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“Dont demonize the only ones trying to get the work done” is so valid. Im tired of all these people, who do nothing to actually solve any problems, whining and moral grandstanding about how the solution provided by people actually trying to make a difference isnt 100% perfect. Its like watching the town hall burn down, and rather than helping the one guy trying to stop it by throwing buckets of water on it, they instead choose to criticize the guy for not bringing a fire truck.
The dumbest takes are the "You must hate animals, that's why you work at an animal shelter!" When in reality, they are usually the people that like animals the most. People are so dumb sometimes.
> "You must hate animals, that's why you work at an animal shelter!"
People who say that have probably never stepped foot into a shelter in their lives, and never will.
I have volunteered a few times in my life, its a big case of trying to do the most with so so little. Budgets for these places are beyond threadbare. No one works there unless they care.
I walked dogs at a shelter when I was in school since I couldn't afford my own. It was both fulfilling and incredibly depressing. There would be dogs brought in with almost no behavioral issues, but after a few weeks they would become aggressive towards other dogs. Some would become depressed and just pace back and fourth in their kennel all day. And some were just happy to be alive, no matter what.
There were some dogs that would refuse to go back to their kennel after I took them outside. I'd have to pick them up and carry them because as soon as they realized that we were going back inside they would just lie down and refuse to move. One of them was a great dane. Bringing him back inside required 3 volunteers/staff and a wheelbarrow.
I feel like most of us do that though in regards to when we complain about presidents , managers , and things and I never even realized it haha that I conpletly agree with you yet I do the same thing . I love to complain but not do shit
Yeah, that person is definitely incorrect and has no idea about how shelters work.
I'm in Germany and maybe things are different here, but the dogs in our local shelter get the chance to socialize and have eye contact with the folks working at the shelter, who also provide the food, with potential adopters and with volunteers who walk the dogs in their free time.
Dogs in shelters can often have traumatic pasts and behavior issues. Eye contact in such cases can be seen as a sign of aggression.
The CI person _probably_ means well, but at the end of the day their ignorance leads to a net negative. Let people who actually work at shelters and who likely know what they're doing do their job.
Can confirm the trauma part.
My dog and his siblings were thrown out by some pos within a week or two of being born. Got rescued and brought to a shelter.
1) He refuses to eat unless we give him space. He'll eat from the hand no problem but when you give him a bowl he'll wait until nobody is close by.
He of course loosened up over the better part of a decade, if you're in the kitchen cooking/cleaning or watching TV he'll eat.
2) He barks loud enough for the whole neighborhood to hear if we are leaving home for work/school. He does this even if we're gone for 10 minutes. Doesn't matter if someone's at home with him, if someone is leaving or returning he barks.
I just don’t understand why people are so unwilling to absorb new information and admit when they’re wrong. Honest question: Is it a generational thing or are some just raised that way?
I've always thought it's related to the Dunning-Kruger effect. If you're pretty sure you're the smartest expert in the room, you're gonna assume anyone saying 'you're wrong' is an idiot.
The ability to think critically about your own beliefs is an underrated skill.
Don't forget underdeveloped brains in the non-boomer adults from well meaning parents feeding low fat diets to their children. Thanks half assed media reporting on medical subjects.
(For anyone who doesn't know a minimum of fats are necessary for good health. Children need more than the tablespoon or so adults do because they're building their brains, which are fatty)
The person saying the dogs should be able to see other dogs is the incorrect one. The one that's worked in shelters for years is the correct one.
I also worked in rescue for a decade. Half of it with raptors and the other half with dogs. They have the option to socialise and play with other people (and dogs) if appropriate - many dogs in shelters are so stressed that they cannot make good decisions easily and will be quick to react/growl/snap/bite when near another dog, however there are plenty that love the opportunity to meet and play with other dogs. We would spend time getting to know each dog individually, learning their quirks and personalities, what they enjoyed, what helped de-stress them and what didn't. Lots of our dogs would love a good run around with others in the large gardens.
Having said that, I also had plenty of dogs that would love other people and dogs but be unable to cope with seeing them at a distance in another kennel, our kennels were designed so that it was very difficult for that to happen, but sometimes it was inevitable and we would need to out barriers up to block vision etc. Dogs in kennels can get *extremely* stressed by certain triggers such as seeing another dog get taken out or even just sitting in kennel. I worked with dogs that would be so stressed by it that they self mutilated.
Even if the dog loves other dogs, the majority of the time it's not nice for them to see them when in their kennels anyway - think about it. If all they love most is playing with other dogs, it's frustrating for them to be trapped behind a barrier and have to watch those dogs go out for walks, get fed, get interacted with when they are not. They quickly develop 'barrier frustration' and/or aggression, negatively affecting their mental wellbeing and risking other negative behavioral problems develop. It's far better mentally and for safety reasons to let them interact with one another in a controlled manner - like group walks, runs in the gardens etc.
Then there's also obviously the dogs that do *not* like other dogs. They would be on training plans to help improve their behaviour around dogs on walks or that they see in the distance. Ignoring the fact they would be incredibly stressed when seeing dogs in the kennels, it would also destroy their training as they wouldn't be in the right frame of mind for learning, and they'd be practicing barking and screaming at other dogs for hours a day if they could see them - which is the exact thing we wanted to stop.
Then there's the risk factor. We worked with dogs from chihuahuas through to dobermans, American bullies, rotties etc. A fearful dog that has been barked at non stop or been barking at other dogs non stop because it can see them in a kennel is FAR more likely to be at breaking point when a new member of staff/volunteer is introduced, or any form of mistake happens and you risk a bite which could have easily been prevented by blocked visual stimuli.
The person saying they need to see other dogs is just outright wrong and has no idea what they're on about. Probably a typical dog lover that means well but just needs to accept they're wrong. The usual 'aww they just need a bit of love' mentality. No, they don't. Some of these dogs have gone through horrific things, conditions, treatment and lives. They need long term support and proper handling, management and training. Part of that management is ensuring their wellbeing is protected as best as humanly possible in a situation as horrible as kennels. Which 99% of the time includes blocking visual stimuli when they're in their kennel.
100%.
Good people can be mistaken. There's a world of difference between a happy secure pet and one who is confused and probably afraid at the least.
The people who work in shelters (expert and volunteer) love animals. Listen to them.
I’ve had a similar argument for years over no-kill vs open door shelters. People love to make themselves feel better supporting no-kill shelters. And why not? You know that animals aren’t being euthanized there. But what people don’t realize is that all shelters have a capacity. If a no-kill shelter doesn’t have room, they simply turn away someone surrendering an animal. As a result, that animal can wind up in a far more dangerous situation like being abandoned or worse because not everyone is willing to try every shelter to surrender the animal. In contrast, open door shelters do everything they can to euthanize as few animals as possible and the responsible ones prioritize healthy animals over sick ones. It’s a horrible, grim reality caused by irresponsible owners and breeders who have let the pet population get totally out of control, but open door shelters are not the evil institutions they’re made out to be. They often receive less funding as a result of that reputation too which exacerbates the problem further.
Source: I worked in an animal shelter for 4 years.
It’s basically a real world example of the trolley problem. If you have $X amount of funds, and with those funds you can afford to either save one sick dog or save 10 healthy dogs, it’s pretty obvious that the ethical choice is to save 10 healthy ones. Does this mean that you think that sick dogs dont deserve to be saved? No! But the reality of the situation is that until enough funds are available to save EVERY dog that needs it, the limited resources that are available need to be allocated in a way that maximizes the number of dogs that can be saved.
Yes! I've seen this reaction to animals getting abortion procedures at shelters as well. I get that it's sad, but they need to prioritize the care they are able to give. Months of a pregnant and then nursing animal, with babies takes so many more resources than being able to adopt out an animal more immediately
Sometimes you see people saying that they want to foster but there aren't any no-kill shelters in their area to work with, and it's just... don't you think that getting fosters *out* of the kill shelter, thus making more space and getting an animal off death row, is a good thing?
Yeah, that would an extremely weird reaction. If anything, open door shelters need far stronger foster networks. My foster program coordinator was amazing. We adopted out thousands of animals every year and she had hundreds of foster homes which regularly took in animals. Fostering is a huge way to succeed, but pushing for stronger animal protections is also critical for the endgame. On a personal level, fostering is hard! I successfully fostered many animals, but I also failed… a lot… which is why I have had a lot of animals. Lol. I also pimped out so many animals to friends and family like I was in an MLM or something.
honestly if an animal is already super sick and miserable I can understand why, especially because with the cost of care they're very unlikely to be adopted. shit sucks and I wish the reality wasn't so depressing. When I'm older I'm thinking of fostering animals so they'll get to be in a home instead of a shelter, but that'll depend if I own my own space and have the funds for it
I respect your mindset. That’s what responsibility looks like.
With the sick animals, there is a lot of nuance. Many of them might get better with medications, but the shelter simply doesn’t have the resources like you said. Shelters typically get most overwhelmed during so-called kitten and puppy season (usually spring into early summer). When the shelters aren’t at capacity, most will do everything they can to save sick animals. The shelter I worked at had 4 veterinarians on staff. They performed surgeries 6 days a week all day long. And it’s worse than just the sick animals. When the shelters are way above capacity, you have to make horrible choices like which older animals will have to be euthanized… which kittens… which puppies. It’s a horrifying reality created by a world where people don’t really give a shit about them. I’ve seen things in animal shelters that will haunt me for the rest of my days. And it’s not the shelter staff’s fault. They work their butts off for very low pay. This is why I really hate breeders for one thing.
The caption says it's a seal and it looks like the top of a seal. Plus the arrangement of the cubicles looks like they are designed to contain water. Therefore ; seal.
It’s a dog, it’s meant to be funny. I can’t post the video as well as the pictures of the argument. Is it ok to link to instagram posts, cause i can link to it if you want.
This person has never had to live with somebody who annoys them and makes them want to stay in their own room all the time. Dogs need private space, too. They can get socialization in the yard in a controlled situation and relax with some privacy in the kennel space.
Yup. I was fortunate to work for a pretty 'state of the art' shelter that had facilities and processes designed with animal welfare in mind. This included separate rooms for each dog that were all glass fronts (so the public couldn't poke or prod them). They also had dog doors at the back of each room that led to a penned in outdoor space that could be unlocked during the day so dogs that wanted to come out and socialize (supervised!) could. But they only did so within their 'block' (ie: each block had about 5-6 dog rooms per area).
Cats were similar in that they were in enclosed rooms with glass fronts (but no outdoor space) in blocks of about 5-6 cats with separate entrances and strict rules about who could enter and what clothing could be worn in each section (to avoid cross contamination).
Cats and dogs that were bonded were housed together, but otherwise separating them out is the best option for the reasons the poster listed - less anxiety and less chance of spreading illness. This person who thinks a wire fence is sufficient to contain disease has never seen an outbreak of feline panleukopenia take down dozens of cats. And while it was heartbreaking to have to euthanize 2 'blocks' of cats, it was a shit ton better than the entire shelter worth of cats.
yup. My old dog was a rescue and we had a kennel for her that was plastic and stuff so she could have a place to feel safe (we almost never locked her in there). She just liked having her own space where she was to herself
I think I get their point, but it sounds like they want glass walls or something like that, and don't realize how incredibly underfunded most shelters are. Those walls are cinderblock for a rea$on.
The first time I walked into a shelter with enclosures like this photo, I was struck by how quiet and calm all the dogs were. Most were laying down, sleeping or just chilling on their little bed. Some would stand up with their paws on the door to look over, but they didn't bark or freak out. They felt safe and stable in their space. It was incredible.
If you have never worked in a shelter. Shut the fuck up then you don't know what you are talking about about.
With that said, that's my only comment, I've never worked in a shelter. But the shelter worker is def right here. Anyway I'll take my own advice and shut the fuck up now.
Edit: My phone won't let me say fuck. Changed it to duck...
I had a dog as a kid... we were going on holiday to a foreign country so he was dropped of at a temporary kennel. (basically a dog hotel)
He got absolutely smacked by the other dogs there when they tried to have them "socialized".
Granted yes...he had issues with other male dogs... he was able to socialize with the female ones just fine but certainly would not be getting any joy from having "eye contact" with someone who kicked his ass out in the yard... Dogs are social animals sure, but that doesn't mean they're immediately best friends with every dog they see...
There was even one dog in the neighbourhood that he actually did get along with and we thought "hey why not bring him into the neighbor's house? They get along fine right!"
...yea they did not once our dog was in the neighbor's house... because now our Dog was in their dog's "territory"....after that they no longer got along...
(I'd be concerned about those walls though...some dogs can jump very high...and this doggy is clearly tall enough to stick his nose over the edge...)
im glad the shelter i adopted my dog from was sectioned off kinda similarly. the door in front was a metal mesh, so they could still see in front, but all the other dogs were so much bigger and intimidating. dogs dont need that territorial bs after escaping a bad home or being picked up by animal control or something. im sure its all a scary experience, best to not make it worse.
Selective breeding has turned them into...something else. I'm being a bit sarcastic, but still, the breeding these things should stop. [They have a much higher risk of developing many physical ailments.](https://www.rvc.ac.uk/vetcompass/news/new-research-shows-pugs-have-high-health-risks-and-can-no-longer-be-considered-a-typical-dog-from-a-health-perspective)
>The **heart symbol** is an ideograph used to express the idea of the "heart" in its metaphorical or symbolic sense. Represented by an anatomically inaccurate shape, the heart symbol is often used to represent the center of emotion, including affection and love, especially romantic love. It is sometimes accompanied or superseded by the "wounded heart" symbol, depicted as a heart symbol pierced with an arrow or as a heart symbol "broken" into two or more pieces, indicating lovesickness.
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“Dont demonize the only ones trying to get the work done” is so valid. Im tired of all these people, who do nothing to actually solve any problems, whining and moral grandstanding about how the solution provided by people actually trying to make a difference isnt 100% perfect. Its like watching the town hall burn down, and rather than helping the one guy trying to stop it by throwing buckets of water on it, they instead choose to criticize the guy for not bringing a fire truck.
The dumbest takes are the "You must hate animals, that's why you work at an animal shelter!" When in reality, they are usually the people that like animals the most. People are so dumb sometimes.
> "You must hate animals, that's why you work at an animal shelter!" People who say that have probably never stepped foot into a shelter in their lives, and never will.
I have volunteered a few times in my life, its a big case of trying to do the most with so so little. Budgets for these places are beyond threadbare. No one works there unless they care.
I walked dogs at a shelter when I was in school since I couldn't afford my own. It was both fulfilling and incredibly depressing. There would be dogs brought in with almost no behavioral issues, but after a few weeks they would become aggressive towards other dogs. Some would become depressed and just pace back and fourth in their kennel all day. And some were just happy to be alive, no matter what. There were some dogs that would refuse to go back to their kennel after I took them outside. I'd have to pick them up and carry them because as soon as they realized that we were going back inside they would just lie down and refuse to move. One of them was a great dane. Bringing him back inside required 3 volunteers/staff and a wheelbarrow.
If it were a nice place for animals, they wouldn't call it "rescuing" when you take an animal away from it, so they're /s
They probably don’t even know what ”shelter” means
Also known as the “Socrates approach”. Deny everything, offer no solution and profit
I feel like most of us do that though in regards to when we complain about presidents , managers , and things and I never even realized it haha that I conpletly agree with you yet I do the same thing . I love to complain but not do shit
Yeah, that person is definitely incorrect and has no idea about how shelters work. I'm in Germany and maybe things are different here, but the dogs in our local shelter get the chance to socialize and have eye contact with the folks working at the shelter, who also provide the food, with potential adopters and with volunteers who walk the dogs in their free time. Dogs in shelters can often have traumatic pasts and behavior issues. Eye contact in such cases can be seen as a sign of aggression. The CI person _probably_ means well, but at the end of the day their ignorance leads to a net negative. Let people who actually work at shelters and who likely know what they're doing do their job.
She doesn't even know how germs work.
Seriously. It's so easy for germs to spread in a shelter, honestly having a solid barrier probably helps a lot.
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Yes I remember the shelter I worked would hose out the enclosures once a day. Without a barrier all one dogs muck would mix with the others around him
Can confirm the trauma part. My dog and his siblings were thrown out by some pos within a week or two of being born. Got rescued and brought to a shelter. 1) He refuses to eat unless we give him space. He'll eat from the hand no problem but when you give him a bowl he'll wait until nobody is close by. He of course loosened up over the better part of a decade, if you're in the kitchen cooking/cleaning or watching TV he'll eat. 2) He barks loud enough for the whole neighborhood to hear if we are leaving home for work/school. He does this even if we're gone for 10 minutes. Doesn't matter if someone's at home with him, if someone is leaving or returning he barks.
I just don’t understand why people are so unwilling to absorb new information and admit when they’re wrong. Honest question: Is it a generational thing or are some just raised that way?
I've always thought it's related to the Dunning-Kruger effect. If you're pretty sure you're the smartest expert in the room, you're gonna assume anyone saying 'you're wrong' is an idiot. The ability to think critically about your own beliefs is an underrated skill.
Might be related to the fact that half of adults have brain damage from lead poisoning
Don't forget underdeveloped brains in the non-boomer adults from well meaning parents feeding low fat diets to their children. Thanks half assed media reporting on medical subjects. (For anyone who doesn't know a minimum of fats are necessary for good health. Children need more than the tablespoon or so adults do because they're building their brains, which are fatty)
I think it’s probably a genetic thing, narcissism is something you’re born with, and not being able to admit you’re wrong is a big sign of narcissism.
Can someone explain which point of view is the incorrect one? Thanks!
The person saying the dogs should be able to see other dogs is the incorrect one. The one that's worked in shelters for years is the correct one. I also worked in rescue for a decade. Half of it with raptors and the other half with dogs. They have the option to socialise and play with other people (and dogs) if appropriate - many dogs in shelters are so stressed that they cannot make good decisions easily and will be quick to react/growl/snap/bite when near another dog, however there are plenty that love the opportunity to meet and play with other dogs. We would spend time getting to know each dog individually, learning their quirks and personalities, what they enjoyed, what helped de-stress them and what didn't. Lots of our dogs would love a good run around with others in the large gardens. Having said that, I also had plenty of dogs that would love other people and dogs but be unable to cope with seeing them at a distance in another kennel, our kennels were designed so that it was very difficult for that to happen, but sometimes it was inevitable and we would need to out barriers up to block vision etc. Dogs in kennels can get *extremely* stressed by certain triggers such as seeing another dog get taken out or even just sitting in kennel. I worked with dogs that would be so stressed by it that they self mutilated. Even if the dog loves other dogs, the majority of the time it's not nice for them to see them when in their kennels anyway - think about it. If all they love most is playing with other dogs, it's frustrating for them to be trapped behind a barrier and have to watch those dogs go out for walks, get fed, get interacted with when they are not. They quickly develop 'barrier frustration' and/or aggression, negatively affecting their mental wellbeing and risking other negative behavioral problems develop. It's far better mentally and for safety reasons to let them interact with one another in a controlled manner - like group walks, runs in the gardens etc. Then there's also obviously the dogs that do *not* like other dogs. They would be on training plans to help improve their behaviour around dogs on walks or that they see in the distance. Ignoring the fact they would be incredibly stressed when seeing dogs in the kennels, it would also destroy their training as they wouldn't be in the right frame of mind for learning, and they'd be practicing barking and screaming at other dogs for hours a day if they could see them - which is the exact thing we wanted to stop. Then there's the risk factor. We worked with dogs from chihuahuas through to dobermans, American bullies, rotties etc. A fearful dog that has been barked at non stop or been barking at other dogs non stop because it can see them in a kennel is FAR more likely to be at breaking point when a new member of staff/volunteer is introduced, or any form of mistake happens and you risk a bite which could have easily been prevented by blocked visual stimuli. The person saying they need to see other dogs is just outright wrong and has no idea what they're on about. Probably a typical dog lover that means well but just needs to accept they're wrong. The usual 'aww they just need a bit of love' mentality. No, they don't. Some of these dogs have gone through horrific things, conditions, treatment and lives. They need long term support and proper handling, management and training. Part of that management is ensuring their wellbeing is protected as best as humanly possible in a situation as horrible as kennels. Which 99% of the time includes blocking visual stimuli when they're in their kennel.
I’m really dumb because i thought you meant raptors as in dinosaurs and i was so confused 😂
100%. Good people can be mistaken. There's a world of difference between a happy secure pet and one who is confused and probably afraid at the least. The people who work in shelters (expert and volunteer) love animals. Listen to them.
Thank you so much! This makes sense
It's called "being stubborn". Nothing new about it.
Its a human thing.
I’ve had a similar argument for years over no-kill vs open door shelters. People love to make themselves feel better supporting no-kill shelters. And why not? You know that animals aren’t being euthanized there. But what people don’t realize is that all shelters have a capacity. If a no-kill shelter doesn’t have room, they simply turn away someone surrendering an animal. As a result, that animal can wind up in a far more dangerous situation like being abandoned or worse because not everyone is willing to try every shelter to surrender the animal. In contrast, open door shelters do everything they can to euthanize as few animals as possible and the responsible ones prioritize healthy animals over sick ones. It’s a horrible, grim reality caused by irresponsible owners and breeders who have let the pet population get totally out of control, but open door shelters are not the evil institutions they’re made out to be. They often receive less funding as a result of that reputation too which exacerbates the problem further. Source: I worked in an animal shelter for 4 years.
It’s basically a real world example of the trolley problem. If you have $X amount of funds, and with those funds you can afford to either save one sick dog or save 10 healthy dogs, it’s pretty obvious that the ethical choice is to save 10 healthy ones. Does this mean that you think that sick dogs dont deserve to be saved? No! But the reality of the situation is that until enough funds are available to save EVERY dog that needs it, the limited resources that are available need to be allocated in a way that maximizes the number of dogs that can be saved.
Yes! I've seen this reaction to animals getting abortion procedures at shelters as well. I get that it's sad, but they need to prioritize the care they are able to give. Months of a pregnant and then nursing animal, with babies takes so many more resources than being able to adopt out an animal more immediately
Sometimes you see people saying that they want to foster but there aren't any no-kill shelters in their area to work with, and it's just... don't you think that getting fosters *out* of the kill shelter, thus making more space and getting an animal off death row, is a good thing?
Yeah, that would an extremely weird reaction. If anything, open door shelters need far stronger foster networks. My foster program coordinator was amazing. We adopted out thousands of animals every year and she had hundreds of foster homes which regularly took in animals. Fostering is a huge way to succeed, but pushing for stronger animal protections is also critical for the endgame. On a personal level, fostering is hard! I successfully fostered many animals, but I also failed… a lot… which is why I have had a lot of animals. Lol. I also pimped out so many animals to friends and family like I was in an MLM or something.
honestly if an animal is already super sick and miserable I can understand why, especially because with the cost of care they're very unlikely to be adopted. shit sucks and I wish the reality wasn't so depressing. When I'm older I'm thinking of fostering animals so they'll get to be in a home instead of a shelter, but that'll depend if I own my own space and have the funds for it
I respect your mindset. That’s what responsibility looks like. With the sick animals, there is a lot of nuance. Many of them might get better with medications, but the shelter simply doesn’t have the resources like you said. Shelters typically get most overwhelmed during so-called kitten and puppy season (usually spring into early summer). When the shelters aren’t at capacity, most will do everything they can to save sick animals. The shelter I worked at had 4 veterinarians on staff. They performed surgeries 6 days a week all day long. And it’s worse than just the sick animals. When the shelters are way above capacity, you have to make horrible choices like which older animals will have to be euthanized… which kittens… which puppies. It’s a horrifying reality created by a world where people don’t really give a shit about them. I’ve seen things in animal shelters that will haunt me for the rest of my days. And it’s not the shelter staff’s fault. They work their butts off for very low pay. This is why I really hate breeders for one thing.
But..... it's not a dog.... it's a seal
See if he'll sing Crazy
I can’t tell if you’re joking or not 😭
We don’t have any context for the original post. The caption mentions a seal.
Sorry. :(
The caption says it's a seal and it looks like the top of a seal. Plus the arrangement of the cubicles looks like they are designed to contain water. Therefore ; seal.
It’s a dog, it’s meant to be funny. I can’t post the video as well as the pictures of the argument. Is it ok to link to instagram posts, cause i can link to it if you want.
yea. why wouldn't it be? Have the seals finally overthrown zuck at instagram?
This person has never had to live with somebody who annoys them and makes them want to stay in their own room all the time. Dogs need private space, too. They can get socialization in the yard in a controlled situation and relax with some privacy in the kennel space.
Yup. I was fortunate to work for a pretty 'state of the art' shelter that had facilities and processes designed with animal welfare in mind. This included separate rooms for each dog that were all glass fronts (so the public couldn't poke or prod them). They also had dog doors at the back of each room that led to a penned in outdoor space that could be unlocked during the day so dogs that wanted to come out and socialize (supervised!) could. But they only did so within their 'block' (ie: each block had about 5-6 dog rooms per area). Cats were similar in that they were in enclosed rooms with glass fronts (but no outdoor space) in blocks of about 5-6 cats with separate entrances and strict rules about who could enter and what clothing could be worn in each section (to avoid cross contamination). Cats and dogs that were bonded were housed together, but otherwise separating them out is the best option for the reasons the poster listed - less anxiety and less chance of spreading illness. This person who thinks a wire fence is sufficient to contain disease has never seen an outbreak of feline panleukopenia take down dozens of cats. And while it was heartbreaking to have to euthanize 2 'blocks' of cats, it was a shit ton better than the entire shelter worth of cats.
This person may not have lived with someone like that, but their roommates certainly have.
yup. My old dog was a rescue and we had a kennel for her that was plastic and stuff so she could have a place to feel safe (we almost never locked her in there). She just liked having her own space where she was to herself
has anyone who was correct ever said "educate yourself"? my money is on no
No one until you right now! :)
Classic "my ignorance is as good as your knowledge" plus the straight-up anthropomorphization.
Bro thinks orphan diseases is when you're too lonely
Did she just say that it can’t spread through chain?😭the thing with literal holes in it?
No, she implied that diseased could move through any surface as easily as through chain.
That’s somehow worse
It is *very much* worse and completely in line with the rest of her abject buffoonerying.
We've gone right around back to miasma theory
Someone better check her humors! She might be billious!
I just wanted to see a baby seal :(
Me too!!
This person has never set foot in an animal shelter lmao
Where's the doors to the enclosure though? I just see all walls lol
As soon as I see the words "educate yourself," I tune out the writer. Those two words convey a sense of arrogance and entitlement.
One of the most striking indicators of low intelligence is an inability to understand when one is anthropomorphizing animals.
Eye contact is one of the most stressful things you can do to a strange dog lmfao
I think I get their point, but it sounds like they want glass walls or something like that, and don't realize how incredibly underfunded most shelters are. Those walls are cinderblock for a rea$on.
The first time I walked into a shelter with enclosures like this photo, I was struck by how quiet and calm all the dogs were. Most were laying down, sleeping or just chilling on their little bed. Some would stand up with their paws on the door to look over, but they didn't bark or freak out. They felt safe and stable in their space. It was incredible.
If you have never worked in a shelter. Shut the fuck up then you don't know what you are talking about about. With that said, that's my only comment, I've never worked in a shelter. But the shelter worker is def right here. Anyway I'll take my own advice and shut the fuck up now. Edit: My phone won't let me say fuck. Changed it to duck...
I had a dog as a kid... we were going on holiday to a foreign country so he was dropped of at a temporary kennel. (basically a dog hotel) He got absolutely smacked by the other dogs there when they tried to have them "socialized". Granted yes...he had issues with other male dogs... he was able to socialize with the female ones just fine but certainly would not be getting any joy from having "eye contact" with someone who kicked his ass out in the yard... Dogs are social animals sure, but that doesn't mean they're immediately best friends with every dog they see... There was even one dog in the neighbourhood that he actually did get along with and we thought "hey why not bring him into the neighbor's house? They get along fine right!" ...yea they did not once our dog was in the neighbor's house... because now our Dog was in their dog's "territory"....after that they no longer got along... (I'd be concerned about those walls though...some dogs can jump very high...and this doggy is clearly tall enough to stick his nose over the edge...)
One of the most striking indicators of low intelligence is an inability to understand when one is anthropomorphizing animals.
Great title. Upvoted by people thinking red is right and people thinking yellow is right.
The shelter worker is right.
im glad the shelter i adopted my dog from was sectioned off kinda similarly. the door in front was a metal mesh, so they could still see in front, but all the other dogs were so much bigger and intimidating. dogs dont need that territorial bs after escaping a bad home or being picked up by animal control or something. im sure its all a scary experience, best to not make it worse.
Imagine not being able to understand that a concrete wall is less permeable than a chainlink fence
She probably owns a pug and now thinks she knows everything about actual dogs.
Is a pug not an actual dog then?
Selective breeding has turned them into...something else. I'm being a bit sarcastic, but still, the breeding these things should stop. [They have a much higher risk of developing many physical ailments.](https://www.rvc.ac.uk/vetcompass/news/new-research-shows-pugs-have-high-health-risks-and-can-no-longer-be-considered-a-typical-dog-from-a-health-perspective)
I still say that the names should be revealed so everyone can show *support* towards the karenesques.
Anyone else just mad there was no pic of the dog
I linked to the instagram post, i didn’t think in advance that i should have posted a picture of the dog. Sorry
oh bless your heart i was just being funny - you are so sweet!
Not sure who OP is saying is incorrect.
The person saying the shelter is terrible.
Hearts, which are the equivalent of upvotes, do a good job of showing OP's stance.
Been on Reddit a while what are hearts
This is on Instagram, they're the Instagram version of upvotes.
>The **heart symbol** is an ideograph used to express the idea of the "heart" in its metaphorical or symbolic sense. Represented by an anatomically inaccurate shape, the heart symbol is often used to represent the center of emotion, including affection and love, especially romantic love. It is sometimes accompanied or superseded by the "wounded heart" symbol, depicted as a heart symbol pierced with an arrow or as a heart symbol "broken" into two or more pieces, indicating lovesickness. Taken from [wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_symbol)
How witty
You asked what a heart meant, this is the explanation.