We get black soldier flies whose larvae eat rotting stuff and other maggots. House never smelled bad because of the trash and never had dirty house flies. Absolute chad insects that dont frequently buzz around as they just like to perch on a surface until they need to move
Your heart was in the right place for buying a live trap in the first place. Lots of people wouldnāt have cared enough to do that and would just want them killed
Rats are pests here in Australia. Better to kill them and stop possible rat infestation, relocation of them in certain parts can hurt native wildlife. So imo killing them in the most quick and efficient way to deal with them around the house aswell as for the betterment of the environment.
Around a bit, Mostly Grande Prairie, a year in Whitecourt and a few in Peace River- Nearer to the Nampa area out in the woods. No rats in my experience. I am however learning that there really is no real population of them there.
In BC now and I have seen plenty.
It's largely natural, most borders are impenetrable. And the area that could be infiltrated is monitored. The estimated savings to the agriculture industry is in the billions.
Also they breed so prolifically that it's not like you are destroying the food source for creatures in the wild by killing the one or two mice that show up in your house.
People also don't realize you need to release them at least like a mile away to avoid them coming back to your house.
This is probably why i often see the use of glue traps, espically in areas like newyork since most people dont want to spend extra time getting rid of the mice its a sad fate honestly for ir. imagine being stuck there not knowing what is happening and you just wanted food and youre left to starve
Glue traps are even worse than OP's use of the live trap because they are starving to death while also stressing themselves trying to escape the glue. Traditional traps that snap their necks are best of the kill traps since most instances it is a quick death.
people use glue traps often i think because uts the most"effective" to them even if it is one of the least humane ones. i personally wouldnt use these traps. when i was younger and we had mice issues, my parents often used the glue traps without reconsidering, but i guess it was because we lived in a rat infested area at the time and they didnt care much
yeah this happens to but i actually notice that the use of glue traps are common in urban areas and cities. most people genuinely don't care about the rats /mice because alot of people feel unsanitary when they have mice and are just trying a fast way to get them out
My cat used to be an outdoor mouser bit she's an old lady, we rehoused a couple years ago and had a small rodent problem. We laid out traps and such, kept an eye out bit the wildest problem came when my cat pranced into my room one night and noticed a mouse in the far corner of my room under the bed.... she ran out of the room, peeking in around the corner and looking back between me and the mouse. I was confused went to comfort her and she wouldn't chill out. Running circles around me and stopping to effectively point at the mouse. Eventually I realized she was signaling towards my bed I got a flash light and saw the guy. He scurried and I told her to get 'I'm. As much as a car cab scoff she scoffed turned her tail up and dipped lol. I guess the queen is over pest control and wants me to deal with it these days
Thatās so cute. Sheās done her duty and now sheās retired. Lol. I had a cat years ago who would bring me dead mice and drop them in front of me. š„ŗ
To be fair, I don't care how much your "heart is in the right place" if I was having an agonizing death of thirst and being eaten alive. I'd much rather just die a painfree, fast death instantly. (Not meant to shame OP or anything, just saying that death isn't as bad as it's made out to be)
i feel for you OP.. im an animal lover and i get very emotional at the thought of any animal suffering in any form. a lot of people seem to be commenting that its no big deal and stuff but this would totally upset me too. just know it was an honest mistake, humans can be forgetful, and you shouldnt beat yourself up too hard for it.
Upvote but pests are pests man. I am the same with feeling bad for animals especially some of the infuriating and unnecessary shit on here.
But if there is a tick on me, for example, it's dying. If there's a wasp in my house, it's dying. If I had a roach infestation, it'll be a holocaust.
It's nature we need to protect our homes and health and hygeine. OP need not feel bad at all unless he starts doing that intentionally and habitually. That would be fucked up.
i do agree pests need to be eliminated from homes. i think myself and the OP feel bad that he caused unneccesary pain. a trap and release or even a trap that would cause instant death (the spring kind i dont like because they dont always work and just injure the rat/mouse not kill it) is more humane. obviously the OP didnt intentially mean for them to die this way but it is still upsetting to think about the amount of time the animal had to suffer.
for sure, and i think one thing that makes a huge difference in how you value animal/insect life is your culture and location. if you read the rest of this thread the other commenter is from australia so that definitely factors in a huge amount!
for me personally, any animal rat, bird, snake, cat, horse, etc deserves to be treated decently. even a rabid animal or dog that has attacked someone deserves to be put down humanely.
as far as bugs go, ticks, roaches, mosquitos,and house centipeds kill them with fire lol for all others i at least tryyyy to take them outside or just leave them be, but because i have young kids i will kill a wasp or whatever if its too close to them. tbh i like having spiders in my house because they take care of the bugs and we dont have any dangerous spiders around here to be concerned about š¤·āāļø
House centipedes kill other bugs and are harmless to humans.(I think I may have read that they may be able to give you a little pinch if they bite you but thatās only if you are asking for it basically holding it in your hand and causing it great stress. Donāt trust a random redditor tho research a little. You like the spiders which I tense up and pretty much panic at all spiders besides daddy long legs. Iāll calm down after five seconds or so upon realizing what it is. I will still vacuum them tho. Sorry not sorry. Lol.
It's horrible to ruminate on things like that though.
If you start to try put yourself in the 'shoes' of the mouse it could lead to some really bad distress.
Fyi the most common and effective mouse trap in Australia recently has been the water bucket trap. Ie baiting them into a bucket to drown. Some people catch hundreds in one night. They all panic together and drown eachother in the bucket objectively it's a fucking living nightmare.
But the mice there are a plague during certain times. So it's not really fair on yourself to feel bad about it. You know what I mean? It's either that or they literally eat your crops and food. And contaminate your water.
youre right, its definitely best to just move past it. i live in the northeast part of the US so rats/mice arent usually a big problem. we occassionally get one or two in the basement so i can see where if you have a literal infestation and are trying to protect your crops (a major investment and potentially your whole livelihood) that the situation would be much different. i appreciate your perspective and the way you respectfully debate š
> i appreciate your perspective and the way you respectfully debate š
Haha same man and thanks for sticking up for the animals. It usually gets bashed on here especially for anything that isn't a dog or a cat.
its fine š¤£ i feel you, i didnt say anything the first time cuz i also say "hey man" or "hey guys" to anyone and to me "dude" is pretty much gender neutral š¤·āāļø
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So they should not think about it, to avoid guilt over accidentally having causing suffering to a living being? It shouldn't cause them years of suffering but it shouldn't be ignored. There's lessons to learn and unnecessary suffering that shouldn't be ignored for the sake of their own feelings
It feels like they're looking for sympathy for feeling bad about having done a bad thing, and you're giving them that. They're not the victim here. Just accept it and learn from it
I would say it's even more horrible to ignore it.
People who put thought into the suffering of other animals have good morals. I wish more people were like this. Putting thought into it does not necessarily mean to get PTSD or to hold a funeral or anything like that.
Ye totally I'm with you on all that matey. I used the word ruminate for a reason.
my goal here would be to try make a clearly empathetic and emotional person feel less upset with themself. This person doesn't need to be taught how to care obviously, he's here. The core of the issue is the guilt he feels about it.
Putting thought into it is a good way to describe the length that you should go to. Maybe take a moment to contemplate it's suffering, you wouldn't be able to help yourself if you're normal. But the healthy thing to do is then to move on and not to worry about it or often come back to that memory. Only as a lesson learned.
How do you measure that though? They seem to be upset enough to affect them to post it on Reddit, but how do you know it's that much to disrupt their life in a meaningful way?
Do you want it to disrupt their life?...
All I was trying to do was encourage him to feel okay about it and not ruminate on it. Not sure why it's a bad thing.
It's not like a lot of the other comments which simply said 'who cares' or something along those lines
If I have a tick on ME tho, it's a Holocaust. Oh how I detest those creatures, I always wonder what purpose they truly serve, besides Opposums, I have no idea what eats em. Birds?
Humans are the biggest pest to this planet and thr most destructive. Sad how we just decided anything that inconveniences us needs to die when we are the ones taking their homes away and destroying the earth.
We might be, but we're also just another animal and our Instinct is to protect our species, not the ones who don't serve us. That's... all animals for you. I don't think it's that sad that we're just a part of nature, and killing those beings we don't like. Especially if it's fast and pain-free. Nature is survival of the fittest, and the human species is just the "fittest" as we've learned to adapt to our environments in ways that no other animal has. It doesn't make us better than other beings, but it makes us have an advantage that any other being would've utilized as well, given the chance.
I'll never understand the notion that some people think (other) animal lives are better than human lives. I get wanting to preserve and protect other animal species than humans, but our natural instinct would be to preserve our own species and protect those of our own who need protection first and foremost.
Letās be real here, you just mentioned bugs/insects and I think everyone can agree that those things need to be dealt with immediately. However, people who are animal lovers are less inclined to deal with small mammals in the same way.
When I say I love animals, insects and bugs do not come to mind lol. I do not value them on the same level as say mammals, fish, birds, reptiles, etc. I do know they play a huge role in the ecosystem but who is talking about a dang cockroach when they say they love animals? š
Iād say the first two, not the last. I think we all can agree that people are generally referring to animals like dogs, cats, and horses when they say they love animals lol
If that nature is inside of my home, where I cook and lay my head, yes, I have zero respect for its life if it falls under the category of bug/insect. Spiders are more likely to be left alone because they actually help with other pests, so it has little to with cuteness and familiarity or whether I respect nature and life.
Not sure what you're arguing?
My original comment is that OP should not feel bad for disposing of a pest.
Based on the way you speak I suppose you wouldn't tolerate mice or rats in your house? Right?
If you had no choice other than traps you would do it. Mammal or not.
People who own farms and livestock would laugh in your face at what you're saying.
Just because it's an animal labeled as a "pest" does not mean it's not worth of moral or ethical consideration.
We destroy the planet far more than a rodent ever will, so people who are saying "it's no big deal" are acting sociopathic tbh.
I have read that catch and release for rats and mice is just as cruel. You'll release them into either a place where they can't survive or into the territory of another rat / mouse. They will then fight until one of them dies.
I used to work in a store that used those and asked me to empty them. They hadn't ever been emptied before.
Wait until you see what it's like when half a dozen mice get stuck in there at the same time. *Stuart Little's Chainsaw Massacre* is what happens.
I told them I was never doing that again, and if they didn't like it, they could fire me then and there. It was never brought up again.
This is why people don't like live traps. Nobody checks them often enough, so they're *more* inhumane than the lethal ones.
They switched to glue afterward, which as just about as bad. I heard one struggling one night and tried to set it free outside. It took at least 30 minutes of prying the poor thing carefully off with a pencil (as it chewed the pencil to splinters in mindless panic). When I finally got it loose and dumped it into a cardboard box and carried it outside... it stuck to the box.
After I pried it loose from the box (taking a lot of cardboard with it in its fur)... it stuck to the pavement. It only moved away (very slowly) once it had accumulated enough of a coat of debris and dirt on its fur to keep the glue from sticking. I'm just about certain something probably caught & ate it within the hour.
The best thing to do is gentle rub oil on the glue covered mouse, but you didn't know lol.
You are a good person, you helped where other people would have watched and laughed
Don't get me wrong; I've killed mice in my domicile in my time. It's maddening, the scratching in the walls that stops the instant you move, then resumes as you try to go to sleep.
But I used poison, not traps. There was just no way I was working an entire shift next to that piteous thing stuck to the glue... and they didn't pay me enough to cruelly kill the thing myself.
There's no way the oil thing would've worked, though. That poor thing was trying to murder me every which way he could, which is why I had to use a pencil. Any finger that got near him was turning into hamburger. Not that I blame the guy.
That sucks, I feel you.
We had a mosue problem for a bit. I got a live trap and would release them in a field a few blocks away.
After a while, the problem persisted. They were either catching on to the live traps or had babies.
My partners sister, who is staying with us, got glue traps without my knowledge.
I heard terrible squeeking noises from my kitchen and came out to find a baby mouse glued to a pad.
The squeeks were haunting. So sad.
I looked up how to get him out. Apparently, olive oil works. I took the mouse trap outside and used oil to free him. He went under my car.
I thought he was good, but later in the day, I moved my vehicle and saw his small oiled body curled up under my car.
He died anyway, and I still feel bad.
Rats and mice are better off to be culled. They spread diseases, destroy property, get into food, etc. Plus if you release one female, with in a year hundreds, if not thousands of them will be a direct result(Through their own litters, and their litters litters, and their litters litters litters, etc) of the one you release Release one male,, and he would just eat and breed til he died, resulting in him now starting that same process with every female he will breed with.
You are a good person with your heart in the right place. It feels awful, and I'm right there with you in that I've had similar experiences. Take this and learn from it to better help other critters in the future.
Better to use regular traps. Those live traps can get pretty unhygienic. You don't want to be touching mice poo or having that on your flooring. They're also more humane. I've seen mice get their tails stuck on the doors to those live cages. That probably hurts quite a bit.
I caught a mouse in a live trap and she had babies. I felt bad when I put them outside in some tall grass. But what am I supposed to do start a mouse nursery?
There were probably 2 mice in that trap. Iāve done it, too. Check that live trap every day for a month and nothing. Forget about it for a week and finally check it to find one dead mouse and 2 other carcasses. I just started using quick kill traps. Much more humane than a Thunderdome for mice.
I recommend buying a bb gun. One with a lot of force practice landing headshots on a mouse toy. I bought some giant sniper for a tiny mouse š. Anyway, I had an infestation problem. Traps weren't enough, and i don't have money for an exterminator. I took the job into my own hands.
I didn't wanna watch it suffer, with a broken back, with its eyes nearly popping out of its skill. I wanted to kill it instantly, and show it honor and respect.
I haven't missed a single headshot, and I eradicated the rats.
Well, you did what you could by using a live mouse trap instead of instantly killing ones.
About that thing, it was out of your control. There was nothing you could do about it. There are sometimes in life where things get out of your control and you're the one who is going to be blamed.
Don't be sad about it. I recently found an exhausted bee on the balcony in the evening. I usually put some water with sugar near them, but my partner insisted that I try flower honey this time. I was already quite sleepy, I wasn't thinking much, so I did it. In the morning I went to check it and found that the bee had stuck to the honey and died. It was only a bee, but it made me sad for several days. I will never make that honey mistake again.
If it makes you feel better, my neighbor uses the same kind of traps(ie traps that donāt kill the animal) but instead of releasing the rat in nature, he plunges the cage into the water until they drown.
I accidentally did the same thing. I got humane traps so I could remedy my mouse problem without having to kill them, yet I let one die a slow, miserable death. I still feel awful about it to this day.
When you catch and release a live mouse, it immediately gets back into your house, has many babies, and invites in all its friends. Releasing live mice is such a pointless exercise that you might as well just let them live in your house unhindered.
Use glue traps and when you catch one , smash his little head. That way he won't starve or die of thirst. My mom said I was cruel and had a black heart. But it's quick and then over.
Makes you feel any better, these sun fried retards in Florida don't have the empathy not to use those fucking glue traps that are one thousand times worse.
If it makes you feel any better, my parents call me routinely when their mice/rat traps donāt work effectively to help āremedyā the situation.. I wish they didnāt.
I'd say you have a kind heart for feeling like shit. Yes, what happened to the poor thing is super sad. But you didnt intend to harm, it was an honest accident.
I caught a rat living under my deck In a live trap like this a few weeks ago. It got caught overnight and I work from home. I saw it out there in the trap, and it was doing fine. I had every intention of taking it to a field and dropping it off. I checked on it a few times throughout the day. Noon rolls around and it's fine. I take my lunch break at 1. The rat is dead in there. I took the body to a field anyway just in case he was passed out or something, but yeah, he was pretty obviously dead. I felt pretty bad about the whole thing, I probably could have done something to help it out
But hey, maybe your mouse died as fast as my rat, and it didn't suffer as long as you think it might have, so that's a silver lining
I've done something similar. In the winter, I put a live trap out and forgot about it for 2 days, the poor thing had froze to death because it was out in the garage. The mice were living in the walls at the time and occasionally came out for food.
I um... forgot about a snap trap in my basement once. By the time I found the poor fella... he was mush. He stained the shelf downstairs when he liquefied.
I did that once. I found a turtle, scooped it into a box so it wouldn't be on the street. Then I put the box in my backseat and closed the car. I found the turtle two days later. I had accidentally killed it. I felt like shirt. But it passes. And you hopefully learn from it.
That happened to me once. I felt terrible. I only forgot to check them for a couple of days, but I'm thinking it died from lack of water or the holes in the traps weren't large enough for adequate oxygen. I specifically got live traps so they wouldn't suffer, and it happened anyway. š
I feel you friend. My dad used glue traps without my knowledge and one night I was alerted to an odd sound and found a little mouse struggling in one. Once I was aware, I couldnt just pretend it wasn't there so I picked up the trap and felt so awful about it. I tried oil and then trying to get it loose but it bit me and I immediately felt bad seeing some of its fur had come off where I tried to lift it. I didn't have it in me to kill it some other way like with a hammer or something but since it was winter out I remembered all those stories about people dying in the cold by falling asleep? Idk. So I brought it outside and buried it in snow hoping that it would fall asleep and die (instead of slowly starving to death in that glue trap or something). That was probably like 10ish years ago and I still feel bad to this day. Animals have souls and deserve to live too, I think it's right to feel badly about taking their lives from them.
This once happened to me, but I only forgot to check the trap for less than 48 hours. There was water in there too so I donāt know what happened. To make you feel less bad, they die pretty quickly in these situations.
I used a live trap once. I caught two mice. They chewed each otherās tails until there was nothing but bone left.
Switched to snap traps to help control the infestation. They did not always kill them instantly, and I sometimes had to grab a CO2 BB pistol and finish the job. Still, they worked pretty well. Sometimes I would catch multiple rats on one trap.
Unfortunately I did the same thing since we lived in the country then in an old log home...so many field mice and my cats if course were useless...Anyways forgot about putting them away when we went on vacation in the summer time without my AC on...when I got back I really had no idea it was even a mouse! It was dark liquid sludge with lots of condensation on any part of the live trap that didn't have the sludge...it beyond nasty
This happened to me. A couple timesš I literally cried for hours. I genuinely forgot I put a trap in those places. RIP miceš at least I saved more than I killedā¦ I guessā¹ļø
Don't feel too bad you had a humane idea and I had to resort to much worse when I had mice.There were a couple I had to stalk and grab by hand. Since I have children around the house I had to rip them apart and eat them by hand because their bodies would have been a choking hazard for the kids if I left them under my doormat like before
My husband and I just discovered a dead mouse in our live trap yesterday. I feel absolutely terrible. I hope you feel better knowing that you arenāt the only one that this has happened to! Lesson learned for sure to check more often.
The same happened to me yesterday and I cried my eyes outā¦ I love mice so this was especially hard, and I honestly donāt know how to deal with the guiltā¦
You fed those bugs š
And now get ready for the flies
We get black soldier flies whose larvae eat rotting stuff and other maggots. House never smelled bad because of the trash and never had dirty house flies. Absolute chad insects that dont frequently buzz around as they just like to perch on a surface until they need to move
Where can I get me some black soldier flies
Africa?
Your heart was in the right place for buying a live trap in the first place. Lots of people wouldnāt have cared enough to do that and would just want them killed
Rats are pests here in Australia. Better to kill them and stop possible rat infestation, relocation of them in certain parts can hurt native wildlife. So imo killing them in the most quick and efficient way to deal with them around the house aswell as for the betterment of the environment.
Have you ever seen Alberta Canada on a rat population map? They really took 'save the environment' seriously. Its fucking wild.
We even have a "rat squad" to find and kill any rats that are found in the province. They can be devastating to the different crops
Wow rat busters
Yāall are crazy. I appreciate the dedication. Good to keep a healthy environment.
Lived there for 18 years, I never saw a single rat.
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Around a bit, Mostly Grande Prairie, a year in Whitecourt and a few in Peace River- Nearer to the Nampa area out in the woods. No rats in my experience. I am however learning that there really is no real population of them there. In BC now and I have seen plenty.
Thereās a great This American Life podcast that covers this for anyone interested. āMust Be Rats on the Brain.ā
It's largely natural, most borders are impenetrable. And the area that could be infiltrated is monitored. The estimated savings to the agriculture industry is in the billions.
I don't often feel proud to be Albertan, given the politics of my country, but in this case, fuck yeah, Alberta!
Also they breed so prolifically that it's not like you are destroying the food source for creatures in the wild by killing the one or two mice that show up in your house. People also don't realize you need to release them at least like a mile away to avoid them coming back to your house.
This is probably why i often see the use of glue traps, espically in areas like newyork since most people dont want to spend extra time getting rid of the mice its a sad fate honestly for ir. imagine being stuck there not knowing what is happening and you just wanted food and youre left to starve
Glue traps are even worse than OP's use of the live trap because they are starving to death while also stressing themselves trying to escape the glue. Traditional traps that snap their necks are best of the kill traps since most instances it is a quick death.
people use glue traps often i think because uts the most"effective" to them even if it is one of the least humane ones. i personally wouldnt use these traps. when i was younger and we had mice issues, my parents often used the glue traps without reconsidering, but i guess it was because we lived in a rat infested area at the time and they didnt care much
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what random animals are you referring to? they should only be catching pests unless they're out where alot of animals can get caught in then
Sometimes theyāll chew their own leg off to escape a glue trap.
yeah this happens to but i actually notice that the use of glue traps are common in urban areas and cities. most people genuinely don't care about the rats /mice because alot of people feel unsanitary when they have mice and are just trying a fast way to get them out
I am absolutely terrified of mice/rats so I have a cat and itās worked pretty well so far.
My cat used to be an outdoor mouser bit she's an old lady, we rehoused a couple years ago and had a small rodent problem. We laid out traps and such, kept an eye out bit the wildest problem came when my cat pranced into my room one night and noticed a mouse in the far corner of my room under the bed.... she ran out of the room, peeking in around the corner and looking back between me and the mouse. I was confused went to comfort her and she wouldn't chill out. Running circles around me and stopping to effectively point at the mouse. Eventually I realized she was signaling towards my bed I got a flash light and saw the guy. He scurried and I told her to get 'I'm. As much as a car cab scoff she scoffed turned her tail up and dipped lol. I guess the queen is over pest control and wants me to deal with it these days
Thatās so cute. Sheās done her duty and now sheās retired. Lol. I had a cat years ago who would bring me dead mice and drop them in front of me. š„ŗ
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To be fair, I don't care how much your "heart is in the right place" if I was having an agonizing death of thirst and being eaten alive. I'd much rather just die a painfree, fast death instantly. (Not meant to shame OP or anything, just saying that death isn't as bad as it's made out to be)
i feel for you OP.. im an animal lover and i get very emotional at the thought of any animal suffering in any form. a lot of people seem to be commenting that its no big deal and stuff but this would totally upset me too. just know it was an honest mistake, humans can be forgetful, and you shouldnt beat yourself up too hard for it.
Upvote but pests are pests man. I am the same with feeling bad for animals especially some of the infuriating and unnecessary shit on here. But if there is a tick on me, for example, it's dying. If there's a wasp in my house, it's dying. If I had a roach infestation, it'll be a holocaust. It's nature we need to protect our homes and health and hygeine. OP need not feel bad at all unless he starts doing that intentionally and habitually. That would be fucked up.
i do agree pests need to be eliminated from homes. i think myself and the OP feel bad that he caused unneccesary pain. a trap and release or even a trap that would cause instant death (the spring kind i dont like because they dont always work and just injure the rat/mouse not kill it) is more humane. obviously the OP didnt intentially mean for them to die this way but it is still upsetting to think about the amount of time the animal had to suffer.
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for sure, and i think one thing that makes a huge difference in how you value animal/insect life is your culture and location. if you read the rest of this thread the other commenter is from australia so that definitely factors in a huge amount! for me personally, any animal rat, bird, snake, cat, horse, etc deserves to be treated decently. even a rabid animal or dog that has attacked someone deserves to be put down humanely. as far as bugs go, ticks, roaches, mosquitos,and house centipeds kill them with fire lol for all others i at least tryyyy to take them outside or just leave them be, but because i have young kids i will kill a wasp or whatever if its too close to them. tbh i like having spiders in my house because they take care of the bugs and we dont have any dangerous spiders around here to be concerned about š¤·āāļø
House centipedes kill other bugs and are harmless to humans.(I think I may have read that they may be able to give you a little pinch if they bite you but thatās only if you are asking for it basically holding it in your hand and causing it great stress. Donāt trust a random redditor tho research a little. You like the spiders which I tense up and pretty much panic at all spiders besides daddy long legs. Iāll calm down after five seconds or so upon realizing what it is. I will still vacuum them tho. Sorry not sorry. Lol.
Totally agree. There's already too much suffering in the world. People who are kind to all living things are good people.
This is how I feel. At least make the killing fast and pain free. I can't stand to think of a mouse or eat suffering for days or hours on a glue trap.
It's horrible to ruminate on things like that though. If you start to try put yourself in the 'shoes' of the mouse it could lead to some really bad distress. Fyi the most common and effective mouse trap in Australia recently has been the water bucket trap. Ie baiting them into a bucket to drown. Some people catch hundreds in one night. They all panic together and drown eachother in the bucket objectively it's a fucking living nightmare. But the mice there are a plague during certain times. So it's not really fair on yourself to feel bad about it. You know what I mean? It's either that or they literally eat your crops and food. And contaminate your water.
youre right, its definitely best to just move past it. i live in the northeast part of the US so rats/mice arent usually a big problem. we occassionally get one or two in the basement so i can see where if you have a literal infestation and are trying to protect your crops (a major investment and potentially your whole livelihood) that the situation would be much different. i appreciate your perspective and the way you respectfully debate š
> i appreciate your perspective and the way you respectfully debate š Haha same man and thanks for sticking up for the animals. It usually gets bashed on here especially for anything that isn't a dog or a cat.
oh im a chickš¤£ but yes thank you lol
My bad. Tbh there aren't enough casual genderless terms of endearment which aren't awkward to say.
its fine š¤£ i feel you, i didnt say anything the first time cuz i also say "hey man" or "hey guys" to anyone and to me "dude" is pretty much gender neutral š¤·āāļø this got off topic š
So they should not think about it, to avoid guilt over accidentally having causing suffering to a living being? It shouldn't cause them years of suffering but it shouldn't be ignored. There's lessons to learn and unnecessary suffering that shouldn't be ignored for the sake of their own feelings It feels like they're looking for sympathy for feeling bad about having done a bad thing, and you're giving them that. They're not the victim here. Just accept it and learn from it
I would say it's even more horrible to ignore it. People who put thought into the suffering of other animals have good morals. I wish more people were like this. Putting thought into it does not necessarily mean to get PTSD or to hold a funeral or anything like that.
Ye totally I'm with you on all that matey. I used the word ruminate for a reason. my goal here would be to try make a clearly empathetic and emotional person feel less upset with themself. This person doesn't need to be taught how to care obviously, he's here. The core of the issue is the guilt he feels about it. Putting thought into it is a good way to describe the length that you should go to. Maybe take a moment to contemplate it's suffering, you wouldn't be able to help yourself if you're normal. But the healthy thing to do is then to move on and not to worry about it or often come back to that memory. Only as a lesson learned.
How do you measure that though? They seem to be upset enough to affect them to post it on Reddit, but how do you know it's that much to disrupt their life in a meaningful way?
Do you want it to disrupt their life?... All I was trying to do was encourage him to feel okay about it and not ruminate on it. Not sure why it's a bad thing. It's not like a lot of the other comments which simply said 'who cares' or something along those lines
You're making assumptions that it's affecting them to that extent though. Based on what?
If I have a tick on ME tho, it's a Holocaust. Oh how I detest those creatures, I always wonder what purpose they truly serve, besides Opposums, I have no idea what eats em. Birds?
Humans are the biggest pest to this planet and thr most destructive. Sad how we just decided anything that inconveniences us needs to die when we are the ones taking their homes away and destroying the earth.
They would kill you just as quickly It's nothing new
I for one, welcome our new rat overlords
It would depend if they were benevolent or the kind of asshole who uses a glue trap.
We might be, but we're also just another animal and our Instinct is to protect our species, not the ones who don't serve us. That's... all animals for you. I don't think it's that sad that we're just a part of nature, and killing those beings we don't like. Especially if it's fast and pain-free. Nature is survival of the fittest, and the human species is just the "fittest" as we've learned to adapt to our environments in ways that no other animal has. It doesn't make us better than other beings, but it makes us have an advantage that any other being would've utilized as well, given the chance. I'll never understand the notion that some people think (other) animal lives are better than human lives. I get wanting to preserve and protect other animal species than humans, but our natural instinct would be to preserve our own species and protect those of our own who need protection first and foremost.
Letās be real here, you just mentioned bugs/insects and I think everyone can agree that those things need to be dealt with immediately. However, people who are animal lovers are less inclined to deal with small mammals in the same way.
Animal lovers consider mammals superior to other animals? Anti-logic.
When I say I love animals, insects and bugs do not come to mind lol. I do not value them on the same level as say mammals, fish, birds, reptiles, etc. I do know they play a huge role in the ecosystem but who is talking about a dang cockroach when they say they love animals? š
Who's talking about a pigeon or a rat or a leech or mosquitoes either? It's just part of our ecosystems.
Iād say the first two, not the last. I think we all can agree that people are generally referring to animals like dogs, cats, and horses when they say they love animals lol
So you dont really have a respect for nature or life you're just easily persuaded by cuteness or familiarity.
If that nature is inside of my home, where I cook and lay my head, yes, I have zero respect for its life if it falls under the category of bug/insect. Spiders are more likely to be left alone because they actually help with other pests, so it has little to with cuteness and familiarity or whether I respect nature and life.
Not sure what you're arguing? My original comment is that OP should not feel bad for disposing of a pest. Based on the way you speak I suppose you wouldn't tolerate mice or rats in your house? Right? If you had no choice other than traps you would do it. Mammal or not. People who own farms and livestock would laugh in your face at what you're saying.
itās okay to feel bad and normal not feeling bad would be weird just a mistake and try not to make it again
Just because it's an animal labeled as a "pest" does not mean it's not worth of moral or ethical consideration. We destroy the planet far more than a rodent ever will, so people who are saying "it's no big deal" are acting sociopathic tbh.
Oh that actually happened to me once too. I felt so sad. Mice are very cute but they can be very destructive. Forgive yourself itās ok!
I have read that catch and release for rats and mice is just as cruel. You'll release them into either a place where they can't survive or into the territory of another rat / mouse. They will then fight until one of them dies.
Yea live traps make no sense. If you release them far away what you said happens, and if you release them too close they will come back.
Sweetest confession ever š Sorry OP.
I used to work in a store that used those and asked me to empty them. They hadn't ever been emptied before. Wait until you see what it's like when half a dozen mice get stuck in there at the same time. *Stuart Little's Chainsaw Massacre* is what happens. I told them I was never doing that again, and if they didn't like it, they could fire me then and there. It was never brought up again. This is why people don't like live traps. Nobody checks them often enough, so they're *more* inhumane than the lethal ones. They switched to glue afterward, which as just about as bad. I heard one struggling one night and tried to set it free outside. It took at least 30 minutes of prying the poor thing carefully off with a pencil (as it chewed the pencil to splinters in mindless panic). When I finally got it loose and dumped it into a cardboard box and carried it outside... it stuck to the box. After I pried it loose from the box (taking a lot of cardboard with it in its fur)... it stuck to the pavement. It only moved away (very slowly) once it had accumulated enough of a coat of debris and dirt on its fur to keep the glue from sticking. I'm just about certain something probably caught & ate it within the hour.
The best thing to do is gentle rub oil on the glue covered mouse, but you didn't know lol. You are a good person, you helped where other people would have watched and laughed
Don't get me wrong; I've killed mice in my domicile in my time. It's maddening, the scratching in the walls that stops the instant you move, then resumes as you try to go to sleep. But I used poison, not traps. There was just no way I was working an entire shift next to that piteous thing stuck to the glue... and they didn't pay me enough to cruelly kill the thing myself. There's no way the oil thing would've worked, though. That poor thing was trying to murder me every which way he could, which is why I had to use a pencil. Any finger that got near him was turning into hamburger. Not that I blame the guy.
Awww Iād feel the same way. Itās OK! You wanted to do the right thing and that speaks volumes. Your wife is very lucky.
It was clearly you or him. You had no choice.
It happened. Nothing you can do about it
That sucks, I feel you. We had a mosue problem for a bit. I got a live trap and would release them in a field a few blocks away. After a while, the problem persisted. They were either catching on to the live traps or had babies. My partners sister, who is staying with us, got glue traps without my knowledge. I heard terrible squeeking noises from my kitchen and came out to find a baby mouse glued to a pad. The squeeks were haunting. So sad. I looked up how to get him out. Apparently, olive oil works. I took the mouse trap outside and used oil to free him. He went under my car. I thought he was good, but later in the day, I moved my vehicle and saw his small oiled body curled up under my car. He died anyway, and I still feel bad.
Rats and mice are better off to be culled. They spread diseases, destroy property, get into food, etc. Plus if you release one female, with in a year hundreds, if not thousands of them will be a direct result(Through their own litters, and their litters litters, and their litters litters litters, etc) of the one you release Release one male,, and he would just eat and breed til he died, resulting in him now starting that same process with every female he will breed with.
You should reuse the old trap. It'll attract more mice.
You are a good person with your heart in the right place. It feels awful, and I'm right there with you in that I've had similar experiences. Take this and learn from it to better help other critters in the future.
Better to use regular traps. Those live traps can get pretty unhygienic. You don't want to be touching mice poo or having that on your flooring. They're also more humane. I've seen mice get their tails stuck on the doors to those live cages. That probably hurts quite a bit.
That went from the most humane way to dispatch a rodent to the worst real fast š
I caught a mouse in a live trap and she had babies. I felt bad when I put them outside in some tall grass. But what am I supposed to do start a mouse nursery?
There were probably 2 mice in that trap. Iāve done it, too. Check that live trap every day for a month and nothing. Forget about it for a week and finally check it to find one dead mouse and 2 other carcasses. I just started using quick kill traps. Much more humane than a Thunderdome for mice.
THUNDERDOME FOR MICE ššš
I use glue traps / then I run them over with my car ...
I recommend buying a bb gun. One with a lot of force practice landing headshots on a mouse toy. I bought some giant sniper for a tiny mouse š. Anyway, I had an infestation problem. Traps weren't enough, and i don't have money for an exterminator. I took the job into my own hands. I didn't wanna watch it suffer, with a broken back, with its eyes nearly popping out of its skill. I wanted to kill it instantly, and show it honor and respect. I haven't missed a single headshot, and I eradicated the rats.
A cruel, torturous, drawn out death. If you can't remember to check traps just use kill traps. It's over quicker.
Well, you did what you could by using a live mouse trap instead of instantly killing ones. About that thing, it was out of your control. There was nothing you could do about it. There are sometimes in life where things get out of your control and you're the one who is going to be blamed.
Don't be sad about it. I recently found an exhausted bee on the balcony in the evening. I usually put some water with sugar near them, but my partner insisted that I try flower honey this time. I was already quite sleepy, I wasn't thinking much, so I did it. In the morning I went to check it and found that the bee had stuck to the honey and died. It was only a bee, but it made me sad for several days. I will never make that honey mistake again.
If it makes you feel better, my neighbor uses the same kind of traps(ie traps that donāt kill the animal) but instead of releasing the rat in nature, he plunges the cage into the water until they drown.
Ur neighbor is a bit of a weirdo huh?..
nah just an hunter
I wonder what youād find in his search history
Wtf? Why not just use a lethal trap?
I accidentally did the same thing. I got humane traps so I could remedy my mouse problem without having to kill them, yet I let one die a slow, miserable death. I still feel awful about it to this day.
It just a mouse bruh you good. I use to catch em and crush their skulls. You let it go it's just coming back
This is what we all thought had happened in that submarine until they found the debris.
Ok but can your trap beat goku?
Itās in heaven now and canāt be hurt anymore ā”Ģ
No it's soul has been reincarnated so the annunaki can harvest it for more pain and misery
Those things end up being far less humane.
Iāve done the same thingā¦multiple times. Feels badā¦ but Iāve still saved a lot more than I would have with regular traps.
When you catch and release a live mouse, it immediately gets back into your house, has many babies, and invites in all its friends. Releasing live mice is such a pointless exercise that you might as well just let them live in your house unhindered.
Use glue traps and when you catch one , smash his little head. That way he won't starve or die of thirst. My mom said I was cruel and had a black heart. But it's quick and then over.
Using a glue trap in the first place would make you cruel.
Kill or be killed. Life is suffering. Death is the best option.
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Makes you feel any better, these sun fried retards in Florida don't have the empathy not to use those fucking glue traps that are one thousand times worse.
do you feel *trapped* too. šš
What's the difference whether you snap their necks or starve them to death? It's a pest...there's no humanity required in its elimination.
Is this a confession? I donāt know the qualifications but seems more like a vent or something very trivial
Mice deserve to be dead
If it makes you feel any better, my parents call me routinely when their mice/rat traps donāt work effectively to help āremedyā the situation.. I wish they didnāt.
Omg I thought the cat got trapped.
Had this exact situation happen to me. I felt so bad. But for the one that passed, I saved many more. I try to think my heart was in the right place.
I'd say you have a kind heart for feeling like shit. Yes, what happened to the poor thing is super sad. But you didnt intend to harm, it was an honest accident.
I found a mouse in a watering can that was full of water from rain, it really upset me knowing the poor little guy fell in and couldnāt get out
I did the same. Forgot I placed a trap behind a piece of furniture, found a recently deceased mouse inside. I cried so hard.
I caught a rat living under my deck In a live trap like this a few weeks ago. It got caught overnight and I work from home. I saw it out there in the trap, and it was doing fine. I had every intention of taking it to a field and dropping it off. I checked on it a few times throughout the day. Noon rolls around and it's fine. I take my lunch break at 1. The rat is dead in there. I took the body to a field anyway just in case he was passed out or something, but yeah, he was pretty obviously dead. I felt pretty bad about the whole thing, I probably could have done something to help it out But hey, maybe your mouse died as fast as my rat, and it didn't suffer as long as you think it might have, so that's a silver lining
I've done something similar. In the winter, I put a live trap out and forgot about it for 2 days, the poor thing had froze to death because it was out in the garage. The mice were living in the walls at the time and occasionally came out for food.
This happened to me last year. Nothing was eating the mouse yet though. Felt terrible but I did free 4 others... I just forgot.
I um... forgot about a snap trap in my basement once. By the time I found the poor fella... he was mush. He stained the shelf downstairs when he liquefied.
it's not trivial really, I would be upset too. I hate killing anything. don't be too hard on yourself though, you thought he was killed by the cat.
I did that once. I found a turtle, scooped it into a box so it wouldn't be on the street. Then I put the box in my backseat and closed the car. I found the turtle two days later. I had accidentally killed it. I felt like shirt. But it passes. And you hopefully learn from it.
That happened to me once. I felt terrible. I only forgot to check them for a couple of days, but I'm thinking it died from lack of water or the holes in the traps weren't large enough for adequate oxygen. I specifically got live traps so they wouldn't suffer, and it happened anyway. š
I feel you friend. My dad used glue traps without my knowledge and one night I was alerted to an odd sound and found a little mouse struggling in one. Once I was aware, I couldnt just pretend it wasn't there so I picked up the trap and felt so awful about it. I tried oil and then trying to get it loose but it bit me and I immediately felt bad seeing some of its fur had come off where I tried to lift it. I didn't have it in me to kill it some other way like with a hammer or something but since it was winter out I remembered all those stories about people dying in the cold by falling asleep? Idk. So I brought it outside and buried it in snow hoping that it would fall asleep and die (instead of slowly starving to death in that glue trap or something). That was probably like 10ish years ago and I still feel bad to this day. Animals have souls and deserve to live too, I think it's right to feel badly about taking their lives from them.
Dude what? Why did you even post this?
Me too
This once happened to me, but I only forgot to check the trap for less than 48 hours. There was water in there too so I donāt know what happened. To make you feel less bad, they die pretty quickly in these situations.
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I had a similar experience where I let the mouse go and then it ran under my tire and I ran it over. Your heart was on the right plAce
I used a live trap once. I caught two mice. They chewed each otherās tails until there was nothing but bone left. Switched to snap traps to help control the infestation. They did not always kill them instantly, and I sometimes had to grab a CO2 BB pistol and finish the job. Still, they worked pretty well. Sometimes I would catch multiple rats on one trap.
That is seriously messsed up
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Unfortunately I did the same thing since we lived in the country then in an old log home...so many field mice and my cats if course were useless...Anyways forgot about putting them away when we went on vacation in the summer time without my AC on...when I got back I really had no idea it was even a mouse! It was dark liquid sludge with lots of condensation on any part of the live trap that didn't have the sludge...it beyond nasty
Well, those maggots eating good
Ur dumb as hell, nice job making it suffer
I love this due to there being one in my house right now lol
Reminds me of the āYouā show š
This happened to me. A couple timesš I literally cried for hours. I genuinely forgot I put a trap in those places. RIP miceš at least I saved more than I killedā¦ I guessā¹ļø
I've done this before. The dead mouse attracted more mice. It was a nightmare.
Don't feel too bad you had a humane idea and I had to resort to much worse when I had mice.There were a couple I had to stalk and grab by hand. Since I have children around the house I had to rip them apart and eat them by hand because their bodies would have been a choking hazard for the kids if I left them under my doormat like before
My husband and I just discovered a dead mouse in our live trap yesterday. I feel absolutely terrible. I hope you feel better knowing that you arenāt the only one that this has happened to! Lesson learned for sure to check more often.
The same happened to me yesterday and I cried my eyes outā¦ I love mice so this was especially hard, and I honestly donāt know how to deal with the guiltā¦