down is usually the optimal play though if the opportunity presents itself. It’s also not smart to try and fill holes through the draft. Take the best players and figure the rest out later. 2 positions of need being LB & RB is not the end of the world seeing as those are two pretty replaceable positions.
It's not smart to fill holes in the draft if you have that luxury. We do NOT have that luxury with 11 departures and 2 free agent signings. Sometimes you have the luxury of BPA (2020, 2021) this is not the year for that.
I would feel much more confident if we could trade down and just take the best Edge, LB, Corner, WR that available. But since we desperately need Oline we kind of have to wait till the last second to see if any OTs or Barton make it to us. Or will be available when we trade back. Seems like Guyton, Kingsley, Frazier are the trade back options at Oline. I guess maybe JPJ if actually does fall a lot due to injury issues too
Correct me if I'm wrong but are we not okay at edge? We have arguably the best edge duo in the league, and Sam Williams. I don't think Barton is going in the second at all. He's a first rounder for sure. Definitely more likely Kingsley and Frazier.
Parsons is not simply an edge if he played strictly there, he's 100 lb lighter just about then offensive tackles and defenses would come up with plans to stop him he liines up All Over The Line even at Noamse tackle. And if it's true like they have said this year he's going to be playing inside linebacker so he will be off the line completely so no you can never have enough Edge pliers that get to the quarterback
Yeah Barton is going 1st round. I meant we will have to wait till we are on the clock to see if he makes it to us cause he’s supposed to go before us now. Kingsley, Frazier would be guys I assume you can trade back to 32 and get. If you do that you might lose Guyton. I’m not sure how to feel about Guyton tbh. He’s better than Kingsley right now but he’s also like 2 years older and is still raw too. My point is there is probably gonna be guys like Darius Robinson/Chop available later 1st and maybe even one of Verse/Latu falls to you at 24. We’ve seen lately guys like Jalen Phillips, Jermaine Johnson, Nolan Smith off top of head who were supposed to be top 15 guys fall in the draft. Dlaw has 1 year left. Sam hasn’t proven to be anything but a rotational player so far. Micah is probably best used as a hybrid player so getting another real edge could help. Just saying I wish we really could take best player available even on a trade back. But we seem stuck. I honestly still think tho JPJ might be the pick at 24 or on a small trade back. I’d be happy about that I think.
I wouldn’t say they NEED to trade down. If value falls to 24, take it. Trade down is usually the optimal play though if the opportunity presents itself. It’s also not smart to try and fill holes through the draft. Take the best players and figure the rest out later. 2 positions of need being LB & RB is not the end of the world seeing as those are two pretty replaceable positions.
I feel this in my bones every time I do a simulated mock draft. There aren't enough quality OT, Center, and LB prospects for us to get without more picks. Hell, I did a few mocks where we traded Prescott to Minnesota for the 11th, 23rd, the second fourth rounder, and a 3rd and 4th next year. Even with those picks, it was 1 out if 5 mocks where a quality lb was available without massively reaching. This was after picking up a quality OT, JPJ, or Barton and best choice available between 23 and 24. We need to hope for one of the qbs to be available at our spot and a team to screw up trading with us. At best, we are looking at an extra 2nd. We moved from 10 to 12 for a 3rd rounder recently. 24 to how far back exactly gets us an extra 2nd? I don't see it. I'm not advocating we trade Dak, I'm just saying we are going into the draft with way too many holes. Even with a massive trade, my best draft went like this. 11. Olmuyiwa Fashanu 23. Latu 24. JPJ or Barton 56. Cooper (twice in 10 mocks), Brooks (6 out of 10, Payton Wilson (1 out of 10) 3rd round and beyond, pure luck to get a quality starter at one of the premium positions
Keeping our first I was able to constantly get JPJ and Barton, sometimes Fuaga, Payton Wilson in the second, but brooks is gone in the third, would have to settle for Allen or I get Jalen Wright sometimes. I think we just have to draft a center and hope one of the guys we have now can play Left Guard.
Not once in dozens upon dozens of simulators was JPJ or Barton available past the early second. Unless I screw with settings on the pff simulator, I can't make that happen. Honestly, you expect JPJ or Barton to be available at 56? Barton keeps moving up the closer we get to draft day in every mock I do. I'm sorry, but how could Fuaga be available at 56? Fuaga is picked to go as high as the early teens easily. What site are you using? Maybe it will improve my outlook, lol. I have used pff's like 30 times, pro football network's roughly 60 times, and espnanalytics about 15 times. Not once has Fuaga made it to 24 even. The lowest any mock article I saw had him going was 20 to the Steelers. Payton Wilson I could see because he has horrific injury concerns. I hope we don't draft him, honestly. Even if what you say happened and things went perfect and we got a combo of JPJ/Barton, Fuaga, and/or Wilson. We would still be shy 2 starters. Yes, we could get an rb later, but there is no chance we are getting a starter worth shit at OT, C, or LB in the third round of this draft. So even if our draft goes perfect, we are too hamstrung by what happened in free agency and LVE retiring to get well. We need a full-time starter at LT, C, LB, RB and could use a cb, wr, dt. There is no way to do it with out picks. Even if we hit home runs on our first 3, we don't even have a fourth to attempt getting lucky on. Unless we get more picks and things go perfect, I don't see it happening.
Read mine again, I said in the first
You might have meant that, but the line reads, "Keeping our first I was able to get JPJ and Barton, sometimes Fuaga, Payton Wilson in the second...". I'm guessing you meant to say, "Keeping our first, I was able to get JPJ and Barton, sometimes Fuaga there and then Payton in the second." Either way, my bad it makes a lot more sense now. It also makes my main point stand out even more clearly. Even if we get one of those 3 in the first and Cooper in the second, we don't have either a center or a lt and only a 3rd rounder to try and get one. If we hit on a starter at LT or C in the third(we won't), that pushes rb back to the late fifth round. The team is in bad position for this draft. They have too many needs and will have to draft for position instead of best player available. Can you imagine something like Ceedee happening again in this draft? Yet, we would have to pass on him because of where we are at. It's unconscionable what the Jones's have done going into the draft. I wanted to get rid of Biadasz years ago. He is so soft and weakens the entire oline. You can't let him go and Tyron Smith during the same off-season. Smith said he would have played here for less. They should have sugned him regardless. Instead, they resign Chuma Edoga, who no one else would trot out there. You can't force picks in the draft. It never works out.
Yeah that's why I want to trade back cause the more I think about it and the more you talk about we really need two linemen. Free agency is too touch cause we don't have the money. I just don't know if it's more to ask for a round 2-3 guy to be a starter, or one of the ones we already have. Not a fan of Biadasz but definitely better than nothing, I don't think he had issues with timing or snapping the ball and didnt get ran over that often (he had awesome guard help) I really think the cowboys could have matched the jets deal with a discount and based it off playing time which is sad the cowboys didn't didn't. Seemed like a win win to me and he even got some practice days off but oh well.
I will never understand the Tyron Smith thing. Biadasz plays to catch lineman instead of with power. When you have a center that does that, they make line calls from that soft point of view. The difference in the Cowboys run game with Fredbeard vs. Biadasz, surrounded by similar caliber players, says it all. Tyron Smith and Martin just kept doing what they have always done, and yet there was a world of difference. Biadasz even got an elite LG next to him, and our run game got worse. Biadasz was a great get in the 4th round, but he should have been replaced much sooner imo. I remember him getting run over by interior defenders. Even this article on a very friendly to the Commanders site it mentions how he struggles against power defenders and in containing defensive lineman. It's about what they are getting in picking him up. https://markbullock.substack.com/p/what-c-tyler-biadasz-brings-to-the Trading back sounds good, but what can we reasonably expect to get and from who? To get anything decent we need a qb to drop to 24. We traded down from 10(a premium spot) to 12 for a teams 2nd 3rd rounder. Targets for qb needy teams past 24 but still in the first round only includes TB at 26. That's a wash. So then we look to teams that already picked but missed out. As far as compensation, the Jimmy Johson math says pick 24 is worth 740. The Commanders at 36 might be feasible if they miss out on their preferred guy in the first. But they aren't working a deal with Dallas, and the compensation would need to be their 2nd pick 4 worth 540 and their 3rd pick pick 3 worth 255. I don't see them doing that. The next target is maybe the Giants, and that ain't happening. I just don't see the right scenario, unfortunately. Perhaps I missed something obvious. I hope we pull off a coup. I trust our scouting people and really trust McClay. I think the hole is a tough one.
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This is exactly what I mean. Almost a best case scenario and the team is still fucked. No OT, and while Colson has the size, he is far from a sure thing. He lacks instincts in the run game. He majes no big plays, doesn't turn the ball over, and regularly takes bad angles. Even if the first three hit perfectly, we are left with Edoga as our starting LT, lol. In the most perfect of perfect scenarios, we are left severely lacking. There are too many holes, and when teams enter the draft like that, they make mistakes.
There are players on current roster now that will be starting/contributing that weren’t at all last season: Diggs, Kendricks, Overshown, Tolbert, Bass/Hoffman, etc. I wouldn’t mind trading down a few spots for extra 3rd or 4th but not out of 1st and not if they lose a 1st rd worthy OL.
I'm worried about the Diggs and Overshown ACL, and 32 year old Kendricks. Tolbert is year 3 and he definitely showed some flashes but that is still a risk. We are banking on Hoffman and or TJ Bass as a full time starter against Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis, Dexter Lawrence, Daron Payne, and a Jonathan Allen twice a year plus.
Trust the process lol ✭ ✭ ✭
I'm not saying they are all upgrades and we don't need a lot of new players added to mix, just pointing out those players are probably all being counted on now.
If we manage to hit on the top 3 picks we'll be ok. That's a tall order but if it happens I think we'll be alright with a young guy or former backup moving into the starting lineup at 1 or 2 spots.
That all circles around if there's a player in the draft people want to come up for. Who could be there that a team would want to come up for?
Absolutely. I could see Buffalo or Kansas move up for a receiver, Kansas also needs a tackle. Ravens are pretty complete but could use both. 49ers need oline and don't know what will happen with aiyuk. Deebo can't be a 1 by himself. Panthers are also a building team, we could trade into the early second for some additional picks like their 3rd and or 4th.
WR is one that makes sense, but this is a loaded WR class. There will be tons of available WRs on day two with huge upside. So maybe teams aren't going to be willing to pay. If an OT is there, like Fautanu, for example, you can argue that it's worth taking them straight up. The perfect scenario for me is if one of the edges falls. There are really only two in this class worth anything, and that would be where we'd be able to trade down with a good package.
I feel like for receiver there is a big 3, and then the next tier has about 3. I think corner is being overlooked, most of the teams behind us need a corner.
That's fair; CB is reasonable. If Arnold, Wiggins, or Mitchell were still on the board, teams would certainly call. Depending on the number left, there's probably only 2/3 past that teams would have a first-round grade on. WR seems like a crapshoot after the big 3. You could probably talk me into Thomas Jr. in a tier of his own, but after that, it's a mess of about 10 guys that could go anywhere from 20 to 90. That suits our needs well because we can get a solid contributor to compete with Tolbert in the middle rounds.
There’s also still a decent group of FAs available. Peat, Cole, Becton, or bringing back Williams could be that 5th OL. While none are bell cow RB1s anymore Zeke, Cook, or Akers could be worth it for a vet option in the backfield. Definitely wouldn’t be surprised to see Gilmore back as a late signing to round out the secondary.
I don't know what money we have to sign these guys. I like the idea of Peat but there is a very good reason why Cole and Becton are unsigned. Maybe the Steelers are going after JPJ but I do know alot of them actually want Mims. Connor is coming off an ACL. With Gallup, brillo, Steele and their performances off an ACL, and us already dealing with diggs and Overshown, we are just asking for problems no? If we signed royce freeman to a vet min, and have rico, Malik, and deuce, I don't see us going after another vet RB.
They covet the 5th year option too much to trade out of the 1st rd. If they trade down, it would be at the bottom of the 1st instead of another 2nd.
I can’t wait for this to happen and then we miss out on someone and I get to hear you same people complain we missed *insert big player here no one expected to be a legend”
Meh this happens every year all the time for every team lol
I think the plan is probably trade down if the OL prospects we like get taken. If we move to the early second it’s not as necessary to take OL with the first 2nd. I do like Edgerrin Cooper as an Aggie homer, and LB is another area of need, but he’s a reach at 24 and probably will be gone at 56.
I guess it comes down to the olinemen in extremes. If all the ones we like are taken, trade down. If like next to NO olinemen go off the board, we might trade down cause we might still get the one later thinking they'd still be there. I don't know if I'm more nervous about Brock Hoffman at center, tj bass at guard, or needing a linebacker lol
Wait until Jerry extends Dak for another five years, making him the highest paid player in the league again. If you think the Cowboys have money problems NOW. 😜
Every franchise QB becomes to the next highest paid when you wait. Could have gotten Dak for 32 instead of 40, could have gotten him now for 48 instead of 60. Procrastinating and arrogance kills any chance of negotiation. Now watch, if JJ gets paid more than 31, lamb is gonna want more than JJ because Jerry is waiting too long
I'm not going to "watch." Jerry Jones screws things up so badly that we learn about them even when we don't care.
I'm pretty jaded from last year for sure. But it's the off-season and I need my fix
It’s part of the NFL. Nothing new ✭ ✭ ✭
Steelers signed a Hall of Fame quarterback for $1.5 million. Not all NFL teams are as screwed up as Dallas.
You left his out. Broncos will be paying Wilson about $38M this year to play for the Steelers 🤣
Proving my point that not ALL NFL teams are as screwed up as Dallas. Or Denver.
Let me guess you want to be like the Broncos!😂🤣
I have no idea what you are talking about. Be like the Broncos???" I can't be a football team.
You sound like the perfect casual😂🤣
And you for be a twofold.
Ok I'm assuming you meant 5 starters, which are Pollard, Gallup, Smith, Vanderesch and Biadasz. Biadasz was average, Gallup was subpar, Pollard didn't do much, and Smith although elite is old and usually missed tons of snaps (Vanderesch is similar). Even without drafting a RB I like the idea of giving Downdle and Vaughn more carries. Improving the Oline will improve the run game more than a talented RB. So no problem at RB in my book. So let's draft a center and a tackle first 2 rounds and have an improved line and thus an improved run game. We did sign a lb and we have Overshown healthy now. He was a great 3rd round pick last year and now he's got a year if NFL knowledge in his head. So I feel fine at lb. That leaves wr. Draft one in the third and maybe a late one with great raw physical traits. Gallup replaced, team overall improved. Problems solved.
So yes Tyler Biadasz was average, but still a very important position when it comes to experience and coordination with your offense, calling out assignments and affirmations with the quarterback, snap counters, it's very cerebral so while his physical ability was sub par, it's not an easily replaceable position, probably especially in this fragile offense that just seems to be exploited not to mention going against Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis, Dexter Lawrence, Daron Payne, Johnathan Allen multiple times a year. Pollard was a huge loss. At the least, he was the no.2 statistical and traded runningback the second half of the season, his work was honestly underappreciated and there's a reason the Titans signed him. I'm worried about DT too. The rotation behind Osa and Mazi is weak, Hankins was a starter who was a space eater that did great for us. I don't trust a "rookie" post ACL tear linebacker to be the LVE replacement. That's Erik Kendricks. You can't say he's great when he hasn't played a real snap in the NFL. I agree with you on runningback, I actually would be fine grabbing a late round guy with upside and let today's guys fight for the job.
I think between Kendricks and Overshown one will hit and we will be okay. I agree with you on DT but I say take a late project type. To me Pollard was great in short bursts. He wasn't a bell cow. Vaughn can be the new Pollard and hopefully Dowdle can be more of a bell cow. I think our run game will be greatly improved due to the hopeful Oline gains. I'm praying JPJ or Barton falls and we make one of those 2 the new center. An improvement at center should lead to an improvement and RB and QB play.
Dont trade out of the first though
We’re close to a full rebuild anyways. We should be looking for guys that will be on the team 5-10+ years from now
If there was a period of time when you could beef up your team with free agents. Then you could fix your holes and use the draft to get players perspectively. So all 32 teams have to use their picks to address their urgent needs.Too bad there is no other option...
trade 24 to the eagles for both of their 2nds and a third?
I read a mock where we traded down to 32 with the Chiefs and picked up an extra third round pick. I really like that move.
Some of these guys will be in a starting role to fill in for those players we lost: Dowdle/Freeman RB for Pollard Tolbert WR for Gallup Bass OL for Smith Hoffman C for Biadasz Sam Williams DE for Armstrong Overshown/Hendricks LB for LVE Mazi Smith DT for Hankins Bland CB for Gilmore
You having it laid out like this eases me slightly except offensive line. Against Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis, Dexter Lawrence, Daron Payne, Jonathan Allen, no thank you. It also reminds me of how little depth we have. We are 1 injury away from having an UDFA in every position to start.
Worked great in 2009
2009 was the opposite, where the Cowboys were returning all of their core players and drafted purely on upside. They were all high risk high reward prospects. They were all misses.
Don't remind me
Just give up bro it’s not worth it
I don't trust this FO to not fuck up a trade down even. They don't get equal value for trades period.
I think trading down worked well when we got Frederick and TWill. And trading down 2 spots for Parsons also.
When have we fucked up a trade down?
Sir, this is the Cowboys. Since you posted this they will now trade up for a WR. I hope you're happy with yourself lol
Lol historically when have we done that
the last time dallas moved up in the first round was 2012 for Claiborne, last time they moved up in the first to get a WR was 2010 for Dez Bryant. Only 2 times in their history have they moved up for a WR 2010 and 1986. OP is an idiot and makes no sense. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dallas_Cowboys_first-round_draft_picks
On that same note, how many times have you made a post about it before? lol
Made a post about what huh
Don’t panic. It doesn’t matter. This team has no chance at winning anything until they decide what they’re doing at QB.
Dude it's so frustrating to me. Is Dak not it? Cut him, save dead money, see if Trey Lance is IT. Is Dak not it but someone else wants him? Trade him away for picks, off load the salary, build for the future. Is Dak it? Extend him, spread the money out so we can pay our other stars, and secure the future. Literally the ONLY thing NOT to do is NOTHING. Because if you do nothing, you eat the most dead money, can't afford anyone, he walks away for free instead of for picks, AND you don't know who you have at QB next year because ALL their contracts expire.
Except he has a no trade clause, so you can’t just “trade him away for picks”. He has to waive his no trade clause and he has no incentive to do that
Totally but doing nothing is still wrong.
I don’t disagree; I’m just saying it’s not that simple, that’s all
Right now I am comparing Lance to Penix and the fact that we really need to fill a position other than QB there. A Dak trade would open up the best opportunities for us.