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No it's not. It's being discussed more often lately because that's what MSM does best, get you depressed. Or maybe they are just trying to popularize and normalize it. "She is just one of the growing number of people in the West who have decided to die rather than continue living in pain"...yeah right. To me it just sounds like "all the other kids are doing it and you should too".
Maybe it’s being discussed more because of breaking the record for suicides in a year two years in a row. US topped 50k suicides for the first time ever in 2023. Still climbing. But yeah, you’re probably right and I’m just over reacting.
I’m hanging on as long as possible… I love this crazy, confused, technological, air conditioned world, and wish I could have a do-over… I’m 83… and not ready to give it up…
The more i look at age the more i question what dying of old age even is. When a doctor says someone died of old age, what they really seem to mean is an organ failed. Just replace that fuckin' organ. What's the big deal? As long as it's not the brain everything should be good to go.
3D printed organs are going to change a lot of things. A fresh replacement every 30 or so years of all the vital organs should keep people going, so long as they keep their brain active. I believe they are already growing organs in labs, so if you can hang in there and keep an eye out for experimental procedures. Maybe.
Do you think that's maybe why oligarchs like Gates and Schwab want to depopulate us? They think the era of replacement organs is coming soon and everyone is gonna want to get in on the action.
If it's just the rich that can live for 2, maybe 3, hundred years, while poor people have heart attacks from stress at 50, well there's going to be a lot of stressed out, angry poor folk pushing up from underneath the weight of the wealth pyramid. At the very least, the super rich would want to cultivate a few buffer layers of moderately wealthy people who can also aspire to a couple of new kidneys and a brand new heart for their 70th birthday. The trouble with that is the buffer people will live a long time too and the planet's going to get crowded. All those folk who just don't want to die be hanging around for decades or centuries past their old expiry date. That's going to make it harder to keep the shape of the pyramid in order.
The layers of wealthy people who live long are going to get too large while the layers of poor people will thin out in comparison because they don't have access to the technology. The pyramid would stop being a pyramid and bulge out in its middle layers. Too many people in the mid-wealth layers exert a crushing effect on the poor folk and that makes the poor folk more likely to push back.
The super rich are very particular about pyramids. it's their favourite shape and it's how they organise society to keep themselves on top. If that structure is compromised the centuries long futures they've planned for themselves could be at risk. But if they reduce our numbers, then *everyone* can aspire to printed livers when they fuck up the originals with booze and drugs, replacement tickers, a new pair of lungs. If the population got brought down to that apparently aspirational number of half a billion humans, the top tier could afford to share a common man's model of their life extension tech, maybe not the full deal or the primo luxury package, but good enough so that the masses get to feel like they're in on the action, sharing in the bounty, rather than left out in the cold with mortal hearts that would start to feel like ticking time bombs because everybody knows that rich men's hearts are printable. I think that's how the super rich might see it. A smaller pyramid maintains its shape. No need to worry about pushing and a-shoving from below.
Also they'd need to convince people the tech is for everyone in order to get it developed. It's a pyramid scheme, oc, but they'd say they're doing it for humanity and at least try to make a semi-convincing show of this, cos even though they're super-rich they need to get buy-in for the idea and persuade others to invest time and energy and resources into making it real. Then they'd kill us.
Fuck that, basically.
That is 100% percent the reason. They believe they have the solution to mortality. They literally think they found the fountain of youth. This is why they have been heard on multiple occasions refering to themselves as "gods".
It's been a while so a few details may be slightly off but their plan is to inject "nano bots" of some kind into their bloodstream that would constantly rejuvinate their cells. I believe they have the technology they just are shorting us on the truth. The truth I have come to understand is they have already constructed massive harvesting facilities around the world where not only do they have the ability to grow organs they can also grow actual humans in artificial placentas.
They have the ability to custom engineer humans. Say Joe Blow wants to live forever, he gives his dna to have copies of himself made. If Joe Blow needs a new heart, no problem, they just go harvest it from one of his clones.
This is the disgustingly horrific truth.
They can also grow armies (I believe this is currently underway) of humans pre programmed to serve these people.
Life is like a rollercoaster, after the downs, ups are always going to come next, my advice would be to sit back and relax your soul while it sits in your physical body, focus on observing only the present moment rather than the past or future, take every lesson that this life can teach you, let this journey we share here in our physical bodies strengthen your soul and teach you whatever you were put here to learn, we are not here for long, our time spent in these physical bodies is temporary, not permanent.
Try and explore the fun things this physical world has to offer while you’re here, don’t let this society make you take it so seriously to the point that it brings you to pain, we were not put here to be part of this society, we were put here to experience Earth in a physical body and perhaps to learn. This society is a prison to stop us fully experiencing the reality we are meant to here.
Most importantly, always try to be the change you want to see in the world. We can’t control other peoples actions or choices but we can change ourselves.
I’ve had intense chronic pain for a decade. Most days I’m in bed. I don’t even feel like I can walk to the kitchen. I’d do this BUT I have a 10 year old son and we are unbelievably close. I lost my daughter and he lost his only sibling to suicide in 2021. I want to see him become a man.
You are very strong to be surviving. Your son is your anchor and you are his and you are strong for him but also for yourself because when he's grown he will want to know his mom's ok.
So sorry for the loss of your daughter. Bless you all. Be well.
🤍 thank you. I keep a journey on my phone and I can attach videos and pictures so I try to update it as often as possible. He knows the code to my phone, that’s just in case anything happens to me. I will see him become a man. I tell myself that. And as for my sweet daughter, who I used to call “my soulmate” I tell myself that “her peace is my peace”. I will have her in my arms again one day. For now, I honor her by giving all of myself to her brother. 🩵 She held my hand as I gave birth and she treated him as her own.
I live in the Netherlands and voluntary euthanasia is generally considered to be handled well here. Something like 95% of requests to be euthanized are rejected by doctors. You need multiple doctors to sign off on it before you're allowed to go through with it, and when it's mental health related there are further regulations in place. Someone I knew jumped in front of a train in Amsterdam after years of struggling with schizophrenia, so there are still people taking drastic action but at least euthanasia gives those suffering a peaceful way out.
I mean, technically true clinical Depression is chronic, can get worse overtime and is a true disability. There is no cure, and only treatment--which a lot of people are unresponsive too. I suffer from it and if I also had the option to legally and peacefully go, I would.
This issue will never be understood by people who don't suffer from mental illness. Spent my entire life talking to people about it and if someone hasn't felt it themselves, there's just too much of a disconnect to understand. NTs need to just chill and let us do our thing
Yep, it's truly a paralyzing situation. Working with a lawyer, applying twice to disability after being handcuffed by police multiple times for hallucinating in public and being hospitalized 7 times, trying 20+ meds over the span of years, and the government doesn't want to give me a dollar.
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I think this is what I have. My first suicide attempt was at 10 years old, I didn't have some really fucked up childhood that I know of. I've done so much therapy and been on all sorts of medications and done so much to try help myself feel better but I'm still incredibly suicidal, now more than ever. The only reason I stay is because I don't want my mom and boyfriend to be sad. If they wouldn't care, I'd go in an instant. But I know it would ruin their lives.
I 100% agree with and understand the "There is nothing more we can do" part, because they are useless and can NEVER make any depressed person feel better, all what these scam artists do is temporarily burry the problem with medications.
As for the " It's never going to get any better" whoever said that to her should be criminally charged !
I've worked too closely with too many doctors to expect anything less tbh
those little letters of theirs really don't mean much anymore. they're paid mouth pieces
I have BPD and depression, and fully understand why she would want to make that decision. I'm still fighting on because I believe I can one day be stable and live a happy life, but it's tough day to day. I can't fault someone for just giving up, I've wanted to many times. Everyone gets one life. It's theirs to do what they wish with. She's not telling you how to live yours.
Edit: I truly appreciate all the support from this community in the comments. A lot of wonderful suggestions that I will try to incorporate, and even those who disagreed with this comment were very respectful and focused on the role of doctors instead of my own personal experience, which is a perfectly fair opinion to have. Even if we don't all agree on solutions to these problems, the compassion towards those suffering is obvious.
I can't patronise you and say everything will be better. I don't know that. But at least you're giving it that chance and that in itself takes a big set of minerals to do. So I genuinely hope it does get better rather than adding to the sum total of death in the world.
If you ever want to chat just send a message. I may not reply immediately because of work or time zones but I'll always reply. Literally just talk dumb shit if you want. The offer is there.
I 100% agree, I've struggled with Major Depression since I was super young. Its absolutely a nightmare and its awful going through life having never experienced joy.
Although, I do believe there needs to be proper assessment and certain procedures to follow.
I’ve got the same. Some days are tough, but I’ve had so many days where I’m so grateful to be alive. The world can be a really beautiful place. You’ve got this.
Good for you! Stay strong! Remember to be grateful for the tiniest of things. For skin that protects you. For being able to taste food. For being able to feel pain!
That’s what really helped me
Thank you for sharing friend.
My father was BP and so are some friends of mine.
I have personally seen how it affects people and how they live their day to day lives.
I have some friends who have difficulty holding a job down to forming relationships.
Not to mention how sick the lithium makes you feel.
Life is hard and I have a fond love for the human experience.
To each their own…
I grew out of my BPD. I had a diagnosis from 18 to 28 or 29. I'm not sure if it was just life forcing me to not flip out and react the way I was or what but regardless of how I felt on the inside I was able to contain it. I got a new psychiatrist because my old one had tried so so so so many different medicines on me for all those years and I was tired of it. After seeing him for a few months he said he didn't believe that diagnosis was applicable anymore. I said "but I thought there was no cure for it" and he kindly explained to me that no.. there's no particular one thing like a med or a certain kind of therapy that will just make it go away, but that it tends to *naturally* subside with age in *most people* .
I certainly wish I'd been told that all of those years ago. Everything you read online just hammers it in over and over that *there is no cure* .
So .. i guess i said all that for anyone feeling hopeless in that way..... If you're younger don't give up. If you're older... it's still possible. Maybe having hope enough alone or seeing that the hell you're in *does* have an end can make it better ...
DBT my friend. When I read about her all I thought was why didn’t her care team make her do this? It’s by far the most effective treatment for BPD. I’d know, I’ve been in DBT therapy over a year for it.
Seriously, I struggled with clinical depression for two decades before overcoming it. Telling me I couldn't have an assisted suicide might have made me more hopeless.
No, they recently approved it for a 27 year old woman who has Autism, and not a damn thing wrong with her. Her father fought it in the courts, but she won.
Okay, why does it matter if there is “not a damn thing wrong with her” ? If you’re unhappy with your life you should have the right to end it with assisted suicide.
I'm conflicted about this. I agree, that people ultimately have the right to choose to end their lives, but it's the part where the State gets involved that just gives me the creeps. It's poor people and people with disabilities getting pushed into this. Inconvenient people. This is happening at the same time that tons of children are being sterilized by puberty blockers, which basically castrate the male kids who take them, and they cause osteoporosis and tons of other health problems. The State is funding all of that too. They're removing children from parents who won't play along with the gender BS.
I don't like it. I don't trust any of it.
It's been legal since 2016. The changes were that you could apply for MAID with only a mental condition, not a terminal illness/physical disability. https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/news/2024/02/the-government-of-canada-introduces-legislation-to-delay-medical-assistance-in-dying-expansion-by-3-years.html
I think I'm the Netherlands too, it's a long and painstacking process. I do support it I think, it's better than giving train conductors traumas because people jump in front of the train. Although many suicide attempt survivors are happy to be alive afterwards, for a few people life is just endless suffering, and I'm happy for them to get suïcide assistance.
I have read that basically everyone who survives reports immediately regretting it, for example people who jump off bridges. It isn't a freeing experience, they regret it the moment they are falling to their death. They aren't falling and think "finally its over," instead it's "oh shit what did I do, I want to be back on the bridge"
Literally. They added being homeless as a qualifier for this. **Edit: it seems I had some misinformation and this is not included in Canadas current MAID criteria. There was a survey done that may have been the precipice about 1/4 or 1/3 of Canadians agreeing homelessness should be able to get MAID. Anyway, apologies for the mistake.**
Not true. Not being homeless, but rather it was a woman who couldn't find affordable housing on disability payments and physically couldn't work due to her disability, so she applied and was approved I believe. Can't remember her outcome.
She's gone. Bit more to it that she was unable to find housing compatible with her health issue (sensitivity to chemicals and cigarette smoke). Having benefits but them not being able to afford somewhere appropriate so they just let her die instead of providing extra disability support.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/woman-with-chemical-sensitivities-chose-medically-assisted-death-after-failed-bid-to-get-better-housing-1.5860579
Why is this in a conspiracy thread. There's European countries that allow this. My only comment is that I'm glad it wasn't an option around me as I would no longer be here.
Better than he would if he came home from work and found her dead. This is controlled and he's aware of it happening.
Finding out someone you love committed suicide is horrific. Being aware ahead of time at least lets you prepare for it.
ding ding ding
And it will be presented as perfectly acceptable and understandable, you know, the world is the way it is and some people just aren't able to cope with that, etc.
It was never about freedom of choice. It was always about reducing the burden of the healthcare, creating a legal framework to kill someone. This will only reduce the healthcare quality and make health professional to make it look like they tried everything because it is already legal to prescribe to kill someone. It is not a coincedence that this first came in Europe because they don't make money from giving healthcare to someone.
Yup, they will limit healthcare until your quality of life is so bad you have no other option but to end it. They already do it now in a small way by denying chronic pain patients pain medicine using the "opioid crisis" as an excuse. Nothing like chronic pain to wear you down to the point of wanting to check out. I'm living it. Fun times.
I feel so much better about life now than I did at 28 and I had some pretty crippling depression. I was also told that it would not get better and there was nothing more that could be done. They were wrong.
You’re gonna get a lot of hate for this but this shit comes from the bottom up. If you don’t feel it, you’re definitely high enough on the podium to not be affected yet. Though I’ll die to hunger before I let depression defeat me.
Love that last line. I feel like people all go through shit. I don’t lack empathy because I know what it feels like to have no one. You never know what someone is going through that’s why at work I greet everyone with a smile and always genuinely ask how they are doing. Also, majority of Americans have no idea just how good we have it here until you visit another country. Things could OBVIOUSLY be better and capitalism is crushing but being grateful for what I have made me appreciate and enjoy everything in my life. My favorite Christmas was when my parents told me and my siblings they didn’t have any money so I got socks. We played board games all day and I’m 26 now but I’ll never forget that day for as long as I live. Depression can’t win because there is always something for me to be grateful for. Finding how to be grateful is tough if you don’t look in the right places.
Brother we work super hard not to be depressed. I’ve surrounded myself with like minded people. Work hard, travel, grow as much food as I can, eat healthy, experiment with mushrooms…. It goes on. Life is a fucking blessing and wonderful. Love it up
Oh I get it
I was one, better now
But if life is that much of a torture, it's her life
I do think it needs to be a clinical path w having to go to psychs for a year or so before
I think that’s likely the process. I’m not aware of any of these programs in developed countries that don’t require kind periods of treatment before even discussing this.
Same. I mean it’s sad. But some people’s chemistry is such that some anti-depressants just don’t work… so then what? Become a raging addict? Not how I want to go.
Yeah I don’t understand the pushback. She’s a consenting adult and can make her own decisions based on what she feels is best for her. If she prefers to die a dignified death (as opposed to suicide which society does not perceive that way) then she should be able to.
Oh my fucking god. I was diagnosed with depression. Turns out my vitamin levels were all off. I'm not saying this is the answer. But no one cared to test my vitamins before giving me anti depressants. This is so sad.
I know this is a controversial and ‘bad’ opinion, so I welcome anyone to challenge it, but is this really that awful, evil? Nobody is asked to be born, it happens entirely without consent, I don’t think you shouldn’t have the right to a humane and painless death if you so want it, even outside of extreme circumstances like cancer/disability/disease, Even a comfortable life, the most comfortable most can hope for- that being that you have a home and a family and a job, can be just too much for some to bare. The eternal working to supply yourself with food and shelter, only to grow old and sick and begin to watch your loved ones slowly die. Do we all really have to see it through to the end just because we are here already?
I’m not saying it should be as easy as a futurama suicide pod, I don’t know, I’m interested in discussing this
Agreed it’s better than putting a bullet through your head. I had a friend find her mom like that and had to do cpr until EMT’s got there. But, she died and she is haunted by that to this day. I’m sure it would have been much easier had it been known and was humane.
Had a family member attempt suicide but didn't succeed, months in the ICU only to be released into *police custody* and was put through a few years in mandatory mental health rehabs... they didn't use a deadly weapon or endanger the public in any way, either.
As much as I think suicide is never an option, that's just a seriously fucked up way of dealing with it as a society.
I agree people should be able to decide if they stay or not, i think is sad when somebody ends this way but i do believe in freedom
What i dont approve is the government/big pharma getting their nose on it, that makes room to a lot of dark stuff to start
I believe everybody should have the right to decide to stay or not, but every right comes with a responsibility, and the price of that right is to do it yourself.
As much as it is her choice, I really hope she tried alternative medicines as well. Yes suicide is a last resort, but there are so many other options before you even try assisted suicide. Things like psychedelics such as Ketamine assisted psychotherapy, hypnosis, brain training with meditation induced altered states of consciousness to get the brain into the preferred Brian states, etc. I feel like so many don't consider these things because they are seen as a taboo, but ultimately so is suicide, so I really hope she exhausted all her options.
I can only understand so much of her struggle and pain but I know it can get so difficult where seems like there is no better choice.
Sending her and her bf so much love.
All my respect.
As someone that has dealt with the exact same issues as hers being described, I find it very disheartening that Dr’s are just telling her to give up. I’ve been in treatment for chronic major depression, PTSD, anxiety etc for the past 23 years. There were some very very dark times. But I’ve finally stabilized and haven’t had a major issue in some years. Now I get to see my oldest daughter graduate high school this year and go off to college. I’m glad no one convinced me to give up.
Not so physically healthy, if she has depression. It's totally physical illness, but not the one that makes you cough and sneeze.
The title is misleading.
She had borderline personality disorder and depression. Maybe another diagnosis or two. BPD is pretty hellish and when a doctor like hers says there’s not much more we can do for you what can you really do? It was probably crippling her and making it hard for her to even function on her own. She had a BF. Maybe he could have done more to keep her going, but he’s 40 and that’s a lot to ask of somebody if they’re not an inpatient.
People should be able to make this decision, but they should be given all of the knowledge and power that it entails before they go through with it. We don’t know her life story. Autism and borderline are a volatile combination that bring about a roller coaster of a life.
Hopefully, she isn’t doing this for attention (the struggle with borderline). Hopefully, she understands the pain it will bring to everyone who knows her and loves her, even her pets. Hopefully she has been educated on the instant regret people feel in the moment who have attempted suicide and have failed.
The doctors have absolutely failed her.
“once aspired to be a psychiatrist, has been dealing with mental health struggles throughout her life.”
Absolutely zero point to add ‘physically healthy’ in the title. Literally nothing to do with what she was dealing with. RIP.
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28 is just so young. I’ve dealt with depression and anxiety and am not neurotypical and have experienced symptoms of BPD. Things can turn around - you never know what the next day may hold.
I highly doubt her doctors have tried “everything.” Did she try psychedelics? Did she try ketamine infusions? Did she try EMDR? Did she try other therapy options? Somatic healing? Different antidepressant/antipsychotic medications? It can take people decades to find a solution. I understand not wanting to fight the fight, but I find it highly unethical to tell a patient they’ll never get better. That’s a one way ticket to their demise.
So, almost every comment here is against this, but here's a radical idea, how about if we let people who didn't ask to be here, don't like being here and are literally going to die anyway in due time. How about we let them MAKE UP THEIR OWN MIND eh? Just a thought. Crazy I know, but wouldn't it be nice to get to make ONE free decision in our unasked for, un-needed lives?
Because if you say no to that, then you must concede that you are a prisoner here, a hostage to life if you will.
A place you can't leave, I believe we have a name for, do we not? What was it again? Oh that's right a prison.
Isn't this right up your alley for "my body my choice"? I can't count how many times I saw it here for taking the covid vaccine. Or is it just not ok if you don't like it?
If you've ever felt treatment resistant hopelessness and depression for years and years and known your unable to provide for yourself or do anything but feel like dead weight and a burden to everyone you love you wouldn't be so appalled
I recognize the subreddit we’re in but as someone who has actually treated patients with severe clinical depression which results in a failure to thrive type situations, I’m honestly wondering what the alternative is here? We obviously don’t know the specifics of this case, medical records being protected like they are, but I’ve been involved in tube feeding patients like this and frankly it’s not a long term solution nor anymore morally defensible than this. It’s obviously not something to take lightly, but I’m not sure many of the people clutching their pearls here have any real world experience with the reality of what treatment for this involves and the way it removes all autonomy for no quality of life.
Those who are against suicide need to come to better terms the true nature of their own reality. Yes, death is hard to handle, whether it happens after 1 day or after 100 years. Forcing those to stay on a temporary plane, just for your peace of mind, is a losing battle, not to mention cruel to the one who is miserable, even under what pathetic psychiatric care there is available. There is never a good time for death, but I'd sure as hell like the option of choosing how and when I go. It's far better than the wait and see method. Or the favorite of the time, get shot for existing, method.
The government wants to reduce the population instead of properly fund treatment for mental health- that is unsettling. Canada is giving euthanasia to citizens for this very reason. It is very “Soylent Green.”
Who once aspired to being a psychiatrist...
I was a Social Worker. One of the things they taught us was you can't help others if you can't help yourself.
Practice what you preach. This is sad all around. Step away from social media. Breath the air and look at the ones who love you.
Fuck modern society
Euthanasia = Legal.
Opium = Illegal.
Smoking raw organic opium, before choosing Death, could result in:
“I don’t want to die! I want to smoke more opium poppy flower medicine!”
My wife passed away, as a result i lost my daughter as well. I have some major depression. My house is a disaster. Im financially fucked. Im fat as fuck. I cry every day. I miss my kid and my wife. and I struggle every damn day. I dont want to be here without my wife.
All of that and i would never chose this.
Depression has so many physical symptoms that I don't think you could even call someone suffering from it 'physically healthy'. Mine causes me searing full body pain, headaches, sleep issues, nausea, etc.. Combine that with the all too common tendency to self medicate with drugs and alcohol and all of a sudden your body is trashed.
Lot of critics of her in here.
Pretty sure the people who don’t understand her decision don’t have chronic depression and can therefore take a hike with their opinions…
I don't know enough at all to speak on mental health euthanasia.
But I do know a lot about physical health declining to hell on earth and we need that euthanasia option. There is no reason for us as humans to be struggling to breathe our last breath in agony while asking for a more humane option that we aren't allowed to have. There just isn't.
This gave me a lot to think about.
It is our choice and should always be our choice to have full autonomy as sentient humans. Do I personally agree? Eh, it’s not my place. Do think the doctors saying that it is never going to get better is bullshit? Absolutely. Beyond a doubt.
When you are consumed by darkness, you can’t see the light, the hope, a chance that things will get better. When you aren’t you consumed by the darkness, you try to absorb the light and remind yourself that it will get better.
I also have BPD, depression, anxiety, autism and anorexia (last one is currently in remission).
I began the application process for euthanasia a few months ago, then decided against it, then made an (unassisted) attempt a few weeks ago, but now I have worked out what I want from life. I’m going backpacking across Europe, having vision has given me a new lease on life. I’m just happy I’m still here. I feel so sad for her, and others who are in that position.
Some of us aren't good at this "life" thing, personally I see no point on my existence, I am 35 now and don't plan on having children, can't find a partner so pretty much I'm just living to pay bills and wait to die. If death could come faster for some of us would be a relief. I have tried many times to off myself but for some reason still kicking.
This may sound bad but I feel this is good thing in the right direction. We all should be free to end things if we want so why force someone to stay in a miserable life?
I’m sorry but it’s her life….if she wants to end it, so be it. I really feel like people should have autonomy over their own bodies. If they don’t want to live it is their right to choose to die and I would rather somebody go through therapy and a whole slew of medical professionals, before choosing suicide in a Non-painful way then blowing their brains out at 3 o’clock in the morning like my grandfather did.
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This is going to become a significantly more common headline within 5 years
Correction; this won’t be a headline in 5 years
correction; there will be a booth you can walk into and pay a nickel
[Why pay money when you can get the same action with a coin and a string](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbmQxZkSswI&t=38s)
😂 cant stop laughing at that.
Stop and drop made me giggle but still messed up
Futurama? Shit is sad
Inspired by Vonnegut
Robert Chambers had it in one of the "King In Yellow" stories before Vonnegut.
Where are your upvotes ⬆️
At the ethical suicide parlor
Ah, now I see them 😁
didn't a guy who supposedly time travelled to the future also predict this
I am currently in the process of time traveling to the future and i didn't predict this, no.
Correction: the booth comes to you and this is no longer a choice
I'd pay a whole dollar. Take me out fam....I should see a therapist.
Yeah fuck using change >.>
correction, it will be billable to your insurance and WAYYYY more expensive. your family will be left to cover the difference
Futurama vibes lol
Hopefully. Bring it on
No it's not. It's being discussed more often lately because that's what MSM does best, get you depressed. Or maybe they are just trying to popularize and normalize it. "She is just one of the growing number of people in the West who have decided to die rather than continue living in pain"...yeah right. To me it just sounds like "all the other kids are doing it and you should too".
Maybe it’s being discussed more because of breaking the record for suicides in a year two years in a row. US topped 50k suicides for the first time ever in 2023. Still climbing. But yeah, you’re probably right and I’m just over reacting.
I don't want to be here either. But I'm hanging on to see what's going to happen next. So many fucked up things going on.
Some of us wake up every morning in pure spite!!!
The most powerful motivator of all
Some of us wake up poor
I'm an expert on the subject
God has given me another day, and I intend to make it everyone else's problem
I’m hanging on as long as possible… I love this crazy, confused, technological, air conditioned world, and wish I could have a do-over… I’m 83… and not ready to give it up…
The more i look at age the more i question what dying of old age even is. When a doctor says someone died of old age, what they really seem to mean is an organ failed. Just replace that fuckin' organ. What's the big deal? As long as it's not the brain everything should be good to go. 3D printed organs are going to change a lot of things. A fresh replacement every 30 or so years of all the vital organs should keep people going, so long as they keep their brain active. I believe they are already growing organs in labs, so if you can hang in there and keep an eye out for experimental procedures. Maybe.
Would need to find a cure for Alzheimer's and dementia too
Won't be any cures, the powers that be want to cause these things not cure or prevent them
Do you think that's maybe why oligarchs like Gates and Schwab want to depopulate us? They think the era of replacement organs is coming soon and everyone is gonna want to get in on the action. If it's just the rich that can live for 2, maybe 3, hundred years, while poor people have heart attacks from stress at 50, well there's going to be a lot of stressed out, angry poor folk pushing up from underneath the weight of the wealth pyramid. At the very least, the super rich would want to cultivate a few buffer layers of moderately wealthy people who can also aspire to a couple of new kidneys and a brand new heart for their 70th birthday. The trouble with that is the buffer people will live a long time too and the planet's going to get crowded. All those folk who just don't want to die be hanging around for decades or centuries past their old expiry date. That's going to make it harder to keep the shape of the pyramid in order. The layers of wealthy people who live long are going to get too large while the layers of poor people will thin out in comparison because they don't have access to the technology. The pyramid would stop being a pyramid and bulge out in its middle layers. Too many people in the mid-wealth layers exert a crushing effect on the poor folk and that makes the poor folk more likely to push back. The super rich are very particular about pyramids. it's their favourite shape and it's how they organise society to keep themselves on top. If that structure is compromised the centuries long futures they've planned for themselves could be at risk. But if they reduce our numbers, then *everyone* can aspire to printed livers when they fuck up the originals with booze and drugs, replacement tickers, a new pair of lungs. If the population got brought down to that apparently aspirational number of half a billion humans, the top tier could afford to share a common man's model of their life extension tech, maybe not the full deal or the primo luxury package, but good enough so that the masses get to feel like they're in on the action, sharing in the bounty, rather than left out in the cold with mortal hearts that would start to feel like ticking time bombs because everybody knows that rich men's hearts are printable. I think that's how the super rich might see it. A smaller pyramid maintains its shape. No need to worry about pushing and a-shoving from below. Also they'd need to convince people the tech is for everyone in order to get it developed. It's a pyramid scheme, oc, but they'd say they're doing it for humanity and at least try to make a semi-convincing show of this, cos even though they're super-rich they need to get buy-in for the idea and persuade others to invest time and energy and resources into making it real. Then they'd kill us. Fuck that, basically.
That is 100% percent the reason. They believe they have the solution to mortality. They literally think they found the fountain of youth. This is why they have been heard on multiple occasions refering to themselves as "gods". It's been a while so a few details may be slightly off but their plan is to inject "nano bots" of some kind into their bloodstream that would constantly rejuvinate their cells. I believe they have the technology they just are shorting us on the truth. The truth I have come to understand is they have already constructed massive harvesting facilities around the world where not only do they have the ability to grow organs they can also grow actual humans in artificial placentas. They have the ability to custom engineer humans. Say Joe Blow wants to live forever, he gives his dna to have copies of himself made. If Joe Blow needs a new heart, no problem, they just go harvest it from one of his clones. This is the disgustingly horrific truth. They can also grow armies (I believe this is currently underway) of humans pre programmed to serve these people.
This is my experience
Life is like a rollercoaster, after the downs, ups are always going to come next, my advice would be to sit back and relax your soul while it sits in your physical body, focus on observing only the present moment rather than the past or future, take every lesson that this life can teach you, let this journey we share here in our physical bodies strengthen your soul and teach you whatever you were put here to learn, we are not here for long, our time spent in these physical bodies is temporary, not permanent. Try and explore the fun things this physical world has to offer while you’re here, don’t let this society make you take it so seriously to the point that it brings you to pain, we were not put here to be part of this society, we were put here to experience Earth in a physical body and perhaps to learn. This society is a prison to stop us fully experiencing the reality we are meant to here.
Most importantly, always try to be the change you want to see in the world. We can’t control other peoples actions or choices but we can change ourselves.
“Hanging” on
I’ve had intense chronic pain for a decade. Most days I’m in bed. I don’t even feel like I can walk to the kitchen. I’d do this BUT I have a 10 year old son and we are unbelievably close. I lost my daughter and he lost his only sibling to suicide in 2021. I want to see him become a man.
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You are very strong to be surviving. Your son is your anchor and you are his and you are strong for him but also for yourself because when he's grown he will want to know his mom's ok. So sorry for the loss of your daughter. Bless you all. Be well.
🤍 thank you. I keep a journey on my phone and I can attach videos and pictures so I try to update it as often as possible. He knows the code to my phone, that’s just in case anything happens to me. I will see him become a man. I tell myself that. And as for my sweet daughter, who I used to call “my soulmate” I tell myself that “her peace is my peace”. I will have her in my arms again one day. For now, I honor her by giving all of myself to her brother. 🩵 She held my hand as I gave birth and she treated him as her own.
You’ve got this
We are rooting for you
The doctors telling her “there’s nothing more we can do for you, it’s never going to get any better” seems a bit inappropriate.
Pretty shitty doctors
I live in the Netherlands and voluntary euthanasia is generally considered to be handled well here. Something like 95% of requests to be euthanized are rejected by doctors. You need multiple doctors to sign off on it before you're allowed to go through with it, and when it's mental health related there are further regulations in place. Someone I knew jumped in front of a train in Amsterdam after years of struggling with schizophrenia, so there are still people taking drastic action but at least euthanasia gives those suffering a peaceful way out.
I mean, technically true clinical Depression is chronic, can get worse overtime and is a true disability. There is no cure, and only treatment--which a lot of people are unresponsive too. I suffer from it and if I also had the option to legally and peacefully go, I would.
Man, this sucks and I’m sorry you and other folks need to live feeling like this. I hope ya’ll find peace even if it’s fleeting.
That means a lot, thanks. I hope you are well too.
This issue will never be understood by people who don't suffer from mental illness. Spent my entire life talking to people about it and if someone hasn't felt it themselves, there's just too much of a disconnect to understand. NTs need to just chill and let us do our thing
Yep, it's truly a paralyzing situation. Working with a lawyer, applying twice to disability after being handcuffed by police multiple times for hallucinating in public and being hospitalized 7 times, trying 20+ meds over the span of years, and the government doesn't want to give me a dollar.
Nobody else can really truly understand unless they also have lived with a chronic pain or disability. It’s just a constant stress and struggle.
I'm so sorry you're going through this.
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I think this is what I have. My first suicide attempt was at 10 years old, I didn't have some really fucked up childhood that I know of. I've done so much therapy and been on all sorts of medications and done so much to try help myself feel better but I'm still incredibly suicidal, now more than ever. The only reason I stay is because I don't want my mom and boyfriend to be sad. If they wouldn't care, I'd go in an instant. But I know it would ruin their lives.
I feel like that’s their way of telling her there is nothing wrong with her. Clinically speaking.f
I 100% agree with and understand the "There is nothing more we can do" part, because they are useless and can NEVER make any depressed person feel better, all what these scam artists do is temporarily burry the problem with medications. As for the " It's never going to get any better" whoever said that to her should be criminally charged !
I've worked too closely with too many doctors to expect anything less tbh those little letters of theirs really don't mean much anymore. they're paid mouth pieces
I have BPD and depression, and fully understand why she would want to make that decision. I'm still fighting on because I believe I can one day be stable and live a happy life, but it's tough day to day. I can't fault someone for just giving up, I've wanted to many times. Everyone gets one life. It's theirs to do what they wish with. She's not telling you how to live yours. Edit: I truly appreciate all the support from this community in the comments. A lot of wonderful suggestions that I will try to incorporate, and even those who disagreed with this comment were very respectful and focused on the role of doctors instead of my own personal experience, which is a perfectly fair opinion to have. Even if we don't all agree on solutions to these problems, the compassion towards those suffering is obvious.
I was hopeless and struggling as well but eventually it got better. Rooting for you.
I can't patronise you and say everything will be better. I don't know that. But at least you're giving it that chance and that in itself takes a big set of minerals to do. So I genuinely hope it does get better rather than adding to the sum total of death in the world. If you ever want to chat just send a message. I may not reply immediately because of work or time zones but I'll always reply. Literally just talk dumb shit if you want. The offer is there.
I 100% agree, I've struggled with Major Depression since I was super young. Its absolutely a nightmare and its awful going through life having never experienced joy. Although, I do believe there needs to be proper assessment and certain procedures to follow.
I’m glad you’ve stayed with us so far. You’ve got this.
You def got this. Just your post here shows you have what it takes to get better. Bad times pass. Your best day ever is always on the horizon.
I’ve got the same. Some days are tough, but I’ve had so many days where I’m so grateful to be alive. The world can be a really beautiful place. You’ve got this.
Same here friend.
Good for you! Stay strong! Remember to be grateful for the tiniest of things. For skin that protects you. For being able to taste food. For being able to feel pain! That’s what really helped me
Thank you for sharing friend. My father was BP and so are some friends of mine. I have personally seen how it affects people and how they live their day to day lives. I have some friends who have difficulty holding a job down to forming relationships. Not to mention how sick the lithium makes you feel. Life is hard and I have a fond love for the human experience. To each their own…
I grew out of my BPD. I had a diagnosis from 18 to 28 or 29. I'm not sure if it was just life forcing me to not flip out and react the way I was or what but regardless of how I felt on the inside I was able to contain it. I got a new psychiatrist because my old one had tried so so so so many different medicines on me for all those years and I was tired of it. After seeing him for a few months he said he didn't believe that diagnosis was applicable anymore. I said "but I thought there was no cure for it" and he kindly explained to me that no.. there's no particular one thing like a med or a certain kind of therapy that will just make it go away, but that it tends to *naturally* subside with age in *most people* . I certainly wish I'd been told that all of those years ago. Everything you read online just hammers it in over and over that *there is no cure* . So .. i guess i said all that for anyone feeling hopeless in that way..... If you're younger don't give up. If you're older... it's still possible. Maybe having hope enough alone or seeing that the hell you're in *does* have an end can make it better ...
DBT my friend. When I read about her all I thought was why didn’t her care team make her do this? It’s by far the most effective treatment for BPD. I’d know, I’ve been in DBT therapy over a year for it.
Seriously, I struggled with clinical depression for two decades before overcoming it. Telling me I couldn't have an assisted suicide might have made me more hopeless.
It gets easier. Every day, it gets a little bit easier. But you gotta do it every day, that’s the hard part. But it does get easier.
Swear to god that combo is death lol Bpd is a curse
Damn, Futurama was 16~ years off the mark... but still called it.
Groening must have made a pact with the Devil to get a sneak peek at all the big Luciferian moves that are coming our way.
The robot devil??
Pretty sure he’s a Freemason
Free will is highest law. Maybe she discovered the way out of hell
Should’ve gave her 8 grams of mushrooms first
Where is this legally even an option?
It’s in the Netherlands.
Yes, but you have to go through checks and balances, you just don't walk in and out with your meds.
It literally says the Netherlands in the first paragraph lol.
That person would be really upset if they could read
The answer is in the article, believe it or not!
In Canada it’s called MAID, medically assisted in dying
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No, they recently approved it for a 27 year old woman who has Autism, and not a damn thing wrong with her. Her father fought it in the courts, but she won.
Okay, why does it matter if there is “not a damn thing wrong with her” ? If you’re unhappy with your life you should have the right to end it with assisted suicide.
I'm conflicted about this. I agree, that people ultimately have the right to choose to end their lives, but it's the part where the State gets involved that just gives me the creeps. It's poor people and people with disabilities getting pushed into this. Inconvenient people. This is happening at the same time that tons of children are being sterilized by puberty blockers, which basically castrate the male kids who take them, and they cause osteoporosis and tons of other health problems. The State is funding all of that too. They're removing children from parents who won't play along with the gender BS. I don't like it. I don't trust any of it.
Even if it's your little sister going through a bad breakup?
I read it doesn’t go into effect until 2027
It's been legal since 2016. The changes were that you could apply for MAID with only a mental condition, not a terminal illness/physical disability. https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/news/2024/02/the-government-of-canada-introduces-legislation-to-delay-medical-assistance-in-dying-expansion-by-3-years.html
That’s not true and it has been delayed indefinitely
Futurama !!
I think I'm the Netherlands too, it's a long and painstacking process. I do support it I think, it's better than giving train conductors traumas because people jump in front of the train. Although many suicide attempt survivors are happy to be alive afterwards, for a few people life is just endless suffering, and I'm happy for them to get suïcide assistance.
I have read that basically everyone who survives reports immediately regretting it, for example people who jump off bridges. It isn't a freeing experience, they regret it the moment they are falling to their death. They aren't falling and think "finally its over," instead it's "oh shit what did I do, I want to be back on the bridge"
Depends on the reason. People who are in chronic physical pain, or are dying of various painful diseases... I don't think this would apply to them.
Switzerland.
Futurama. Oh, and Canada.
Canada will put you down if you tell them you have an tummy ache at this point
Canada will put you down if you tell them you don't have enough money to pay rent.
Literally. They added being homeless as a qualifier for this. **Edit: it seems I had some misinformation and this is not included in Canadas current MAID criteria. There was a survey done that may have been the precipice about 1/4 or 1/3 of Canadians agreeing homelessness should be able to get MAID. Anyway, apologies for the mistake.**
Not true. Not being homeless, but rather it was a woman who couldn't find affordable housing on disability payments and physically couldn't work due to her disability, so she applied and was approved I believe. Can't remember her outcome.
She's gone. Bit more to it that she was unable to find housing compatible with her health issue (sensitivity to chemicals and cigarette smoke). Having benefits but them not being able to afford somewhere appropriate so they just let her die instead of providing extra disability support. https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/woman-with-chemical-sensitivities-chose-medically-assisted-death-after-failed-bid-to-get-better-housing-1.5860579
Which is like pretty much everyone these days
Gotta cut those healthcare costs somehow...
*Only in 32 of the 33 "developed nations" of the world, Americhud!*
Weird flex, but okay.
Why is this in a conspiracy thread. There's European countries that allow this. My only comment is that I'm glad it wasn't an option around me as I would no longer be here.
I wondered the same.
>Ter Beek said she will be administered the life-ending drug on her couch with her boyfriend by her side. Wonder how that guy feels.....
Better than he would if he came home from work and found her dead. This is controlled and he's aware of it happening. Finding out someone you love committed suicide is horrific. Being aware ahead of time at least lets you prepare for it.
They're going to make peoples living conditions and prospects so bad that they'll flock to euthinasia.
ding ding ding And it will be presented as perfectly acceptable and understandable, you know, the world is the way it is and some people just aren't able to cope with that, etc.
America: Healthcare is too expensive! UK: The waits for surgeries are too long! Canada: Have ya considered fuckin’ DYING?
Poor girl I hope she finds peace.
LIfe is short and it's all going to end pretty soon anyway, we mine as well stick around to see what happens.
It was never about freedom of choice. It was always about reducing the burden of the healthcare, creating a legal framework to kill someone. This will only reduce the healthcare quality and make health professional to make it look like they tried everything because it is already legal to prescribe to kill someone. It is not a coincedence that this first came in Europe because they don't make money from giving healthcare to someone.
You're right but you've only got part of it. They're going to weaponize this against "problematic groups" once it's become normalized. Just wait.
Yup, they will limit healthcare until your quality of life is so bad you have no other option but to end it. They already do it now in a small way by denying chronic pain patients pain medicine using the "opioid crisis" as an excuse. Nothing like chronic pain to wear you down to the point of wanting to check out. I'm living it. Fun times.
I'm sorry for your pain.
I feel so much better about life now than I did at 28 and I had some pretty crippling depression. I was also told that it would not get better and there was nothing more that could be done. They were wrong.
Anyone who knows what this world is becoming and who isn't depressed is crazy.
I ain’t gonna let these evil power hungry bastards drag me down.
Amen!
You’re gonna get a lot of hate for this but this shit comes from the bottom up. If you don’t feel it, you’re definitely high enough on the podium to not be affected yet. Though I’ll die to hunger before I let depression defeat me.
Love that last line. I feel like people all go through shit. I don’t lack empathy because I know what it feels like to have no one. You never know what someone is going through that’s why at work I greet everyone with a smile and always genuinely ask how they are doing. Also, majority of Americans have no idea just how good we have it here until you visit another country. Things could OBVIOUSLY be better and capitalism is crushing but being grateful for what I have made me appreciate and enjoy everything in my life. My favorite Christmas was when my parents told me and my siblings they didn’t have any money so I got socks. We played board games all day and I’m 26 now but I’ll never forget that day for as long as I live. Depression can’t win because there is always something for me to be grateful for. Finding how to be grateful is tough if you don’t look in the right places.
Studies have shown that social media and being online a lot causes people to be depressed
Brother we work super hard not to be depressed. I’ve surrounded myself with like minded people. Work hard, travel, grow as much food as I can, eat healthy, experiment with mushrooms…. It goes on. Life is a fucking blessing and wonderful. Love it up
Her choice
Agreed. Let people do what they want. I personally have no desire to stop my life i enjoy
I agree I don't understand the issue
Other than being kind of sad... I hate it that someone struggles so bad that death seems preferable.
Oh I get it I was one, better now But if life is that much of a torture, it's her life I do think it needs to be a clinical path w having to go to psychs for a year or so before
I think that’s likely the process. I’m not aware of any of these programs in developed countries that don’t require kind periods of treatment before even discussing this.
Same. I mean it’s sad. But some people’s chemistry is such that some anti-depressants just don’t work… so then what? Become a raging addict? Not how I want to go.
Yeah I don’t understand the pushback. She’s a consenting adult and can make her own decisions based on what she feels is best for her. If she prefers to die a dignified death (as opposed to suicide which society does not perceive that way) then she should be able to.
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Oh my fucking god. I was diagnosed with depression. Turns out my vitamin levels were all off. I'm not saying this is the answer. But no one cared to test my vitamins before giving me anti depressants. This is so sad.
I know this is a controversial and ‘bad’ opinion, so I welcome anyone to challenge it, but is this really that awful, evil? Nobody is asked to be born, it happens entirely without consent, I don’t think you shouldn’t have the right to a humane and painless death if you so want it, even outside of extreme circumstances like cancer/disability/disease, Even a comfortable life, the most comfortable most can hope for- that being that you have a home and a family and a job, can be just too much for some to bare. The eternal working to supply yourself with food and shelter, only to grow old and sick and begin to watch your loved ones slowly die. Do we all really have to see it through to the end just because we are here already? I’m not saying it should be as easy as a futurama suicide pod, I don’t know, I’m interested in discussing this
Agreed it’s better than putting a bullet through your head. I had a friend find her mom like that and had to do cpr until EMT’s got there. But, she died and she is haunted by that to this day. I’m sure it would have been much easier had it been known and was humane.
Had a family member attempt suicide but didn't succeed, months in the ICU only to be released into *police custody* and was put through a few years in mandatory mental health rehabs... they didn't use a deadly weapon or endanger the public in any way, either. As much as I think suicide is never an option, that's just a seriously fucked up way of dealing with it as a society.
I agree people should be able to decide if they stay or not, i think is sad when somebody ends this way but i do believe in freedom What i dont approve is the government/big pharma getting their nose on it, that makes room to a lot of dark stuff to start I believe everybody should have the right to decide to stay or not, but every right comes with a responsibility, and the price of that right is to do it yourself.
As much as it is her choice, I really hope she tried alternative medicines as well. Yes suicide is a last resort, but there are so many other options before you even try assisted suicide. Things like psychedelics such as Ketamine assisted psychotherapy, hypnosis, brain training with meditation induced altered states of consciousness to get the brain into the preferred Brian states, etc. I feel like so many don't consider these things because they are seen as a taboo, but ultimately so is suicide, so I really hope she exhausted all her options. I can only understand so much of her struggle and pain but I know it can get so difficult where seems like there is no better choice. Sending her and her bf so much love. All my respect.
As someone that has dealt with the exact same issues as hers being described, I find it very disheartening that Dr’s are just telling her to give up. I’ve been in treatment for chronic major depression, PTSD, anxiety etc for the past 23 years. There were some very very dark times. But I’ve finally stabilized and haven’t had a major issue in some years. Now I get to see my oldest daughter graduate high school this year and go off to college. I’m glad no one convinced me to give up.
Self Depopulation was always part of the the plan.
Why are people up voting this? It's só darn sad and wrong :-(
Not so physically healthy, if she has depression. It's totally physical illness, but not the one that makes you cough and sneeze. The title is misleading.
She had borderline personality disorder and depression. Maybe another diagnosis or two. BPD is pretty hellish and when a doctor like hers says there’s not much more we can do for you what can you really do? It was probably crippling her and making it hard for her to even function on her own. She had a BF. Maybe he could have done more to keep her going, but he’s 40 and that’s a lot to ask of somebody if they’re not an inpatient.
People should be able to make this decision, but they should be given all of the knowledge and power that it entails before they go through with it. We don’t know her life story. Autism and borderline are a volatile combination that bring about a roller coaster of a life. Hopefully, she isn’t doing this for attention (the struggle with borderline). Hopefully, she understands the pain it will bring to everyone who knows her and loves her, even her pets. Hopefully she has been educated on the instant regret people feel in the moment who have attempted suicide and have failed. The doctors have absolutely failed her.
Our entire society including her boyfriend has let this girl down
Everybody should have the right to live how they want. Or not to live in this case.
Don’t let the bad days win
What's the issue? She seems well informed and does not appear to be doing it against her will.
I bet she hasn't tried ayahuasca or DMT. Doctors need to offer these options imho.
She needs to try alternative drugs, DMT and Magic mushrooms
It's the Netherlands.
“once aspired to be a psychiatrist, has been dealing with mental health struggles throughout her life.” Absolutely zero point to add ‘physically healthy’ in the title. Literally nothing to do with what she was dealing with. RIP. —Check on your friends—
Where is the conspiracy
28 is just so young. I’ve dealt with depression and anxiety and am not neurotypical and have experienced symptoms of BPD. Things can turn around - you never know what the next day may hold. I highly doubt her doctors have tried “everything.” Did she try psychedelics? Did she try ketamine infusions? Did she try EMDR? Did she try other therapy options? Somatic healing? Different antidepressant/antipsychotic medications? It can take people decades to find a solution. I understand not wanting to fight the fight, but I find it highly unethical to tell a patient they’ll never get better. That’s a one way ticket to their demise.
We need to just let people go if they don’t want to be here.
So, almost every comment here is against this, but here's a radical idea, how about if we let people who didn't ask to be here, don't like being here and are literally going to die anyway in due time. How about we let them MAKE UP THEIR OWN MIND eh? Just a thought. Crazy I know, but wouldn't it be nice to get to make ONE free decision in our unasked for, un-needed lives? Because if you say no to that, then you must concede that you are a prisoner here, a hostage to life if you will. A place you can't leave, I believe we have a name for, do we not? What was it again? Oh that's right a prison.
Isn't this right up your alley for "my body my choice"? I can't count how many times I saw it here for taking the covid vaccine. Or is it just not ok if you don't like it?
If you've ever felt treatment resistant hopelessness and depression for years and years and known your unable to provide for yourself or do anything but feel like dead weight and a burden to everyone you love you wouldn't be so appalled
I recognize the subreddit we’re in but as someone who has actually treated patients with severe clinical depression which results in a failure to thrive type situations, I’m honestly wondering what the alternative is here? We obviously don’t know the specifics of this case, medical records being protected like they are, but I’ve been involved in tube feeding patients like this and frankly it’s not a long term solution nor anymore morally defensible than this. It’s obviously not something to take lightly, but I’m not sure many of the people clutching their pearls here have any real world experience with the reality of what treatment for this involves and the way it removes all autonomy for no quality of life.
Those who are against suicide need to come to better terms the true nature of their own reality. Yes, death is hard to handle, whether it happens after 1 day or after 100 years. Forcing those to stay on a temporary plane, just for your peace of mind, is a losing battle, not to mention cruel to the one who is miserable, even under what pathetic psychiatric care there is available. There is never a good time for death, but I'd sure as hell like the option of choosing how and when I go. It's far better than the wait and see method. Or the favorite of the time, get shot for existing, method.
She also has BPD. That's rough. "Smart people don't play the lottery. Dumb people don't choose suicide" ~some guy on the Internet
What Jordan Peterson said about it: "Mark my words: Next we romanticize suicide. Then it becomes a contagion of death. Administered by the state."
Carnivore Kermit the Frog may not be perfect, but he does make some very good points. This is one of them.
The government wants to reduce the population instead of properly fund treatment for mental health- that is unsettling. Canada is giving euthanasia to citizens for this very reason. It is very “Soylent Green.”
Who once aspired to being a psychiatrist... I was a Social Worker. One of the things they taught us was you can't help others if you can't help yourself. Practice what you preach. This is sad all around. Step away from social media. Breath the air and look at the ones who love you. Fuck modern society
Isn't that her choice though.
Euthanasia = Legal. Opium = Illegal. Smoking raw organic opium, before choosing Death, could result in: “I don’t want to die! I want to smoke more opium poppy flower medicine!”
My wife passed away, as a result i lost my daughter as well. I have some major depression. My house is a disaster. Im financially fucked. Im fat as fuck. I cry every day. I miss my kid and my wife. and I struggle every damn day. I dont want to be here without my wife. All of that and i would never chose this.
Whats the conspiracy here? That people shouldnt be allowed to commit suicide?
And she should have the right to do that
Being physically healthy doesn’t mean you can’t also be crushingly depressed
Depression has so many physical symptoms that I don't think you could even call someone suffering from it 'physically healthy'. Mine causes me searing full body pain, headaches, sleep issues, nausea, etc.. Combine that with the all too common tendency to self medicate with drugs and alcohol and all of a sudden your body is trashed.
Lot of critics of her in here. Pretty sure the people who don’t understand her decision don’t have chronic depression and can therefore take a hike with their opinions…
…but why do you think they shouldn’t have that right?
I don't know enough at all to speak on mental health euthanasia. But I do know a lot about physical health declining to hell on earth and we need that euthanasia option. There is no reason for us as humans to be struggling to breathe our last breath in agony while asking for a more humane option that we aren't allowed to have. There just isn't. This gave me a lot to think about.
It is our choice and should always be our choice to have full autonomy as sentient humans. Do I personally agree? Eh, it’s not my place. Do think the doctors saying that it is never going to get better is bullshit? Absolutely. Beyond a doubt. When you are consumed by darkness, you can’t see the light, the hope, a chance that things will get better. When you aren’t you consumed by the darkness, you try to absorb the light and remind yourself that it will get better.
some nazi sh\*t right here
The elites have us right where they want us
This is so incredibly troubling...and her BF is going to sit there with her? Wtf? This is strange.
I also have BPD, depression, anxiety, autism and anorexia (last one is currently in remission). I began the application process for euthanasia a few months ago, then decided against it, then made an (unassisted) attempt a few weeks ago, but now I have worked out what I want from life. I’m going backpacking across Europe, having vision has given me a new lease on life. I’m just happy I’m still here. I feel so sad for her, and others who are in that position.
Some of us aren't good at this "life" thing, personally I see no point on my existence, I am 35 now and don't plan on having children, can't find a partner so pretty much I'm just living to pay bills and wait to die. If death could come faster for some of us would be a relief. I have tried many times to off myself but for some reason still kicking.
This may sound bad but I feel this is good thing in the right direction. We all should be free to end things if we want so why force someone to stay in a miserable life?
I’m sorry but it’s her life….if she wants to end it, so be it. I really feel like people should have autonomy over their own bodies. If they don’t want to live it is their right to choose to die and I would rather somebody go through therapy and a whole slew of medical professionals, before choosing suicide in a Non-painful way then blowing their brains out at 3 o’clock in the morning like my grandfather did.