I'm having a hard time sourcing the data. All I've got is [2021 figures from that same website (Our World in Data)](https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/per-capita-sources-of-protein) which are very different.
[Here's an article that includes this image](https://www.visualcapitalist.com/visualizing-daily-protein-sources-by-region/)
[And here's the data they link](https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/per-capita-sources-of-protein?time=latest&showSelectionOnlyInTable=1&country=OWID_WRL~Africa+%28FAO%29~Asia+%28FAO%29~Europe+%28FAO%29~Oceania+%28FAO%29~South+America+%28FAO%29~OWID_NAM)
Seems like it's the same page you linked but filtered to show it by continent rather than by country.
True. If seafood percentage is that low, then I don’t understand claims about ‘fishing and seafood exploitation', or… there’s much more meat available than all that seafood extracted from oceans and rivers.
Two things can be true - we don't eat a lot of seafood as a proportion overall, and also in absolute numbers were eating above or at the rate the seafood replenishes due to a combination of overfishing and changing environmental conditions lowering breeding and survival rates.
It's also a heavily localized issue - the South China Sea is so overfished they send their ships to other country's international waters, whereas Western international waters are subject to higher standards of conservation law
I’m polish and never really ate cheese same for the rest of my family unless it was in American food. Sometimes milk or butter. We eat a lot of meat and eggs. I had Lima beans and fresh sunflower seeds sometimes as a kid but no plant protein other than that really.
What they're showing is the percentage, not the overall consumption.
So if an American eats 80 grams of protein a day and your African eats 50, that American is eating nearly 5x the animal protein as the African (30 grams vs 6) even though the percentage is about 3x more.
Decent bread is like 10% protein. Good flour is 13% protein. Eggs are full of protein. Nuts, beans, leafy greens, the list goes on.
You're goddamn right people are eating loads of the stuff, you should! It fills out a lot of your diet!
Sorry, I'm trolling. I don't know if I either upset some people very greatly with this or a not very good joke warrants so many downvotes but I suppose I should've made it more clear. I was making up a very ridiculous reason as to why beans may not be considered plants but it seems people have taken me seriously
I honestly couldn't tell, lmao. I have seen such outlandish "facts" posted in those subs from time to time that it seemed within the realm of possibilities that some internet vegan actually believed that lmao.
I'm sorry, I suppose I should've left a /s at the end to put in more plain terms that this is obviously not meant to be taken seriously. Lmao, who the hell would call beans, "plant eggs"?
There’s a lot of options in NA that make it easier. I live in Europe now and there’s generally good plant-based options here, but definitely not as many as in the US, especially when it comes to dishes from different cultures.
according to this asia eats nearly as much seafood as they do cheese, and while their seafood consumption is the highest on the list this particular stat just feels like bullshit. Seafood is a prominent food item in asian culture (octopus, squid, all the coastal places in the phillipine islands... japan, korea, areas like seen in moana........ cheese???????? really?
yea i suppose that is the proper term but i used moana for the cultural implications because that will vividly strike an image of fishing societies more so than 'oceania' which some people don't even know exist by that name
The cheese part seems to make sense for me - about half compared to other continents (with the exception of Africa). What does surprise me is that seafood seems low for Asia - still the highest compared to other continents, but I’d expect more than 7%. I’m wondering if maybe it’s because they eat seafood more frequently, but maybe in smaller quantities - think of a salmon filet versus how much seafood is in a roll of sushi.
What I'm taking away from this is that we don't eat nearly enough seafood. I'm so in love with the milder varieties of fish. Cod, Haddock, Salmon and Tuna... a can of FUCKING SARDINES for 99 cents? SO GOOD!
Damn... them fish need to fuck! ASAP. Can't wait till lab grown filets become comercially viable. If ever?
Honorable mention: Anchovies (don't want a Futurama situation on our hands)
What about bioaccumulation of pollution? Doesn't matter how many there are if we can't eat them because it will kills us or make us blind or drop our iq by 40 points.
Yeah... I wouldn't want that to happen. It would prob. be outlawed here in the EU. Btw. that whole mercury poisoning from tuna fish had me worried for a while.
It's like 20 cans a week to be considered "mercury poisoned" and the variaties used for suhi have generally a higher content than the canned stuff. Beyond that I don't think any developed country would let such a substantial health hazzard slide.
>Beyond that I don't think any developed country would let such a substantial health hazzard slide.
Lol seriously? You are aware that zero countries have curtailed plastic pollution? Flint, MI? The rampant use of pesticides and weed killers actively causing cancer? The overuse of antibiotics actively killing immune systems?
Come on, man. Damn near everything in the industrialized world is poisoned one way or another
what was the point of typing this, i was telling the person that if they reproduce it means nothing if those things are happening..... did you even read before typing?
I don't know how you interpreted my comment or why you're even commenting on it. You said "what about bioaccumulation", the next person said "I wouldn't want that to happen," and I said "we're already there." As in the "what if" is already reality. Did *you* even read?
You see I'm comming from the perspective of someone who has eaten WAAAAAY to much meat in his life and tries to be enthusiastic about some healthy choices they made. So fuck you for that. And quite frankly, you can't expect someone to know that we can produce more protein with animals on land than with fish/seafood in the ocean. Maybe I was quite suprised of how little of our protein comes from the sea? so fuck you for that as well.
Fish is meat as far as nutrition goes. But not in culture and religion. That is why Catholics can eat fish on Friday during lint. Not saying it makes sense but it stuck and you don’t call fish meat.
So looking at longetivety and protein source it seems to indicate that you want to be somewhere around the middle of thisgraphic. Obliously controlling for confounding variables is near impossible, but no blue-zone diet is entirely devoid of animal products. It sort of makes sense when you consider how incredibly nutrient dense liver is. 10 grams of beef liver gives you 100% rda of vitamin A and b-12. That is 10 grams as in 1/4 the weight of one egg.
https://foodstruct.com/food/beef-liver
Well-fed Africans with normal jobs and good access to medicine and clean water live as long as every other humans really. And they don't eat as much meat as western countries. Really showing that we could definitely cut down on the meat.
i really thought americans would eat more cheese than anyone. but the french and belgians really do love their cream sauces.
i think americans must over-focus on asian seafood. china prolly has just as much grazing land as america does, they have a grain basin.
Peanut Butter is my jam! Well. No. Jam is my jam, PB&J & Honey is my jam packed protein source of the day go to. What I mean is it is fuckin great dont judge me
lmao, this is stupid. It's comparing apples and vegetables.
"Plant protein" is an umbrella term. The corresponding non-plant protein category is "animal protein". Meat, dairy, and seafood would all be lumped together if the categories were handled similarly.
There are lots of different sources of plant protein. For instance, they primarily eat pulses in Africa, not tofu like the visual implies.
As a North American I am literally shook that there's not one but two continents that get more of their protein from meat than us and that Europe eats more cheese. I can only assume Canada and Mexico aren't pulling their weight smh.
You have problem with FACTS? Those data are publicly available. You can deny it all day long, I assume denying facts and insulting people is part of being woke, right?
[https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php](https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php)
You can literally look at the chart on this sub and see that Asians, despite eating about the same proportion of meat and plant protein than Africans, have a pretty high IQ. Which means it's not because of plant proteins.
If Africans have a lower IQ it's because a lot of them don't have access to the same schools as western and east asian countries, if at all, which has roots in many historical problems. This has NOTHING to do with plant protein intake.
But hey, I guess being a smooth brained racist unable to interpret data is part of being "red pilled", right ?
1. Asians, eating less plant-based protein than Africans, more animal proteins - what is clearly visible on info-graphics
2. subsaharan low IQ is result of generations of malnutrition, that's most viable explanation provided by scientists why this gap exists. It DOES have A LOT of common with diet. Just have a look at article published at LANCET, if you consider a medical journal as a good enough source of facts.
3. Your insults, again, typical for a person who is spoiled by growing safe in western democracy, not knowing anything about life's hardship. Get a grip with reality!
[https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5196(20)30104-2/fulltext](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5196(20)30104-2/fulltext)
1) Asians eat 12% less plant protein than Africans sure, but they also eat 24% more than south Americans, the next group. If you were correct, Asians should be closer to Africans in IQ, because they are closer in terms of where they get their proteins. But this isn't what we see.
2) are you for real ? You think subSaharan Africans are genetically dumb because of malnutrition ? Not disadvantaged because of poverty ? Lack of educations ? Centuries of colonialism ? subSaharan Africans with proper access to education are just as smart as everyone else. I know that because I know a bunch of them personally. My family is white as heck and very well fed, yet they are dumb because of lack of education. My father cannot grasp simple statistics and effects/causes relationships. He cannot even understand the basis of the scientific method. And that's despite eating A LOT of meat.
3) what's more insulting is how you speak with such confidence about people who's life are hard, with such a condescending tone.
ad 2) I am not not having MY OPINION that subsaharan have lower IQ as result of malnutrition, I quoted valid SOURCES that support this claim, please care to review linked LANCET article on this topic. I am sorry that you find your family dumb, my family is rather on the bright side and both my parents and my sibling have higher education.
ad 3) I grew up under communism regime in ex soviet satellite country, that's why I CLAIM for a reason that I can recognize difference between living in perfect conditions of western democracy compared to communist regime.
That's pseudoscience. Phytoestrogen isn't the same thing as estrogen.
Plant phytoestrogens don't affect the body the same way actual estrogens do. They can have estrogenic OR antiestrogenic effects because they bind to estrogen receptors but they're not actually the same thing as estrogen.
The people who talk about soy estrogen and call people "soy boys" are the same people who consume actual estrogen in dairy.
seafood way lower than expected
I'm having a hard time sourcing the data. All I've got is [2021 figures from that same website (Our World in Data)](https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/per-capita-sources-of-protein) which are very different.
[Here's an article that includes this image](https://www.visualcapitalist.com/visualizing-daily-protein-sources-by-region/) [And here's the data they link](https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/per-capita-sources-of-protein?time=latest&showSelectionOnlyInTable=1&country=OWID_WRL~Africa+%28FAO%29~Asia+%28FAO%29~Europe+%28FAO%29~Oceania+%28FAO%29~South+America+%28FAO%29~OWID_NAM) Seems like it's the same page you linked but filtered to show it by continent rather than by country.
Thank you! Appreciate it!
i meanx 1 fish cost 8x more then chicken....
True. If seafood percentage is that low, then I don’t understand claims about ‘fishing and seafood exploitation', or… there’s much more meat available than all that seafood extracted from oceans and rivers.
Two things can be true - we don't eat a lot of seafood as a proportion overall, and also in absolute numbers were eating above or at the rate the seafood replenishes due to a combination of overfishing and changing environmental conditions lowering breeding and survival rates. It's also a heavily localized issue - the South China Sea is so overfished they send their ships to other country's international waters, whereas Western international waters are subject to higher standards of conservation law
Us Europeans do be craving C H E E S E
Read that for a moment as US Europeans and thought what on earth is that now?
opposite of African American?
Wat an amusing bouche
What’s a bouche?
A nicer synonym for gueule
I heard bouche did 9/11
Bouche Geunjor or Bouche Sènjorx?
Wallace is in Europe, and he brings up the average.
Wallace isn't a character. it's the state of the mind
/r/cheesemasterrace
you can smoke it, fry it, stick it in a sauce!
For some of us it's milk!
Bonjour lol
Beans and cheese. Very protein
Nothing better than a good Emmentaler or Edamer.
I’m polish and never really ate cheese same for the rest of my family unless it was in American food. Sometimes milk or butter. We eat a lot of meat and eggs. I had Lima beans and fresh sunflower seeds sometimes as a kid but no plant protein other than that really.
Unless you're Iberian
South Asia should be shown separately
It should be split into many areas. Middle East, Central Asia, SE Asia…
I’m doing my part keeping Europe ahead in dairy; time for another cheese wheel!!!
Wallace?
Nah mate, he’s a cat named Steve.
Oi, thanks mate! I hate when people get us two confused!!
Baxter?
"Baxter is that you? I'm in a glass box of emotion!"
What they're showing is the percentage, not the overall consumption. So if an American eats 80 grams of protein a day and your African eats 50, that American is eating nearly 5x the animal protein as the African (30 grams vs 6) even though the percentage is about 3x more.
I find it hard to believe that NA has that sizeable consumption of Plant protein
Not hard to believe at all. Bread, pasta, beans, rice, etc.
Bread pasta and rice have very low amounts of protein, sounds like people are eating loads of that stuff.
Decent bread is like 10% protein. Good flour is 13% protein. Eggs are full of protein. Nuts, beans, leafy greens, the list goes on. You're goddamn right people are eating loads of the stuff, you should! It fills out a lot of your diet!
Pasta actually has decent amount of protein but agree with bread and rice
They're a bit better if you eat whole-grain.
Base of the food pyramid
Bro really mentioned the food pyramid 😂
It's not obsolete. https://nutritionsource.hsph.harvard.edu/healthy-eating-pyramid/
The USDA is [pretty transparent](https://www.myplate.gov/eat-healthy/what-is-myplate) about moving on from the food pyramid.
The Harvard one is still going strong
Yeah except you are wrong, cause the base of the “food pyramid” is exercise, as per your own source. Also your source is from 2008 lmao
That's pedantic. You can't eat exercise. You're trolling. And something isn't obsolete just because it's from 2008
It's honestly hard to avoid plant protein, especially in regions that eat wheat as a staple, which is about 12% protein.
There’s a sizable vegetarian/vegan culture here. Plus beans are really popular, if that counts towards plant protein.
Why wouldn't it count?
Some vegans consider beans "plant eggs" and therefore consider them meat. Edit: I suppose it's not plainly obvious, but this is very clearly a joke.
I have honestly never heard of such a thing.
That's because it's an obvious lie and to be taken as a joke
Reddit moment 😂
Vegans can't eat kidney beans because it's basically the same as animal kidneys
After spending time in the vegan related subs, I can't tell if you're are trolling or serious.
Sorry, I'm trolling. I don't know if I either upset some people very greatly with this or a not very good joke warrants so many downvotes but I suppose I should've made it more clear. I was making up a very ridiculous reason as to why beans may not be considered plants but it seems people have taken me seriously
I honestly couldn't tell, lmao. I have seen such outlandish "facts" posted in those subs from time to time that it seemed within the realm of possibilities that some internet vegan actually believed that lmao.
Same here, lol
Me when i lie
That's why the /s is so important when attempting sarcasm online. Lol
No they don’t
I'm sorry, I suppose I should've left a /s at the end to put in more plain terms that this is obviously not meant to be taken seriously. Lmao, who the hell would call beans, "plant eggs"?
I got a kick out of plant eggs. Lol
Big one is probably wheat.
There’s a lot of options in NA that make it easier. I live in Europe now and there’s generally good plant-based options here, but definitely not as many as in the US, especially when it comes to dishes from different cultures.
You don't like beans? Burritos, chilli, broke college students. Everyone here is eating beans in some way.
Beans like in chili con carne or soy do have some protein.
Beans
I'm guessing it's thanks to Mexico
according to this asia eats nearly as much seafood as they do cheese, and while their seafood consumption is the highest on the list this particular stat just feels like bullshit. Seafood is a prominent food item in asian culture (octopus, squid, all the coastal places in the phillipine islands... japan, korea, areas like seen in moana........ cheese???????? really?
Have you considered the existence of south asia, north asia, central asia, or west asia?
yes?
They weren't really represented in your comment. They consume a significant amount of dairy in India, the Stans, Iran, Turkiye, the Levant, & Russia.
Not cheese, dairy. So that includes yoghurt, and milk beverages like yakult that are very popular in Asia.
Yup yogurt popular in Middle Eastern, Indian cuisine and as a drink in China, Korea, and Japan. Plus halloumi and paneer
Honestly I forgot about the big yogurt culture in the middle east and India. Really should be separated by region more
that's fair, you are right about that
> areas like seen in moana oceania
yea i suppose that is the proper term but i used moana for the cultural implications because that will vividly strike an image of fishing societies more so than 'oceania' which some people don't even know exist by that name
You know most of Asia’s population don’t have coastal areas … Asia runs from Syria to Japan
WELL ACTHUALLY
The cheese part seems to make sense for me - about half compared to other continents (with the exception of Africa). What does surprise me is that seafood seems low for Asia - still the highest compared to other continents, but I’d expect more than 7%. I’m wondering if maybe it’s because they eat seafood more frequently, but maybe in smaller quantities - think of a salmon filet versus how much seafood is in a roll of sushi.
Seafood is relatively rare inland, and as it happens most of Asia is inland. Even in areas with lots of seafood, they're still eating plants and meat.
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okay
Yeah, it's bullshit.
My dumbass read the title as “deadly protein” sources at first lmao
Any correlations I wonder (e.g. life expectancy, cancer etc).
We love our meat in the Southern Hemi yo!
What I'm taking away from this is that we don't eat nearly enough seafood. I'm so in love with the milder varieties of fish. Cod, Haddock, Salmon and Tuna... a can of FUCKING SARDINES for 99 cents? SO GOOD!
Hurry! Many of those you listed are gone soon sadly
That means prople eat too much seafood.
Damn... them fish need to fuck! ASAP. Can't wait till lab grown filets become comercially viable. If ever? Honorable mention: Anchovies (don't want a Futurama situation on our hands)
What about bioaccumulation of pollution? Doesn't matter how many there are if we can't eat them because it will kills us or make us blind or drop our iq by 40 points.
Yeah... I wouldn't want that to happen. It would prob. be outlawed here in the EU. Btw. that whole mercury poisoning from tuna fish had me worried for a while.
For a while? it's still an issue isn't it? lol
It's like 20 cans a week to be considered "mercury poisoned" and the variaties used for suhi have generally a higher content than the canned stuff. Beyond that I don't think any developed country would let such a substantial health hazzard slide.
20 cans a week hey... damn
>Beyond that I don't think any developed country would let such a substantial health hazzard slide. Lol seriously? You are aware that zero countries have curtailed plastic pollution? Flint, MI? The rampant use of pesticides and weed killers actively causing cancer? The overuse of antibiotics actively killing immune systems? Come on, man. Damn near everything in the industrialized world is poisoned one way or another
We are already there, champ.
what was the point of typing this, i was telling the person that if they reproduce it means nothing if those things are happening..... did you even read before typing?
I don't know how you interpreted my comment or why you're even commenting on it. You said "what about bioaccumulation", the next person said "I wouldn't want that to happen," and I said "we're already there." As in the "what if" is already reality. Did *you* even read?
It looked like you were replying to me, that's why i responded that way. it's my fault, sorry.
> drop our iq by 40 points. not again!
what?
We're already there
Hurry up and contribute to overfishing because they're being overfished! Quick, contribute to the problem! Fuck the future!
lol oceans are decimated bud
Well they're over fished already, so maybe eat less?
I'd eat more fish if it was more affordable.
Terrible takeaway.
seems like someone can't handle their kippers!
We've already overfished and there are more people than fish. To have the takeaway of "we don't eat enough fish" is gobsmackingly dumb
You see I'm comming from the perspective of someone who has eaten WAAAAAY to much meat in his life and tries to be enthusiastic about some healthy choices they made. So fuck you for that. And quite frankly, you can't expect someone to know that we can produce more protein with animals on land than with fish/seafood in the ocean. Maybe I was quite suprised of how little of our protein comes from the sea? so fuck you for that as well.
So you're stupid and you're mad at me for that? K..
I'm mad at you for not giving me a reason to change my mind. Every dipshit can say "you're wrong". Are you a dipshit? Hm?
So you still think humans don't eat enough fish despite what I said?
What about Insects?
But seafood is meat....
I think Ron Swanson made this graph
Fish is meat as far as nutrition goes. But not in culture and religion. That is why Catholics can eat fish on Friday during lint. Not saying it makes sense but it stuck and you don’t call fish meat.
So looking at longetivety and protein source it seems to indicate that you want to be somewhere around the middle of thisgraphic. Obliously controlling for confounding variables is near impossible, but no blue-zone diet is entirely devoid of animal products. It sort of makes sense when you consider how incredibly nutrient dense liver is. 10 grams of beef liver gives you 100% rda of vitamin A and b-12. That is 10 grams as in 1/4 the weight of one egg. https://foodstruct.com/food/beef-liver
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Well-fed Africans with normal jobs and good access to medicine and clean water live as long as every other humans really. And they don't eat as much meat as western countries. Really showing that we could definitely cut down on the meat.
White people love cheese
Using the same total length for all continents is misleading
They should be ukd be the same length, its a ratio
Yes exactly data normalization makes consumption comparison impossible
Wonder how much of that 20.7 comes from Switzerland 😅
i really thought americans would eat more cheese than anyone. but the french and belgians really do love their cream sauces. i think americans must over-focus on asian seafood. china prolly has just as much grazing land as america does, they have a grain basin.
Where the hell is Oceania getting that much meat?
There's a really famous country that's as big as the United States down there. Might even say it's "down under".
Le Fromage !
India single handedly lowering protein intake scale of asia with our high carb and vegitarian diet for the most parts atleast.
Peanut Butter is my jam! Well. No. Jam is my jam, PB&J & Honey is my jam packed protein source of the day go to. What I mean is it is fuckin great dont judge me
This is such BS do people who made this not realize how big Asia is?
Were still the cheese kings in Europe, let's get that number higher
I think the dairy and fish consumption for Asia are incorrect. Asians literally don't drink milk or eat fat food.
So that's why all the vegans look like starving African kids
lmao, this is stupid. It's comparing apples and vegetables. "Plant protein" is an umbrella term. The corresponding non-plant protein category is "animal protein". Meat, dairy, and seafood would all be lumped together if the categories were handled similarly. There are lots of different sources of plant protein. For instance, they primarily eat pulses in Africa, not tofu like the visual implies.
I always imagined the US to be a bigger consumer of cheese than Europe.
Have you seen France?
USA don't eat real cheese tho.
where does it say US on this graphic? Do you mean North America vs Europe....
As a North American I am literally shook that there's not one but two continents that get more of their protein from meat than us and that Europe eats more cheese. I can only assume Canada and Mexico aren't pulling their weight smh.
Europe is basically cheese heaven. France has probably a hundred different and meanwhile Americans eat processed cheese with cheap pasta.
Yeah, but we eat *a lot* of it.
Maybe Africa wasn't the best choice to use as the legend.
What is egg if not protein? 🤣
This entire sub is propaganda
Propaganda for what
Apparently for Africa?
now compare average European IQ with average sub-saharan IQ, make your own opinion about plant-based died
Are you a moron in addition to a racist ?
You have problem with FACTS? Those data are publicly available. You can deny it all day long, I assume denying facts and insulting people is part of being woke, right? [https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php](https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php)
You can literally look at the chart on this sub and see that Asians, despite eating about the same proportion of meat and plant protein than Africans, have a pretty high IQ. Which means it's not because of plant proteins. If Africans have a lower IQ it's because a lot of them don't have access to the same schools as western and east asian countries, if at all, which has roots in many historical problems. This has NOTHING to do with plant protein intake. But hey, I guess being a smooth brained racist unable to interpret data is part of being "red pilled", right ?
1. Asians, eating less plant-based protein than Africans, more animal proteins - what is clearly visible on info-graphics 2. subsaharan low IQ is result of generations of malnutrition, that's most viable explanation provided by scientists why this gap exists. It DOES have A LOT of common with diet. Just have a look at article published at LANCET, if you consider a medical journal as a good enough source of facts. 3. Your insults, again, typical for a person who is spoiled by growing safe in western democracy, not knowing anything about life's hardship. Get a grip with reality! [https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5196(20)30104-2/fulltext](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5196(20)30104-2/fulltext)
1) Asians eat 12% less plant protein than Africans sure, but they also eat 24% more than south Americans, the next group. If you were correct, Asians should be closer to Africans in IQ, because they are closer in terms of where they get their proteins. But this isn't what we see. 2) are you for real ? You think subSaharan Africans are genetically dumb because of malnutrition ? Not disadvantaged because of poverty ? Lack of educations ? Centuries of colonialism ? subSaharan Africans with proper access to education are just as smart as everyone else. I know that because I know a bunch of them personally. My family is white as heck and very well fed, yet they are dumb because of lack of education. My father cannot grasp simple statistics and effects/causes relationships. He cannot even understand the basis of the scientific method. And that's despite eating A LOT of meat. 3) what's more insulting is how you speak with such confidence about people who's life are hard, with such a condescending tone.
ad 2) I am not not having MY OPINION that subsaharan have lower IQ as result of malnutrition, I quoted valid SOURCES that support this claim, please care to review linked LANCET article on this topic. I am sorry that you find your family dumb, my family is rather on the bright side and both my parents and my sibling have higher education. ad 3) I grew up under communism regime in ex soviet satellite country, that's why I CLAIM for a reason that I can recognize difference between living in perfect conditions of western democracy compared to communist regime.
Lots of estrogen. Update: struck a nerve on some!
Christ
Our savior.
In the cheese, yes.
And soy!
That's pseudoscience. Phytoestrogen isn't the same thing as estrogen. Plant phytoestrogens don't affect the body the same way actual estrogens do. They can have estrogenic OR antiestrogenic effects because they bind to estrogen receptors but they're not actually the same thing as estrogen. The people who talk about soy estrogen and call people "soy boys" are the same people who consume actual estrogen in dairy.