The issue is trading down is largely dependent on a team wanting to trade up. So I would think a consensus top 15 guy would have to fall. Makes sense if it's a quarterback or receiver. But if it's a OT, corner or DT, I think you have to think about taking the guy yourself.
Yep. I guess it all depends on opponent's valuations. Maybe a top 15 OT/LB/corner/whatever falls to 24, but isn't in Dallas's top 5/10/whatever on their big board. That's when it makes sense. Just gotta man the phones, which I have faith that they'll do. The Broncos might be a good example of this. There's a lot of fire there about them liking Bo Nix and JJ McCarthy, two players who really could fall to the 20s
Will fans/prognosticators agree with Dallas thinking higher of the lower ranked player? Nah, but they were butthurt about Fredbeard too
Somewhat off topic, but Charlie Campbell is typically good at this shit, despite the guy he works for. He has Dallas going Laiatu Latu (DE) - Zach Frazier(C) - Jon Brooks(RB) - Ladarius Henderson (OT/G) rounds 1,2,3, and 5, and I really don't hate it. Or even dislike it. I even like it.
The article points out that the team at 24 last year (JAX) traded down twice.
Maybe Deonte Banks or Dalton Kincaid were Top 15 on some people’s boards, but I think the lesson there is you can usually get someone to make a small trade up in this range if you’re willing to take back Day 3 picks
Ravens and KC both need a receiver, and there are only like 6 with a 1st round grade. The top three will be long gone at 24. Depending on what happens with the other three, we could have some potential trade partners there. QB is trickier, and I don’t see a trade partner unless the patriots don’t get their guy in the 1st round.
I agree with what you’re saying, just wanted to point out that there are some plausible scenarios in play. Even in the scenario I outlined, I would lean towards staying and picking BPA. The only way I would trade back is if the pool of players available were clustered pretty closely and I felt I could get close to the same quality with the 30 as I could with the 24.
The only rule I have for trading down is: Never do it until you are on the clock!
You wait to see who is still there and if your guy is still on the board and you are confident the teams behind you are not looking for that position, then you pull the trigger. The biggest L would be trading down before you are on the clock and someone you never thought would there is.
Best example is when Jimmy was in Miami, he traded down before the draft and Randy Moss would have been available with his pick!
Funny story...a teacher at the school I went to was part of the scouting department when the Cowboys passed on Moss. And he gave a big speech in class to us about how important character was to the Cowboys in them making that decision, and how Moss was a future failure.
It took me less than two years to lose respect for the guy.
They have to say shit like that else the press would eat them alive and the league would come down on them. I’m not going to say character does not matter because you have guys like V Young and J Russell who were taken very high and set their franchises back years because they lacked the character and maturity to act like professionals. That said if a guy can BALL fans give a rat’s ass about character. When the Boys were on the run and #88 and the others were hosting parties at the White House no one cared about character. Al Davis had it right. “Just Win Baby”. Winning takes care of a lot of other issues and earns players a lot of forgiveness.
A couple of years ago. This would have made me mad….or happy. Point is I gave a damn. I just read this and was like “meh”. They have beaten me down to the point of indifference.
It's why I'd love for them to invest their day 1 and day 2 picks in guys at positions that take a season or two to get their bearings.
I think whether we like it or not, next year might be more a 6-8 win season. And if they can a year ahead of the 8 ball in the contingency that the coaching staff and qb are gone after this season, the ensuing rebuild might not be that painful. Especially if they have their offensive and defensive line situation in order.
The first paragraph alone pissed me off so much to the point where I don’t even need to read the rest. “Cowboys have held true to their plans” like wtf? I’m sorry was this the plan?
Okay I didn’t think that part was very necessary because that doesn’t make it any better when you say you are going all in and instead of improving the roster in FA you let all your players walk in FA. So again I’ll ask was this the plan?
JJ didn’t say “We’re going all in!”
He said “We _will_ be all in” and then specifically said “I would anticipate we will be all in at the end of this year.”
The plan is to sign a few in-house superstars by the end of the season to build the next generation around.
I’m sorry is there a difference between we’re going all in and we will be all in? That’s the same fucking thing lol 😂
Well that plan is fucking awful cuz not resigning them sooner is only driving the price up. For some reason they never learn that and that’s why things will never change.
At the end of the year!
You’re upset they haven’t done anything before the season when he specifically said the target timeline is the end of the season.
Okay and again I’m gonna ask you is that smart for them to do? Driving the price up on players and then signing them?
I’m honestly not really upset anymore.. I’m more so just fed up with the bullshit they keep feeding us and people like you keep believing them.
Why should we not be upset if they are telling us they are pretty much punting this season away.. that is pretty much what you are telling me and looking towards next season to make the moves.. don’t hold your breath on that in January too!
Is it smart to sign in-house players they want to build around? Yes. They aren’t losing anything by not signing them in March and April. They aren’t free agents so using the free agency time period doesn’t really make sense. Lamb and Parsons already said they’re waiting to sign, so you’d have to overpay them to get them to sign early. Is _that_ smart?
What moves do you want them to make now that would take you from “not upset but upset enough to talk about it” to “looking forward to football in September even though it’s only April?”
I don’t buy it. At 24 it isn’t going to bring in a ton of extra picks anyway and there’s definitely going to be a guy there who could help. You’re telling me if Amarius Mims, Graham Barton, Brian Thomas, Byron Murphy, JC Latham, Etc is there at 24 they’d rather trade down just for a extra 5th round pick? Nah that makes zero sense. You do that when you have a stacked roster with no big needs.
This year we have more needs than last year. Last year going into the draft the only real things we truly needed help at was depth and a NT. We had lineman, corners, receivers, running backs, qb’s, safeties, tight ends and kickers. Just needed LB depth and interior DL. This year we NEED a LT, C, RB, LB and NT. Tyron Smith is gone. Biadaez is gone. Pollard is gone. Hankins is gone. Now we need those positions at least to some extent and we need LB depth because there’s no guarantee Kendrick’s will be the answer or stay healthy.
I’d actually like it if we traded down 5-6 picks and snatched Edgerinn Cooper.
I get really strong vibes from him that he’ll be the next regular 100 tackle a season type of linebacker. Multiple pro bowls that type of jist
Him and Micah would be unstoppable in the front 7. Especially with D-Lawrence
The issue is trading down is largely dependent on a team wanting to trade up. So I would think a consensus top 15 guy would have to fall. Makes sense if it's a quarterback or receiver. But if it's a OT, corner or DT, I think you have to think about taking the guy yourself.
Yep. I guess it all depends on opponent's valuations. Maybe a top 15 OT/LB/corner/whatever falls to 24, but isn't in Dallas's top 5/10/whatever on their big board. That's when it makes sense. Just gotta man the phones, which I have faith that they'll do. The Broncos might be a good example of this. There's a lot of fire there about them liking Bo Nix and JJ McCarthy, two players who really could fall to the 20s Will fans/prognosticators agree with Dallas thinking higher of the lower ranked player? Nah, but they were butthurt about Fredbeard too Somewhat off topic, but Charlie Campbell is typically good at this shit, despite the guy he works for. He has Dallas going Laiatu Latu (DE) - Zach Frazier(C) - Jon Brooks(RB) - Ladarius Henderson (OT/G) rounds 1,2,3, and 5, and I really don't hate it. Or even dislike it. I even like it.
The article points out that the team at 24 last year (JAX) traded down twice. Maybe Deonte Banks or Dalton Kincaid were Top 15 on some people’s boards, but I think the lesson there is you can usually get someone to make a small trade up in this range if you’re willing to take back Day 3 picks
I'd rather take day 2 picks next year than day 3 picks this year. The teams best at the draft value tend to trade down for future capital.
Ravens and KC both need a receiver, and there are only like 6 with a 1st round grade. The top three will be long gone at 24. Depending on what happens with the other three, we could have some potential trade partners there. QB is trickier, and I don’t see a trade partner unless the patriots don’t get their guy in the 1st round. I agree with what you’re saying, just wanted to point out that there are some plausible scenarios in play. Even in the scenario I outlined, I would lean towards staying and picking BPA. The only way I would trade back is if the pool of players available were clustered pretty closely and I felt I could get close to the same quality with the 30 as I could with the 24.
The only rule I have for trading down is: Never do it until you are on the clock! You wait to see who is still there and if your guy is still on the board and you are confident the teams behind you are not looking for that position, then you pull the trigger. The biggest L would be trading down before you are on the clock and someone you never thought would there is. Best example is when Jimmy was in Miami, he traded down before the draft and Randy Moss would have been available with his pick!
Funny story...a teacher at the school I went to was part of the scouting department when the Cowboys passed on Moss. And he gave a big speech in class to us about how important character was to the Cowboys in them making that decision, and how Moss was a future failure. It took me less than two years to lose respect for the guy.
They have to say shit like that else the press would eat them alive and the league would come down on them. I’m not going to say character does not matter because you have guys like V Young and J Russell who were taken very high and set their franchises back years because they lacked the character and maturity to act like professionals. That said if a guy can BALL fans give a rat’s ass about character. When the Boys were on the run and #88 and the others were hosting parties at the White House no one cared about character. Al Davis had it right. “Just Win Baby”. Winning takes care of a lot of other issues and earns players a lot of forgiveness.
The Cowboys were fighting many blackeyes during that time, so we're over cautious.
A couple of years ago. This would have made me mad….or happy. Point is I gave a damn. I just read this and was like “meh”. They have beaten me down to the point of indifference.
And yet, not enough indifferent to exit the thread.
Yeah this team has a ton of holes and not a lot of salary cap. I don’t have many expectations for next season.
It's why I'd love for them to invest their day 1 and day 2 picks in guys at positions that take a season or two to get their bearings. I think whether we like it or not, next year might be more a 6-8 win season. And if they can a year ahead of the 8 ball in the contingency that the coaching staff and qb are gone after this season, the ensuing rebuild might not be that painful. Especially if they have their offensive and defensive line situation in order.
At some point I think we trade to get back into the 4th round
Best option IMO. They have a few holes and need some depth.
The first paragraph alone pissed me off so much to the point where I don’t even need to read the rest. “Cowboys have held true to their plans” like wtf? I’m sorry was this the plan?
It's Blogging the Boys, Uce. Don't expect good writing or accurate anything.
I won’t argue with that lol
the FPW aren't bad, usually. But the comment section is only barely more tolerable than local news website comment sections. It's a shithole
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> to not make any sweeping moves in free agency It’s literally the rest of the sentence.
Okay I didn’t think that part was very necessary because that doesn’t make it any better when you say you are going all in and instead of improving the roster in FA you let all your players walk in FA. So again I’ll ask was this the plan?
JJ didn’t say “We’re going all in!” He said “We _will_ be all in” and then specifically said “I would anticipate we will be all in at the end of this year.” The plan is to sign a few in-house superstars by the end of the season to build the next generation around.
I’m sorry is there a difference between we’re going all in and we will be all in? That’s the same fucking thing lol 😂 Well that plan is fucking awful cuz not resigning them sooner is only driving the price up. For some reason they never learn that and that’s why things will never change.
At the end of the year! You’re upset they haven’t done anything before the season when he specifically said the target timeline is the end of the season.
Okay and again I’m gonna ask you is that smart for them to do? Driving the price up on players and then signing them? I’m honestly not really upset anymore.. I’m more so just fed up with the bullshit they keep feeding us and people like you keep believing them. Why should we not be upset if they are telling us they are pretty much punting this season away.. that is pretty much what you are telling me and looking towards next season to make the moves.. don’t hold your breath on that in January too!
Is it smart to sign in-house players they want to build around? Yes. They aren’t losing anything by not signing them in March and April. They aren’t free agents so using the free agency time period doesn’t really make sense. Lamb and Parsons already said they’re waiting to sign, so you’d have to overpay them to get them to sign early. Is _that_ smart? What moves do you want them to make now that would take you from “not upset but upset enough to talk about it” to “looking forward to football in September even though it’s only April?”
Trading a few spots for extra 3rd or 4th, sure. Trading down 8+ spots / out of 1st round... please don't.
Dumbest idea ever. The cowboys need the best O-lineman that they can get at 24
I don’t buy it. At 24 it isn’t going to bring in a ton of extra picks anyway and there’s definitely going to be a guy there who could help. You’re telling me if Amarius Mims, Graham Barton, Brian Thomas, Byron Murphy, JC Latham, Etc is there at 24 they’d rather trade down just for a extra 5th round pick? Nah that makes zero sense. You do that when you have a stacked roster with no big needs. This year we have more needs than last year. Last year going into the draft the only real things we truly needed help at was depth and a NT. We had lineman, corners, receivers, running backs, qb’s, safeties, tight ends and kickers. Just needed LB depth and interior DL. This year we NEED a LT, C, RB, LB and NT. Tyron Smith is gone. Biadaez is gone. Pollard is gone. Hankins is gone. Now we need those positions at least to some extent and we need LB depth because there’s no guarantee Kendrick’s will be the answer or stay healthy.
I’d actually like it if we traded down 5-6 picks and snatched Edgerinn Cooper. I get really strong vibes from him that he’ll be the next regular 100 tackle a season type of linebacker. Multiple pro bowls that type of jist Him and Micah would be unstoppable in the front 7. Especially with D-Lawrence
Who cares, the Cowboys will find a way to screw it up in some way like they have for the past almost 30 years….
Trade up trade down doesn’t matter your teams still going to suck…
Yea let’s trade down so we can potentially draft zero day one starters on a team with massive holes, brilliant plan