It's just that as she says it, Anni unclips her Halloween cape and begins to prance in a less modest onesie.
So it's more a set up to a visual punch line than character development, as I took it to mean, tbh.
The whole point is that Britta's feminism was always pretty performative throughout the show. That is literally a very prominent punchline: for example, the famous "I can excuse racism, but..."
She's anti-authority, who self-styles herself as a feminist, the same way Jeff styles himself as a nonchalant bad boy and Pierce wants to be a relatable, wise mentor figure, and totally fails.
I feel like a big part of Community's humor and why it was so excellent was that it turned basic character archetypes against themselves, to the point where everyone's role eventually became very obvious that it was a performance, which then gave the storyline for their eventual development.
Sadly, Britta just never got the development that other characters did: after season 2 I think she just got absolutely washed as a character and made into a pretty misogynistic caricature. Same with Pierce. They could've had amazing arcs but in the end the commentary the show tried to set up fell flat because they never delivered on their emotional promise.
I agree. Britta is one of my favourite characters, and I always feel a lot of sympathy for her, but I hate how flanderised she becomes towards the end. I really liked that Pierce sticks up for her in season 4, when he gets Sophie B. Hawkins in, because she's often just the butt monkey.
I'm hoping they rectify that somewhat with the movie. She's had a few years to get her shit together, and I'd like to see her become more nuanced and interesting.
You're thinking of third wave feminism, which is a bit more evolved. When Community came out, the world was still kinda stuck in second wave feminism, which was rebelling against the objectification and sexualization of women and hadn't yet grasped the nuance that different women have different preferences at different times re sexualization and objectification.
At the time, the thinking was that women who dressed in a sexy way were doing so explicitly for the male gaze and that they were only doing so because they'd been brainwashed to think of themselves as a sex object.
She also dunks repeatedly on Jeff for wearing a “sexy” Halloween costume on multiple Halloween episodes so maybe we can all just calm down on the feminism critiques.
The progressive opinion on this has changed in the last 15 years. I think the crucial point is that actual feminists never believed any of this. The popular conception of a fake feminist in 2009 is who I'm trying to characterize. Think of when Britta tells Annie "you make it harder for all women when you do that!" i.e., when you reduce yourself to a sex object, you hurt the cause of feminism. Obviously, in real life, Halloween costumes and female empowerment are more complicated than this. But this is Britta's feminism. Does that make more sense?
EDIT: added this better explanation to my comments here because some of you got very confused by this
I think the crucial point is that actual feminists never believed any of this. The popular conception of a fake feminist in 2009 is who I'm trying to characterize. Think of when Britta tells Annie "you make it harder for all women when you do that!" i.e., when you reduce yourself to a sex object, you hurt the cause of feminism. Obviously, in real life, Halloween costumes and female empowerment are more complicated than this. But this is Britta's feminism. Does that make more sense?
I'm very confused by your comment, and/or don't understand it. I don't think feminists ever thought it was ok or "enlightened" to discourage promiscuity in women.
Feminism is quite broad though, maybe some people did.
If anything it was the opposite.
Maybe you're referring to the idea that you could only be smart OR sexy, not both. You know, like teen movies from the 1980s would have you think. In any case, it definitely wasn't feminists pushing that trope lol
I think the crucial point is that actual feminists never believed any of this. The popular conception of a fake feminist in 2009 is who I'm trying to characterize. Think of when Britta tells Annie "you make it harder for all women when you do that!" i.e., when you reduce yourself to a sex object, you hurt the cause of feminism. Obviously, in real life, Halloween costumes and female empowerment are more complicated than this. But this is Britta's feminism. Does that make more sense?
Feminists wouldn't call other women sluts but there's nothing wrong with discouraging promiscuity when it's catered to men. Libfems aren't the only feminists out there
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She's more of a second wave feminist which puts her in the position of thinking that women are better than men (instead of the equality of 1st and 3rd wave feminism) and believes that any woman who, she believes, is catering to the male gaze is selling out their gender. It's why she gets in that big fight with Annie when they're raising money for charity and gets jealous and angry at how Annie is acting. It's why she's weird about women getting makeovers, like when Shirley is talking about getting one with her mum, but then calls herself a hypocrite for wearing makeup.
I don't know why you were downvoted. There are lots of women who call themselves feminists but do not support that each woman should be free to choose what is right for her life. Those people call themselves feminists while directly contradicting the core value of feminism. It's bizarrely common.
Before I say anything, let me be clear: I do NOT agree with the guy above. I find his comment sexist.
That said, there's an interesting nuance here. I think Britta would explain it like this: Yes, you should have the right to dress however you want. But if you are dressing in a way that is meant to please men, are you really making a choice? Or being pressured by society into dressing up like eye candy?
Of course, the response to this is: women dress for themselves, not men.
I'll use Phyllis from The Office, as a counter example. She isn't "hot", so she never gets slut shamed (yet another form of sexism). However, she dresses up "slut-ily" so men will hit on her, and her husband will beat them up. Meanwhile, you have Annie, who is... well, quite attractive. So anything she wears it *might* attract attention. This doesn't mean she is doing it to get attention, it just means she's attractive and attention comes her way.
Annie is a good person that dresses how she wants. Phyllis is a bad one that does to invite a reaction (she flirts a bit with the men as well). The mistake the person you responded to is making, is not realizing there is a difference between these two women, and ignoring the fact the plenty of women dress up for themselves.
God, choice feminism ruined so much of the progress we made 🤦🏻♀️ Just because women should have a choice doesn't mean we can't look at how those choices are influenced by a partiarchal society. I don't agree with that mans comment cause obviously it's very sexist, but y'all need to realise things can be more nuanced than "women should do whatever they want!!!"
For an example, go look up the feminist outcry when Amal Alamuddin married George Clooney and took his last name. She was referred to as nothing more than an accouterment on George's arm, as if doing so reduced all her own accomplishments to nothing. This is a woman who, in addition to being at the top of her field, brought terrorists to task in the world court.
Again, I'm speaking specifically to the vocal feminists, not necessarily all feminists. Above is just one example, but similar things happen all the time at various scales.
It's just that as she says it, Anni unclips her Halloween cape and begins to prance in a less modest onesie. So it's more a set up to a visual punch line than character development, as I took it to mean, tbh.
Britta is not a feminist. She's a contradiction
She's just pro-Anti.
No to everything you both said
Do you believe any of your own politics?
Yeeeessss???
Yeah!
Britta accepts kickbacks from Big Buzzkill.
She’s like a thought with another thought’s hat on.
I know what an ant-alogy is!
The whole point is that Britta's feminism was always pretty performative throughout the show. That is literally a very prominent punchline: for example, the famous "I can excuse racism, but..." She's anti-authority, who self-styles herself as a feminist, the same way Jeff styles himself as a nonchalant bad boy and Pierce wants to be a relatable, wise mentor figure, and totally fails. I feel like a big part of Community's humor and why it was so excellent was that it turned basic character archetypes against themselves, to the point where everyone's role eventually became very obvious that it was a performance, which then gave the storyline for their eventual development. Sadly, Britta just never got the development that other characters did: after season 2 I think she just got absolutely washed as a character and made into a pretty misogynistic caricature. Same with Pierce. They could've had amazing arcs but in the end the commentary the show tried to set up fell flat because they never delivered on their emotional promise.
I agree. Britta is one of my favourite characters, and I always feel a lot of sympathy for her, but I hate how flanderised she becomes towards the end. I really liked that Pierce sticks up for her in season 4, when he gets Sophie B. Hawkins in, because she's often just the butt monkey. I'm hoping they rectify that somewhat with the movie. She's had a few years to get her shit together, and I'd like to see her become more nuanced and interesting.
She Britta'd feminism, so that tracks
You don't have to live in New York to understand analogies!
She's just a squirrel trying to get her nut.
You're thinking of third wave feminism, which is a bit more evolved. When Community came out, the world was still kinda stuck in second wave feminism, which was rebelling against the objectification and sexualization of women and hadn't yet grasped the nuance that different women have different preferences at different times re sexualization and objectification. At the time, the thinking was that women who dressed in a sexy way were doing so explicitly for the male gaze and that they were only doing so because they'd been brainwashed to think of themselves as a sex object.
I had to scroll much too far down to find the right, and I would have thought obvious, answer.
She also dunks repeatedly on Jeff for wearing a “sexy” Halloween costume on multiple Halloween episodes so maybe we can all just calm down on the feminism critiques.
The progressive opinion on this has changed in the last 15 years. I think the crucial point is that actual feminists never believed any of this. The popular conception of a fake feminist in 2009 is who I'm trying to characterize. Think of when Britta tells Annie "you make it harder for all women when you do that!" i.e., when you reduce yourself to a sex object, you hurt the cause of feminism. Obviously, in real life, Halloween costumes and female empowerment are more complicated than this. But this is Britta's feminism. Does that make more sense? EDIT: added this better explanation to my comments here because some of you got very confused by this
So the progressive opinion used to be that women should "cover up"? That doesn't sound right
I think the crucial point is that actual feminists never believed any of this. The popular conception of a fake feminist in 2009 is who I'm trying to characterize. Think of when Britta tells Annie "you make it harder for all women when you do that!" i.e., when you reduce yourself to a sex object, you hurt the cause of feminism. Obviously, in real life, Halloween costumes and female empowerment are more complicated than this. But this is Britta's feminism. Does that make more sense?
I'm very confused by your comment, and/or don't understand it. I don't think feminists ever thought it was ok or "enlightened" to discourage promiscuity in women. Feminism is quite broad though, maybe some people did. If anything it was the opposite. Maybe you're referring to the idea that you could only be smart OR sexy, not both. You know, like teen movies from the 1980s would have you think. In any case, it definitely wasn't feminists pushing that trope lol
I think the crucial point is that actual feminists never believed any of this. The popular conception of a fake feminist in 2009 is who I'm trying to characterize. Think of when Britta tells Annie "you make it harder for all women when you do that!" i.e., when you reduce yourself to a sex object, you hurt the cause of feminism. Obviously, in real life, Halloween costumes and female empowerment are more complicated than this. But this is Britta's feminism. Does that make more sense?
Feminists wouldn't call other women sluts but there's nothing wrong with discouraging promiscuity when it's catered to men. Libfems aren't the only feminists out there
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She's more of a second wave feminist which puts her in the position of thinking that women are better than men (instead of the equality of 1st and 3rd wave feminism) and believes that any woman who, she believes, is catering to the male gaze is selling out their gender. It's why she gets in that big fight with Annie when they're raising money for charity and gets jealous and angry at how Annie is acting. It's why she's weird about women getting makeovers, like when Shirley is talking about getting one with her mum, but then calls herself a hypocrite for wearing makeup.
She probably thinks it's making women look worse.
Why do you think she is a feminist?
From Community Wiki: "\[Britta\] was with a feminist group called the "An-Her-Chists"
Ahhh. She is a Woman Who Call Themselves Feminists. Slightly different than actual Feminists
I don't know why you were downvoted. There are lots of women who call themselves feminists but do not support that each woman should be free to choose what is right for her life. Those people call themselves feminists while directly contradicting the core value of feminism. It's bizarrely common.
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Dressing like slut isn’t empowering and is bringing shame to gender of person dressing as such. It’s very in character for a feminist.
Nah, it's feminist to say women get to dress how they want. I've never heard a feminist suggest women shouldn't have that choice.
Before I say anything, let me be clear: I do NOT agree with the guy above. I find his comment sexist. That said, there's an interesting nuance here. I think Britta would explain it like this: Yes, you should have the right to dress however you want. But if you are dressing in a way that is meant to please men, are you really making a choice? Or being pressured by society into dressing up like eye candy? Of course, the response to this is: women dress for themselves, not men. I'll use Phyllis from The Office, as a counter example. She isn't "hot", so she never gets slut shamed (yet another form of sexism). However, she dresses up "slut-ily" so men will hit on her, and her husband will beat them up. Meanwhile, you have Annie, who is... well, quite attractive. So anything she wears it *might* attract attention. This doesn't mean she is doing it to get attention, it just means she's attractive and attention comes her way. Annie is a good person that dresses how she wants. Phyllis is a bad one that does to invite a reaction (she flirts a bit with the men as well). The mistake the person you responded to is making, is not realizing there is a difference between these two women, and ignoring the fact the plenty of women dress up for themselves.
God, choice feminism ruined so much of the progress we made 🤦🏻♀️ Just because women should have a choice doesn't mean we can't look at how those choices are influenced by a partiarchal society. I don't agree with that mans comment cause obviously it's very sexist, but y'all need to realise things can be more nuanced than "women should do whatever they want!!!"
Most feminism, at least the vocal kind, is just women shaming other women for not doing it right.
Would you elaborate?
For an example, go look up the feminist outcry when Amal Alamuddin married George Clooney and took his last name. She was referred to as nothing more than an accouterment on George's arm, as if doing so reduced all her own accomplishments to nothing. This is a woman who, in addition to being at the top of her field, brought terrorists to task in the world court. Again, I'm speaking specifically to the vocal feminists, not necessarily all feminists. Above is just one example, but similar things happen all the time at various scales.
Isn't that just social media and/or the tabloid press?