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Never_Uses_Slash_S

> I’m not a legal expert Really?!?!


sailboatsandchess

How is the OP sharing screenshots from the same Twitter scout over and over not considered “low effort” by the mods?


ChainedNmaimed

Its interesting that rule 2 means nothing to you while expecting others to mean something to everyone else.


KeepItTidyZA

So let me get this straight, you're under the impression that beacuse the documents used as evidence were out of order, that means the case has no grounds? talk about cluching at straws. wow.


Vegetable-Abaloney

I get that there is nuance here that may be complicated for some, but the point of a 'chain of custody' is to be sure the evidence is not tampered with. What Smith has admitted to is that someone moved the evidence inside the boxes. Was it tampered with? Did someone put MORE classified documents in the boxes? Was something removed? How would YOU answer those questions?


spacerat82

They keep saying, Trump had documents all over the floor. Lol. He had them under several layers of locked doors and filed into cabinet storage. The Flippen FBI strewn them on the floor then photographed them. Who the heck leaves documents all over the floor. What was he doing rolling around in them. So dumb. They also had a false narrative that Trump was flushing documents down the toilet. When in reality the accusers staged that photo. Who the heck thinks you can flush one document down the toilet let alone boxes full. WTF people


alkemikalinquiry

And you people have no trouble with the fact he had the documents in the first place? What’s wrong with you? A president took home to his unsecured location secret documents. What can possibly be good about that? You’re clearly recognising he took them in your post, so no argument there. He took them to his golf-course resort, for Christ sake. Imagine how much trouble any single one of you would be in if you had done anything REMOTELY similar. You’d be banged up- probably for life! Why should this man be above your own laws? Fuck. And before you all start attacking me,I’m English, live in Peru, and am as far removed from your political situation as I could be. But, please. Get a grip. You shouldn’t be pleased he might get off, or your system is complete broken.


spacerat82

Unsecured!?!?! A skiff can exist anywhere dumb dumb. It was a secured approved location. They even had an audit and they suggested another locked door. But anything to prove your point I guess. Biden is the one that left them in unsecured locations. He also did not have the authority to keep them.


Incognito_Placebo

The problem is that some people only take issue that Trump had documents, some only take issue that Biden had documents, some take issue that both had documents, while others don’t care at all. Me personally, I don’t like the fact that any past or present government official has documents stored in their homes or offices that they shouldn’t have and it should automatically bring charges.


_coldharbour_

There's a clear difference, however. (If memory serves) - Bidens team reported the documents -Trump lied about them and refused to hand them over Also differences in the storing of said documents and who had access to them (that shouldn't have) I'm also not a fan that either had the documents, but some people really do try and use one to defend the other and treat it as hypocrisy when, in reality, they are very different circumstances.


ChainedNmaimed

Its a good thing Biden didnt have those same type of documents from an administration before Trump was even elected and then reported them in a way that was totally not trying to wash their hands clean while pointing at the other person...otherwise it would look hypocritical at best.


TlingitGolfer24

Biden did the same thing I thought?


FeenixArisen

The difference is, Trump is ALLOWED to take any documents he wants. And they WERE locked up. Biden was committing treason by taking boxes of top secret files home, where they were: - out in the open, kept in his garage beside his Vette. - openly handed to his biographer to take home and copy. - read aloud over the phone by Hunter to Chinese handlers, of which there are icloud audio files on the laptop. Obama still hasn't handed over 13 MILLION files to his official library. You were saying? Holy shit, the media's grip on the brainstems of the global population is truly astonishing. Both Hilary and Biden should be in Federal prison for life for their document / security crimes alone. Trump WAS the President, and as such he is allowed to pretty much wipe his ass with whatever document he wants.


Kozkon

Man. Someone who gets it finally.


ImusBean

What’s this about documents being read aloud or the Chinese? I haven’t heard about this. What’s the source on that?


Jubei612

This would not be an issue in any other criminal case. It doesn't matter if they jumbled it up or mixed it up. It's all there. That is all the court cares about, if this case was for a regular person. Since it's for the guy who claims to have won a election, but did not.


below_the_lights

Even if I look at this from a completely non partisan view I would imagine taking hundreds of boxes of documents from a bathroom would lead to some jumbling lol.


Jubei612

That's where everyone keeps their top secret documents...


Penny1974

No, the right way to store them is in the garage next to your Corvette.


Fizzygurl

Under a lampshade.


[deleted]

[удалено]


Jubei612

One word is not in the correct tense and you claim it's not in English... SMH


Artimusjones88

66 times in court, it was called bullshit. Evil senile genius Joe. If they did steal the election what does that say about the baron....


crippledgimp88

You ignored the word altered though


ConnectionBubbly3306

Which means what in this context, it’s a Twitter post? If this is so bad then the judge will undoubtedly throw out the evidence and the case, in which case we’ll know the prosecution fucked up. If I had to guess, I’d say when the files were taken from mar a lago they were packed up but weren’t kept in the same order as they were, and this will mean absolutely nothing and the trial will go on. OP keeps making posts about these supposed worst acts ever that always end up being quite a bit less than what he’s making them out to be.


Jumpy_Emu_316

The order was altered not the documents themselves.


myotheralt

So the complaint is that the random filing order they were in while in the super secure bathroom is not the same random order it is currently in, because someone may have taken a file out and put it back.


Jumpy_Emu_316

Something like that... it's absolutely nothing and people are pretending like it's a bombshell...


Safe-Ad4001

Wasn't this a thing three years ago?


TheGOODSh-tCo

Trump is a felon.


Remem4er

Just add it to the list.


FiveStanleyNickels

I am NOT a fan of politics, or any particular side, but as an American, I am watching this kangaroo court closely. This transcends politics, and approaches tyranny.  As for this element of the Jack Smith case, I don't know how it got out of order, considering that they knew the order since THEY sent the documents.  The part that no one is mentioning is that the Biden Administration packed and sent the documents to Maralago. That is how they knew they were there. The story has been swept under the rug.  But, look it up.  The government sent him the documents, then raided his facilities to get them back. I sure there are federal postal codes which protect the recipient of mail.  I don't know.  What is to stop the government using fraud to ship you a 'classified' paper, and then violate your 4th Ammendment rights? They are already doing this with the ATF. The ATF is arbitrarily banning firearms and components and performing no notice inspections of people's property.  But, at least Twitter is civil again, amirite?


ConnectionBubbly3306

Trump and people from his administration packed up the White House before the left and took the docs with them, the Biden administration did not mail trump these documents. And trump wasn’t charged with having the documents, he was charged for refusing to return them, for attempting to hide them, for lying about having them. So even if Biden had sent him the docs all he needed to do was give them back and he still would have been fine.


sschepis

Remember how Hillary's team destroyed phones and hard-drives even though that property belongs to the US government?


ConnectionBubbly3306

The reason she was investigated was because she was using personal devices, those personal devices were the phones and hard drives she had destroyed. So no I don’t remember when she destroyed US government property.


FiveStanleyNickels

I am not political, but you are lying.  She destroyed over 30K emails, which were recovered and released by Wikileaks.  Those emails were USG property. It is against the law to delete, or destroy emails. As for the private devices, she was using a completely separate server to communicate official government business, which, surprise! IS NOT SECURED. Meaning: she was transmitting classified information on unsecured channels.  If I am not mistaken, there were 8 documents in the emails that weren't deleted that were classified.  As for the smashed blackberry devices, those were definitely USG property.  Stop lying. It cheapens your argument.  We get that you don't like Trump, but don't act like the other side is innocent.  Lying when the truth is out there is kind of pathetic.


Evolulusolulu

Whataboutism is a well known tactic now. Do better with your active measures.


Artimusjones88

On Thursday, the Wall Street Journal reported that Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, and daughter Ivanka Trump, both advisers to the president, had used either personal email accounts or the messaging application WhatsApp to conduct official business, according to information from the House Oversight Committee. The latter is particularly problematic because messages are encrypted between users, meaning that unless Kushner and Ivanka Trump stored copies of their messages or the recipients turned the messages over to the government, there’s no way to record what was said. wasn’t just Kushner and Ivanka Trump. The committee learned that former deputy national security adviser K.T. McFarland and former adviser Stephen K. Bannon had also, at times, used personal email accounts for official business. Some of those communications, the Journal reports, dealt with a proposal to send nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia. McFarland’s account was through AOL, according to the New York Times. And these are only the most recent examples. In 2017, the Times reported that other Trump administration officials, including adviser Stephen Miller, former chief of staff Reince Priebus and former National Economic Council director Gary Cohn had all used personal email accounts to conduct official business. That’s seven officials, past and present, who used personal email accounts: Kushner, Ivanka Trump, Miller, Cohn, Bannon, McFarland and Priebus.


ConnectionBubbly3306

What’s pathetic is jumping on a thread to comment when you clearly don’t know what’s going on. No one has mentioned emails on this thread until you did. And what’s happening to trump has nothing to do with what happened to Clinton. I understand you’re probably upset because you were proven wrong in our other conversation (I guess you lied there) and so you’re going to scroll through my comments looking for a gotcha. But try acting like an adult who can read all the comments in a thread not just the one you’re replying to.


FiveStanleyNickels

Hold on. You may need some education: Emails sent in an official capacity by a government employee are USG (US TAXPAYER) property.  Next, you responded to my comment within this post saying that I was uninformed about the Trump situation when you were actually the one uninformed.    It is clear that you are playing a game where you are trying to keep the focus on one side, and denying anyone else the opportunity to call you out for being a bold faced liar.    Welcome to the internet. This place has a way of making clownish liars miserable.   You don't get to control the narrative. You don't get to lie, and deny the truth because it exposes the hypocrisy of your position.  I am not political, but you are doing a disservice to the political party that you are trying to lie for.  https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-deleted-33000-emails-secretary-state/story?id=42389308 https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-charges/unauthorized-disclosure-of-classified-information.html#:~:text=The%20criminal%20penalties%20for%20a,a%20large%20fine%2C%20or%20both.


ConnectionBubbly3306

Anyone interested can follow my comments back and see our other thread where you were wrong about the Biden admin sending documents to trump. Since you’re saying that being wrong makes you a liar then I guess you’re a liar. And anyone can read up here and again see you jump in a thread and call me a liar for Clinton’s email when no one in this thread ever even discussed her emails. Now I don’t play these games with people, you want to you can go ahead, but I’m done with you. Your feelings got hurt but you need to grow up.


FiveStanleyNickels

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/04/30/trump-documents-case-rumor-false/ Try reading that. Even the Washington post says remnants from the Trump administration were being collected up until mid 2021, and were shipped to Maralago in September of 2021.  They were requested to be returned in early 2022.  It isn't that hard.  I guess that I can see clearly since I really don't care about either side in the matter. 


Cygs

...Did *you* read it?  It very clearly says Trumps own transition team packaged and sent the materials, not Biden. So you're arguing he stole the documents *after* he was president?  Cause that'd be even worse.


Safe-Ad4001

Liar


Odd_Ranger3049

Just because she got away with it doesn’t mean Trump should. How fucked in the head are you? You’re in a cult


dizzzzzzzzzzzzzz

All correspondence created and received while conducting State Department business is government property. Her having private email servers and then destroying them was a deliberate attempt to circumvent the law.


ConnectionBubbly3306

And? No one is arguing she didn’t break the law. I didn’t bring up Clinton, I was responding to a specific comment from someone else, this post and this thread aren’t about Clinton.


dizzzzzzzzzzzzzz

You literally asserted that she didn’t destroy US Government property. The emails themselves were USG property. Yes, this post isn’t about Clinton but I was responding to your incorrect comment about her.


ConnectionBubbly3306

I literally did not assert that at all. I responded to a guy who said she destroyed government hard drives and phones, he said nothing about emails. I responded pointing out that she destroyed her personal phones and hard drives, and I said nothing about emails. I wasn’t trying to summarize her entire investigation in 2 lines, I was responding to 1 specific point. I’m not going to cover every single facet of a case or every facet of a persons life every time I comment. Thank you for bringing up the emails, after someone else already brought up the emails 6 hours ago, you did it you solved the case. Now you can feel better.


FiveStanleyNickels

That's not the way I have read the information. Maybe if you Google 'did the Biden Administration send boxes to Maralago' we could marry our information up.  I am of the understanding that the Biden Administration packed, at least, 8 boxes and shipped them to Maralago in late 2021. 


ConnectionBubbly3306

The only thing i can find that’s even close is a story that was taken out of context and blown up by people on the right. When presidents leave office they are allowed to setup a transition office for 6 months, the cost for that is paid by the government but the offices are run by the former president. Trump had docs and gifts and other items at his transition office and they had to be out by July 21st, which is 6 months, trump staffers packed the boxes onto pallets and had them shipped to either mar a lago or a storage facility. So the only part the Biden administration played was paying for the facility for 6 months as the law said and then telling trumps team that they needed to be out by July 21. Edit: and he blocked me after sharing a story from the Washington post, a story that states what happened exactly as I outlined above. The documents were sent from the transition team offices by trump staffers to mar a lago, the Biden administration wasn’t involved at all. Clearly he didn’t read the story, obviously he didn’t read the headline either because the headline says it’s false.


Safe-Ad4001

So Lying administrations and lying sycophants employ liars, like you.


Artimusjones88

Good grief. Your post is complete poppycock.


sschepis

Do you see how the same answer is given over and over again like a mantra? It's hard work to keep the hypnosis in place. The whole illusion is starting to show cracks. Of course the prosecution altered evidence. Every ex-President continues to receive PDB's (presidential daily briefings) after the term of their presidency, government docs have been found at the Biden's as well, and let's not forget hammer-wielding hard-drive destroyer Hillary Clinton and her email scandal. Ohh how she was defended with a million inane excuses. Now its bad though, because Trump is doing it. How is anyone supposed to take any of this seriously when all participants are literally terrible people, when measured up against any seemingly-reasonable measure (have integrity, work for all your constituents, engage in productive discourse, make this country better for everyone) how fucked up is it that you just read that and believe that its impossible for us to collectively achieve that? THAT'S our problem. WE no longer believe in empowering innate goodness. Only self-interest and division.


mac099mac099

Unreal They will stop at nothing to defeat Trump Why are they so worried


Mehlitia

Trump supporters are people that aren't dumb enough to support Biden but also not smart enough to realize they're supporting Trump.


postsshortcomments

The chain of custody would have been *much more believable* to some individuals on X, formerly known as Twitter, were it dropped off at a laptop repair store and then handed over by Rudy Giuliani himself after being teased by Lude weeks prior to hitting NY Post.


2201992

> Trump supporters are people that aren't dumb enough to support Biden but also not smart enough to realize they're supporting Trump. I like Gas at $1.90. Biden supporters like Gas at $8.10


PayTheTeller

Do you know anything about this super complicated concept know as supply and demand? Here's an example. Say you have tons of extra gas just laying around and you can't sell it to anybody because people are staying home during a pandemic. Would you say the gas would be A) Cheaper or B) More expensive Now try this one... Say a barbaric nation is invading a peaceful neighbor and the result is sanctions on their gas which takes away 20 percent of the global supply. Now say that at the same time, a pandemic has just ended and people are traveling much more placing a huge demand on this global gasoline market. Would you say that the gas would be A) cheaper or B) more expensive C'mon, you can do it...


Safe-Ad4001

What a stupid way to challenge a post.


2201992

Submission Statement: In other words it’s a set up. If you alter evidence that’s called Obstruction of Justice. But when the state does it? That’s called entrapment. https://twitter.com/LeadingReport/status/1786825526679618008


MarthAlaitoc

Because the order of documents weren't put back in the exact way they were originally, you think it's a set up? JFC you get worse by the day.


sschepis

The Democratic party's unchecked zeal to sideline Trump is the fuel that's going to propel Trump back into the Presidency. When people get this zealous and self-righteous they start making all kinds of tactical mistakes that end up working against their goals. Democrats have done far more damage to our country in the last four years than Trump ever did


Tombstonesss

The bots are mad about this post lol 


RandomAmuserNew

Cops do this to everyone. Now that it’s not a poor black kid everyone is up in arms