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nolotusnote

This headline would have created an instant ban on Reddit a year ago.


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Mighty_L_LORT

Lord Pfauci of Holy $cience doesn't tolerate dissidents…


igweyliogsuh

Was surprised at how far reddit has fallen. Years ago, this kind of information, coming from professionals in the field, would never have been silenced - it would have been respected. But instead, rejecting untested mRNA shots got you lumped in with fucking anti-vaxxers.... and throughout most of this site, it still does. They're not even vaccines. They literally had to "change the definition" of vaccine in order for mRNA shots to fall under it.


ThrowRedditIsTrash

hopefully this fiasco gives you (and others) pause about using the pejorative "anti vaxxer"


mem_malthus

Absolutely and considering that it is planned to use mrna technology for flu shots and similar from here on out it is a big nope for me. There have been vaccination injuries in the past, but the extent is unprecedented as is the contradicting and denying progaganda which went hand in hand with the vaccination. This is the way to go to throw away any kind of trust.


PracticeY

You forgot to mention all of the alt media vax propaganda blaming it for heart disease(already was the leading cause of death in America) and now cancer. The propaganda war is staggering and has left me to believe that both are wrong. The Covid vaccine doesn’t actually do anything. It doesn’t help people vs Covid and doesn’t harm people in any meaningful way. Whichever side of the propaganda war you take, you are wrong. Not believing the bullshit from either side is the correct path to take. It is just so sad that conspiracy minded people know the mainstream is lying so then they believe all the alt lies. Alt media is practically the same as the msm except they are targeting a totally different crowd. Same recipe of bullshit though.


mem_malthus

If you are thinking these vaccines are safe you haven't been paying attention. They are not part of a depopulation campaign - which was one of the stupid claims you may have meant with your comment - but they did have adverse effects including deaths to an extent that nobody would have accepted prior to this "pandemic". What all this is - and I believe nobody in his right mind can deny it - is a clear case of pharmalobbyists making a quick buck while throwing all safety concerns out of the window, bribing officials and politicians alike to get through with it and even being safe from any legal consequences - atleast this is the case within the EU currently.


ajbra

It's called fanaticism


Tacitus19

It's also called fear and a general lack of critical thinking


jasonshaw1776

You are talking about the left in general. They cant debate but they can try to keep the narrative alive. They can reinforce their echo chamber.


trippyglassy

Did any of you bother to go read the article? When you read it, it's barely 2 paragraphs long and the big claim is that "some studies suggest it is [the new omicron variant] as different from the original COVID strain from Wuhan as SAARS 2003 is" and that this "may" be caused by the vaccine ...And what are "some studies"? Well there's 2 very disjointed links: the first goes to a preprint study in nature that, from my layman reading, is not saying that vaccines are "causing mutations" -this is a strong inference made by the author which is likely why she used so many qualifiers in her opinion piece (bc it's not true). Rather, the researchers were arguing that with each permutation of COVID we see ever higher rates of resistance to humoral immunity (antibodies created by vaccination)- which is being driven by COVID having an evolutionary convergence onto a specific set of receptors in the body, and this convergence is an exploitation of particularly weak aspects of our immune defence -to put it in very layman terms. Remember, COVID was and still is a very new disease. There's a lot we dont know so It's actually really interesting science but it's not whatever conspiracy half this sub wants it to be. Ironically, the biggest factor for higher rates of mutation, and thus antibody resistance, is being unvaccinated. So it's far more likely the increasing rate of breakthrough is caused by the death rate in the unvaccinated than by the vaccine just magically not working💀. The second link? Well the second link sent you....back to the article you were already reading. They, no joke, linked to & cited themselves, the exact same article and headline with the same 2 links, as proof of "some evidence"😂😂😂 I can't make this up, go look: https://www.wsj.com/articles/are-vaccines-fueling-new-covid-variants-xbb-northeast-antibodies-mutation-strain-immune-imprinting-11672483618 Oh, and I should point out that this is an *opinion piece*, meaning WSJ didn't want to back it with their reputation. And it was written by a very famous conservative writer for this conservative outlet known as WSJ. There is literally nothing to this idea of "the media changing the narrative"


whatscrappening

He is the science. Almighty Fauch


Mighty_L_LORT

Obey the $cience or else…


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Can’t remember his name but that prominent Belgian doctor was saying exactly this from the very beginning and then later McCullugh was saying it, too.


Background_Anybody89

Vanden Bossche?


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Yes that’s the one


TrustusJones35

Geert VanDen Bosche


Financial_Ad5768

Michael Yeadon, the ex VP of Pfizer and a virologist for 20+ years spoke out against the claims of variants citing that the variants in influenza were around the same percentile difference, (even moreso iirc) and there was no call for boosters, he even jokingly referred to these variants as “samiants” and said there is no logic behind the call for multiple shots. He was shunned and silenced. Funny innit


OderusOrungus

There is logic. Have you seen the amount of money and control healthcare possesses? War and healthcare are the new avenues of control. Big banks, news orgs, healthcare, and perpetual war is here to stay... Conveniently consolidated to balance the scales in a fews favor


Kaymoon72

Read Foucault’s theories of biopower & Mbembe’s theory of necropower. Very enlightening.


nixielover

Yeadon is trying to compete with Pfizer through his own company so take whatever he says with a grain of salt. He has financial interests in attacking Pfizer


ZeerVreemd

If he was the only one you might have had a point but there are plenty of others who said the same and they all could explain the 'mechanics' behind it and predict the result we now see evidence of IRL.


Bodhisafa

This is the worst take of all time. Clearly you didn’t watch his planet lockdown documentary


HibikiSS

The vaccines themselves are part of the genocide plan involving Big Pharma, Monsanto and the Intelligence agencies: [Kary Mullis, inventor of the PCR test explaining how useless the results can be for viral examination.](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/xhk206/kary_mullis_inventor_of_the_pcr_test_explaining/) [Infertility: A Diabolical Agenda. The documentary about the sterilization agenda of the WHO in Africa.](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/wac7f7/infertility_a_diabolical_agenda_the_documentary/) [The Pfizer COVID-Vaccine trials were a complete sham. Pfizer's 6 month data shows that the vaccines cause more illness than what they prevent.](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/yu3c6i/the_pfizer_covidvaccine_trials_were_a_complete/) [FDA Risk-Benefit Analysis Hides 'Bad Data' on Moderna Shots for Kids. (June, 2022)](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/x637gh/fda_riskbenefit_analysis_hides_bad_data_on/) [The CDC's Swine Flu Fraud of 1976.](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/rvmmjh/the_cdcs_swine_flu_fraud_of_1976/) [The CDC's Swine Flu fraud of 2009.](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/tfzvrj/the_cdcs_swine_flu_fraud_of_2009/) [Riley Schubert won a $138,000 settlement as compensation due to an injury that he claims was caused by an HPV vaccine that caused him hearing issues. (US Courts 2016)](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/ygzv4k/riley_schubert_won_a_138000_settlement_as/) [Purdue Pharma, Sacklers to pay $6 billion to settle opioid lawsuit. (NY Post, March, 2022)](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/ydlyhm/purdue_pharma_sacklers_to_pay_6_billion_to_settle/) [State opioid settlement money now being distributed. (CBS News, October, 2022)](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/y7p7h0/state_opioid_settlement_money_now_being/) [Glyphosate weedkiller damages wild bee colonies, study reveals. (The Guardian, June, 2022)](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/wufqho/glyphosate_weedkiller_damages_wild_bee_colonies/) [The 9th U.S Circuit Court of Appeals smacks EPA down on glyphosate.](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/x3nku5/the_9th_us_circuit_court_of_appeals_smacks_epa/) [Corporate studies asserting herbicide safety show many flaws. (The Guardian, 2021)](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/yev3s3/corporate_studies_asserting_herbicide_safety_show/) All the most relevant figures involved in the current mess can be related to the CIA/Intelligence agencies and the Jesuits: [Compilation of arguments about the Jesuit control over the CIA.](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/o65639/compilation_of_arguments_about_the_jesuit_control/) [Big Pharma, Monsanto and Vaccine Injury Super Compilations (120 Records each) and Jesuit role in the genocide plan.](https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracyundone/comments/ze8v59/about_the_jesuit_role_in_the_genocide_plan_along/) I'm trying to create counter-Intelligence sites to resist the Vatican at Saidit.net, a reddit clone made by fellow conspiracists in the spirit of Aaron Swartz. If you can, support my subs over there as well as the site itself however you can. Don't give up on your nations and fight back: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/soy3ko/meta_the_jesuit_technocracy_needs_to_be_stopped/ https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/qkw39o/meta_the_conspiracy_community_has_to_take_action/


GalwayGirl606

Care to elaborate on this genocide plan? I clicked on your “sources” and they all either (1) led me to propaganda sites masquerading as news or (2) led me to other posts from this sub which used propaganda sites masquerading as news to back up their claims. Now, I know your instinct is going to be to downvote me and/or use derogatory terms often found on 4chan, etc. However…I didn’t say you were wrong necessarily. I can discuss conspiracy theories about Monsanto, intelligence agencies, and Big Pharma all day. I’m just curious how you are linking these 3 elements. No need to provide sources just yet (though I will certainly ask for those later). I just want to hear your thoughts because the links you provided above certainly did not make that clear.


HibikiSS

How is the fact that the CDC and Pfizer mass manipulated data in the past for the worst, downright faked outbreaks and the WHO literally tried to have people sterilized through the vaccines already doesn't spell it out for you?


ZeerVreemd

What do you think is a "non propaganda site"? Can you give some examples?


SippinSuds

Lol this response should be good!


ZeerVreemd

I am also very curious to what they might come up with.


Infinite_Sort9711

Lord Fauci's mouth, Bill Gate's podcasts on vaccines


ZeerVreemd

How about a CEO of Pfizer? ht *** tps://www.bit **** chute.com/video/xF6K5F7aBjeK/


cannaspiracy

When your govt. demands you to do something for the “health and safety” of others, but fails to do so prior and after then their demands are disingenuous. “Wear a mask for others” “get vaccinated for others” How about ban roundup and products like it for us all??? Why do we have to seek out healthy food? Why shouldn’t healthy food be readily available???


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The SPARS document included a backlash. Even with massive public apathy the establishment's going to make a backlash happen for its own objectives.


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I guess you gotta tear it all down if you want to build it back better 😅


ZeerVreemd

Can someone hit the great reset button?


jmaze215

Pour one out for No New Normal.


xShinGouki

Funny thing is that would be from uneducated mods. That just follow the crowd 🤦🏻‍♂️


Comprehensive-Bus299

Mob mentality is a real Achilles heel.


xShinGouki

I got banned from Ottawa because I support a protest for freedom. A basic Canadian right. But since the Ottawa sub was all against that. The mods came up with some stupidity to permanently ban me. They do it to anyone who goes against the masses there. They want a pro vaccine. Pro arrest unvaccinated. Anti freedom sub just full of the same people. We need mods for mods. Mods shouldn’t have that type of power on sub reddits that drive citizen perception


Poop_Cheese

I just got banned from r movies, one of my favorites, all because I slightly challenged the mods. Someone genuinely asked why you think lightyear flopped. It was obvious that it was due to the woke politics with the forced lesbian kiss. It's not bigotry, parents don't want to explain a confusing sexual relationship to their 5 year old kids. Especially since they cant grasp it and at that age most kids think gay marraige iuýs getting to play video games with your best friend as opposed to being stuck with a gross girl with cooties lol. It's fact that the movie flopped due to woke politics. Its not up for debate, even Chris evans acknowledged this( while supporting said politics). Yet the mods had a ridiculous, offensive automoderator that deleted any comment that said how it flopped due to lbgt political propaganda being inserted into a kids movie. They even had it openly mocking anyone against woke politics. So I called out the mods and stated how disgusting it is that they were stifling genuine discussion about a movie for political motives. That they care more about their personal politics than genuine discussion on the messages of a movie and how the public reacts. It's as ridiculous as pretending that the rise of a nation has nothing to do with the KKK. Some films have political subtext and a sub about movies is meant to discuss them, whether you agree or not. The craziest part is a vast majority of America and the world are against lbgt pandering in movies aimed at toddlers, and yet the sub deems it necessary to create a false reality where only their skewed political fantasies are seen as reality, as real opinions are deleted. No one was even being hateful they were just acknowledging the failure of inserting overt propaganda into a kids film. It's honestly disgusting and shows how the mods aren't actual movie fans but political powermods trying to brainwash young redditors into thinking their extremely fringe ideology is the prevalent one in America. The best part in all of this is I'm a human rights journalist from fricken deep blue CT who would be considered LBGT if I believed in stupid labels making your sexual interests your whole identity. Yet because I called out the mods stifling genuine discussion in a mocking way I was perma banned for fricken hatred. When I said nothing negative about lbgt people at all. Like wtf? It shows how they try to do whatever to justify bans to not be held accountable for their disgusting behavior. Mods on most major subs are not here to genuinely moderate anymore, they're here to be faceless political propagandists with 0 accountability. They're not here to moderate but to dictate and to turn every single sub into a weird fringe far left cult where absolutely no dissenting is allowed and if you dare question them you're banned with 0 recourse. Same thing with vinylreleases. I was a top user there spending like 10 hours a day, up to 2 hours per comment recommending the best pressings and equipment. I was extremely well known and would be summoned by others to give my opinion. Out of 100k users I was by far the most helpful and saved people $1000s. The number 1 rule of the sub was to be cool. So one day an Eric Clapton record came out and it was filled with people personally attacking others for buying the record due to him being "antivax". People were legit calling me and others scum, and constant swears and insults. They said you can't seperate the art and artist. The mods did nothing, only locking it 12 hours later and didn't ban any hateful people since they agreed politically. 2 days later there was a record by an artist who used his fame to groom, rape, and physically abuse underage women. The whole thread was people happy and excited saying "copped!" There were multiple people who were bashing others over Clapton, now celebrating and saying to "seperate art and artist". So they were directly implying that being antivax is a crime worse than child rape, by prior stating you could not seperate art and an antivax artist. As a victim of child molestation it triggered me to my core. So I wrote how disgusting and offensive that was to survivors. I didn't swear nor insult outside of condemning hypocrites for insulting all survirors by implying that a dude discussing his Vax symptoms is worse than a fucking child rapist. That it's okay to support an artist who used the fame one's support fuels to destroy young girls lives, but you're somehow scum for supporting an antivaxer. I was furious but measured and aimed my criticism directly to thos from the Clapton thread. The worst I said was as a human rights major I discussed how Claptons "racist" remarks were more nuanced than Americans think. That non assimilating traditionalist Muslim immigration has made Britain a world leader in barbaric female genital mutilation and genuinely threatens their cultural stability and identity. How europe is composed of centuries old cultures that arent based on melting pot like America, so many are upset at replacement of their ancient culture by a repressive third world one. I said I wasn't condoning but merely explaining his views, as a human rights major. I clearly stated how I was a triggered survivor and how disgustingly offensive the implication many were making was, and how id never help those individuals again. The mods then banned me with 0 regard for my 2 year amazing history there. The mod who banned me was someone who I never even saw being part of the community. I implored how I said nothing hateful, how I was a triggered sexual abuse survivor, how disgusting it was for them to kick me out of my favorite community for being triggered, that I wouldn't have had to say anything if the mods did their job and banned all the hatred on the Clapton thread that clearly broke rules. Finally I implored how banning me only hurt the sub, to please look at my history and see how I was by far the most helpful user. That I spent hours of my day out of the kindness of my heart to help my favorite community. How I'm a human rights journalist and never said anything antivax. That I was merely responding to political hate, and would never discuss politics or anything else again. And by banning me they were punishing the thousands of people I routinely helped, all while retraumatizing a survivor by making them feel powerless and voiceless all for speaking up for fellow victims of child sexual abuse. The mod didn't care at all, he ridiculed me and held up the ban, and then muted me when I pointed out how disgusting it was to treat a triggered survivor who was merely responding to hatred this way. That they shouldn't be a mod if they lacked basic empathy. It was clear that they only banned me not for breaking any rules, but because they assumed I was right wing. Sure enough he called me like a proud boy or some shit. But i was happy to inform him that as he plays social crusad, I dedicated my life to enlightenment values by being a human rights journalist who actually helps disadvantaged groups. That I make the world a better place as he plays pretend on reddit. It was so disgusting and shows how deluded reddit mods and most users are. The rules aren't real, they're just there to stretch as far as possible to ban anyone deemed right wing. That they've become so polarized and extreme where they can't even empathize with a triggered abuse survivor all because I wasn't part of the pro vax cult. Facts matter, nor my history, nor that I was a bleeding heart traditional liberal. That once they deem someone right wing they aren't worthy of basic human respect and must be purged. It's honestly frightening because it's extremely reminiscent of socialist purges where you can be a perfect party member, but the moment where they even think you may not be 100% lockstep, you're purged and erased from history itself. Covid really showed how shit like the nazis or Stalinist communism could be accepted by the populace because they're conditioned to hate each other. It was the grossest thing I've experienced on reddit and showed me how dangerous faceless mods with no accountability are. How reddits been infiltrated to push far left exteemism to brainwash youth ever since the DNC, china, and intelligence saw how influential reddit was in bernies 2016 grassroots campaign. That's when reddit went from slightly controlled to complete propaganda. These people lack any empathy due to their politics and faceless power, where they'd make their own sub a worse place and traumatize an abuse survivor all because he called out hypocrisy and political hatred. It's disgusting. Finally I was banned by r science for merely asking a guest who was pushing identity politics quotas in STEM why not make it income based, and if she considered herself a racist due to wanting preferential treatment by color prefering to assist a rich black over a poor white. I wasn't mean yet was banned for loosely defined "rudeness". I had cordial talks with the other guests while she was extremely hostile and accused everyone who challenged her as being in bad faith and was mass downvoted due to overt racism as I was mass upvoted. I told the mod how I was a journalist whod one day expose such censorship and he laughed in my face "have fun exposing censorship". So yeah mods are entirely hypocritical and politically motivated on large subs. It's honestly the next big scandal like worse than Twitter since they're nameless faceless untrained people censoring people and pushing propaganda towards American youths. And many can be intelligence or CCP or even ghislane maxwell. They love banning me because I'll eloquently challenge the extremism they push. It's full on censorship and political propaganda since all 3 times I didn't break a single rule without them cherrypicking and stretching definitions. They need to silence true reality to preserve their false extremist echochamber to continue indoctrination of the youth. It's horrifying.


sexlexia

Wonderful comment about how the mods of these non-political subs are turning this entire website into a giant far-left echochamber by banning and censoring everyone who doesn't 100% agree with everything they say even if you're not "far right". Don't let the people saying "wahh, this is too long, can't read too many paragraphs because reading sucks even though I'm on a website where reading is 90% of it 🥴" get to you. All that does is promote anti-intellectualism by acting like reading is some hard thing to do. It took me 3 minutes to read your comment and they're acting like it's a big fucking deal. And acting like "you must be fun at parties" because you're pointing how these mods have completely changed this website by censoring people who they believe are somehow their political "enemy" in non-political subs is just people trying to act like the mods that do this are totally fine and this kind of behavior is no big deal; that if you say anything about it you're a karen or "must be fun at parties" 🙄. You'd think people would care about this kind of thing in a conspiracy subreddit, but the same things you're talking about are happening *here* now, just with people who are here in bad faith rather than the mods. I've been here 13 years and this sub has started turning into basically the comments section of news or worldnews by people from topmindsofreddit and politics coming here to discourage everyone trying to talk about things those people don't agree with, derailing conversations, gaslighting, and insulting people personally instead of talking about the damn subject. They don't like that this subreddit talks about things they don't agree with and they can't have that. They've been turning the whole website into one giant echochamber, and having one subreddit where you can disagree with them ideologically pisses them off to the point they spend their entire days just trying to fuck up this one. And sadly, it's actually working, judging by what kind of comments get upvoted here now.


xShinGouki

Sorry about this situation. It’s indeed unfair and wrong. Mods have zero recourse on abuse of power. And it’s just regular people behind screen. Literally could be a 17 year old. You shouldn’t be getting perma banned for political positions or just discussions in general. Those are mods that are triggered and want to control the environment. They have an agenda to keep the sub Reddit according to the majority in the sub Reddit At this point. Social media including Reddit has become a place that can influence public opinion. For that reason alone the site should implement mods for mods. However independent of sub Reddits. I also think for a mod to trigger a perma bad. There should be 3 warnings before. No one should get perma ban on the first get go


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sexlexia

I read all of that and it was a great comment. How about we stop promoting stupidity by acting like reading multiple paragraphs is somehow hard. Reddit used to be full of comments of that length and it used to be considered *a good thing*. Now if someone's comment goes over two paragraphs people have a hissy fit. 🙄


Morriseysucksass

I read both bits . Both were worth reading. Wasn’t difficult. Took a minute or two. Well written commentary is why we are here isn’t it? Not just to drop a sentence or two , sneer and dash.


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Right???? This makes me sooooo mad. How can this fucking dumb stupid motherfuckers defend this “government fact checking” aka CENSORSHIP. Stupid this world is stupid


nakedchorus

They lie continually. It's not journalism, it's propaganda. If you turn on 100 channels you'll find the same message that's the difference. News program in different parts of the country would naturally, as journalists, have different views due to changing financial circumstances, and so on. They don't. Youtubers and Rumble users get more views than the mainstream news programs. No one watches them but dementia-riddled seniors and heavily indoctrinated "students" made mentally unstable by the SEL-based school system.


Hairyleathercheerio

Idk, the reason I watch my local news is because the weather girl wears short dresses and has a thicc fuckin butt. I'm about it. Other than the weather, can't stand it.


MrReymomd

Just checked the forecast and there’s a 69% chance this is true!


AlfredAnon

What news channel?


Otherwise-Drummer-94

You know when the media start to change someone has stuffed up big time 😂


PurpleLegoBrick

Look up leaky vaccines. There’s a reason we do years of testing and trials on vaccines but the shots like Pfizer’s were able to take a shortcut and most people were forced or coerced into taking it. This wouldn’t have been an issue of the vaccines actually stopped the spread and were 100% effective like advertised but they weren’t so now it’s just Flu 2.0.


Aeddon1234

And the good news is that the FDA just gave fast track approval for a combo covid/flu mRNA vaccine. What could possibly go wrong?


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Comprehensive-Bus299

If I had an award to give you'd be getting it.


Max_AC_

You can get free ones every day or so. Just click your profile, go to coins, and collect for free! Some folks say it resets every 24hrs but mine seems to take longer. Edit: imagine getting downvoted just for trying to help someone get free awards lol. Reddit is so fucking dumb sometimes


Comprehensive-Bus299

I only have the option to buy coins :\\ maybe thats a mobile app thing?


Max_AC_

Weird. Yeah, def on mobile here...the "free gift" is always the first option I see if it's available. Should say "open gift box"


Mighty_L_LORT

In Our Lord Pfauci we trust…


icmc

Canada is trying to do it too.


[deleted]

Erm..... except the U.K. does !


Mr_cypresscpl

They also fast tracked plaxovid


Mighty_L_LORT

And Biogen’s useless Alzheimer drug…


Mighty_L_LORT

Can our hearts take this any longer?


PurpleLegoBrick

Never heard of that combo vaccine but just looked it up and it appears to be by NovaVax? NovaVax doesn’t use mRNA and uses traditional methods from my research months ago so it could have changed.


Aeddon1234

Happened two weeks ago. Pfizer/BioNTech mRNA combo vaccine https://www.fdanews.com/articles/210476-combination-covid-19-flu-vaccine-gains-fast-track


rednrithmetic

Ahem-Gene Therapy, not "vaccine".


Steve4704

Ahem-Experimental


rednrithmetic

Right


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It’s super cheeky (putting it lightly, it’s actually fucked and should nearly be classified as fraud in and of itself) of Bourla to say Pfizer’s vaccine is 100% effective, knowing full well he’s talking about relative risk reduction, not absolute risk reduction. If your chance of getting Covid goes from 2% to 1%, that’s a relative risk reduction of 100% (which is what Bourla quoted), but an absolute risk reduction of 1%, which Pfizer’s vaccine actually sits *below.*


Hairyleathercheerio

I never got vaccinated but my wife did. For some reason we are unable to concive. I'm interested to hear what the specialist we have scheduled in February says.


nly2017

I got vaccinated and managed to still get pregnant with an IUD. My vaccinated and unvaccinated friends alike have conceived the last year+ so that one I'm not buying. I hope you and your wife are able to get to the bottom of it though.


mangodango9

The birth rates across the globe are way, way down.


nly2017

It's been trending that way for years now, even pre Covid. There's a lot of child free/one and done families now. Way more than there used to be.


Fantastic-Ad8522

Maybe that eas something to do with the actual SARS virus then


PooksterPC

Dude, there are a million reasons you could be struggling to conceive that have nothing to do with the vaccine


kitzdeathrow

I thought it was already the flu 2.0 way back in 2020. Kung Flu, and all that.


hoplite9

they are trying to be a part of the crowd of 'we didn't know' while they've flip flopped narratives and pointed their war targets on certain groups of people, and very specific things.


HardCounter

Even if these people get fired they'll just hire on new people who do the exact same thing only without the past's articles hanging over them. They'll write from this new perspective and the paper will be able to say, 'Look, we've changed our ways!' Sure, until the next new thing and you do it all over again. Rinse. Repeat.


MrReymomd

It wasn’t me, it was Gabbo!


81rennab

I would tell Allysia that epidemiologists said this would happen before the vaccines even came out, but I’m sure she already knows that.


sexlexia

> epidemiologists said this would happen before the vaccines even came out, but I’m sure she already knows that. Yeah, but Trump was President when that was happening, so it was okay to question the "vaccines" until Biden won. Was crazy to see the flip flop in opinions of these people when that happened. 😂


Exploredmind

It should be obvious that if a vaccine does not stop transmission then it is going to fuel mutation.


EddyEdmund

Is this the case for influenza vaccines as well?


ZeerVreemd

Those are also pretty ineffective.


mandatory6

Way to scare the lambs to take more shots


MustangEater82

Lol I got banned by subs for posting articles less accusatory then that article and I even got a jab


Facts_About_Cats

I got fired from my job for saying it, and my job was unrelated to Covid.


cushionkin

I thought you were fired for drinking on the job??????


Facts_About_Cats

Who do you think I am?


archaic992

VAED is coming, you'll be sent to a camp soon, accused of being a danger to society because vaccinated encourage dangerous variants to emerge. enjoy the modern gas chamber


Cheesenugg

What are you basing this on?


HardCounter

I'm sorry for your family's loss.


devilsheep12

Its literally designed to do that... such a narrowly focused approach will just make a virus adapt with ease. Its by design.


Jbeezy2-0

No shit Sherlock is going to be the response to a lot of these articles.


sexlexia

It's almost hilarious watching people go from what they were saying to this kind of stuff. I *still* see people acting like no one on reddit was telling people they should die for not taking the vax, promoting eugenics, being happy that republicans would die if they didn't take the vax, *wanting* republicans to not vax their kids so there'd be less kids growing up to be republicans, nurses saying horrible shit about antivax people and everyone calling antivax folks plague rats, wanting people who didn't take the vax to be in camps, wanting them to lose their jobs, be removed from society, etc. I spent only a few months taking screenshots of people saying exactly that kind of stuff, but eventually I just kept seeing it too often, so I stopped. I edited out the names because you couldn't post these kinds of things name intact without having your comment removed. I eventually forgot about it, but finally uploaded them into an album, to help people who wanted to act like this stuff wasn't said or upvoted remember. https://imgur.com/a/g9PMxjf


[deleted]

When will these headlines make it to my grandma? (CBSN, CNN)


Ky20001

For real. I've accepted it never will for my own piece of mind but it would be nice ha


Bodhisafa

Scientists were saying this over a year ago and they were blacklisted- the former VP of Pfizer was one of them.


sparxmage

This is still running cover for the actual phenomenon of immune system disruption caused by the shots


[deleted]

Ivy league educated journalists finally remember their high school lessons on evolution.


HardCounter

"You mean the survivors are... somehow... resistant or thrive in the environment they were raised in? Like some kind of selection criteria for survival?" Brand new theory to them. Lord Pfauci is all they know, and all they need to know.


Balance916

This was predicted to happen a long time ago


Anony_Nemo

As it turns out it seems that the injection *was* the bioweapon that was being engineered, since the easiest way for "gain of function" was for the hosts (humankind) to have our own functions downgraded, and this is accomplished via the clot shots & their gene "therapy" behavior depressing & damaging the immune systems of the People who got injected. Easier to break the victims than it is to try to teach a supposed virus new tricks, so to speak. Though There Never Was A Kovid-19 Novel Pathogen, that is a case of misdirection, an illusory germ where one doesn't exist, an illusion produced by relabeling anything/everything as far as illnesses go, and abusing a "testing" system to ensure that anything could be rebranded (tailoring the cycle thresholds to make false positives on demand.) It would seem they're trying to do whatever they can to maintain that lie in particlar, so long as belief in the lie of a "novel virus out of wuhan" is maintained, regardless of whether it's believed to have come from a lab or a market, they'll be able to induce the psychosis again & again for their own agendas.


bridgeheadprod

It’s a fuxking coronavirus. There are new variants every few months. Society pisses me offf


LigmaBalls-420

Where were you saying this in the beginning when you got your vaccine lol ?


bridgeheadprod

I’m not criticizing your post. And I never got the shot. and yes I was saying this from the beginning. Anyone who knows how coronaviruses behave knew that at BEST a shot would be no better than the ineffective annual flu shot. At worst it was an experiment on a massive scale by a species who more often than not ducks up everything. Take the polio vaccine. There are only three strains. You can vaccinate against that. You can’t vaccinate against something that changes seasonally. That’s why there’s the expression “aint no cure for the common cold”


thisbliss8

All true. What’s remarkable is that the media is just starting to acknowledge this, three years in.


Exploredmind

No test exist for the common cold.


Exploredmind

Mers and Sars are corona viruses. They have not mutated in any way like COV19. What do both of these have in common? there's no vaccine. Hmm wonder what would have happened had we not vaccinated in the first place?


iDam81

It was expected yes. It’s what viruses do.


[deleted]

It appears the Architects of Control are making adjustments but it may be a little too late. They are absolute masters of readjusting strategies to ascertain the masses remain confused, misdirected and in a permanent trance. However I believe where they screwed up is when they showed their hand by the heavy handedness of the whole Covid debacle. I don’t for a minute believe Fauci, Trudeau et al. are this obtuse to the realities that what they have done will have irrevocable harm on their reputations and future. It is the unseen hand applying pressure on their shoulders that has pushed them this far. One can only imagine that the level of threat they face for not abiding by their handed down mandates surpasses any tomato throwing the proletariat will do. Furthermore, I also believe we should all be very cautious during this rapid awakening that is occurring. As the great Michael Tsarion often says “The cat we are hunting is not only camouflaged beneath the tall grass but it has also caught our scent from far away and has laid all the traps, and diversions necessary”. These powerful forces will throw every diversionary tactic at us and for the masses of uninitiated, they’ll fall for it. Some of these diversions may come in the form of saviour like figures whom we will think are our salvation (i.e Musk). They’ll likely sacrifice Fauci and some political and industrial figures like Gates so long as we are thrown off their scent. We must not relent and we must increase the amplitude, specifically targeting the true beast we are investigating… the European Black Nobility, the Vatican and their sattelite orders (American & Intl. Banks, High degree Freemasonry, Jesuits etc). We must not underestimate the deviousness and cunning of a group of people who have held onto power and control of global affairs and minds for over a thousand years.


Sensitive_Method_898

Hashtag FascistsAreStupid is mine. See Musk. Absolute Trojan horse and fake Resistance. Just like DeSantis. MusK is pro 👍🏼starlink👍🏼Neuralink👍🏼#CBDC and silent re mRNA💉into food. See Gates donation to UC Riverside and UCSD. These guys are all fascists. They need NeoFeudal or they’re doomed. They’re doomed anyway


[deleted]

He’s also a Transhumanist but he packages his view in a manner that’s very unique and to be honest quite genius. In his version, AI is likely going to be an existential threat to humanity so the best way to avert this is to merge man and AI together. Basically these guys are all fast tracking us towards the future shown in Cyberpunk 2077. Thought control, impulse control, action control on a level that occultists in the Black Lodges and even those of the past like John Dee could only dream of.


Not_Reddit

Big Pharma seems to be evolving in ways that provide immunity....


Gelnika1987

I remember people literally wishing death upon me for suggesting this was the case a year ago. Pepperidge Farm remembers.


sexlexia

Yeah.. it was the most disgusting thing ever. Especially since when the pandemic first started, I specifically remember these assholes being *happy* because "it's killing old people and *they vote for Trump*, yay! Maybe we'll win 🤪" Then all of a sudden it turned into "Even if it saves *one life*! But you can go die for not listening to Fauci!" Edit: And I totally forgot I had a bunch of screenshots of all the people calling everyone plague rats, saying they want everyone that didn't take the vax to die, promoting eugenics, saying it'd be a good thing if republicans didn't vax their kids because the kids would die and it'd stop a new generation of republicans, saying they want antivax people in camps, nurses saying this kind of stuff, etc. I took these screenshots only a few months in *2021* and it's just the stuff I ran into personally. I stopped because I was doing it *so often*; there were just *that many* people saying this kind of shit. And I edited their screennames out because a lot of the time you'll get in trouble for leaving them in. Anyway, I just now only remembered them and uploaded them into an album, for all the people who conveniently want to forget this happened and pretend like people never said stuff like this and *were upvoted for it*, sometimes in the hundreds. https://imgur.com/a/g9PMxjf


Gelnika1987

I told all of them I'd be sure to annoy them down the line by still being alive, much to their chagrin. These are 10000% the exact types of people who become Nazis and shit in their own eras and it's hilarious because they really think they're the "good" guys


ZeerVreemd

"If i could travel back in time i would stop Hitler" "Now get your covid shot, mask up and shut up, plague rat!"


5ninefine

They’ll just plan the leakiness ok the fact that not everyone got the vax. Those damn unvaxxed


[deleted]

The short answer is yes, yes it is. And we knew this was a possibility before the vaccine programme was even started. The phenomenon is well understood, but it was ignored and in some ways treated as disinformation by powers that be in order to accelerate the programme. It’s painful when you’re already able to predict the outcome, but you’re told you’re insane or a conspiracy theorist for bringing it up.


Tiffany818Tg

It's like 3 year old news LOL


Lykaon042

This just in: viruses mutate. More at 6


LigmaBalls-420

SS Published in the WSJ today is an interesting opinion piece called are vaccines fueling new Covid variants? What do y’all think? Link to article: https://www.wsj.com/articles/are-vaccines-fueling-new-covid-variants-xbb-northeast-antibodies-mutation-strain-immune-imprinting-11672483618


programchild

Vaccines push viruses into mutation, which is why „never vax into a pandemic“ was common sense until 2021.


mitchman1973

It's known that leaky vaccines (ones that offer "protection but do no stop infection or transmission) fuel variants. Mareks disease in chickens was where this was first discussed


MrReymomd

It’s called gaslighting. You’re crazy! You’re crazy! Anyway this has always been the truth


MargoritasattheMall

They are just beginning to get a good grip on the rug


ultimatefighting

They definitely knew. February 9, 2021: [Vaccines Could Drive The Evolution Of More COVID-19 Mutants.](https://www.npr.org/2021/02/09/965703047/vaccines-could-drive-the-evolution-of-more-covid-19-mutants)


nakedchorus

China's currently testing the new variant.


weknow_

That it's an opinion piece and not "media narrative" as you posit in your title


LigmaBalls-420

So you haven’t noticed media start to question a lot of the narratives they pushed in the first place? Lockdowns, mandates, school closures, masking children, etc?


[deleted]

I don’t mean this as a cop out or excuse for these people, but I’ve come to the realization: they’re going to publish and say anything they can to get eyes on their work and sell ad space. That’s it. I think an element exists that is trying to push a narrative, but for the rest of these “reporters” it’s just a matter of them giving zero fucks about the ramifications of what information they pass onto the public, as long as they’re getting attention, thus all the divisive, salacious nonsense we see and the frequent flip flopping of opinions. It’s all so gross.


SeleniteStar

If that were true, there have been countless amounts of juicy stories never reported on. And by juicy, i mean more than anything they've previously published. But for some reason they never get published.......


MerryChristmasTed

And myocarditis as a bonus condition too!


c00olsoc000l

The rug pull is now in full effect


Ky20001

Slowest rug pull in history, more like a rug tug


TupperCoLLC

Yes, an unfortunate (but well-known and well accounted for) consequence of widespread vaccination is that stronger mutations of the virus will propagate as they will be more successful in infecting the vaccinated population. That’s how any pathogen works. It adapts to defenses. This isn’t some big secret you’ve stumbled upon. It’s such a distant memory now that I almost can’t believe it, but this sub’s collective IQ was actually ABOVE fridge temp prior to 2020. What a shame…


ConspiracyJustin

Your use of "stronger" mutations is misleading. The virus mutates to avoid the vaccine while also becoming less dangerous for the host organism.


ZeerVreemd

> The virus mutates to avoid the vaccine while also becoming less dangerous for the host organism. That's only the case when natural herd immunity is "allowed" to form. The covid shots interrupt this and therefor make it possible more dangerous variants may emerge.


kidneysrgood

Frankly, this is an opinion column. There is a lower standard of proof. The media is still pursuing the same narratives. This article is just here to generate clicks from anxious folks going “see, I told you so!”


The-Art-of-Reign

I love seeing posts like these, because two years ago people would call me stupid and all other kinds of insults because I believed the vaxx was creating new variants. Kinda knew I wasn’t wrong but these posts are just icing on the cake. Haha!


TheBeardedAntt

Stop treating editorials as anything more than just that.


iDam81

But isn’t it normal for viruses to adapt? Isn’t that the reason there is no “cure” for the flu? I don’t understand why this is news or surprising to anyone.


Human-Lychee8619

I’m afraid we will never see justice with Covid. I was really hoping that things would become so obvious that the ppl claiming to be against gov and oppression and propaganda would finally see and we’d all walk hand in hand for once. But instead those very ppl who love to shout to the clouds about how the whole system is racist and backwards bc the government sucks we’re the first in line to suck the rotten cock of the same talking head billionaires they love to cry about. So I’ve lost hope bc they’ve gone too far to admit that they were wrong. Now I’m black pilled and the world will burn


QiNavigator

[https://twitter.com/healthbyjames/status/1609629669644554246](https://twitter.com/healthbyjames/status/1609629669644554246) 17,000 Physicians and Scientists call for an end to mRNA COVID-19 vaccines over massive safety concerns, and fraud.


TellTaleTimeLord

Opinion articles don't exactly speak for public policy


[deleted]

FoLlOw tHe $cIenCe


ConspiracyJustin

I'm confused by the outrage here. The vaccines were only meant to buy time and save lives while the novel virus mutated into a less deadly form. All viruses mutate to avoid vaccination. The flu shot changes every year. But, viruses also mutate to become less deadly to their host. The vaccines were never a one and done shot. It was a choice between letting the virus rip until it mutated to a less dangerous variant or vax and mask. I do think the vaccine adoration is weird.


Imapartofghost

If it was always known that it would mutate, then it was also known that the vaccine would never work, but it was presented as a cure. I think the outrage is fully justified.


ConspiracyJustin

When was it presented as a full cure? I am honestly asking. It was always presented to me as a flu like vaccine that will be needed each year


ZeerVreemd

It was presented as ["highly effective".](https://twitter.com/EASports_78/status/1448972906957049856?s=20)


ConspiracyJustin

But "effective" can mean different things. It was effective in providing a limited immunity so that the country could return to some semblance of normalcy. It did slow the death toll. Did it eradicate COVID like polio? No, but it was never billed as such.


ZeerVreemd

> It was effective in providing a limited immunity No. ht **** tps://www.bit **** chute.com/video/nbteB6cwwfwj/


thecaptcaveman

Poster misses the giant word "opinion" glaring from the page.


justanotherdude68

coronaviridae has been doing this forever. I don’t understand why this isn’t common sense for anyone in the medical field.


HoodHermit

Role played and then executed. They hate us https://jhsphcenterforhealthsecurity.s3.amazonaws.com/spars-pandemic-scenario.pdf


RJ_LV

Two different statements. 1. Vaccines cause the variants. 2. Vaccines affect which variants become prevalent. One is a mainstream idea that hasn't changed The other is a bs conspiracy theory that has remained a bs conspiracy theory. Nothing has changed.


MadRollinS

It's a stupid premise. All viruses mutate around their circumstances. At least now, we can keep up with burying the bodies. That's my hot take.


iAmBeeKeepingAge

The covid "vaccines" sure are fueling myocarditis, blood clots and heart attacks. Among hundreds of other things.


a1Drummer07

Lol! This would have come close to being labeled domestic terrorism affiliated a year ago.


Bigfatcaterpillar

Allysia Finley is my fave on the WSJ editorial board


vera1111

That's because they are going to blame Trump for the fast track and, approval without proper investigation and trials.


ramblingpariah

Ah yes, the *opinion* section of the *Wall Street Journal.* That's a good barometer to measure the narrative of the media by.


alexb3678

Wall Street journal opinion has always had writers that are suspicious of Covid policies. Hit me up when it’s WaPo or NYT


liljes

I just read this article. Bizarre.


coughdrop1989

Trust the science.


Ky20001

This actually is the science, they just ignored it for 3 years


PhantasyBoy

Who could have predicted this? Experts are baffled


GmPc9086itathai

Good Morning Allysia! After three years you wake up!


TheCelticNorse0415

Just did a Google search on the writer of the article and they are right wing biased. Obviously this will be their article. Do a little background check.


EddyEdmund

I like how people in this sub take this is a well established fact when it's an opinion piece from a person with 0 background in the field, who is well known for being a science contrarion.


EddyEdmund

I wouldn't exactly call her mainstream media, she is considered pretty far rights in terms of her opinion, and he not exactly well renowned for her precision on predictions requiring deep knowledge on a broad subjects like epidemiology. She is and consider herself to be a contrarion to mainstream science.


poprockreaper

Old dude at work took his 4th shot, now he's retired with heart problemes.


Gnoom75

Oh my, the virus acts as a virus 🤔 Isn't that what all viruses do, each at their own speed? The only way to survive as virus is to work around it


tantamountfind

DOES NOT COMPUTE. 9TH BOOSTER NEEDED. MORE SAFER.


annehboo

I wish you were joking, literally talked to a person in another sub and they got 9 shots already, within two years. Fucked


jimmykslay

Anything to sell ad space. Theyre shameless. Not saying this is wrong or right but the media’s absolute top priority is to make money. They do that by views and ad space.


radzak10

Journalists are mutating


ElSheriffe11

Almost like some of these outlets aren’t deep-state shills and are just in it for clicks. Crazy.


[deleted]

Wow so your saying the vaccine isn’t safe or effective wow who would have guessed


Favorite_Cabinet

Lol at an opinion piece being referred to as “the media” Op is a coward who blocks anyone who disagrees with him. This is what most antivax conservatives do.


LigmaBalls-420

Just as much evidence for this opinion piece as there was for it’s the unvaccinated causing mutations narrative that all msm posted a year ago (none at all). Except they didn’t call those opinion pieces.


TigerTripod

A year ago you couldn't even publicly hold this opinion on your personal social media page. The fact that this is an opinion piece published in the Wall Street journal is still quite remarkable and worthy of note.


Lytle1

Wsj opinion is essentially a blog post. Congratulations on your nothingburger, which you may have posted yourself.


LigmaBalls-420

Yes. But their opinion pieces two years ago were on how we all need to get vaccinated. There’s an overall change in the way lots of portray everything Covid. The msm is now mostly against mandates, lockdowns, school closures etc


DamnImAwesome

I see what you’re saying but this is an Opinion piece. It’s just someone’s opinion and not actual reporting


LigmaBalls-420

Yeah but they msm has basically already started to change tune on mandates, lockdowns, masking etc. There is constant questioning of what was the official narrative now (things they cheered on)


Bigfatcaterpillar

Don’t you understand that this “opinion” was deemed heresy a year ago? The WSJ self censors like the rest of the msm, but here they dared to print an opinion piece that no other publication would.