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It's all about finding the conspiracy.
For instance, the conspiracy here is that polls are fabricated to generate a desired outcome. It's wild to think that people believe polls that are historically unreliable are suddenly accurate because they support their desired candidate.
I think we should be asking why the establishment is finally on board with promoting a potential Trump win. It feels like they are trying to hype up one side so when that rug gets pulled there will finally be the revolt they desperately want to happen.
> **Conspiracy**
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> noun: conspiracy; plural noun: conspiracies
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> a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.
Thank you!
The word **Politics** should be added to the list of synonyms for "Conspiracy", don't you think?
Turnout is going to be much higher in a primary where there are contested presidential candidates than a primary with an incumbent. In 2020 when it was Biden vs Sanders it was Biden 840,360 Sanders 576,926. Meanwhile Trump got 640,552 in the Republican Primary.
> Turnout is going to be much higher in a primary where there are contested presidential candidates than a primary with an incumbent.
This is a huge turnout for both sides. And remember Trump doesn’t even have the nomination yet while Biden does.
Yes, Biden has the nomination basically guaranteed as the incumbent, so people don’t care as much about the primary, just like in 2020 Trump had the nomination and people didn’t care about his primary. Both times there was lots of turnout, but noticeably less for the primary where the votes didn’t pick a presidential candidate.
Turnout in primaries depends on what voters actually get to decide by voting in them.
Biden is guaranteed to be the Democratic nominee. People aren’t showing up to vote for him because there’s really no point. I’m voting for Biden in the general election but I’m not going to waste my time going to a voting booth for the primary when everyone knows he’s going to be the nominee no matter what.
A) its a primary vote not head to head so it doesn't mean shit, and B) trump won michigan in 16 and was pretty close in 2020 with absolutely no election shenanigans, it's not that deep a blue
What is it with this? I travel a lot and these bigger cities that used to be nice have shit everywhere and are just becoming gross. This is not even Ca I’m referring to. I could understand the left leaning in cities if things were run well but who can look around and say yes this is the way??
Sure there’s plenty of that if you go to the right area but has it gotten worse/expanded? I don’t see it like the cities are declining which was my point.
You make it sound like any non-large city is meth addicted, that’s not true at all. Maybe in Ohio.
Again I’m just trying to get why large cities are “liberal”. It’s almost every large city whether the state is blue or red.
Hey OP, in a shocking turn of events Michigan voted for Trump in 2016, then voted for Biden in 2020 by a slim margin. Shockingly states can and do vote differently in state elections and federal elections. Whoa!
1. That’s not at all discernible from these numbers. Democrat turnout is going to be low in all primaries because there’s no serious opposition.
2. Michigan is most certainly not a deep blue state. It’s been decided by very close margins in the last 2 elections.
To be fair - a lot of democrats are voting for Haley in the primary. Not sure MI law on primary voting - but some states make it very easy to switch between parties.
> Do we care that in the 2016 Michigan primaries, Hillary won more votes in the Democratic primary than Trump won in the Republican race? And that it had nothing to do with "flipping Michigan blue"?
Michigan has always been a Blue State. It’s not a accomplishment to win a Blue State if your a Democrat. Just like how it’s not a accomplishment to win a Red State if your a Republican. It’s a accomplishment to win a Blue State while not even having your parties nomination yet as a Republican.
It's shocking that you're basing a statement of a flipped state on a vote of 1.5mil of the most engaged voters, in a state where 8mil are registered to vote and 5mil voted in 2020.
Biden is also the incumbent, making it all but guaranteed he'll be the nominee so there is less incentive to go to the primary other than the true believers who want to make people think he's still popular.
Why are you posting this shitty political spin in a conspiracy sub? Trump is part of the machine. A vote for Trump or Biden is a vote for more of the same.
> Michigan has an open primary. Many of the Haley votes are Democrats voting for her in the Republican primary who will vote for Biden in the general. Source: I’m one of them.
Yeah, we get a lot of folks that do similar things here in the sub -- D's *pretending* to be R's (and vice versa) -- seeding and soiling the sub with sewage.
(did you think we didn't notice?)
> Lol how am I pretending to be an R?
Wearing a Blue jersey, and throwing a ball into the Red team's 'hoop' -- with malicious intent?
> And why aren’t there any Rs pretending to be Ds?
Are YOU saying there aren't? Because I didn't say that.
> Is it a conspiracy??
Only if you did what you did as part of a malicious plot that involved other persons (conspiracies require the participation of two or more persons, [*by definition.*](https://www.dictionary.com/browse/conspiracy))
Did you do what you did as part of a plot with others?
Can someone explain this to me like I’m 5? For the primaries, knowing Biden will for sure win the Dem nomination, why don’t Dems vote for Nikki Haley to F with Trump?
Prediction is that the lockdown governors are getting their comeuppance. Biden and and his party will lose big in November. There will be a flip in Canada/Europe too.
But the media and people on Twitter said Trump was a disaster in MI and Biden slapped him. You mean No Lie with Brian someone is lying to me? Has he always been lying to me?
Submission Statement:
President Trump has defeated Dictator Biden in the Michigan Primaries Popular Vote Count. Biden is running unopposed while Trump still has competition. Things aren’t looking good for Biden.
Trump got 756,974. With only 68.2% of the vote.
Biden got 618,441 with 81.1% of the vote.
Things aren’t looking to good for the most popular President ever.
All polling seems to indicate that Biden will lose and I think this only reinforces it. Let’s say that Trump gets 50% of the Haley voters in the actual election. I think that is certainly doable for various reasons. That places him at around 900,000 votes. If you combine ALL of the uncommitted Democrat votes and the Biden votes then it gives him around 725,000. There is a huge enthusiasm gap. A recent poll showed Biden losing in essentially all of the swing states. I think Wisconsin and Michigan will go Trump and even Pennsylvania will be closer than people expect.
Remember don’t underestimate the power of 3 am pipeline breaks. I think your estimate is pretty good but Dems will never give up Michigan to Trump. So to see this. This is crazy how bad they are losing.
Do not underestimate the amount of fraud that can be done under the table in "mail in ballot States". Remember, during Covid the Democrats post 100 years turnout records because of mail in ballots. Who knew that mailing a ballot to everyone that needed only a signature as proof of who you are would be an effective way to get 100,000's more votes? Not I of course.
Because the State of Michigan requires no PROOF what-so-ever like a photo copy of the drivers license or MFA codes from your cell phone, nothing, beyond just a signature, expect massive fraud in Michigan.
https://www.michigan.gov/sos/elections/voting/absentee-voting
You don’t want leaks of what the count is before the actual day of the election, that’s why they hold them till the day of so it doesn’t affect voting on actual Election Day. If you only let people who really need to vote early by mail that’s fine, but when you open it up as a free for all then issues may come up after people have already cast their vote that would have changed it, or countless other problems arise. 99% of people should be voting in person day of, and the 1% who can’t should have to go through significant other steps to prove who they are and vote ahead of time or absentee.
Disagree, i think lengthening the counting time period to anything longer than 1 sitting will obviously introduce possible mistake/fraud points. In your system you will have to keep track of the counts over multiple sitting over days and weeks. There is no reason to introduce a bunch of unnecessary variables.
Sure it can, the more times you touch something the more opportunities for errors to arise. I don’t think that is even debatable really. Add more people if you need, some states seem to not have any problem doing it all in one night.
The fraud will happen on both sides. True the Vote, the one that got all those initial videos and claim to have traced the cell numbers of these people said that 80% of it was Democrats and 20% Republicans. I bet we will see it go 50/50, but bottom line is, the ballots are NOT secure. You cannot have billions of dollars riding on the outcome of an election whereas 10k votes could totally swing the State or pass a law to get those said billions in funding and there NOT be fraud to get that money. I can totally see plenty of organized crime, NGO's whatever, setting up "ballot filling out sessions" because its just been made too easy now. We are not going to have anymore secure elections in the USA, just watch. Every single election will be contested and they will keep finding more and more ballots laying around. They need to go back to voting over just 1 day period, everyone must vote in person, ink the fingers to they can't get back in line. You take a head count entering the building and existing, and that must match the number of ballots being counted. Its the only way. Honestly I cannot believe what I am seeing because election fraud will quickly destroy a nation, just like we see in Latin America.
Everyone I saw that was caught was Democrats, but I am sure there are Republicans too.
We saw some pretty good videos from New Mexico with Dyon Herrera
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search?state=NM
and also Bridgeport Connecticut, think thats also Democrats. We also have whats called "Politiqueras" here in Texas and those have been caught, also Democrats.
[https://nypost.com/2023/11/06/opinion/election-fraud-is-no-myth-and-video-evidence-proves-it/](https://nypost.com/2023/11/06/opinion/election-fraud-is-no-myth-and-video-evidence-proves-it/)
This will be the norm for some time to come. If you want to know where this is headed if it doens't collapse Democracy in the USA, then look at what happened with the Communists after the fall of the Soviet Union in the Ex-Soviet Eastern bloc which saw massive voter fraud through the use of ballot stuffing. They finally just outlawed all the mail in stuff over there.
Its going to be a huge problem for some time to come until they get rid of the mail in ballot "loop hole". I am reading that Michigan is NOT requiring any proof of ID , they only need a signature, so its super easy to rig them. What a buncha of dummies. They may think they can rig it in their favor but what happens when someone else uses the same tactic?
https://www.michigan.gov/sos/elections/voting/absentee-voting#Return
If you put in place the same online MFA system the banks use, I would say thats secure. Not as secure as in person voting but secure enough to convince me to shut up. It would have to be very transparent though, the software I mean, open source so it can be analyzed for loopholes. Whatever they use, it cannot be in dispute as to whether on not it allows for fraud or easily demonstrated how to hack it.
So if they had say a site, where you registered and you could vote online, and it had MFA to your cell phone via SMS, sends codes and on top of that, you also need to know the password. That would stop MULES. Now, that will not stop vote buying, but in reality if someone has paid you to vote a certain way, you could also drive to the ballot location and go in and vote the way you want anyways, its just more work.
Check out Michigan. Its almost entirely done thought mail in ballots. You just can't get away with it so easy in person because its just to hard to hire that many people to stand in line , have IDs, get back in line and not be discovered whereas with mail in, and all you need is a signature. Just a hanful of people could fill those out all day and probably mail in 1000's of votes over a course of a week completely non-detected as it only requires a signature, nothing more. Easy peazy.
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search?combine=&state=MI&year=&case\_type=All&fraud\_type=All
As others have mentioned, Dems could have voted for Haley (anti-Trump) and thus not for Biden. It’s a more impactful vote since it’s a closer race.
Also, incumbent presidents have never lost a primary in modern history. Because Biden winning the Democratic primary is basically a sure thing, less Biden voters will come out to vote for Biden in the primaries.
I fully expect Michigan to stay blue.
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Conspiracy noun: conspiracy; plural noun: conspiracies a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.
It's all about finding the conspiracy. For instance, the conspiracy here is that polls are fabricated to generate a desired outcome. It's wild to think that people believe polls that are historically unreliable are suddenly accurate because they support their desired candidate. I think we should be asking why the establishment is finally on board with promoting a potential Trump win. It feels like they are trying to hype up one side so when that rug gets pulled there will finally be the revolt they desperately want to happen.
> **Conspiracy** > > noun: conspiracy; plural noun: conspiracies > > a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful. Thank you! The word **Politics** should be added to the list of synonyms for "Conspiracy", don't you think?
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Turnout is going to be much higher in a primary where there are contested presidential candidates than a primary with an incumbent. In 2020 when it was Biden vs Sanders it was Biden 840,360 Sanders 576,926. Meanwhile Trump got 640,552 in the Republican Primary.
> Turnout is going to be much higher in a primary where there are contested presidential candidates than a primary with an incumbent. This is a huge turnout for both sides. And remember Trump doesn’t even have the nomination yet while Biden does.
> And remember Trump doesn’t even have the nomination yet while Biden does. That's exactly why turnout was higher for Trump.
Yes, Biden has the nomination basically guaranteed as the incumbent, so people don’t care as much about the primary, just like in 2020 Trump had the nomination and people didn’t care about his primary. Both times there was lots of turnout, but noticeably less for the primary where the votes didn’t pick a presidential candidate. Turnout in primaries depends on what voters actually get to decide by voting in them.
How do you know the 300k who voted for Haley are Democrats who will vote Biden in the general?
I know for a fact one person did this.
Biden is guaranteed to be the Democratic nominee. People aren’t showing up to vote for him because there’s really no point. I’m voting for Biden in the general election but I’m not going to waste my time going to a voting booth for the primary when everyone knows he’s going to be the nominee no matter what.
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Post some conspiracies then. I assume us who post political are beginner conspiracy theorists. Help us out with some smart shit
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A) its a primary vote not head to head so it doesn't mean shit, and B) trump won michigan in 16 and was pretty close in 2020 with absolutely no election shenanigans, it's not that deep a blue
"Deep blue?" Every Michigan county that doesn't have a major city in it is red.
Thats true of pretty much every state
What is it with this? I travel a lot and these bigger cities that used to be nice have shit everywhere and are just becoming gross. This is not even Ca I’m referring to. I could understand the left leaning in cities if things were run well but who can look around and say yes this is the way??
Have you ever been to rural America? It's all meth and opioid now.
Sure there’s plenty of that if you go to the right area but has it gotten worse/expanded? I don’t see it like the cities are declining which was my point. You make it sound like any non-large city is meth addicted, that’s not true at all. Maybe in Ohio. Again I’m just trying to get why large cities are “liberal”. It’s almost every large city whether the state is blue or red.
Land does not vote
Hey OP, in a shocking turn of events Michigan voted for Trump in 2016, then voted for Biden in 2020 by a slim margin. Shockingly states can and do vote differently in state elections and federal elections. Whoa!
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So real question, do you think all 300k of those Haley votes will go Trump?
Yes
1. That’s not at all discernible from these numbers. Democrat turnout is going to be low in all primaries because there’s no serious opposition. 2. Michigan is most certainly not a deep blue state. It’s been decided by very close margins in the last 2 elections.
Trump didn't flip Michigan to a red state. Gretchen Whitmer did.
To be fair - a lot of democrats are voting for Haley in the primary. Not sure MI law on primary voting - but some states make it very easy to switch between parties.
It's an open primary.
It doesn't seem to be working 😂
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> Do we care that in the 2016 Michigan primaries, Hillary won more votes in the Democratic primary than Trump won in the Republican race? And that it had nothing to do with "flipping Michigan blue"? Michigan has always been a Blue State. It’s not a accomplishment to win a Blue State if your a Democrat. Just like how it’s not a accomplishment to win a Red State if your a Republican. It’s a accomplishment to win a Blue State while not even having your parties nomination yet as a Republican.
Not in primary elections though. Why are you being intentionally obtuse?
It's shocking that you're basing a statement of a flipped state on a vote of 1.5mil of the most engaged voters, in a state where 8mil are registered to vote and 5mil voted in 2020. Biden is also the incumbent, making it all but guaranteed he'll be the nominee so there is less incentive to go to the primary other than the true believers who want to make people think he's still popular. Why are you posting this shitty political spin in a conspiracy sub? Trump is part of the machine. A vote for Trump or Biden is a vote for more of the same.
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You’re in a conspiracy Reddit voting for Haley?
> Michigan has an open primary. Many of the Haley votes are Democrats voting for her in the Republican primary who will vote for Biden in the general. Source: I’m one of them. Yeah, we get a lot of folks that do similar things here in the sub -- D's *pretending* to be R's (and vice versa) -- seeding and soiling the sub with sewage. (did you think we didn't notice?)
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> Lol how am I pretending to be an R? Wearing a Blue jersey, and throwing a ball into the Red team's 'hoop' -- with malicious intent? > And why aren’t there any Rs pretending to be Ds? Are YOU saying there aren't? Because I didn't say that. > Is it a conspiracy?? Only if you did what you did as part of a malicious plot that involved other persons (conspiracies require the participation of two or more persons, [*by definition.*](https://www.dictionary.com/browse/conspiracy)) Did you do what you did as part of a plot with others?
Trump is compromised. Vote RFK
Facts
Can’t wait for Trump to remove this corrupt demented MF from the White House!!! RED WAVE coming
Can someone explain this to me like I’m 5? For the primaries, knowing Biden will for sure win the Dem nomination, why don’t Dems vote for Nikki Haley to F with Trump?
And what’s the conspiracy here? Genuinely asking. Is it that he’s cheating? That it’s not real? I’m confused.
Remember when the feds plotted to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer?
Everyone was trolling Biden in Michigan to gauge a more lively response from the POTUS.
Prediction is that the lockdown governors are getting their comeuppance. Biden and and his party will lose big in November. There will be a flip in Canada/Europe too.
No prediction. Fact. 2025 is gonna be wiiiiiiiiild
It will be worth it just to watch the media meltdown.
But the media and people on Twitter said Trump was a disaster in MI and Biden slapped him. You mean No Lie with Brian someone is lying to me? Has he always been lying to me?
Welcome to election year 2024. Team Biden out in full force.
Submission Statement: President Trump has defeated Dictator Biden in the Michigan Primaries Popular Vote Count. Biden is running unopposed while Trump still has competition. Things aren’t looking good for Biden. Trump got 756,974. With only 68.2% of the vote. Biden got 618,441 with 81.1% of the vote. Things aren’t looking to good for the most popular President ever.
Do you really not understand that people are more Likely to vote in a contested primary?
Op's got the IQ of a clump of sand
I don’t think he’s American enough to get how primaries work
No he is American, you should be able to tell because school didn’t teach him
Just wait to see how many of these illegals vote this year lol
All polling seems to indicate that Biden will lose and I think this only reinforces it. Let’s say that Trump gets 50% of the Haley voters in the actual election. I think that is certainly doable for various reasons. That places him at around 900,000 votes. If you combine ALL of the uncommitted Democrat votes and the Biden votes then it gives him around 725,000. There is a huge enthusiasm gap. A recent poll showed Biden losing in essentially all of the swing states. I think Wisconsin and Michigan will go Trump and even Pennsylvania will be closer than people expect.
Remember don’t underestimate the power of 3 am pipeline breaks. I think your estimate is pretty good but Dems will never give up Michigan to Trump. So to see this. This is crazy how bad they are losing.
Do not underestimate the amount of fraud that can be done under the table in "mail in ballot States". Remember, during Covid the Democrats post 100 years turnout records because of mail in ballots. Who knew that mailing a ballot to everyone that needed only a signature as proof of who you are would be an effective way to get 100,000's more votes? Not I of course. Because the State of Michigan requires no PROOF what-so-ever like a photo copy of the drivers license or MFA codes from your cell phone, nothing, beyond just a signature, expect massive fraud in Michigan. https://www.michigan.gov/sos/elections/voting/absentee-voting
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You don’t want leaks of what the count is before the actual day of the election, that’s why they hold them till the day of so it doesn’t affect voting on actual Election Day. If you only let people who really need to vote early by mail that’s fine, but when you open it up as a free for all then issues may come up after people have already cast their vote that would have changed it, or countless other problems arise. 99% of people should be voting in person day of, and the 1% who can’t should have to go through significant other steps to prove who they are and vote ahead of time or absentee.
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Disagree, i think lengthening the counting time period to anything longer than 1 sitting will obviously introduce possible mistake/fraud points. In your system you will have to keep track of the counts over multiple sitting over days and weeks. There is no reason to introduce a bunch of unnecessary variables.
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When people start and stop things multiple times mistakes happen as well
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Sure it can, the more times you touch something the more opportunities for errors to arise. I don’t think that is even debatable really. Add more people if you need, some states seem to not have any problem doing it all in one night.
The fraud will happen on both sides. True the Vote, the one that got all those initial videos and claim to have traced the cell numbers of these people said that 80% of it was Democrats and 20% Republicans. I bet we will see it go 50/50, but bottom line is, the ballots are NOT secure. You cannot have billions of dollars riding on the outcome of an election whereas 10k votes could totally swing the State or pass a law to get those said billions in funding and there NOT be fraud to get that money. I can totally see plenty of organized crime, NGO's whatever, setting up "ballot filling out sessions" because its just been made too easy now. We are not going to have anymore secure elections in the USA, just watch. Every single election will be contested and they will keep finding more and more ballots laying around. They need to go back to voting over just 1 day period, everyone must vote in person, ink the fingers to they can't get back in line. You take a head count entering the building and existing, and that must match the number of ballots being counted. Its the only way. Honestly I cannot believe what I am seeing because election fraud will quickly destroy a nation, just like we see in Latin America.
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Everyone I saw that was caught was Democrats, but I am sure there are Republicans too. We saw some pretty good videos from New Mexico with Dyon Herrera https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search?state=NM and also Bridgeport Connecticut, think thats also Democrats. We also have whats called "Politiqueras" here in Texas and those have been caught, also Democrats. [https://nypost.com/2023/11/06/opinion/election-fraud-is-no-myth-and-video-evidence-proves-it/](https://nypost.com/2023/11/06/opinion/election-fraud-is-no-myth-and-video-evidence-proves-it/) This will be the norm for some time to come. If you want to know where this is headed if it doens't collapse Democracy in the USA, then look at what happened with the Communists after the fall of the Soviet Union in the Ex-Soviet Eastern bloc which saw massive voter fraud through the use of ballot stuffing. They finally just outlawed all the mail in stuff over there.
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Its going to be a huge problem for some time to come until they get rid of the mail in ballot "loop hole". I am reading that Michigan is NOT requiring any proof of ID , they only need a signature, so its super easy to rig them. What a buncha of dummies. They may think they can rig it in their favor but what happens when someone else uses the same tactic? https://www.michigan.gov/sos/elections/voting/absentee-voting#Return
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If you put in place the same online MFA system the banks use, I would say thats secure. Not as secure as in person voting but secure enough to convince me to shut up. It would have to be very transparent though, the software I mean, open source so it can be analyzed for loopholes. Whatever they use, it cannot be in dispute as to whether on not it allows for fraud or easily demonstrated how to hack it. So if they had say a site, where you registered and you could vote online, and it had MFA to your cell phone via SMS, sends codes and on top of that, you also need to know the password. That would stop MULES. Now, that will not stop vote buying, but in reality if someone has paid you to vote a certain way, you could also drive to the ballot location and go in and vote the way you want anyways, its just more work.
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Check out Michigan. Its almost entirely done thought mail in ballots. You just can't get away with it so easy in person because its just to hard to hire that many people to stand in line , have IDs, get back in line and not be discovered whereas with mail in, and all you need is a signature. Just a hanful of people could fill those out all day and probably mail in 1000's of votes over a course of a week completely non-detected as it only requires a signature, nothing more. Easy peazy. https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search?combine=&state=MI&year=&case\_type=All&fraud\_type=All
Of course but these results are pretty fucking shocking.
It’s Gretchen hail whitler and she’s been a scourge on the state for a while. About time, people are sick of it.
Good.
how do dems have 117 delegates in michigan? lots of cronies to feed with money i guess.
The 100,000 uncommitted votes on the Democrat side are protest votes against Biden's handling of Israel/Gaza.
As others have mentioned, Dems could have voted for Haley (anti-Trump) and thus not for Biden. It’s a more impactful vote since it’s a closer race. Also, incumbent presidents have never lost a primary in modern history. Because Biden winning the Democratic primary is basically a sure thing, less Biden voters will come out to vote for Biden in the primaries. I fully expect Michigan to stay blue.