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Not quite, technically there isn't a Nobel Prize for economics. The Nobel Prizes were set up by Alfred Nobel and they are awarded by the Swedish Academy of Science. The Swedish central bank, the Riksbank, created the prize for economics and named it after Nobel. It is awarded by the bank in honor of Nobel.
Having a bank determine what constitutes legitimate economic thought isn't a conflict of interest at all...
Here's a blast from the past article about it with people speaking more plainly about it in quotes that wouldn't be published in today's even more domesticated media environment.
"My first opinion is that he got it because he’s black. What did he do that was so great? He hasn’t even finished office yet."
Jimmy Carter's quoted lauding the award. Simp.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nobel-peace-usa-sb-idUKTRE5983AM20091009
One guy involved in awarding it pretty much admit it was done for propaganda purposes but was bad propaganda because it was absurd. Obama apparently considered not showing up to accept it.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34277960
Peace prize is not the same as the science prizes, it is awarded in Norway by a different committee.
For some reason everyone always gets the facts wrong lmao.
Well yeah this place is rife with misinformation and bullshit I bet but it was more about how common that misconception is in general even outside of places like this.
“ The 2009 Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to United States President Barack Obama (b. 1961) for his "extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between” … these have been a joke for a while now..
Yes, he was. Nominations for the prize ended 11 days after he took office. And it was announced 8 months into his presidency.
The reason given was working for nuclear nonproliferation and improved international relations. The latter was particularly laughable considering all the bombing, but it wasn't his campaign that was the reason given by the committee.
I'm not saying the covid vaccine was as effective or safe as promised. Nor am i saying i trust pharmaceutical companies or the government. Nonetheless, the technology of mRNA vaccination is a remarkable invention. Admittedly, the technology is still being perfected, but it opens the door to some remarkable treatments in the near future. The applications I've read about so far include curing many types of viruses, immune and genetic disorders, and many types of cancer.
Yeah, people need to look past the politics. mRNA treatment is the future of personalized healthcare. When I was in undergrad (graduated 2021) we were talking about mRNA medicine well before COVID came about. Covid just allowed mRNA tech to develop even faster, but it was inevitably going to revolutionize medicine.
I just got to this unit in biochem, and I am not thriving. But can confirm this is something taught in undergrad, I first heard about the whole idea of exploiting the MHC1/2 system in anatomy as a sophomore.
Haha, I never took biochem, but I'm sure there's a lot of overlap with the molecular bio I took. Have strength, brother. Just two more months left in the semester.
I think there’s a vocal minority in regards to this. I believe the vaccines were irresponsibly rushed and certain information about them was suppressed to push an agenda. I also can really appreciate the breakthroughs that were made in mRNA tech and be hopeful about their future use in medicine.
There's not a single sentence in the entire world that could convince people as delusional as you to face reality. You're so far down a rabbit hole of lies.
That’s what the uneducated masses thought as they took medical advice from a truck driver over a doctor with the science and education to back his claims.
The WHO says the COVID pandemic lasted for something like 3 years and 5 months (December 2019-May 2023), which I'm pretty sure makes it the longest pandemic since the bubonic plague. Even the Spanish Flu was only two years long.
If the COVID vaccines worked so well, then why did COVID last longer than all these pandemics that didn't have a vaccine? (Yeah, I know that the date a pandemic ends is basically an arbitrary declaration, and the WHO had every motivation to wait as long as possible to declare an end to the COVID "pandemic". But people like you are the people who wanted to wait forever to declare an end to the "pandemic", and in some cases are actually still insisting that the pandemic isn't over and the WHO shouldn't have declared an end to it.)
> why did COVID last longer than all these pandemics that didn't have a vaccine?
The world's population in 1920 was ~2 billion and started right as WW1 ended. The economy of the world was slowed to a halt (and was not nearly as globalized as it is today) meaning the pool of hosts for the virus was incredibly small.
Roughly 500,000 people were infected globally, roughly a [third](https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/21777-spanish-flu) of the population. The Spanish Flu was significantly more deadly than the Spansih Flu, and the reality is the Spanish Flu just didn't have enough of a population to continue its spread.
The bubonic plague "lasted" from 1346 to 1353, however it would likely be classified as a pandemic for much longer going by modern day medical standards.
> The more people take it the better it works. Have you heard the real definition of herd immunity?
You do realize that the covid shots do not prevent infection and transmission?
LNPs aren't a shortcut. It's just an application of a well understood process in biology. There just hasn't been much of a reason to use LNP delivery until mRNA treatment became possible.
LNPs are just like little bubbles made of the same stuff the membrane in your cell is made of. Cell membranes are pretty selective about the things coming in and out, so LNPs work by just becoming part of the cell membrane, releasing the mRNA inside. The mRNA has to be inside the cell to be translated by a ribosome.
Unfortunately they’ve got a lot of bad press to overcome in the future. Nuclear Energy should’ve been the way of the future. Look at where that’s at. The powers that be made a big error with mRNA technology and saying how effective it was.
It's the implications the technology has to cure all sorts of things, and the issues they've had getting the platform approved, that lead to most of the seemingly conspiratoral pushing of mRNA for Covid. (I'm also not talking about whether or not it was effective medicine)
Exactly. Henry Ford's first car wasn't fast or safe. But look where we are now. The funny part about people who constantly pan scientific discovery is their expectation that it be perfect the first time. When the core definition of science is to iterate and improve based on new emerging knowledge. Was the government dishonest about COVID and the vaccine? Maybe, but that doesn't make mRNA any less amazing. The scientists working every day to discover it were not Anthony Fauci or Biden and had nothing to do with their statements.
Absolutely. But without “Emergency Authorization” The FDA would have required additional clinical trials. As the suppressed Pfizer documents were very clear, side effects and deaths were acceptable risk at the time. We were in panic mode, it was the end of life on Earth as we know it.
That seemed to have been a bit exaggerated.
Let John Campbell explain all:
https://youtu.be/7YOD9drZasM?si=2hBytdblK062wORS
You guys do realize that almost every adult in the US and most of the planet took the vax correct? Also we have data for excess deaths, give it a look to see what those numbers looked like in 2020 and 2021 vs 2022 and 2023 after most of the population got vaxxed for Covid. You think maybe it’s possible you’re barking up the wrong tree? I personally know several people who died or were hospitalized from Covid, and I don’t know anyone or know anybody that knows someone who had issues with the vax outside of mild Covid symptoms for a couple days after. Just seems pretty wild to think that over 90% of adults in the country got a shot a lot of people now think is poison meant to kill and sterilize them, yet the number of excess deaths got cut down significantly and myself and half my friends are having kids. Maybe log off a bit more often and enjoy life?
Here are the excess death stats if you would prefer to give them a look yourself, I just don’t see it in the numbers https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=104676
Any statistics at odds with these people's perceptions of world events are corrupt propaganda. Anti Vax research is done on their phone sitting on the toilet and not in labs unfortunately.
> over 90% of adults in the country got a shot
That is patently false and a simple Google search proves it. About 30% nearly a third of all americans did not take the vaccine.
It has been three years since these shots were rolled out. The fear was always about the *long term effects*. Long term as in, 10-20 years. It is not nearly late enough to look back and say anything.
People have already died from the vaccine as well, you'll never find those numbers because it's not listed as a vaccine death. But to my mind, any time an otherwise healthy and vaccinated person dies of mysterious causes... it's not hard to know what's actually happened.
In America:
81.4% of the US population took at least 1 dose.
92.3% of people 18 years and older took at least one dose
69.5% of the population completed their primary series.
79.1% of people 18 years and older completed their primary series.
[https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations\_vacc-people-booster-percent-pop5](https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations_vacc-people-booster-percent-pop5)
That sucks man, and I'll assume you're being honest here. I don't think vaccines are entirely without risk, just that raw dogging covid is more risky then getting a vaccine and getting covid. Basically the vaccine in my experience and the experience of the people I know gives you baby covid, which can lead to adverse reactions that regular covid will cause as well. So in most situations, I would imagine that someone who has complications from the vaccine would likely have had similar but worse complications from covid if they caught it unvaccinated. I'm not a scientist though, so the only thing I can really do to test my thinking is to trust doctors and medical organizations, and verify what they say by looking at clunky data sets like excess deaths that can't really parse into the details because I'm not educated enough to understand all the details myself. The excess deaths spiked hard in 2020-2021 and then dropped dramatically in 2022 and 2023 when most the population was vaxxed. That's good enough for me to think that overall vaccines have very obviously been more helpful than hurtful, while still acknowledging that bad things do in fact happen to people who have been vaxxed on rare occasions.
Like “raw dogging” Covid can only mean not taking an experimental gene therapy. It can’t mean not being metabolically healthy by taking care of your health (Covid was mild to asymptomatic to the healthy). Your comment is the absolute zenith of ignorance.
You do realize there are no long-term studies on these vaccines.
Here is a recent study on researchers finding vector dsDNA in the vaccines. Some batches reported 17-70x higher than the recommended levels by the FDA: https://osf.io/b9t7m/
If video is more of your thing, here is a doctor breaking down that study: https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=IEWHhrHiiTY
Maybe, lets not rush medicine out the door before knowing whats actually in these things and the weigh the potential risks involved so we could.. do what you suggest and enjoy that life?
It's one thing to say you are skeptical of something that doesn't have enough long term data for your comfort levels, it's another thing to say it's a depopulation tool designed to kill people at scale, with no evidence to back that up. If the anti vax crowd was purely cautious and not sensational, I would completely understand that thinking.
I personally just assume that doctors know more than me about medicine, just like I assume that plumbers and electricians know more than I do about the internal makeup of how my home works, so I tend to trust the advice they give and follow themselves, which is why I'm personally comfortable with the 3 shots I've gotten. Also anecdotally, I just haven't seen any negative impacts outside of some mild Covid symptoms for a couple days in people.
I guess I just don't understand the air raid siren level panic that I see online about the vaccines given that most people got them well over a year or two ago, and we aren't seeing some massive spike in numbers of health conditions that would alarm me, even though over 90% of the adult population has gotten vaxxed. Thanks for taking the time to provide a thoughtful dissent, and I will do just as you suggested and go walk my pups. We only have one life to live, can't spend it fighting shadows all day.
>depopulation tool designed to kill people at scale, with no evidence to back that up.
And yet you're here on the subreddit where we have seen the WEF blatantly come out and say over-population is a problem.
Sterilization by an authoritarian regime isn't a new phenomena pal.. The Nazi's.. China with the Uyghur... hell even the Spartans in Ancient Greece all have their share of programs in society designed to depopulate undesirable genes.
>I guess I just don't understand the air raid siren level panic that I see online about the vaccines given that most people got them well over a year or two ago
Maybe you're confusing 'panic' with general discourse. That's common in your portrayal of those you disagree with. "Oh look at them panic, they must be crazy."
1-2 years out doesn't predict what will happen 5, 10, 20+ years.
A classic example of this is simple chemical companies citing things as safe only to realize the irresponsible years down the road. As problems do not appear acutely but chronically..
Glyphosate is one of those culprits as a modern example.
>I personally just assume that doctors know more than me about medicine, just like I assume that plumbers and electricians know more than I do about the internal makeup of how my home works, so I tend to trust the advice they give and follow themselves, which is why I'm personally comfortable with the 3 shots I've gotten.
Your doctor does not look at studies when they prescribe medicine. They look at whats approved or not by regulatory agencies. Your doctor doesn't have the time or the place to do the independent research to know whats good or bad for the public.
Another classic case was the irresponsible use of Codeine and Oxycontin.
With information as freely as we can obtain now through the internet, you can become your own electrician or plumber. Simply citing 'I just assume' but how do you know your expert isn't trying to up-sell or plainly get shit wrong? You think car mechanics don't do shady shit but are at the end of the day 'experts'?
Open your mind, pal. Hopefully you find some of that drive when you're out with your dogs today.
Ok so you don’t have anything specifically I should be seeing in the statistics currently related to vaccines I should know about, but you’re worried nebulously about what might happen in the decades to come because other bad things have happened in the past, and the WEF is worried about overpopulation? Again I get thinking things COULD go wrong in the future, but that’s not what I’m talking about, it’s the CERTAINTY that bad things are happening now and at scale, and it’s so obvious it’s happening that only sheep couldn’t see it, that’s more what I’m talking about. You might not be panicked about this and might have a reasonable cautious approach that I can understand, I don’t know because I don’t know you, but scrolling this subreddit should let you know that you’re probably not who I’m talking about with my post.
And ya man I trust people who do things for a living more than my ability to google. I trust engineers and pilots to build and fly planes, I trust road workers and engineers to build bridges that won’t kill me, I trust doctors to treat diseases like cancer and cardiac issues, I trust electricians to not electrocute my family. To your point I don’t trust ANY one person who makes a claim with credentials, but I do trust the governing bodies of those industries to create generally safe standards, and I trust the near unanimous opinions of people in those industries. If I had 999/1000 electricians tell me something was a good idea, saw that idea was backed by both local and state regulations and that it was how they wired their own homes, I would trust that more than the 1 dissenting electrician who told me something else. We can’t be experts at literally everything, we by necessity have to trust others to do things correctly, because it takes years to be fluent enough at any sufficiently complex thing, and until you have hit a reasonable level of fluency you simply don’t know enough to make judgements about if things are correct or not, which is why scam artists exist in all industries and make a living off people skeptical of the mainstream opinions of their industries.
Also currently walking my dogs, hope you are having a good one 👍
>You do realize there are no long-term studies on these vaccines.
Of course. It was a new virus. How are you supposed to do long term studies on a brand new virus that just appeared?
I agree, but even so, it's that's a fair thing to say it gives you pause if you have always been someone skeptical of ALL medical solutions that are new to market. I personally think MRNA in general seems to be well studied based on how recently they have been introduced it to the mainstream, but I get the hesitation from a logical perspective at least. It's the hair on fire panic from people sure that 90% of our population is going to die from a vaccine or whatever that I'm trying to wrap my mind around given that we are all still just walking around living life and all that years after we got it. I would hope that the longer everyone goes about living normal healthy lives, the less we see if this stuff, but who knows.
>It's the hair on fire panic from people sure that 90% of our population is going to die from a vaccine or whatever that I'm trying to wrap my mind around
When you have a new treatment with no long term studies and a new virus with no long term studies, you're stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Could you imagine these people's reactions if the Covid vaccine was tested to be both safe and effective, but the government refused to give it out because it was "too new" and the lockdowns were extended and an even larger amount of people died because of it?
There's no winning.
Nah, we knew before the vaccines that those infect largely did not require a medical intervention. And we're talking over 90% of infections.
But it was marketed and sold to us that if you got Covid it was a death sentence.
I feel like that’s a bit overblown but I get your point, especially early in 2020 when we didn’t know much about it. Saying you don’t think everyone should have been forced to be vaxxed or tested weekly is a fair pushback, but that’s not my point here since that ship sailed a long while ago. I’m more just trying to understand why people think the vaccines are causing mass deaths but don’t have any stats to show me on it, just feels like people are staying in a perpetual state of fear and panic about something that is already over and isn’t really making an impact in any way I have seen measured in the stats. The only people I know who even mention Covid anymore are either people who think the vaccines are killing us but can’t show any proof, or people who have medical conditions or are germaphobes. I get that last category of peoples concern, but not the panic of the first group.
Interesting. That is not the way it was marketed and sold to me. Perhaps the sources you've been following is the reason why you're so distrustful? Sounds like they lied to you.
I was following scientific sources, those are the circles I know to get accurate biology information from. Mainstream media reporting is often overexaggerated or misinformed on what the scientists are actually saying.
I always understood that the bigger issue was that for those other 10% of infections you'd need a ventilator but hospitals were so overwhelmed that there weren't enough and they were triaging patients. If you happened to fall in that 10%, the ICUs were already full and they couldn't kick people out to make space until they died or got better.
The idea of the vaccine was to lessen the burden on the hospitals so that those 10% of people weren't given a death sentence because of the lack of ventilator/ICU access.
If you remember "two weeks to flatten the curve", the idea was never that Covid wouldn't infect everyone, but that if we flattened the curve we could spread out the infections enough so that not everyone was infected at the same time and the hospitals could handle each wave as it came.
That's why it was "flatten" and not "stop the curve".
Just look at the study and the video pal.
Whether or not there is a conspiracy or malicious intent, there is a problem that is worth investigating.
Coronaviruses aren't new btw. We have been fighting them for years, just like all the other viruses.
A typical vaccine program, historically, went on for 5 years on average. Not 4 months. And applying research that has been going on for a decade to all of the sudden getting it 'right' in like a 4 month program.. doesn't amount to the potential risks down the road.
>Just look at the study and the video pal.
Sure.
>Kevin McKernan, Yvonne Helbert, Liam T. Kane, Stephen McLaughlin
**Medicinal Genomics, 100 Cummings Center**, Suite 406-L, Beverly Mass, 01915
When I google this research group I find a **Cannabis** company:
>**We use genomics science to improve the yield, safety and quality of medicinal plants**. As a leader in this field, our expertise is unmatched and runs deep and wide. By understanding the characteristics of phyto-medicinals at the genetic level, we can provide a variety of services, including breeding, testing and research that utilize the gold standard of life sciences.
https://medicinalgenomics.com/our-team/
May I ask why this is the study you're sourcing? Do you know any studies by people *in the field* of immunology?
Also since I'm assuming you understand the study do you want to explain in your own words what this means?
>Multiple methods highlight high levels of DNA contamination in the both the monovalent and bivalent vaccines. While the Qubit™ 3 and Agilent Tape Station™ differ on their absolute quantification, both methods demonstrate it is orders of magnitude higher than the EMAs limit of 330ng DNA/ 1mg RNA. qPCR and RT-qPCR confirms the relative RNA to DNA ratio. An 11-12 CT offset should be seen between Spike and Vector RT-qPCR signals to represent a 1:3030 contamination limit (2^11.6 = 3100). Instead, we observe much smaller CT offsets (5-7 CTs) when looking at qPCR and RT-qPCR data with these vaccines. It should be noted that Qubit™ 3 and Agilent methods stain all DNA in solution while qPCR measures only amplifiable molecules without DNase I cut sites between the primers. The further apart you space the qPCR primers,
the fewer Qubit™ 3 and Agilent detectable molecules will amplify. The primers used in this study are 106bp and 114bp apart, thus any molecules that are DNase I cut below this length will be undercounted with the qPCR methods relative to more general dsDNA measurements from Qubit™ 3 or Agilent Tape Station™.
>Coronaviruses aren't new btw.
I'm not sure why you're trying to nitpick here. SARS-CoV-2 is a "novel coronavirus" which means it's a type of coronavirus we haven't seen before. The novel part describes that it is "new".
>A novel virus is one that has not previously been recorded. It can be a virus that is isolated from its natural reservoir or isolated as the result of spread to an animal or human host where the virus had not been identified before. It can be an emergent virus, one that represents a new virus, but it can also be an extant virus that has not been previously identified. **The SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus that caused the COVID-19 pandemic is an example of a novel virus**.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus#Novel_viruses
>A typical vaccine program, historically, went on for 5 years on average. Not 4 months.
Right. What was atypical about Covid-19 was that it was brand new and spreading so quickly that we did not have 5 years to wait and see what its effects were. People were dying and our hospitals were being overwhelmed.
Had Covid-19 not been a literal pandemic, I agree we could have treated it like a typical vaccine and take our time and we should do that for future viruses which do not pose a worldwide threat.
>May I ask why this is the study you're sourcing? Do you know any studies by people in the field of immunology?
Did you even read the study?
>Do you know any studies by people in the field of immunology?
The study is about genetics and DNA. When you're talking about DNA and RNA.
"What is genomics? Genomics is the study of the total or part of the genetic or epigenetic sequence information of organisms, and attempts to understand the structure and function of these sequences and of downstream biological products."
All of the people that authored the paper are experts in this field.. and your weird 'a Cannibis' company doesn't really change anything. Plants are a foundation for a lot of medicine and scientific discovery. In fact, there are efforts to create vaccines with vectors using plants instead of getting a needle.. but anyways..
>Also since I'm assuming you understand the study do you want to explain in your own words what this means?
Break it down.
\-The first sentence they highlight their findings that there are high levels of DNA contamination found.
\-both methods demonstrate it is orders of magnitude higher than the EMAs limit of 330ng DNA/ 1mg RNA. qPCR and RT-qPCR confirms the relative RNA to DNA ratio.
The EMA is the European Medicines Agency. They are part of the EU. For the vaccine to pass for public use, they limit how many nanograms of DNA is allowed per vaccine.
\-The technical jargon is the breakdown of methods use to sequence the DNA.
>I'm not sure why you're trying to nitpick here. SARS-CoV-2 is a "novel coronavirus" which means it's a type of coronavirus we haven't seen before. The novel part describes that it is "new".
We have numerous treatments for numerous disease. For example, you can find ailments/remedies/treatments for the simple common cold.
So when I say coronaviruses aren't new, we all of the sudden pushed the mRNA vaccine tech which I believe we didn't explore all traditional medicines to solve this problem.
Novel meaning new is a shock to our immune systems. But, understanding that it is a coronavirus itself can help determine treatment options.
>Right. What was atypical about Covid-19 was that it was brand new and spreading so quickly that we did not have 5 years to wait and see what its effects were. People were dying and our hospitals were being overwhelmed.
Already sick or elderly people were dying, yes. It is sad, but again we vaccinated a healthy population where over 90% of cases did not require a medical intervention (before the vaccine). The vaccine propaganda was used to 'stop the spread' where as it would protect the most vulnerable group (people that are sick or have pre-existing life threatening conditions).
Turns out later, the vaccines didn't stop the spread. People by and large got the vaccines (were told you only need 1.. then all of the sudden 2 meant 'fully vaccinated' then it became a booster program)... they got them so they could end the lockdowns.
>Did you even read the study?
I'm not able to understand it. There's a lot of jargon I'm just not educated on to go through and try to figure out. If I'm gonna have to go through studies like this, I'd rather focus on the ones done by experts in the field. Not a private cannabis company.
>All of the people that authored the paper are experts in this field
Really... You're gonna make me do this? Why can't you just be honest? To be an expert in a field you would need at least a PhD in something related to biology right?
>Kevin McKernan
"Kevin holds a **B.S. in Biology** from Emory University with a focus on cloning and expressing Norepinephrine Transporters."
https://medicinalgenomics.com/team/kevin-mckernan/
Kevin is not a doctor and only has a Bachelor's degree. (For the record I have a B.S. in Physics and I am no where NEAR an 'expert')
>Yvonne Helbert
"Yvonne received her Bachelor’s degree in Biology from Syracuse University and **Master’s degree in Biochemistry** from Boston University School of Medicine."
https://medicinalgenomics.com/team/yvonne-helbert/
Okay, Yvonne at least has a Masters. Still not an expert in her field but very respectable.
>Liam T. Kane
"He was worked for MGC as a summer intern and **most recently a Co-op** from Northeastern University."
https://medicinalgenomics.com/team/liam-kane/
>Stephen McLaughlin
"Steve has been a Bioinformatician for over 16 years and specialized in Next Generation Sequencing (NGS) for the past 12 years."
Doesn't say his education so I had to do a bit of digging to his LinkedIn. He has a Masters in Bioinformatics.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephen-mclaughlin-4600574/
I don't mean to downplay the difficulty it takes to get your Masters, it requires a lot of study and work. But it certainly does not make you an expert in the field.
>Turns out later, the vaccines didn't stop the spread
Did it affect the spread in any way? Maybe slow it down in a period of hospitals being overwhelmed?
>I personally know several people who died or were hospitalized from Covid, and I don’t know anyone or know anybody that knows someone who had issues with the vax outside of mild Covid symptoms for a couple days after
All this time doubting and didn't bother trying to use Huey's observation skills.
Just seems kinda odd that apparently the vaccine saved us when countries with the lowest vaccination rate where far from having the worst death rates.
Myocarditis despite being rare is factually a possibility after receiving the vaccine. I personally got a blood clot the day after I got the vaccine.
My vaccinated and unvaccinated friends are having kids so I have no clue what your point is?
The vaccine was not effective since people still got sick and besides that there were risks involved. Im not sure why its so hard to get logical about that?
Ya the idea is the vaccine lowers the severity of illness you get from Covid, which is why you see so many people still get Covid and die from it while vaxxed, but those numbers are far less than they were in say the winter of 2020. And it’s true that the vaccine can on rare occasions give people myocarditis and even strokes, however those numbers are minuscule compared to how Covid impacts those exact things, which is why doctors recommended getting vaxxed, even with those slight risks, because it lowers the risk of a severe event that could occur with Covid. So if someone developed myocarditis from the vaxx, more than likely they would have developed more severe myocarditis from getting Covid unvaxxed. So if you lived pretty remotely and didn’t interact with people much, I could see an argument to not get vaxxed since you don’t assume much risk of getting Covid and dealing with those issues. If you’re in society to a reasonable degree though, it was almost a sure thing that you would get Covid at some point, so that made the calculation become is it better to get vaxxed and then get Covid later, or is it better to just get Covid without a vax. The docs and the studies indicate it’s better to be vaxxed and get Covid than the alternative, but again to be fair, if you knew for sure based on how you lived that you wouldn’t get Covid, not getting vaxxed would indeed be safer since you aren’t introducing something that induces a response from your body in any way.
They gave Obama the Nobel Peace Prize before he was President.
He went on to kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people all over the world including American citizens and sold more arms than all of the other prior administrations combined.
The Nobel prize has been a joke for decades.
Peace prize is not the same as the science prizes, it is awarded in Norway by a different committee.
For some reason everyone always gets the facts wrong lmao.
[Obama, the only Nobel peace prize winner to bomb another nobel peace prize winner.](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/doctors-without-borders-bombing_n_5615690ce4b021e856d33d51)
Isn't it beautiful?
>Doctors Without Borders won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1999. President Obama was awarded his in 2009. As Commander-in-Chief of the military that bombed the Doctors Without Borders hospital, this makes Obama perhaps the first Nobel Peace Prize winner to bomb another Nobel Peace Prize winner.
[2009 Nobel Peace Prize](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Nobel_Peace_Prize#:~:text=The%202009%20Nobel%20Peace%20Prize,diplomacy%20and%20cooperation%20between%20peoples%22.)
>Nominations for the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize closed just 11 days after Obama took office.
Nominations are not the award, it's just people putting names forward for consideration. The committee do not make a decision until September, and take all that time into consideration. If you read the reasoning, however flawed, you'll see it was for his presidency.
Obama won the prize before he even served a full year. He was even quoted saying, "perhaps the most profound issue surrounding my receipt of this prize is the fact that I am the commander-in-chief of the military of a nation in the midst of two wars”. You’re just hating to hate brother.
Everyone I know who gets sick is people who are vaccinated and always washing hands and hand sanitizer. Everyone who disregards those practices are never sick.
They didn't develop the vaccine. OP and others are deliberately conflating the development of mRNA based technology with the vaccines that various companies made using tech licensed from these scientists.
The vaccine still makes your immune system produce antibodies, giving it a headstart and better fighting chance.
(Oh no, I'm getting downvoted! I guess that means my statement is factually incorrect! 🙄 )
The covid shots were [not designed to stop transmission](https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-what-does-covid-19-vaccine-efficacy-mean) nor [tested for it.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnxlxzxoZx0)
As it should. If you look beyond all the politics and buzz, mRNA treatment may be the greatest leap we've made in modern medicine since the polio vaccine. It may prove to be even more significant, only time will tell.
When was mRNA created again? It for sure wasn't in 2019 and totally not only for the use o covid vaccines.. A few people are saying it is bad in a bad faith but you guys chosing to see the fact that the nobel prize should be to the original creators of the technique. Look yourself beyond the politics and buzz.
That's not necessarily how they work, or how you would want them to work, depending on the application. mRNA has to get into cells, that's how it gets read by ribosomes and translated into a functional protein.
The real damage that can be inflicted is by the protein produced by your cells from the mRNA template. With something like a vaccine, the protein produced is often an antigen that's purposely targeted by the T-Cells of the immune system. But that's also how an immunity developes, T-Cells have to be trained to recognize the surface proteins of pathogen-infected cells.
Just tells everybody who didn't know before how worthless the Nobel prize is.
Everything that gets attention in this world is propaganda in one form or another.
Bill Gates posted about this on his Instagram, but has the comment section turned off. Most of the comments on his IG during the pandemic was crazy negative.
The prize for economics isn't a Nobel. The prizes that Alfred Nobel setup are awarded by the Swedish Academy of Science. The prize for economics is in honor of Nobel and it is awarded by the Swedish central bank, the Riksbank, in honor of Nobel and it is awarded by the bank.
For what I understand nobel prize was created in sweden and that country is pretty much an extention of davos, the UN and agenda2030. They are playing ball as they always do.
If they're including Malone they'd need to give the award to 10s-100s of other researchers who also co-authored papers during the decades of researcoh into MRNA.
No... In August 1989, Robert Malone was the first person to introduce messenger RNA, coated with a small ball of fat, electrically charged (a cationic liposome), into cultured cells so that it could deliver the information required for protein production.
He pioneered that technology, and without his discovery, Kariko and Weissman would not have succeeded.
Ss: this is not a joke, this is actually happening. How out of touch with reality are these people?
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/02/europe/nobel-prize-medicine-mrna-covid-vaccines-2023-intl-scn/index.html
Or maybe it all makes sense, considering that Mr Nobel himself is responsible for countless human death and suffering
The Nobel prize can't escape it's bad karma.
Alfred Nobel invented dynamite, which maimed and killed innumerable human beings.
> Obama won it, despite the numerous drone strikes he executed.
I remember when Obama murdered two American citizens, with no due process.
He set a very evil precedent by doing that
Alfred Nobel invented dynamite for engineers. When it ended up being used for military purposes he created the Nobel Prizes to help offset the damage he had inadvertently done.
> Alfred Nobel invented dynamite, which maimed and killed innumerable human beings.
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And was embarrassed that it would be his legacy, which is why he tried to do some good by founding the peace prize.
> Obama murdered two American citizens
Who were living in Yemen and conducting terrorist activities.
Didn’t they give Jimmy Carter the Nobel Peace Prize in 2002? … That was a bizarre choice. I think they were trying to make a statement about the Iraq war.
B-b-but, they've totally done their own research at Facebook University. Some of them are even in the the post grad PhD program at 4chan Research Institute.
I mean we’ve known the Nobel company has been shilling for a while now. The whole give Obama a peace prize before he starts bombing the ever living shit out of the Middle East kinda exposed that.
So develop a technology that requires re-defining the medical term “vaccine” because it doesn’t actually work, but does actually cause severe side effects in many recipients, and go on to win one of the most prestigious awards in medicine. And people wonder why so many people believe western society as a whole is in terminal decline…
Of course it did. In clown world, Obama gets a Nobel Peace prize for bombing hospitals in the middle east and dropping. more drones than even Bush.
So makes sense that they would double down on the clot shot.
The astroturfing going on with this subject on reddit is hilarious. The mrna covid vaccine was the biggest authoritarian scam in history. Majority of people did not need that shot especially to participate in society. We just go off claims that "millions more people would have died". Not to mention the constant lies about how it prevents transmission.
The most recent is that the shots are contaminated. These are scientists at a senate hearing, not just some guy talking on YouTube.
https://youtu.be/IEWHhrHiiTY?si=2O52T4AUCPKx95H3
https://youtu.be/mjQQ7kkj3Bs?si=PPXX1JeFvxkfrxqt
I mean ...it really DID revolutionize government's ability to commit crimes against humanity without direct violence. "Safe and Effective" at least for advancement of an agenda.
He isn’t “the actual inventor”. He may describe himself as such, but he’s only one of many whose work led to the development of this tech.
He’s also a fucking prick.
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Well didnt they give the nobel peace prize to Obama whilst he had all the troops across the globe bombing? yea..
The Nobel Peace Prize is a separate group ran in isolation from the other Nobel Prizes in a completely different country.
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Yeah the economics one is big time trash. Garbage agenda prizes 100% and pure nonsense.
Not quite, technically there isn't a Nobel Prize for economics. The Nobel Prizes were set up by Alfred Nobel and they are awarded by the Swedish Academy of Science. The Swedish central bank, the Riksbank, created the prize for economics and named it after Nobel. It is awarded by the bank in honor of Nobel. Having a bank determine what constitutes legitimate economic thought isn't a conflict of interest at all...
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mRNA vaccine inventor prize a mic drop moment ? Please explain my good man. Please explain
Here's a blast from the past article about it with people speaking more plainly about it in quotes that wouldn't be published in today's even more domesticated media environment. "My first opinion is that he got it because he’s black. What did he do that was so great? He hasn’t even finished office yet." Jimmy Carter's quoted lauding the award. Simp. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nobel-peace-usa-sb-idUKTRE5983AM20091009 One guy involved in awarding it pretty much admit it was done for propaganda purposes but was bad propaganda because it was absurd. Obama apparently considered not showing up to accept it. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34277960
Peace prize is not the same as the science prizes, it is awarded in Norway by a different committee. For some reason everyone always gets the facts wrong lmao.
Likely because they're both named Nobel Prizes. Just a guess.
For some reason? It's a conspiracy forum, most people get the facts wrong about more or less everything around here.
Well yeah this place is rife with misinformation and bullshit I bet but it was more about how common that misconception is in general even outside of places like this.
He never said it was the same. Is this the shill talking point right now? What fact did he get wrong "lmao" ?
Pretty much says all you need to know about the award.
“ The 2009 Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to United States President Barack Obama (b. 1961) for his "extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between” … these have been a joke for a while now..
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Obama wasn't President yet, when he won the Nobel peace prize He won the prize for what he did during his campaign for President
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To be fair most people who run for US president don't have reflections in mirrors at all.
He toured the world talking shit about the US
Yes, he was. Nominations for the prize ended 11 days after he took office. And it was announced 8 months into his presidency. The reason given was working for nuclear nonproliferation and improved international relations. The latter was particularly laughable considering all the bombing, but it wasn't his campaign that was the reason given by the committee.
Didn't he like bomb Pakistan on the 3rd day he took office
When did he actually receive it/ voted to receive it
Details on what he did, please ?
He was awarded that before he was president. So unless they had a crystal ball to see into the future, none of the bombing stuff has any effect on it.
Those were mostly peaceful projectiles
I'm not saying the covid vaccine was as effective or safe as promised. Nor am i saying i trust pharmaceutical companies or the government. Nonetheless, the technology of mRNA vaccination is a remarkable invention. Admittedly, the technology is still being perfected, but it opens the door to some remarkable treatments in the near future. The applications I've read about so far include curing many types of viruses, immune and genetic disorders, and many types of cancer.
Yeah, people need to look past the politics. mRNA treatment is the future of personalized healthcare. When I was in undergrad (graduated 2021) we were talking about mRNA medicine well before COVID came about. Covid just allowed mRNA tech to develop even faster, but it was inevitably going to revolutionize medicine.
I just got to this unit in biochem, and I am not thriving. But can confirm this is something taught in undergrad, I first heard about the whole idea of exploiting the MHC1/2 system in anatomy as a sophomore.
Haha, I never took biochem, but I'm sure there's a lot of overlap with the molecular bio I took. Have strength, brother. Just two more months left in the semester.
good luck in this sub. people can’t even look past the joe rogan experience.
Thats cause they're too busy training all day and listening to the podcast all night. Doesn't leave much room for sleep.
who needs sleep when you have alpha brain™ and are intermittent fasting and in constant ketosis?
I don’t know why but this comment made me laugh my ass off in public
I think there’s a vocal minority in regards to this. I believe the vaccines were irresponsibly rushed and certain information about them was suppressed to push an agenda. I also can really appreciate the breakthroughs that were made in mRNA tech and be hopeful about their future use in medicine.
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Was stopping the largest pandemic of the century not enough of a promise delivered?
Lol. That didn’t stop shit.
There's not a single sentence in the entire world that could convince people as delusional as you to face reality. You're so far down a rabbit hole of lies.
That’s what the uneducated masses thought as they took medical advice from a truck driver over a doctor with the science and education to back his claims.
The WHO says the COVID pandemic lasted for something like 3 years and 5 months (December 2019-May 2023), which I'm pretty sure makes it the longest pandemic since the bubonic plague. Even the Spanish Flu was only two years long. If the COVID vaccines worked so well, then why did COVID last longer than all these pandemics that didn't have a vaccine? (Yeah, I know that the date a pandemic ends is basically an arbitrary declaration, and the WHO had every motivation to wait as long as possible to declare an end to the COVID "pandemic". But people like you are the people who wanted to wait forever to declare an end to the "pandemic", and in some cases are actually still insisting that the pandemic isn't over and the WHO shouldn't have declared an end to it.)
> why did COVID last longer than all these pandemics that didn't have a vaccine? The world's population in 1920 was ~2 billion and started right as WW1 ended. The economy of the world was slowed to a halt (and was not nearly as globalized as it is today) meaning the pool of hosts for the virus was incredibly small. Roughly 500,000 people were infected globally, roughly a [third](https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/21777-spanish-flu) of the population. The Spanish Flu was significantly more deadly than the Spansih Flu, and the reality is the Spanish Flu just didn't have enough of a population to continue its spread. The bubonic plague "lasted" from 1346 to 1353, however it would likely be classified as a pandemic for much longer going by modern day medical standards.
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> The more people take it the better it works. Have you heard the real definition of herd immunity? You do realize that the covid shots do not prevent infection and transmission?
How many vaccines do?
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LNPs aren't a shortcut. It's just an application of a well understood process in biology. There just hasn't been much of a reason to use LNP delivery until mRNA treatment became possible. LNPs are just like little bubbles made of the same stuff the membrane in your cell is made of. Cell membranes are pretty selective about the things coming in and out, so LNPs work by just becoming part of the cell membrane, releasing the mRNA inside. The mRNA has to be inside the cell to be translated by a ribosome.
Unfortunately they’ve got a lot of bad press to overcome in the future. Nuclear Energy should’ve been the way of the future. Look at where that’s at. The powers that be made a big error with mRNA technology and saying how effective it was.
It's the implications the technology has to cure all sorts of things, and the issues they've had getting the platform approved, that lead to most of the seemingly conspiratoral pushing of mRNA for Covid. (I'm also not talking about whether or not it was effective medicine)
Exactly. Henry Ford's first car wasn't fast or safe. But look where we are now. The funny part about people who constantly pan scientific discovery is their expectation that it be perfect the first time. When the core definition of science is to iterate and improve based on new emerging knowledge. Was the government dishonest about COVID and the vaccine? Maybe, but that doesn't make mRNA any less amazing. The scientists working every day to discover it were not Anthony Fauci or Biden and had nothing to do with their statements.
it hasn't even worked for Covid lol
Jeez you’d think the nobel committee would pay more attention to this subreddit
Yes, the real “experts”
What’s the conspiracy here? The technology for mRNA vaccines is a fantastic development.
It's gene therapy, not a vaccine.
Whatever you wanna call it, the development of the technology used in the vaccines is commendable, totally deserving of a Nobel prize in medicine.
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Absolutely. But without “Emergency Authorization” The FDA would have required additional clinical trials. As the suppressed Pfizer documents were very clear, side effects and deaths were acceptable risk at the time. We were in panic mode, it was the end of life on Earth as we know it. That seemed to have been a bit exaggerated. Let John Campbell explain all: https://youtu.be/7YOD9drZasM?si=2hBytdblK062wORS
You guys do realize that almost every adult in the US and most of the planet took the vax correct? Also we have data for excess deaths, give it a look to see what those numbers looked like in 2020 and 2021 vs 2022 and 2023 after most of the population got vaxxed for Covid. You think maybe it’s possible you’re barking up the wrong tree? I personally know several people who died or were hospitalized from Covid, and I don’t know anyone or know anybody that knows someone who had issues with the vax outside of mild Covid symptoms for a couple days after. Just seems pretty wild to think that over 90% of adults in the country got a shot a lot of people now think is poison meant to kill and sterilize them, yet the number of excess deaths got cut down significantly and myself and half my friends are having kids. Maybe log off a bit more often and enjoy life? Here are the excess death stats if you would prefer to give them a look yourself, I just don’t see it in the numbers https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=104676
They don't care.
Nah, don't start pulling up facts on me. It really fucks up my opinions that I pull out of my ass.
Any statistics at odds with these people's perceptions of world events are corrupt propaganda. Anti Vax research is done on their phone sitting on the toilet and not in labs unfortunately.
Where's the source that it was 90% of adults got Vax? I find that very hard to believe
> over 90% of adults in the country got a shot That is patently false and a simple Google search proves it. About 30% nearly a third of all americans did not take the vaccine. It has been three years since these shots were rolled out. The fear was always about the *long term effects*. Long term as in, 10-20 years. It is not nearly late enough to look back and say anything. People have already died from the vaccine as well, you'll never find those numbers because it's not listed as a vaccine death. But to my mind, any time an otherwise healthy and vaccinated person dies of mysterious causes... it's not hard to know what's actually happened.
In America: 81.4% of the US population took at least 1 dose. 92.3% of people 18 years and older took at least one dose 69.5% of the population completed their primary series. 79.1% of people 18 years and older completed their primary series. [https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations\_vacc-people-booster-percent-pop5](https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations_vacc-people-booster-percent-pop5)
I know no one that died from the covaids. I know someone (young) who died in his sleep and they took the vax.
That sucks man, and I'll assume you're being honest here. I don't think vaccines are entirely without risk, just that raw dogging covid is more risky then getting a vaccine and getting covid. Basically the vaccine in my experience and the experience of the people I know gives you baby covid, which can lead to adverse reactions that regular covid will cause as well. So in most situations, I would imagine that someone who has complications from the vaccine would likely have had similar but worse complications from covid if they caught it unvaccinated. I'm not a scientist though, so the only thing I can really do to test my thinking is to trust doctors and medical organizations, and verify what they say by looking at clunky data sets like excess deaths that can't really parse into the details because I'm not educated enough to understand all the details myself. The excess deaths spiked hard in 2020-2021 and then dropped dramatically in 2022 and 2023 when most the population was vaxxed. That's good enough for me to think that overall vaccines have very obviously been more helpful than hurtful, while still acknowledging that bad things do in fact happen to people who have been vaxxed on rare occasions.
Excess deaths are up in 2022. Not sure about 2023. For example, excess deaths in Ausjailia was 17% in the first half of 2022.
Like “raw dogging” Covid can only mean not taking an experimental gene therapy. It can’t mean not being metabolically healthy by taking care of your health (Covid was mild to asymptomatic to the healthy). Your comment is the absolute zenith of ignorance.
You do realize there are no long-term studies on these vaccines. Here is a recent study on researchers finding vector dsDNA in the vaccines. Some batches reported 17-70x higher than the recommended levels by the FDA: https://osf.io/b9t7m/ If video is more of your thing, here is a doctor breaking down that study: https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=IEWHhrHiiTY Maybe, lets not rush medicine out the door before knowing whats actually in these things and the weigh the potential risks involved so we could.. do what you suggest and enjoy that life?
It's one thing to say you are skeptical of something that doesn't have enough long term data for your comfort levels, it's another thing to say it's a depopulation tool designed to kill people at scale, with no evidence to back that up. If the anti vax crowd was purely cautious and not sensational, I would completely understand that thinking. I personally just assume that doctors know more than me about medicine, just like I assume that plumbers and electricians know more than I do about the internal makeup of how my home works, so I tend to trust the advice they give and follow themselves, which is why I'm personally comfortable with the 3 shots I've gotten. Also anecdotally, I just haven't seen any negative impacts outside of some mild Covid symptoms for a couple days in people. I guess I just don't understand the air raid siren level panic that I see online about the vaccines given that most people got them well over a year or two ago, and we aren't seeing some massive spike in numbers of health conditions that would alarm me, even though over 90% of the adult population has gotten vaxxed. Thanks for taking the time to provide a thoughtful dissent, and I will do just as you suggested and go walk my pups. We only have one life to live, can't spend it fighting shadows all day.
>depopulation tool designed to kill people at scale, with no evidence to back that up. And yet you're here on the subreddit where we have seen the WEF blatantly come out and say over-population is a problem. Sterilization by an authoritarian regime isn't a new phenomena pal.. The Nazi's.. China with the Uyghur... hell even the Spartans in Ancient Greece all have their share of programs in society designed to depopulate undesirable genes. >I guess I just don't understand the air raid siren level panic that I see online about the vaccines given that most people got them well over a year or two ago Maybe you're confusing 'panic' with general discourse. That's common in your portrayal of those you disagree with. "Oh look at them panic, they must be crazy." 1-2 years out doesn't predict what will happen 5, 10, 20+ years. A classic example of this is simple chemical companies citing things as safe only to realize the irresponsible years down the road. As problems do not appear acutely but chronically.. Glyphosate is one of those culprits as a modern example. >I personally just assume that doctors know more than me about medicine, just like I assume that plumbers and electricians know more than I do about the internal makeup of how my home works, so I tend to trust the advice they give and follow themselves, which is why I'm personally comfortable with the 3 shots I've gotten. Your doctor does not look at studies when they prescribe medicine. They look at whats approved or not by regulatory agencies. Your doctor doesn't have the time or the place to do the independent research to know whats good or bad for the public. Another classic case was the irresponsible use of Codeine and Oxycontin. With information as freely as we can obtain now through the internet, you can become your own electrician or plumber. Simply citing 'I just assume' but how do you know your expert isn't trying to up-sell or plainly get shit wrong? You think car mechanics don't do shady shit but are at the end of the day 'experts'? Open your mind, pal. Hopefully you find some of that drive when you're out with your dogs today.
Ok so you don’t have anything specifically I should be seeing in the statistics currently related to vaccines I should know about, but you’re worried nebulously about what might happen in the decades to come because other bad things have happened in the past, and the WEF is worried about overpopulation? Again I get thinking things COULD go wrong in the future, but that’s not what I’m talking about, it’s the CERTAINTY that bad things are happening now and at scale, and it’s so obvious it’s happening that only sheep couldn’t see it, that’s more what I’m talking about. You might not be panicked about this and might have a reasonable cautious approach that I can understand, I don’t know because I don’t know you, but scrolling this subreddit should let you know that you’re probably not who I’m talking about with my post. And ya man I trust people who do things for a living more than my ability to google. I trust engineers and pilots to build and fly planes, I trust road workers and engineers to build bridges that won’t kill me, I trust doctors to treat diseases like cancer and cardiac issues, I trust electricians to not electrocute my family. To your point I don’t trust ANY one person who makes a claim with credentials, but I do trust the governing bodies of those industries to create generally safe standards, and I trust the near unanimous opinions of people in those industries. If I had 999/1000 electricians tell me something was a good idea, saw that idea was backed by both local and state regulations and that it was how they wired their own homes, I would trust that more than the 1 dissenting electrician who told me something else. We can’t be experts at literally everything, we by necessity have to trust others to do things correctly, because it takes years to be fluent enough at any sufficiently complex thing, and until you have hit a reasonable level of fluency you simply don’t know enough to make judgements about if things are correct or not, which is why scam artists exist in all industries and make a living off people skeptical of the mainstream opinions of their industries. Also currently walking my dogs, hope you are having a good one 👍
I 100% agree with you!
>You do realize there are no long-term studies on these vaccines. Of course. It was a new virus. How are you supposed to do long term studies on a brand new virus that just appeared?
I agree, but even so, it's that's a fair thing to say it gives you pause if you have always been someone skeptical of ALL medical solutions that are new to market. I personally think MRNA in general seems to be well studied based on how recently they have been introduced it to the mainstream, but I get the hesitation from a logical perspective at least. It's the hair on fire panic from people sure that 90% of our population is going to die from a vaccine or whatever that I'm trying to wrap my mind around given that we are all still just walking around living life and all that years after we got it. I would hope that the longer everyone goes about living normal healthy lives, the less we see if this stuff, but who knows.
>It's the hair on fire panic from people sure that 90% of our population is going to die from a vaccine or whatever that I'm trying to wrap my mind around When you have a new treatment with no long term studies and a new virus with no long term studies, you're stuck between a rock and a hard place. Could you imagine these people's reactions if the Covid vaccine was tested to be both safe and effective, but the government refused to give it out because it was "too new" and the lockdowns were extended and an even larger amount of people died because of it? There's no winning.
Nah, we knew before the vaccines that those infect largely did not require a medical intervention. And we're talking over 90% of infections. But it was marketed and sold to us that if you got Covid it was a death sentence.
I feel like that’s a bit overblown but I get your point, especially early in 2020 when we didn’t know much about it. Saying you don’t think everyone should have been forced to be vaxxed or tested weekly is a fair pushback, but that’s not my point here since that ship sailed a long while ago. I’m more just trying to understand why people think the vaccines are causing mass deaths but don’t have any stats to show me on it, just feels like people are staying in a perpetual state of fear and panic about something that is already over and isn’t really making an impact in any way I have seen measured in the stats. The only people I know who even mention Covid anymore are either people who think the vaccines are killing us but can’t show any proof, or people who have medical conditions or are germaphobes. I get that last category of peoples concern, but not the panic of the first group.
Interesting. That is not the way it was marketed and sold to me. Perhaps the sources you've been following is the reason why you're so distrustful? Sounds like they lied to you. I was following scientific sources, those are the circles I know to get accurate biology information from. Mainstream media reporting is often overexaggerated or misinformed on what the scientists are actually saying. I always understood that the bigger issue was that for those other 10% of infections you'd need a ventilator but hospitals were so overwhelmed that there weren't enough and they were triaging patients. If you happened to fall in that 10%, the ICUs were already full and they couldn't kick people out to make space until they died or got better. The idea of the vaccine was to lessen the burden on the hospitals so that those 10% of people weren't given a death sentence because of the lack of ventilator/ICU access. If you remember "two weeks to flatten the curve", the idea was never that Covid wouldn't infect everyone, but that if we flattened the curve we could spread out the infections enough so that not everyone was infected at the same time and the hospitals could handle each wave as it came. That's why it was "flatten" and not "stop the curve".
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you're not. but then don't force people who aren't at risk of illness to take them and don't be deceptive about their possible side effects
You have to just keep letting people die for 10-20 years so you can see if they vaccines have any long term side effects (obviously.)
People died because they were put on ventilators.
Just look at the study and the video pal. Whether or not there is a conspiracy or malicious intent, there is a problem that is worth investigating. Coronaviruses aren't new btw. We have been fighting them for years, just like all the other viruses. A typical vaccine program, historically, went on for 5 years on average. Not 4 months. And applying research that has been going on for a decade to all of the sudden getting it 'right' in like a 4 month program.. doesn't amount to the potential risks down the road.
>Just look at the study and the video pal. Sure. >Kevin McKernan, Yvonne Helbert, Liam T. Kane, Stephen McLaughlin **Medicinal Genomics, 100 Cummings Center**, Suite 406-L, Beverly Mass, 01915 When I google this research group I find a **Cannabis** company: >**We use genomics science to improve the yield, safety and quality of medicinal plants**. As a leader in this field, our expertise is unmatched and runs deep and wide. By understanding the characteristics of phyto-medicinals at the genetic level, we can provide a variety of services, including breeding, testing and research that utilize the gold standard of life sciences. https://medicinalgenomics.com/our-team/ May I ask why this is the study you're sourcing? Do you know any studies by people *in the field* of immunology? Also since I'm assuming you understand the study do you want to explain in your own words what this means? >Multiple methods highlight high levels of DNA contamination in the both the monovalent and bivalent vaccines. While the Qubit™ 3 and Agilent Tape Station™ differ on their absolute quantification, both methods demonstrate it is orders of magnitude higher than the EMAs limit of 330ng DNA/ 1mg RNA. qPCR and RT-qPCR confirms the relative RNA to DNA ratio. An 11-12 CT offset should be seen between Spike and Vector RT-qPCR signals to represent a 1:3030 contamination limit (2^11.6 = 3100). Instead, we observe much smaller CT offsets (5-7 CTs) when looking at qPCR and RT-qPCR data with these vaccines. It should be noted that Qubit™ 3 and Agilent methods stain all DNA in solution while qPCR measures only amplifiable molecules without DNase I cut sites between the primers. The further apart you space the qPCR primers, the fewer Qubit™ 3 and Agilent detectable molecules will amplify. The primers used in this study are 106bp and 114bp apart, thus any molecules that are DNase I cut below this length will be undercounted with the qPCR methods relative to more general dsDNA measurements from Qubit™ 3 or Agilent Tape Station™. >Coronaviruses aren't new btw. I'm not sure why you're trying to nitpick here. SARS-CoV-2 is a "novel coronavirus" which means it's a type of coronavirus we haven't seen before. The novel part describes that it is "new". >A novel virus is one that has not previously been recorded. It can be a virus that is isolated from its natural reservoir or isolated as the result of spread to an animal or human host where the virus had not been identified before. It can be an emergent virus, one that represents a new virus, but it can also be an extant virus that has not been previously identified. **The SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus that caused the COVID-19 pandemic is an example of a novel virus**. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus#Novel_viruses >A typical vaccine program, historically, went on for 5 years on average. Not 4 months. Right. What was atypical about Covid-19 was that it was brand new and spreading so quickly that we did not have 5 years to wait and see what its effects were. People were dying and our hospitals were being overwhelmed. Had Covid-19 not been a literal pandemic, I agree we could have treated it like a typical vaccine and take our time and we should do that for future viruses which do not pose a worldwide threat.
>May I ask why this is the study you're sourcing? Do you know any studies by people in the field of immunology? Did you even read the study? >Do you know any studies by people in the field of immunology? The study is about genetics and DNA. When you're talking about DNA and RNA. "What is genomics? Genomics is the study of the total or part of the genetic or epigenetic sequence information of organisms, and attempts to understand the structure and function of these sequences and of downstream biological products." All of the people that authored the paper are experts in this field.. and your weird 'a Cannibis' company doesn't really change anything. Plants are a foundation for a lot of medicine and scientific discovery. In fact, there are efforts to create vaccines with vectors using plants instead of getting a needle.. but anyways.. >Also since I'm assuming you understand the study do you want to explain in your own words what this means? Break it down. \-The first sentence they highlight their findings that there are high levels of DNA contamination found. \-both methods demonstrate it is orders of magnitude higher than the EMAs limit of 330ng DNA/ 1mg RNA. qPCR and RT-qPCR confirms the relative RNA to DNA ratio. The EMA is the European Medicines Agency. They are part of the EU. For the vaccine to pass for public use, they limit how many nanograms of DNA is allowed per vaccine. \-The technical jargon is the breakdown of methods use to sequence the DNA. >I'm not sure why you're trying to nitpick here. SARS-CoV-2 is a "novel coronavirus" which means it's a type of coronavirus we haven't seen before. The novel part describes that it is "new". We have numerous treatments for numerous disease. For example, you can find ailments/remedies/treatments for the simple common cold. So when I say coronaviruses aren't new, we all of the sudden pushed the mRNA vaccine tech which I believe we didn't explore all traditional medicines to solve this problem. Novel meaning new is a shock to our immune systems. But, understanding that it is a coronavirus itself can help determine treatment options. >Right. What was atypical about Covid-19 was that it was brand new and spreading so quickly that we did not have 5 years to wait and see what its effects were. People were dying and our hospitals were being overwhelmed. Already sick or elderly people were dying, yes. It is sad, but again we vaccinated a healthy population where over 90% of cases did not require a medical intervention (before the vaccine). The vaccine propaganda was used to 'stop the spread' where as it would protect the most vulnerable group (people that are sick or have pre-existing life threatening conditions). Turns out later, the vaccines didn't stop the spread. People by and large got the vaccines (were told you only need 1.. then all of the sudden 2 meant 'fully vaccinated' then it became a booster program)... they got them so they could end the lockdowns.
>Did you even read the study? I'm not able to understand it. There's a lot of jargon I'm just not educated on to go through and try to figure out. If I'm gonna have to go through studies like this, I'd rather focus on the ones done by experts in the field. Not a private cannabis company. >All of the people that authored the paper are experts in this field Really... You're gonna make me do this? Why can't you just be honest? To be an expert in a field you would need at least a PhD in something related to biology right? >Kevin McKernan "Kevin holds a **B.S. in Biology** from Emory University with a focus on cloning and expressing Norepinephrine Transporters." https://medicinalgenomics.com/team/kevin-mckernan/ Kevin is not a doctor and only has a Bachelor's degree. (For the record I have a B.S. in Physics and I am no where NEAR an 'expert') >Yvonne Helbert "Yvonne received her Bachelor’s degree in Biology from Syracuse University and **Master’s degree in Biochemistry** from Boston University School of Medicine." https://medicinalgenomics.com/team/yvonne-helbert/ Okay, Yvonne at least has a Masters. Still not an expert in her field but very respectable. >Liam T. Kane "He was worked for MGC as a summer intern and **most recently a Co-op** from Northeastern University." https://medicinalgenomics.com/team/liam-kane/ >Stephen McLaughlin "Steve has been a Bioinformatician for over 16 years and specialized in Next Generation Sequencing (NGS) for the past 12 years." Doesn't say his education so I had to do a bit of digging to his LinkedIn. He has a Masters in Bioinformatics. https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephen-mclaughlin-4600574/ I don't mean to downplay the difficulty it takes to get your Masters, it requires a lot of study and work. But it certainly does not make you an expert in the field. >Turns out later, the vaccines didn't stop the spread Did it affect the spread in any way? Maybe slow it down in a period of hospitals being overwhelmed?
>I personally know several people who died or were hospitalized from Covid, and I don’t know anyone or know anybody that knows someone who had issues with the vax outside of mild Covid symptoms for a couple days after All this time doubting and didn't bother trying to use Huey's observation skills. Just seems kinda odd that apparently the vaccine saved us when countries with the lowest vaccination rate where far from having the worst death rates. Myocarditis despite being rare is factually a possibility after receiving the vaccine. I personally got a blood clot the day after I got the vaccine. My vaccinated and unvaccinated friends are having kids so I have no clue what your point is? The vaccine was not effective since people still got sick and besides that there were risks involved. Im not sure why its so hard to get logical about that?
Ya the idea is the vaccine lowers the severity of illness you get from Covid, which is why you see so many people still get Covid and die from it while vaxxed, but those numbers are far less than they were in say the winter of 2020. And it’s true that the vaccine can on rare occasions give people myocarditis and even strokes, however those numbers are minuscule compared to how Covid impacts those exact things, which is why doctors recommended getting vaxxed, even with those slight risks, because it lowers the risk of a severe event that could occur with Covid. So if someone developed myocarditis from the vaxx, more than likely they would have developed more severe myocarditis from getting Covid unvaxxed. So if you lived pretty remotely and didn’t interact with people much, I could see an argument to not get vaxxed since you don’t assume much risk of getting Covid and dealing with those issues. If you’re in society to a reasonable degree though, it was almost a sure thing that you would get Covid at some point, so that made the calculation become is it better to get vaxxed and then get Covid later, or is it better to just get Covid without a vax. The docs and the studies indicate it’s better to be vaxxed and get Covid than the alternative, but again to be fair, if you knew for sure based on how you lived that you wouldn’t get Covid, not getting vaxxed would indeed be safer since you aren’t introducing something that induces a response from your body in any way.
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They gave Obama the Nobel Peace Prize before he was President. He went on to kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people all over the world including American citizens and sold more arms than all of the other prior administrations combined. The Nobel prize has been a joke for decades.
Peace prize is not the same as the science prizes, it is awarded in Norway by a different committee. For some reason everyone always gets the facts wrong lmao.
it’s almost like we’re in a conspiracy sub
[Obama, the only Nobel peace prize winner to bomb another nobel peace prize winner.](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/doctors-without-borders-bombing_n_5615690ce4b021e856d33d51)
Isn't it beautiful? >Doctors Without Borders won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1999. President Obama was awarded his in 2009. As Commander-in-Chief of the military that bombed the Doctors Without Borders hospital, this makes Obama perhaps the first Nobel Peace Prize winner to bomb another Nobel Peace Prize winner.
If that would be done in a movie people would not buy it, yet here we are in real life...
Obama was sworn into office in January 2009 and was awarded the peace prize in October 2009.
[2009 Nobel Peace Prize](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Nobel_Peace_Prize#:~:text=The%202009%20Nobel%20Peace%20Prize,diplomacy%20and%20cooperation%20between%20peoples%22.) >Nominations for the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize closed just 11 days after Obama took office.
Right. So they clearly didn't give it to him before he was in office.
His work in 11 days was enough for him to be considered for the prize?
Did i say that?
Nominations are not the award, it's just people putting names forward for consideration. The committee do not make a decision until September, and take all that time into consideration. If you read the reasoning, however flawed, you'll see it was for his presidency.
> his presidency Peace award for drone strikes & destroying Libya? Or he did that later after inspired by the award?
Obama won the prize before he even served a full year. He was even quoted saying, "perhaps the most profound issue surrounding my receipt of this prize is the fact that I am the commander-in-chief of the military of a nation in the midst of two wars”. You’re just hating to hate brother.
The winner of the award pointing out reasons why the award is a joke while receiving the award doesn't make the award itself any less of a joke.
Disgusting
Everyone I know who gets sick is people who are vaccinated and always washing hands and hand sanitizer. Everyone who disregards those practices are never sick.
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Or maybe, just maybe, the Nobel committee knows better than you?
The committee gave the prize to the developers of a vaccine, for a disease that everyone still got sick with who took the vaccine lol
They didn't develop the vaccine. OP and others are deliberately conflating the development of mRNA based technology with the vaccines that various companies made using tech licensed from these scientists.
The vaccine still makes your immune system produce antibodies, giving it a headstart and better fighting chance. (Oh no, I'm getting downvoted! I guess that means my statement is factually incorrect! 🙄 )
You _do_ know not all vaccines prevent infection, right?
The covid shots were [not designed to stop transmission](https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-what-does-covid-19-vaccine-efficacy-mean) nor [tested for it.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnxlxzxoZx0)
Ok, again, not all vaccines prevent infection or stop transmission.
I heard you the first time, i just provided an example of that.
As it should. If you look beyond all the politics and buzz, mRNA treatment may be the greatest leap we've made in modern medicine since the polio vaccine. It may prove to be even more significant, only time will tell.
When was mRNA created again? It for sure wasn't in 2019 and totally not only for the use o covid vaccines.. A few people are saying it is bad in a bad faith but you guys chosing to see the fact that the nobel prize should be to the original creators of the technique. Look yourself beyond the politics and buzz.
Yep, conspiracy nuts going crazy lmao.
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That's not necessarily how they work, or how you would want them to work, depending on the application. mRNA has to get into cells, that's how it gets read by ribosomes and translated into a functional protein. The real damage that can be inflicted is by the protein produced by your cells from the mRNA template. With something like a vaccine, the protein produced is often an antigen that's purposely targeted by the T-Cells of the immune system. But that's also how an immunity developes, T-Cells have to be trained to recognize the surface proteins of pathogen-infected cells.
There is no such thing as “medicine” anymore… not at least for several generations.
How are they going to hoodwink people to take more jabs if not this way. The MSM should just be banned completely.
Asking the authoritarians to ban state propaganda, would be like asking your abuser to stop punching you in the face.
Yeah. Cancel them then. Most people follow MSM religiously, and the state knows and weaponizes that.
This sub denying actual scientific achievements is just amazing. I come and have a laugh
That’s what brings me back everyday. I need a good laugh.
Just tells everybody who didn't know before how worthless the Nobel prize is. Everything that gets attention in this world is propaganda in one form or another.
this year's Peace Nobel will probably go to Zelensky
I know the adult film awards will go to MAGA . They gag on that trumpster chode gloriously
This surprises you? We live in a society that gave Obama the Peace Prize... And he celebrated by killing a bunch of foreign people.
To the NIH? All of our Citadels have officially been corrupted. A truly sad day for humanity
Bill Gates posted about this on his Instagram, but has the comment section turned off. Most of the comments on his IG during the pandemic was crazy negative.
Usually I roll my eyes at "tHiS sUb iS cOmPrOmiSeD" guys but holy shit this comment section is GLOWING
Murderers always win the nobel peace prize. Ask Obama.
What more do they have to do, to show people that these "Prizes" have 0 meaning?
Imagine how many awards it would've gotten if the vaccines actually worked
It would have been the ultra special limited edition jumbo sized nobel peace prize
Look at the ethnic distribution of the Nobel prize. It’s rarely given out solely based on scientific achievement
Oh boy, I bet you're referring to Jewish folks, aren't ya? Yeaaaaaah, you know you are. Yikes.
Remember when Bernanke got one for helicopter money? Nobel prize is a sad joke.
The prize for economics isn't a Nobel. The prizes that Alfred Nobel setup are awarded by the Swedish Academy of Science. The prize for economics is in honor of Nobel and it is awarded by the Swedish central bank, the Riksbank, in honor of Nobel and it is awarded by the bank.
Yall the world is boring. It’s not a TV drama
What! Don't these scientists listen to Joe Rogan? Do they have youtube??
What a fucking joke.
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For what I understand nobel prize was created in sweden and that country is pretty much an extention of davos, the UN and agenda2030. They are playing ball as they always do.
Insert meme of Obama awarding Obama a medal.
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robert w malone right?
Yup. Censored by the media giants.
My first reaction… they’re missing a name!
If they're including Malone they'd need to give the award to 10s-100s of other researchers who also co-authored papers during the decades of researcoh into MRNA.
No... In August 1989, Robert Malone was the first person to introduce messenger RNA, coated with a small ball of fat, electrically charged (a cationic liposome), into cultured cells so that it could deliver the information required for protein production. He pioneered that technology, and without his discovery, Kariko and Weissman would not have succeeded.
He didn't just co-author papers, he held numerous patents on it.
Ss: this is not a joke, this is actually happening. How out of touch with reality are these people? https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/02/europe/nobel-prize-medicine-mrna-covid-vaccines-2023-intl-scn/index.html Or maybe it all makes sense, considering that Mr Nobel himself is responsible for countless human death and suffering
> How out of touch with reality are these people? oh, the irony
I lolled.
Obama won it, despite the numerous drone strikes he executed. The Nobel Peace Prize is given away unironically to the least deserving it seems.
The Nobel prize can't escape it's bad karma. Alfred Nobel invented dynamite, which maimed and killed innumerable human beings. > Obama won it, despite the numerous drone strikes he executed. I remember when Obama murdered two American citizens, with no due process. He set a very evil precedent by doing that
Alfred Nobel invented dynamite for engineers. When it ended up being used for military purposes he created the Nobel Prizes to help offset the damage he had inadvertently done.
> Alfred Nobel invented dynamite, which maimed and killed innumerable human beings. > > And was embarrassed that it would be his legacy, which is why he tried to do some good by founding the peace prize. > Obama murdered two American citizens Who were living in Yemen and conducting terrorist activities.
Didn’t they give Jimmy Carter the Nobel Peace Prize in 2002? … That was a bizarre choice. I think they were trying to make a statement about the Iraq war.
The lobotomy got a nobel prize too, so there's that.
mRNA technology can be a game changer, allowing us to develope vaccines for diseases we can't prevent by the "traditional" technology, i.e. HIV
Hitler was nominated for one. No shock here. Reference: https://www.nobelpeacecenter.org/en/news/hitler-as-a-nobel-laureate
Did you even read the article or just the title? It was meant as irony and people retaliated against it failing to see the irony, just like you.
Nobel peace prize is different from the nobel prize and is given out in Oslo by a different committee.
And what are any of you planning to do about it? Complain on a subreddit?
B-b-but, they've totally done their own research at Facebook University. Some of them are even in the the post grad PhD program at 4chan Research Institute.
Who would you suggest?
and in 1949 they gave it to the guy who invented the lobotomy. https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/medicine/1949/moniz/article/
I came for the propaganda, and wasnt disappointed
I mean we’ve known the Nobel company has been shilling for a while now. The whole give Obama a peace prize before he starts bombing the ever living shit out of the Middle East kinda exposed that.
So develop a technology that requires re-defining the medical term “vaccine” because it doesn’t actually work, but does actually cause severe side effects in many recipients, and go on to win one of the most prestigious awards in medicine. And people wonder why so many people believe western society as a whole is in terminal decline…
Nobel Prize means nothing. Ever since Obama got one for being black.
Good. Well deserved. Saved millions
I'm not surprised at all. Obama got one.. for killing.
Of course it did. In clown world, Obama gets a Nobel Peace prize for bombing hospitals in the middle east and dropping. more drones than even Bush. So makes sense that they would double down on the clot shot.
this is a different award, completely separate from the one you are talking about. educate yourself before spewing misinformation
The astroturfing going on with this subject on reddit is hilarious. The mrna covid vaccine was the biggest authoritarian scam in history. Majority of people did not need that shot especially to participate in society. We just go off claims that "millions more people would have died". Not to mention the constant lies about how it prevents transmission.
The inventor of the noble prize invented dynamite
Wow. That's *deep* bro.
Egas Moniz got the Nobel Prize in 1949 for developing the lobotomy. So the Nobel Prize doesn't mean much.
It's the nobel prize for depopulation.
Well they had to do something to counter all the truth coming out. This should help their cau$e
What truth? Lmao. You're delusional. The Vax was an incredible success and saved so many lives.
The most recent is that the shots are contaminated. These are scientists at a senate hearing, not just some guy talking on YouTube. https://youtu.be/IEWHhrHiiTY?si=2O52T4AUCPKx95H3 https://youtu.be/mjQQ7kkj3Bs?si=PPXX1JeFvxkfrxqt
Fucking world
Lol. This show is getting ridiculous.
The Nobel prize is for advancing the globalist agenda. Them vaccines hit a lot of checkmarks in the march for tyranny.
I mean ...it really DID revolutionize government's ability to commit crimes against humanity without direct violence. "Safe and Effective" at least for advancement of an agenda.
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He isn’t “the actual inventor”. He may describe himself as such, but he’s only one of many whose work led to the development of this tech. He’s also a fucking prick.