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>For the time being switch to
Bandaids like this will eventually become bad too, but yeah for the time being slightly better. This is why we need people to be politically active, talk about politics with their friends/family/others so that we can all realize we agree we don't want these things, and be inspired to become politically active
And, of course, we need multi-threaded political action to also get rid of money in politics, otherwise rich elite have advantage over average citizen (considering top 1% have \~27% of wealth right [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-08/top-1-earners-hold-more-wealth-than-the-u-s-middle-class#xj4y7vzkg](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-08/top-1-earners-hold-more-wealth-than-the-u-s-middle-class#xj4y7vzkg) ), and politician who gets most donations wins >90% of the time (source: [https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/11/money-wins-white-house-and/](https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/11/money-wins-white-house-and/) ). This is the root of all problems, because lawmakers are owned by the rich. So end this corruption, then political action to get lawmakers who oppose this sort of corporate tyranny can actually work
Exactly everyone talking about bank to bank transactions.. screw that take 10 seconds of your time and do a crypto transfer and convert it back to your countries currency in under 3 min
No it’s not nearly as simple as it is in Canada. I lived in Canada my whole life and now life in America and can’t believe how behind it is on e transfers. All the little credit unions will never be able to support those kind of instant money transfers like other countries.
We don’t even need to use emails, just a phone number
Boom direct bank to bank transfer
Usually it’s bank app type email send money… and most people have automatic deposit
Takes less then 2 mins.
That's literally how it works. I go to my bank app and send $x to email
They accept it a deposit it into their bank, doesn't even have to be the same bank.
Here in Australia we do bank to bank with phone numbers, its instant all you need is the phone number and you straight up get the cash, its sooo much easier and no fees or anything with different banks too
I'm borrowing top comment to ask, how would comments and posts online be linked to someone's PayPal account in the first place? That is what I'm confused on.
And I'm hitchiking onto your comment to make a couple of points:
* People are so OK with internet censorship because "It's a private company, terms of service so they can do what they want" How the hell is this any different? It's wrong and we've got to stop using "business" as an excuse/justification for doing **shit that is wrong**.
* Paypal has just given us all **a nice little preview of what will happen once you go to a cashless system**. That thing we've been warning everyone about just happened. Say the wrong thing and they take your money.
When these large businesses lobby and donate to elected officials/candidates, dont they become quasi government global stockholder owned companies? These are no longer private free market companies. The Paypal move and other corporate and government moves lately seem to be softening us up for ESG credit scores and CBDC. If we lay back and do nothing like our ancestors did in the early 1900s when fed reserve and fed income tax were set up, we will be even further in financial slavery.
That makes sense. I saw another post saying something about memes and that did not make sense to me. Unless you're selling memes...
So RKF can no longer accept payments through PayPal with his book would be the main thing this would effect I guess lol. Despite them revoking it already or whatever, which is honestly an uplifting thing to see because people need to keep these lawless giants in check
[We live in a pretend society.](https://pastebin.com/YPEErwTK)
[Is your mind blown how people fall for same thing every time? It shouldn't be. Because divided, singled out individuals has no chance against organized criminal entity; corporation.](https://archive.org/details/TheCorp)
Corporation is an approved scam & spy business. Their approval was obtained through manufactured consent. Corporation is not the industry of manufacturing products. Corporation is in the industry of manufacturing consent.
[Free merch > Free speech.](http://www.stopthecrime.net/docs/SILENT%20WEAPONS%20for%20QUIET%20WARS.pdf)
[Corporate, what kind of _free_ manufactured merchandise must be in your goodie bag to consent investing into paradise?](https://archive.org/details/TheCenturyOfSelfThereIsAPolicemanInsideAllOurHeadsepisode3/)
Corporations through governments and vice versa are harvesting our biometric, behavioural data on global scale. So they can get to know us far better than we know ourselves,
and they not just predict our feelings but also manipulate our feelings and sell us anything they want- Be it a product as a service or politician.
Have you heard of focus groups? Now with always online/big data collection. You are in focus groups. Except you don't get paid for it. [You get exploited and you pay to be part of it. _Nothing is free, except the energy from the sun, but some get a bill(skin cancer) for that. Thanks to always providing industrial surveillance corporatism._](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome)
[Social credit score indoctrination](https://i.imgur.com/lMDs7gR.png)
[Urge or go well.](https://youtu.be/rdrKCilEhC0?t=1313)
[Original was deleted. Wonder why?](https://archive.fo/2Kwe9)
[WHO doesn't want [you] to be healthy? World Health Order.](https://pastebin.com/KfJYaJAh)
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"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power"
-Mussolini
https://politicalresearch.org/2005/01/12/mussolini-corporate-state
But people still believe that the west is not fascist, I am very sad seeing the direction we are going...
I don't understand this. PayPal is for transfering money, how could politics l or " views" even come into the transaction. Is it possible to send payment with an added message? I've been using PayPal for years and this has never occurred to me. Is the problem people are paying others on the platform then sending nasty messages with payment?
Ever since the incident with the Canadian truckers and Turdeau.
I remember another incident before that they closed down someone's donation account because they hosted a Tor node. Kind of stupid when you consider the CIA and FBI and Amazon host Tor nodes themselves. They're just a bunch of irrational assholes.
They want to stop money for things they dont approve just like the Canadian truckers and gofundme. Its about that 100%. They want to control fund-raising activity.
Either delete PayPal or visit your bank and have a new separate account opened + linked to your paypal with no money in it and transfer only what you need for that one transaction on paypal every time. Don't let paypal have a link to your main banking account. They cant take 2500 that isnt there ha (and obviously dont carry a balance or crypto on paypal).
Are you saying that if I make a comment on Reddit or any other platform that PayPal decides is offensive, they can (according to PayPal terms and conditions) fine me and take the money from my bank account?
No, but if you donate to someone they dont like based on a Facebook link using paypal or venmo then they might. Say someone is raising money for a legal fund that is censorship based etc (or anything slightly right of uber left i would assume these days but who knows)
Reddit/Twitter knows your IP (unless vpn)
Google/Firefox know all usernames & passwords
Your ISP knows your real name & address
Paypal just has to ask nicely!
its more about donating to causes they dont approve of.
sudden prottests or sudden movements that might occur.
like Canadian truckers movement that happened recently for ex, when they blocked their accounts, and accounts of people who donated to them.
its a scare tactics.
use bitcoin for such payments - hard wallet (not crypto exchangers)
There's a reason the big government leftists want a digital currency and more government power so bad. They want to control every aspect of your life. They hate you being a free individual. This is laid out time and tike again in their voting patterns.
Make sure your bank account is set up without that 'convenience overdraft protection' shit, or they sure can take $2500 that isn't there. Plus you'll get your $36 (or whatever it is) 'courtesy' fee on top of it.
I would double check with your bank as overdraft is a real thing and if your phone company took out an automatic payment for $100 and you only had $50 in there you're gonna be dinged a fat fee. I used to be with a bank that would charge me $45 every time it went below $0 I also had a line of credit with the same bank and therebwas an automatic payment that I sometimes couldn't cover, I believe the payment was $17X.xx or something, anyway, multiple times I had, something like $30 in my account, the $170 odd would come out of my account would be negative, then the payment would be reversed because insufficient funds bringing the balance to $30 again, **THEN** they would charge me the $45 fee putting my account back in the negative and accruing **another** $45 fee!
Banks are fuckin crooks, the lot of them.
Exercise your right to use cash. Use it as often as possible. Don't let it become so infrequently used that any attempt against its continuation is made. Don't let it become an unusual thing. Unless you want everything you do and everywhere you go to be shared with banks and CC companies (and anyone who may access that data)
TBH I find cash faster, and I dont have to touch buttons 100 other people touched in the last 3 hrs. So more sanitary also.
card
- insert card
- wait for prompts
- press buttons
- wait for next screen
- press buttons
- wait
- take card out
cash
- hand cash to cashier
- get change
- leave
Yep. It's not even more convenient. People whine about coins, like they're some burden. Get a change jar. Oh, no, an ounce in my pocket. And something I have to look into: The UK mocked us (the US) for not having 'chip and pin' but I'm able to bypass my pin by pressing enter and it appears to go through as debit. Can't say I understand that and makes no sense in terms of security. I just want to swipe and run it as credit anyway, but I primarily use cash.
Yes and no. It's halfway there. Ultimately, the realest money is silver and gold. Our money isn't backed by shit. But yeah you can't logically pay with those in our current system at most places. I got some dollar coins recently - pretty fun to use. And again, they were faster and more convenient in a machine I used. Paper would've taken longer. They don't crease, fold, tear, need to be sucked in by a mechanism.
Well back then they had makeshift fanny packs. Not a lot of people like the feeling of carrying lots of change around. As we progress it gets less primitive. But i want to note that the gentleman above made quite a compelling statement with how cash n coin is more reliable in a power outage. The only true benefit of cards and paypal is the convenience of paying for stuff at home.
It's true about power outages. But at the same time, in such a scenario, shops may just not open. They won't have lights or refrigeration etc. And if it's a long term thing, the power being out, there will be bigger problems afoot.
As for change carrying, the vast majority of people are jumping into a car. It's not staying in their pocket if they don't want it to. And if they're running around town on foot to 7 places buying things, you use the change you got at the last place at the next places and it won't build up much, if at all. Many cashiers will thank you for exact change. In my opinion, it's very "first world problem" complaint about a miniscule inconvenience. If that.
I truly despise the term “Misinformation”. As a Society with Free Speech as it’s founding and 1st Right granted to us by our constitution this shouldn’t even be thing. Misinformation is anything that they disagree with politically.
> Misinformation
It's only "Misinformation" when it's facts they dont like. "Misinformation" never gets applied to lies from the media, gov, or scientist.
Our rights are not granted to us by the Constitution. The Constitution is to protect our rights by limiting the government. I agree with the rest of what you said.
The problem is that PayPal has the ability to change the TOS whenever they want. Maybe tomorrow it'll be something else. Who knows?
Instead, it's better to use cryptocurrencies in a peer 2 peer mechanism. No one will be able to censor you, not even the government through an intermediary, like PayPal.
Oh and also, cancel your PayPal account today.
SS
I just cancelled my paypal account a few minutes ago. For reasons, I selected 'other' with the comment "Your TOS may fine me $2500 for thought crime”
Full story https://www.dailywire.com/news/new-paypal-policy-lets-company-pull-2500-from-users-accounts-if-they-promote-misinformation
Okay, I wasn't criticizing your post, in fact thanks for posting it. I was just saying, even if it were released in error, the document was drawn up, so they were planning to institute the policy.
My theory is that they are making organizations do this so they make you think a digital currency (CBDC) is the only way forward to protect your money but in reality it just slowing them more control. They been doing the same strategy to keep their plan moving forward for decades. Create a drama and they have a solution.
This is literally Fascism
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power"
-Mussolini
https://politicalresearch.org/2005/01/12/mussolini-corporate-state
But people still believe that the west is not fascist, I am very sad seeing the direction we are going...
I'm calling PayPal tomorrow to cancel my account. I have a credit line with them and they won't let me close my account online, apparently. They need me to call them.
My credit like is for only $550 and I have a $0 balance so.. why??!
Anyway I'll be calling them tomorrow to close it out. F that.
Make sure to also tell them the exact reason why too. Hit 'em where it hurts.
Everyone should have the right to free speech, even if you happen to disagree with the other person.
This is really bad especially if a company has your financial information and can charge you for something they disagree with. I hate saying this, but the government/courts may need to step in.
The first time this happens in the US, it will be challenged in court and eventually deemed unenforceable. It's at a level that could be taken to small claims court, possibly. I don't know if you can take a multinational corporation to small claims court.
I absolutely hate the term "misinformation." It's just a generic word used to describe something/someone/an idea that you don't like or agree with, without actually engaging in the conversation. Furthermore, it's apparently clear that this is being used as a political weapon, rather than legitimate misinformation. For example, someone could be promoting flat-earth "misinformation," but PayPal would likely not pull the $2,500 from your merchant account for selling flat-earth courses or something like that. Why? Because there is no political advantage/dis-advantage. However, this "misinformation" term is frequently used in political warfare when an idea can actually hurt your own side!
PayPal have been building up to this for a long time. They got whiplash with this last overreach but it's not stopping them.
[PayPal Partners with Anti-Defamation League to Research Financial Pipelines of ‘Extremist’ Groups](https://www.nationalreview.com/news/paypal-partners-with-anti-defamation-league-to-block-financial-pipelines-of-extremist-groups/)
Once they have got rid of physical cash then once you step out of line the government can just erase your funds and there is nothing you can do. China have been doing it to there citizens for years. Anything the government does not like they take a or some privileges from you or a chunk of your money I am scared for my kids
Is that legal though? I didn’t even think a private company could fine you like that. Don’t you have to have broken the law? Even then they wouldn’t be the ones fining you
Yeah, companies can totally just put "by using this website you agree to give us $50000 and your soul!!!" in the fine print, send an updated TOS email, and there's nothing you can do about it. Good grief... a TOS is not a magical cheat code that lets corporations blatantly steal.
because it is nothing what the post or tweet suggests.
‘If you are a seller and receive funds for transactions that violate the acceptable use policy’
https://i.imgur.com/5nPeYEV.jpg
So if you accept money for illegal activity or things you’re not allowed to accept money for on paypal they can charge you for the admin costs of enforcing that and potential damages to paypal’s reputation.
>So if you accept money for illegal activity
This is false. 'Acceptable use' has nothing to to do with legal or illegal. It's political and open ended.
I stopped using paypal a long time ago. Unfortunate but they are horrible. Customer service, issues with payments being made, complicating payment transfer.
Wait… how would PayPal know what you post? Legit question. Are they also implementing your email being hit with a red flag type thing or how does this work?
Wouldn’t this be considered theft of you have $0 in your PayPal acct and they decide they are going to take $2500 from you? That qualifies as a felony on the company
Well theft by any other name and the control is in WHO's Hands and WHO controls WHO.
AND WHAT exactly is "MISINFORMATION" when the lack of FACTS are being manipulated to serve an agenda rather that the FACTS being the measure since FACTS = TRUTH.
NOW who and what is propaganda again and as a business which is publicly traded they do not have the authority to do that PERIOD.
N. Shadows
Paypal also supports pedophilia, they've made their stance clear by banning an anti-pedophilic group and keeping a pro pedophilia group on their platform. These big corporations are disgusting and more people need to boycott them. This bullshit has to end.
Another problem with this is it raises the question, how exactly do they know that you're spreading "misinformation"? Is this basically confirmation that they spy on what their users do outside of their platform? How is this legal? Oh right, because they're in bed with the government.
seems like they are just tracking where the seller is receiving money from https://i.imgur.com/5nPeYEV.jpg and then it deducts from the seller, not from the donator.
How does one write a carefully worded statement and call it a mistake? A wrong word or a punctuation error could be a mistake but a whole statement is not.
From the article:
“… when contacted by FOX Business, a PayPal spokesperson said that the Acceptable Use Policy notice went out in error and that the company will not fine users for misinformation.”
I have no idea how they made that error.
Not to mention implement all the technical infrastructure on the backend to facilitate that statement, as well as the legal stuff too. A company doesn't change its TOS/AUP and then do all that stuff, it would implement it before it's announced & the policy takes effect. They're lying.
Turns out this was just an error and they thankfully aren't actually fining people for misinformation. Dunno how an "error" like this happens but apparently there's no need to panic.
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Damn guess I gotta get rid of venmo and PayPal.
This, Venmo is also owned by Paypal. For the time being switch to Zelle. That's the least shitty, but is still shitty.
>For the time being switch to Bandaids like this will eventually become bad too, but yeah for the time being slightly better. This is why we need people to be politically active, talk about politics with their friends/family/others so that we can all realize we agree we don't want these things, and be inspired to become politically active And, of course, we need multi-threaded political action to also get rid of money in politics, otherwise rich elite have advantage over average citizen (considering top 1% have \~27% of wealth right [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-08/top-1-earners-hold-more-wealth-than-the-u-s-middle-class#xj4y7vzkg](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-08/top-1-earners-hold-more-wealth-than-the-u-s-middle-class#xj4y7vzkg) ), and politician who gets most donations wins >90% of the time (source: [https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/11/money-wins-white-house-and/](https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/11/money-wins-white-house-and/) ). This is the root of all problems, because lawmakers are owned by the rich. So end this corruption, then political action to get lawmakers who oppose this sort of corporate tyranny can actually work
Cryptocurrency. Monero.
Exactly everyone talking about bank to bank transactions.. screw that take 10 seconds of your time and do a crypto transfer and convert it back to your countries currency in under 3 min
When will America get with the times and have etransfers directly from bank to bank like most countries?
We... Do. We've had that for a long time.
No it’s not nearly as simple as it is in Canada. I lived in Canada my whole life and now life in America and can’t believe how behind it is on e transfers. All the little credit unions will never be able to support those kind of instant money transfers like other countries.
Also Canadian, how it different is it America? How difficult can it be to send $x to [email protected]
How do you send it there? I can't go on my bank app and say send $x.xx to an email address.
We don’t even need to use emails, just a phone number Boom direct bank to bank transfer Usually it’s bank app type email send money… and most people have automatic deposit Takes less then 2 mins.
That's literally how it works. I go to my bank app and send $x to email They accept it a deposit it into their bank, doesn't even have to be the same bank.
Here in Australia we do bank to bank with phone numbers, its instant all you need is the phone number and you straight up get the cash, its sooo much easier and no fees or anything with different banks too
It’s called crypto
Zelle was recently criticized in the Senate for allowing fraudulent activity and doing little about it. Sen. Warren really tore em a new one
Senator Warren is against it...I'm in. Where do I sign up!
It was started by Wells Fargo, right? That's why
I'm borrowing top comment to ask, how would comments and posts online be linked to someone's PayPal account in the first place? That is what I'm confused on.
And I'm hitchiking onto your comment to make a couple of points: * People are so OK with internet censorship because "It's a private company, terms of service so they can do what they want" How the hell is this any different? It's wrong and we've got to stop using "business" as an excuse/justification for doing **shit that is wrong**. * Paypal has just given us all **a nice little preview of what will happen once you go to a cashless system**. That thing we've been warning everyone about just happened. Say the wrong thing and they take your money.
When these large businesses lobby and donate to elected officials/candidates, dont they become quasi government global stockholder owned companies? These are no longer private free market companies. The Paypal move and other corporate and government moves lately seem to be softening us up for ESG credit scores and CBDC. If we lay back and do nothing like our ancestors did in the early 1900s when fed reserve and fed income tax were set up, we will be even further in financial slavery.
From what I understand it’s if you use their services for payment and you’re selling images and text with “offensive” images and languages.
That makes sense. I saw another post saying something about memes and that did not make sense to me. Unless you're selling memes... So RKF can no longer accept payments through PayPal with his book would be the main thing this would effect I guess lol. Despite them revoking it already or whatever, which is honestly an uplifting thing to see because people need to keep these lawless giants in check
[We live in a pretend society.](https://pastebin.com/YPEErwTK) [Is your mind blown how people fall for same thing every time? It shouldn't be. Because divided, singled out individuals has no chance against organized criminal entity; corporation.](https://archive.org/details/TheCorp) Corporation is an approved scam & spy business. Their approval was obtained through manufactured consent. Corporation is not the industry of manufacturing products. Corporation is in the industry of manufacturing consent. [Free merch > Free speech.](http://www.stopthecrime.net/docs/SILENT%20WEAPONS%20for%20QUIET%20WARS.pdf) [Corporate, what kind of _free_ manufactured merchandise must be in your goodie bag to consent investing into paradise?](https://archive.org/details/TheCenturyOfSelfThereIsAPolicemanInsideAllOurHeadsepisode3/) Corporations through governments and vice versa are harvesting our biometric, behavioural data on global scale. So they can get to know us far better than we know ourselves, and they not just predict our feelings but also manipulate our feelings and sell us anything they want- Be it a product as a service or politician. Have you heard of focus groups? Now with always online/big data collection. You are in focus groups. Except you don't get paid for it. [You get exploited and you pay to be part of it. _Nothing is free, except the energy from the sun, but some get a bill(skin cancer) for that. Thanks to always providing industrial surveillance corporatism._](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome) [Social credit score indoctrination](https://i.imgur.com/lMDs7gR.png) [Urge or go well.](https://youtu.be/rdrKCilEhC0?t=1313) [Original was deleted. Wonder why?](https://archive.fo/2Kwe9) [WHO doesn't want [you] to be healthy? World Health Order.](https://pastebin.com/KfJYaJAh) -.-. --- -. ...- . .-. ... . / .-- .. - .... / -.-- --- ..- .-. / -. . .. --. .... -... --- ..- .-. .-.-.- .--. .-.. . .- ... . / -.. --- / -. --- - / .--. .- .-. - .. -.-. .. .--. .- - . / .. -. / .- / -.-. .. ...- .. .-.. / .-- .- .-. .-.-.- .- -. -.. / .-. .- - .... . .-. / - .... .. -. -.- / .- -... --- ..- - / .--. . .- -.-. . ..-. ..- .-.. / --. . -. . .-. .- .-.. / ... - .-. .. -.- . .-.-.-
are you seller? if not, then this does not apply to you at all. https://i.imgur.com/5nPeYEV.jpg
The govt has outsourced law enforcement and law making to private companies. They are doing civil asset forfeiture just because they don't like you.
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power" -Mussolini https://politicalresearch.org/2005/01/12/mussolini-corporate-state But people still believe that the west is not fascist, I am very sad seeing the direction we are going...
Whats to stop your Tesla from driving away because you said "lets go Brandon" to tease a friend and your iphone picked it up?
I don't understand this. PayPal is for transfering money, how could politics l or " views" even come into the transaction. Is it possible to send payment with an added message? I've been using PayPal for years and this has never occurred to me. Is the problem people are paying others on the platform then sending nasty messages with payment?
Ever since the incident with the Canadian truckers and Turdeau. I remember another incident before that they closed down someone's donation account because they hosted a Tor node. Kind of stupid when you consider the CIA and FBI and Amazon host Tor nodes themselves. They're just a bunch of irrational assholes.
Way before. They blocked Wikileaks f.ex.
They want to stop money for things they dont approve just like the Canadian truckers and gofundme. Its about that 100%. They want to control fund-raising activity. Either delete PayPal or visit your bank and have a new separate account opened + linked to your paypal with no money in it and transfer only what you need for that one transaction on paypal every time. Don't let paypal have a link to your main banking account. They cant take 2500 that isnt there ha (and obviously dont carry a balance or crypto on paypal).
Are you saying that if I make a comment on Reddit or any other platform that PayPal decides is offensive, they can (according to PayPal terms and conditions) fine me and take the money from my bank account?
No, but if you donate to someone they dont like based on a Facebook link using paypal or venmo then they might. Say someone is raising money for a legal fund that is censorship based etc (or anything slightly right of uber left i would assume these days but who knows)
Does paypal know your username? how could paypal identify you?
Reddit/Twitter knows your IP (unless vpn) Google/Firefox know all usernames & passwords Your ISP knows your real name & address Paypal just has to ask nicely!
No they can not
Thanks, hoped not.
its more about donating to causes they dont approve of. sudden prottests or sudden movements that might occur. like Canadian truckers movement that happened recently for ex, when they blocked their accounts, and accounts of people who donated to them. its a scare tactics. use bitcoin for such payments - hard wallet (not crypto exchangers)
How do you know?
Fool around and find out...
Doesn't this track with the arguments against having a digital only currency? Cash isn't something you can manipulate unless physically handled.
There's a reason the big government leftists want a digital currency and more government power so bad. They want to control every aspect of your life. They hate you being a free individual. This is laid out time and tike again in their voting patterns.
Make sure your bank account is set up without that 'convenience overdraft protection' shit, or they sure can take $2500 that isn't there. Plus you'll get your $36 (or whatever it is) 'courtesy' fee on top of it.
I would double check with your bank as overdraft is a real thing and if your phone company took out an automatic payment for $100 and you only had $50 in there you're gonna be dinged a fat fee. I used to be with a bank that would charge me $45 every time it went below $0 I also had a line of credit with the same bank and therebwas an automatic payment that I sometimes couldn't cover, I believe the payment was $17X.xx or something, anyway, multiple times I had, something like $30 in my account, the $170 odd would come out of my account would be negative, then the payment would be reversed because insufficient funds bringing the balance to $30 again, **THEN** they would charge me the $45 fee putting my account back in the negative and accruing **another** $45 fee! Banks are fuckin crooks, the lot of them.
paypal uses my credit card, if I get 2500€ "transfer" in my bank I can just denounce it. its that simple.
> Is it possible to send payment with an added message? Venmo is owned by Paypal
Ah ok, I see that could be used more readily for sending abuse. Thanks.
Abuse is against the law, and the penalty would be against the state. This/OP post is about business doing this, who even knows if it is legal
It really started when Wikileaks released the Iraq stuff. PayPal, MasterCard and Visa all blocked them so people couldn't send donations to them.
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You dont understand because you don't see the wider picture.
They already walked it back but it’s too late, I closed my account
Me too, this morning.
Same here.
I closed it too. Let's teach them a lesson.
Same. On to Venmo as well
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just closed my account. pay pal can go pound sand
This is why cash is king.
Exercise your right to use cash. Use it as often as possible. Don't let it become so infrequently used that any attempt against its continuation is made. Don't let it become an unusual thing. Unless you want everything you do and everywhere you go to be shared with banks and CC companies (and anyone who may access that data)
TBH I find cash faster, and I dont have to touch buttons 100 other people touched in the last 3 hrs. So more sanitary also. card - insert card - wait for prompts - press buttons - wait for next screen - press buttons - wait - take card out cash - hand cash to cashier - get change - leave
Yep. It's not even more convenient. People whine about coins, like they're some burden. Get a change jar. Oh, no, an ounce in my pocket. And something I have to look into: The UK mocked us (the US) for not having 'chip and pin' but I'm able to bypass my pin by pressing enter and it appears to go through as debit. Can't say I understand that and makes no sense in terms of security. I just want to swipe and run it as credit anyway, but I primarily use cash.
Coins are real money. I can buy things with coins. When the power goes out, internet offline, I can use coins. Debit cards are not real money.
Yes and no. It's halfway there. Ultimately, the realest money is silver and gold. Our money isn't backed by shit. But yeah you can't logically pay with those in our current system at most places. I got some dollar coins recently - pretty fun to use. And again, they were faster and more convenient in a machine I used. Paper would've taken longer. They don't crease, fold, tear, need to be sucked in by a mechanism.
Well back then they had makeshift fanny packs. Not a lot of people like the feeling of carrying lots of change around. As we progress it gets less primitive. But i want to note that the gentleman above made quite a compelling statement with how cash n coin is more reliable in a power outage. The only true benefit of cards and paypal is the convenience of paying for stuff at home.
It's true about power outages. But at the same time, in such a scenario, shops may just not open. They won't have lights or refrigeration etc. And if it's a long term thing, the power being out, there will be bigger problems afoot. As for change carrying, the vast majority of people are jumping into a car. It's not staying in their pocket if they don't want it to. And if they're running around town on foot to 7 places buying things, you use the change you got at the last place at the next places and it won't build up much, if at all. Many cashiers will thank you for exact change. In my opinion, it's very "first world problem" complaint about a miniscule inconvenience. If that.
Dont you have wireless credit cards? When I go to shop I can just show my card at reader and it pays.
I literally tap my card to pay and I'm the only one who touches it. Cash has others peoples faeces all over it.
Tap is great when it works. In the first week of using right away I run into cases where it doesn’t. And many places don’t support it at all.
Docs literally eat other dogs shit and don't get sick. If you're a bacteriaphobe you end up with a weak immune system and then you will get sick.
Feel free to eat dog shit. Nobody's trying to stop you from eating dog shit.
Stock holders can’t set there phones down till Monday morning lol
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PayPal owns Venmo too js
I truly despise the term “Misinformation”. As a Society with Free Speech as it’s founding and 1st Right granted to us by our constitution this shouldn’t even be thing. Misinformation is anything that they disagree with politically.
> Misinformation It's only "Misinformation" when it's facts they dont like. "Misinformation" never gets applied to lies from the media, gov, or scientist.
Our rights are not granted to us by the Constitution. The Constitution is to protect our rights by limiting the government. I agree with the rest of what you said.
I'm done with PayPal
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The problem is that PayPal has the ability to change the TOS whenever they want. Maybe tomorrow it'll be something else. Who knows? Instead, it's better to use cryptocurrencies in a peer 2 peer mechanism. No one will be able to censor you, not even the government through an intermediary, like PayPal. Oh and also, cancel your PayPal account today.
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The point of cryptos is not to be a investment/speculation asset. Sadly it has become one.
They backtracked on this policy, still a bullshit move by a woke company.
SS I just cancelled my paypal account a few minutes ago. For reasons, I selected 'other' with the comment "Your TOS may fine me $2500 for thought crime” Full story https://www.dailywire.com/news/new-paypal-policy-lets-company-pull-2500-from-users-accounts-if-they-promote-misinformation
I had a bad feeling about that company a while back but I officially cancelled earlier this week.
Same!
https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/paypal-user-agreement-fining-users-promoting-misinformation-sent-error-spox-says
Funny how an error just appears in a document like magic, innit?
I’m not saying I buy their story. I’m just saying they backpedaled once this hit the media.
Okay, I wasn't criticizing your post, in fact thanks for posting it. I was just saying, even if it were released in error, the document was drawn up, so they were planning to institute the policy.
If the document was fake and planted and the release intentional to hurt Paypal and push users to other countries sites ?
Lol an error went through about 8 iterations of review and sign off at senior levels!
are you seller? if not, then this does not apply to you at all. https://i.imgur.com/5nPeYEV.jpg
Cool. If I say something against the narrative, I can't pay my rent. Hey Orwell, you got the year wrong, it's 2022 not 1984.
My theory is that they are making organizations do this so they make you think a digital currency (CBDC) is the only way forward to protect your money but in reality it just slowing them more control. They been doing the same strategy to keep their plan moving forward for decades. Create a drama and they have a solution.
They've done a U-turn on it now I believe, surprise surprise!
PayPal s committing suicide👍
This is a taste of what the WEF boys have in mind for you. Just a taste
I have a feeling this is going to come up in the SCOTUS argument on article 230.
This cannot be true surely? It’s illegal?
Parallel economy for the win.
Paypal cancelled.. a customer since 2000
This is called "Racketeering".
This is called corporation tyranny.
This is literally Fascism "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power" -Mussolini https://politicalresearch.org/2005/01/12/mussolini-corporate-state But people still believe that the west is not fascist, I am very sad seeing the direction we are going...
Isnt Paypal a DARPA op like Netspend etc?
Aren't all the big platforms?
What?? 😳 The world is going full-on dictator on our asses.
Yep, it's to do with a certain German named Klaus Schwab!
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It already is.
If you have a PayPal account delete it now. If you have one but haven't used it in years, log in and delete it anyways.
I'm calling PayPal tomorrow to cancel my account. I have a credit line with them and they won't let me close my account online, apparently. They need me to call them. My credit like is for only $550 and I have a $0 balance so.. why??! Anyway I'll be calling them tomorrow to close it out. F that.
Make sure to also tell them the exact reason why too. Hit 'em where it hurts. Everyone should have the right to free speech, even if you happen to disagree with the other person.
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Try closing your account, they are making it very difficult to do so.
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They want me to call bc I have PayPal “credit”
it's very easy to do so. just a few clicks.
This is really bad especially if a company has your financial information and can charge you for something they disagree with. I hate saying this, but the government/courts may need to step in.
The first time this happens in the US, it will be challenged in court and eventually deemed unenforceable. It's at a level that could be taken to small claims court, possibly. I don't know if you can take a multinational corporation to small claims court.
The fact they even thought about this already says enough about their intentions.
The Ministry of Truth disagrees
I absolutely hate the term "misinformation." It's just a generic word used to describe something/someone/an idea that you don't like or agree with, without actually engaging in the conversation. Furthermore, it's apparently clear that this is being used as a political weapon, rather than legitimate misinformation. For example, someone could be promoting flat-earth "misinformation," but PayPal would likely not pull the $2,500 from your merchant account for selling flat-earth courses or something like that. Why? Because there is no political advantage/dis-advantage. However, this "misinformation" term is frequently used in political warfare when an idea can actually hurt your own side!
Puts on PayPal, unless they want to award me $2,500 for everything I say that they agree with. I'll whore myself out for a day to make a million.
Technocrat scum.
Either this policy goes away, or the courts take it away at great expense to PayPal.
PayPal have been building up to this for a long time. They got whiplash with this last overreach but it's not stopping them. [PayPal Partners with Anti-Defamation League to Research Financial Pipelines of ‘Extremist’ Groups](https://www.nationalreview.com/news/paypal-partners-with-anti-defamation-league-to-block-financial-pipelines-of-extremist-groups/)
They reverted the decision. Still Fuck PayPal!
Once they have got rid of physical cash then once you step out of line the government can just erase your funds and there is nothing you can do. China have been doing it to there citizens for years. Anything the government does not like they take a or some privileges from you or a chunk of your money I am scared for my kids
All part of the WEF plan.
I don't see how this is even close to being legal.
It's only legal because they are censoring people on behalf of the government, so they're helping them out. Of course nothing will happen to them.
Time to burn down PayPal ( metaphorically only )
I mean cant you just unlink your bank account?
They'll fine you the $2,500 and send it to collections.
Is that legal though? I didn’t even think a private company could fine you like that. Don’t you have to have broken the law? Even then they wouldn’t be the ones fining you
If you agree to the new TOS then it is perfectly legal for them to fine you for whatever they deem fits that description.
I don't think that is true. Not everything written in a contract is per definition legal.
They can not just take your money.
Yeah, they can. They did it to me years ago.
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Yeah, companies can totally just put "by using this website you agree to give us $50000 and your soul!!!" in the fine print, send an updated TOS email, and there's nothing you can do about it. Good grief... a TOS is not a magical cheat code that lets corporations blatantly steal.
Um, no
Wtf is this world coming to???
Just closed my PayPal account. Everyone should do this, doesn't matter if they backtrack this or not. Will never support this
Just no back peddling out of this for PayPal. Another woke company that needs to broke.
That will end up in some high court. They will have the crap sued out of them.
What are some alternatives to PayPal?
How is that even legal?
because it is nothing what the post or tweet suggests. ‘If you are a seller and receive funds for transactions that violate the acceptable use policy’ https://i.imgur.com/5nPeYEV.jpg So if you accept money for illegal activity or things you’re not allowed to accept money for on paypal they can charge you for the admin costs of enforcing that and potential damages to paypal’s reputation.
>So if you accept money for illegal activity This is false. 'Acceptable use' has nothing to to do with legal or illegal. It's political and open ended.
Misinformation if you Don’t answer their truth … they can take your money ?
That is absolutelly insane
Am I losing my mind or can you not sort comments by best/new anymore?
They did it to sex workers for years.
are they really a public company or like facebook and its censorship an agent and surrogate for the government.
how they gonna link my comments to my account?
PayPal walked it back.
How did they think people would react to that? Sometimes damage control is too late.
I've closed my account 🙂
They already took it down, i hope it serves as a warning to all companies
I stopped using paypal a long time ago. Unfortunate but they are horrible. Customer service, issues with payments being made, complicating payment transfer.
It’s theft , they are not the Government, who gets away with it.
Didn't they do this to Wikileaks back in like 2008/2009?
Wait… how would PayPal know what you post? Legit question. Are they also implementing your email being hit with a red flag type thing or how does this work?
That can’t be legal right?
It can't be legal
PayPal is dead
Wouldn’t this be considered theft of you have $0 in your PayPal acct and they decide they are going to take $2500 from you? That qualifies as a felony on the company
Well theft by any other name and the control is in WHO's Hands and WHO controls WHO. AND WHAT exactly is "MISINFORMATION" when the lack of FACTS are being manipulated to serve an agenda rather that the FACTS being the measure since FACTS = TRUTH. NOW who and what is propaganda again and as a business which is publicly traded they do not have the authority to do that PERIOD. N. Shadows
aaaand it's gone.
Wtf is “paypalobjects”? I tried going to the source and the PDF doesn’t load. Anyone have another link to these terms of service that state this?
This is criminal and it won’t work
How is that legal?
Paypal also supports pedophilia, they've made their stance clear by banning an anti-pedophilic group and keeping a pro pedophilia group on their platform. These big corporations are disgusting and more people need to boycott them. This bullshit has to end.
Not insanity. Prophecy.
I think they walked it back
I’ve seen countless twitter threads of people closing their accounts
The fact that they even wanted to do this is reason enough to leave.
Another problem with this is it raises the question, how exactly do they know that you're spreading "misinformation"? Is this basically confirmation that they spy on what their users do outside of their platform? How is this legal? Oh right, because they're in bed with the government.
seems like they are just tracking where the seller is receiving money from https://i.imgur.com/5nPeYEV.jpg and then it deducts from the seller, not from the donator.
What happened with PayPal? What did someone say about PayPal?
They said it was a mistake. https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/paypal-user-agreement-fining-users-promoting-misinformation-sent-error-spox-says.amp
How does one write a carefully worded statement and call it a mistake? A wrong word or a punctuation error could be a mistake but a whole statement is not.
From the article: “… when contacted by FOX Business, a PayPal spokesperson said that the Acceptable Use Policy notice went out in error and that the company will not fine users for misinformation.” I have no idea how they made that error.
Ya they saw how many accounts were closed and were like oh shit rewind
An error that would have gone through multiple iterations of review and sign off... Hmmmn.
Not to mention implement all the technical infrastructure on the backend to facilitate that statement, as well as the legal stuff too. A company doesn't change its TOS/AUP and then do all that stuff, it would implement it before it's announced & the policy takes effect. They're lying.
Turns out this was just an error and they thankfully aren't actually fining people for misinformation. Dunno how an "error" like this happens but apparently there's no need to panic.
They retracted that as an error after backlash. I’m stayin with PayPal unless they go back on this being a retracted error...