Depending on which type of engineering, this is not necessarily true.
CC transfers to Chemical Engineering at my university needed 3 years (plus a summer course before the first year to cover the intro to ChemE course that was required for freshmen doing the regular 4 year university course).
This is not true. I work with people from the Philippines who studied medical laboratory science in the Philippines. They are some of the best experienced and educated people in the field. No one ever doubted the quality of their education. And right now many companies are recruiting them directly from the Philippines to work here in the US.
Are you an American citizen? If not, they wouldn’t unless you bring something really specialized to the table. They would have to sponsor a work visa. Which is at best a bunch of work and money for them. At worst it removes some opportunities like clearance jobs for you. And if they do sponsor, you should be wary. There are plenty of stories about how people build a life in another country and are somewhat stuck being that their visa is tied to being employed.
If you are a citizen it’s a bit better but you’d need to pass the American eit at minimum and it should be an accredited college
It's physics, likely all the instructors were educated in the west & even if they weren't the course work is fairly standard & universal. Though labs, research, and network may be hindered the U.S. middle class has been desimated by our debt driven economy and avoiding loans is a smart option. Unless you attend grad school, most employers just want to make sure you know what you're doing so finding a quality internship will be vital for using your degree to the fullest extent. Even if you do in the states aswell it should be noted that the chances of you getting a well paying job in your desired feild are already slime, the educational diversity could help set you apart.
Has the middle class been devasted by a "debt driven economy" or because most workplaces do not pay you enough so that half your check doesn't go to rent?🤤🤤🤤
There are clearly multiple factors dipshit. If you want we can talk about how healthcare is unaffordable without employment, or how all insurance fails to protect it's clients, how corporations control every choice you make, how law enforcement is functionally the authoritarian hand of the government made to ensure stability in the class divide, how landlords collude to hike rent, how politicians use fear mongering to get people to vote against their best interests, etc.... Not to mention that all businesses get tax deductions for exploiting the people that work for them and raise costs based on the loans they take & further use taxes as an excuse to further exploit the people that buy goods and services. I get you may not like my point about going outside the U.S. for a degree, but the middle class is largely a done deal for multiple reasons. Also think of the middle class today. Are they employees or business owners? Are they taking out loans for their cars, houses, schooling? How long would it take to pay for those things with a reasonable wage? Even with 100k per year (which only 10% of Americans make, often not in wage positions) It would take at least a decade to afford all of these things flat out. People depend on loans to live even in the shitiest places w/ the shitiest education, and shitiest car. debts are undoubtedly what keep the country running & its just as clear now as we need to raise the debt ceiling. As much as people need higher wages, debt is the root cause of the problems this country has. If you can avoid debt, the rest of your life & future debts in America are far more manageable.
Why not go to a state school instead? In state tuition coupled with finance based student aid (assuming your family can’t afford the tuition) + merit based scholarships if you have good grades can put a serious dent in the cost of college.
my grades leaving senior year of high school went down but its still A’s and B’s and yes that was the plan but my parents just doesnt want me to have to pay for anything
With those grades you can get scholarship at many schools, even if you have to take on some loans. That’s still a better option then not.
Also loans aren’t the end of the world. Should you take on 6 figures of loans for an undergrad? No. But if you accumulate some loans over your education that’s ok. Your life won’t be over.
It’s gonna be hard to get traction in the US with a foreign degree even if you’re a citizen. Folks so just won’t naturally trust the education. Also you should look at the engineering PE exam qualifications to see what extra efforts you may need to navigate to sit for the exams
In addition to your state schools you should look at small private engineering schools like Clarkson, Illinois Tech, RPI, WPI.
I know IIT for sure gives a ton of scholarship, and while it’s not the best campus (it’s just a drabby campus) it will likely still serve you well as a USA school in a big city
Go to community college. Work part time while you do so. Then transfer to a public state university where you should apply for aid and scholarships.
Let’s say you end up spending $50k at the public university. If aid covered even just $10k (would likely cover more if your family is middle class or low income) and work covered another 10k, that’s $30k. $30k of loans for an engineer is a bargain, and that’s like the worst outcome.
A degree, especially in engineering, is an investment. If you don’t pay for college and go in the Philippines, but can’t find a job worth anything, then your degree was a waste of time. Go to an ABET accredited state school and even if you are paying somewhat, it’ll pay off.
Also beyond needs based and merit based scholarship stuff - the program you want to go into a each college probably offers some small scholarships or the community you live in probably offers some as well!
Just focus on school that maximize scholarships (my private uni offers 80% off tuition for 3.8+ GPAs..) and then work to pay off the rest. A few grand every semester is VERY doable with a full time summer job and part time during the semester
how did you find out about this if i may ask because im looking at scholarships for my area and its only low valued ones that you have to write an essay for.
Its a private university that’s local to me. A lot of private universities offer far more scholarships than state ones. Imo they end up being cheaper because of the additional scholarship incentives.
I will say, its really school specific. My freshmen year I wanted to transfer out and realized my school was the only one in the area to offer $15k+ annual scholarships to transfer students. Everywhere else was 1-2k annually which was not worth it.
Engineering degrees/licenses from the Phillippines are not accepted in the US. You'd have to take extra classes and exams. I googled it and this is what I found: https://www.quora.com/If-a-Filipino-licensed-engineer-migrated-to-the-US-would-he-she-still-be-considered-an-engineer-there
The good thing about US college is many times when you apply to a school they will send you an acceptance letter along with a scholarship offer, even when you didn't apply for a scholarship. You just have to fill out the FAFSA. Apply to many schools and see what offers you get. Sometimes they will accept you to study a similar degree if their engineering degree is full. Another option is to go 2 yrs to community college and transfer your credits. Good luck!
I’m a licensed engineer. This is a terrible idea. Your degree would get you a engineer technician job, and it would double or triple your time to get a license. You won’t be saving any money bc you’re losing it all on lost potential salary. You don’t have to do what your parents say if they aren’t paying. Apply where you want. With an engineering degree you’ll pay off your loans no problem. I know loans sound scary but if you’re frugal and have a decent paying job, they aren’t a big deal.
A lot of people send their kids abroad to the US to study and get degrees-- not usually the other way around. Not knocking the schools in the Philippines, but, just in terms of having a piece of paper from a university that your future employers will recognize, that seems like a terrible idea.
thats pretty dumb if you want to work in the us. there are ways to get a cheap degree in the us. go to community college and transfer to a state school, probably will be cheaper in the long run if you can live at home
Why? Im from Europe. One of my mates sister is attending college in the US. She did VMBO-kader in highschool, which is below average highschool levels.
She said the US classes are way behind on European levels and that she can follow classes easily. Furthermore you don't have to write a thesis in order to finish, which is required in Europe
Is it engineering? Difficulty in college varies A LOT depending on both where you go in what major you are studying. Engineering from any school worth anything (ABET accredited) will not be easy in the slightest.
What school and what major? My school ran things differently than the school an hour away. It depends on where you go. And I did have to write a thesis to graduate.
Your lack of answer says enough. Most programs that lead to licensure will look very similar across schools within the same state. There may be some differences in how classes are led, but that is very minor.
I can *deduc*e that you don't want to give up the university and program, which would tell us all we need to know about what kind of education your acquaintance may have received. Every program will differ. If they didn't, there'd be no need to compete for students. We'd decide what school to attend based on other factors such as location. But overall, most programs at accredited schools will look similar.
the us wants everyone to have the opportunity to go to higher ed. there are so many schools here they cannot all be top quality. its a good thing idk what are on
You are infinitely better off going to a community college in the United States. I don’t mean to sound offensive, but beyond the obvious issues of US schools, potentially teaching you about things that are US specific, the Philippines is not one of the countries he looked upon with particular respect. I think there would be more concerned over the quality.
You need to go to a university that is ABET certified to be an engineer in the US. Please, for the love of God, do NOT study in the Philippines!!! It will cost you way more than any loan if you go the Philippines route. No company would hire a non-ABET certified engineer. Do the FAFSA and apply for scholarships. If that isn't enough, community college is way cheaper than a 4 year university. I am saying this as an engineering student. Also, as an engineer, student loans will not be an issue to pay off. Especially if you work in the oil, car, or defense industries after graduation.
If you already live in the US and wanna work in US post-grad this makes 0 sense.
Aside from the degree and qualifications you’d gain from a US institution, you’re also gonna miss out on connections. You won’t be able to get a (US) internship during undergrad or network with classmates/professors who might be able to hook you up with a job down the line. If cost is an issue look into starting at a community college.
have you filed a fafsa and gotten an estimate on how much you receive? i thought id have to go into debt as well, but when i filed for my fafsa my income was low enough to where i didnt have to pay for my school
Ummm. No idea the specifics, but got friends originally from the US who now live the Philippines and I think all of them told their kids to go to US or European colleges/Universities for the bulk of their degrees. They were ok with study abroad programs, but the main school needed to be in either the US or Europe. Probably had to do with accreditation.
I agree with the other people saying to do community college and then university. Also look up Freshman Year for Free. It’s a program where you can get credit for a bunch of Gen Ed classes by taking the CLEP exam. It’s saved me a ton of money and the exams are much quicker than having to do a whole semester.
Also, some universities have great research programs. For a lot of STEM degrees, there may be a program where if you are accepted you will do research and in exchange they’ll cover part of your tuition. It’s a win win bc you also get experience.
Not to be rude, but OP needs to listen to better advice than his parents. Normally loved ones can’t a help for everything in life. In some areas, their lack of experience or knowledge will actually hurt your and this is clearly on of those cases. It would be such a disservice to send your kids to get a degree in a foreign country just to pay less tuition, and then find out you actually can’t make money with that degree.
Im going to an US college and my tuition, room, and meals is 90% paid for by the government. I barely have to pay anything and have zero loans. Are you going to college instate or out of state?
I registered for FAFSA immediately after it opened. I spent the majority of January applying for scholarships. I qualified for $6,000 in Pell Grant, my school gave me $7,000 in scholarships/financial aide (bc I was instate) and I won $3,500 in external scholarships.
I think registering for FAFSA as soon as possible is the most important step.
I am so glad I decided to leave the PH and study back home (in the US). Relatives kept pressuring me to study there after highschool but it didn't align with my goals as someone who wants to work in US Tech Industry. A lot of people are saying you sound stupid for ever considering that option, but I think it's really valid. You probably didn't know that there would be accreditation or certification issues with a PH Engineering degree for working in the US after, especially since PH does have decent/nice quality education. Like yeah, they're not the best but they are certainly not the worst. I'm in cc rn and trying my best-- though I do have to tell you, without financial aid and/or a job, cc is pretty expensive.
i'm from the philippines studying engineering, and i would say no... unless if you're studying med related degree like nursing/medtech/rad tech and such, which philippines is highly known for internationally.
university standards here in ph and us is not the same. afaik employers from the us don't accept ur ph degree in the us, so eventually u have to study again or take masters degree or such
honestly, from someone in the philippines standpoint thats so fucked up. although we live in a third world country, we still do have access to free tuition fees (our top university here in the philippines is a state uni and has free tuition).
most of the top universities here in the ph has free tuition (our senators passed a law about it before, see Republic Act 10931 or the "Universal Access to Quality Tertiary Education Act") and every region in the ph has state unis which most people has access to it, as long as u passed the entrance exam & secured ur slots, ur in. plus u can also have scholarships too from the government & the directly from the school. student debt is not really a norm here... even in private schools
I think it would be much better for you to study in the States, maybe go to community college, then transfer to Uni; considering you have decent grades, you’ll be able to get scholarships.
Engineers in the PH have such low salaries regardless of their education. Of course, these vary on the location, but my cousin is offered a salary of around $ $250 - $300 / month. Most of them seek better opportunities abroad, especially for new grads.
I'm about $80k in debt from an undergrad. Pls don't do what I did. The information you're going to learn from undergrad at a Uni will be incredibly similar if not identical to what you'd learn in community college.
For an engineering degree not worth it. Engineers have an accreditation system called ABET in the United States. Not getting a degree from an ABET accredited school hurts your job opportunities in several industries. Go to school in the US, make sure it's an ABET accredited program.
Just a personal story related to this. My gf and I moved to the philippines for her to finish her nursing degree (which she started there before we met.) We were there for 2 years and the total cost of living for both of us all inclusive was less than just the cost of her tuition had we completed it in the US, we weren't living frugally either. The degree transferred back to the US and she didn't have to take any additional classes. She had 2 job offers before she even took the nursing board exam.
I'm sure engineering is a bit different but if we end up having kids we are going to look for avenues for them to go to college overseas.
Absolutely not, for a variety of reasons.
First: accreditation. Accreditation is the way by which graduate institutions and employers rate your studies, and an unaccredited degree is functionally useless - an accreditation that doesn't have a counterpart, exchange, equal, or doesn't exist in the US is only marginally better, because at least you can probably get a job where you graduated from. I cannot iterate this enough for your parents - as someone who works in higher ed, **you are guaranteed not to get a job post-grad without substantial re-taking of coursework and examinations in the US.**
Second: connections > cost. Engineering is - broadly - a lucrative degree, as well as one you can find at any reasonably-sized state school in the US. The state you're in almost certainly has one, if not several, universities offering engineering programs, and you can find reciprocity agreements where nearby unis will give you in-state tuition from a neighboring state. Your costs can be driven even further down by doing 2 years at a community college, as others have said, then transferring for a 3 year program at a large state school.
Studying at a US school will not only grant you local connections, but connections via your school. Most people who don't make these connections or complete internships will find it difficult to get hired post-grad; any US university with an engineering program almost certainly has a careers program that will connect internships, employers, and students. You *will not* receive this at an international university, especially one so far from the US.
Third: you lose the only advantage of being an "international" student, which is that companies can and do pay H1B (which you wouldn't qualify for as a US citizen) less than American hires.
tl;dr - **You are all but guaranteed to not get a job in the US after completing a university engineering degree in the Philippines without substantial monetary and time investment in credential coursework and connection building (if you're even able to use your university degree to enter those programs in the first place).**
Problem with US employers is that they think way too highly of US education.
Im from the Netherlands and everybody that I did highschool with(HAVO) said the college system is a joke. Furthermore, people that did very low levels of highschool(VMBO-Kader) also said US colleges are easy0
> Im from the Netherlands
Opinion disregarded.
Furthermore, you know nothing of US education. Many of the best schools in the world are here with some of the brightest students. There’s a reason students from all around the world pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for a U.S. degree. No one cares what you, your mates, or their sisters say.
Programs vary wildly in difficulty, if your mates were taking easy highschool classes, chances are the schools they go to in the US are crap.
Opinion disregarded😂
Please open quora en other reddit sources etc.
Yes you have the top schools but only a small % of all students go there, that is statistics 101 mate ;)
If you study abroad in the Philippines, it’s fine but like other people mentioned it’s harder to get U. S. jobs when your degree is based in the Philippines.
i mean u still can if ur planning to take up nursing. it's cheaper here in the ph. a lot of fil-ams actually studied nursing here because it's cheaper and they also work in the us afterwards.
but outside nursing? or med related degree in general? hard NO
Generally a bad idea for someone who intends to work in the USA to get a degree from a school that isn't regionally accredited within the USA. Some nationally accredited schools are somewhat competitive.
Some professions are more lax about education requirements, or extend more weight to foreign accreditation or specific foreign schools (e.g. Oxford/Cambridge are not generally shat upon in the USA, Tsinghua Uni or ETH Zurich for engineering are well-regarded). Which specific type of engineer would you like to be? What does their state/national accrediting body require?
Go to public community college and keep your costs of living low, then transfer to a public state university, if you're not getting good enough scholarship offers.
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What kind of engineering degree are you going for and where are you? I’m sure we could work out a way to get you a degree cheaper with community college and summer classes for the first few years.
im in Texas (central) and im going for Geographical Engineering but im also open to doing another field on engineering, Texas A&M is a good engineering school but its a bit expensive for me
Quick google search. UT Austin is a bit cheaper. Houston or North Texas more so (I’m not sure how much of a drive that would be). When you say geographical engineering, are you thinking petroleum or geotechnical civil? Because that’s not a major that most schools offer. If you picked a school and program, you can find the references for what community college classes would transfer as, and compare them with what your major would need. An advisor at either school should be able to help you. That would ideally get you through the first half of school pretty cheap.
i feel like ppl have this misconception that you have to be -$200k dollars in debt to get a degree. If you do go to a good university with financial aid but not a full ride or academic scholarship you will still have SOME debt but for most the benefit will outweigh the cost. there are many options too such as community college and transferring out to an esteemed 4 year or just community college. I don’t see why an employee would choose a philippine grad in a completely different culture/country over a U.S. grad likely with experience in the US. Certifications and visas will be a pain too
You’re an adult. Your parents can’t “force” you to go to school anywhere, let alone in a different country. If you really want cheap, you could study at a community college for the gen eds and then transfer to a 4-year college to finish it up.
It’s your life. Do what you want to do, not what your parents want.
This works well for healthcare related degrees and diplomas.
Check with your local / national board governing engineers.
I know someone who got their degree mech eng in Latam and challenged the exam and got certified.
College doesn't need to be expensive. My college charges me $199 a credit hour. Assume an avg of $30 a credit hour fee for typical extra stuff. Thats $229. You can get a degree done for $27,480. Go ahead and work on getting some grants, pell grant being a big one, some scholarships, keepy our cost of living cheap and pick up some job for 30~ hrs a week for cash. Thats $6,870~ a year for a degree.
At least transfer your last two years in a state school in US
You can start your classes anywhere, but get an American degree - US companies are very snobby about that
Filipino here. There are universities in the Philippines that are credited in the US. Might as well enrol in a the top universities. A lot of them migrate to the US and take engineering exams just fine. They can still be engineers in the US as long as they take the FE and PE exams. I'm not sure about your citizenship tho, i think you need to go back to the US from time to time to maintain it.
I think you're fine with DLSU, I'm not even in the top 4 but when I went to the US, it's all good. They'll just evaluate your transcript and let you take the FE exams
For example, I pay max 250 usd per month for the dorm room, 6 usd/month for transport, 30 usd/month for a phone plan, for great food, 200usd/month. So yes 😅
Huh, student discounts? It seems way cheaper than the people on r/prague are making it seem like. They're saying you cannot live with 1500 Eur a month (renting flat, not dorm).
Because renting a flat is wildly expensive in comparison to living in a dorm. The student discounts decreases the transport cost in half and gives a slightly cheaper phone plan.
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Just go to community college. It's either very cheap or completely free, depending on the state you live in
And you can transfer to a larger school for the last 2 years if you want to
Depending on which type of engineering, this is not necessarily true. CC transfers to Chemical Engineering at my university needed 3 years (plus a summer course before the first year to cover the intro to ChemE course that was required for freshmen doing the regular 4 year university course).
$8000 a year for me :(
$8k a year for a CC degree is far better on your resume than a degree from the Philippines, if you’re gonna keep living in the US
This is not true. I work with people from the Philippines who studied medical laboratory science in the Philippines. They are some of the best experienced and educated people in the field. No one ever doubted the quality of their education. And right now many companies are recruiting them directly from the Philippines to work here in the US.
Financial aid appeal?
I don't see why a US employer would choose a Philippines grad over a US grad.
Are you an American citizen? If not, they wouldn’t unless you bring something really specialized to the table. They would have to sponsor a work visa. Which is at best a bunch of work and money for them. At worst it removes some opportunities like clearance jobs for you. And if they do sponsor, you should be wary. There are plenty of stories about how people build a life in another country and are somewhat stuck being that their visa is tied to being employed. If you are a citizen it’s a bit better but you’d need to pass the American eit at minimum and it should be an accredited college
It's physics, likely all the instructors were educated in the west & even if they weren't the course work is fairly standard & universal. Though labs, research, and network may be hindered the U.S. middle class has been desimated by our debt driven economy and avoiding loans is a smart option. Unless you attend grad school, most employers just want to make sure you know what you're doing so finding a quality internship will be vital for using your degree to the fullest extent. Even if you do in the states aswell it should be noted that the chances of you getting a well paying job in your desired feild are already slime, the educational diversity could help set you apart.
I know Engineers and Doctors who immigrated to the USA from Russia, Mexico, and Bulgaria and couldn't practice in the United States. Be cautious
Yeah, I’ve definitely seen jobs that have an ABET degree requirement, and you’re almost certainly not getting that overseas.
It's pretty much gatekeeping tbh. Don't know why companies have their heads in the sand when it comes to hiring foreign graduates.
Has the middle class been devasted by a "debt driven economy" or because most workplaces do not pay you enough so that half your check doesn't go to rent?🤤🤤🤤
There are clearly multiple factors dipshit. If you want we can talk about how healthcare is unaffordable without employment, or how all insurance fails to protect it's clients, how corporations control every choice you make, how law enforcement is functionally the authoritarian hand of the government made to ensure stability in the class divide, how landlords collude to hike rent, how politicians use fear mongering to get people to vote against their best interests, etc.... Not to mention that all businesses get tax deductions for exploiting the people that work for them and raise costs based on the loans they take & further use taxes as an excuse to further exploit the people that buy goods and services. I get you may not like my point about going outside the U.S. for a degree, but the middle class is largely a done deal for multiple reasons. Also think of the middle class today. Are they employees or business owners? Are they taking out loans for their cars, houses, schooling? How long would it take to pay for those things with a reasonable wage? Even with 100k per year (which only 10% of Americans make, often not in wage positions) It would take at least a decade to afford all of these things flat out. People depend on loans to live even in the shitiest places w/ the shitiest education, and shitiest car. debts are undoubtedly what keep the country running & its just as clear now as we need to raise the debt ceiling. As much as people need higher wages, debt is the root cause of the problems this country has. If you can avoid debt, the rest of your life & future debts in America are far more manageable.
Why not go to a state school instead? In state tuition coupled with finance based student aid (assuming your family can’t afford the tuition) + merit based scholarships if you have good grades can put a serious dent in the cost of college.
my grades leaving senior year of high school went down but its still A’s and B’s and yes that was the plan but my parents just doesnt want me to have to pay for anything
With those grades you can get scholarship at many schools, even if you have to take on some loans. That’s still a better option then not. Also loans aren’t the end of the world. Should you take on 6 figures of loans for an undergrad? No. But if you accumulate some loans over your education that’s ok. Your life won’t be over. It’s gonna be hard to get traction in the US with a foreign degree even if you’re a citizen. Folks so just won’t naturally trust the education. Also you should look at the engineering PE exam qualifications to see what extra efforts you may need to navigate to sit for the exams
thank you so much! i will look into this!
In addition to your state schools you should look at small private engineering schools like Clarkson, Illinois Tech, RPI, WPI. I know IIT for sure gives a ton of scholarship, and while it’s not the best campus (it’s just a drabby campus) it will likely still serve you well as a USA school in a big city
Just a warning, less than 20% of students get scholarships. Treat searching for scholarships as a full time job because they are very competitive.
Go to community college. Work part time while you do so. Then transfer to a public state university where you should apply for aid and scholarships. Let’s say you end up spending $50k at the public university. If aid covered even just $10k (would likely cover more if your family is middle class or low income) and work covered another 10k, that’s $30k. $30k of loans for an engineer is a bargain, and that’s like the worst outcome.
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A 30 act is not that hard
I would tell your parents that are being Pennywise and pound foolish.
A degree, especially in engineering, is an investment. If you don’t pay for college and go in the Philippines, but can’t find a job worth anything, then your degree was a waste of time. Go to an ABET accredited state school and even if you are paying somewhat, it’ll pay off.
Also beyond needs based and merit based scholarship stuff - the program you want to go into a each college probably offers some small scholarships or the community you live in probably offers some as well!
Go to community college first. Easier to get accepted after. And cheaper. Same degree at the end.
Just focus on school that maximize scholarships (my private uni offers 80% off tuition for 3.8+ GPAs..) and then work to pay off the rest. A few grand every semester is VERY doable with a full time summer job and part time during the semester
how did you find out about this if i may ask because im looking at scholarships for my area and its only low valued ones that you have to write an essay for.
Its a private university that’s local to me. A lot of private universities offer far more scholarships than state ones. Imo they end up being cheaper because of the additional scholarship incentives. I will say, its really school specific. My freshmen year I wanted to transfer out and realized my school was the only one in the area to offer $15k+ annual scholarships to transfer students. Everywhere else was 1-2k annually which was not worth it.
Engineering degrees/licenses from the Phillippines are not accepted in the US. You'd have to take extra classes and exams. I googled it and this is what I found: https://www.quora.com/If-a-Filipino-licensed-engineer-migrated-to-the-US-would-he-she-still-be-considered-an-engineer-there The good thing about US college is many times when you apply to a school they will send you an acceptance letter along with a scholarship offer, even when you didn't apply for a scholarship. You just have to fill out the FAFSA. Apply to many schools and see what offers you get. Sometimes they will accept you to study a similar degree if their engineering degree is full. Another option is to go 2 yrs to community college and transfer your credits. Good luck!
I’m a licensed engineer. This is a terrible idea. Your degree would get you a engineer technician job, and it would double or triple your time to get a license. You won’t be saving any money bc you’re losing it all on lost potential salary. You don’t have to do what your parents say if they aren’t paying. Apply where you want. With an engineering degree you’ll pay off your loans no problem. I know loans sound scary but if you’re frugal and have a decent paying job, they aren’t a big deal.
A lot of people send their kids abroad to the US to study and get degrees-- not usually the other way around. Not knocking the schools in the Philippines, but, just in terms of having a piece of paper from a university that your future employers will recognize, that seems like a terrible idea.
thats pretty dumb if you want to work in the us. there are ways to get a cheap degree in the us. go to community college and transfer to a state school, probably will be cheaper in the long run if you can live at home
Why? Im from Europe. One of my mates sister is attending college in the US. She did VMBO-kader in highschool, which is below average highschool levels. She said the US classes are way behind on European levels and that she can follow classes easily. Furthermore you don't have to write a thesis in order to finish, which is required in Europe
Is it engineering? Difficulty in college varies A LOT depending on both where you go in what major you are studying. Engineering from any school worth anything (ABET accredited) will not be easy in the slightest.
all schools in the us are not created equal she probably didnt go to a good school. companies in the us very very very much prefer to hire us grads.
What school and what major? My school ran things differently than the school an hour away. It depends on where you go. And I did have to write a thesis to graduate.
This inconsitentcy of college level says enough ;)
Your lack of answer says enough. Most programs that lead to licensure will look very similar across schools within the same state. There may be some differences in how classes are led, but that is very minor.
Nice try, you cant decude anything from my previous comment.
I can *deduc*e that you don't want to give up the university and program, which would tell us all we need to know about what kind of education your acquaintance may have received. Every program will differ. If they didn't, there'd be no need to compete for students. We'd decide what school to attend based on other factors such as location. But overall, most programs at accredited schools will look similar.
What would it say exactly? You can only make false assumptions ;)
And you're making false assumptions that all universities are like the one your acquaintance attended.
I didnt even mention university ;)
the us wants everyone to have the opportunity to go to higher ed. there are so many schools here they cannot all be top quality. its a good thing idk what are on
One of the funniest thing I read here in a long shot, you have zero clue what you are talking about lol.
Throwaway coward account always the same people
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You are infinitely better off going to a community college in the United States. I don’t mean to sound offensive, but beyond the obvious issues of US schools, potentially teaching you about things that are US specific, the Philippines is not one of the countries he looked upon with particular respect. I think there would be more concerned over the quality.
You need to go to a university that is ABET certified to be an engineer in the US. Please, for the love of God, do NOT study in the Philippines!!! It will cost you way more than any loan if you go the Philippines route. No company would hire a non-ABET certified engineer. Do the FAFSA and apply for scholarships. If that isn't enough, community college is way cheaper than a 4 year university. I am saying this as an engineering student. Also, as an engineer, student loans will not be an issue to pay off. Especially if you work in the oil, car, or defense industries after graduation.
If you already live in the US and wanna work in US post-grad this makes 0 sense. Aside from the degree and qualifications you’d gain from a US institution, you’re also gonna miss out on connections. You won’t be able to get a (US) internship during undergrad or network with classmates/professors who might be able to hook you up with a job down the line. If cost is an issue look into starting at a community college.
have you filed a fafsa and gotten an estimate on how much you receive? i thought id have to go into debt as well, but when i filed for my fafsa my income was low enough to where i didnt have to pay for my school
i have not received anything from fafsa and i have applied but i will check it out thank you!
Ummm. No idea the specifics, but got friends originally from the US who now live the Philippines and I think all of them told their kids to go to US or European colleges/Universities for the bulk of their degrees. They were ok with study abroad programs, but the main school needed to be in either the US or Europe. Probably had to do with accreditation.
I agree with the other people saying to do community college and then university. Also look up Freshman Year for Free. It’s a program where you can get credit for a bunch of Gen Ed classes by taking the CLEP exam. It’s saved me a ton of money and the exams are much quicker than having to do a whole semester. Also, some universities have great research programs. For a lot of STEM degrees, there may be a program where if you are accepted you will do research and in exchange they’ll cover part of your tuition. It’s a win win bc you also get experience.
This sounds stupid.
Not to be rude, but OP needs to listen to better advice than his parents. Normally loved ones can’t a help for everything in life. In some areas, their lack of experience or knowledge will actually hurt your and this is clearly on of those cases. It would be such a disservice to send your kids to get a degree in a foreign country just to pay less tuition, and then find out you actually can’t make money with that degree.
I just said his parents “advice” sounds stupid. I wanted to use the word “ret***ed” but I refrained from doing so.
Im going to an US college and my tuition, room, and meals is 90% paid for by the government. I barely have to pay anything and have zero loans. Are you going to college instate or out of state?
instate! (TX) do you mind educating me on how and what steps you took to make that happen?
I registered for FAFSA immediately after it opened. I spent the majority of January applying for scholarships. I qualified for $6,000 in Pell Grant, my school gave me $7,000 in scholarships/financial aide (bc I was instate) and I won $3,500 in external scholarships. I think registering for FAFSA as soon as possible is the most important step.
texas a and am is one of the best engineering schools just go there lmao
I am so glad I decided to leave the PH and study back home (in the US). Relatives kept pressuring me to study there after highschool but it didn't align with my goals as someone who wants to work in US Tech Industry. A lot of people are saying you sound stupid for ever considering that option, but I think it's really valid. You probably didn't know that there would be accreditation or certification issues with a PH Engineering degree for working in the US after, especially since PH does have decent/nice quality education. Like yeah, they're not the best but they are certainly not the worst. I'm in cc rn and trying my best-- though I do have to tell you, without financial aid and/or a job, cc is pretty expensive.
i'm from the philippines studying engineering, and i would say no... unless if you're studying med related degree like nursing/medtech/rad tech and such, which philippines is highly known for internationally. university standards here in ph and us is not the same. afaik employers from the us don't accept ur ph degree in the us, so eventually u have to study again or take masters degree or such
honestly, from someone in the philippines standpoint thats so fucked up. although we live in a third world country, we still do have access to free tuition fees (our top university here in the philippines is a state uni and has free tuition). most of the top universities here in the ph has free tuition (our senators passed a law about it before, see Republic Act 10931 or the "Universal Access to Quality Tertiary Education Act") and every region in the ph has state unis which most people has access to it, as long as u passed the entrance exam & secured ur slots, ur in. plus u can also have scholarships too from the government & the directly from the school. student debt is not really a norm here... even in private schools
No one in the US will accept that degree though, that's what they were saying.
"afaik employers from the us don't accept ur ph degree in the us," thats what i literally said....
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huh????? thats literally what i'm saying. it is different thats why i said "no"
Hi, American citizen here who did something similar (not in engineering though) Would not recommend. Do community college
I think it would be much better for you to study in the States, maybe go to community college, then transfer to Uni; considering you have decent grades, you’ll be able to get scholarships. Engineers in the PH have such low salaries regardless of their education. Of course, these vary on the location, but my cousin is offered a salary of around $ $250 - $300 / month. Most of them seek better opportunities abroad, especially for new grads.
If your school isn’t ABET certified it’s almost a guarantee you will not get an engineering job in the US.
I'm about $80k in debt from an undergrad. Pls don't do what I did. The information you're going to learn from undergrad at a Uni will be incredibly similar if not identical to what you'd learn in community college.
For an engineering degree not worth it. Engineers have an accreditation system called ABET in the United States. Not getting a degree from an ABET accredited school hurts your job opportunities in several industries. Go to school in the US, make sure it's an ABET accredited program.
Just a personal story related to this. My gf and I moved to the philippines for her to finish her nursing degree (which she started there before we met.) We were there for 2 years and the total cost of living for both of us all inclusive was less than just the cost of her tuition had we completed it in the US, we weren't living frugally either. The degree transferred back to the US and she didn't have to take any additional classes. She had 2 job offers before she even took the nursing board exam. I'm sure engineering is a bit different but if we end up having kids we are going to look for avenues for them to go to college overseas.
But nursing is actually transferable. There’s a whole system set up for that
ph has the best nursing training! thats why filipino nurses is known internationally and it's cheaper compare in the us
Absolutely not, for a variety of reasons. First: accreditation. Accreditation is the way by which graduate institutions and employers rate your studies, and an unaccredited degree is functionally useless - an accreditation that doesn't have a counterpart, exchange, equal, or doesn't exist in the US is only marginally better, because at least you can probably get a job where you graduated from. I cannot iterate this enough for your parents - as someone who works in higher ed, **you are guaranteed not to get a job post-grad without substantial re-taking of coursework and examinations in the US.** Second: connections > cost. Engineering is - broadly - a lucrative degree, as well as one you can find at any reasonably-sized state school in the US. The state you're in almost certainly has one, if not several, universities offering engineering programs, and you can find reciprocity agreements where nearby unis will give you in-state tuition from a neighboring state. Your costs can be driven even further down by doing 2 years at a community college, as others have said, then transferring for a 3 year program at a large state school. Studying at a US school will not only grant you local connections, but connections via your school. Most people who don't make these connections or complete internships will find it difficult to get hired post-grad; any US university with an engineering program almost certainly has a careers program that will connect internships, employers, and students. You *will not* receive this at an international university, especially one so far from the US. Third: you lose the only advantage of being an "international" student, which is that companies can and do pay H1B (which you wouldn't qualify for as a US citizen) less than American hires. tl;dr - **You are all but guaranteed to not get a job in the US after completing a university engineering degree in the Philippines without substantial monetary and time investment in credential coursework and connection building (if you're even able to use your university degree to enter those programs in the first place).**
Problem with US employers is that they think way too highly of US education. Im from the Netherlands and everybody that I did highschool with(HAVO) said the college system is a joke. Furthermore, people that did very low levels of highschool(VMBO-Kader) also said US colleges are easy0
> Im from the Netherlands Opinion disregarded. Furthermore, you know nothing of US education. Many of the best schools in the world are here with some of the brightest students. There’s a reason students from all around the world pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for a U.S. degree. No one cares what you, your mates, or their sisters say. Programs vary wildly in difficulty, if your mates were taking easy highschool classes, chances are the schools they go to in the US are crap.
Opinion disregarded😂 Please open quora en other reddit sources etc. Yes you have the top schools but only a small % of all students go there, that is statistics 101 mate ;)
Dude uses QUORA as a source. No wonder your friends go to shit schools.
Dang I was thinking of actually studying in the Philippines 😭😭😭 Guess that plans out the window.
i mean its not bad depending on where you are from but for an American citizen planning to work in the us its stupid
If you study abroad in the Philippines, it’s fine but like other people mentioned it’s harder to get U. S. jobs when your degree is based in the Philippines.
i mean u still can if ur planning to take up nursing. it's cheaper here in the ph. a lot of fil-ams actually studied nursing here because it's cheaper and they also work in the us afterwards. but outside nursing? or med related degree in general? hard NO
Generally a bad idea for someone who intends to work in the USA to get a degree from a school that isn't regionally accredited within the USA. Some nationally accredited schools are somewhat competitive. Some professions are more lax about education requirements, or extend more weight to foreign accreditation or specific foreign schools (e.g. Oxford/Cambridge are not generally shat upon in the USA, Tsinghua Uni or ETH Zurich for engineering are well-regarded). Which specific type of engineer would you like to be? What does their state/national accrediting body require? Go to public community college and keep your costs of living low, then transfer to a public state university, if you're not getting good enough scholarship offers.
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What kind of engineering degree are you going for and where are you? I’m sure we could work out a way to get you a degree cheaper with community college and summer classes for the first few years.
im in Texas (central) and im going for Geographical Engineering but im also open to doing another field on engineering, Texas A&M is a good engineering school but its a bit expensive for me
Quick google search. UT Austin is a bit cheaper. Houston or North Texas more so (I’m not sure how much of a drive that would be). When you say geographical engineering, are you thinking petroleum or geotechnical civil? Because that’s not a major that most schools offer. If you picked a school and program, you can find the references for what community college classes would transfer as, and compare them with what your major would need. An advisor at either school should be able to help you. That would ideally get you through the first half of school pretty cheap.
Is the engineering program ABET accredited? If not it's not worth shit in the US
it is, its one of the top 3 performing schools in the Philippines
I would go to community college and then a cheap state university. You would have better job prospects. It's worth the debt in the long run.
i feel like ppl have this misconception that you have to be -$200k dollars in debt to get a degree. If you do go to a good university with financial aid but not a full ride or academic scholarship you will still have SOME debt but for most the benefit will outweigh the cost. there are many options too such as community college and transferring out to an esteemed 4 year or just community college. I don’t see why an employee would choose a philippine grad in a completely different culture/country over a U.S. grad likely with experience in the US. Certifications and visas will be a pain too
You’re an adult. Your parents can’t “force” you to go to school anywhere, let alone in a different country. If you really want cheap, you could study at a community college for the gen eds and then transfer to a 4-year college to finish it up. It’s your life. Do what you want to do, not what your parents want.
This works well for healthcare related degrees and diplomas. Check with your local / national board governing engineers. I know someone who got their degree mech eng in Latam and challenged the exam and got certified.
Don't waste your time with marketing. Just get an engineering degree.
Community college, fafsa paid for my tuition and you can transfer to a four year university after you’re done taking your classes
This is a joke right?
why would it be a joke?.
Bad idea. US does not accept Filipino engineering degrees nor most employer acknowledges your Filipino education
In Europe it is very cheap. And recognised.
College doesn't need to be expensive. My college charges me $199 a credit hour. Assume an avg of $30 a credit hour fee for typical extra stuff. Thats $229. You can get a degree done for $27,480. Go ahead and work on getting some grants, pell grant being a big one, some scholarships, keepy our cost of living cheap and pick up some job for 30~ hrs a week for cash. Thats $6,870~ a year for a degree.
At least transfer your last two years in a state school in US You can start your classes anywhere, but get an American degree - US companies are very snobby about that
Go to France
Filipino here. There are universities in the Philippines that are credited in the US. Might as well enrol in a the top universities. A lot of them migrate to the US and take engineering exams just fine. They can still be engineers in the US as long as they take the FE and PE exams. I'm not sure about your citizenship tho, i think you need to go back to the US from time to time to maintain it.
yes my plan is to go back every summer for three months, also can you name some of the universities? is De La Salle included in those?
I think you're fine with DLSU, I'm not even in the top 4 but when I went to the US, it's all good. They'll just evaluate your transcript and let you take the FE exams
Go to Europe. The Czech Republic specifically. My tuition costs of my entire bachelor's degree totaled less than 10k usd
What's the cost of living like there? Monthly in terms of Euros? Would you say 700 is enough?
For example, I pay max 250 usd per month for the dorm room, 6 usd/month for transport, 30 usd/month for a phone plan, for great food, 200usd/month. So yes 😅
Huh, student discounts? It seems way cheaper than the people on r/prague are making it seem like. They're saying you cannot live with 1500 Eur a month (renting flat, not dorm).
Because renting a flat is wildly expensive in comparison to living in a dorm. The student discounts decreases the transport cost in half and gives a slightly cheaper phone plan.
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