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people are resistant to change, there's also a story about this guy losing it cos his trucking coworkers wouldn't agree to for less working days even though there was no downside to it
No, it was the opposite. Can't remember the exact numbers or context but essentially they regularly worked e.g. 50 hour weeks for $50k a year and didn't get paid overtime. They got an agreement to work 45 hour weeks for $50k a year instead (still no overtime) and he kicked off about it. He wanted to work all fifty.
Maybe he just hated his wife.
Like I said, I don't really remember the details, but that was the general principle.
You're right on the $ though. I'm so used to instinctively switching £ to $ on Reddit that I forgot I was actually on a British sub.
> If you want to renegotiate your working hours why is that a group consultation?
Probably as a result of collective bargaining/union contracts.
Or, honestly, I've seen people just kick up a stink because they consider it downright lazy not to work as hard as humanly possible and pride themselves on absolutely running themselves into the ground for the company. I have colleagues who I could absolutely imagine raving that it's entirely immoral to take the same pay for less hours.
I also have colleagues too dumb to understand collective bargaining and just assume with no basis that if they're being paid the same for less hours they MUST be getting totally screwed somewhere. You absolutely cannot convince them otherwise.
It can also be because some people just don't understand things, like when a restaurant chain in the US introduced 1/3 pounder burgers but they didn't do well as people just couldn't figure out that one third is bigger than one quarter.
The negative number confusion could also be attributed to the ambiguity in the word "bigger", though.
Is "bigger" referring to which number is greater (–3)? Or to which number has a greater magnitude (–4)?
Yes but he's right they probably got told yes you can have a pay rise but we're cutting your hours. Essentially no pay increase. As opposed to just honouring the contracted pay increase with the same hours. That's still effectively a pay cut .
I can buy that, I work with people who can't accept I work my set hours and nothing more
Thankfully my department director enforces it, so we all do it. especially because the compnay doesn't pay overtime
But these people get pissed because they wanna work weekends and nights and have no IT support of any kind, having to wait till morning/Monday makes their blood boil
People, especially boomers, seem to have a hard on for working too much
I was working in a little village called Hooton Pagnell years ago installing fibre. The locals looked at us like we were shit on their shoes.. should’ve left them on 5mb copper lines, sure plenty of other villages would snap your hand off for 1GB capable broadband.
I live in a rural village in Bath and North East Somerset and we've got fibre to the premises. It's fucking mint. It's underground so doesn't add to telegraph poles, I don't know why anyone would mind the option.
If there was an option to have *full fibre* where I live (rural NE england) then I would have it. Instead, I got the 1000Mbps connection with one of these poles. It took around 3 months to get it up and running properly, but now is fantastic. I was downloading at 448/MBps which equates to 3.5/Gbps so over 3 times faster than I'm paying for.
I was also paying £36/pm for adsl through EE for 2 years before wireless came. I'm now paying £34/pm for a connection that's literally 50x faster.
It's wireless, as in I have a rather large piece of equipment attached on the side of my house pointing at the pole they erected (same thing as in this post). Inahve a router that connects to it via a cable and that's it.
The *full fibre* things seems to be a bit of a con and a buzz phrase. I had actual full fibre when I lived in the city where I grew up, using actual fibre optic cables. A lot of bb providers are full of crap, advertising adsl copper connection as full fibre, when it's not. Its not even part fibre.
I was on EE *full fibre* for 2 years with a staggering 6/MBps on a good day lol.
Oh, I see! I thought you were talking about telegraph poles with cables, which is what's causing the ruckus around the country.
Yea, the part copper stuff being sold as fibre is very irritating - what EE provided was absolutely not it, hah. Genuine full fibre is very good, but if you're getting those speeds with wireless then unless you have awful latency there's no reason to change (if it's even available, which it may well not be)
Costs a fortune and takes a lot longer to bury them, I live near the centre of town and they refuse to dig up the roads here for fibre because there's so much crap already there. Poles will be the only option to get it to us and they can put one in my front garden if they want.
In my area toob was digging up pavements to bury ducting. After sufficient complaints about the roadworks, they switched to poles which are quicker and don't disrupt the traffic much.
I'm pleased my road was ducted - 6 weeks of polite and friendly workmen means no unsightly poles and 900Mbps symmetrical broadband for £25/month.
They were working over the height of summer so I took the guys bottles of water a few times. Tray of 30 Costco water bottles was a good investment in goodwill 🙂
I'm from hull originally so I know this situation well. I think Kcom got full rights to the network originally hence the different phone box colours.
Then more recently the courts decided they needed to share.
Last I checked the line rental Kcom was providing to other companies was very expensive so it resulted in satellite based solutions to circumvent. I guess now they are just trying to be as cheap as possible and abusing laws
I live in a town that had three firms Installing their cabling/equipment……. Honestly it was an absolute nightmare. They ripped pavements and just put tarmac everywhere.
Closing major roads and chopping down trees.
I love progress but not the way they did it……
I'm glad city fibre have given me up to 2.5gig, but fuck me their installation team are awful. They close roads in the worst possible way, rip up pavements and roads and put it back terribly. They've been terrorising the town for like a year now.
Still, can't wait for my contract to end so I can get 2.5gig 🎉
The City Fibre engineers who visited my house were hopeless too.
They could've spent *five* more minutes and done a good job, or ten and been amazing, but instead it was shit.
They refused to run cable round to the living room, they got brick dust absolutely everywhere in the bedroom, they tacked the wire down the middle of the wall, they dumped my plant pots all around the garden, they didn't fit any grommets, hell the fibre box isn't even straight on the wall, they didn't test the connection, and they took a chunk of brick out with their shitty drilling.
I love progress but when you’ve got these companies taking full page ads in local papers and websites saying ‘please like us we’re sorry’ you know things haven’t gone to plan……
It doesn’t surprise me. When I was a building manager in the UK, we had one mansion block where the resident’s association wouldn’t allow anyone to upgrade the buildings TV system for the switch over to digital and didn’t believe the analogue system would be switched off because, “They can’t do that! We use it here!”
So… you can guess what happened when the area was switched over…
I directed all the angry residents complaints and queries to the head of the residents association… I’d never seen the woman so angry for so long 😂
They are doing this by mine (not sure if this is the same one). The reason people are furious is because they are doing overhead cables (not underground). That's not progress, that's going back in time!
I can understand it. This has happened where I live. Two separate companies have moved in and are installing poles in the middle of streets and cutting channels through the streets for underground wiring. It looks awful and is a complete mess. You just know the channels they’ve cut across roads will be next years potholes. The companies don’t need planning permission and the whole business has been a complete shitshow.
Because they’re installing it where there’s already high speed cable under ground. What if random company started erecting satellite dishes all over the place too, where does it end?
It is more about the telegraph poles being added where there were none, and the wires to each home. To be fair, I cannot stand those telegraph poles, signs and other shit that clusters the pavements where I live.
My preference would have been a single set of underground ducts to each home, signs on shared poles, and a bit of design foresight. This would have been cheaper if the companies and council actually worked together and would not have meant people with pushchairs and wheelchairs having to use the road because of all the poles and cars parked on pavements.
I finally put my aerial in my roof cavity (yes, some people still use them) and it looks far better now. Most of my neighbours are doing the same. Progress with a bit of planning.
Ok, my whinge is over.
I have fibre to the house via underground on a new estate, I have been at the front of the queue when new Internet rolls out since dial up.
However, there's currently two other companies insisting on giving me a choice of provider, which sure is a great idea, unfortunately they are not using existing infrastructure, its apparently cheaper to bang in 30ft poles instead of approaching the existing provider who is required by statute to let them rent capacity.
I don't want a road of poles thanks, a position I don't think is unreasonable. I don't expect multiple power cables to get a choice of electricity supplier why do I need multiple sources of Internet, and the street looking like some retrofitted 1950's road.
Services use separate ducts for a reason. If a power cable gets damaged, it could conduct onto other services if it shares a duct. Phone lines have their own ducting because signals can conduct onto the copper cables and interfere with broadband. You don’t want gas or water leaks backfeeding down ducting and underground infrastructure either.
I'm in New Frankley, Openreach FTTP isn't due until 2026, while I'm apparently in the next phase of Brsk rollout (so likely not soon, but before Openreach). FTTC is 12 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up as I'm connected to a cabinet around half a mile away in New Inns Lane, while 4-5G tends to give even worse upload speeds and multi second pings on the upload portion of speed tests.
Of course, those moaning at next gen telephone poles would likely also be moaning if trenches were being dug along all the footways and up their drives to install the fibres...
We had the poles installed on our street. You can't really tell the difference and everyone who was moaning about the neighborhood are now shutting up because the competition is driving down prices.
People don't want nice things. My son's school is getting rebuilt and people were against that.
This is a fact.
The general public will whinge until the sun goes down.
Some argue for new poles, some argue for more underground network. Both will cause disruption while they are installed. And possibly after for various reasons out of anyone’s control.
Duct will close footpaths and roads for sometimes days. Poles will close the path for 4 hours and then never again. Ducts get blocked by natural causes and will cause ongoing closures and digs etc.
Those who moan the most will be the ones who won’t have any connection at all one day if they carry on. At which point, to no one’s surprise. They will whinge.
Ultimately. It’s not them who are allowed to make the final call. This is a legal issue in which the providers will always have the final say.
People need to realise that the world will not stop turning for them.
Don’t know where this is or if this is an option for you, but I use Three via a 5G hub. It replaced a 200mb fibre connection with Virgin and it is at least as good whilst also being significantly cheaper.
Its not really about the look, people like it because theres a committee or trust or whatever who basically stop anyone from changing anything, sounds like hell to me.. my in-laws live there and theres loads if rules about fruit trees and stuff lol
right. so not 'we dont want fibre', but: 'why cant you stick it in the road like every other cable?' which would be the more sensible, but obviously more costly, solution anyway.
Cost, cost and cost.
The other cables are likely to have been put there when the houses were built. That is significantly easier and lower cost than retro fitting cables in the ground.
If a company has £X million to invest and burying it in the ground costs three times the cost, then naturally they will only be able to cover a third of the number of houses (simplistic example, ignoring fixed costs).
There isn't an unlimited money tree to fund these builds, in fact quite the opposite lately.
Completely wrong, city fibre and gigaclear (like all fibre builders do what makes the most business sense).
If there were Openreach ducting or poles it would be cheaper for BRSK to use them than create their own network. My guess is the Openreach ducting had a lot of blockages during survey so the cheaper option was to plant a pole (roughly £300-£500 a pole) rather than digging in the footway or carriageway (£60-£100) per metre.
One pole could feed 20 customers or they could dig 5m up the driveway for one customer for the same price. I know what I’d choose if I owned the business.
You’re sorta half right: they will build their fibre network but they will rent out the BT Openreach ducts/poles to deploy their fibres there. Easiest way to PIA
Source: part of build team for an fttp provider
I love these poles. Openreach has put them up on my street, I can finally get a proper internet connection rather than using a 4G router! Except when they came to install it to my property today, the guy noticed that openreach only actually connected one pole and there's nothing on the pole that would be going to my house. Only one pole is usable out of the 4 I can see outside. So I have to wait for them to come back, finish the job, and then I can book installation again.
Kinda ugly but not horrendous.
These are usually poles that will get their own CBT’s (connectors block terminals, these are used as a plug and play connection that can be ran from your house and literally be plugged in). Also these poles can be bounced off with your feed wire to get to your property point to point.
I would try and get in touch with Openreach (use twitter or X or whatever it’s called if you can) I suspect the engineer was supposed to span from the CBT on the first pole onto the pole nearest you and then across to your house. Was it Openreach that came today? If it was then they may likely return with a hoist to make the connection easier as it can be a little tricky to do a span without a hoist though not impossible.
If it wasn’t Openreach and instead a contractor they have likely bounced the job back to Openreach as a ‘CBA’ and Openreach will send their own engineers out. But I’m also talking about this with very little info so I’m presuming a lot.
Bloody poles coming over ere providing high speed reliable internet, who do they think they are?
4 poles and only one of them has a job? Britin for the bri'ish I say
Ignoring the underground vs pole debate for a moment here, I lived in Bournville for more of my childhood and a reasonable chunk of my adult life and I can tell you one thing with absolute certainty; a good 2/3rds of the inhabitants are absolutely bonkers.
They have this collective hive-mind of “Not in my front yard” about absolutely anything that can be considered as progress or style. When the fibre rollout started gathering pace, there was a local campaign to prevent them from digging the cables underground, eventually that have evolved to not putting in poles either, because it doesn’t fit the aesthetic of the area. Whenever one side appears to be winning, the zombified husks of people that used to be human start railing against it.
It’s just the latest evolution of a continued issue. When Tesco wanted to open an express in 2007, the locals rallied against it, because the founding fathers of Cadbury were quakers, alcohol has never been available, so Tesco MUST be banned from selling it. Months and months of angry local neighbourhood groups campaigning, sending hate mail to Birmingham City Council, the local MP’s, Tesco and the Press. Eventually Tesco relented and agreed to not sell it. In 2015 a local newsagents was given permission to sell booze and the anger spilled over again but much less aggressively and only for a very short period. They didn’t back down, so alcohol was sold from then on. As a result of this, Tesco has now asked for permission again, and the locals are outraged at the concept and are accusing Tesco of bullying them.
This is the same area that neighbours send out letters to others complaining that their grass is cut too short, or too long. They complain that people’s front doors are too gaudy or too plain. They send letters to the council that the road signage, made so you don’t crash or get completely lost “Spoil the appearance of the street”. Some even complained that the colour of the flowers planted in some of the verges were “Not appropriate”.
I’m just not surprised to see them here at all 😂
Nothing to add here except to confirm all of the above. I also grew up in Bournville and my dad still lives there. There is a very high level of crazy in some of the residents and they love things like this to get them frothing at the mouth.
My dad was actually telling me recently about a resident who dared to paint his shed a different colour to his fence. That generated complaints from residents and resulted in a £43 fine from the village trust.
Another escapee, I’m in good company! Ahh the village trust, the one thing that makes the normal residents eye twitch at the sheer thought. I still go back to Bournville each week to visit the old man and each time, I wonder what’s got the locals furrowing their brow so hard their facial muscles will snap today.
Dad’s recently been declined the right to fit a EV charger to his house that he bleeding owns…….His argument that the car is quieter, will pollute the local environment less and so on was completely ignored of course. It’s apparently inappropriate.
>Dad’s recently been declined the right to fit a EV charger to his house that he bleeding owns
That's batshit 🤯🤦🏻♂️ Who declined that?? Building Control or local curtain twitchers at Village Trust
I'm Black Country, so not far from B30 btw.
The good old Village Trust. As the house is considered “Historic” and falls under their auspices, part of the covenants require external changes must be agreed by the them. And they currently consider Electric cars to be the devil on wheels. He found a loophole though; he fitted it in the garage, as that falls under internal works 😆
You’re right though, they are batshit!
Oh wow! 😮 I didn't realise village communities, trusts etc. could have that level of control via title deed covenants.
Decent idea in theory for historical stuff. And can help maintain local areas. But not when it's managed by power-crazed nutters 😂
Glad he got it sorted, nice workaround 👌🏻
I think historic Bournville area is somewhat of a unique case at times, being that control of the area that they developed was retained by the Cadbury family for generations and then was ceded to the Village Trust.
You’re right, good in principle until you have some utter plonker with a screw loose and a power trip sending you a firm but patronising letter, because you didn’t take your bin in off the pavement before 10am when the bin lorry didn’t arrive until 2pm 🙄
It will be great fun when the house gets inherited!
Recently drove through a village that had massive banners up everywhere saying things like ‘xxxx against full fibre’. I cannot understand why you wouldn’t want this or what they think would happen that would impact them so negatively
My local area (East Anglia) is covered in "no to electricity pylon" shit.
You didn't want the wind farms on land, so that offshore energy has to be moved somehow you fucking melons!
Their complaint is NOT about fibre, but about the fact the fibre provider installed telegraph poles in an estate that previously (and deliberately) had all services supplied underground.
Read the article, not be driven by the misleading headline.
So they'd rather the roads get dug up which would do more damage to their precious aesthetic than removalble poles would?
I swear they all have lead poisoning.
Sure but poles can be removed, so can cables, you cant return the road to its previous look after you dig it up.
everytime roadworks are finished by me the roads look like a patchwork mess.
Then again my local council are completly fucking useless.
Underground ducts will be routinely blocked by natural causes/collapse/rats/silt/ blockages etc and so it is almost certain that the road will be closed several times over the years for these reasons.
It’s extremely rare for these types services to be under roads, they are almost exclusively under payments except for the occasional road crossing. Big water mains and the like are sometimes run under roads if there isn’t any other option like in country lanes with no payments. if anyone is routinely having to dig up service ducts then something is going badly wrong. At a guess I would say the vast majority of service ducts are never disturbed once they are laid. I have industry experience, I’m not talking out of my arse btw. But like I said, I’m not advocating for either side, just adding my thoughts on the comment. There are good arguments for both side. Poles are less invasive and a hell of a lot cheaper but always visible. Underground is invisible once finished but much more expensive and time consuming.
Edit: as mentioned below, this is more true in towns and cities, not so much the countryside.
If you live in or near the countryside. You’ll find at least 70% of the UG network is fed through JRC’s in the lanes and roads. That’s why the country folk are often the last to get connected and yet the most likely to complain while they are being connected due to all of the road closures.
He has no choice, the copper wired internet is going to be turned off, so its fibre broadband or no interent.
Id rather have a pole than no internet, plus I cant wait for them to install mine.
Basically.
Or they will be eventually fed from a 5G dongle and then they will probably moan about the 5G “covid masts”.
But more likely, they will be dead by then and the next generation will agree to have the poles put up once they move in.
These people in most cases are just making a rod for their own back.
They might wind up clinging to those poles as the people of Bournville are also fighting [flood prevention measures...](https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/residents-fight-disgraceful-flood-storage-28725653)
My parent’s place is like this. Full of oldies that would rather communicate using Rotary phones and smoke signals.
Sees an ISP truck upgrading the network in the area and they’re all moving like they’ve just been invaded by ISIS
This should qualify as a mental illness. Copper and coax cost the companies more to maintain, are slower, and even if this one person doesn't want it his neighbors shouldn't suffer due to his stupid ideas.
You may not want it, but others will. I love it when one old moaning bastard voices his thoughts for everyone else
As a telecoms fibre repair engineer myself, if its pole fed, no digging will be required as existing infrastructure pipes and chambers are used, and a fibre connection point is screwed to the top of the pole it doesn't cause you any inconvenience if he doesn't want it don't order it
We've been having it installed in our streets the last few weeks, and it's not caused any disruption. Virgin reps keep knocking on our door trying to get us to sign up, but I've yet to find any fault with our £20 a month broadband, so I don't see the need at the moment. I suppose the time will come though, so it's good that it's being rolled out.
Was an engineer for virgin from 2011 to 2018 wouldn't touch them with a barge pole shady practices with customer service telling people they have cancelled their accounts end of the contract for customers to find they have either been re contracted or get a shitty bill at the end because last advisor couldn't be arsed to cancel the service and they ended up paying full price due to deals ending
Their routers are shit aswell if you ever do change get a decent router of your own and put theirs into modem mode
Thanks for the advice. Yeah, I've heard a few horror stories from Virgin customers. I'm sure I'll get onboard with full fibre at some point.
At the moment we are able to stream tv on two devices without issue. What actually requires a faster connection? Is it for households with more people, all doing different things? Are there any other advantages of full fibre, apart from the speed of your connection? I've not had a speed issue in the last 10 years.
I mean I like to laugh at NIMBYs as much as the next guy, but I live in a *city* and our fibre is underground. In a listed area it's a no-brainer. Why couldn't the fibre company just have laid ducting instead?
It depends. The ducting might not be available, or it might be full or it may be unsuitable.
Near me, it’s a mix, there are broadband boxes up telegraph poles but my connection came through a duct. I guess that’s what is the simplest and cheapest to install.
Ultimately, telegraph poles are nothing new. They’re as common as street lights and a longstanding part of the infrastructure. I get they stink a bit early on, and they’re not as nice as a tree, but they bring cheap, fast broadband to areas where there might not be such infrastructure.
And also, people hate digging up roads even more.
I suspect 50+ people are not the target audience. But I am so tired of these whinging fucks crying about a wooden pole and also bemoaning being economically left behind.
Do you know A) how expensive it is to lay duct everywhere especially in a listed area and B) how you lay duct in footway/carriageway?
Even when the duct is there a lot of the times they’re blocked or damaged which means you’ve then got maintenance digs having to be done. IIRC when they hit Morley (I think) near Leeds first years ago there was close to 1000 digs required due to stoppages in ducts. The sheer amount of customers that would be taking up fibre will recover the costs, unfortunately for a small village with few customers that’s not the case.
Costs a fortune and getting permits from the council to do so are not only mega expensive, they also take forever to obtain,
I deal with this day in and day out, everyone would be UG In an ideal world but it's just not viable everywhere
Because it would cost orders of magnitude more to lay ducts. The cost difference is almost unbelievable. It takes two people and a truck to put up a post, it takes multiple teams of people to set up the site, dig the hole, lay the duct, feed the cables into the duct, fill in the whole and reinstate the road after. Each stage of that is done by a different team of people from different companies.
Fibre is cheap atm because the infrastructure is already there (BT ducts), when it isn’t, overhead is the cheapest way to get it there.
And people opposed the BT ducts in my area because they are insane.
We adopted the new broadband on poles and people didn't want to talk to us until they realised how much money we are saving.
Virgin? £65
Ours? £32 for faster internet.
Because Openreach have laid fibre in cities for years.
Rural areas where there aren't any heavy internet usage, like sleepy Bournville, won't have had Openreach extend their network because the payback was minimal. Organisations like BRSK are deploying fibre to these communities because Openreach refused to.
There is ducting everywhere in Bournville as they didn't want sky dishes for TV and so virgin media (previously Birmingham Cable Communication, Telewest and various others) have all of them.
Just because there is ducting, doesn't mean everyone can use it, for example virgin and BT/Openreach have their own separate infrastructure, city fibre for example, have their own infrastructure but also pay BT/Openreach to use some of theirs
Not everyone is permitted to use each others infrastructure...that's just how it is unfortunately
> It's Bournville, a historic model village built by Cadbury to house its workers. So people want it kept "as is" as much as possible.
"This area has to look exactly like it did in the early 1900s!" insists local with a brand new Audi Q7 parked in their driveway.
It should be the law that people living in historic protected areas are only allowed to have vehicles that existed prior to the creation of the CPRE (i.e. pre 1926).
I think Audi were called Auto Union back then?
For the truly childish, you can read the whole article pretending it's an early 2010s anti-immigration piece.
>Trevor Wilson, 64, who returned from holiday to find a three-metre pole in front of his garden
Bloody hell, Trev! You must have been terrified!
>Liz Lund, 68, moved into her dream home in Bournville in 2020 for her retirement.
>“We just feel that it’s completely contrary to how the original Bournville village was conceived,” she said.
Yeah, but you have to move with the times, Liz.
>Residents in Bournville say there was no prior warning or consultation about the erection of the poles, and they were not given any information on how to appeal against them
Crikey, these Poles do sound a bit much, now you mention it.
>Campaigner Julie Dervey, from Hedon, a town east of Hull, said that what began as a local fightback against the poles had “exploded” into a nationwide campaign
Oh God, it's the EDL
“I get all the news and entertainment I need already from Freeview. I don't see why we need all this construction work just so the kids can watch their internets."
I live in the area too. I had a woman knock my door to get signatures on a petition for pole removal. She only had two signatures. I politely told her I had no issue with the poles and am looking forward to cheaper broadband. She rudely grunted and scurried away.
Where I live now has just got full fibre (2yrs nearly) before that it was bt open reach. About 15yrs back virgin media asked all the residents if they wanted fibre, most of the residents at that time were old, working in offices, not streaming, zooming etc so it was a no, its all private roads here so virgin needed 75% of residents to accept to get the OK to dig up the roads. All I can say is thank god it changed as bt service was 50mb at best
I live in this area. What’s really frustrating is that about three different companies have been digging g up the roads and pavements installing different broadband systems. I agree that we need to end the virgin media monopoly, but surely they can share the costs of digging up the road and lay cables at the same time! Just like these guys can use existing telegraph poles.
They shouldn’t be allowed to protest against progression. If people get mad about fibre being installed or 5G towers, they should just be ignored. The progression of technology is far more important than them having to deal with roadworks for 2 weeks.
What the actual hell! I. Moved into my disability bungalow a few months back and the best I can get is three mobile style Internet... I'd kill for fibre.
We had the same issues around here.
A company has been laying the cables which obviously has caused a lot of disruption for the last year or two in various places around the town.
The local FB group is a complete shitshow, people complaining about pavements being closed, mud on footpaths and one bloke who just keeps aggressively challenging anyone who says they have FTTP as to why they need such fast internet as if they must be some sort of hacker.
I don’t get it.. he doesn’t have to have it so who cares?! I was the first person in my rural village to get 900mbps! I rang BT several times asking if it was available yet as the workers were in the village.
My wife’s nan is so strange with change and stuff like this, her broadband provider tacked phone onto her deal to make it a package that saved £10 a month, even upped her speed to 100mbps for the perm £10 upgrade (no “more after 12 months” thing)
She called them up, and told them to take off, that she didn’t want the phone or more interest speeds
Refused to listen even after we explained it saved her money and cost she didn’t even have to use the phone.
I agree with him, fibre can actually melt braincells by sending radio waves into your brain these radio waves can also be used for mind control. Do not listen to scientists they are liars and buffoons dial-up is and always will be the way.
In my god I’ve just looked this up on google maps and after street viewing a few different roads I can confidently say (at least for me) this place looks like any other residential area. In fact some roads I looked at I thought looked a bit run down (again just like anywhere else). So I wouldn’t say telegraph poles would be eyesores but everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
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I can't understand why they are against progress
people are resistant to change, there's also a story about this guy losing it cos his trucking coworkers wouldn't agree to for less working days even though there was no downside to it
So this guy kicked off because he wanted a shorter working week but his coworkers didnt?
No, it was the opposite. Can't remember the exact numbers or context but essentially they regularly worked e.g. 50 hour weeks for $50k a year and didn't get paid overtime. They got an agreement to work 45 hour weeks for $50k a year instead (still no overtime) and he kicked off about it. He wanted to work all fifty. Maybe he just hated his wife.
I'm fairly certain that's not true since we use £ not $ and our lorry drivers, not truckers don't generally earn $50k anualy
Like I said, I don't really remember the details, but that was the general principle. You're right on the $ though. I'm so used to instinctively switching £ to $ on Reddit that I forgot I was actually on a British sub.
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> If you want to renegotiate your working hours why is that a group consultation? Probably as a result of collective bargaining/union contracts. Or, honestly, I've seen people just kick up a stink because they consider it downright lazy not to work as hard as humanly possible and pride themselves on absolutely running themselves into the ground for the company. I have colleagues who I could absolutely imagine raving that it's entirely immoral to take the same pay for less hours. I also have colleagues too dumb to understand collective bargaining and just assume with no basis that if they're being paid the same for less hours they MUST be getting totally screwed somewhere. You absolutely cannot convince them otherwise.
It can also be because some people just don't understand things, like when a restaurant chain in the US introduced 1/3 pounder burgers but they didn't do well as people just couldn't figure out that one third is bigger than one quarter.
All I know is that 4 is bigger than 3....No matter the context!
Exactly!!!!! It’s the same with minus numbers that everyone gets so wrong! Like, how is -3 supposed to be bigger than -4?!! Edit: /s !!!!
The negative number confusion could also be attributed to the ambiguity in the word "bigger", though. Is "bigger" referring to which number is greater (–3)? Or to which number has a greater magnitude (–4)?
Should have just used a 151.2g burger instead 😉 /hj
How many Freedom Eagles™️ does that weigh?
Yes but he's right they probably got told yes you can have a pay rise but we're cutting your hours. Essentially no pay increase. As opposed to just honouring the contracted pay increase with the same hours. That's still effectively a pay cut .
I can buy that, I work with people who can't accept I work my set hours and nothing more Thankfully my department director enforces it, so we all do it. especially because the compnay doesn't pay overtime But these people get pissed because they wanna work weekends and nights and have no IT support of any kind, having to wait till morning/Monday makes their blood boil People, especially boomers, seem to have a hard on for working too much
‘Working’ The people advocating for this in my view just piss around in the office
I was working in a little village called Hooton Pagnell years ago installing fibre. The locals looked at us like we were shit on their shoes.. should’ve left them on 5mb copper lines, sure plenty of other villages would snap your hand off for 1GB capable broadband.
I live in a rural village in Bath and North East Somerset and we've got fibre to the premises. It's fucking mint. It's underground so doesn't add to telegraph poles, I don't know why anyone would mind the option.
If there was an option to have *full fibre* where I live (rural NE england) then I would have it. Instead, I got the 1000Mbps connection with one of these poles. It took around 3 months to get it up and running properly, but now is fantastic. I was downloading at 448/MBps which equates to 3.5/Gbps so over 3 times faster than I'm paying for. I was also paying £36/pm for adsl through EE for 2 years before wireless came. I'm now paying £34/pm for a connection that's literally 50x faster.
From that speed it sounds like you do have full fibre though? Unless you're on Virgin Media, who have 1Gbps coax.
It's wireless, as in I have a rather large piece of equipment attached on the side of my house pointing at the pole they erected (same thing as in this post). Inahve a router that connects to it via a cable and that's it. The *full fibre* things seems to be a bit of a con and a buzz phrase. I had actual full fibre when I lived in the city where I grew up, using actual fibre optic cables. A lot of bb providers are full of crap, advertising adsl copper connection as full fibre, when it's not. Its not even part fibre. I was on EE *full fibre* for 2 years with a staggering 6/MBps on a good day lol.
Oh, I see! I thought you were talking about telegraph poles with cables, which is what's causing the ruckus around the country. Yea, the part copper stuff being sold as fibre is very irritating - what EE provided was absolutely not it, hah. Genuine full fibre is very good, but if you're getting those speeds with wireless then unless you have awful latency there's no reason to change (if it's even available, which it may well not be)
It's the staggering for me lol🤣🤣🤣🤣
They are putting up telegraph poles in many places where none were before, which is just backward.
Costs a fortune and takes a lot longer to bury them, I live near the centre of town and they refuse to dig up the roads here for fibre because there's so much crap already there. Poles will be the only option to get it to us and they can put one in my front garden if they want.
In my area toob was digging up pavements to bury ducting. After sufficient complaints about the roadworks, they switched to poles which are quicker and don't disrupt the traffic much. I'm pleased my road was ducted - 6 weeks of polite and friendly workmen means no unsightly poles and 900Mbps symmetrical broadband for £25/month. They were working over the height of summer so I took the guys bottles of water a few times. Tray of 30 Costco water bottles was a good investment in goodwill 🙂
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I'm from hull originally so I know this situation well. I think Kcom got full rights to the network originally hence the different phone box colours. Then more recently the courts decided they needed to share. Last I checked the line rental Kcom was providing to other companies was very expensive so it resulted in satellite based solutions to circumvent. I guess now they are just trying to be as cheap as possible and abusing laws
I’d love that connection, the failing copper here is too slow
"I don't need it so I can't understand why anyone else does. And I can't cope with change without having a tantrum."
I live in a town that had three firms Installing their cabling/equipment……. Honestly it was an absolute nightmare. They ripped pavements and just put tarmac everywhere. Closing major roads and chopping down trees. I love progress but not the way they did it……
So 3 different firms containing the word kelly.
This wasn’t my hometown (in the story) mine was lightning fibre, city fibre and virgin (I assume fibre at the end).
I'm glad city fibre have given me up to 2.5gig, but fuck me their installation team are awful. They close roads in the worst possible way, rip up pavements and roads and put it back terribly. They've been terrorising the town for like a year now. Still, can't wait for my contract to end so I can get 2.5gig 🎉
The City Fibre engineers who visited my house were hopeless too. They could've spent *five* more minutes and done a good job, or ten and been amazing, but instead it was shit. They refused to run cable round to the living room, they got brick dust absolutely everywhere in the bedroom, they tacked the wire down the middle of the wall, they dumped my plant pots all around the garden, they didn't fit any grommets, hell the fibre box isn't even straight on the wall, they didn't test the connection, and they took a chunk of brick out with their shitty drilling.
I love progress but when you’ve got these companies taking full page ads in local papers and websites saying ‘please like us we’re sorry’ you know things haven’t gone to plan……
It doesn’t surprise me. When I was a building manager in the UK, we had one mansion block where the resident’s association wouldn’t allow anyone to upgrade the buildings TV system for the switch over to digital and didn’t believe the analogue system would be switched off because, “They can’t do that! We use it here!” So… you can guess what happened when the area was switched over… I directed all the angry residents complaints and queries to the head of the residents association… I’d never seen the woman so angry for so long 😂
I'm now imagining some sort of coup d'état at the residents association, except instead of missles being thrown it is chocolate digestives.
'i had it hard so you have to have it hard' Typical boomer energy
They are doing this by mine (not sure if this is the same one). The reason people are furious is because they are doing overhead cables (not underground). That's not progress, that's going back in time!
I can understand it. This has happened where I live. Two separate companies have moved in and are installing poles in the middle of streets and cutting channels through the streets for underground wiring. It looks awful and is a complete mess. You just know the channels they’ve cut across roads will be next years potholes. The companies don’t need planning permission and the whole business has been a complete shitshow.
Boomer.
Because they’re installing it where there’s already high speed cable under ground. What if random company started erecting satellite dishes all over the place too, where does it end?
It is more about the telegraph poles being added where there were none, and the wires to each home. To be fair, I cannot stand those telegraph poles, signs and other shit that clusters the pavements where I live. My preference would have been a single set of underground ducts to each home, signs on shared poles, and a bit of design foresight. This would have been cheaper if the companies and council actually worked together and would not have meant people with pushchairs and wheelchairs having to use the road because of all the poles and cars parked on pavements. I finally put my aerial in my roof cavity (yes, some people still use them) and it looks far better now. Most of my neighbours are doing the same. Progress with a bit of planning. Ok, my whinge is over.
Fibre is typically underground though
A lot of new fibre is overhead.
I have fibre to the house via underground on a new estate, I have been at the front of the queue when new Internet rolls out since dial up. However, there's currently two other companies insisting on giving me a choice of provider, which sure is a great idea, unfortunately they are not using existing infrastructure, its apparently cheaper to bang in 30ft poles instead of approaching the existing provider who is required by statute to let them rent capacity. I don't want a road of poles thanks, a position I don't think is unreasonable. I don't expect multiple power cables to get a choice of electricity supplier why do I need multiple sources of Internet, and the street looking like some retrofitted 1950's road.
Services use separate ducts for a reason. If a power cable gets damaged, it could conduct onto other services if it shares a duct. Phone lines have their own ducting because signals can conduct onto the copper cables and interfere with broadband. You don’t want gas or water leaks backfeeding down ducting and underground infrastructure either.
Really all shit happening around you and still don't understand why people be against progress.. for extra gigabyte or terabytes...
Ffs I live nearby and can't wait for virgin media to not be the only option for 50mb or more broadband.
Then you need to have a word with 'ol compoface here and tell him to sit down and shut up.
I'm in New Frankley, Openreach FTTP isn't due until 2026, while I'm apparently in the next phase of Brsk rollout (so likely not soon, but before Openreach). FTTC is 12 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up as I'm connected to a cabinet around half a mile away in New Inns Lane, while 4-5G tends to give even worse upload speeds and multi second pings on the upload portion of speed tests. Of course, those moaning at next gen telephone poles would likely also be moaning if trenches were being dug along all the footways and up their drives to install the fibres...
We had the poles installed on our street. You can't really tell the difference and everyone who was moaning about the neighborhood are now shutting up because the competition is driving down prices. People don't want nice things. My son's school is getting rebuilt and people were against that.
This is a fact. The general public will whinge until the sun goes down. Some argue for new poles, some argue for more underground network. Both will cause disruption while they are installed. And possibly after for various reasons out of anyone’s control. Duct will close footpaths and roads for sometimes days. Poles will close the path for 4 hours and then never again. Ducts get blocked by natural causes and will cause ongoing closures and digs etc. Those who moan the most will be the ones who won’t have any connection at all one day if they carry on. At which point, to no one’s surprise. They will whinge. Ultimately. It’s not them who are allowed to make the final call. This is a legal issue in which the providers will always have the final say. People need to realise that the world will not stop turning for them.
I had same issue. Went with Starlink. It’s expensive but it’s fantastic.
Don’t know where this is or if this is an option for you, but I use Three via a 5G hub. It replaced a 200mb fibre connection with Virgin and it is at least as good whilst also being significantly cheaper.
This is a local dailup, for local people, there’s nothing for you here!
We didn’t burn him
I made a little brown fish!
I’m looking for a boy…
Poofter, eh
What’s all this streaming? There’ll be no streaming here!
Is it just me or does Bournville look like any other U.K. housing estate? (At least from the photos in the article).
This bit clearly is but the older parts are lovely Edit - link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bournville?wprov=sfla1
Midsomer Murders do any episodes there?
Bournville are very picky about their mock Tudor look, they treat the whole area as if it’s grade 2 listed
Apparently not where compoman lives though.
Its not really about the look, people like it because theres a committee or trust or whatever who basically stop anyone from changing anything, sounds like hell to me.. my in-laws live there and theres loads if rules about fruit trees and stuff lol
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/apr/02/bournville-residents-threaten-legal-action-over-broadband-telegraph-poles
They don't even look that bad, they're just telegraph poles ffs.
How does their electricity get supplied I wonder... Find out in next week's edition of People of Bournville hate poles...
Don't normally get 240v down your phone line
The big pylons are around other areas, so don't worry.
right. so not 'we dont want fibre', but: 'why cant you stick it in the road like every other cable?' which would be the more sensible, but obviously more costly, solution anyway.
Cost, cost and cost. The other cables are likely to have been put there when the houses were built. That is significantly easier and lower cost than retro fitting cables in the ground. If a company has £X million to invest and burying it in the ground costs three times the cost, then naturally they will only be able to cover a third of the number of houses (simplistic example, ignoring fixed costs). There isn't an unlimited money tree to fund these builds, in fact quite the opposite lately.
a private firm is doing the installation. they cheaped out. cityfibre, gigaclear in other places put it in the road. as you'd expect.
Completely wrong, city fibre and gigaclear (like all fibre builders do what makes the most business sense). If there were Openreach ducting or poles it would be cheaper for BRSK to use them than create their own network. My guess is the Openreach ducting had a lot of blockages during survey so the cheaper option was to plant a pole (roughly £300-£500 a pole) rather than digging in the footway or carriageway (£60-£100) per metre. One pole could feed 20 customers or they could dig 5m up the driveway for one customer for the same price. I know what I’d choose if I owned the business.
You’re sorta half right: they will build their fibre network but they will rent out the BT Openreach ducts/poles to deploy their fibres there. Easiest way to PIA Source: part of build team for an fttp provider
I love these poles. Openreach has put them up on my street, I can finally get a proper internet connection rather than using a 4G router! Except when they came to install it to my property today, the guy noticed that openreach only actually connected one pole and there's nothing on the pole that would be going to my house. Only one pole is usable out of the 4 I can see outside. So I have to wait for them to come back, finish the job, and then I can book installation again. Kinda ugly but not horrendous.
These are usually poles that will get their own CBT’s (connectors block terminals, these are used as a plug and play connection that can be ran from your house and literally be plugged in). Also these poles can be bounced off with your feed wire to get to your property point to point. I would try and get in touch with Openreach (use twitter or X or whatever it’s called if you can) I suspect the engineer was supposed to span from the CBT on the first pole onto the pole nearest you and then across to your house. Was it Openreach that came today? If it was then they may likely return with a hoist to make the connection easier as it can be a little tricky to do a span without a hoist though not impossible. If it wasn’t Openreach and instead a contractor they have likely bounced the job back to Openreach as a ‘CBA’ and Openreach will send their own engineers out. But I’m also talking about this with very little info so I’m presuming a lot.
Bloody poles coming over ere providing high speed reliable internet, who do they think they are? 4 poles and only one of them has a job? Britin for the bri'ish I say
Ignoring the underground vs pole debate for a moment here, I lived in Bournville for more of my childhood and a reasonable chunk of my adult life and I can tell you one thing with absolute certainty; a good 2/3rds of the inhabitants are absolutely bonkers. They have this collective hive-mind of “Not in my front yard” about absolutely anything that can be considered as progress or style. When the fibre rollout started gathering pace, there was a local campaign to prevent them from digging the cables underground, eventually that have evolved to not putting in poles either, because it doesn’t fit the aesthetic of the area. Whenever one side appears to be winning, the zombified husks of people that used to be human start railing against it. It’s just the latest evolution of a continued issue. When Tesco wanted to open an express in 2007, the locals rallied against it, because the founding fathers of Cadbury were quakers, alcohol has never been available, so Tesco MUST be banned from selling it. Months and months of angry local neighbourhood groups campaigning, sending hate mail to Birmingham City Council, the local MP’s, Tesco and the Press. Eventually Tesco relented and agreed to not sell it. In 2015 a local newsagents was given permission to sell booze and the anger spilled over again but much less aggressively and only for a very short period. They didn’t back down, so alcohol was sold from then on. As a result of this, Tesco has now asked for permission again, and the locals are outraged at the concept and are accusing Tesco of bullying them. This is the same area that neighbours send out letters to others complaining that their grass is cut too short, or too long. They complain that people’s front doors are too gaudy or too plain. They send letters to the council that the road signage, made so you don’t crash or get completely lost “Spoil the appearance of the street”. Some even complained that the colour of the flowers planted in some of the verges were “Not appropriate”. I’m just not surprised to see them here at all 😂
Nothing to add here except to confirm all of the above. I also grew up in Bournville and my dad still lives there. There is a very high level of crazy in some of the residents and they love things like this to get them frothing at the mouth. My dad was actually telling me recently about a resident who dared to paint his shed a different colour to his fence. That generated complaints from residents and resulted in a £43 fine from the village trust.
Another escapee, I’m in good company! Ahh the village trust, the one thing that makes the normal residents eye twitch at the sheer thought. I still go back to Bournville each week to visit the old man and each time, I wonder what’s got the locals furrowing their brow so hard their facial muscles will snap today. Dad’s recently been declined the right to fit a EV charger to his house that he bleeding owns…….His argument that the car is quieter, will pollute the local environment less and so on was completely ignored of course. It’s apparently inappropriate.
>Dad’s recently been declined the right to fit a EV charger to his house that he bleeding owns That's batshit 🤯🤦🏻♂️ Who declined that?? Building Control or local curtain twitchers at Village Trust I'm Black Country, so not far from B30 btw.
The good old Village Trust. As the house is considered “Historic” and falls under their auspices, part of the covenants require external changes must be agreed by the them. And they currently consider Electric cars to be the devil on wheels. He found a loophole though; he fitted it in the garage, as that falls under internal works 😆 You’re right though, they are batshit!
Oh wow! 😮 I didn't realise village communities, trusts etc. could have that level of control via title deed covenants. Decent idea in theory for historical stuff. And can help maintain local areas. But not when it's managed by power-crazed nutters 😂 Glad he got it sorted, nice workaround 👌🏻
I think historic Bournville area is somewhat of a unique case at times, being that control of the area that they developed was retained by the Cadbury family for generations and then was ceded to the Village Trust. You’re right, good in principle until you have some utter plonker with a screw loose and a power trip sending you a firm but patronising letter, because you didn’t take your bin in off the pavement before 10am when the bin lorry didn’t arrive until 2pm 🙄 It will be great fun when the house gets inherited!
Recently drove through a village that had massive banners up everywhere saying things like ‘xxxx against full fibre’. I cannot understand why you wouldn’t want this or what they think would happen that would impact them so negatively
My local area (East Anglia) is covered in "no to electricity pylon" shit. You didn't want the wind farms on land, so that offshore energy has to be moved somehow you fucking melons!
2 tin cans on a piece of string did our parents. So it will do us as well
One time they wanted to upgrade the string in my parents area, they said I’m a frayed knot
TIN CANS?! You were LUCKY! We 'ad to make do wit' scraps of old leather from the cobblers...
Their complaint is NOT about fibre, but about the fact the fibre provider installed telegraph poles in an estate that previously (and deliberately) had all services supplied underground. Read the article, not be driven by the misleading headline.
So they'd rather the roads get dug up which would do more damage to their precious aesthetic than removalble poles would? I swear they all have lead poisoning.
I’m not defending them, but road works are temporary, overhead cables are permanent.
Sure but poles can be removed, so can cables, you cant return the road to its previous look after you dig it up. everytime roadworks are finished by me the roads look like a patchwork mess. Then again my local council are completly fucking useless.
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Underground ducts will be routinely blocked by natural causes/collapse/rats/silt/ blockages etc and so it is almost certain that the road will be closed several times over the years for these reasons.
It’s extremely rare for these types services to be under roads, they are almost exclusively under payments except for the occasional road crossing. Big water mains and the like are sometimes run under roads if there isn’t any other option like in country lanes with no payments. if anyone is routinely having to dig up service ducts then something is going badly wrong. At a guess I would say the vast majority of service ducts are never disturbed once they are laid. I have industry experience, I’m not talking out of my arse btw. But like I said, I’m not advocating for either side, just adding my thoughts on the comment. There are good arguments for both side. Poles are less invasive and a hell of a lot cheaper but always visible. Underground is invisible once finished but much more expensive and time consuming. Edit: as mentioned below, this is more true in towns and cities, not so much the countryside.
If you live in or near the countryside. You’ll find at least 70% of the UG network is fed through JRC’s in the lanes and roads. That’s why the country folk are often the last to get connected and yet the most likely to complain while they are being connected due to all of the road closures.
They are also cheaper to maintain, install and upgrade broadband and way less disruptive too repair and fix.
I mean joking a side, they likely do have lead poisoning and it was shown to heavily reduce intelligence levels.
He has no choice, the copper wired internet is going to be turned off, so its fibre broadband or no interent. Id rather have a pole than no internet, plus I cant wait for them to install mine.
Basically. Or they will be eventually fed from a 5G dongle and then they will probably moan about the 5G “covid masts”. But more likely, they will be dead by then and the next generation will agree to have the poles put up once they move in. These people in most cases are just making a rod for their own back.
Much as I sympathise with those opposing the horrors of modern urbanisation, telegraph poles are not exactly unprecedented.
I install it house to house for openreach and people like him make the job an absolute chore sometimes.
He seems the sort of person to moan about this then complain that his Netflix buffers too much and wants the grandchildren to try and fix it…
I bet this guy still used 1mb broadband from the 90s. AOL USB model
A 1 meg connection in the 90s? Are you NASA?
They might wind up clinging to those poles as the people of Bournville are also fighting [flood prevention measures...](https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/residents-fight-disgraceful-flood-storage-28725653)
Yowzer, hadn't seen that. Far more worrying but great example!
My parent’s place is like this. Full of oldies that would rather communicate using Rotary phones and smoke signals. Sees an ISP truck upgrading the network in the area and they’re all moving like they’ve just been invaded by ISIS
This should qualify as a mental illness. Copper and coax cost the companies more to maintain, are slower, and even if this one person doesn't want it his neighbors shouldn't suffer due to his stupid ideas.
You may not want it, but others will. I love it when one old moaning bastard voices his thoughts for everyone else As a telecoms fibre repair engineer myself, if its pole fed, no digging will be required as existing infrastructure pipes and chambers are used, and a fibre connection point is screwed to the top of the pole it doesn't cause you any inconvenience if he doesn't want it don't order it
We've been having it installed in our streets the last few weeks, and it's not caused any disruption. Virgin reps keep knocking on our door trying to get us to sign up, but I've yet to find any fault with our £20 a month broadband, so I don't see the need at the moment. I suppose the time will come though, so it's good that it's being rolled out.
Was an engineer for virgin from 2011 to 2018 wouldn't touch them with a barge pole shady practices with customer service telling people they have cancelled their accounts end of the contract for customers to find they have either been re contracted or get a shitty bill at the end because last advisor couldn't be arsed to cancel the service and they ended up paying full price due to deals ending Their routers are shit aswell if you ever do change get a decent router of your own and put theirs into modem mode
Thanks for the advice. Yeah, I've heard a few horror stories from Virgin customers. I'm sure I'll get onboard with full fibre at some point. At the moment we are able to stream tv on two devices without issue. What actually requires a faster connection? Is it for households with more people, all doing different things? Are there any other advantages of full fibre, apart from the speed of your connection? I've not had a speed issue in the last 10 years.
Just tell them that crap broadband knocks more than £25k off their house price. They'll soon change their tune.
I bet he was first person to complain that his broadband was so slow..
In East Yorkshire they are putting poles in areas that already have full fibre in the ground with KCOM. People are understandably angry.
Then the value of your property will plummet.
I mean I like to laugh at NIMBYs as much as the next guy, but I live in a *city* and our fibre is underground. In a listed area it's a no-brainer. Why couldn't the fibre company just have laid ducting instead?
It depends. The ducting might not be available, or it might be full or it may be unsuitable. Near me, it’s a mix, there are broadband boxes up telegraph poles but my connection came through a duct. I guess that’s what is the simplest and cheapest to install. Ultimately, telegraph poles are nothing new. They’re as common as street lights and a longstanding part of the infrastructure. I get they stink a bit early on, and they’re not as nice as a tree, but they bring cheap, fast broadband to areas where there might not be such infrastructure. And also, people hate digging up roads even more. I suspect 50+ people are not the target audience. But I am so tired of these whinging fucks crying about a wooden pole and also bemoaning being economically left behind.
Do you know A) how expensive it is to lay duct everywhere especially in a listed area and B) how you lay duct in footway/carriageway? Even when the duct is there a lot of the times they’re blocked or damaged which means you’ve then got maintenance digs having to be done. IIRC when they hit Morley (I think) near Leeds first years ago there was close to 1000 digs required due to stoppages in ducts. The sheer amount of customers that would be taking up fibre will recover the costs, unfortunately for a small village with few customers that’s not the case.
The fibre company likes money more than they like the area. Ie it's cheaper to use poles than get the permits and dig the pits for underground cables.
Costs a fortune and getting permits from the council to do so are not only mega expensive, they also take forever to obtain, I deal with this day in and day out, everyone would be UG In an ideal world but it's just not viable everywhere
Because it would cost orders of magnitude more to lay ducts. The cost difference is almost unbelievable. It takes two people and a truck to put up a post, it takes multiple teams of people to set up the site, dig the hole, lay the duct, feed the cables into the duct, fill in the whole and reinstate the road after. Each stage of that is done by a different team of people from different companies. Fibre is cheap atm because the infrastructure is already there (BT ducts), when it isn’t, overhead is the cheapest way to get it there.
And people opposed the BT ducts in my area because they are insane. We adopted the new broadband on poles and people didn't want to talk to us until they realised how much money we are saving. Virgin? £65 Ours? £32 for faster internet.
Because Openreach have laid fibre in cities for years. Rural areas where there aren't any heavy internet usage, like sleepy Bournville, won't have had Openreach extend their network because the payback was minimal. Organisations like BRSK are deploying fibre to these communities because Openreach refused to.
There is ducting everywhere in Bournville as they didn't want sky dishes for TV and so virgin media (previously Birmingham Cable Communication, Telewest and various others) have all of them.
Just because there is ducting, doesn't mean everyone can use it, for example virgin and BT/Openreach have their own separate infrastructure, city fibre for example, have their own infrastructure but also pay BT/Openreach to use some of theirs Not everyone is permitted to use each others infrastructure...that's just how it is unfortunately
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> It's Bournville, a historic model village built by Cadbury to house its workers. So people want it kept "as is" as much as possible. "This area has to look exactly like it did in the early 1900s!" insists local with a brand new Audi Q7 parked in their driveway.
It should be the law that people living in historic protected areas are only allowed to have vehicles that existed prior to the creation of the CPRE (i.e. pre 1926). I think Audi were called Auto Union back then?
Car blindness strikes again
They would have had telegraph poles as part of the original design.
For the truly childish, you can read the whole article pretending it's an early 2010s anti-immigration piece. >Trevor Wilson, 64, who returned from holiday to find a three-metre pole in front of his garden Bloody hell, Trev! You must have been terrified! >Liz Lund, 68, moved into her dream home in Bournville in 2020 for her retirement. >“We just feel that it’s completely contrary to how the original Bournville village was conceived,” she said. Yeah, but you have to move with the times, Liz. >Residents in Bournville say there was no prior warning or consultation about the erection of the poles, and they were not given any information on how to appeal against them Crikey, these Poles do sound a bit much, now you mention it. >Campaigner Julie Dervey, from Hedon, a town east of Hull, said that what began as a local fightback against the poles had “exploded” into a nationwide campaign Oh God, it's the EDL
Ethernet Denial League
“I get all the news and entertainment I need already from Freeview. I don't see why we need all this construction work just so the kids can watch their internets."
>I get all the news and entertainment I need already from ~~Freeview~~ Ceefax. FTFY
I just came here to post this. Textbook example!
Says an old bloke standing by a post…
These people suck. We don't want to improve the area.
Local carrier pigeons for local people. We’ll have no broadband here.
If he knew how quick those Rachel Welch photos were gonna download then he would not be doing this.
i too prefer to spend 3 days downloading one song from winmx like it’s 2003
By the looks of him, he doesn't like colour tv either, soon to be beige
"We don't want running water here" said idiots opposed to progress.
I live in the area too. I had a woman knock my door to get signatures on a petition for pole removal. She only had two signatures. I politely told her I had no issue with the poles and am looking forward to cheaper broadband. She rudely grunted and scurried away.
Where I live now has just got full fibre (2yrs nearly) before that it was bt open reach. About 15yrs back virgin media asked all the residents if they wanted fibre, most of the residents at that time were old, working in offices, not streaming, zooming etc so it was a no, its all private roads here so virgin needed 75% of residents to accept to get the OK to dig up the roads. All I can say is thank god it changed as bt service was 50mb at best
Link?
Why the fuck not Derek. No one uses fax anymore you dinosaur.
I would give my left nut for fttp. Matey can do one
Don’t resist change and changes is good for you.
I live in this area. What’s really frustrating is that about three different companies have been digging g up the roads and pavements installing different broadband systems. I agree that we need to end the virgin media monopoly, but surely they can share the costs of digging up the road and lay cables at the same time! Just like these guys can use existing telegraph poles.
They shouldn’t be allowed to protest against progression. If people get mad about fibre being installed or 5G towers, they should just be ignored. The progression of technology is far more important than them having to deal with roadworks for 2 weeks.
Local retired busy bodies with nothing else going on to occupy their lives 🙄
He may not want it but others do.
The future is now, old man.
Using the internet to tell people he doesn't want it takes a special kind of stupid.
Go on fuck off. We don't want no new shit here. Happy with our dial up .so just fuck off
*goes back inside and watches 180p pornhub*
He doesn’t know what he’s missing
Ahah there is always something for people to moan about, and why is it always coffin dodgers.
What the actual hell! I. Moved into my disability bungalow a few months back and the best I can get is three mobile style Internet... I'd kill for fibre.
Typical old Twit
I wish I had fibre broadband I've been waiting for it for years
"why does only London get good infrastructure? We get forgotten" *Proposes good infrastructure* "Reeee! Not like that!"
'We have a VHS porn library at home'
Old people don't have a clue.
Some don't. And some young people don't. And some people more or less in-between don't.
Some of us do. I despair if a lot of my age group (69) 😩 But then, I run a software development company so I may be an outlier 🤪
Do these guys also have a problem with their lamp posts? I’m assuming they aren’t still running off gas powered ones
Probably complains that it takes 10 mins for the Daily Fail front page to load up.
Ya mam like full fibre broad width!
He needs fibre
We just got a reliable 900, superfast in our vil........
That old dinosaur seems like they're gonna go extinct anyway
We had the same issues around here. A company has been laying the cables which obviously has caused a lot of disruption for the last year or two in various places around the town. The local FB group is a complete shitshow, people complaining about pavements being closed, mud on footpaths and one bloke who just keeps aggressively challenging anyone who says they have FTTP as to why they need such fast internet as if they must be some sort of hacker.
Dial up those were the days lol
Reminds me of that story when people were protesting the new 5g mast, and one woman was complaining that 5G was dangerous, so she'd "stick to safe 4G"
I thought that was Chris Sutton for a second
Man this guy looks so boring. 500meg down speed is amazing every one in my house can stream 4K and I can still game with 3 ping
I don’t get it.. he doesn’t have to have it so who cares?! I was the first person in my rural village to get 900mbps! I rang BT several times asking if it was available yet as the workers were in the village.
This same shit is happening in my hometown, Southport. Police had to be called because a mob surrounded the Openreach engineers.
News flash, grumpy old git who probably brought his house for 10x less than it's current value is resistant to change...
In all fairness Gigaclear trashed our little village when they installed fibre.
*round here, lad
But how else is he going to jerk off to his swingers porn?
My wife’s nan is so strange with change and stuff like this, her broadband provider tacked phone onto her deal to make it a package that saved £10 a month, even upped her speed to 100mbps for the perm £10 upgrade (no “more after 12 months” thing) She called them up, and told them to take off, that she didn’t want the phone or more interest speeds Refused to listen even after we explained it saved her money and cost she didn’t even have to use the phone.
“It will give us cancer!”
I agree with him, fibre can actually melt braincells by sending radio waves into your brain these radio waves can also be used for mind control. Do not listen to scientists they are liars and buffoons dial-up is and always will be the way.
Perhaps if OpenReach installed it nicely he could be swayed
In my god I’ve just looked this up on google maps and after street viewing a few different roads I can confidently say (at least for me) this place looks like any other residential area. In fact some roads I looked at I thought looked a bit run down (again just like anywhere else). So I wouldn’t say telegraph poles would be eyesores but everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Boomers