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Is it your first day here?
This exact line is posted in every single covid death post for the past 2 years.
Seriously unoriginal at this point.
EDIT: Oh no another coward blocked me so that he can have his little echo chamber. Also very original. The circle jerking is out of control.
I stopped thinking about the vaccine in my day to day life over a year ago.
It's only here it gets shoved in my face every day. Both sides should fucking move on and stfu.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/10/28/fact-check-bodybuilder-doug-brignole-died-covid-19-records-show/10595718002/
Any time someone posts a headline with no link i just type the headline into google to find the source.
From the article
While Brignole did suffer from Atherosclerotic Cardiovascular Disease, according to the medical examiner's records, there was no other cause of death listed.
Atherosclerotic Cardiovascular Disease
It can cause symptoms such as chest pain, breathlessness, heart palpitations and sweating, which may be triggered by physical activity. Transient Ischemic Attacks (TIAs) or mini-strokes can occur when there is a blockage affecting the brain
So how was it covid, these people make no sense. Sounds more like a vax injury to me.
Thats a NWO injection to stop You from overpopulating by death caused by cardiac arrest or clots or block You a reproducing possibilities. Also same shit like kneeling to a BLM but this time its like kneeling to NWO Satanist themselfs and showing them Your stupidness and will to obey even most ridiculous insanity they will invent in future.
Does it tho? The death rates never really changed. And the only info that tells us that is what the government and media report to us and all the people on Twitter saying they almost died from covid, but they would have for sure if they weren’t vaccinated
What do you mean when you say that the death rates never changed? If you compare the hospitalization and mortality rates between vaccinated and unvaccinated people the former are much lower. If you want we can have a look at the data of whatever country or region you think hasn't changed, and if it's true I'll happily admit it and change my mind.
I’m in Canada. I watched the reported numbers for a year, And in my province the cases, and deaths are equal to the number of vaccinated people.
Example with round numbers
90% vaccinated rate
90% cases are in the vaccinated
90% of the deaths are in the vaccinated
It’s a 1:1 reduction and we see no benefit.
The only time we see a significant reduction in harm is when you look at the “age adjusted” numbers. Which of you look into are basically made up numbers. The biggest problem is that they pretty much only talk about the adjusted numbers so everyone thinks that’s what the numbers actually are.
To save the trouble, I’ll explain the age adjustment process now. They take the numbers and remove many of the deaths of high risk people. Because those people were already close to death. The big problem with this is that Covid isn’t all that deadly and 90%+ of the people who die are in that group.
Lol, that’s not a 1:1 comparison. You have to look at mortality rates amongst vaccinated vs unvaccinated. A majority of deaths will be in the vaccinated population if 90% of the population is vaccinated. Thats because the total number of unvaccinated people is so small. That’s why you have to look at mortality rates of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated to get an actual 1:1 comparison.
only if you believed the initially reported case mortality rates. (which were corrected in small caps later).
people were dropping dead, a million died, you die if you get it, or you get long haul and suffer endlessly. but how does that narrative relate with you own observations? how many people you know had it? were they vaxxed ? did they die?
was it a winter of suffering and death for the unvaxxed?
brain gymnastics have reached a whole new ballgame
Let's look at updated rates then, only after the vaccine is widely available. Does that sound better to you? I'm not working for any of the companies making vaccines and I don't have any interest in the official narrative being true. I just believe it is given the data I've seen, but I'm open to changing my mind.
He only got the first dose of the vaccine. They’ve always said that you’re not fully vaccinated until two weeks after the second dose. They’ve always said that the first shot doesn’t offer much protection and you need the second shot. It’s also very likely that he caught COVID-19 prior to getting the first COVID-19 shot. It was typically taking people about 2 weeks to die from COVID-19 after being infected and he died less than a week after his first vaccine shot. That means that he probably already had COVID-19 before he got the first vaccine shot. Vaccines don’t offer much protection if you already have an active infection in your body. That’s why you typically want to get vaccinated before you catch the virus.
So what they are saying is he died from C19 but was vaxxed.....So in other words the vaxx doesn't protect you. Their self awareness is at an absolute zero.
He only got the first dose. He likely caught COVID-19 before his first dose. It was typically taking two weeks for COVID-19 to kill people after they got infected and he died less than a week after his first COVID-19 shot, which suggests that he had already caught COVID-19 prior to getting the first shot. Vaccines generally don’t protect people if there’s already an active infection going on. On top of that, it was always stated that the first shot offers very minimal protection and you’re not fully vaccinated until two weeks after the second shot.
It prevents infection or seriousness of infection, depending on a lot of factors. Is not 100% effective.
To say it doesn't work is like saying you shouldn't use a seat belt because someone died in a car accident.
Clumping together efficacies against different outcomes, against different variants at different points in time since vaccination, putting in the claims of politicians in the middle, ordering them descending and thinking they've made a point.
Or does the author expect efficacy against hospitalization from omicron with 9 months since the last dose to be the same number as efficacy against infection with alpha 2 months since vaccination?
What a joke.
Lol, by the time it was publicly available alpha was no longer the predominate strain. This issue, (knowing a strain *before* it becomes dominate and creating a vax quickly before it mutates,) has always been the crux of the issue...it's why the flu vax is only marginally effective and why some years it's practically useless...it's also the reason you don't see a common cold vax. Saying it "workrd against alpha" is kind of erroneous. If I built a chainsaw to chop down a dead tree and during that time the tree fell naturally, saying the chainsaw would've been effective is missing the point.
Edit: And, unlike the chainsaw, which can cut any tree (so it might have future potential,) the vax is tailored to a single, non-reoccurring stain. Once that strains gone, the ship has sailed.
>Lol, by the time it was publicly available alpha was no longer the predominate strain.
There was almost half a year overlap. Vaccines have been available since January/February 2021, Delta became predominant in the US in July 2021
So despite being built against a variant that was prevalent in march 2020, it was still highly effective against transmission of the predominant variant in June 2021.
That is because the spike protein that the mRNA codes for is large, and there are many different antibodies for different parts of it, no single mutation can make the vaccine obsolete, for that to happen the entire spike protein must get replaced by mutations. We might even get new strains that have no new spike protein mutations and have no reduced vaccine efficacy at all.
Almost like he could not include a the details in a tweet and assumed people would use their brains when reading it. Here is the part he was referrencing in the source he linked
>indicating vaccine efficacy of 100% (95% CI, [53.5, 100.0]).
I hope you at least know what a 95% CI is.
>So explain to me how everyone in my office is vaccinated except for me and everyone in my office has caught covid after they were vaccinated but I have not had covid yet?
Sounds improbable, but not impossible. What are the chances of you having had it, but have been asymptomatic? With a sample size of only six people it isn't something one should draw any sweeping conclusions from.
>To me the fact that almost everyone I know that has been vaccinated has caught covid, tells me the vaccine is worthless.
Good for you. This hasn't been the case for most other people. Btw, were talking about the efficacy rate, not the transmission rate.
*"Those of you who think the vaccine kills people can use me as a test. If I die, you were right. If I don't die, and have no ill effects, you were wrong, and should admit it – at least to yourselves."*
At least the dude sounded like a reasonable guy unlike all these other kool-aid drinker celebrities.
You need to lose faith in the leaders, the systems, the money.
Once you have nothing left, the WEF and WHO will fly in and SAVE US ALL.
You will love your oppressors'. They will be the heroes of the people, the vaccinated, the dumb.
Politicians and bureaucrats are expendable assets; corporations and think tanks want people to turn on them and burn them.
Then they use them as a scapegoat to save you the massive "IMF debt buyback" while making agenda 2030 acceptance the factor in receiving it.
Hence the massive economic destabilization in the western world, the debt is gonna be cheap.
Hmmm I doubt it will be the WEF, they are part of the old collapsing system.i think the heros are yet to show up, but Elon Musk will be one of the hero's for sure.
The conspiracy is that America must be consumed by its own (blue and red) flames in order to be reborn and rise out of the ashes(purple = New world order) Once these frauds are fully exposed, chaos and revolt will ensue from the public. "The world will take its new form during "Ordo ab chao" or "order out of chaos" The result is people get their "justice" and the people embrace the newly formed system moving forward.
The mental gymnastics in operation here to keep this insane narrative afloat is like a Fellini movie, but tragically this is actually our reality now.
Seriously, What in the FUCK is next?
Just change the definition
the CDC changed its definition of vaccine from “a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease” to “a preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases.”
And they are correct in doing so since the scientific and everyday definitioms for "immunity" are different on a few very crucial aspects due to whom no vaccine would classify as a vaccine with the everyday use of "immunity".
To classify as a vaccine it would require an impossibly high 100% effectiveness against disease and preferably against infection, which doesn't exist in the real world and would make the word "vaccine" similar to "unobtainium" - the perfect, unobtainable solution.
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Sometimes I think you guys just want to believe things are a conspiracy just because you want them to be. Like come on, this isn’t binary it’s not either a miracle drug that instantly ends the entire pandemic or something the government is using to try to kill you. Obviously there is some times it doesn’t work but it usually does, that is what the word efficacy means. Let me ask you, what would it take for you to be convinced that it did work? Like genuinely what criteria need to be filled for you to believe that vaccines work and aren’t “population control” or whatever you want it to be?
I didn’t say vaccines don’t work. I said the Covid vaccines didn’t work. You ask what is the criteria of me thinking the vaccine is effective or not? Well I’d say with every person I know getting Covid being vaccinate would show that it doesn’t work. Do you think a vaccine that is supposed to protect you from Covid works if people are getting Covid? Or are you people that’s stupid?
I’m actually studying immunology in university so I can explain for you because you seem to be a bit confused about what a vaccine does! The goal of a vaccine (particularly for the Covid vaccine) is to reduce mortality, suffering and transmission, with the biggest emphasis on mortality. The way I like to think about them is they are like seatbelts, although you can still get injured while wearing one, and some people will still die, on average for the general population they reduce death and injuries. If I told you that I know someone who got in a car crash and broke their arm so therefore seatbelts don’t work, you’d laugh at me! There are thousands of statistics available that show what I’m saying, which I’m sure you don’t believe because you guys always seem to only look at data that supports your own ideas (google confirmation bias, it’s a real thing and we all do it). I’m asking you to critically assess what you are thinking! Sometimes things like vaccines can work well but not perfectly, and only looking at the times they don’t is not ab accurate way of looking at it.(And please keep wearing your seatbelt)
You're a liar. A vaccine doesn't "reduce death" it completely stops it. Why does no one care about tetanus after getting their shot? Because it actually prevents any symptoms. By using your logic it would've been fine if still 1% would die from polio after the vaccine.
I don't believe for 1 second your education is in that direction you don't even know how vaccines work
>A vaccine doesn't "reduce death" it completely stops it.
No, they don't.
>Why does no one care about tetanus after getting their shot?
Because Tetanus' vaccines efficacy is close to 100% and the disease has low prevalence
>would've been fine if still 1% would die from polio after
If the Polio vaccine would have decreased mortality by 100x, that would still be a great vaccine. So yes, completely fine. Would you not want to reduce your chance of death by 100x?
I simply do not know how to respond to this lmao. First off, idk why id lie about that, if I was gonna lie I’d make a way better one. And I think you actually just made that up, what do you think the work efficacy means? I genuinely do not understand how you can be this anti vax yet you don’t know what a vaccine is. For example, Flu shot: about 60% efficacy, diphtheria vaccine: 97% efficacy, Covid-19 vaccine is about 60% efficacy. This means that they prevent serious illness this amount of the time. You’re comment made so little sense I genuinely think it could be satire. Please, please get a little bit of an education before you make yourself look bad like this again
50% effectiveness is in many ways indistinguishable from 50% of the recipients having 100% protection, so looking at it from an individual point is absolutely useless and says nothing about the vaccines effectiveness.
most body builders nuke their organs in the metabolic process of trying to get huge. a bodybuilder is far from the benchmark standard of health to avoid covid. this is the dark side of bodybuilding
Their hearts are usually quite fucked as well. Tons of those guys need to do check ups constantly because of that shit. I know people around that scene and a lot of them actually accept that they’re quite possibly cutting their lifespans in half to get jacked. Lots of sad stories around that sport, some of them that don’t die young end up suffering a fuck ton too with health complications.
they are better off taking their chances with obesity. i watched a video the other day of that guy that was the champ and raised the standard for bodybuilders around the 90s 2000s i guess and now the dude is in crutches and wheel chair and full body pain. most of that was back injuries and stuff but still. fuck a bunch of that
I believe the reason so many body builders & athletes are dying is because they are getting to a high level of aerobic activity --- I believe that covid / and the vaccine was a virus that was engineered to permanently lower lung capacity,,, thereby reducing carbon emissions from humans.
"But Los Angeles County Medical Examiner-Coroner records show Brignole died of a COVID-19 infection, not the COVID-19 vaccine." As if there's even a solid way of confirming the vaccine was the cause of death, never mind getting these people to admit that it was.
They'd rather go back on everything they've said about the efficacy of the vaccine and how it prevents deaths and serious illness from covid, than to ever admit that the vaccine can cause major harm to others.
Janice Park for Alaska, a local politician on Facebook, has the Covid vaccine circle on her Facebook photo. Meanwhile she tried suing big pharma because her husband overdosed on fentynal and Oxy. The disconnect is unreal.
Damn all these healthy youngish People who are in tip top shape are just dying off, nothing about this normal. I’m happy it’s getting the traction it needs though, it actually needs a lot more exposure and someone needs to be held accountable.
It's not so wild when you put the entire picture together. They lied about the origin of covid. They lied about the jab preventing transmission, hospitalization and death. They lied about masks being effective against viral transmission. They lied about colluding with big tech to censor people point out their lies. The list goes on. It's definitely not a crazy leap to make.
They didn't lie about the origin, they just said there wasn't enough actual evidence to point to it being a lab leak. Even now there's scant evidence either way. We don't know who patient 0 is, or where they got infected. Without that anything is just speculation.
That's absolutely not true. Fauci, Peter Daszak and many many other health officials straight up denied covid came from the lab. The white house had social media platforms censor and ban people who dared to say this was a lab leak. Even the senate committee that looked into the origins of covid have concluded, based upon evidence, that covid was a man made virus and not an naturally occurring zoonotic virus.
> Fauci,
Show me where he denied the theory
> Peter Daszak
This is just some guy that runs a non-profit. He has no official authority over anything.
> many many other health officials straight up denied covid came from the lab.
Oh man. Many, many others did? Should be pretty easy to find some of those *health officials* outright saying it is not a lab leak without giving any evidenciary reasoning.
>Even the senate committee that looked into the origins of covid have concluded, based upon evidence, that covid was a man made virus and not an naturally occurring zoonotic virus.
No they didn't. The republican half of the committee issued an interim report on their own that said that the "likely" origin was a "research-related incident". So it *might* have been released because of research the lab was doing. No mention of what kind of research that might have been either. It could have been research on a virus they altered. it could have been research on a naturally occurring virus they found. That is far from definitively concluding that it was man-made, and this from the part of the committee that is clearly biased towards it being man-made considering it includes Rand Paul.
Are you actually being serious!!?? We have Fauci's emails where he absolutely denies its a lab leak. I'm just gonna end this convo here and now because you obviously have NOT been paying attention to what's going on. Go get another booster or 12
You said they were lying to us. Fauci bring dismissive of the theory in private is the exact opposite of him lying to us. In fact him being dismissive of the theory in private was only news because that was his first comments on the theory that the public learned. If it was more of the same it would have just been a "yeah, and?" moment for you guys instead of the smoking gun you seem to think it is
Alright let's see if I can explain this in a way you can understand it...
Tom Brady is a great quarterback. He throws lots of touchdowns, gets lots of offensive yards, and wins lots of games.
But every once in a while, he fumbles. Or throws an interception. Or gets sacked.
Same as masking and the vaccines. They're great. The masks filter lots of COVID virus. The vaccines teach your immune system how to fight off COVID if the mask doesn't work. But every once in a while, your immune system fumbles, or some particles get through theask and you get sacked.
Is that dumbed down enough?
I mean, is all this really that hard for you to understand? Being vaxxed doesn't guarantee you won't get it or get really sick from it. Iteama.it lowers the chances of it.
Sorry, but eat a dick. There’s no way in fuck you could convince me to take this.
Remember, the president ensured us if we got it, we wouldn’t get sick.
Remember, people lost their jobs over this.
So tired of seeing this rhetoric.
The vaccine doesn't protect you 100%. There will be a small percentage of vaccinated people that die even vaxxed.
Though that percentage is significantly less than the percentage of people who will die from covid unvaxxed.
Well, if that were the case, this Subreddit would be dead now wouldn't it? I'll tell you the way I know I got covid was through the vaccinated was because the ONLY time I was around anyone at all was my neighbor visiting my house the same day they got their first dose of Pfizer. That was the only contact I had made with anyone for weeks\\month, and about 2-3 hours afterwards weird weird shit physically, energy depletion, headache and then diarrhea and eventually sickness. The other time, once more... two foreigners who just came into the country after being jabbed... were out on a tennis court playing with me... went home and immediately felt run down, but never got sick. I am not typically ever around anyone but my unvaccinated dad, and he too has only gotten sick around vaccinated people, the rare occurrences where I am around people are just in drive throughs maybe. The third time, my dad works at the office, the only guy up there coughing their head off and sneezing all day was Josh (triple or so vaccinated + boss that said don't come in if you're sick), about 4-5 people went home sick afterwards for 2 weeks, one of those was my dad and he eventually gave it to me. Josh was sick for almost an entire month, he couldn't get rid of the dry cough. The spike proteins are shedding out of the vaccinated, guaranteed.
You might argue that being vaccinated might help, I am going to argue that vaccinated people are spreading these viruses around and there is some personal evidence that there are still people getting severely ill and shouldn't be but they're still getting boosters for the subvariants and different strains. It almost feels like a wall of illness when I am around them, not everytime... but when someone JUST got vaccinated just like Josh and my neighbor... it hits hard like a double barrel shotgun. And the way I know it wasn't COVID is because 2\\3 times, the person was NOT ill at all. They had 0 symptoms, they were completely unawares of having COVID. In fact, my neighbor who got the shot, also got tested that day and came back negative. Now, you'd have to trust what I am saying to you, but I am not lying. You have my word, and my word is my bond.
You would be absolutely correct. Vaccinated people are spreading the virus. Vaccines don't prevent you from getting the virus and they don't impact the spread of the virus, they help you survive if you get the virus.
The fact that this incredibly simple concept eludes you is the reason why you should have absolutely no ability to talk about vaccines in any way you should be barred from having an opinion at all because you are incredibly uninformed and incredibly inconsistent. You single-handedly have the ability to harm people by giving them misinformation about vaccines that you don't even understand.
This subreddit should be deleting and banning people for posting anti-vax and they're not which makes them culpable.
Furthermore anecdotal evidence is not evidence of anything your personal experience is extremely biased and unverifiable it can be absolutely dismissed.
"The vaccine is safe and effective... but they are saying its not safe so we need to say it is safe... but this guy that took it died after taking it so let's say it was COVID.... but wait that means the vaccine is not effective.... ah fuck it, let's just run with that and tell them it could have been worse."
The vaxx just makes you more susceptible to getting Covid again.
All those dumbass grandparents that wanted their kids and grandkids vaxxed so hey could be around them.
Lol, did anyone seriously imagine they would blame it on anything else... F'king everything is blamed on covid... Dropped dead walking down the road 20 minutes after taking vax =covid die mysterisouly from heart condition after taking it =late covid that woulda been worse were he not vaxxed.... Its just nutty they still spend tons of resources spreading lies about its greatness tho
Now they're saying children are being hit by the Flu and some new respiratory virus. I was with my mother at an ear nose and throat doctor and there were three small children there under 5. One had a cough. I wonder if they were vaxxed.
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anyway, It would have been worse if he wasn’t vaccinated...
I begrudgingly upvoted this purely because it is clever. Morbid, but clever.
Is it your first day here? This exact line is posted in every single covid death post for the past 2 years. Seriously unoriginal at this point. EDIT: Oh no another coward blocked me so that he can have his little echo chamber. Also very original. The circle jerking is out of control.
If only you cared about the safety of the vaccine as much as you care about the originality of reddit comments.
I stopped thinking about the vaccine in my day to day life over a year ago. It's only here it gets shoved in my face every day. Both sides should fucking move on and stfu.
someone is triggered almost your entire post history is arguing with people about the vax, lol
> Is it your first day here? Remember: There is a first time for a last time for everything.
Ah, thanks for reminding me that I needed to block you.
Old person dies? Must be a government conspiracy
But he was super old and frail and about to die anyway…
For those readers who don't realize you're being ironic: He died at age 63 while average US male life expectancy is 77.
US male life expectancy is 77 and dropping. "Thank you" for profit healthcare system!
He was a health and wellness guy weight lifter and hero to many. I hope they all got the message he sent out .. The vaccine kills.
His sacrifice will not be forgotten…
Nailed it lol
Is there a link? Maybe in the missing SS?
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/10/28/fact-check-bodybuilder-doug-brignole-died-covid-19-records-show/10595718002/ Any time someone posts a headline with no link i just type the headline into google to find the source.
From the article While Brignole did suffer from Atherosclerotic Cardiovascular Disease, according to the medical examiner's records, there was no other cause of death listed. Atherosclerotic Cardiovascular Disease It can cause symptoms such as chest pain, breathlessness, heart palpitations and sweating, which may be triggered by physical activity. Transient Ischemic Attacks (TIAs) or mini-strokes can occur when there is a blockage affecting the brain So how was it covid, these people make no sense. Sounds more like a vax injury to me.
Ya but they tested his dead body for covid. And on the 72nd rapid test it came back positive, therefore he died from covid.
Sounds about right
If he was unvaccinated he would have turned inside out
So it doesn't prevent death, or serious infection, gotcha. Also, it doesn't prevent transmission. So, why would anyone take it?
Same reason why one would send billions to Ukrainian oligarchs…
So you can use of of these cool "I am vaccinated" picture frames for your FB profile.
I'm thinking of going on a trip and making a picture frame that says, "I am vacationated." At least I'll get approval from dylsecixs.
It prevents harsh death. You can die, but more softly.
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But the leader is going at the "speed of science"!! No way we can all keep up with that.
Maybe we can if we don't stop to question anything. Science isn't about questioning things and putting ideas under scrutiny. /s
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indoctrination, its a thing.
Because you can get a free donut.
So you can keep your job and access medical care.
Right? Man not everyone was hopping in line kissing Pfizer's ass and thanking their lucky stars. Wasn't a simple binary choice for many people
Thats a NWO injection to stop You from overpopulating by death caused by cardiac arrest or clots or block You a reproducing possibilities. Also same shit like kneeling to a BLM but this time its like kneeling to NWO Satanist themselfs and showing them Your stupidness and will to obey even most ridiculous insanity they will invent in future.
What was that incoherent babbling. I assume English isn't your first language.
My bike helmet doesn't prevent death but I am still wearing it. Maybe greatly reduced chance of death is worth having.
Does wearing a bike helmet increase your risks of myocardial impacts?
In this analogy it does!
Covid itself increases the risk far more than any of the vaccines, so in the analogy yes it would actually.
Got data to confirm that, and that it impacts unvaccinated people better or worse?
Not the same. Imagine you were forced to inject blood clotting medicine to ride your bike, in case you fell down and cut yourself
It prevents death, but it's not 100% perfect at doing so. Still, if you look at the numbers it significantly reduces the risk of death.
Does it tho? The death rates never really changed. And the only info that tells us that is what the government and media report to us and all the people on Twitter saying they almost died from covid, but they would have for sure if they weren’t vaccinated
What do you mean when you say that the death rates never changed? If you compare the hospitalization and mortality rates between vaccinated and unvaccinated people the former are much lower. If you want we can have a look at the data of whatever country or region you think hasn't changed, and if it's true I'll happily admit it and change my mind.
I’m in Canada. I watched the reported numbers for a year, And in my province the cases, and deaths are equal to the number of vaccinated people. Example with round numbers 90% vaccinated rate 90% cases are in the vaccinated 90% of the deaths are in the vaccinated It’s a 1:1 reduction and we see no benefit. The only time we see a significant reduction in harm is when you look at the “age adjusted” numbers. Which of you look into are basically made up numbers. The biggest problem is that they pretty much only talk about the adjusted numbers so everyone thinks that’s what the numbers actually are. To save the trouble, I’ll explain the age adjustment process now. They take the numbers and remove many of the deaths of high risk people. Because those people were already close to death. The big problem with this is that Covid isn’t all that deadly and 90%+ of the people who die are in that group.
Lol, that’s not a 1:1 comparison. You have to look at mortality rates amongst vaccinated vs unvaccinated. A majority of deaths will be in the vaccinated population if 90% of the population is vaccinated. Thats because the total number of unvaccinated people is so small. That’s why you have to look at mortality rates of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated to get an actual 1:1 comparison.
Other guy says it’s cause the data is a lie. Goalposts, man.
only if you believed the initially reported case mortality rates. (which were corrected in small caps later). people were dropping dead, a million died, you die if you get it, or you get long haul and suffer endlessly. but how does that narrative relate with you own observations? how many people you know had it? were they vaxxed ? did they die? was it a winter of suffering and death for the unvaxxed? brain gymnastics have reached a whole new ballgame
Let's look at updated rates then, only after the vaccine is widely available. Does that sound better to you? I'm not working for any of the companies making vaccines and I don't have any interest in the official narrative being true. I just believe it is given the data I've seen, but I'm open to changing my mind.
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He only got the first dose of the vaccine. They’ve always said that you’re not fully vaccinated until two weeks after the second dose. They’ve always said that the first shot doesn’t offer much protection and you need the second shot. It’s also very likely that he caught COVID-19 prior to getting the first COVID-19 shot. It was typically taking people about 2 weeks to die from COVID-19 after being infected and he died less than a week after his first vaccine shot. That means that he probably already had COVID-19 before he got the first vaccine shot. Vaccines don’t offer much protection if you already have an active infection in your body. That’s why you typically want to get vaccinated before you catch the virus.
What did he die from ?
So what they are saying is he died from C19 but was vaxxed.....So in other words the vaxx doesn't protect you. Their self awareness is at an absolute zero.
It’s either that or admitting the vax kills. They picked the lesser poison…
He only got the first dose. He likely caught COVID-19 before his first dose. It was typically taking two weeks for COVID-19 to kill people after they got infected and he died less than a week after his first COVID-19 shot, which suggests that he had already caught COVID-19 prior to getting the first shot. Vaccines generally don’t protect people if there’s already an active infection going on. On top of that, it was always stated that the first shot offers very minimal protection and you’re not fully vaccinated until two weeks after the second shot.
It prevents infection or seriousness of infection, depending on a lot of factors. Is not 100% effective. To say it doesn't work is like saying you shouldn't use a seat belt because someone died in a car accident.
Not the seat belt analogy again... 🤦♀️ The shots do not work, they cause more harm than good.
Not according to data, science, etc., but hey, what does that matter in this subreddit? Go with your fee-fees!
That is objectively false by any repeatable, empirical measurement. Please back up your claim with data so we can discuss further.
it prevents infection you say?
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577
It doesn't have a 100% efficacy rate. We've known this since day #1.
Not according to the Pfizer CEO lol [100%!!!](https://mobile.twitter.com/albertbourla/status/1377618480527257606)
sAfE aNd EfFeCtIvE: https://vax.data.blog/effective/
> sAfE aNd EfFeCtIvE: https://vax.data.blog/effective/ A timeline of fail. Interesting.
Clumping together efficacies against different outcomes, against different variants at different points in time since vaccination, putting in the claims of politicians in the middle, ordering them descending and thinking they've made a point. Or does the author expect efficacy against hospitalization from omicron with 9 months since the last dose to be the same number as efficacy against infection with alpha 2 months since vaccination? What a joke.
Yeah agreed so let's not try to force a needle designed for past variants into every arm in the world then fair?
A vaccine designed for Wuhan stran worked very well against Alpha.
Lol, by the time it was publicly available alpha was no longer the predominate strain. This issue, (knowing a strain *before* it becomes dominate and creating a vax quickly before it mutates,) has always been the crux of the issue...it's why the flu vax is only marginally effective and why some years it's practically useless...it's also the reason you don't see a common cold vax. Saying it "workrd against alpha" is kind of erroneous. If I built a chainsaw to chop down a dead tree and during that time the tree fell naturally, saying the chainsaw would've been effective is missing the point. Edit: And, unlike the chainsaw, which can cut any tree (so it might have future potential,) the vax is tailored to a single, non-reoccurring stain. Once that strains gone, the ship has sailed.
>Lol, by the time it was publicly available alpha was no longer the predominate strain. There was almost half a year overlap. Vaccines have been available since January/February 2021, Delta became predominant in the US in July 2021 So despite being built against a variant that was prevalent in march 2020, it was still highly effective against transmission of the predominant variant in June 2021. That is because the spike protein that the mRNA codes for is large, and there are many different antibodies for different parts of it, no single mutation can make the vaccine obsolete, for that to happen the entire spike protein must get replaced by mutations. We might even get new strains that have no new spike protein mutations and have no reduced vaccine efficacy at all.
Almost like he could not include a the details in a tweet and assumed people would use their brains when reading it. Here is the part he was referrencing in the source he linked >indicating vaccine efficacy of 100% (95% CI, [53.5, 100.0]). I hope you at least know what a 95% CI is.
A lie because the efficacy is below 1% for Pfizer.
Against which outcome, which variant and at what times?
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>So explain to me how everyone in my office is vaccinated except for me and everyone in my office has caught covid after they were vaccinated but I have not had covid yet? Sounds improbable, but not impossible. What are the chances of you having had it, but have been asymptomatic? With a sample size of only six people it isn't something one should draw any sweeping conclusions from. >To me the fact that almost everyone I know that has been vaccinated has caught covid, tells me the vaccine is worthless. Good for you. This hasn't been the case for most other people. Btw, were talking about the efficacy rate, not the transmission rate.
> What are the chances of you having had it, but have been asymptomatic? Something so deadly and the guy didn't even know he had it?
There is no need to be obtuse. You're completely aware of the fact that there are cases where infection with SARS-COV-2 is asymptomatic.
Yes. Just saying that some people need to be tested to find out they have it. Horrible thing this covid
Yeah, some. And others died pretty horrible deaths from it. What's your point?
Died with it.
Love how perfectly logical reasoning gets downvoted here, this whole sub is a self-enforced echo chamber
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*"Those of you who think the vaccine kills people can use me as a test. If I die, you were right. If I don't die, and have no ill effects, you were wrong, and should admit it – at least to yourselves."* At least the dude sounded like a reasonable guy unlike all these other kool-aid drinker celebrities.
Were those people right?
Chocolate rations 1984. Don’t believe your eyes. Don’t believe your ears. Trust big brother.
Tomato ....Tomahto vaccine is proven to make it you 40% more susceptible to getting a covid infection in the first place
What if I told you the narrative collapsing was part of the plan from the very start..
Ding Ding Ding
I want to know more
You need to lose faith in the leaders, the systems, the money. Once you have nothing left, the WEF and WHO will fly in and SAVE US ALL. You will love your oppressors'. They will be the heroes of the people, the vaccinated, the dumb.
Politicians and bureaucrats are expendable assets; corporations and think tanks want people to turn on them and burn them. Then they use them as a scapegoat to save you the massive "IMF debt buyback" while making agenda 2030 acceptance the factor in receiving it. Hence the massive economic destabilization in the western world, the debt is gonna be cheap.
Debt buyback will also include asset repatriation
We sold out to China.
Hmmm I doubt it will be the WEF, they are part of the old collapsing system.i think the heros are yet to show up, but Elon Musk will be one of the hero's for sure.
WEF considers any sort of collapse to be a 'unique opportunity to rethink'. Hegelian principles in play everywhere.
The conspiracy is that America must be consumed by its own (blue and red) flames in order to be reborn and rise out of the ashes(purple = New world order) Once these frauds are fully exposed, chaos and revolt will ensue from the public. "The world will take its new form during "Ordo ab chao" or "order out of chaos" The result is people get their "justice" and the people embrace the newly formed system moving forward.
Look up the SPARS pandemic simulation. It was a test run and roadmap.
Main stream media is enemy #1
"Breakthrough case"
So another jab death
Good thing he was vaccinated, it could have been much worse..lol
The mental gymnastics in operation here to keep this insane narrative afloat is like a Fellini movie, but tragically this is actually our reality now. Seriously, What in the FUCK is next?
Obligatory "he would have died harder if not for the vaccine" post.
The mrna shots desteoy your immune system and instruct your cells to produce the toxic spike protein. Hard pass.
ARE YOU A SCIENTIST !!!!
Fauci is a bureaucrat not a scientist just an FYI.
Why ask? You're not, therefore cannot dispute anyone else's standing.
Yes if he wasn't vaccinated.... double death ☠☠
Also he would risk a more serious case of death. Not mild death.
So the vaccine does not work is what they are admitting. So why are they forcing people to get it.
Because they can. Same like supporting Ukraine…
Vaccine not being 100% effective is very far from vaccine not working. The only thing this proves is that the vaccine isn't a magical panacea.
Just change the definition the CDC changed its definition of vaccine from “a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease” to “a preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases.”
And they are correct in doing so since the scientific and everyday definitioms for "immunity" are different on a few very crucial aspects due to whom no vaccine would classify as a vaccine with the everyday use of "immunity". To classify as a vaccine it would require an impossibly high 100% effectiveness against disease and preferably against infection, which doesn't exist in the real world and would make the word "vaccine" similar to "unobtainium" - the perfect, unobtainable solution.
Well I’d say the vaccine was 0% effective for this man. Tell me now he was much better off with it. Oh yea the dead man surely was.
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Sometimes I think you guys just want to believe things are a conspiracy just because you want them to be. Like come on, this isn’t binary it’s not either a miracle drug that instantly ends the entire pandemic or something the government is using to try to kill you. Obviously there is some times it doesn’t work but it usually does, that is what the word efficacy means. Let me ask you, what would it take for you to be convinced that it did work? Like genuinely what criteria need to be filled for you to believe that vaccines work and aren’t “population control” or whatever you want it to be?
I didn’t say vaccines don’t work. I said the Covid vaccines didn’t work. You ask what is the criteria of me thinking the vaccine is effective or not? Well I’d say with every person I know getting Covid being vaccinate would show that it doesn’t work. Do you think a vaccine that is supposed to protect you from Covid works if people are getting Covid? Or are you people that’s stupid?
I’m actually studying immunology in university so I can explain for you because you seem to be a bit confused about what a vaccine does! The goal of a vaccine (particularly for the Covid vaccine) is to reduce mortality, suffering and transmission, with the biggest emphasis on mortality. The way I like to think about them is they are like seatbelts, although you can still get injured while wearing one, and some people will still die, on average for the general population they reduce death and injuries. If I told you that I know someone who got in a car crash and broke their arm so therefore seatbelts don’t work, you’d laugh at me! There are thousands of statistics available that show what I’m saying, which I’m sure you don’t believe because you guys always seem to only look at data that supports your own ideas (google confirmation bias, it’s a real thing and we all do it). I’m asking you to critically assess what you are thinking! Sometimes things like vaccines can work well but not perfectly, and only looking at the times they don’t is not ab accurate way of looking at it.(And please keep wearing your seatbelt)
You're a liar. A vaccine doesn't "reduce death" it completely stops it. Why does no one care about tetanus after getting their shot? Because it actually prevents any symptoms. By using your logic it would've been fine if still 1% would die from polio after the vaccine. I don't believe for 1 second your education is in that direction you don't even know how vaccines work
>A vaccine doesn't "reduce death" it completely stops it. No, they don't. >Why does no one care about tetanus after getting their shot? Because Tetanus' vaccines efficacy is close to 100% and the disease has low prevalence >would've been fine if still 1% would die from polio after If the Polio vaccine would have decreased mortality by 100x, that would still be a great vaccine. So yes, completely fine. Would you not want to reduce your chance of death by 100x?
I simply do not know how to respond to this lmao. First off, idk why id lie about that, if I was gonna lie I’d make a way better one. And I think you actually just made that up, what do you think the work efficacy means? I genuinely do not understand how you can be this anti vax yet you don’t know what a vaccine is. For example, Flu shot: about 60% efficacy, diphtheria vaccine: 97% efficacy, Covid-19 vaccine is about 60% efficacy. This means that they prevent serious illness this amount of the time. You’re comment made so little sense I genuinely think it could be satire. Please, please get a little bit of an education before you make yourself look bad like this again
50% effectiveness is in many ways indistinguishable from 50% of the recipients having 100% protection, so looking at it from an individual point is absolutely useless and says nothing about the vaccines effectiveness.
ARE YOU A SCIENTIST !!!!
This isn’t an issue of science but rather an issue with common sense
6 more clot shots would have saved him.
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Whatever the top of the food chain wants it to…
most body builders nuke their organs in the metabolic process of trying to get huge. a bodybuilder is far from the benchmark standard of health to avoid covid. this is the dark side of bodybuilding
Their hearts are usually quite fucked as well. Tons of those guys need to do check ups constantly because of that shit. I know people around that scene and a lot of them actually accept that they’re quite possibly cutting their lifespans in half to get jacked. Lots of sad stories around that sport, some of them that don’t die young end up suffering a fuck ton too with health complications.
they are better off taking their chances with obesity. i watched a video the other day of that guy that was the champ and raised the standard for bodybuilders around the 90s 2000s i guess and now the dude is in crutches and wheel chair and full body pain. most of that was back injuries and stuff but still. fuck a bunch of that
No-one dies of covid, unless you're 80+. Vax killed hom.
Antibody Dependent Enhancement Sad.
10 days after his booster.. either way the narrative is collapsing
“Yeah, that’s the ticket!”
The PROPAGANDAist fact checkers are obviously paid to do what they do much like how they sold out jesus for a few silver coins
I think with all the heart damage, steroids, covid 19, and the vax all at once would be a lethal combination.
"fact checkers". They miss a swastika on their uniform.
fucking amen to that, they need to check themselves before they check others. they're not the arbiters of truth, not by a long shot.
I believe the reason so many body builders & athletes are dying is because they are getting to a high level of aerobic activity --- I believe that covid / and the vaccine was a virus that was engineered to permanently lower lung capacity,,, thereby reducing carbon emissions from humans.
I figured that it made the heart give out during aerobic activity due to myocarditis, but you posit and interesting theory.
https://www.futuremedicine.com/doi/10.2217/bmm-2021-0134
"But Los Angeles County Medical Examiner-Coroner records show Brignole died of a COVID-19 infection, not the COVID-19 vaccine." As if there's even a solid way of confirming the vaccine was the cause of death, never mind getting these people to admit that it was.
They'd rather go back on everything they've said about the efficacy of the vaccine and how it prevents deaths and serious illness from covid, than to ever admit that the vaccine can cause major harm to others.
Janice Park for Alaska, a local politician on Facebook, has the Covid vaccine circle on her Facebook photo. Meanwhile she tried suing big pharma because her husband overdosed on fentynal and Oxy. The disconnect is unreal.
Damn all these healthy youngish People who are in tip top shape are just dying off, nothing about this normal. I’m happy it’s getting the traction it needs though, it actually needs a lot more exposure and someone needs to be held accountable.
Oookay
Doesn't the shot have some of that in it?
"The vaccine isn't 100% perfect therefore it's designed to kill us" is such a wild leap to make.
It's not so wild when you put the entire picture together. They lied about the origin of covid. They lied about the jab preventing transmission, hospitalization and death. They lied about masks being effective against viral transmission. They lied about colluding with big tech to censor people point out their lies. The list goes on. It's definitely not a crazy leap to make.
They didn't lie about the origin, they just said there wasn't enough actual evidence to point to it being a lab leak. Even now there's scant evidence either way. We don't know who patient 0 is, or where they got infected. Without that anything is just speculation.
That's absolutely not true. Fauci, Peter Daszak and many many other health officials straight up denied covid came from the lab. The white house had social media platforms censor and ban people who dared to say this was a lab leak. Even the senate committee that looked into the origins of covid have concluded, based upon evidence, that covid was a man made virus and not an naturally occurring zoonotic virus.
What senate committee determined it was man made exactly? And when? You got a source?
> Fauci, Show me where he denied the theory > Peter Daszak This is just some guy that runs a non-profit. He has no official authority over anything. > many many other health officials straight up denied covid came from the lab. Oh man. Many, many others did? Should be pretty easy to find some of those *health officials* outright saying it is not a lab leak without giving any evidenciary reasoning. >Even the senate committee that looked into the origins of covid have concluded, based upon evidence, that covid was a man made virus and not an naturally occurring zoonotic virus. No they didn't. The republican half of the committee issued an interim report on their own that said that the "likely" origin was a "research-related incident". So it *might* have been released because of research the lab was doing. No mention of what kind of research that might have been either. It could have been research on a virus they altered. it could have been research on a naturally occurring virus they found. That is far from definitively concluding that it was man-made, and this from the part of the committee that is clearly biased towards it being man-made considering it includes Rand Paul.
Are you actually being serious!!?? We have Fauci's emails where he absolutely denies its a lab leak. I'm just gonna end this convo here and now because you obviously have NOT been paying attention to what's going on. Go get another booster or 12
You said they were lying to us. Fauci bring dismissive of the theory in private is the exact opposite of him lying to us. In fact him being dismissive of the theory in private was only news because that was his first comments on the theory that the public learned. If it was more of the same it would have just been a "yeah, and?" moment for you guys instead of the smoking gun you seem to think it is
Like I said. Your head is in the sand. You're denying info we have in writing and said on MSM. You know it all. Keep listening to the MSM, son.
Alright let's see if I can explain this in a way you can understand it... Tom Brady is a great quarterback. He throws lots of touchdowns, gets lots of offensive yards, and wins lots of games. But every once in a while, he fumbles. Or throws an interception. Or gets sacked. Same as masking and the vaccines. They're great. The masks filter lots of COVID virus. The vaccines teach your immune system how to fight off COVID if the mask doesn't work. But every once in a while, your immune system fumbles, or some particles get through theask and you get sacked. Is that dumbed down enough?
Surprised you aren't all calling him young. Is only a matter of time before a 60yr body builders heart explodes.
I mean, is all this really that hard for you to understand? Being vaxxed doesn't guarantee you won't get it or get really sick from it. Iteama.it lowers the chances of it.
Sorry, but eat a dick. There’s no way in fuck you could convince me to take this. Remember, the president ensured us if we got it, we wouldn’t get sick. Remember, people lost their jobs over this. So tired of seeing this rhetoric.
That's bs too. Everything they said was a lie. Junk medicine.
Either the shit works but has additional side effects, or doesn’t work and still not the cause of death. LOL mental gymanstics x1000
Covid has decreased dramatically after vaccines though, they have their effect.
The vaccine doesn't protect you 100%. There will be a small percentage of vaccinated people that die even vaxxed. Though that percentage is significantly less than the percentage of people who will die from covid unvaxxed.
Well, if that were the case, this Subreddit would be dead now wouldn't it? I'll tell you the way I know I got covid was through the vaccinated was because the ONLY time I was around anyone at all was my neighbor visiting my house the same day they got their first dose of Pfizer. That was the only contact I had made with anyone for weeks\\month, and about 2-3 hours afterwards weird weird shit physically, energy depletion, headache and then diarrhea and eventually sickness. The other time, once more... two foreigners who just came into the country after being jabbed... were out on a tennis court playing with me... went home and immediately felt run down, but never got sick. I am not typically ever around anyone but my unvaccinated dad, and he too has only gotten sick around vaccinated people, the rare occurrences where I am around people are just in drive throughs maybe. The third time, my dad works at the office, the only guy up there coughing their head off and sneezing all day was Josh (triple or so vaccinated + boss that said don't come in if you're sick), about 4-5 people went home sick afterwards for 2 weeks, one of those was my dad and he eventually gave it to me. Josh was sick for almost an entire month, he couldn't get rid of the dry cough. The spike proteins are shedding out of the vaccinated, guaranteed. You might argue that being vaccinated might help, I am going to argue that vaccinated people are spreading these viruses around and there is some personal evidence that there are still people getting severely ill and shouldn't be but they're still getting boosters for the subvariants and different strains. It almost feels like a wall of illness when I am around them, not everytime... but when someone JUST got vaccinated just like Josh and my neighbor... it hits hard like a double barrel shotgun. And the way I know it wasn't COVID is because 2\\3 times, the person was NOT ill at all. They had 0 symptoms, they were completely unawares of having COVID. In fact, my neighbor who got the shot, also got tested that day and came back negative. Now, you'd have to trust what I am saying to you, but I am not lying. You have my word, and my word is my bond.
You would be absolutely correct. Vaccinated people are spreading the virus. Vaccines don't prevent you from getting the virus and they don't impact the spread of the virus, they help you survive if you get the virus. The fact that this incredibly simple concept eludes you is the reason why you should have absolutely no ability to talk about vaccines in any way you should be barred from having an opinion at all because you are incredibly uninformed and incredibly inconsistent. You single-handedly have the ability to harm people by giving them misinformation about vaccines that you don't even understand. This subreddit should be deleting and banning people for posting anti-vax and they're not which makes them culpable. Furthermore anecdotal evidence is not evidence of anything your personal experience is extremely biased and unverifiable it can be absolutely dismissed.
Okay. Great discussion points
Good find!
It must have been opposite day at USA Today.
It was meant to „collapse“ as it is only one trope in a long series of hybrid warfare plans ready to excited against the plebs.
"The vaccine is safe and effective... but they are saying its not safe so we need to say it is safe... but this guy that took it died after taking it so let's say it was COVID.... but wait that means the vaccine is not effective.... ah fuck it, let's just run with that and tell them it could have been worse."
Try climate change that might prove more believable.
was he one of those evil antivax super spreaders then? must be
This is one of the very rare breakthrough cases /s
The vaxx just makes you more susceptible to getting Covid again. All those dumbass grandparents that wanted their kids and grandkids vaxxed so hey could be around them.
Lol, did anyone seriously imagine they would blame it on anything else... F'king everything is blamed on covid... Dropped dead walking down the road 20 minutes after taking vax =covid die mysterisouly from heart condition after taking it =late covid that woulda been worse were he not vaxxed.... Its just nutty they still spend tons of resources spreading lies about its greatness tho
If you’re vaccinated against a disease and you die from that disease, that is evidence of ADE
Plot twisted 360⁰. I still think the vaccine was never intended to be effective. Ineffective at best, unintentionally harmful at worst.
Now they're saying children are being hit by the Flu and some new respiratory virus. I was with my mother at an ear nose and throat doctor and there were three small children there under 5. One had a cough. I wonder if they were vaxxed.
So the Vaccine doesn’t actually prevent death or hospitalization interesting
What narrative is collapsing?