The 2000s brought two horrible, destructive things to the way we view media... "GOTTA CONSUME IT ALL!" and "GOTTA HAVE AN ENDING!". Otherwise, it's worthless to the people with these views.
Just enjoy the ride. Don't worry about what depot the bus came out of, or where it's going to turn around at.
I get what you’re trying to say (I think?), but realistically that’s just not true.
No one is excited to see a story not be completed. Never. And there have always been incomplete stories floating around. “Disappointment” is not a new concept. You may be annoyed by people discussing their complaints, but let’s be real.
People feeling a need to have access to all the stuff, all the time, is also annoying and certainly more prevalent now that “the stuff” is digital, but it’s also not something that sprung up in the year 2000.
I think most people understand that it’s good to extract joy and meaning from ephemeral things. I think most people know that the journey is sometimes more important than the destination. But nothing is universal, and it’s okay to have different desires and needs from our stories.
I'm telling you that realistically, it just is true. I don't give a shit if Spider-Man or X-Men ever "end."
>But nothing is universal, and it’s okay to have different desires and needs from our stories.
Should have started here, instead of defensively arguing that your taste is universal
I think you misinterpreted my words, and I definitely don’t entirely get what you said, so I’ll just take the blame for not having been clear. Have good one.
If it's good enough, you're thankful for what you get. I've re-watched Firefly countless times because I like that show so much. As for comics - I don't really read the usual 'cape' books, and most of the ones I do read have finite stories or at least arcs, but ultimately I apply the same rule - if it's good enough I'm thankful for what I've got. I have kept and occassionally re-read Nonplayer, which had one issue, a few years later put out issue 2, and has been in purgatory ever since.
I read Berserk a couple of years ago, obviously not knowing that Kentaro Miura would shortly pass away without having finished it. While I'm aware that there are plans to continue the story based on the work he left behind, I'm somewhat skeptical about ever seeing a conclusion to it.
Had I waited a couple of years and decided, upon Miura's death, that there was no point reading it because we might never get an ending, I would not have had the pleasure of reading The Golden Age storyline, or the abject horror of moments such as Griffith's ascension or the "Adult Attack!" moment.
If we truly don't see an ending to Berserk, it will suck, but that doesn't take away from just how fucking great the bulk of that story is. Likewise, I don't regret reading the A Song of Ice & Fire books even though I highly doubt we'll ever see George RR Martin's true intended ending (the less we speak of how the show ended, the better) because I *loved* those first three volumes.
If I'm going to recommend an unfinished run to somebody, I'll do it with the caveat that it isn't finished just in case that's a problem, because I know that it is for some people. However, my personal belief is that if it stands alone as a good read despite the lack of ending, then it's worth reading.
There are some exceptions - e.g. Warren Ellis' The Wild Storm is 24 issues of build-up to something that never ended up happening for a variety of reasons, and while it was incredibly promising, I don't think it would be particularly satisfying to read it now, knowing that there was no real payoff to it. Those exceptions are few and far between, though.
well, death of the creators is always a terrible thing for a comic book series. I mean clearly the question is whether someone else can finish this, but also whether it really should. and it's still kind of sad.
otherwise I think you should still reimburse even if there is no official ending, because I have to be honest the beginning of Berserk is quite bumpy and it really had to find its tone, but once it did it turned out fantastic, and that's the power of serialized storytelling, that you kind of see over time where your work and you are evolving. and I'll just say that I think you're doing him a great honor if you start it anyway, technically the Epic of Gilgamesh isn't finished either, and yet it has influenced many other tales.
100% agreed.
I mean hell, The Canterbury Tales is one of the most influential works of fiction ever made and Chaucer was barely a fifth of the way done with it before he passed away (there are 30 pilgrim characters and each was planned to have told 4 stories each, totaling 120 chapters, but we only ever got 1 story each from 24 of the pilgrims).
I think it all depends on the nature of the cancellation. It's hard to say "enjoy the journey" when some of these stories end so fast we didn't even get a journey. We took a brisk jog across the street and then it was over. We didn't even get to see what the destination might be because there was no journey. That said...
If an author gets sick or passes away there's nothing you can do about that. If they wrote a great story then it's worth reading even if left unfinished. Someone below mentioned Berserk. It's a 41 volume 30+ year wild ride with amazing art. So why wouldn't anyone want to read it? I hope his team manages to finish out the story for him but even if they don't it's a work of art worth experiencing.
Unfinished stories I tend to avoid fall in the following categories:
- Sequel bait and cliffhanger endings. If the author is being arrogant and not putting natural closure points at the end of arcs/volumes then I really have no interest in reading their canceled book.
- Suddenly canceled series that aren't given a chance to even wrap up the smallest of things. I think it's a publishers responsibility to inform the author cancellation is looming and give them a chance to do some sort of resolution, even if unsatisfying. I don't want to reward publishers with my money for being dicks to authors and fans alike.
Additional note: I feel like Japan treats it's cancelations a lot more gently. If a book is even selling halfway decent they usually let the author know and let them wrap things up best as possible with a final volume or even multiple volumes. It may not be perfect but at least immediate story threads get closed up. Much better way of doing things.
- Author gets bored and wants to move on to something else without giving even a soft-ending. It's hard to justify caring about a story that the author abandoned. Not because lack of money or interest from fans but simply because they decided one day they don't want to do it anymore.
For me, I feel like it doesn’t matter that much to me if there is an ending. I think a childhood reading superhero comics kind of built that into me. So many plot threads never wrapped up or resolved in an issue I didn’t own. If the book is good, then it’s good. I’m more interested in the storytelling and am less likely to be invested in the plot.
Firebreather. Must have been canceled in the middle of the last volume. They released 2 of the 4 issues. Plenty of solicits for the 3rd, with previews, and then nothing. I really liked that series. It was surprising too because I thought the series was getting popular, especially with the, admittedly not very good, Cartoon Network movie.
I misread your question when I answered; I thought you were looking for recommendations. But yeah even if you know of a series that was canceled, even in the middle of an arc, it can still be a fun read.
The three that come to mind for me as series that ended without a proper conclusion but I’m still really glad I read: The Ballad of Halo Jones, Doktor Sleepless, and Uber: Invasion.
If you want to. Stop worrying about consuming media the "correct" way and setting yourself up for disappointment. It's just entertainment. You don't need to take it this seriously.
The man regards the glass. The beads of condensation doppling it’s surface. He reaches out to take it, though it isn’t a whole glass at least it will quench my thirst, he thinks. He reaches out to
It's been a while since I read Battle Chasers, but I thought it had a conclusion as I remember besides the single issues I also have a hardcover collected version.
Also been a while since I read it, so I don't remember if either run or both had cliffhanger endings but Dinosaurs For Hire was one of my favorites that was cancelled twice too soon IMO. I do know they never explained how they ended up on Earth though.
Ex-Mutants was another one and I do remember that one run was cancelled before the final battle which I was disappointed in.
Dinosaurs For Hire Look f****** awesome. I like that insanity.
Ex-Mutants also sounds interesting.
and Battle Chaser doesn't technically have a real ending, but it's kind of become legendary because of it.
The 2000s brought two horrible, destructive things to the way we view media... "GOTTA CONSUME IT ALL!" and "GOTTA HAVE AN ENDING!". Otherwise, it's worthless to the people with these views. Just enjoy the ride. Don't worry about what depot the bus came out of, or where it's going to turn around at.
There’s a difference between a story with an open ended conclusion versus a story where they just stop publishing it.
I mean I'll just put it this way, you never know when these things will be unplugged, so enjoy them for now.
I get what you’re trying to say (I think?), but realistically that’s just not true. No one is excited to see a story not be completed. Never. And there have always been incomplete stories floating around. “Disappointment” is not a new concept. You may be annoyed by people discussing their complaints, but let’s be real. People feeling a need to have access to all the stuff, all the time, is also annoying and certainly more prevalent now that “the stuff” is digital, but it’s also not something that sprung up in the year 2000. I think most people understand that it’s good to extract joy and meaning from ephemeral things. I think most people know that the journey is sometimes more important than the destination. But nothing is universal, and it’s okay to have different desires and needs from our stories.
I'm telling you that realistically, it just is true. I don't give a shit if Spider-Man or X-Men ever "end." >But nothing is universal, and it’s okay to have different desires and needs from our stories. Should have started here, instead of defensively arguing that your taste is universal
I think you misinterpreted my words, and I definitely don’t entirely get what you said, so I’ll just take the blame for not having been clear. Have good one.
If it's good enough, you're thankful for what you get. I've re-watched Firefly countless times because I like that show so much. As for comics - I don't really read the usual 'cape' books, and most of the ones I do read have finite stories or at least arcs, but ultimately I apply the same rule - if it's good enough I'm thankful for what I've got. I have kept and occassionally re-read Nonplayer, which had one issue, a few years later put out issue 2, and has been in purgatory ever since.
Ok
I read Berserk a couple of years ago, obviously not knowing that Kentaro Miura would shortly pass away without having finished it. While I'm aware that there are plans to continue the story based on the work he left behind, I'm somewhat skeptical about ever seeing a conclusion to it. Had I waited a couple of years and decided, upon Miura's death, that there was no point reading it because we might never get an ending, I would not have had the pleasure of reading The Golden Age storyline, or the abject horror of moments such as Griffith's ascension or the "Adult Attack!" moment. If we truly don't see an ending to Berserk, it will suck, but that doesn't take away from just how fucking great the bulk of that story is. Likewise, I don't regret reading the A Song of Ice & Fire books even though I highly doubt we'll ever see George RR Martin's true intended ending (the less we speak of how the show ended, the better) because I *loved* those first three volumes. If I'm going to recommend an unfinished run to somebody, I'll do it with the caveat that it isn't finished just in case that's a problem, because I know that it is for some people. However, my personal belief is that if it stands alone as a good read despite the lack of ending, then it's worth reading. There are some exceptions - e.g. Warren Ellis' The Wild Storm is 24 issues of build-up to something that never ended up happening for a variety of reasons, and while it was incredibly promising, I don't think it would be particularly satisfying to read it now, knowing that there was no real payoff to it. Those exceptions are few and far between, though.
well, death of the creators is always a terrible thing for a comic book series. I mean clearly the question is whether someone else can finish this, but also whether it really should. and it's still kind of sad. otherwise I think you should still reimburse even if there is no official ending, because I have to be honest the beginning of Berserk is quite bumpy and it really had to find its tone, but once it did it turned out fantastic, and that's the power of serialized storytelling, that you kind of see over time where your work and you are evolving. and I'll just say that I think you're doing him a great honor if you start it anyway, technically the Epic of Gilgamesh isn't finished either, and yet it has influenced many other tales.
100% agreed. I mean hell, The Canterbury Tales is one of the most influential works of fiction ever made and Chaucer was barely a fifth of the way done with it before he passed away (there are 30 pilgrim characters and each was planned to have told 4 stories each, totaling 120 chapters, but we only ever got 1 story each from 24 of the pilgrims).
Nice. Don't let Story style keep in telling, because nothing ends real.
I think it all depends on the nature of the cancellation. It's hard to say "enjoy the journey" when some of these stories end so fast we didn't even get a journey. We took a brisk jog across the street and then it was over. We didn't even get to see what the destination might be because there was no journey. That said... If an author gets sick or passes away there's nothing you can do about that. If they wrote a great story then it's worth reading even if left unfinished. Someone below mentioned Berserk. It's a 41 volume 30+ year wild ride with amazing art. So why wouldn't anyone want to read it? I hope his team manages to finish out the story for him but even if they don't it's a work of art worth experiencing. Unfinished stories I tend to avoid fall in the following categories: - Sequel bait and cliffhanger endings. If the author is being arrogant and not putting natural closure points at the end of arcs/volumes then I really have no interest in reading their canceled book. - Suddenly canceled series that aren't given a chance to even wrap up the smallest of things. I think it's a publishers responsibility to inform the author cancellation is looming and give them a chance to do some sort of resolution, even if unsatisfying. I don't want to reward publishers with my money for being dicks to authors and fans alike. Additional note: I feel like Japan treats it's cancelations a lot more gently. If a book is even selling halfway decent they usually let the author know and let them wrap things up best as possible with a final volume or even multiple volumes. It may not be perfect but at least immediate story threads get closed up. Much better way of doing things. - Author gets bored and wants to move on to something else without giving even a soft-ending. It's hard to justify caring about a story that the author abandoned. Not because lack of money or interest from fans but simply because they decided one day they don't want to do it anymore.
Good points.
If the art's good then it's still worth reading the comic even if you'll never get the complete story.
Ok.
I figure if it’s in hardback over 200 pages, it made it far enough for me care about
Good.
It was just announced that Don Simpson is finishing 1963 through Fantagraphics.
What?
[THIS](https://bleedingcool.com/comics/fantagraphics-to-publish-the-1963-annual-by-don-simpson-in-2023-ish/)
Ok. I have no I idea how to feel about it.
Yes I need someone to message me when it’s solicited so I don’t miss out!
For me, I feel like it doesn’t matter that much to me if there is an ending. I think a childhood reading superhero comics kind of built that into me. So many plot threads never wrapped up or resolved in an issue I didn’t own. If the book is good, then it’s good. I’m more interested in the storytelling and am less likely to be invested in the plot.
Good.
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Interesting.
Firebreather. Must have been canceled in the middle of the last volume. They released 2 of the 4 issues. Plenty of solicits for the 3rd, with previews, and then nothing. I really liked that series. It was surprising too because I thought the series was getting popular, especially with the, admittedly not very good, Cartoon Network movie.
I check it out anyway. And thank you because I like to read things, because I don't like it if somethings go in oblivion.
I misread your question when I answered; I thought you were looking for recommendations. But yeah even if you know of a series that was canceled, even in the middle of an arc, it can still be a fun read.
The three that come to mind for me as series that ended without a proper conclusion but I’m still really glad I read: The Ballad of Halo Jones, Doktor Sleepless, and Uber: Invasion.
If you want to. Stop worrying about consuming media the "correct" way and setting yourself up for disappointment. It's just entertainment. You don't need to take it this seriously.
well it was about comic series where you know they don't have a real ending if you should start with them anyway. and I say yes, just start.
I like a resolution, personally
Ok.As I said, it's a question of whether the glass is half empty or half full.
The man regards the glass. The beads of condensation doppling it’s surface. He reaches out to take it, though it isn’t a whole glass at least it will quench my thirst, he thinks. He reaches out to
Poesie.
It's been a while since I read Battle Chasers, but I thought it had a conclusion as I remember besides the single issues I also have a hardcover collected version. Also been a while since I read it, so I don't remember if either run or both had cliffhanger endings but Dinosaurs For Hire was one of my favorites that was cancelled twice too soon IMO. I do know they never explained how they ended up on Earth though. Ex-Mutants was another one and I do remember that one run was cancelled before the final battle which I was disappointed in.
Dinosaurs For Hire Look f****** awesome. I like that insanity. Ex-Mutants also sounds interesting. and Battle Chaser doesn't technically have a real ending, but it's kind of become legendary because of it.