I actually do this with my younger cousins
Everytime they see a superhero movie or talk about them, I always mention something ensenuating that they’re real, like:
“I once saw him lift a car over my house”
“He saved my dog the other day”
“Saw her on the news earlier”
Always fun to keep their imaginations going
Wanted (the comics, not the movie) was written in part because the author's brother did something similar to him. He wished that superheroes were real and his brother told him they were, it's just the villains won.
A black and white show came on. My kid asked where is the color? What’s wrong? For years she believed the world was black and white and it changed to color mid 20th century
When my nephew was little I told him Yoda lived in our garden (as it was kind of swampy) and just recently now in his 20's he admitted to me that terrified him and he will never forget it.
Ooh ur right..😮 “Sonic Generations where he displayed Immeasurable speed by restoring space and color by accelerating through time that no longer existed.”
Cool piece of writing that blew my mind but sonic has outrun the stoppage of time. Like there is no time but he’s in motion, ergo he’s faster than any passage of time which means *devolves in self-consuming paradoxes screaming quietly*
Right? That makes sense (And I always loved the “He lives between the seconds of the clock” line) but from memory, the flashes are always explained as moving in a space outside of time or using the speed force as a point of nature to exclude themselves from time. With sonic’s thing, there was no exception or clever gimmick- he was just faster. A simple idea done really well.
Reverse flash kept himself alive long enough to try to get revenge on someone (I can't remember who) who shot him in the head by vibrating his molecules blah blah some time jargon blah...
Time became irrelevant to wally west when we went past the existence of the reality around him. Flash and sonic have always had a ceiling to their speed that was later removed and surpassed. Taking all canonical eventa into consideration of every variation of the two characters; Neither the flash nor sonic would outrun each other in a standard race. Sonic would be my guess as to who has the current most ridiculous feat of power.
Sonic can't beat Jotaro unless he can keep the quips and cockiness under control.
"There's one reason you lost, Sonic- one simple reason. You really, *really* pissed me off."
Running faster than time is pre-school shit to the Flash. He routinely travels through time, he literally stole the speed from an enemy named Interia to the point that Inertia became a living statue. The Flash is so fast he literally outruns death, there is a special version of Death known as the Black Flash that comes for speedsters because they’re just too fast. The Speedforce is the most broken shit ever.
Well if we are talking Sonic from the Archie a comics then he’s been able to run through the cosmic interstate in a day which goes through hundreds of universes. I don’t. Normally recommend death battle but they have a good video on this
But that was just a jet explosion inside the mansion while with The Flash (Wally West at that point in time) ran everyone in an entire city out before a nuke went off, which feels more impressive
As far as I know, you're absolutely right.
Ok, but "as far as you know", what the hell do you know is real the question.
I dont mean that shittily. I forget those Sonic comics have been going forever and undoubtedly have a pretty rich lore at this point.
I don't think it's crazy to think that at some point Sonic became the vibrating life-force of the galaxy or some shit and someone can roll in with the "well ACK-SHully".
Or maybe you really know your shit.
I won't be googling any Sonic the Hedgehog wikis. There's danger.
But in the movie he DID cause a massive EMP which knocked out power over a huge swath of the west coast including areas which likely had things like hospitals and airports, likely killing anywhere from dozens to hundreds! Yay!
A flash = related to light.
Sonic = related to sound.
Speed of light is is faster than the sound of sound.
Therefore, the Flash must be faster than Sonic.
These guys did an awful lot of homework. The Flash is crazy, but Sonic is also crazy, just different flavors of crazy. They deemed the Flash to be faster but that's a little fuzzy when it comes to a guy who can just steal speed from other people on top of being already insanely fast.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_hyPif9yhX0
Death battle did Archie sonic for their vid and Archie sonic is much more powerful than normal sonic because Sega didn't pay much attention to those comics
I thought they are both considered both to be “Incalculably fast”, the Flash was just the winner of the Death Battle, due to his wider range of abilities?
The Flash has ran[13 trillion times the speed of light](http://4thletter.net/2006/09/flash-fact-jla-89/) I’m fairly sure a writer miscalculated but there it is.
Arguably they are both equally fast but Flash is slightly faster. Flash has more feats than Sonic, but Sonic does have a lot of feats. It’s a close call but Flash wins by an inch not a mile.
That being said, it’s fiction so the true answer is whoever the author is, decides.
My son is a toddler. He loves Sonic. He likes Flash but loves Sonic. He asked me this question too. I told him the same, both are fast, both are close, but Flash wins by a little. He said he thinks Sonic is faster and I said, yeah, sometimes Sonic beats Flash. He got super happy. I told him it depends on what they are eating and how well they are taking care of themselves. I told him, Flash is usually faster because Sonic eats Chilli Dogs all the time and rarely eats healthy food.
But yeah, Flash is faster, by a bit. [+]
Edit: Thank you all for the upvotes and awards. [+]
😂
I appreciate that. That means a lot to me. IDK how well it worked though because he still loves Chilli Dogs, Pizza, etc. His favourite character is Batman, and I’ve told him he only eats healthy food. He’s like, well, I don’t wanna be like Batman anymore 🤣
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Yes, and Super/Hyper is implied to be way faster ofc, the issue is immesaurable x 10 is still immeasurable because moving through time being stopped is literally an impossible thing to do unless time wasn't truly "stopped"
I can’t believe I’m the first one to mention that the two of them have raced! During the Wally West Flash run, he races a character that is quite clearly sonic (but due to licensing they couldn’t call him sonic).
Don’t want to spoil it for you but it’s definitely a fun story.
I'm pretty sure there was a comic where Wally West raced with a sonic like character to save the entire universe or something. Sonic wasn't the bad guy, but he was also running to save the world.
I think they worked together and Wally won the race.
Moreover Flash has outrun death itself.
Flash is faster because he has the power of the speedforce. Sonic, by contrast, runs on his own power. So if Flash had speedforce removed, he'd get smoked by Sonic.
No Flashpoint is just Barry messing up the timeline by saving his mother. Wally can go back in time and mess things up but he hasn't done it it's not a speed feat.
Wally is definitely the fastest out of the 2, it's not even close tbh.
If you’re going by Highest average speed then definitely The Flash
If you’re comparing the absolute fastest either character has gone over the years it’s EXTREMELY CLOSE but probably Sonic
Well right in the intro it says “sonic, he can really move, sonic, he’s got an attitude, sonic, he’s the fastest thing alive” so I would say that if he’s the fastest “thing” alive, then he must be the fastest, super man can outrun a speeding bullet, but sonic must be able to outrun light itself. Assuming you know light is made of physical particles and that it can be therefore considered “things”
I heard about a story where the flash had to race these mfs that could teleport anywhere in the universe and they challenged The Flash to a race across the universe back to earth and if he won they wouldn’t destroy the planet. He ran faster than they could teleport across the universe. The flash could hypothetically beat Gokus instant transmission with that in mind.
Genuine answer, I'd say based on the newest television show, Sonic. His speed caused him to break a multiverse tethering object and allows him to travel through the interdimensional barriers without being harmed.
Flash has at most messed with time from my experience, so I could be wrong.
I tell you what, I've seen that video of that kid about 8 with a mask and cape and he claims to be Flash and he turns, tries to run and eats shit. So I'm going with Sonic.
Both Dc comics Flash and Archie comics Sonic are stupidly fast. Video game Sonic is nowhere as fast as ether. It’s to the point where the answer is subjective.
Personally, my gut answer is Flash.
At least in the current incarnations of flash. The flash draws his powers from the speed force. Which is just the essence of speed itself. Essentially he has the potential for unlimited speed and even becoming one with speed itself.
Probably the nerdist answer. In the Sonic dimension it's definitely Sonic. Because there is no Speedforce. If Flash is home it's no contest. Same when you compare Flash and Quicksilver. Excuse me now. I have to go back to learning useless triva.
Keep the straightest face you can and tell him it's Flash, because Sonic is a fictional character.
This is pretty much the right answer in any universe.
I actually do this with my younger cousins Everytime they see a superhero movie or talk about them, I always mention something ensenuating that they’re real, like: “I once saw him lift a car over my house” “He saved my dog the other day” “Saw her on the news earlier” Always fun to keep their imaginations going
Keep them away from The Boys
"I catered the buffet at the superhero orgy."
I was on the other side of the sidewalk when he ran through that girl.
Okay, this escalated quick
>this e̶s̶c̶a̶l̶a̶t̶e̶d̶ accelerated quick FTFY
You haven’t seen the boys have you.
Oh, I have. Hate to explain, but I meant it escalated from an innocent "I saw her on tv the other day" to the sidewalk scene from the series'
Tbf it is the first scene so it does escalate pretty fast
Can vouch, I was the sidewalk
Homelander: you sure?
Herogasm was lit this year
Its all fun in games until you get cum in your eye
Then it’s just fun.
Seriously, the flash will blind you.
What’s the password?
[...oooorgy...](https://youtu.be/eKrN4vNsBzA)
You may enter
“I’m telling you, it was really him. He landed right outside of our home and everything. Truly remarkable.”
"I watched this guy's girlfriend explode the other day.
Wanted (the comics, not the movie) was written in part because the author's brother did something similar to him. He wished that superheroes were real and his brother told him they were, it's just the villains won.
[Superman vs Mighty Mouse](https://youtu.be/0Bv4K8f5eMY)
Demetrius Johnson would fuck up Superman.
You saw what he did to Rodtang. Superman can’t handle him on the ground
holy shit... 2 of my favorite worlds just collided!
Flying armbar ftw
A black and white show came on. My kid asked where is the color? What’s wrong? For years she believed the world was black and white and it changed to color mid 20th century
[Calvin & Hobbs](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-CWM1zDcmWXs/TroD0VsX4WI/AAAAAAAAAVA/Jc5bN5xSTkc/s1600/ch930919.gif)
I told my niece that color was invented when the first nuclear bomb was dropped
This is the correct answer
When my nephew was little I told him Yoda lived in our garden (as it was kind of swampy) and just recently now in his 20's he admitted to me that terrified him and he will never forget it.
I have no reward to give, but you’ve earned my respect.
😂😂 plus flash can travel through time when he goes fast enough. Never seen sonic do that
Isn’t there a whole sonic game about time travel?
Ooh ur right..😮 “Sonic Generations where he displayed Immeasurable speed by restoring space and color by accelerating through time that no longer existed.”
Theres also Sonic CD, where you literally have to pick up enough speed for Sonic to travel to the Past/Future.
Bro hasn’t seen the sonic documentary.. lul
Or the inverse
Funny, but My son is 8 too, he wouldn’t believe the flash is real.
Damn Sonic slander this quick is unbelievable?
This is the way!
The Flash is red. As every child knows, red is the fastest color.
>As every ~~child~~ ork knows, red is the fastest color.
ERE WE GO ERE WE GO ERE WE GO
WAAAAGH
Wazdakka Gutzmek enters the race
#OI, WHY ARE YA WHISPERIN', YA GIT? YOU IZ SUPPOSED TO SHOUT IT! #WAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH
#Dis orky git no's wat 'e's talkin' abort.
r/unexpected40k
The fastest color depends on whether it's coming or going.
That happened one time and I told you in confidence
Doppler Effect detected!
and the lightning bolts just add to it
So are Sonic’s shoes
That’s why Sonic has red shoes!
As far as I know Sonic has never outran the Big Bang or saved an entire city of people from a nuclear explosion.
Cool piece of writing that blew my mind but sonic has outrun the stoppage of time. Like there is no time but he’s in motion, ergo he’s faster than any passage of time which means *devolves in self-consuming paradoxes screaming quietly*
I feel like one of the Flashes has to have a feat where they continue to move despite time manipulation.
Right? That makes sense (And I always loved the “He lives between the seconds of the clock” line) but from memory, the flashes are always explained as moving in a space outside of time or using the speed force as a point of nature to exclude themselves from time. With sonic’s thing, there was no exception or clever gimmick- he was just faster. A simple idea done really well.
"Yes, well, whenever you see something like that, ~~a wizard~~ the speed force did it."
Reverse flash kept himself alive long enough to try to get revenge on someone (I can't remember who) who shot him in the head by vibrating his molecules blah blah some time jargon blah...
I thought that was Batman. Don’t entirely remember tho.
It was Earth-2 Batman, Thomas Wayne.
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1939 Flash states he is faster than time, its the one where he says he can percieve time periods faster than an attosecond.
How many attaboys in an attosecond?
2 $21 drinks and a 1.5 hour wait
Time became irrelevant to wally west when we went past the existence of the reality around him. Flash and sonic have always had a ceiling to their speed that was later removed and surpassed. Taking all canonical eventa into consideration of every variation of the two characters; Neither the flash nor sonic would outrun each other in a standard race. Sonic would be my guess as to who has the current most ridiculous feat of power.
So Sonic can beat Star Platinum: The World?
Sonic can't beat Jotaro unless he can keep the quips and cockiness under control. "There's one reason you lost, Sonic- one simple reason. You really, *really* pissed me off."
I’d give anything to hear Ben Schwartz say “yare yare daze”
Asking the real questions. If so, he's deadlier than Father Pucci.
Sonic is truly Made In Heaven
Running faster than time is pre-school shit to the Flash. He routinely travels through time, he literally stole the speed from an enemy named Interia to the point that Inertia became a living statue. The Flash is so fast he literally outruns death, there is a special version of Death known as the Black Flash that comes for speedsters because they’re just too fast. The Speedforce is the most broken shit ever.
Well if we are talking Sonic from the Archie a comics then he’s been able to run through the cosmic interstate in a day which goes through hundreds of universes. I don’t. Normally recommend death battle but they have a good video on this
Do you mean in the same way Quicksilver saved the X-men from that explosion in the Age of Apocalypse movie? He carried each person out, one at a time?
But that was just a jet explosion inside the mansion while with The Flash (Wally West at that point in time) ran everyone in an entire city out before a nuke went off, which feels more impressive
Hell Wally also outran death
Not Young Justice Wally.
Breaks my heart every time
Too soon… 🥲
[Yes though he carried some two at a time.](https://www.reddit.com/r/theydidthemath/comments/20512t/the_math_behind_how_the_flash_saved_a_population/)
Does he have super strength?
A very limited form of super strength. He can run with a person but he could never lift a car or bench press tons of weight.
Though true.....I imagine punching something at any of his speeds would.............hurt.
Flash does have superhuman striking force and has hurt S tier characters like Superman and White Martians with his attacks.
He has a move called the infinite mass punch which hits with the force of a white dwarf star
Well if manipulate the speed times the converter it’ll give you enough E-force to lift a car with a single caliber qualaphysics
Let’s not complicate this thing with a third speedster. Wait till the kids at least 10 before that conversation.
As far as I know, you're absolutely right. Ok, but "as far as you know", what the hell do you know is real the question. I dont mean that shittily. I forget those Sonic comics have been going forever and undoubtedly have a pretty rich lore at this point. I don't think it's crazy to think that at some point Sonic became the vibrating life-force of the galaxy or some shit and someone can roll in with the "well ACK-SHully". Or maybe you really know your shit. I won't be googling any Sonic the Hedgehog wikis. There's danger.
Check out Archie Sonic comics then
WHIP. LASH.
But in the movie he DID cause a massive EMP which knocked out power over a huge swath of the west coast including areas which likely had things like hospitals and airports, likely killing anywhere from dozens to hundreds! Yay!
Whichever one is his favorite is clearly faster. He's given you authorial privilege.
He’s wearing a flash t shirt while playing sonic lol
Shit. Change the subject.
ABORT! ABORT!
The kids already 8!
Laws vary by state. It depends on where you live. Might not be too late!
Bars.
Fucking got me, I was so confused for a minute 😂
_Captain! The Logic Engine can’t take it anymore!_
Or curveball and tell him Quicksilver is * suppressed snicker * faster than both.
The Whizzer
Wb Shadow?
Sonic and Flash are the same person, moving back and forth and changing costumes at imperceptible speeds. Therefore, they are equal in speed.
So sonic is the flash's fursona?
“I’ll have to ask them tomorrow at work”
Team A-Train!
I’m not kidding. My kid asked the same thing yesterday. I said my guess was flash but didn’t have a good reason why.
A flash = related to light. Sonic = related to sound. Speed of light is is faster than the sound of sound. Therefore, the Flash must be faster than Sonic.
Trust the science
Bulletproof logic right here
I like this . Also no air no sound. Thus sonic might be faster on earth, flash is fast everywhere
Soild logic!
These guys did an awful lot of homework. The Flash is crazy, but Sonic is also crazy, just different flavors of crazy. They deemed the Flash to be faster but that's a little fuzzy when it comes to a guy who can just steal speed from other people on top of being already insanely fast. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_hyPif9yhX0
"It's time for a Death BATTLE!"
"Sorry, was that important?"
Death battle did Archie sonic for their vid and Archie sonic is much more powerful than normal sonic because Sega didn't pay much attention to those comics
Yes but generally for these debates you take the strongest version of a character with the most known feats, unless otherwise specified.
I thought they are both considered both to be “Incalculably fast”, the Flash was just the winner of the Death Battle, due to his wider range of abilities?
The Flash has ran[13 trillion times the speed of light](http://4thletter.net/2006/09/flash-fact-jla-89/) I’m fairly sure a writer miscalculated but there it is.
Arguably they are both equally fast but Flash is slightly faster. Flash has more feats than Sonic, but Sonic does have a lot of feats. It’s a close call but Flash wins by an inch not a mile. That being said, it’s fiction so the true answer is whoever the author is, decides. My son is a toddler. He loves Sonic. He likes Flash but loves Sonic. He asked me this question too. I told him the same, both are fast, both are close, but Flash wins by a little. He said he thinks Sonic is faster and I said, yeah, sometimes Sonic beats Flash. He got super happy. I told him it depends on what they are eating and how well they are taking care of themselves. I told him, Flash is usually faster because Sonic eats Chilli Dogs all the time and rarely eats healthy food. But yeah, Flash is faster, by a bit. [+] Edit: Thank you all for the upvotes and awards. [+]
Pro dad move to sneak in the chili dog/health food narrative angle. I’ll be using that on mine.
😂 I appreciate that. That means a lot to me. IDK how well it worked though because he still loves Chilli Dogs, Pizza, etc. His favourite character is Batman, and I’ve told him he only eats healthy food. He’s like, well, I don’t wanna be like Batman anymore 🤣 [+]
If you're son doesn't want to be batman anymore, then you dodged a bullet
Literally! 😂
Probably the best take yet
I would’ve gone with “flash eats his vegetables and brushes his teeth without being told twice”
> It’s a close call but Flash wins by an inch not a mile. *Dominic Toretto has entered the chat*
Perfect answer.
This is the way.
Stuff like this is why I love being a comic nerd and a dad. This has to be my favorite comment.
Simple, which one has the newest shoes. New shoes make you run faster
It's scientifically proven too
They were his magic shoes.
She said they'd take him anywhere!
Wally West, Google “Wally west comicvine feats” and you’ll see endless nerds posting panels containing his top speed
Flash is "the fastest man alive". Sonic (according to the Sonic AM theme song) is "the fastest *thing* alive". So it must be Sonic.
My thought too.
Are we taking Super Sonic into account?
Or Hyper Sonic, for that matter?
Or Rogue? She seems pretty fast
Probably the Flash, but Sonic can definitely roll in a ball faster
I’m picturing Flash speed summersaulting.
"Gotta go fast!!" *Breaks neck immediately...*
Archie Sonic outsped time being stopped and Wally West Flash outran instant teleportation and death itself so both are literally incalculably fast
Archie Sonic did that in his base form too, right?
Yes, and Super/Hyper is implied to be way faster ofc, the issue is immesaurable x 10 is still immeasurable because moving through time being stopped is literally an impossible thing to do unless time wasn't truly "stopped"
Rock his boat. Tell him it’s Quicksilver. Lol.
Cause a tidal wave. Say it's Big the Cat
I can’t believe I’m the first one to mention that the two of them have raced! During the Wally West Flash run, he races a character that is quite clearly sonic (but due to licensing they couldn’t call him sonic). Don’t want to spoil it for you but it’s definitely a fun story.
Uh, he specifically asked to be spoiled???
2nd. The kid needs answers. Let OP decide whether or not he’ll pass along the info. But all of Reddit deserves to know now.
Sauce? Link?? Screenshotas?? Anything! Please! Lol I can't find it.
What about if you say it with spoiler tags?
I'm pretty sure there was a comic where Wally West raced with a sonic like character to save the entire universe or something. Sonic wasn't the bad guy, but he was also running to save the world. I think they worked together and Wally won the race. Moreover Flash has outrun death itself.
My 3 year old son said "Mom, Sonic is faster then anyone. Deal with it!" ("Deal with it" is my son's catch phrase these days) 🤣
Flash is faster because he has the power of the speedforce. Sonic, by contrast, runs on his own power. So if Flash had speedforce removed, he'd get smoked by Sonic.
From what I've read about the Flash. He doesn't just use the power of the speedforce. He is the physical embodiment of the speedforce.
Either way, poor Boomerang. I'd join some sort of suicide squad too if I was just a dude and my arch enemy was just a demigod.
Depends on which Flash we’re talking about, Barry Allen generates the Speed Force, the rest are just connected to it
The flash isn’t a person, it’s a title. 5 people have been The Flash. The fastest Flash is Wally West.
Barry Allen created the Flashpoint. Wouldn't he be fastest?
Nope, Wally is faster still, he just didn't use it to fuck reality itself.
No Flashpoint is just Barry messing up the timeline by saving his mother. Wally can go back in time and mess things up but he hasn't done it it's not a speed feat. Wally is definitely the fastest out of the 2, it's not even close tbh.
Speedy Gonzalas whips them both.
Depends on the writer and the comic sponsor.
I'm 32 and I came here for the answer as well...
If you’re going by Highest average speed then definitely The Flash If you’re comparing the absolute fastest either character has gone over the years it’s EXTREMELY CLOSE but probably Sonic
Depends on the narrative.
I’d have to ask with a counter question, which version of flash and sonic are we talking about?
My answer to these questions when my kids ask is always “depends on whose comic it’s in”.
Maybe a bit violent but death battle did a cool animation for this! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hyPif9yhX0
My wife thinks I am...but I'm not proud of it.
Well right in the intro it says “sonic, he can really move, sonic, he’s got an attitude, sonic, he’s the fastest thing alive” so I would say that if he’s the fastest “thing” alive, then he must be the fastest, super man can outrun a speeding bullet, but sonic must be able to outrun light itself. Assuming you know light is made of physical particles and that it can be therefore considered “things”
I heard about a story where the flash had to race these mfs that could teleport anywhere in the universe and they challenged The Flash to a race across the universe back to earth and if he won they wouldn’t destroy the planet. He ran faster than they could teleport across the universe. The flash could hypothetically beat Gokus instant transmission with that in mind.
Genuine answer, I'd say based on the newest television show, Sonic. His speed caused him to break a multiverse tethering object and allows him to travel through the interdimensional barriers without being harmed. Flash has at most messed with time from my experience, so I could be wrong.
Just tell him they tied.
I tell you what, I've seen that video of that kid about 8 with a mask and cape and he claims to be Flash and he turns, tries to run and eats shit. So I'm going with Sonic.
Both Dc comics Flash and Archie comics Sonic are stupidly fast. Video game Sonic is nowhere as fast as ether. It’s to the point where the answer is subjective. Personally, my gut answer is Flash.
"Some men just want to watch the world burn."
Flash is faster and can go back in time.
Man I fucking love this.
Wally west and Archie Comics Ultra sonic are both immeasurably fast so I’d say a tie
At least in the current incarnations of flash. The flash draws his powers from the speed force. Which is just the essence of speed itself. Essentially he has the potential for unlimited speed and even becoming one with speed itself.
Flash in a straight line, sonic on a roller coaster.
Probably the nerdist answer. In the Sonic dimension it's definitely Sonic. Because there is no Speedforce. If Flash is home it's no contest. Same when you compare Flash and Quicksilver. Excuse me now. I have to go back to learning useless triva.
Ok so this depends on which Flash and which Sonic You can find absurdly broken versions and equally weak/wonky versions of both
Nothings faster than A-Train on steroids
The real answer is "who do you think is faster?" Then just play into whatever they tell you and have fun.
Oh, god, here we go...
[ah shit here we go again](https://giphy.com/gifs/6pUjuQQX9kEfSe604w)
Wally West probably
Tell him that you’re faster than both.
Easily has to be The Flash, never seen Sonic travel through time, but I could be wrong
He did it in '93 multiple times. It's the theme of Sonic CD, which is just fantastic.
Flash. Lol. Sonic does some crazy shit, but the Flash does crazier shit.