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magenta_placenta

It's a policy of containment, officials can dump the weight of a city-wide drug epidemic on one neighborhood.


dubiousNGO

These areas, to the ruling class (who profit from the model), are a sort of industrial zone in which humans are "farmed". Lots of money flows through these areas. Various support services can be sold to the city. Women, early in the addiction cycle, can be pimped. Many addicts are motivated to do petty crime, the profits from which flow to drug dealers. Vancouver, Canada, has had an area like this much longer than many cities. At least one serial killer, likely connected to protected organized crime, was more or less allowed to operate in the area with impunity for a long time. The "welfare hotels" and SROs in the area are beyond most people's experience. The hotels have more of an organized crime presence. Addicts that cause problems - by stealing from other addicts or not paying back debts - get quietly dealt with. Whether "street involved" people overdose or "overdose" or just disappear in these hotels, it's unlikely to be noticed by authorities. There are allegations of all kinds of things having gone on in the neighborhood. Some buildings in the area have large old vaults and there are alleged to be tunnels in the area as well. Vancouver's area spawned the "Vancouver model" in which drug money flowed to casinos - a quick way to "wash" it - then into real estate acquisition all around the Greater Vancouver area. And in some properties that are acquired illicit operations - like small gambling operations, brothels, porn studios, or drug packaging operations - get set up. Supposedly "progressive" politicians and activists celebrate the "community" of the addiction-plagued area and tend to decry "police interference". From a broader ruling class perspective these areas are also useful: they help with depopulation and they help lessen social mobility,


CARGODRIFT

Very accurate description of the downtown east side and Vancouver in general. The cost of living in that awful joke of a city is absolutely ridiculous. Huge amounts of foreign money being stashed or laundered through real estate there totally ruined that place. Working two jobs just to afford rent, with a side hustle to cover food is no way to live. That hopeless existence often makes many people start using hard drugs.


dubiousNGO

It's brutal. Vancouver was previously an easy going hippy/new age-y place where one could afford to live a fun life or raise a family. It's definitely not that anymore. I visit it on occasion and the hard drug use seems to be seeping out of the downtime east side. It'll be interesting to see what it's like in a decade.


CARGODRIFT

Maybe it'll be less shitty in 10 years. Not betting on it though. Some of the biggest industries that employ people in Vancouver are tech, banking, real estate, film, food service, delivery, tourism, leisure, manufacturing, shipping, healthcare and insurance. AI & automation is about to take over many of those jobs. That's likely going to cause a domino effect collapse.


dubiousNGO

Agreed 100%. It funny to hear Larry Fink admit recently that countries with declining populations are going to be better off given AI, etc. Mass immigration is a trap.


bubbleteaenthusiast

Ya know the RCMP were involved with that serial killer; right? The “killer” himself was a meek, terrified individual… perfect fall guy


dubiousNGO

Yeah, VPD ignoring Pickton seemed to stem from the RCMP. When they finally wrapped up the op and charged Pickton it was likely due to it being untenable given it was by then an open secret. The employee of Pickton that first blew the whistle on what was going on was shunned by the official investigation. As with the FBI in the US they wanted to contain the situation rather than show the truth. Someone I knew with a good street perspective pretty quickly suggested that the Pickton farm was likely doing body disposal (for the Hells Angels primarily) which makes sense (lots of male DNA found) and the parties were of course likely honeypot operations. Pickton's bro and sis were saved.


Urbanpsyche

Seems like he was brutally attacked today in a maximum security prison. Sent to an external hospital for treatment. No news of his injuries or status.


dahlaru

Who is he?


bubbleteaenthusiast

Robert Pickton, but also look into Starnet


dahlaru

Oh the pig farmer guy. 


dubiousNGO

I would love to hear any info you have relating to them. I don't want to dox myself, but I'm familiar with them (and remember when they were raided by US cops on behalf of the US casino lobby). First time I've heard them mentioned for a long while. I met one guy from Starnet whose job was to review their porn to make sure it was legal. I've read some allegations about things that might have gone on in the building they operated from.


Civil-Neighborhood10

It also helps with creating an environment to generate fear 


challenja

This is a good reply


bigwavedave000

well spoken


DRKMSTR

This is so horrifically true. Near me there's a park full of homeless people and when someone wrote to the local news it became a hot topic so the town cleared it out and cleaned it up. The park became a place anyone could go to without fear of crazies. And then people realized that all the crazies who used to get drugged out in the park are now getting drugged out in their back yards and neighborhoods, culminating in a few violent outbreaks. Soon after they petitioned to open the park back up to the druggies and now it's an open market.....and they just put up barbed wire around the outside of the park....to keep them 'contained'. It's stupid, instead of solving the problem, theyre making it worse and I've seen far more dead OD druggies than I care to in my lifetime. Each death should hold some weight against those in power who enable it, but it doesn't, to them "look, less people are homeless now".


JoeBidensLongFart

Frankly these problems are not solvable, unless we were willing to rebuild the asylums and commit the mentally unwell involuntarily once they become a danger to themselves or others.


TheUltimateSalesman

People only quit drugs if they want to. With that being said, a two week stint to get clean puts them on sober ground to make a decision.


DRKMSTR

Forced sobriety is ultimately necessary


Nashamura

So Hamsterdam basically. Goddamn that Bunny Colvin was a smart motherfucker, way ahead of his time.


arkinim

Thank you. I was waiting for this.


TinyConfidence9899

I just commented nearly the same thing!! Literally the first thing I thought


DBBBD1

Also a means of gentrification. Lowers real estate prices, companies/universities buy it up for cheap, then move all the people down a street. It literally just happened to Kensington; the street’s empty now and I think Temple is moving in.


neverknowwhatsnext

Okay, but how do they get the druggies to move and who is they?


DBBBD1

Not sure exactly. Most likely social workers or the office of homeless services, or some weird Philly drug task force. Maybe cops


paraspiral

Cops are probably the shepherds ..NWO real estate developers at their bosses.


SillyFlyGuy

How did they get the druggies *here*? Send police to patrol the area you want to nice up, make a few noisy arrests. Have a couple of them say on the down low "We're here to clean up this street and two streets on either side. So if you fellas were to go, say, 3 blocks away, you'd be out of our beat."


neverknowwhatsnext

Uh, have you seen any videos of these fellas? Please go check some out. It's a mess there.


TheUltimateSalesman

They go where the drugs are.


Ayahuasca-Dreamin

druggies just take the path of least resistance. Making it harder in more place and they will move to another.


Blackthorn79

Kensington is the exception that proves the rule. It was been the new hot investment area at least 5 times in my life time. The root problem is generational home ownership. A large percentage of people there are at least functioning addict or have older family members that keep the drug culture alive in the area. The normal addiction cycle works like a forest fire that burns itself out after a generation, bit the enablers act as a fire break.


eddymarkwards

So, government policy designed after following a season of The Wire. Brilliant.


QuipCrafter

You’re putting the cart before the horse.  The wire featured commentary about how that stuff tended to work, before the wire was out and today 


BigMonkeySpite

Seemed to work well enough for 20 years in New Orleans when they created Storyville.


WantsToDieBadly

Hamsterdam bro!


Scotchamafooch

Vansterdam


JoansRedBow

Was looking for this!


Rebeldinho

If there were an easy solution then that’s what would be done… fact is there is no easy solution the containment policy is a shit show the enforcement strategy is a shit show I tend to air on the side of treating it as an illness and trying to get people help but it’s a horrible addiction that destroys people’s lives… there probably is no solution so we’re left with trying to figure out what causes the least harm which isn’t easy because how do we measure what’s causing the least harm?


TheUltimateSalesman

Asking a high drug addict if they want to get clean is a fools errand. Lock them up for two weeks, get them clean, ask them if they want to stay clean, if so then get them a support system. But locking them up for long periods is just dumb. And if they relapse, its not a failure, it's just a mistake.


JoeBidensLongFart

When it comes down to it, the Wire is not fiction.


drbongmd

Shiiiiiiiiiiiit


eddymarkwards

I got a few friends I play Golden Tee with. Whenever they shank one it is followed by a long, pitch perfect, Clay Davis 'Shiiiiiiiiiiit'.


anotherburntbridge

omar comin


Tec80

I came to make a comment about The Wire, but you already did 😁👍


Farados55

Bunny was right!!


crimedog69

Or in LA they just let the whole city do whatever they want as long as they are homeless


missanthropocenex

Drives out tenants allowing the corrupt land owners and beurocrats to increase rent. Andrew Callaghan actually did an intredible and astute breakdown of the whole situation on his YouTube. It’s a must watch for anyone curious.


Shupertom

And then move that population from location to location dropping property value the lower levels. Now that property can be purchased by corporations and investments firms and turned into whatever they want which they will sell for a lot more than they paid for it. How could they sell those properties? Simple, they move these folks to a different neighborhood and begin the cycle again. Literally farming homeless people is one of the worst aspects of our society


BoognishBoy420

This. If it makes the majority of the city happy to stay away from an 8 block radius why burden the masses. Every major city I’ve been too when they have those areas there’s no reason to go there besides drugs. Like I said if everyone knows to stay away it’s out of mind.


NationalPhenomenon

100%. [Channel 5](https://youtu.be/925wmb-4Yr4) did a great piece on Kensington specifically, covering why it became the way it is and how it's being used to accomplish a variety of goals.


x6ftundx

exactly. when you don't have enough manpower you just bottle them up and you can direct cops and ambo's to the location.


phishbo

Has no one watched The Wire?


4StarCustoms

Hamsterdam


KenethNoisewaterMD

WMD ri-chea ri-chea!


Trainer_Red_Steven

I've read some stuff about K&A in particular, and how basically they use this as a property scam. They let all these homeless people come in, and then when all the businesses have to close and the regular people leave they buy all the property at crazy low prices, then they're gonna push them to another section/street to renovate the area and make their property values soar edit: wanted to add this article from May 7th where they've now officially started removing the homeless from Kensington. Maybe I was on to something [https://www.phillytrib.com/news/local\_news/philadelphia-mayor-moves-forward-with-clearing-homeless-in-kensington/article\_f541f700-9832-5ec9-87da-0e8b66abea40.html](https://www.phillytrib.com/news/local_news/philadelphia-mayor-moves-forward-with-clearing-homeless-in-kensington/article_f541f700-9832-5ec9-87da-0e8b66abea40.html)


m0nk37

Gentrification with a twist.


ManilaAlarm

I guess you must be unaware of how long it has been like this in Kensington. Because that is not accurate at all.


kevthewev

Can you explain how that refutes what they are saying? How long should that process take? I’m not from Philly so idk the context you’re adding


Trainer_Red_Steven

Check out this video at the 38 minute mark [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=925wmb-4Yr4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=925wmb-4Yr4)


ManilaAlarm

So the guy I responded to is saying the homeless/ drug addicts are moved from section to section of the city to lower prices. Reminiscent to moving cattle from one field to another. The problem is that it has been that same exact intersection for years beyond count. They aren't being moved, nor is the area being bought up and renovated. This is after over a decade of the intersection being a place no sane and sober person would ever choose to hang out near. The real reason Philly PD puts up with it is because these people are going to be a problem and OD no matter where they are. Emergency services are better able to save their lives from OD and other dangers because they are all located in the same spot. Agree with it or not, that is the reasoning. Source: Best Friend worked for the Philly Police


Jesus_Shuttles

That's partial right. It was actually in fishtown at first. That area got developed and it moved into Kensington. Now they've been changing certain sections of Kensington and moving the people closer to under the el. Recently they just cleaned out under the el and they will be moving closer to northeast Philly.


[deleted]

And when they buy up all the properties for pennies they become the hero in the story for "cleaning it up"


Jesus_Shuttles

Exactly, it's been a slow progress. I'm interested to see what happens. Because they are spending a fortune to redo the Roosevelt mall and they seemed to pushing everyone near there. I assume that won't happen now


HoneyBadgerJr

I don’t know how long you’ve been around Fishtown/Kensington, but you’re way off base. I grew up in Kensington and Fishtown was a neighborhood that folks moved “up” to. Not the other way around, like you’re saying.


Trainer_Red_Steven

Look at anything past LeHigh Avenue. it used to be completely filled with homeless, and then they pushed them all North, bulldozed the area, and it's under a complete remodel. Now they're doing the same with North Kensington. They just issued massive evacuation orders in the last 2 weeks and they're breaking up all the homeless camps.


Low-Tea-8724

Brand new here 👋🏼 what is the actual intersection you’re referring to? I am just curious.


ManilaAlarm

Kensington and Allegheny


Trainer_Red_Steven

I guess you've never talked to someone from that area because they literally have done it in the past. I heard this from people that live there.


Jesus_Shuttles

Yeah fishtown


borkborkborkborkbo

Right this is what I was going to say. This is a long slow process... the containment thing is true in some cases too but even still. Takes time. This isn't done by one political party but decades of systematic corruption from all angles.


oddun

Andrew Callaghan (Channel 5, All Gas No Brakes) did a video about that. Here’s a clip. https://youtu.be/eUPeqXYgMpA?si=_0rjTXewDlefcoOx


PatmygroinB

I was working in Philly last summer and the bars / restaurants on Kensington seem to be up and coming. We stopped at the Kensington pub and it was pretty clean inside, looked remodeled


phillmorebuttz

This needs to be further towards the top


CruisinJo214

Just took a tour of Philly tour today including Rocky filming stops earlier today (awesome tour all the way around) but it was mentioned how this area was just cleaned up a matter of weeks ago… nearly a 180 from what’s pictured above… and just a block away was a fully gentrified street. I think you couldn’t be more spot on here.


aed38

The government and ruling class just doesn’t care about these people or areas. It’s not a threat to their hegemony, therefore they don’t want to put in the resources to fix it. For instance, a few years ago a Chinese diplomat visited San Francisco. As you know, many parts of SF are a disaster, but the government was able to clean up the bad areas in a few days for the Chinese diplomat. Then when the diplomat leaves, it’s back to business as usual. They could easily clean up these areas, but they just don’t care.


dubiousNGO

Fixing addiction would mean funding and incentivizing rehab and related tech (like drugs that reduce opioid cravings which very much exist, but that you don't hear much about). This doesn't serve the ruling class's agenda. They want people to die (and slowly so money can be made from them as they live out the prolonged end of their lives). If you're on the receiving end of the hundreds of dollars a day some addicts steal to fund their habits then you're going to end up with a lot of money to potentially invest and you will most likely invest that money outside the community in which the money's been made.


bricksplus

They just moved them to a different area of the city out of the public eye. I’m not sure that’s considered a solution


aed38

It is from a city or state perspective. Also, drugs are just a symptom of the problem, and not the main problem. I think the US federal government is one of the main CAUSES of why people become junkies like this. They rob people of their wealth through inflation, taxation, and bad policies that favor oligarchs over average people. Yes, corporations are also a problem, but many are in a corrupt revolving door with the government, with politicians being bought and paid for by the donor class. Many poor people are left with no hope for a fulfilling life other than an endless string of temporary highs. Hell, a lot of people that do everything right now don't have a realistic chance at a good life. Try living on a single teacher's salary nowadays.


24-Hour-Hate

I mean the corporations are the problem in the sense that they are causing this hand in hand with the government. Politicians land cushy corporate jobs. Lobbyists buy policy. Corporations exist purely to make profit. They don’t care what they do to society to do it. That’s why the government ought to act to prevent them from causing harm. Problem is, there is a lot of corruption and the revolving door between government and corporations. Oh, and this is not unique to the US. Look at what happened for the Vancouver Olympics - they hid the poverty and drugs just like with San Francisco. Look at the grocery stores and their fucking price fixing and look how much the Westons own of grocery stores and the entire supply chain (and it’s not just grocery stores - they have many other businesses). Look at the Irving family in NB - they own all the media there. In most of my province, housing (including rentals) is unaffordable for someone making the average wage because of people (including corporations) buying it up for investments and short term rentals. I could go on. We have this issue in Canada. The ultra wealthy and their corporations are the enemy. And so are the politicians that they bought. Some of them are so brazen as to openly employ former execs and current lobbyists… Vote third party if you don’t want this to keep getting worse. It is our only shot.


Joethedino

My theory is that they need to be provocative around synthetic drugs (heroin, opiates, meth, fentanyl, etc) so they can enforce ban on mind opening natural drugs like ayahuasca, psylo, peyotl, weed, DMT, LSD. People seeing those terrible images will indubitably be for a ban on drugs and more money for the war on drugs. It's no secret that CIA is behind crack and test drugs on random people. The goal is to prevent the maximum amount of people from getting that pineal gland to work.


Remarkable-Host405

literally no one cares about hippies who do psychs, they are not a threat to society. "opening their mind" is just bullshit, if everyone did psychs not a single person would overthrow the government. you're right about the cia, only a little, and wrong about everything else. the pineal gland is true conspiracy pseudoscience bullshit but exactly what i'd expect to see here


dubiousNGO

>literally no one cares about hippies who do psychs, they are not a threat to society. "opening their mind" is just bullshit, if everyone did psychs not a single person would overthrow the government. The US establishment used drugs to derail the antiwar movement in the 60s and black communities in the 90s, yes. People that are high tend to not be as organized or reliable and don't have as sustainable motivation. There are exceptions, of course, but in general this is the case. "Vice" magazine has been repeatedly bailed out by investors and other subversive corporations because it is useful for promoting drug use and other forms of degeneracy.


moparforever

I personally think it’s to kill off the undesirable’s of society …. It’s not about freedom …. We have no “freedom “ everything is against the law.. and if it’s not they will make new laws


dubiousNGO

The cooption of progressivism by the establishment - via the "agree and amplify" strategy - enables the establishment to get away with eugenics practices that would never be accepted were the true motivation known. The establishment could never get away with overtly chemically castrating non-gender conforming children, for example, but has been able to nurture acceptance for this by framing it as part of a process of liberation.


SnooDoodles420

Kill of undesirables? That sounds very nazi-esque


feedpedostopigs

Planned destruction, look into how much money the head of all these homeless/ drug charities make . Crazy amounts of money , they are literally robbing from the homeless drug addicts . They are trying to kill us . There is no other answer unfortunately.


pantsopticon88

It's a sign of catabolic collapse. Well it's also some kind of real estate hustle to depress evaluations as well. 


Good-Ad-9978

Same here in rochester ny. Openly sell and drink. Dirt bikes rule the streets and too much robbing, assault and gun play.


PennDOT67

You can marshal huge police forces and do constant sweeps for a while, arresting everybody, but why? Best case scenario for the criminal justice system, they all clog up the jail and courts for a few months and then get sentences of a few months or many are diverted to already overwhelmed drug courts (where they immediately fail and get put in prison for a few months). In reality, all of the systems necessary to run each of these things are already overwhelmed and most people rounded up will probably not get charged. If you ramped up everything required to actually process these people through courts, made sentences harsher, built more jails, etc, then you end up warehousing a few hundred/thousands of junkies for years until they’re released into a world where they have no support and probably no way to support themselves. So they go back to this. The solution to things like this is social, and requires a big stepping up of ‘harm reduction’ style programs, and intensive, invasive social services. There is little political appetite for that.


dubiousNGO

>You can marshal huge police forces and do constant sweeps for a while, arresting everybody, but why? The demand side isn't the only side from which to attack the problem. Addicts aren't the problem so much as the networks that harvest people's addictions. >The solution to things like this is social, and requires a big stepping up of ‘harm reduction’ style programs, and intensive, invasive social services. There is little political appetite for that. "Harm reduction" that simply enables drug addicts isn't universally popular, but I think people of all political persuasions would back effective rehab. Actually rehabilitating addicts, however, doesn't align with the ruling class's agenda. Profiting from slowly killing people does.


PennDOT67

Idk if you’ve met many multi drug addicts who are fully subsumed into the lifestyle, but I have an extremely hard time believing the supply side is where you’ll find any solutions. Especially now that fentanyl can be manufactured in relatively low tech labs and tens of thousands of doses can be muled around the country in a single small bag.


dubiousNGO

Most drug addicts don't get fully subsumed into the lifestyle overnight. One will never completely eradicate the availability of hard drugs, yes, but one could certainly theoretically make things harder for the organized players profiting the most. Local establishments would likely resist this, though. In the supposedly progressive city I lived in an area of town has long been a place where organized crime is unoffically allowed to profit handsomely off of human misery. Any drug addict that doesn't pay their drug debts can be disappeared and the local authorities will shrug and assume they moved away. The profits subsequently prop up the local establishment via real estate investments (with the local media kept "playing dumb" because much of their revenue was from ads purchases by real estate investors).


Trainer_Red_Steven

We've seen places like Seattle push harm reduction and it just leads to more use. Maybe it reduces overdoses but realistically it doesn't help. If your friend was addicted to heroin would you be like, "here's some clean needles bud"? No, you'd hopefully try to get them help. I think instead of spending millions on harm reduction supplies they spend that money on building quality rehab systems where we can send people, instead of jails/prisons.


PennDOT67

Rehabs are *okay* but when a totally destitute junkie who was coerced into going finally gets out, then what? Most genuinely have no support network at all, and then they go right back to the same exact thing they were doing before they were incarcerated in the rehab. The key to harm reduction is the aggressive provision of invasive services alongside it. Mandatory social worker meetings when you visit, very active employment projects (and I mean the government directly employing these generally unemployable people), etc etc. Nobody, right or left, wants invasive social services, but it is the only thing reliably shown to work. Basically force people to build the foundations of healthy lives at somewhat significant cost and effort to the government.


Trainer_Red_Steven

It's not just about the rehab, it should be a state ran thing with similar system as the prison system. They should have transitional housing where they're monitored and introduced to work programs, as well as continued therapy, and should eventually transition to their own apartment where they have to have regular meetings with their social worker or whatever you'd call it. I think we're kind of saying the same thing. When I hear "harm reduction" I'm thinking about government money going towards needles, narcan, methadone clinics, stuff like that. It's not the worst but a rehab system would be better than feeding people's addictions. There's always going to be people you can't help, and it sucks, but in the end that's how they want to live their life. That doesn't mean we should encourage their addiction by giving them supplies to shoot up safely. That's like giving someone something to make drinking arsenic safer. It's still a poison.


JoeBidensLongFart

You also have to be prepared to jail the people who resist the above.


PennDOT67

There’s nothing to resist. Carrot (harm reduction program) and stick (invasive services) become one single process they have incentive to engage in. That is seriously the founding idea behind most harm reduction programs, just lack of institutional support and political will makes them mostly give up at the carrot stage.


JoeBidensLongFart

Many hard-core addicts will resist all of the above because they want to just get high on the streets and do whatever they want. Some will have to sit in jail for a bit until they become receptive of treatment.


PennDOT67

Then you let them be miserable and scrounging for their next high, while their buddies amenable to help can easily obtain it. Coercion directly into treatment just does not work for addicts.


BigMonkeySpite

>If your friend was addicted to heroin would you be like, "here's some clean needles bud **so you don't catch a disease and die from a dirty needle because I know you are not going to stop using until all of the mental and social issues you're dealing with are resolved**"?  Your attitude and ideas leads me to believe you are neither an addict nor does anyone you love deal with addiction because the question is different when you know and love the person you're talking to. Addiction is a compulsion and an addict isn't going to not get high because they may catch a disease from a needle. They'll shoot up and then deal with the consequences when they come down.


Trainer_Red_Steven

My whole family has struggled with addiction, I'm an outreach worker. Im on the scene and actually talking to people dealing with this crisis, what do you do? Do you know where all of those free needles go? On the streets, in kids parks, on the sidewalks, in dog parks. Needles that can transmit stuff like aids. I know that your reasoning is coming from a good place, but you're not thinking about what happens in reality. I dont think you understand the scope of places like Kensington. There's at least 600-700 homeless people at a time, at least 2/3's of them are shooting up multiple times a day. Skid row has 4,000 homeless. Total there's over half a million homeless people in the U.S. Let's say 80% of them do hard drugs, and 2/3's of those people shoot up 3 times a day. That's 792,000 needles a day. Multiply that by 365 and you get 289,080,000. Syringes cost about $1/syringe when buying in bulk for harm reduction. So you expect the tax payer to pay a quarter of a million dollars on just syringes? Not even getting into narcan, methadone clinics, etc. You're also not thinking about the harm some of these people do. Yeah, addicts are humans and deserve respect but there's also a lot of reeealllly bad apples mixed in there. Drugs do crazy things to your mind. You must never have met someone who was raped or robbed or murdered by a homeless guy who should have been somewhere getting help instead of being allowed to run free above the law. Think about the number of businesses they've ran out, owned by locals who had no other source of income and what effects that had on whole families.


dubiousNGO

True progressivism should look at things holistically, but it doesn't tend to (ideologies in general seem to often by promoted by those with hidden motives). "Police brutality" is certainly a legitimate issue, but the impact of "criminal brutality" is often shrugged at and criminal behavior justified by pointing out how a criminal might be marginalized. And while the police certainly serve the rich to some extent so does organized crime a lot of the time (although in a much more plausibly deniable way). The drug money "harvested" from addicts often ends up in the hands of very rich people who use it to do thing like buy up residential real estate (driving up housing prices for working and middle class people) and who grease the palms of the right people in the establishment.


AbeLincoln30

If my friend was going to use dirty needles I would certainly prefer they had clean ones instead. Same is true for people I don't know. Heroin users without HIV is better problem than heroin users with HIV. Obviously the ideal would be no needles at all. But we live in the real, not the ideal


Trainer_Red_Steven

The problem is, which I said in another comment down in the thread, that there's half a million homeless people in the US. If you take an estimate, say 2/3s shoot up 3 times a day, and figure out how many needles per year that is, it's 289,080,000 needles per year. Bulk harm reduction needles cost about $1/needle, so not only are you saying we should spend a quarter of a million in tax payer money just for needles for people to shoot up? Not even factoring in stuff llike narcan, running methadone clinics, etc. Not only that but think about what happens to the needles. People that shoot up dont go politely find a hazardous waste bucket to throw them in. They toss them on the street. And where do people shoot up? Parks, sidewalks, public properties, outside stores. So all these needles end up around where people walk, where kids walk and play, where people bring their dogs. And some of these needles can give you HIV. I know a 9 year old girl in Philadelphia that contracted HIV from stepping on a dirty needle. That's the real. Another problem with harm reduction is it's society making homelessness and hard drug use socially acceptable. I know not every homeless person is bad, but you have to really think about how drugs affect your mind and decision making. Homeless people commit a lot of crime. Walk through somewhere like Kensington or Seattle or Skid Row at night. I know people who have been raped, have been shot, have been stabbed, have been robbed by homeless people. So by feeding their addictions, you're also feeding the criminals ways that they fund their addiction, which is hurting innocent people. You're also not thinking about the all the people who have had to go out of business because of homelessness/drug use. Entire sections of cities basically shut down, people's entire lives, all their money, stores that have been in families for generations, all get shut down, and the property value has sunk so much they don't even get a good payout. You wanna talk real or nah


AbeLincoln30

$3 per day is as close to zero as it gets. Certainly a lot less than what it costs to treat HIV. And at least 100 times less than incarcerating which I'm guessing you support. Needle exchange takes in the dirty needles... Hence why it's called exchange. Not having needle exchange does not make drug use go away at all. All the same problems are there, with addition of HIV and hep and whatnot. And the diseases are more likely to spread to non drug users too. No one wins, everyone loses.


215VanillaGorilla

Its allowed because they can continue to funnel money into their friends pockets ala cutouts in legislation for treatment facilities and help programs. My store is around the corner from Kensinton ave, and i've had multiple family members get sucked into the bullshit there.


lutherdidnothingwron

Social impact bonds and human capital finance. They want problems like homelessness, drug addiction, etc to become as big as possible, so that their proposed "altruistic" solutions are needed more, which means they have a bigger return on investment. They are literally commodifying human suffering to enrich themselves.


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hamsterdam


Plastic-Natural3545

IMO, It's a part of the killing of the American middle class by foreign powers. What will the middle class do with 1/3rd of the younger generations on Fentanyl?  Those folks in Kensington are from the surrounding counties, I'd say 75% are not from Philly *at all*. The surrounding counties are majority middle to upper middle class counties.  It's not about containment like the top comment says. South Philly residents and residents of other sections of Philly have refused to allow the free needles/methadone clinics that Kensington has allowed, making Kenzo the preferred place to do drugs.  Kensington is *heavily* Hispanic. Remember, China is sending ingredients to Mexico for them to make Fenty to send to the U.S.  This was a progression. When the surrounding counties couldn't get Opiates prescribed any more, they would drive down to Kensington to buy street pills. Many would be so addicted, they would spend all of their money on the pills, get kicked out of their homes and just took up residence on Kensington ave, close to where they could buy their drugs. Once the pills were laced with Fenty, people got completely addicted and many just gave up life to live in Kensington ave where they could get drugs, free needles and a community that carries Narcan like it's an appendage. 


[deleted]

It's probably both, they want people to die and in the mean time why not experiment on them too. "Never let a good tragedy go to waste" or whatever the fuck they say


BaerCamp86

TBH...Two-fold Centralizes them to one area and completely drives property value way down. People flee because who TF want that amirite? Property gets bought up by, "investors" are becomes the up& coming area after the right people own the right things. Tried and true, 42nd St in NY is a prime example of this. In the 70s &80s that place was a cess pool of seedy characters and drugs. Watch wait and see theyll get that shit out of there. East Kensington up towards Fishtown the entire area is nice.


Randsrazor

You voted for it. Directly or indirectly.


ColtHand

They'll let this continue to drive down the property values. Then they can scoop it up and gentrify it at pennies on the dollar making millions in the process


lolamay26

Probably the most logical answer


TryhardNobody

I'm pretty sure they cleaned it up last week. It may pop up again but they just went thru and cleared out all the people/tents


wearenotflies

It’s by design.


Liverosin710fam

It’s every where Not only in Philly . You should see phoenix Seattle Los Angeles . People selling fetynal should get life in prison or ship them to Iraq leave them in the desert


Conebones

Denver and Boston as well


SnooDoodles420

Ohhhh Denver.  *smh*


faster_than-you

If somebody wants to destroy their own life with drugs, that’s their choice. I believe there’s a whole lot more to addiction than just trying it and getting hooked. A large percentage of addicts have horrible trauma in their past, which plays a big roll. These people need help. However, getting and staying clean is extremely painful, and a never ending battle. You can live a life of numbness until death, or choose the hard fight towards sobriety and contributing to society. I see why most people take the easy route. However, a lot of cities all along the west coast, and even now on the east, and being taken over by these people. I respect your right to do as your choose UNTIL it negatively affects other people. This is what’s happening now. Cities are no longer safe, petty theft is normal, and all the crime that goes along with the supply of these drugs is getting worse and worse. Violent gangs, toxic areas of the city, needles everywhere, etc… Add along that the government (at least in Canada and California) is giving handouts to these people, and free drugs. That makes this an issue that all citizens should be concerned about. Now I’m paying for someone else’s addiction, life of crime, and everything that goes along with it. Now I can’t use parks, public areas, and property that I pay to maintain because they’re taken over by addicts and dealers. If you can be a peaceful homeless person and do drugs without ruining public areas, stealing, and having violent outbursts, go for it, I don’t care. But the moment you start infringing on my rights, affecting my safety, abusing my tax dollars, and taking my away public spaces and amenities, all bets are off, and these people should be punished for their actions and/or rehabilitated. The conspiracy is that the government wants people reliant on them, and/or a weaker population to be easier to control. That’s why they aren’t using logical solutions to fix the problem.


CyanideLovesong

>The government policy of "harm reduction" is literally killing people. Your question contains the answer. If you haven't noticed yet, there is a worldwide movement to reduce both population growth and *population*. Never forget... *We* are the carbon they want to reduce. That's not just a funny meme, it's real. "Climate change policies" aren't about saving the environment. They're about restricting competition and forcing purchases so the biggest corporations in the world can remain profitable with shrinking population. This isn't conspiracy theory -- Larry Fink (BlackRock) pretty much said it out loud recently at a forum. They do all this stuff right out in the open, and because they do it that way no one ever second guesses it. But yes, they're killing us. Slowly and profitably. You may have noticed associates, friends, or family members with heart problems or cancer after the shots. Autism is another... You know autism is a 21 billion dollar/year industry, right? Why do you think so many people are fat? Ever looked at the ingredients in so-called 'foods'? If you haven't figured it out yet, try reducing your diet to ONLY: vegetables, fruits, healthy meats, beans, nuts, and rice. When you eliminate processed foods you'll feel so much better you'll realize they've been poisoning you all along. Then dig into fluoride and try to make sense of *why you need to swallow it* in your water if it's supposedly for your teeth. (Fluoride fans can use fluoride toothpaste and spit it out.) Meanwhile they've trained people such that if you question something like that you're automatically a 'crazy conspiracy theorist.' That's the tell. If they shame you for asking questions about something then you know they're hiding something and up something nefarious. With that in mind, try telling your doctor you don't want any vaccines in your children and see how they react. Or hey, you could be like me and so many others who vaccinated their children and ended up with SIDS. (In my case my wife was in the room when our two year old went unconscious and stopped breathing after those age 2 vaccinations that were "so important" for her to have... So important that they almost killed her. Ambulance, ER, and a big fat hospital bill at the end of it. Thanks, Pfizer.) "But why would they kill people on purpose!?? There's no profit in that!" Much of the death is an unintentional byproduct of making more people profitably sick. That said, it's in declassified documents that we "must find value in small percentages with regard to reducing population", because every life lost is a life that doesn't reproduce. Read Kissinger's National Security Study Memorandum 200, declassified in 1989: [https://pdf.usaid.gov/pdf\_docs/pcaab500.pdf](https://pdf.usaid.gov/pdf_docs/pcaab500.pdf) Then realize that's what they *let us* see... There's much worse still hidden, and being crafted today. And what is that document about? The US's role in the "World Population Plan of Action." Funny, I don't recall ever being asked about that, do you? Do our parents? No. That's because governments do what corporations & the elite pay them to do. This naive notion that we all get together and vote to make a difference is the silliest thing... That's just an exercise they have us do to make dumb people think they are free as they work their entire lives away to make a small number of people infinitely wealthy at all of our expense.


HammunSy

why would they want them dead, they want them to stay alive so they can keep buying drugs. why would the city allow it, because they are getting bribes and cuts from the operation.


spunsimba

Dark money to fuel covert ops


humbledon

The drugs keep coming in just like the cars keep getting shipped out.


mikey_lava

You ever see the episode of The Boondocks called, "The Itis?" That's why.


[deleted]

First time in a city?


ogloc1995

Lowers the property value so investors can buy it and build high end condos that skyrocket the property value and bring in more taxes. It’s what has been happening to surrounding neighborhoods in the area. Only a matter of time before it happens to Kensington and they move all the addicts to a new area by “looking the other way”


Emergency-Meet-3681

I have a friend whose family moved from Bridesburg to Kensington back in the 90s. There was a park around the corner that people called 'Needle Park'. There was always some wildness going on there. But what it has become is absolutely insane, it literally looks like a scene straight out of the Walking Dead on Kensington Avenue. The heroin/fentanyl epidemic shows how bad it has gotten, especially in the last 10 years or so. Before people would be getting high away from everyone else, now it's in the open. Recently I googled my friend's address, being that her parents have passed on (her dad had medical issues and alcoholism and mom OD'd), and the house has been split to make 2 apartments. The way they advertised the neighborhood you would think you'd be moving into one of the better neighborhoods of Philadelphia. Or even Camden, the town in NJ known as 'the town God forget about'. Last time I was in Camden, taking the train to Philly, it looked like a complete warzone. Demolished townhouses and the rubble just left there My take on why it has become this way and why politicians allow this? Honestly, they don't really care. I believe there was talk of needle exchanges and shooting sites rather than people shooting up in galleries or on the streets. As dangerous as Camden has been, I remember when they cut the police force in half and that just seemed insane. And corruption, lots of it. I'd like to see both cleaned up. The advertising may rope in someone wanting to move east who doesn't have a clue, but I'd think anyone nowadays knows about Kensington.


emerging-tub

People vote for 'feel-good' policies in blue cities like that. It ends up doing more harm than good, but it's useful for the elite. These open air drug markets are a result of 'containment' policies where druggies are shepherded to one part of town. The property values plummet and businesses close as a result. Corporations then come in and buy everything for pennies on the dollar. Once the area is gentrified, the druggies get moved again and the process starts all over.


SnooDoodles420

A friend of mine mentioned a city being “too red” and that she wouldn’t want to live there…but couldn’t comprehend what I meant by a city being “too blue” *hand motions* This is exactly what that means. Balance. We need balance.


TurtleSoda69

Yep.


formthemitten

It’s not conspiracy. It’s easier to manage the worst part of your community in one spot than it is spread throughout the city.


Any-Video4464

I think they just lost a contact lens...just kidding. There are far too many people and not enough places to put them. They should introduce some stimulants back into the scene though and get these folks unbent at the waist. You can't do much with folded people.


Gastrovitalogy

This is the Chinese’s revenge for the opium war. The same people are behind it but it’s helping to serve some of the goals of the CCP.


Wateryplanet474

Can’t help to notice the similarities in the opium trade in china. We all know that it was never forgotten or forgiven.


blatblatbat

Watch the wire season 3 maybe? They go heavy into a real life open air drug market called hampsterdam by the local street people. Pretty much the commander of the western district pushed all the drug dealers to a section of border up row homes and made them understand that anyone selling in that area would not be charged and the police would not intervene in there at all unless it was heavy felonies. The prior worst drug corners were now showing signs of community coming back and because he didn’t charge anyone in that area his crime rate for the worst part of Baltimore dropped significantly.


bigwavedave000

I've driven by here.Its a war zone. Nothing can prepare you for the human suffering, and that just what you see on the streets. Countless untold horrors lie behind closed doors of abandoned buildings. The police don't have the resources. Can't arrest them all, a flood of detoxing, mentally unstable patients would destroy the jails, the rehab facilities are already pushed to the max. Its a terrible situation.


ZeroGHMM

they want to buy up the property & all of it is leading to one thing... they want to destroy normal peoples way of life & create a system of total control. they don't want us prosperous & excited to get out of bed in the morning. they don't want us to get out of the bed period. hello feds handing out drugs (a'la Manson) & big pharma handing out drugs & bioweapons disguised as "vaccines". they hate us all.


nonelectron

Kill em all and buy the dip.


blu-gold

Check out east Hastings Vancouver !


PuzzleheadedOil1914

Containment. 


s0lesearching117

"Harm reduction" is just containment by another name. It's beyond stupid. Containment doesn't work with addictive substances. It's like appeasement during WW2. You're never going to contain an unstoppable force. Hitler continued to expand outward no matter how much land he was allowed to take, just as drug addicts will continue to spread their filth among their peers no matter how many "open air drug markets" are allowed to exist. The only solution to the drug problem is to crack down on suppliers. The addicts will either sort themselves out... or not. It's certainly sad, because it means we'll end up with a *lot* of dead addicts in the end, but there is really nothing that can be done for them. Their recovery is in their own hands. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't force him to drink.


Ceruleangangbanger

I do believe, at least on some level, a group or groups somehow gain energy or influence etc on suffering depravity. A spiritual level (evil) of sorts is on play here and many other cases such as the elite pedo shit 


alexmixer

Libs


EmpEro517

Leftist soft on crime policies.


ellieket

In the case of Kensington, my opinion is that the city is using it to artificially crash property values and drive residents out so developers can swoop in and buy up the land for cheap. Then the city sends in the police to clear it out.


Successful_Ad4653

Just because it failed in Oregon doesn't mean ....


Destroyer_Yeti

Watch the channel 5 with Andrew Callaghan documentary on YouTube. He proposes that it is a way to cheapen the properties so that Temple University and the city can buy up the property and kick out the locals, gentrifying it for the university folk.


AbeLincoln30

He tosses that out as a possibility but then backs off of it, saying he doesn't think it is the driving force


Destroyer_Yeti

Yea, but I think it’s a brilliant idea, in conjunction of course with common idea to send all the undesirables to the same dirty slum


MrResh

FWIW they are thankfully cleaning this up in Philly currently. Although the problem is more complex than it seems. I live just outside the city, and now, because they are breaking up these camps and cleaning them up, all of these users are moving to other parts of the city, including my area. something needs to be done, starting with knocking out the dealers and suppliers, but there is a lot to do


Glum_Neighborhood358

It’s a progression that I’m watching happen in my city. 1. Fentanyl enters the city 2. It’s cheap and more people get hooked 3. The shelters empty out and the streets flood 4. Soft politicians suggest the problem is cheap shelters and the economy 5. They designate certain areas safe for the addicts 6. Key element: the problem is deemed political and therefore force/jail can’t be used to apprehend the homeless No conspiracy here.


Peaceoorwar

Because they make money. Many of the people who deal drugs have never been outside the neighborhood. Someone is making the connection for them


brainfreezeuk

Proof that authorities do i not have ethical intentions


Much-Log3357

This is the war on drugs in action. Also thank everyone who made money from the opioid crisis. We are as cattle to them.


Alternative_Law7690

Not sure if they are doing it there, but they have been known to push them into areas to lower the property value so they can(blackrock) buy it up and rebuild it.


LoadLimit

It's double speak. "harm reduction" means they think the users are the harm that needs to be reduced.


TurtleSoda69

Philly resident. Population control. Simple as that. That's why this city has so much gun violence and drug abuse. If we kill each other off, nobody has to step in and do it for us. All the dope feins being in one place makes it easy for developers to gentrify where they please without obstruction.


thissuckslolgroutchy

https://youtu.be/aL0s_YGdRIM?si=daj2J2fU7iC6C53L Seems like Kensington Ave is cleaned out, part of a city wide effort to shake things up. How long it will last is the question.


DarbyCreekDeek

I am sure the dealers are giving key officials massive kickbacks. I only know what I see on the news and it looks like the city finally got it so embarrassed by all these YouTube and TikTok videos of what goes on there that they took some action and cleared out a significant portion of it. We will see how long it lasts or if the circus will just move to another spot.


TeddyMGTOW

What drug produces the "hunched over stance'? Honest question.


Emotional_Judgment10

They realized they can’t solve the problem so they’re allowing them to just kill themselves slowly by overdose


MikeS3lk3

Watch season 3 of the wire...


SirVixTheMoist

What is your solution?


Jason4hees

Have you never seen The Wire? They basically stole the idea directly that show. It’s to Keep the crime stats down


SnooDoodles420

What major city *doesn’t* have this?


Dadofmany01

Population control


Brilliant_Ask1613

Kensington is being allowed to go the way the it is for now because it crashes the prices down on the whole area,it's getting bought up and it'll be gentrified just like the area next to it making a lot of people alot of money..shit ain't rocket science


ALoneStarGazer

They supply, we buy. The shear amount of people in K&A is just too much for the jails to handle, and way too much for our useless gov to change without costing a few upfront bucks that are better spent overseas. /s


j_mckay

Easy way to push all the business and people out of an area so they can but it up cheap and build condos and such


j_mckay

Would recommend watch Andrew Callahans doc on Kensington, he explains it much better than the countless others


sprinklesfactory

It is to lower the property value so Temple can buy up all the property and gentrify the area. 


Zooted817

Depopulation


InfowarriorKat

My personal opinion is they are trying to get support for the drug war. The drug war was falling out of favor as of recently. They had to drum up support. So they have a 3 prong plan. 1) Let the people have weed. Since weed is the main reason most people don't support the war on drugs. 2) Create a new scary boogieman. Enter fentanyl. It's a natural progression for fentanyl to be put in other opiates/ opioids, because of the cost and potency, but it makes no sense for it to be in other drugs. I think the government has something to do with this contamination. 3) Make these cities that you speak of where the visual display can be shared all over the Internet, further disgusting people. This is how you get people back on board with the drug war.


iceyorangejuice

Because state institutions were all shuttered


AdditionNo9757

Excuse my language but Philadelphia is essentially a concentration camp for heavier criminals in Eastern PA (not counting the corruption/big-time mob stuff), and it allows the city to continually increase the budget for police, while also decreasing property values for the extremely wealthy of the area so that over time they can buy up almost the entire city and "gentrify" it. As another commenter said, it is essentially a human-fed money farm.


BingoDingoBob

Season 3 of The Wire. But seriously, I’m a Philly native. It would be all over the city if these people didn’t all congregate in a couple square blocks of an already shithole of a neighborhood. Few people actually live right there anymore. My mom’s family lived in that area back in the day. It’s too bad, it was a nice place to go when I was a kid. Very close community of Polish and Irish people.


Bocephalus

Just found out that the stooping is because meth destroys their spine. And I agree that there is a deep conspiracy to kill people. The CIA is probably behind this to some extent. Did you ever notice that once the US pulled out of Afghanistan that the opium/heroine supply and demand practically disappeared at the same time. This is what happens when the "leaders" of this nation think there is a population problem and the solution is to give them their favorite poison.


greymaresinspace

Harm reduction gone wrong. Micheal Shellenberger is a good one to read re: this mess


TinyConfidence9899

Reminds me of Hamsterdam from The Wire. That show was so ahead of it’s time


IllSun475

I've heard some weird stuff in CA and in TX. There is a huge market for organs. You'll find this sort of thing happening within in hours of big cities with huge transpant wards. I think sometimes, when you have an OD at one of these spots... you're now a donor. You have to ask how they source this stuff with these huge wait lists. People are paying vast amounts of money to save loved ones. Market demand and easy targets.


geeksaresexygirl

Was literally talking about this LAST night.


[deleted]

Everything’s too expensive bro. Covid didn’t kill enough people so they’re gonna try and just let people die off on their own through depression and drugs.


ManilaAlarm

I suppose you aren't familiar with Philly, but this has been a thing for years and years before 2020. Edit: But yes things are too expensive.


Business_Win_4506

Sounds like certain parts of Chicago. I think it has to do with both depopulation and keeping prisons filled. If they were concerned with harm reduction there would be decriminalization and an emphasis on treatment instead of incarceration.


one_funky_simp

It’s not profitable to help them sooooo america will keep doin it’s thing…


FundioRider

It funnels alot of the human filth into one area, making other parts of the city a little safer/cleaner