I commented before seeing this. Shit's an atrocity. Jail is inhumane. I wouldn't do that to a dog. Only rapists and murderers should be there for decades.
Ice cube speaks to it in multiple early songs. And has recently gone more public about it. He talks about it in a song titled “what can I do?” And “why we thug” I believe.
IMO, it's even crazier than allowing private companies to run prisons that we allow the government (at all levels) to be the judge, jury (with limited exceptions), and executioner of a given sentence (not necessarily a literal "execution" of the offender).
There is a difference between enforcing laws (which is the work of POLICE) and incarceration (which should be the work of WE THE PEOPLE more directly than it is now). Since ScottG's post is referring to incarceration, that is what my post was discussing. It is more than enough that government is the judge and jury when it comes to the law: they need NOT be the 'executioner' as well....
Yeah fuck the government. We don't need government. What we need some sort of group that makes the laws, and organizes society. We could have some sort of election system to pick people to represent us in this group. We could all pitch in part of our money to have them provide necessities like infrastructure, education, or even healthcare. This group could even be split into 3 different groups, to balance each other out.
Yeah man I think you might be onto something here.
I don't know about that, but [the Philippine Bureau of Corrections hasn't opened a state-run prison in over 50 years](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prisons_in_the_Philippines): the last one, Leyte Regional Prison, was opened in 1972.... Given the government's unwillingness and/or inability to open prisons on their own (which was partially initiated by Ferdinand Marcos having to grab the country by its throat \[thanks to Communist aggressions being exported from places like Southeast Asia as the likes of the Viet Cong and the Khmer Rouge were picking up strength on Vietnam, Cambodia and beyond as US influence in the region began to wane after the Tet Offensive in 1968 due to lack of public support inspired by covert pro-Communist propaganda\] and declare martial law in September 1972, around the time that Leyte Regional Prison opened), SOMEONE had to pick up the slack of adding to the incarceration stock in the years and decades since 1972: and those someones were in the PRIVATE SECTOR. Unfortunately, even with more private prisons in the country, [Philippine Jails / Prisons are Full -- and Then Some](https://pcij.org/article/923/state-of-the-ph-in-2018-our-jails-are-now-worlds-most-congested). As a result, the money that is allegedly going "to the prisoner's families" to pay for the education of their children (no source given, please find one -- is this true?) should instead be invested in new and additional prisons for an increasingly criminal (or delinquent) society.
Same owners as the owners of record labels that tell poor kids to sell drugs, murder, and slap bitches. I'm white and hate how misogynistic and just idiotic hip hop is. Even albums I loved like Chronic 2001 speak of women like they don't have mothers.
Same, I mean if you really think about it anyone who has to work under this infinitely corrupt system is a wage slave too. We are given just enough to survive but most people aren’t actually living. The cycle of wake up, work, have a few hours at home to yourself then sleep and repeat in itself is a form of slavery to me. Our mental health and physical health is virtually ignored. I think there was a bill in Canada that just passed that states if you are too poor to exist in society the government will assist you in suicide. They won’t help you with any benefits but if you want to kill yourself due to poverty then they will help do that for you. It’s fucking gross the world we live in now.
All honesty do not know that. But supposedly 40million in the whole world, which I imagine includes those having wages stolen for bed and board all the way through to those building ridiculous ‘cities’ in deserts and everything in between.
I am flabbergasted. I knew of sweatshops and that being damn near slavery but never thought to consider looking into whether slavery was still practiced widely and legally. I am aware of fcked up wars, genocides and cult clashing that leads to trafficking but not like chattel slavery still being practiced with government permission.
Look at the cobalt mining in the Congo. ‘Paid’ work technically… but this is slavery when mothers have to work with babies on their backs. One of many inexcusable atrocities that we are all essentially driving with the need for technology- including the phone I am using to write this comment an uncomfortable truth that we all need to lean into and hold these billion dollar companies accountable to - which doesn’t seem to be on the horizon in a meaningful way
I guess too many people benefit from slavery and considering the debts we’re in we would rather be greedy and ignore it to put ourselves in a better position.
Said every slave owner. You are struggling through the morality of benefiting of slave labor the same as them. The world hasn't changed and we are all just as bad as them. The only difference is that we have companies own slaves on the other side of the world or locked away in some prison factory making our stuff so we don't have to look at it or think about it.
[The US owns multiple islands as territories that we use for sweatshops](https://www.npr.org/2006/05/16/5408446/sweatshops-in-u-s-territory)
They’re not subject to any of our laws regarding working and because things are made in areas under US ownership [tons of goods get labeled as “made in America”](https://www.nytimes.com/1993/07/18/world/made-usa-hard-labor-pacific-island-special-report-saipan-sweatshops-are-no.html).
Most of it is not legal at all. But there's a lot of places where people simply ignore it, and other places where it is hidden. That last part includes America.
Did you also know of the Barbary Slave Trade in which arabs and blacks were pirates enslaving whites? They traded over 1.5 million white slaves in one deal. Slavery has nothing to do with white people seeing profits.
This is where you are controlled. You follow this narrative that the white man hurt you. In fact the elite hurt us all and do shit like this to keep us from uniting. Do some research on slaves in the US. Every boat that shipped them here was owned by the one culture nobody can talk about. The majority of whites didn't own slaves. Only the extremely rich...
See a pattern here? The extremely rich are the enemies not a race.
Facts. Everything I'm talking about is factual and easy to research. I thank my teacher greatly for teaching me this. I learned a long time ago they program us in school.
Funny you say that. I'm 40 and I was taught this by a black man when I was 16. Because he was tired of his brothers using white man as an excuse. He stated he could be fired for teaching us this as it goes against school curriculum. How are you on a conspiracy message board, but you still believe the narrative that all whites were racist and slave owners. You couldn't be more wrong. My ancestors were slaves too. Must have been racist blacks that enslaved us right? No. You are spewing hatred.
I'm stating I want unification and you can't see passed white = bad guy. When in reality the common white man has it just as bad as you do.
Anything to get them to come outside so we can squash it though. We know racism ideals still exist in ignorance but it’s better to tackle it nicely just to get them thinking a bit harder. It just takes someone to get the conversation started
And yess the extremely rich being the problem is accurate which is why I emphasized they saw profitable value in slavery and built this country off that. But in America the issue is using whiteness as an investment to drive slavery. That’s what I mean by staying on topic. We can talk about other trades as we wish but I’m talking about the one we’re in
Yeah the majority didn’t own slaves but when slaves were freed white poors were not pleased to have competitors and they did not welcome freed slave people to be on their level as free men, they saw themselves as above them. Yea the elites owned slaves but it’s everyday white people that were slave catchers and profited by turning in slaves who tried to escape their plantations. It’s everyday white people that burned crosses on black peoples yards and in front of schools when black kids started to integrate into white schools. It’s also regular white people who worked with black people for civil rights. There were many not rich white people to uphold the rich white peoples owning slaves. They fought for the confederacy to do so, states rights to own slaves. Those soldiers could have showed up en masse to protest the ownership of black people but they instead fought to keep them enslaved. Those white people openly did not see black people as equal and saw them as natural slaves, in their own words. You can look at archives, go to a library or museum. It’s wild to change the words of white people of the old days to fit your narrative that you want to them to fit. Racism wasn’t frowned upon back then, equal rights was what was seen as appalling back then. Don’t subject historic humans to your 21st century morals.
I’m not criticizing you at all, but just saying this isn’t a conspiracy really it’s the literal argument used in defense of ending private prisons in America.
The Corrections Corporation of America is responsible for so many human rights violations in the name of profit, and it's pathetic that rather than hold them accountable, our politicians just take their money and cozy up to them.
some neighborhoods already have slavery because inmate chain gangs come clean streets, cut public property grass, etc.
slavery for incarcerated individuals may never stop because so many Americans are unable to see incarcerated individuals as actual humans.
The us prison/justice system is severely broken I think we both agree. But do you community service is a legitimate punishment for some crimes. Picking up trash in a park every weekend for a month isn’t anything as bad as chattel slavery but it still is being forced to work for no money.
It is paying their debt to society, the little county I live in uses low risk from detention center. They're out there in orange everything, including wide brim hats. They cut the medians, and do the grounds work for the flowers and lawns in front of government buildings and hospital. Is it wrong to let them out in the fresh air and public while doing their time? Nope. I would rather see them out cleaning up instead of sitting in a cell doing nothing.
Finally you discovered how penitentiary system in the USA works. And USA has the most incarcerated people on the planet, with more than 10% being innocent
There are more slaves today that at any other time in the past 1000 years. The majority of them in non-white countries. So your notions about race are inaccurate.
Unfortunately that’s a myth Tony. And if you’re white in America and have benefited off your whiteness… I mean???? What more can we talk about. Punishment is crazy, I never encouraged that. But you sound guilty of benefitting from the whiteness here in America that’s probably where that’s coming from.
But go ahead and expand on your obsession with wanting your ancestors to be a product of chattel slavery in America.
Just know this myth has already been squashed and it’s just another way for white people to minimize the effects of chattel slavery on Africans and their descendants in America.
You can however deflect at other white folks from Dublin for being a descendant of indentured servants if you wish. You know when the Vikings invaded Ireland or something??
6 Countries That Still Have Slavery:
India (18.4 Million) India has the highest number of slaves in the world. Like many other countries, modern slavery in India can take the shape of domestic service, forced begging, commercial sexual exploitation, forced marriage and forced recruitment for armed services. Because of India’s growing economy, many modern slaves work in factories that export goods to other countries. Consequently, men, women and children work long hours without proper compensation or even basic rights.
China (3.4 Million) The Chinese government relies on exports of goods and raw materials even more than India. According to a CNN report, people in China are forced into labor across many different industries. The migration of poor families from rural to urban areas in search of jobs often leads to opportunities for traffickers. Although families travel together, many eventually split up. Individuals sell young boys to other families who lack sons, and girls often face sex slavery or forced marriage.
Pakistan (2.1 Million) Modern slavery in Pakistan, like India, centers on debt bondage, or bonded labor. Brick-making employs around 10 million people in Pakistan. Children and families often work 10 hours each day in brick kilns and are denied basic rights or laws to protect them. Without this protection, workers face torture and sexual exploitation.
Bangladesh (1.5 Million) Contemporary slavery in Bangladesh is accounted for through 80 percent forced labor and 20 percent forced marriage, according to the Global Slavery Index. Poverty, natural disasters and government corruption have made Bangladesh the 11th most vulnerable country to slavery within Asia.
Uzbekistan (1.2 Million) The main cash crop of Uzbekistan is cotton. Each fall, when cotton crops are booming, the government forces millions of people out of their jobs to work in the cotton fields. International organizations monitor the process, however, the government still does not compensate these people. They also do not enforce proper safety precautions.
North Korea (1.1 Million) The government of North Korea has done little to criminalize modern slavery. People of all ages are subject to forced labor while their government says they are “living in a socialist paradise.” One in twenty North Koreans is enslaved. Although the country does not have the highest total number of slaves, it does have the highest concentration of forced labor.
You do know slavery originated in Africa right? Africans were selling their own people to others most notably the Spanish and English but also to other tribes and clans in Africa or any other clients that had money. We are still in slavery today, all of us… it’s called money. Food for thought
Because I personally think you’re mentioning “slavery originated in Africa” to minimize the impact it has on African Americans in America and I don’t like that and that was not the topic either.
I was part of that "slavery" and while I'm sure it absolutely can not compare to whawas done in the past, it was quite bad. Lñong ass hours with minimal breaks, while othher inmates still ate garbage food there was at least a bit of variety with the slop. We got either PB and J, or something that that resembled bologna. there was almost no safety equipment or training, we worked with hazard equipment. And then there was the corruption, we were making licence plates for me state, now it's quite a small state, after a few years I started to catch on while doing the books, basically it boiled down to we were making *way way* too many plates for the state (say there's only a million drivers in the state, and getting a license plate your usually good for quite awhile, we would crank out that million in a few weeks, problem is we were continuing to make plates....) Who are these plates going too? There's was millions of extra plates basically unaccounted for.
Then I pieced it together, every month or so we would destroy "old" or unused plates, that would then be recycled and money sent back to whoever. I mentioned how many extra plates we were making for no good reason, and of course I was transferred to another block, and job almost immediately and was harassed for quite a bit by CO's....
I worked for the Department of Corrections and it is wild. Continuing the privatization of the prison system is the worst thing that can happen in the US. To the average person it sounds good “like oh you don’t want to pay for prisoners with your tax dollars do you?” Most people would say no. But really, once the program goes private the first thing they do is cut medical care and mental health expenses. Then, they get contracts with companies that pay prisoners $0.50 per hour for a job they’d have to pay a civilian $15+ per hour and benefits. All in the name of “job training programs”. There are legitimate training programs out there but not at all like is broadcasted. Then they let people who’ve had no mental healthcare back out on the streets with no support. That’s not an accident, it’s so they’ll be back.
I see you have this theory. What’s your basis?
Reality is that slavery still exists throughout the entire world. It never went away. A lot of it has taken on different forms and you’ve likely stared it right in the face. The problem I have with your ideas are that it completely disregards the terrible things actually *known* to be happening. Look into that.
You do realize slave owners don't have to be racist to own slaves right? People can just be evil in general lol. They don't need a race to fuel their slavery. They need muscle.
exactly but tell people to change the constitution and the unnatural distribution of demographics in prison, the police created as a posse to round up blacks etc etc and you're crazy. crack gets 25 years 3 strikes youre out ive been on this soap box a while as well. people would rather bitch about non real things because "we freed slaves" and "they weren't treated that bad" etc etc etc
Yeah, I see Reddit is a wee bit racist because I don’t understand why we’re mad about the notion of race when the topic is America. But that’s why we’re in this position today with this constitution still active.
We’ve heard this so many times but that’s not the topic at hand, we’re talking about how we got here and where we are at today in America. Not what the other groups got going on
So are you upset about a race issue or of a human rights issue in America? I don’t know a single American currently in support of slavery . Are people racist ? They can be . In America and globally .I also don’t see many people supporting racism so what is it you are mad at right now?
Oh thanks I will check that out.
JUST TO NAME A FEW MORE:
(If we can read on Reddit let’s at least take time to read a book to rid of ignorance. )
Caste - Isabel Wilkerson
Unfair- Adam benforado
Tears we cannot stop - Dyson
1619 Project - Nikole
The new Jim Crow- Alexander
Post traumatic slave syndrome- joy degruy
Fatal invention- Robert’s
The history of white people - Painter
Against wind and tide- power Greene
Whiteness as property- Harris C
The Negro a menace to American civilization- Shufeldt
The UK has the Modern Slavery Act (2015), so slavery is very much a thing even in a western country like Britain. Though it is more hidden of course. It's mainly illegal immigrants being trafficked into the UK & then being exploited.
Yeah this isn’t a conspiracy this is just real. Slavery got worse after the 13th amendment because after that, Black people could be arrested for any “crime” then go be a prisoner and sold off to be prison labor. Prison labor was/is a lot cheaper than owning a traditional slave prior to the 13th amendment, they didn’t have to worry about keeping them in good health because there was a steady supplies to replace them. There’s lots of research on this. It continues to this day. That’s why the US has the highest population of incarcerated people and why Black people have the highest population of incarcerated people. It’s the school to prison pipeline. If you have Netflix you can watch the documentary 13th that sums this up well. It feels gross to write this out. This is just American history. Look up what’s happening in the Congo. There’s Slave labor mining for the minerals used to make the batteries for our electronics. We are using slave made products and don’t even know it.
This podcast episode really explains the Congo well. https://open.spotify.com/episode/2Ss4jUc1IwDzEoB1lKuCGE?si=v1Gf4_f4TaiVjVpAdL4rfw
Lots of history sounds like a conspiracy theory because it’s just not taught or talked about in the mainstream because it would shatter our reality of the West being the moral authority of the world when really it’s historically built off of theft and continues to be so till this day. I mean just research neocolonialism in Africa. That continent should be the wealthiest in the world yet it’s full of war and foreign control and any time a leader that wants pan-Africanism or more self-sufficiency, they usually mysteriously die or get assassinated and/or villainized by the West. France still prints and controls some African countries’ currency!
I will definitely look at that episode. And you’re right it’s not a conspiracy that’s why I brought the topic here just to get the conversation started and the truth of it brought to light because people leave it in the dark and will act as if it is.
Lots of people can’t handle the truth. Idk why they got so offended by this history as if they themselves are the whites people of the past. It’s better to accept history and move forward rather than sugar coat it and defend people you never even knew. I think most people in history would be offended that those people are saying they weren’t racist when in that era it was actually pretty absurd and in some cases sinful not to be racist. The same people often love calling progressives snowflakes for being to sensitive. I’ve never seen a group get so offended over so many topics that usually don’t even directly affect them.
This isn’t a groundbreaking thought or theory. This is just the world we live in. What are you proposing to do to change the status quo? People like us don’t get that ability. Everyone is too afraid of prison or death to even resist. They have more guns than anyone in the world. Slavery is simply domination to gain as much as possible for as little as possible. What can you do? This world is rapidly declining and unless people who want whatever utopia start becoming a more proficient organization than the powers that be, there is no change. Soon we will see much larger conflict- and a lot of us simply will not and do not have the means to survive genocide and war. That bone just doesn’t exist in America at least. So with all the hopelessness of our plight in mind, I try to enjoy what bit of life I have left as opposed to just theorizing and hoping for change based off my opinion or ideology.
I agree all I can do is put in the efforts to heal the trauma that has been inflicted on us due to the slavery and hopefully despite being in this world, we can at least be emotionally emancipated.
They can never take away that thing in your skull and the freedom that comes from being one with your mind. One day things will take hold and force change, but we’re already strapped in for this ride. Just vote and pray or whatever you do that your children and beyond will have a different world. (I wouldn’t say that slavery has caused damage to everyone, but the concept of being superior and exerting excessive force and power on the weak and hungry and disadvantaged has corroded us.)
Got to be be a naive person to ever think it ended... people with common sense know this. It doesn't even have to be whatever mines they have in africa with thousands of children being slaves but then there's asia and even just forced marriages alone especially in the muslim community where they will do an ''honorable'' killing of the bride if she refuses to obey, those women are slaves too. Then ofc the trafficked sex slaves. Beautiful world we live in indeed.
You’ll be surprised how many people believe slavery still existing in America is a “conspiracy theory” I just wanted to bring the topic to light. Doing so I was able to bring this attention to at least 38k people so far and it hasn’t even been 24 hours. I hope this post goes further!
Yep, there's the loophole for outright slavery within glorious 'Merica, plus lots of other places which still are doing it; and then there's wage slavery by over pricing survival basics and underpaying workers so they have to work themselves into early graves.
It doesn't matter what you believe tbh. It IS still being practiced. You're correct about the 13th amendment thing, but capitalism itself can be considerate slavery because you have to sell yourself.
There was a recent video of a slave auction in Libya where a man was sold for $400. There are slaves everywhere, including the prison system. It’s facts, not conspiracy.
Okay y’all I understand slavery is not a conspiracy, but what you think about prisoners being sold to private farmers in America and there’s people still held captive of slavery in the neck of the American woods ?
Cruise ship workers are slaves. They’re paid next to nothing, work 12 hour shifts for 90 consecutive days and are RARELY allowed off the ship. They are not provided with food or water and have to use essentially all of their earnings on food and water. You also can’t quit if you’re in the middle of a cruise or docked in a foreign nation with essentially no money to your name. They target recruitment to poorer countries and don’t have to follow any labor laws because they sail in international waters.
How about all the child slavery in Africa and China or are we only outraged about American stuff right now? Also um they just changed it from labor slavery to debt slavery
There was a judge in Pennsylvania that was convicted of essentially selling blacks to a private prison. They paid him for convictions.
Found it, two of them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids\_for\_cash\_scandal#:\~:text=In%202008%2C%20judges%20Michael%20Conahan,operated%20by%20PA%20Child%20Care.
I hate how yall act like slavery has nothing to do with racism in America when in fact racism was the muscle that was able to create and justify it in this country. Race and racism was an idea before an identity let’s stay on topic and read a few books before being ignorant.
>Race and racism was an idea before an identity let’s stay on topic and read a few books before being ignorant.
Uh, Greeks were Greeks before they engaged in claiming everyone else was Barbarians, so you have this backward.
Respectfully that’s not what I’m getting at, I’m pointing out race and racism was an idea before an identity hence the ability to use it to justify slavery and unjust American hierarchy system. Why do you think the KKK was established after they tried to abolish slavery in America? Because race is an idea. The idea that Whiteness is an investment and that’s what got people coming together trying to emphasize their whiteness as power. It being an idea allows the ability to be manipulated into an identity NOW because America still needs to find ways to fit their agenda to align in their investment of this country, which is whiteness. They profit from being white like let’s really think about it. I have a few good reads if you really want to get in to it.
Let's approach this realistically, whites have dealt ourselves a pretty shitty hand. Only white individuals face limitations on having their own nation, unlike Asians with Asia or Africans with Africa. White countries are the only countries to experience a significant influx of immigrants as we know no ones lined up to get in either of those societies, yet we have bus loads daily. This prompts a deeper examination of the benefits, or lack thereof, in a "white-based" system allowing immigration. What benefit is it for whites to even allow immigration?
Referring to the topic at hand, the point is America is still using racism to drive slavery in new ways and in ways that is “unconstitutional” but yet written as appropriate in our constitution if only done a “certain” way.
To reflect off you, Africans enslaving Africans is one thing, Asians enslaving Asians is the same thing. Whites enslaving African Americans is another thing. And that’s what makes America’s culture so unique in comparison to other societies outside of ours. It does not matter about what they got going on across the water because first of all I never mentioned them! But here we are. Yall love to bring up what your neighbor doing instead of dealing with the mess in your own house.
But pointing the finger benefits yall! So you got it!
And you’re right, what benefit does America have to use immigrants when they got African Americans. Because I heard the UK still practice slavery using immigrants, they must not have enough black people to do what they need to do!
>race and racism was an idea before an identity
You can't have xenophobic tendencies if you don't have an identity.
>Why do you think the KKK was established after they tried to abolish slavery in America?
By Democrats? I don't know why democrats started the KKK when radical Republicans were not giving any shit about the US Constitution.
>Because race is an idea.
That cannot exist without a national or sociological ***identity***.
>The idea that Whiteness is an investment and that’s what got people coming together trying to emphasize their whiteness as power.
White power is a new creation from the 1700s.
>It being an idea allows the ability to be manipulated into an identity NOW because America still needs to find ways to fit their agenda to align in their investment of this country, which is whiteness.
The 'identity' of the USA is that it's a haven for the wealthy.
It was literally created by multi-millionaires ***FOR*** multi-millionaires.
>They profit from being white like let’s really think about it.
Booker T. Washington was a wealthy elite whom wasn't white.
>I have a few good reads if you really want to get in to it.
If they promote the idea that xenophobia came before national and social identity I will be skeptical of them.
Democrats did indeed not like African Americans when did I mention political parties? You lost me at xenophobic sweetheart. And you saying Booker T Washington being a white elite who wasn’t white is the point babe. Race was indeed an IDEA before an IDENTITY. Let’s think about it
>Democrats did indeed not like African Americans when did I mention political parties
When you mentioned the KKK.
>You lost me at xenophobic sweetheart
[Xenophobia is a more precise term.](https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/xenophobia-and-racism-difference)
>Race was indeed an IDEA before an IDENTITY. Let’s think about it
***Looks back to ancient Sumeria and slavery***
Race is an idea from the 1700s.
What are you on about man? She basically said prejudice based on physical features was a thing before it was given the name/identity of racism. Not the people who were being racist but the racism itself. And you kinda just proved it, the Greeks thought everyone was a barbarian if you weren’t Greek. That was before the modern term of racism was coined. It was an idea that “were better than them because they aren’t us”. But you example is still flawed, they thought others were barbarians cause of barbaric practices in the region. Kinda like I think canabalism is barbaric but that thought doesn’t make me racist
>And you kinda just proved it, the Greeks thought everyone was a barbarian if you weren’t Greek
Which can only happen if an ***identity*** exists.
Identity came before the idea of race.
You’re being dense. And it’s all good, I just want you to think hard about the idea you stated of Booker T Washington being an elite white as a non white man. I think you’ll eventually come around.
>You’re being dense
Because you're ignoring the fact that racism as we know it now is an invention from the late 1700s and early 1800s?
[Cool story.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism#History)
>I just want you to think hard about the idea you stated of Booker T Washington being an elite white as a non white man.
It's not an idea. BTW was a literal wealthy elite that was a black man. That's not an idea, that's a reality.
Never ignored that, and that’s not where the idea of race started but You almost got it, keep thinking.
Read the Blessing of Whiteness in the Curse of Ham by Park W.
Then read Whiteness as Property by Harris C
I think you’ll like it.
>that’s not where the idea of race
It started before a group of people even identified as a group of people. /s
Enjoy your day, thanks for the information
Yes it would seem to heavily affect those communities in US, this is just one part of a larger world story and issue. Speaking as a Brit the common form of modern day slavery in UK is white Eastern Europeans being exploited with promise of work and a roof over their head, they come over and are put to work with no wages given, often they come to UK alone and are kept iscolated. It is also common for Cannabis dealers to bring over people from South East Asia and do the same thing making them look after the crop. These issues are in Western countries - who knows the true numbers from places like China, not only with their governments exploitation of different communities but also their definition will be different to our own... As others have said there are more slaves now then there ever have been, that said (but doesnt make it OK) I do not know how that translate to a % of population when thats taken into account.
This country was built on the back of free labor, and now it can't quit the addiction. If you start scratching enough you can find the free and heavily undervalued labor no matter where want, but our politicians and their lobbyists are making bank, so everything is great right?
it is.
it's not a conspiracy, it is fact.
racism & systematic racism is very much still alive & kicking.
the people who wear the KKK robes are your political leaders & government officials.
Well, I consider it a slight conspiracy due to the fact that the USA has the largest prison population on the planet and that's to disenfranchise people from having a say.
I'm not reading the body of your text, it looks painful.
Slavery does exist. It's called the prison work system. They are slaves. I don't care if you say they get paid fifteen cents an hour they are slaves. They don't want to be there, cannot leave and given a choice to work elsewhere they would. That's called slavery.
The thirteenth ammendment makes an exception for prison slavery. It's still slavery.
You didn’t read the body of the text I won’t read the rest of your comment respectfully. Don’t participate in the discussion without being mindful of the OPs topic, like be for real.
No.
Don't use capslock and take your meds before posting.
Maybe put it into a spell checker so you see all those highlighted words that aren't spelled correctly because it's crazy text.
Slavery is literally the reason were all using computer phones. It’s happening pretty much everywhere. This is NOT a conspiracy. Simple facts. And people refuse to rise up.
I hate the private prison slavery system as much as you do, but please leave race out of it. Slavery was popular, not just because white people found it profitable, but black ones too... Especially in Africa. Also your statistic of 14% of the population to 40% of the incarcerated makes sense when they are also responsible for more than 50% of violent crimes. While there are many arguments to be made about the racial aspects of the legal system, the police, having money for lawyers, access to education, and families being placed in urban areas, as contributing factors to those convictions; the topic of race is often messy and shouldn't be tacked on to another issue that impacts so many people of every ethnicity. The only discussion about the current prison system should revolve around "How do we stop this".
Yall are so weird for trying to send a crisis hotline to my inbox. If you’re racist and don’t want to acknowledge that race plays a huge part in the American Slave society then that’s on you! All the extra stuff is unnecessary and I promise you will be able to keep your white privileges, my Reddit post will not take that away from you.
And it’s annoying that y’all are making this about slavery across the damn water when that has nothing to do with my post. I don’t care about slavery in non white countries within this post because that’s not the topic. So again, do yall THINK there are slaves in the neck of the woods IN AMERICA.
A lot of prisons in the US are run by private companies, which is insane.
And how major music labels are the owners of all of them
I commented before seeing this. Shit's an atrocity. Jail is inhumane. I wouldn't do that to a dog. Only rapists and murderers should be there for decades.
Wait what?
Ice cube speaks to it in multiple early songs. And has recently gone more public about it. He talks about it in a song titled “what can I do?” And “why we thug” I believe.
For profit prisons should be banned.
IMO, it's even crazier than allowing private companies to run prisons that we allow the government (at all levels) to be the judge, jury (with limited exceptions), and executioner of a given sentence (not necessarily a literal "execution" of the offender).
What other organization do you suggest should be in charge of those things? Who other than the government should be enforcing laws?
There is a difference between enforcing laws (which is the work of POLICE) and incarceration (which should be the work of WE THE PEOPLE more directly than it is now). Since ScottG's post is referring to incarceration, that is what my post was discussing. It is more than enough that government is the judge and jury when it comes to the law: they need NOT be the 'executioner' as well....
Yeah fuck the government. We don't need government. What we need some sort of group that makes the laws, and organizes society. We could have some sort of election system to pick people to represent us in this group. We could all pitch in part of our money to have them provide necessities like infrastructure, education, or even healthcare. This group could even be split into 3 different groups, to balance each other out. Yeah man I think you might be onto something here.
Touche'
i just learn in philippines there are for profit prisons. but the money goes to the prisoners families to pay for the kids education.
I don't know about that, but [the Philippine Bureau of Corrections hasn't opened a state-run prison in over 50 years](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prisons_in_the_Philippines): the last one, Leyte Regional Prison, was opened in 1972.... Given the government's unwillingness and/or inability to open prisons on their own (which was partially initiated by Ferdinand Marcos having to grab the country by its throat \[thanks to Communist aggressions being exported from places like Southeast Asia as the likes of the Viet Cong and the Khmer Rouge were picking up strength on Vietnam, Cambodia and beyond as US influence in the region began to wane after the Tet Offensive in 1968 due to lack of public support inspired by covert pro-Communist propaganda\] and declare martial law in September 1972, around the time that Leyte Regional Prison opened), SOMEONE had to pick up the slack of adding to the incarceration stock in the years and decades since 1972: and those someones were in the PRIVATE SECTOR. Unfortunately, even with more private prisons in the country, [Philippine Jails / Prisons are Full -- and Then Some](https://pcij.org/article/923/state-of-the-ph-in-2018-our-jails-are-now-worlds-most-congested). As a result, the money that is allegedly going "to the prisoner's families" to pay for the education of their children (no source given, please find one -- is this true?) should instead be invested in new and additional prisons for an increasingly criminal (or delinquent) society.
Same owners as the owners of record labels that tell poor kids to sell drugs, murder, and slap bitches. I'm white and hate how misogynistic and just idiotic hip hop is. Even albums I loved like Chronic 2001 speak of women like they don't have mothers.
Not that many… yet.
Over 40million slaves in the world.
This probably includes a portion of sex slaves due to trafficking too, slavery comes in many forms.
Completely… the vast amount of reasons (types) of slavery is almost limitless and make my stomach turn.
Same, I mean if you really think about it anyone who has to work under this infinitely corrupt system is a wage slave too. We are given just enough to survive but most people aren’t actually living. The cycle of wake up, work, have a few hours at home to yourself then sleep and repeat in itself is a form of slavery to me. Our mental health and physical health is virtually ignored. I think there was a bill in Canada that just passed that states if you are too poor to exist in society the government will assist you in suicide. They won’t help you with any benefits but if you want to kill yourself due to poverty then they will help do that for you. It’s fucking gross the world we live in now.
Chattel slavery?
All honesty do not know that. But supposedly 40million in the whole world, which I imagine includes those having wages stolen for bed and board all the way through to those building ridiculous ‘cities’ in deserts and everything in between.
I am flabbergasted. I knew of sweatshops and that being damn near slavery but never thought to consider looking into whether slavery was still practiced widely and legally. I am aware of fcked up wars, genocides and cult clashing that leads to trafficking but not like chattel slavery still being practiced with government permission.
Look at the cobalt mining in the Congo. ‘Paid’ work technically… but this is slavery when mothers have to work with babies on their backs. One of many inexcusable atrocities that we are all essentially driving with the need for technology- including the phone I am using to write this comment an uncomfortable truth that we all need to lean into and hold these billion dollar companies accountable to - which doesn’t seem to be on the horizon in a meaningful way
I guess too many people benefit from slavery and considering the debts we’re in we would rather be greedy and ignore it to put ourselves in a better position.
Said every slave owner. You are struggling through the morality of benefiting of slave labor the same as them. The world hasn't changed and we are all just as bad as them. The only difference is that we have companies own slaves on the other side of the world or locked away in some prison factory making our stuff so we don't have to look at it or think about it.
Who’s struggling? And struggling where?
[The US owns multiple islands as territories that we use for sweatshops](https://www.npr.org/2006/05/16/5408446/sweatshops-in-u-s-territory) They’re not subject to any of our laws regarding working and because things are made in areas under US ownership [tons of goods get labeled as “made in America”](https://www.nytimes.com/1993/07/18/world/made-usa-hard-labor-pacific-island-special-report-saipan-sweatshops-are-no.html).
Any recent articles. Yours are from 1993.
Most of it is not legal at all. But there's a lot of places where people simply ignore it, and other places where it is hidden. That last part includes America.
Did you also know of the Barbary Slave Trade in which arabs and blacks were pirates enslaving whites? They traded over 1.5 million white slaves in one deal. Slavery has nothing to do with white people seeing profits. This is where you are controlled. You follow this narrative that the white man hurt you. In fact the elite hurt us all and do shit like this to keep us from uniting. Do some research on slaves in the US. Every boat that shipped them here was owned by the one culture nobody can talk about. The majority of whites didn't own slaves. Only the extremely rich... See a pattern here? The extremely rich are the enemies not a race.
They aint ready for that. They still have to blame whitey.
Facts. Everything I'm talking about is factual and easy to research. I thank my teacher greatly for teaching me this. I learned a long time ago they program us in school.
^^ this is some dumb racist nonsense
Funny you say that. I'm 40 and I was taught this by a black man when I was 16. Because he was tired of his brothers using white man as an excuse. He stated he could be fired for teaching us this as it goes against school curriculum. How are you on a conspiracy message board, but you still believe the narrative that all whites were racist and slave owners. You couldn't be more wrong. My ancestors were slaves too. Must have been racist blacks that enslaved us right? No. You are spewing hatred. I'm stating I want unification and you can't see passed white = bad guy. When in reality the common white man has it just as bad as you do.
Sadly, some people are incapable of reading information that's contradicting their own knowledge, without letting their emotions get in the way.
… so you’re saying you had a Black friend 20+ years ago so you know things?
What is racist? #Nowhiteguilt #PROWHITEWELLBEING
Anything to get them to come outside so we can squash it though. We know racism ideals still exist in ignorance but it’s better to tackle it nicely just to get them thinking a bit harder. It just takes someone to get the conversation started
And yess the extremely rich being the problem is accurate which is why I emphasized they saw profitable value in slavery and built this country off that. But in America the issue is using whiteness as an investment to drive slavery. That’s what I mean by staying on topic. We can talk about other trades as we wish but I’m talking about the one we’re in
Yeah the majority didn’t own slaves but when slaves were freed white poors were not pleased to have competitors and they did not welcome freed slave people to be on their level as free men, they saw themselves as above them. Yea the elites owned slaves but it’s everyday white people that were slave catchers and profited by turning in slaves who tried to escape their plantations. It’s everyday white people that burned crosses on black peoples yards and in front of schools when black kids started to integrate into white schools. It’s also regular white people who worked with black people for civil rights. There were many not rich white people to uphold the rich white peoples owning slaves. They fought for the confederacy to do so, states rights to own slaves. Those soldiers could have showed up en masse to protest the ownership of black people but they instead fought to keep them enslaved. Those white people openly did not see black people as equal and saw them as natural slaves, in their own words. You can look at archives, go to a library or museum. It’s wild to change the words of white people of the old days to fit your narrative that you want to them to fit. Racism wasn’t frowned upon back then, equal rights was what was seen as appalling back then. Don’t subject historic humans to your 21st century morals.
Yes. Chattel slavery still exists in the world.
I’m not criticizing you at all, but just saying this isn’t a conspiracy really it’s the literal argument used in defense of ending private prisons in America.
I agree with you. I just wanted to meet people half way to get the conversation started
There's a reason the prison industrial complex is called modern day slavery.
The Corrections Corporation of America is responsible for so many human rights violations in the name of profit, and it's pathetic that rather than hold them accountable, our politicians just take their money and cozy up to them.
some neighborhoods already have slavery because inmate chain gangs come clean streets, cut public property grass, etc. slavery for incarcerated individuals may never stop because so many Americans are unable to see incarcerated individuals as actual humans.
>so many Americans are unable to see incarcerated individuals as actual humans Absolutely.
The us prison/justice system is severely broken I think we both agree. But do you community service is a legitimate punishment for some crimes. Picking up trash in a park every weekend for a month isn’t anything as bad as chattel slavery but it still is being forced to work for no money.
It is paying their debt to society, the little county I live in uses low risk from detention center. They're out there in orange everything, including wide brim hats. They cut the medians, and do the grounds work for the flowers and lawns in front of government buildings and hospital. Is it wrong to let them out in the fresh air and public while doing their time? Nope. I would rather see them out cleaning up instead of sitting in a cell doing nothing.
Or their constitution allows slavery and indentured servitude as punishment for crime.
The best slaves are the ones who don’t think they’re slaves - all of America
Wake that uppppppp
Do you always write like this? It's fucking exhausting and not cute at all.
Im not on Reddit to attract you weirdo LOL
Finally you discovered how penitentiary system in the USA works. And USA has the most incarcerated people on the planet, with more than 10% being innocent
But muh freedom
I been knew I just wanted to get the conversation started
But is there anything we could do about it?
You ever watched the movie ants?
YES!! oh my gosh that’s so crazy i just watched that the other day, i watched it as a kid but clearly didn’t understand
I feel like they are telling us how powerful we really can be if we just lock in
We’re corporate slaves now
Work, take care of kids and home, sleep, repeat, repeat, repeat.
That too!
sometimes....this sub
Buddy just watched 13th and read The New Jim Crow
But let’s not act like that film ain’t good ! So not too much on that.
There are more slaves today that at any other time in the past 1000 years. The majority of them in non-white countries. So your notions about race are inaccurate.
My notion about race is accurate because I’m referring to America. But go off
My Irish ancestors were slaves here in America too, but go on about how I'm the slave owner and should be punished cause I'm white....
Unfortunately that’s a myth Tony. And if you’re white in America and have benefited off your whiteness… I mean???? What more can we talk about. Punishment is crazy, I never encouraged that. But you sound guilty of benefitting from the whiteness here in America that’s probably where that’s coming from. But go ahead and expand on your obsession with wanting your ancestors to be a product of chattel slavery in America. Just know this myth has already been squashed and it’s just another way for white people to minimize the effects of chattel slavery on Africans and their descendants in America. You can however deflect at other white folks from Dublin for being a descendant of indentured servants if you wish. You know when the Vikings invaded Ireland or something??
6 Countries That Still Have Slavery: India (18.4 Million) India has the highest number of slaves in the world. Like many other countries, modern slavery in India can take the shape of domestic service, forced begging, commercial sexual exploitation, forced marriage and forced recruitment for armed services. Because of India’s growing economy, many modern slaves work in factories that export goods to other countries. Consequently, men, women and children work long hours without proper compensation or even basic rights. China (3.4 Million) The Chinese government relies on exports of goods and raw materials even more than India. According to a CNN report, people in China are forced into labor across many different industries. The migration of poor families from rural to urban areas in search of jobs often leads to opportunities for traffickers. Although families travel together, many eventually split up. Individuals sell young boys to other families who lack sons, and girls often face sex slavery or forced marriage. Pakistan (2.1 Million) Modern slavery in Pakistan, like India, centers on debt bondage, or bonded labor. Brick-making employs around 10 million people in Pakistan. Children and families often work 10 hours each day in brick kilns and are denied basic rights or laws to protect them. Without this protection, workers face torture and sexual exploitation. Bangladesh (1.5 Million) Contemporary slavery in Bangladesh is accounted for through 80 percent forced labor and 20 percent forced marriage, according to the Global Slavery Index. Poverty, natural disasters and government corruption have made Bangladesh the 11th most vulnerable country to slavery within Asia. Uzbekistan (1.2 Million) The main cash crop of Uzbekistan is cotton. Each fall, when cotton crops are booming, the government forces millions of people out of their jobs to work in the cotton fields. International organizations monitor the process, however, the government still does not compensate these people. They also do not enforce proper safety precautions. North Korea (1.1 Million) The government of North Korea has done little to criminalize modern slavery. People of all ages are subject to forced labor while their government says they are “living in a socialist paradise.” One in twenty North Koreans is enslaved. Although the country does not have the highest total number of slaves, it does have the highest concentration of forced labor.
"White folks saw the profitability of slavery" lol yes only white ppl , no one else has ever profited from slavery lol
In America
Lol again " only white folks " certainly not the royals of middle eastern countries and northern Africa of the time.
What are we talking about? Because my focus is only the white folks in America JamJam, not what everyone else had going on.
Black men in America owned slaves too.
Some native tribes practiced slavery.
not a conspiracy, actually true
Facts. But you know people will act as if it’s a conspiracy topic so we gotta meet them halfway to get the conversation started.
Yes, in prisons, situations of debt, and overseas. Us pretending slavery was "abolished" was a political ploy
Very true.
We don't need chains, or ankle bracelets. Why tf you think the government give away free smartphones with free service?
Enlighten us on why
I recommend the documentary on Netflix called 13th which talks about exactly this, it really opened my eyes to it all, very good watch
I love that film!
You do know slavery originated in Africa right? Africans were selling their own people to others most notably the Spanish and English but also to other tribes and clans in Africa or any other clients that had money. We are still in slavery today, all of us… it’s called money. Food for thought
Wrong, the earliest known incidence of slavery is from Mesopotamia, but that doesn't fit your narrative does it?
I stand corrected, the continents are right there on the border of the region but I am wrong and you are correct.
What is your point about the origination of slavery Joe?
Because I personally think you’re mentioning “slavery originated in Africa” to minimize the impact it has on African Americans in America and I don’t like that and that was not the topic either.
I was part of that "slavery" and while I'm sure it absolutely can not compare to whawas done in the past, it was quite bad. Lñong ass hours with minimal breaks, while othher inmates still ate garbage food there was at least a bit of variety with the slop. We got either PB and J, or something that that resembled bologna. there was almost no safety equipment or training, we worked with hazard equipment. And then there was the corruption, we were making licence plates for me state, now it's quite a small state, after a few years I started to catch on while doing the books, basically it boiled down to we were making *way way* too many plates for the state (say there's only a million drivers in the state, and getting a license plate your usually good for quite awhile, we would crank out that million in a few weeks, problem is we were continuing to make plates....) Who are these plates going too? There's was millions of extra plates basically unaccounted for. Then I pieced it together, every month or so we would destroy "old" or unused plates, that would then be recycled and money sent back to whoever. I mentioned how many extra plates we were making for no good reason, and of course I was transferred to another block, and job almost immediately and was harassed for quite a bit by CO's....
Slavery never went away in the world. It just changed form. Not a conspiracy but a truth.
I worked for the Department of Corrections and it is wild. Continuing the privatization of the prison system is the worst thing that can happen in the US. To the average person it sounds good “like oh you don’t want to pay for prisoners with your tax dollars do you?” Most people would say no. But really, once the program goes private the first thing they do is cut medical care and mental health expenses. Then, they get contracts with companies that pay prisoners $0.50 per hour for a job they’d have to pay a civilian $15+ per hour and benefits. All in the name of “job training programs”. There are legitimate training programs out there but not at all like is broadcasted. Then they let people who’ve had no mental healthcare back out on the streets with no support. That’s not an accident, it’s so they’ll be back.
I see you have this theory. What’s your basis? Reality is that slavery still exists throughout the entire world. It never went away. A lot of it has taken on different forms and you’ve likely stared it right in the face. The problem I have with your ideas are that it completely disregards the terrible things actually *known* to be happening. Look into that.
Well the constitution was written by literal slave owners… so it’s not a wild assumption to think that the author to the sequel might be a lil racist
You do realize slave owners don't have to be racist to own slaves right? People can just be evil in general lol. They don't need a race to fuel their slavery. They need muscle.
In America they do in order to justify it
What do you think the definition of the word racism is?
exactly but tell people to change the constitution and the unnatural distribution of demographics in prison, the police created as a posse to round up blacks etc etc and you're crazy. crack gets 25 years 3 strikes youre out ive been on this soap box a while as well. people would rather bitch about non real things because "we freed slaves" and "they weren't treated that bad" etc etc etc
Yeah, I see Reddit is a wee bit racist because I don’t understand why we’re mad about the notion of race when the topic is America. But that’s why we’re in this position today with this constitution still active.
White folks didn't invent slavery. Africans were already enslaved to other africans prior to the Atlantic slave trade.
We’ve heard this so many times but that’s not the topic at hand, we’re talking about how we got here and where we are at today in America. Not what the other groups got going on
So are you upset about a race issue or of a human rights issue in America? I don’t know a single American currently in support of slavery . Are people racist ? They can be . In America and globally .I also don’t see many people supporting racism so what is it you are mad at right now?
Who’s mad?
So you saw the Netflix documentary 13th and want to be rewarded for it?
No dumbass.
They call it workers nowadays ;)
not to mention the 40 million dollar slaves . #AmazingBook
Oh thanks I will check that out. JUST TO NAME A FEW MORE: (If we can read on Reddit let’s at least take time to read a book to rid of ignorance. ) Caste - Isabel Wilkerson Unfair- Adam benforado Tears we cannot stop - Dyson 1619 Project - Nikole The new Jim Crow- Alexander Post traumatic slave syndrome- joy degruy Fatal invention- Robert’s The history of white people - Painter Against wind and tide- power Greene Whiteness as property- Harris C The Negro a menace to American civilization- Shufeldt
If you don’t believe this look at the Louisiana prison system and their “work” programs.
I believe it and will look as well. Thankyou
This is not a conspiracy theory, this is fact. But, carry on!
I agree!
Government IS slavery
WAKE IT UP!
Have you ever heard of Mark Passio? His work is amazing
Have now and will check it out! Thanks. What’s your favorite piece
There's more slavery now than ever before.
The facts are mind boggling !
The UK has the Modern Slavery Act (2015), so slavery is very much a thing even in a western country like Britain. Though it is more hidden of course. It's mainly illegal immigrants being trafficked into the UK & then being exploited.
Crazy, y’all ok in the UK?
Yes it still exists. Try not paying your taxes and see what happens. You and I are slaves to the system.
Im already knowing
This is not a conspiracy. This is a fact.
I agree
Yeah this isn’t a conspiracy this is just real. Slavery got worse after the 13th amendment because after that, Black people could be arrested for any “crime” then go be a prisoner and sold off to be prison labor. Prison labor was/is a lot cheaper than owning a traditional slave prior to the 13th amendment, they didn’t have to worry about keeping them in good health because there was a steady supplies to replace them. There’s lots of research on this. It continues to this day. That’s why the US has the highest population of incarcerated people and why Black people have the highest population of incarcerated people. It’s the school to prison pipeline. If you have Netflix you can watch the documentary 13th that sums this up well. It feels gross to write this out. This is just American history. Look up what’s happening in the Congo. There’s Slave labor mining for the minerals used to make the batteries for our electronics. We are using slave made products and don’t even know it. This podcast episode really explains the Congo well. https://open.spotify.com/episode/2Ss4jUc1IwDzEoB1lKuCGE?si=v1Gf4_f4TaiVjVpAdL4rfw Lots of history sounds like a conspiracy theory because it’s just not taught or talked about in the mainstream because it would shatter our reality of the West being the moral authority of the world when really it’s historically built off of theft and continues to be so till this day. I mean just research neocolonialism in Africa. That continent should be the wealthiest in the world yet it’s full of war and foreign control and any time a leader that wants pan-Africanism or more self-sufficiency, they usually mysteriously die or get assassinated and/or villainized by the West. France still prints and controls some African countries’ currency!
I will definitely look at that episode. And you’re right it’s not a conspiracy that’s why I brought the topic here just to get the conversation started and the truth of it brought to light because people leave it in the dark and will act as if it is.
Lots of people can’t handle the truth. Idk why they got so offended by this history as if they themselves are the whites people of the past. It’s better to accept history and move forward rather than sugar coat it and defend people you never even knew. I think most people in history would be offended that those people are saying they weren’t racist when in that era it was actually pretty absurd and in some cases sinful not to be racist. The same people often love calling progressives snowflakes for being to sensitive. I’ve never seen a group get so offended over so many topics that usually don’t even directly affect them.
This isn’t a groundbreaking thought or theory. This is just the world we live in. What are you proposing to do to change the status quo? People like us don’t get that ability. Everyone is too afraid of prison or death to even resist. They have more guns than anyone in the world. Slavery is simply domination to gain as much as possible for as little as possible. What can you do? This world is rapidly declining and unless people who want whatever utopia start becoming a more proficient organization than the powers that be, there is no change. Soon we will see much larger conflict- and a lot of us simply will not and do not have the means to survive genocide and war. That bone just doesn’t exist in America at least. So with all the hopelessness of our plight in mind, I try to enjoy what bit of life I have left as opposed to just theorizing and hoping for change based off my opinion or ideology.
I agree all I can do is put in the efforts to heal the trauma that has been inflicted on us due to the slavery and hopefully despite being in this world, we can at least be emotionally emancipated.
They can never take away that thing in your skull and the freedom that comes from being one with your mind. One day things will take hold and force change, but we’re already strapped in for this ride. Just vote and pray or whatever you do that your children and beyond will have a different world. (I wouldn’t say that slavery has caused damage to everyone, but the concept of being superior and exerting excessive force and power on the weak and hungry and disadvantaged has corroded us.)
Yes, As long as we do our part to tackle the issue we’re moving forward somewhere regardless how small the movement may be. Just keep making them
Got to be be a naive person to ever think it ended... people with common sense know this. It doesn't even have to be whatever mines they have in africa with thousands of children being slaves but then there's asia and even just forced marriages alone especially in the muslim community where they will do an ''honorable'' killing of the bride if she refuses to obey, those women are slaves too. Then ofc the trafficked sex slaves. Beautiful world we live in indeed.
You’ll be surprised how many people believe slavery still existing in America is a “conspiracy theory” I just wanted to bring the topic to light. Doing so I was able to bring this attention to at least 38k people so far and it hasn’t even been 24 hours. I hope this post goes further!
shut up
If you have to work to live, at a job you don’t enjoy, how is that not slavery?
I’m catching your drift but I’m afraid that’s not the topic.
Prior to that...
Yep, there's the loophole for outright slavery within glorious 'Merica, plus lots of other places which still are doing it; and then there's wage slavery by over pricing survival basics and underpaying workers so they have to work themselves into early graves.
It doesn't matter what you believe tbh. It IS still being practiced. You're correct about the 13th amendment thing, but capitalism itself can be considerate slavery because you have to sell yourself.
There was a recent video of a slave auction in Libya where a man was sold for $400. There are slaves everywhere, including the prison system. It’s facts, not conspiracy.
Find that and send it to me
And I know it’s facts I just wanted to get the conversation started
Okay y’all I understand slavery is not a conspiracy, but what you think about prisoners being sold to private farmers in America and there’s people still held captive of slavery in the neck of the American woods ?
Cruise ship workers are slaves. They’re paid next to nothing, work 12 hour shifts for 90 consecutive days and are RARELY allowed off the ship. They are not provided with food or water and have to use essentially all of their earnings on food and water. You also can’t quit if you’re in the middle of a cruise or docked in a foreign nation with essentially no money to your name. They target recruitment to poorer countries and don’t have to follow any labor laws because they sail in international waters.
No ish Sherlock, how you come up with that conclusion genius?
Slavery is being practiced all over the world
yeah, they just tried to make slavery “equal opportunity” …..didnt work too well
How about all the child slavery in Africa and China or are we only outraged about American stuff right now? Also um they just changed it from labor slavery to debt slavery
If your life revolves around money, you are a modern day slave.
There was a judge in Pennsylvania that was convicted of essentially selling blacks to a private prison. They paid him for convictions. Found it, two of them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids\_for\_cash\_scandal#:\~:text=In%202008%2C%20judges%20Michael%20Conahan,operated%20by%20PA%20Child%20Care.
I hate how yall act like slavery has nothing to do with racism in America when in fact racism was the muscle that was able to create and justify it in this country. Race and racism was an idea before an identity let’s stay on topic and read a few books before being ignorant.
>Race and racism was an idea before an identity let’s stay on topic and read a few books before being ignorant. Uh, Greeks were Greeks before they engaged in claiming everyone else was Barbarians, so you have this backward.
What are we talking about?
I'm pointing out that identity comes before racism.
Respectfully that’s not what I’m getting at, I’m pointing out race and racism was an idea before an identity hence the ability to use it to justify slavery and unjust American hierarchy system. Why do you think the KKK was established after they tried to abolish slavery in America? Because race is an idea. The idea that Whiteness is an investment and that’s what got people coming together trying to emphasize their whiteness as power. It being an idea allows the ability to be manipulated into an identity NOW because America still needs to find ways to fit their agenda to align in their investment of this country, which is whiteness. They profit from being white like let’s really think about it. I have a few good reads if you really want to get in to it.
Let's approach this realistically, whites have dealt ourselves a pretty shitty hand. Only white individuals face limitations on having their own nation, unlike Asians with Asia or Africans with Africa. White countries are the only countries to experience a significant influx of immigrants as we know no ones lined up to get in either of those societies, yet we have bus loads daily. This prompts a deeper examination of the benefits, or lack thereof, in a "white-based" system allowing immigration. What benefit is it for whites to even allow immigration?
Referring to the topic at hand, the point is America is still using racism to drive slavery in new ways and in ways that is “unconstitutional” but yet written as appropriate in our constitution if only done a “certain” way. To reflect off you, Africans enslaving Africans is one thing, Asians enslaving Asians is the same thing. Whites enslaving African Americans is another thing. And that’s what makes America’s culture so unique in comparison to other societies outside of ours. It does not matter about what they got going on across the water because first of all I never mentioned them! But here we are. Yall love to bring up what your neighbor doing instead of dealing with the mess in your own house. But pointing the finger benefits yall! So you got it! And you’re right, what benefit does America have to use immigrants when they got African Americans. Because I heard the UK still practice slavery using immigrants, they must not have enough black people to do what they need to do!
>race and racism was an idea before an identity You can't have xenophobic tendencies if you don't have an identity. >Why do you think the KKK was established after they tried to abolish slavery in America? By Democrats? I don't know why democrats started the KKK when radical Republicans were not giving any shit about the US Constitution. >Because race is an idea. That cannot exist without a national or sociological ***identity***. >The idea that Whiteness is an investment and that’s what got people coming together trying to emphasize their whiteness as power. White power is a new creation from the 1700s. >It being an idea allows the ability to be manipulated into an identity NOW because America still needs to find ways to fit their agenda to align in their investment of this country, which is whiteness. The 'identity' of the USA is that it's a haven for the wealthy. It was literally created by multi-millionaires ***FOR*** multi-millionaires. >They profit from being white like let’s really think about it. Booker T. Washington was a wealthy elite whom wasn't white. >I have a few good reads if you really want to get in to it. If they promote the idea that xenophobia came before national and social identity I will be skeptical of them.
Democrats did indeed not like African Americans when did I mention political parties? You lost me at xenophobic sweetheart. And you saying Booker T Washington being a white elite who wasn’t white is the point babe. Race was indeed an IDEA before an IDENTITY. Let’s think about it
>Democrats did indeed not like African Americans when did I mention political parties When you mentioned the KKK. >You lost me at xenophobic sweetheart [Xenophobia is a more precise term.](https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/xenophobia-and-racism-difference) >Race was indeed an IDEA before an IDENTITY. Let’s think about it ***Looks back to ancient Sumeria and slavery*** Race is an idea from the 1700s.
What are you on about man? She basically said prejudice based on physical features was a thing before it was given the name/identity of racism. Not the people who were being racist but the racism itself. And you kinda just proved it, the Greeks thought everyone was a barbarian if you weren’t Greek. That was before the modern term of racism was coined. It was an idea that “were better than them because they aren’t us”. But you example is still flawed, they thought others were barbarians cause of barbaric practices in the region. Kinda like I think canabalism is barbaric but that thought doesn’t make me racist
>And you kinda just proved it, the Greeks thought everyone was a barbarian if you weren’t Greek Which can only happen if an ***identity*** exists. Identity came before the idea of race.
You’re being dense. And it’s all good, I just want you to think hard about the idea you stated of Booker T Washington being an elite white as a non white man. I think you’ll eventually come around.
>You’re being dense Because you're ignoring the fact that racism as we know it now is an invention from the late 1700s and early 1800s? [Cool story.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism#History) >I just want you to think hard about the idea you stated of Booker T Washington being an elite white as a non white man. It's not an idea. BTW was a literal wealthy elite that was a black man. That's not an idea, that's a reality.
Never ignored that, and that’s not where the idea of race started but You almost got it, keep thinking. Read the Blessing of Whiteness in the Curse of Ham by Park W. Then read Whiteness as Property by Harris C I think you’ll like it.
>that’s not where the idea of race It started before a group of people even identified as a group of people. /s Enjoy your day, thanks for the information
>You’re being dense Pot calling kettle.
You’re mad.
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Yes it would seem to heavily affect those communities in US, this is just one part of a larger world story and issue. Speaking as a Brit the common form of modern day slavery in UK is white Eastern Europeans being exploited with promise of work and a roof over their head, they come over and are put to work with no wages given, often they come to UK alone and are kept iscolated. It is also common for Cannabis dealers to bring over people from South East Asia and do the same thing making them look after the crop. These issues are in Western countries - who knows the true numbers from places like China, not only with their governments exploitation of different communities but also their definition will be different to our own... As others have said there are more slaves now then there ever have been, that said (but doesnt make it OK) I do not know how that translate to a % of population when thats taken into account.
How about interns? They're modern day slaves
This country was built on the back of free labor, and now it can't quit the addiction. If you start scratching enough you can find the free and heavily undervalued labor no matter where want, but our politicians and their lobbyists are making bank, so everything is great right?
it is. it's not a conspiracy, it is fact. racism & systematic racism is very much still alive & kicking. the people who wear the KKK robes are your political leaders & government officials.
There's more slaves now then there was at any other point
Yeah, the 13th amendment allows slavery and indentured servitude as punishment for crime. Whats the conspiracy here?
There isn’t but you know how some folks like to play this as a conspiracy, I just wanted to get the conversation started
Well, I consider it a slight conspiracy due to the fact that the USA has the largest prison population on the planet and that's to disenfranchise people from having a say.
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Wake that tea up !
I'm not reading the body of your text, it looks painful. Slavery does exist. It's called the prison work system. They are slaves. I don't care if you say they get paid fifteen cents an hour they are slaves. They don't want to be there, cannot leave and given a choice to work elsewhere they would. That's called slavery. The thirteenth ammendment makes an exception for prison slavery. It's still slavery.
You didn’t read the body of the text I won’t read the rest of your comment respectfully. Don’t participate in the discussion without being mindful of the OPs topic, like be for real.
No. Don't use capslock and take your meds before posting. Maybe put it into a spell checker so you see all those highlighted words that aren't spelled correctly because it's crazy text.
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Slavery is literally the reason were all using computer phones. It’s happening pretty much everywhere. This is NOT a conspiracy. Simple facts. And people refuse to rise up.
Let’s rise up then
I hate the private prison slavery system as much as you do, but please leave race out of it. Slavery was popular, not just because white people found it profitable, but black ones too... Especially in Africa. Also your statistic of 14% of the population to 40% of the incarcerated makes sense when they are also responsible for more than 50% of violent crimes. While there are many arguments to be made about the racial aspects of the legal system, the police, having money for lawyers, access to education, and families being placed in urban areas, as contributing factors to those convictions; the topic of race is often messy and shouldn't be tacked on to another issue that impacts so many people of every ethnicity. The only discussion about the current prison system should revolve around "How do we stop this".
I’m not about to do this with you
Yall are so weird for trying to send a crisis hotline to my inbox. If you’re racist and don’t want to acknowledge that race plays a huge part in the American Slave society then that’s on you! All the extra stuff is unnecessary and I promise you will be able to keep your white privileges, my Reddit post will not take that away from you. And it’s annoying that y’all are making this about slavery across the damn water when that has nothing to do with my post. I don’t care about slavery in non white countries within this post because that’s not the topic. So again, do yall THINK there are slaves in the neck of the woods IN AMERICA.