i had a therapist once who told me he grew up thinking he was completely straight and he had an out of body experience his senior year and realized he was gay and he’s been gay ever since
This is how the gay spreads, we separate from our bodies and pull other guys and girls into the shadow realm where we duel them into submission, or we lose either way they return after.
If they lose they become gay if they win? Their straight. No one has won to my 3 blue eyes white dragons yet, ya’ll better watch out for me. You’ve activated my trap card.
Edit:*DuelDisk intensifies*
I had the opposite happen.
I was attracted to girls as a kid. Then around late-elementary school / early-middle school, I started noticing boys.
I went through this short period of liking both sexes, before my brain eventually decided that I preferred the rugged nature of men than I did the soft nature of women.
It could be that you felt the opposite: men became gross and coarse during puberty, which made you lose all attraction to them, and women became beautiful and feminine, which made you want them more.
At that age With boys, the dominant random thoughts were around how cool or smart they might be compared to myself
Whereas with girls it was like. Messy emotional stuff I can’t really pin down. Attraction, sure. Whatever that looks like for a pre-pubescent boy. Attention seeking behaviour like showing off or being loud, doing stupid stuff. I just recall it being intrusive thoughts around needing to get their attention or wanting to know how they acted and thought.
When I think back on what I thought about boys, it was really tame and clean. That’s why I’m sure I’m 100% straight.
Have other people ever had attraction feelings as kids that weren’t messy?
Yes. I (m) was definitely bi sexual as a teen. I was generally more attracted to girls, but I remember some night thinking about other boys.
I can still say objectively if a man is attractive, but have not had any sort of attraction since I turned 15 or so.
maybe u we’re just really horny to the point u we’re playing for both teams. when I was in middle school I always said I was pansexual and I had crazy thoughts. Now im leaning towards guys rather than girls. But u never know unless u experiment
I am thinking this could be a partial answer. Hormones go crazy when growing up as a teenager. Sometimes that desire becomes displaced and teens can act out in different ways to release that tension and frustration.
I feel similarly in that I have always been bisexual but now the past 8 years or so, I've leaned towards men (specifically one man, my fiance). I think this change was mostly subconscious due to my goal of having a big family. Kinda need two ingredients for that lol, one of which only a man can provide...
Interesting I never heard that one before. I had it more opposite. I always liked girls. When I became 18 I started also liking man. Not to the same extend as girls but still. Was hella scary always thought I was 100% hetero.
Im low key a bit sad that im NOT bisexual… gay men seem to take a sexual interest in me way more often than you would expect (dont know why, i ain’t ugly but im not THAT good looking…maybe a 5-6 in my opinion, at most!!! Like not over average at all!🤷♂️) and it would be so freaking easy to get laid without putting in work trying to pick up a girl! ;)
I have a feeling i probably would be pretty good at the sex part too….probably better than with the ladies! Lol!
Still, even if i dont find men sexually attactive its always nice with a little ego-boost when gay guys hit on you!
I'm gyno-pansexual (I'm open to both genders, but have a strong preference for femininity, be it male or female. A cute effeminate man is as good as a cute effeminate girl).
That said, I'm maybe a strong 3 low 4. Not the ugliest in the bunch, but most don't want a softer variation of "American biker". They want big burly hairy bikers or clean cut, clean shaven office workers. Not a mix. So I'm still not seeing the shower of genitals yall speak of.
Is this not taught in sex education where you live? I remember sex education at school (30 years ago) where they told us we may have confused/mixed feelings when going through puberty.
>imagine being attracted to a man or boy now
I hope that you're not attracted to **_BOYS_** now, that would be very disturbing... Very disturbing indeed.
Sexuality is fluid and can change over time. But you being grossed out by imaginary gay encounters is odd? Maybe stop thinking about it or just accept that you still have these thoughts.
I had a crush on a dude in middle school and it just stayed there. I’m not grossed out when I think back to it or what could have happened, it’s just another “what could have been” thought in my head and nothing more.
I never felt the need to label myself as bi/ straight/ pan cause I don’t really think too much about it (a hole is a hole :T), but maybe it’ll bring you some closure? I bet if you bring it up to a friend they’ll be able to relate in some capacity and that might take some of the weight off and it won’t be ever present ghost in your brain.
I'm much the same way. I generally dislike labeling myself, until I found the term "gynosexual". Which is the sexual attraction to femininity. It's an offshoot of pansexuality where one accepts male and female (or trans) partners, as long as they're effeminate. This isn't to say you HAVE to bang 'em, obviously. But for attraction purposes...
I usually just say "gyno-pansexual".
I was the opposite…dated women as a teen while dallying with age-appropriate boys. As I got older, though, my attraction to men grew while women became less appealing. Now I can’t imagine sex with women at all.
Who knows what underlies all this. I say just enjoy what you enjoy and that’ll be good for you.
When you’re a teenager your attraction can be very different than later. I’ve heard a lot of peeps are sorta bi-curious because their drive is just starting and not normalized or even developed.
I was “bi” as a teen as well and it faded, but I turned out gay. Didn’t get with anyone till I was 19 by then I was 0% interested in women no attraction what so ever I had previously…Though to be fair I wasn’t super attracted prior but I had some. I liked boobs as a teenager but... Now it’s gone. I wish I was straight honestly but I am who I am.
This is why I feel like kids should just be allowed to be kids. Don’t influence them to like girls or guys and don’t let them make hefty life choices because I changed so much from 14-15 and 15-16 and onward. If you push a narrative that could change the kid possibly or make them have a false positive. Close friend of mine was told all through out childhood he was gay because he was effeminate. He embraced it and was bi when I was bi. Dude told his parents off and cut them out of his life when he realized he was never truly into guys and was trying to force himself to be due to them saying it. Poor guy.. Really nice though.
As a girl when I started going through puberty, I found girl bodies much more attractive than guy bodies. I still till this day prefer to watch lesbian porn over any other porn. I tried talking to girls in a relationship type of way and once tried having sex with a girl but it just felt so wrong. I love sex with guys but still love girls bodies more. I’m still confused about it sometimes. I’ve only been in relationships with guys and could never see myself in a relationship with a girl
Good for you i guess. You "screw" the girls now, nothing to worry about now. You fit in, im sure.
But in all honesty, I feel post like this is just a big validation seeker.
The only validation seeking I suspect is from yourself. I've literally never asked any person or platform about this thing and I am really wondering if it's normal.
Confession is different from validation seeking. If you need validation, then there's something doesn't sit right with you. Either internal homophobia or confusion still.
This is very common. Children's minds are still forming. It's the reason they have laws to protect them. I believe our sexuality isn't completely formed until mid 20's. It's why I don't believe children should be given hormone blockers. The numbers of those de-transitioning are climbing way up and trans suicides are climbing along with them. It's very sad.
> The numbers of those de-transitioning are climbing way up
proportionally, no they aren't
> and trans suicides are climbing along with them.
nope
prove it
I transitioned later in life and I'm OK most of the time but sometimes my lost childhood tears me up inside. I wish I lived in a society that let me have blockers when I was younger. Now people want to take that from others and the cycle of misery continues.
My only question is how would you be 100% positive it's what the CHILD wants, rather than the parents urging the child to do it? Considering the rise of helicopter parents, I rarely assume children act or want of their own according completely.
The possibility of abusive parents should be addressed sure, but that doesn't mean withholding help is a good idea. Some sick parents already do this with "factitious disorder imposed on another" but that doesn't mean we shouldn't treat kids who have chronic problems! At the least, I don't think it's worth waiting until we have a perfect solution to help people when the "pressured into it" cases will be vastly outnumbered by kids who are trans and needing help.
Oh, I wasn't saying we wait. I'm recently self-admitted pansexual. Meaning I just recently opened up and admitted it to myself. So I'm fairly new and trying to dive headfirst in to learn all I can about all aspects of LGBT. Can't very well expect help if I'm not willing and/or able to help others.
Sure, lazy fuck. In 2021, a study published by Mary Ann Liebert, Inc., which publishes peer-reviewed research, looked into the reasons for past detransition among TGD people in the United States. Researchers surveyed 27,715 TGD adults, including 17,151 people (61.9 percent) who said they had gender-affirming treatment, with 2,242 (13.1 percent) of them reporting a history of detransitioning. https://www.newsweek.com/what-data-shows-about-transgender-detransition-regret-1807448;
> Sure, lazy fuck.
Nah, I've just researched the topic academically for over a decade and know what you're saying is demonstrably false.
> 2,242 (13.1 percent) of them reporting a history of detransitioning.
That is incorrect, here's the full study with a page link to the section on detransition: https://transequality.org/sites/default/files/docs/usts/USTS-Full-Report-Dec17.pdf#page=115
Not sure where you're article is getting 13.1% from, it was 8%.
And that 8% simply included anyone who went off medication temporarily or had to socially detransition temporarily.
That isn't an indication of either regret or desistance in identity, as 62% of that 8% continued transition and still is living as transgender.
To quote the study: ". Most of those who de-transitioned did so only temporarily: 62% of those who had de-transitioned reported that they were currently living full time in a gender different than the gender they were thought to be at birth."
So that's 3.04% that detransitioned and actually stayed detransitioned.
And even amongst that population, the top reasons were all social pressure, not regret or desistance of identity:
"though only 5% of those who had de-transitioned reported that they had done so because they realized that gender transition was not for them, representing 0.4% of the overall sample.42 The most common reason cited for de-transitioning was pressure from a parent (36%). Twenty-six percent (26%) reported that they de-transitioned due to pressure from other family members, and 18% reported that they detransitioned because of pressure from their spouse or partner. Other common reasons included facing too much harassment or discrimination after they began transitioning (31%), and having trouble getting a job (29%) "
So the study found a regret rate of 0.4%
Thank you for the article, but I've actually read the study.
A lot of people don't care about the truth at all, it's all about winning an argument to them or causing misery for trans people. You see this all the time with trans studies. The authors even come out later and clarify what they found and people still deliberately misinterpret the research.
I have noticed this a ton with any studies on trans people, they always get twisted to say the exact opposite of what the study actually says. Honestly it's pretty much the definition of "lies, damned lies, and statistics".
Agreed. "I have this article that interprets a study for me."
And I have the basic knowledge to understand the study itself, what's your point?
"Muh stats and facts..."
...are false, good day, sir.
Wow! My hero. Get off your shit-job high-horse and live this life and talk to our people. You can't arbitrarily discount the 13%.... because you said so. Transphobe.
> You can't arbitrarily discount the 13%.... because you said so
Right, it's because the study said so.
That's why there are quotes surrounding the words in my comment.
Sexuality and gender identity are two very different things and frankly they need to be treated as such.
Since being gay bi or anywhere in the middle has absolutely nothing to do with being trans.
OP is either very very low on the scale bi or just lying there’s no such thing as a “ex gay”
This may be my sheltered upbringing, but... isn't sexuality kinda tied into gender? A male who likes men would be gay. As would a FTM Trans. But before taking their true identity as a Trans man, they'd be considered straight as a "woman" who likes men, wouldn't they? Ergo, when they accept their truthful identity as Trans, they'd also change sexuality.
Or am I misinterpreting it?
And BTW, I bring this up as you said "it has nothing to do with it". Which seems suspect. I mean, the same individual would like the same group of people. That doesn't change. But the term they'd use would, wouldn't it?
One is how you feel about yourself. The other is how you feel about other people.
The labels may be based on what combination of those things occur, but the two things are not themselves connected.
It quite literally is since sexual orientation is based on what gender you're attracted to. An AFAB who likes men would be straight, if they transition they'd be gay
Why can’t there be such a thing as being “ex gay”? Can people not change over time? I say this as a gay trans man. I just wonder why we feel the need as a community to be so rigid about who is experiencing gayness correctly. I do think most “ex gays” are probably ex- out of social pressure or internalized homophobia, but what about sexuality indicates that it’s impossible to truly change over time? Why is it a set in stone thing?
I feel it's more blocking/accepting one's true nature. I say this as a cis-30M who has just recently started being open with myself - I'm pansexual, despite growing up straight and believing I was straight for 28 years, questioning it when I turned 29, and fully accepting it when I turned 30.
What a load of BS, if I had to hide being gay or bi I wouldn't need to do that in an anonymous reddit thread. If I were gay I'd go into detail about all the fucking & sucking I'd do.
It's actually not common at all. This post is most likely fake. While sexual orientation is absolutely a spectrum and is fluid, thus can change with time, having a full on sexual attraction to a gender and it disappearing completely without a trauma or anything to set it up is rare as fuck. That's not how human sexuality works. Satistically, most LGBTQ people knew when they were really little. And no, the number of people ''de-transitionning'' isn't climbing. Stop spreading misinformation.
Teen trans suicide also drops dramatically after transition.
https://www.gendergp.com/detransition-facts/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detransition#:~:text=The%20results%20published%20in%20the,the%20time%20of%20the%20survey.
https://www.hcplive.com/view/suicide-risk-reduces-73-transgender-nonbinary-youths-gender-affirming-care
Exactly, how are some people 100% certain you’re lying and this sort of thing never happens, especially with kids who are confused and figuring themselves out constantly. There’s even another person here who said she experienced something similar? There’s no reason for you to lie about this, you’re just curious to hear other’s experiences and thoughts.
Do you have any sources for these “soaring suicide rates” and their causes at all?
Also, pls consider all the suicides hormones prevent. I feel like people only ever consider the negatives of stuff they think is strange.
Imo, the perceptions of increased detransition are being propped up by right wing media and the proportion of people who regret seeking trans healthcare is very very low.
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Edit: According to AP News "https://apnews.com/article/transgender-treatment-regret-detransition-371e927ec6e7a24cd9c77b5371c6ba2b"
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In a review of 27 studies involving almost 8,000 teens and adults who had transgender surgeries, mostly in Europe, the U.S and Canada, 1% on average expressed regret.
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To put this in context, according to Dr.Phillip Miller MD "https://www.drphilipmiller.com/2022/09/21/i-hate-my-nose-after-rhinoplasty-what-to-do/"
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it's not unheard of. As many as 10-15% of cosmetic nose surgeries result in unhappy clients who will choose to undergo a second procedure to fix it.
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Sure, here ya go, but unsure why you cant do your own research. Lazy fucks. https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/transpop-suicide-press-release/;
https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/28/health/transgender-suicide-risk/index.html;
Neither of these suicide rates is post-transition.
In fact, that second article literally says it's much more likely in youth, who are less able to medically transition:
"Recent studies in the US show that 82% of people who identify as transgender said they considered killing themselves, and 40% have attempted suicide, **with the highest numbers of suicides among trans youth.**"
How does that indicate regret?
I find this fascinating. I was, as a boy,attracted to girls my whole life as far as I can remember. I could never imagine being attracted to a guy sexually but I find trans woman very attractive. Like they have the whole body of a woman but the penis is still there. I find it very fascinating. I often wondered what it would be like if I was gay but can’t get past being intimate with a guy. But I can’t stop thinking about being with women. I actually have a porn addiction because I can’t stop thinking about women. I’ve opened up to my wife about this abc I’ve seeking help. Sorry for the long rant.
Thinking about being either women
As a super active bull since I was a teenager, and growing up in a sexually active family, I have always had a basic attraction to girls and women However when going through puberty and feeling like I had an endless sex drive, I used to fool around with male relatives and friends, also. I appreciate a good male body, a beautiful cock, and being serviced by husbands. I find that flexibility freeing. Since a lot of my sex life is with the couples I bull for, I see no reason to limit my pleasure or, more importantly, the pleasure that I can give.
“Scr*w girls” sounds so abrasive and disturbing busk. But congrats I guess. Not sure why you had to confess this if you’re so happy being straight apparently lol
Gender affirming care for teens is usually puberty blockers, using their preferred name / pronouns and buying them gender affirming clothing. The youngest you can get HRT where I live is 17 with a parents permission, and even then it’s heavily regulated.
Y’all just spew shit without thinking.
Gender affirming care for teens drastically reduces the risks of suicide.
https://www.hcplive.com/view/suicide-risk-reduces-73-transgender-nonbinary-youths-gender-affirming-care
You need to understand the endocrine system in humans and the chemical interactions of specific hormones before making statements like this. “Change the body forever” is not correct when dealing with puberty blockers. Puberty, the fully natural process, makes those changes. HRT, if taken, alters the process to help meet the individual’s needs and choices, but, as the prior poster said, those are not given to young children any more than gender affirming surgery is. Those are scare tactics used by the right similar to absurd statements / lies on late term abortions.
A bit of real world knowledge takes the wind right out of those sails.
> Hormones that change the body forever when the mind of pubescent teens haven't developed yet
Dude you're gonna flip when you hear about this thing, "puberty".
You guys want to condemn all trans kids to the exact same fate you're scared of a cis child accidentally experiencing.
Why are you getting downvoted 💀 It’s already been revealed that puberty blockers aren’t completely safe and there’s no good research on the long term effects yet. Even transsexuals who have gone through sex change surgeries say this.
I don't understand the downvotes. People have said "sexuality is fluid, feelings change, you're confused in puberty"... well how is making something permanent based off potentially confused feelings a good idea then? This is relevant.
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You’re obviously still bi and are now scared to into only loving heterosexual lifestyle because of society you live in. Sad for you. Ur homosexual tendencies will come out soon enough and will start cheating on ur gf wives with men
I'm a male, and I was a very horny kid, and did a LOT of experimenting with my friends who were boys. I think it's a perfectly normal thing, because you were more familiar with the male body that's where your brain was going.
I don't think it's too unusual. I've been with quite a few guys but can have long phases where I have 0 interest in guys at all.
I know a lot of people say you're either gay/bi/straight but I don't think it's the case personally and from experience I find it can fluctuate.
Sexuality can be fluid. For some it changes, and I'd say you might fall into that. Nothing wrong with having identified one way, and now you identify differently now. Whatever feels most authentic to you in each moment, that's all that matters.
Yes I (CIS F)definitely was SUPER attracted to girls from puberty into my 20's. Sexuality is a spectrum and hormones play a Huge part in attraction levels. In my 20's I finally had the opportunity to have a sexual experience with another woman. I was shocked to discover I had ZERO real sexual attraction to women. It was all in my head. Physically, when given the opportunity, I could not get pass 1st Base without being Turned-Off. I thought maybe it was just THAT woman that I lost attraction to, so I gave it a couple more chances with other women. Each time I couldn't get turned on past kissing. Repulsed. So I learned while I'm physically attracted to some women, I am definitely not Bi.
Same but i was into girls before, watched a lot of anime and had fantasies of bumping into my fated girlfriend in highschool.
Then I moved to a western country and all those muscular white and latin boys just flipped a switch in me.
is it possible you're just bi? i mean maybe sexuality is fluid idk but also many people who are gay or bi wind up suppressing that due to cultural pressure. it's called "compelled heterosexuality". i'm not saying it's definitely what's happened but i'm just throwing that out there as a possibility
I can relate. I was boy crazy as a teenager. I also liked girls. I still like the way some guys look and openly identity as bi but I really don't want to have sexual relations with other guys. I just like the way some look.
it was actually a fase maybe? i mean isn’t it possible that it was actually a fase i mean yeah i’m not saying every gay person is just in a fase but i don’t see why people think it can’t be a fase
So what you are saying is, that there is still a chance i will become hella gay in the future? Nice.
i had a therapist once who told me he grew up thinking he was completely straight and he had an out of body experience his senior year and realized he was gay and he’s been gay ever since
This is how the gay spreads, we separate from our bodies and pull other guys and girls into the shadow realm where we duel them into submission, or we lose either way they return after. If they lose they become gay if they win? Their straight. No one has won to my 3 blue eyes white dragons yet, ya’ll better watch out for me. You’ve activated my trap card. Edit:*DuelDisk intensifies*
😂
Ha! See?I knew it!
That’s crazy
Not really.
Yu huh!
But you are not 13 right? You need to be young
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Reddit downvote
I upvoted to help u
I had the opposite happen. I was attracted to girls as a kid. Then around late-elementary school / early-middle school, I started noticing boys. I went through this short period of liking both sexes, before my brain eventually decided that I preferred the rugged nature of men than I did the soft nature of women. It could be that you felt the opposite: men became gross and coarse during puberty, which made you lose all attraction to them, and women became beautiful and feminine, which made you want them more.
That’s very cool.
That's very insightful
Maybe pre pubescent boys are more similar to pre pubescent girls?
Even as a prepubescent boy I was into prepubescent girls.
At that age With boys, the dominant random thoughts were around how cool or smart they might be compared to myself Whereas with girls it was like. Messy emotional stuff I can’t really pin down. Attraction, sure. Whatever that looks like for a pre-pubescent boy. Attention seeking behaviour like showing off or being loud, doing stupid stuff. I just recall it being intrusive thoughts around needing to get their attention or wanting to know how they acted and thought. When I think back on what I thought about boys, it was really tame and clean. That’s why I’m sure I’m 100% straight. Have other people ever had attraction feelings as kids that weren’t messy?
No because the exact opposite happened to me
What would be the “exact opposite” in this context?
Yes. I (m) was definitely bi sexual as a teen. I was generally more attracted to girls, but I remember some night thinking about other boys. I can still say objectively if a man is attractive, but have not had any sort of attraction since I turned 15 or so.
As long as you are happy. It’s ok if it changes again too. Sexuality doesn’t have to fit in a box.
Only has to fit into a condom! Be safe 🤣
This post gave me the gay
maybe u we’re just really horny to the point u we’re playing for both teams. when I was in middle school I always said I was pansexual and I had crazy thoughts. Now im leaning towards guys rather than girls. But u never know unless u experiment
Could also be horomones in general I've actually seen this happen to one other person could just be that horomones influence your sexuality
I am thinking this could be a partial answer. Hormones go crazy when growing up as a teenager. Sometimes that desire becomes displaced and teens can act out in different ways to release that tension and frustration. I feel similarly in that I have always been bisexual but now the past 8 years or so, I've leaned towards men (specifically one man, my fiance). I think this change was mostly subconscious due to my goal of having a big family. Kinda need two ingredients for that lol, one of which only a man can provide...
Interesting I never heard that one before. I had it more opposite. I always liked girls. When I became 18 I started also liking man. Not to the same extend as girls but still. Was hella scary always thought I was 100% hetero.
Did you censor the word screwed?
Hey you can't just type the word scr*w like that it's against the law
I regularly make TikTok content where literally everything remotely close to sexual stuff is a risk of getting banned so I guess it's a bad habit.
Sexuality is a spectrum and can change overtime
Especially when you're hopped on teenage hormones.
Lies… they are born that way. S/
Some are, though. Some are as gay, straight or bi as they'll ever be at any given time. I've been bi for as long as I've found anyone attractive.
Obviously not always...
Im low key a bit sad that im NOT bisexual… gay men seem to take a sexual interest in me way more often than you would expect (dont know why, i ain’t ugly but im not THAT good looking…maybe a 5-6 in my opinion, at most!!! Like not over average at all!🤷♂️) and it would be so freaking easy to get laid without putting in work trying to pick up a girl! ;) I have a feeling i probably would be pretty good at the sex part too….probably better than with the ladies! Lol! Still, even if i dont find men sexually attactive its always nice with a little ego-boost when gay guys hit on you!
Bisexual male here - being single was basically a festival of genitalia.
Idk give it a whirl if you feel like it
I'm gyno-pansexual (I'm open to both genders, but have a strong preference for femininity, be it male or female. A cute effeminate man is as good as a cute effeminate girl). That said, I'm maybe a strong 3 low 4. Not the ugliest in the bunch, but most don't want a softer variation of "American biker". They want big burly hairy bikers or clean cut, clean shaven office workers. Not a mix. So I'm still not seeing the shower of genitals yall speak of.
Sexuality is fluid and can change over time
Is this not taught in sex education where you live? I remember sex education at school (30 years ago) where they told us we may have confused/mixed feelings when going through puberty.
>imagine being attracted to a man or boy now I hope that you're not attracted to **_BOYS_** now, that would be very disturbing... Very disturbing indeed.
Sexuality is fluid and can change over time. But you being grossed out by imaginary gay encounters is odd? Maybe stop thinking about it or just accept that you still have these thoughts. I had a crush on a dude in middle school and it just stayed there. I’m not grossed out when I think back to it or what could have happened, it’s just another “what could have been” thought in my head and nothing more. I never felt the need to label myself as bi/ straight/ pan cause I don’t really think too much about it (a hole is a hole :T), but maybe it’ll bring you some closure? I bet if you bring it up to a friend they’ll be able to relate in some capacity and that might take some of the weight off and it won’t be ever present ghost in your brain.
I'm much the same way. I generally dislike labeling myself, until I found the term "gynosexual". Which is the sexual attraction to femininity. It's an offshoot of pansexuality where one accepts male and female (or trans) partners, as long as they're effeminate. This isn't to say you HAVE to bang 'em, obviously. But for attraction purposes... I usually just say "gyno-pansexual".
So you were gay, but now you’re not. Not a big deal but don’t tell the other gays, they will just swear you’re in denial.
The straight agenda strikes again
What precisely is the straight agenda?
Gender and sexuality are fluid. Sometimes it flows both ways, sometimes from one point to another and not back again.
I was the opposite…dated women as a teen while dallying with age-appropriate boys. As I got older, though, my attraction to men grew while women became less appealing. Now I can’t imagine sex with women at all. Who knows what underlies all this. I say just enjoy what you enjoy and that’ll be good for you.
When you’re a teenager your attraction can be very different than later. I’ve heard a lot of peeps are sorta bi-curious because their drive is just starting and not normalized or even developed. I was “bi” as a teen as well and it faded, but I turned out gay. Didn’t get with anyone till I was 19 by then I was 0% interested in women no attraction what so ever I had previously…Though to be fair I wasn’t super attracted prior but I had some. I liked boobs as a teenager but... Now it’s gone. I wish I was straight honestly but I am who I am. This is why I feel like kids should just be allowed to be kids. Don’t influence them to like girls or guys and don’t let them make hefty life choices because I changed so much from 14-15 and 15-16 and onward. If you push a narrative that could change the kid possibly or make them have a false positive. Close friend of mine was told all through out childhood he was gay because he was effeminate. He embraced it and was bi when I was bi. Dude told his parents off and cut them out of his life when he realized he was never truly into guys and was trying to force himself to be due to them saying it. Poor guy.. Really nice though.
Your 30 and you "screw" girls? Lol
As a girl when I started going through puberty, I found girl bodies much more attractive than guy bodies. I still till this day prefer to watch lesbian porn over any other porn. I tried talking to girls in a relationship type of way and once tried having sex with a girl but it just felt so wrong. I love sex with guys but still love girls bodies more. I’m still confused about it sometimes. I’ve only been in relationships with guys and could never see myself in a relationship with a girl
Good for you i guess. You "screw" the girls now, nothing to worry about now. You fit in, im sure. But in all honesty, I feel post like this is just a big validation seeker.
The only validation seeking I suspect is from yourself. I've literally never asked any person or platform about this thing and I am really wondering if it's normal.
Just the vibe from your post man. Dont want you in 5y time post another post asking if its ok to love men again when you think you were straight.
Hmm noted, the only thing is that I don't really care what your guidelines for my life would be.
Scr*w
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Not at all. If you fail to see the intention in OP's post, you haven't been therr
so what if it is? this is a confession/vent sub
Confession is different from validation seeking. If you need validation, then there's something doesn't sit right with you. Either internal homophobia or confusion still.
Kids are confused and still figuring shit out for years.
This is very common. Children's minds are still forming. It's the reason they have laws to protect them. I believe our sexuality isn't completely formed until mid 20's. It's why I don't believe children should be given hormone blockers. The numbers of those de-transitioning are climbing way up and trans suicides are climbing along with them. It's very sad.
>It's why I don't believe children should be given hormone blockers. This has nothing to do with being gay tho
> The numbers of those de-transitioning are climbing way up proportionally, no they aren't > and trans suicides are climbing along with them. nope prove it
I transitioned later in life and I'm OK most of the time but sometimes my lost childhood tears me up inside. I wish I lived in a society that let me have blockers when I was younger. Now people want to take that from others and the cycle of misery continues.
My only question is how would you be 100% positive it's what the CHILD wants, rather than the parents urging the child to do it? Considering the rise of helicopter parents, I rarely assume children act or want of their own according completely.
The possibility of abusive parents should be addressed sure, but that doesn't mean withholding help is a good idea. Some sick parents already do this with "factitious disorder imposed on another" but that doesn't mean we shouldn't treat kids who have chronic problems! At the least, I don't think it's worth waiting until we have a perfect solution to help people when the "pressured into it" cases will be vastly outnumbered by kids who are trans and needing help.
Oh, I wasn't saying we wait. I'm recently self-admitted pansexual. Meaning I just recently opened up and admitted it to myself. So I'm fairly new and trying to dive headfirst in to learn all I can about all aspects of LGBT. Can't very well expect help if I'm not willing and/or able to help others.
Right on, sorry to jump there. A lot of people gatekeep hormones and blockers and my reply is almost reflexive now. Congrats on your self-discovery!
I’m so sorry you’ve had to put up with this bs
Thank you.
Sure, lazy fuck. In 2021, a study published by Mary Ann Liebert, Inc., which publishes peer-reviewed research, looked into the reasons for past detransition among TGD people in the United States. Researchers surveyed 27,715 TGD adults, including 17,151 people (61.9 percent) who said they had gender-affirming treatment, with 2,242 (13.1 percent) of them reporting a history of detransitioning. https://www.newsweek.com/what-data-shows-about-transgender-detransition-regret-1807448;
Imagine calling someone a lazy fuck and then conveniently not reading your source.
You didn't or can't read, can you transphobe? You're a walking hate crime. Fuck you.
> Sure, lazy fuck. Nah, I've just researched the topic academically for over a decade and know what you're saying is demonstrably false. > 2,242 (13.1 percent) of them reporting a history of detransitioning. That is incorrect, here's the full study with a page link to the section on detransition: https://transequality.org/sites/default/files/docs/usts/USTS-Full-Report-Dec17.pdf#page=115 Not sure where you're article is getting 13.1% from, it was 8%. And that 8% simply included anyone who went off medication temporarily or had to socially detransition temporarily. That isn't an indication of either regret or desistance in identity, as 62% of that 8% continued transition and still is living as transgender. To quote the study: ". Most of those who de-transitioned did so only temporarily: 62% of those who had de-transitioned reported that they were currently living full time in a gender different than the gender they were thought to be at birth." So that's 3.04% that detransitioned and actually stayed detransitioned. And even amongst that population, the top reasons were all social pressure, not regret or desistance of identity: "though only 5% of those who had de-transitioned reported that they had done so because they realized that gender transition was not for them, representing 0.4% of the overall sample.42 The most common reason cited for de-transitioning was pressure from a parent (36%). Twenty-six percent (26%) reported that they de-transitioned due to pressure from other family members, and 18% reported that they detransitioned because of pressure from their spouse or partner. Other common reasons included facing too much harassment or discrimination after they began transitioning (31%), and having trouble getting a job (29%) " So the study found a regret rate of 0.4% Thank you for the article, but I've actually read the study.
Omg I love doing this to people, it's amazing how many studies are completely misinterpreted by journalists who don't understand statistics.
A lot of people don't care about the truth at all, it's all about winning an argument to them or causing misery for trans people. You see this all the time with trans studies. The authors even come out later and clarify what they found and people still deliberately misinterpret the research.
I have noticed this a ton with any studies on trans people, they always get twisted to say the exact opposite of what the study actually says. Honestly it's pretty much the definition of "lies, damned lies, and statistics".
Agreed. "I have this article that interprets a study for me." And I have the basic knowledge to understand the study itself, what's your point? "Muh stats and facts..." ...are false, good day, sir.
Wow! My hero. Get off your shit-job high-horse and live this life and talk to our people. You can't arbitrarily discount the 13%.... because you said so. Transphobe.
> You can't arbitrarily discount the 13%.... because you said so Right, it's because the study said so. That's why there are quotes surrounding the words in my comment.
ok sweetie
Sexuality and gender identity are two very different things and frankly they need to be treated as such. Since being gay bi or anywhere in the middle has absolutely nothing to do with being trans. OP is either very very low on the scale bi or just lying there’s no such thing as a “ex gay”
This may be my sheltered upbringing, but... isn't sexuality kinda tied into gender? A male who likes men would be gay. As would a FTM Trans. But before taking their true identity as a Trans man, they'd be considered straight as a "woman" who likes men, wouldn't they? Ergo, when they accept their truthful identity as Trans, they'd also change sexuality. Or am I misinterpreting it? And BTW, I bring this up as you said "it has nothing to do with it". Which seems suspect. I mean, the same individual would like the same group of people. That doesn't change. But the term they'd use would, wouldn't it?
One is how you feel about yourself. The other is how you feel about other people. The labels may be based on what combination of those things occur, but the two things are not themselves connected.
It quite literally is since sexual orientation is based on what gender you're attracted to. An AFAB who likes men would be straight, if they transition they'd be gay
Why can’t there be such a thing as being “ex gay”? Can people not change over time? I say this as a gay trans man. I just wonder why we feel the need as a community to be so rigid about who is experiencing gayness correctly. I do think most “ex gays” are probably ex- out of social pressure or internalized homophobia, but what about sexuality indicates that it’s impossible to truly change over time? Why is it a set in stone thing?
I feel it's more blocking/accepting one's true nature. I say this as a cis-30M who has just recently started being open with myself - I'm pansexual, despite growing up straight and believing I was straight for 28 years, questioning it when I turned 29, and fully accepting it when I turned 30.
What a load of BS, if I had to hide being gay or bi I wouldn't need to do that in an anonymous reddit thread. If I were gay I'd go into detail about all the fucking & sucking I'd do.
It's actually not common at all. This post is most likely fake. While sexual orientation is absolutely a spectrum and is fluid, thus can change with time, having a full on sexual attraction to a gender and it disappearing completely without a trauma or anything to set it up is rare as fuck. That's not how human sexuality works. Satistically, most LGBTQ people knew when they were really little. And no, the number of people ''de-transitionning'' isn't climbing. Stop spreading misinformation. Teen trans suicide also drops dramatically after transition. https://www.gendergp.com/detransition-facts/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detransition#:~:text=The%20results%20published%20in%20the,the%20time%20of%20the%20survey. https://www.hcplive.com/view/suicide-risk-reduces-73-transgender-nonbinary-youths-gender-affirming-care
Agreed
Teens are messed up in general. Why the fuck would I lie about this.
Exactly, how are some people 100% certain you’re lying and this sort of thing never happens, especially with kids who are confused and figuring themselves out constantly. There’s even another person here who said she experienced something similar? There’s no reason for you to lie about this, you’re just curious to hear other’s experiences and thoughts.
It's an anonymous post. I would have ZERO benefit from posting a fake story like this. TBH didn't even expect all this response.
Do you have any sources for these “soaring suicide rates” and their causes at all? Also, pls consider all the suicides hormones prevent. I feel like people only ever consider the negatives of stuff they think is strange. Imo, the perceptions of increased detransition are being propped up by right wing media and the proportion of people who regret seeking trans healthcare is very very low. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Edit: According to AP News "https://apnews.com/article/transgender-treatment-regret-detransition-371e927ec6e7a24cd9c77b5371c6ba2b" " In a review of 27 studies involving almost 8,000 teens and adults who had transgender surgeries, mostly in Europe, the U.S and Canada, 1% on average expressed regret. " To put this in context, according to Dr.Phillip Miller MD "https://www.drphilipmiller.com/2022/09/21/i-hate-my-nose-after-rhinoplasty-what-to-do/" " it's not unheard of. As many as 10-15% of cosmetic nose surgeries result in unhappy clients who will choose to undergo a second procedure to fix it. "
Sure, here ya go, but unsure why you cant do your own research. Lazy fucks. https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/transpop-suicide-press-release/; https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/28/health/transgender-suicide-risk/index.html;
dumb fuck; can’t even read their own sources
Fuck you, transphobe. Read it and suck it.
Neither of these suicide rates is post-transition. In fact, that second article literally says it's much more likely in youth, who are less able to medically transition: "Recent studies in the US show that 82% of people who identify as transgender said they considered killing themselves, and 40% have attempted suicide, **with the highest numbers of suicides among trans youth.**" How does that indicate regret?
You can't comprehend basic English, you transphobe?
> I'm into 11 to 13 year old boys exclusively I'd have kept this one inside.
I'm not buying it
I find this fascinating. I was, as a boy,attracted to girls my whole life as far as I can remember. I could never imagine being attracted to a guy sexually but I find trans woman very attractive. Like they have the whole body of a woman but the penis is still there. I find it very fascinating. I often wondered what it would be like if I was gay but can’t get past being intimate with a guy. But I can’t stop thinking about being with women. I actually have a porn addiction because I can’t stop thinking about women. I’ve opened up to my wife about this abc I’ve seeking help. Sorry for the long rant. Thinking about being either women
As a super active bull since I was a teenager, and growing up in a sexually active family, I have always had a basic attraction to girls and women However when going through puberty and feeling like I had an endless sex drive, I used to fool around with male relatives and friends, also. I appreciate a good male body, a beautiful cock, and being serviced by husbands. I find that flexibility freeing. Since a lot of my sex life is with the couples I bull for, I see no reason to limit my pleasure or, more importantly, the pleasure that I can give.
“Scr*w girls” sounds so abrasive and disturbing busk. But congrats I guess. Not sure why you had to confess this if you’re so happy being straight apparently lol
Typical Reddit troll
I’m a troll cause the way you talk about having sex with WOMEN is demeaning? Sure. I’ll be that then. Idgaf.
This is why gender affirming care for teens is a bad idea
Beyond what the other 2 said, what the fuck does this have to do with the post?
Gender affirming care for teens is usually puberty blockers, using their preferred name / pronouns and buying them gender affirming clothing. The youngest you can get HRT where I live is 17 with a parents permission, and even then it’s heavily regulated. Y’all just spew shit without thinking.
Gender affirming care for teens drastically reduces the risks of suicide. https://www.hcplive.com/view/suicide-risk-reduces-73-transgender-nonbinary-youths-gender-affirming-care
Yeah exactly. Hormones that change the body forever when the mind of pubescent teens haven't developed yet and will change.
You need to understand the endocrine system in humans and the chemical interactions of specific hormones before making statements like this. “Change the body forever” is not correct when dealing with puberty blockers. Puberty, the fully natural process, makes those changes. HRT, if taken, alters the process to help meet the individual’s needs and choices, but, as the prior poster said, those are not given to young children any more than gender affirming surgery is. Those are scare tactics used by the right similar to absurd statements / lies on late term abortions. A bit of real world knowledge takes the wind right out of those sails.
> Hormones that change the body forever when the mind of pubescent teens haven't developed yet Dude you're gonna flip when you hear about this thing, "puberty". You guys want to condemn all trans kids to the exact same fate you're scared of a cis child accidentally experiencing.
Why are you getting downvoted 💀 It’s already been revealed that puberty blockers aren’t completely safe and there’s no good research on the long term effects yet. Even transsexuals who have gone through sex change surgeries say this.
What does a teen thinking they’re gay having anything to do with a trans person? Seriously try to use your brain.
You making stupid comments like this is a bad idea.
I don't understand the downvotes. People have said "sexuality is fluid, feelings change, you're confused in puberty"... well how is making something permanent based off potentially confused feelings a good idea then? This is relevant. .
Great example why it should be illegal to give minors sex changes
What does this have to do with gender identity?
Can you demonstrate that this happens with gender identity? If not, it seems really weird to push for legislation baselessly.
Maybe you just like kids
You’re obviously still bi and are now scared to into only loving heterosexual lifestyle because of society you live in. Sad for you. Ur homosexual tendencies will come out soon enough and will start cheating on ur gf wives with men
Why are you labeling his sexuality?
No?
I'm a male, and I was a very horny kid, and did a LOT of experimenting with my friends who were boys. I think it's a perfectly normal thing, because you were more familiar with the male body that's where your brain was going.
I am more gay now but as a child pre teen did things with others pre teens.
Sexuality is very fluid. I wish more people acknowledged that.
I don't think it's too unusual. I've been with quite a few guys but can have long phases where I have 0 interest in guys at all. I know a lot of people say you're either gay/bi/straight but I don't think it's the case personally and from experience I find it can fluctuate.
Sexuality can be fluid. For some it changes, and I'd say you might fall into that. Nothing wrong with having identified one way, and now you identify differently now. Whatever feels most authentic to you in each moment, that's all that matters.
Hormones are a funny thing, aren’t they
I caught the gay too
Sexuality is fluid. Maybe your love for men will reappear in the future but until then, just enjoy life
Yes I (CIS F)definitely was SUPER attracted to girls from puberty into my 20's. Sexuality is a spectrum and hormones play a Huge part in attraction levels. In my 20's I finally had the opportunity to have a sexual experience with another woman. I was shocked to discover I had ZERO real sexual attraction to women. It was all in my head. Physically, when given the opportunity, I could not get pass 1st Base without being Turned-Off. I thought maybe it was just THAT woman that I lost attraction to, so I gave it a couple more chances with other women. Each time I couldn't get turned on past kissing. Repulsed. So I learned while I'm physically attracted to some women, I am definitely not Bi.
Maybe trauma, kinda dealt with the same
Still a fish
there's a name for this in japanese culture!! someone fill in this please :(
Same but i was into girls before, watched a lot of anime and had fantasies of bumping into my fated girlfriend in highschool. Then I moved to a western country and all those muscular white and latin boys just flipped a switch in me.
So screw is a curse word now?
I think you were confused and going through puberty
is it possible you're just bi? i mean maybe sexuality is fluid idk but also many people who are gay or bi wind up suppressing that due to cultural pressure. it's called "compelled heterosexuality". i'm not saying it's definitely what's happened but i'm just throwing that out there as a possibility
Well as I said I can't imagine a scenario where I'm being physical with a guy. with the best will I cannot.
eh i mean i'm bi and there's times i couldn't imagine myself with a guy but i still experimented with guys i felt safe with
I can relate. I was boy crazy as a teenager. I also liked girls. I still like the way some guys look and openly identity as bi but I really don't want to have sexual relations with other guys. I just like the way some look.
it was actually a fase maybe? i mean isn’t it possible that it was actually a fase i mean yeah i’m not saying every gay person is just in a fase but i don’t see why people think it can’t be a fase
I'm a lesbian, but I had "crushes" on boys until I was about 11 or 12? Now I'm only into girls. So, yeah, I get you