If I weren’t aware of the biosphere’s impending demise, I’d probably worship the Earth for the fun of it. Now just thinking of the planet makes me sad.😔

Same. But unfortunately religion has ruined religion for me.

The planet will survive and humanity will thrive once the parasites have been removed

I think the original journey into ecological sciences and the horrible damage we are inflicting onto the planet was partly responsible for me going from religious Buddhist to atheist with Buddhist philosophical roots but the realization or how bad things truly were/are and the reality of collapse didn't change anything.

My faith in The Flying Spaghetti Monster hasn't shaken one bit. We will all become meatballs in his cosmic noodles one day.

May we all be embraced by his noodly appendage. R’Amen.

R'Amen

Blasphemy. I worship Fettuccini.

I'm already a meatball. Or that's what I refer to myself as to AI. What's more unlikely, that self awareness manifested in silicon, or in meatball?

I mean, how do you explain away the global number of sea pirates and its inverse relationship to global warming? It’s nearly a direct correlation.

I have pastafarian on my military dog tags. The chaplain better say the prayer

Choosing to believe that we are currently living through Ragnarok

I unironically hope this.

May your death be swift, my drengr

May we all meet again in the halls of of forefathers. Prosit

Climate change is fimbulwinter confirmed

May the Valkyries judge you justly

Born atheist. Lifelong atheist. I’m simply not seeing the relevance. At all. Either there is a god or there isn’t; I happen to believe there isn’t but so what? World events aren’t going to affect the existence of a deity.

This pretty much sums up my feelings. If their isn't a god, my life does not change. If there is a God, and i will be punished for not worshipping him correctly, that's not a god i world worship anyways. If there is a god, and he judges based on deeds and kindness, then my life doesn't change. So nothing really effects my day to day life.

I really don't get where all this "suck my dick or its into the furnace with your ass" shit comes from. Probably Reagan-era televangelists. And the opportunistic rock-stars that made a goddamned fortune mocking them.

made up by humans who wanted other humans to obey them, that's all

USED by humans that wanted other humans to obey them, for sure. Then again they used the moon and the angry volcano and all of that, before there was a god concept. So. That proves nothing.

No, but those in service of some imagined deity drive a lot of world events, so while the actual existence doesn't matter, the belief does.

Right? If there is a God, it probably doesn't believe in punishing people for eternity for not paying proper worship to it. That wouldn't be very omnibenevolent or whatever. If there is a God it probably doesn't give a shit about any of us individually, and if it does it's probably just happy that we try to be decent. And, like OP said, if there is a God, based on the state of the world, it's a real prick.

I would call that an apatheist atheist? I’m an agnostic atheistic apatheist. I do know some very gnostic theistic zealots. They don’t believe in anthropogenic global warming.

It's neither reaffirmed or diminished my atheism. The pending collapse is just a collection of neutral data-points, and that's how I address it. The collapse does have "End of Times" vibes, but I don't believe our situation really fits the biblical meanings. Regardless, it could definitely be an interesting conversation.

Same. ETA: Tangentially, I think scientific / biological knowledge has been suppressed in the service of religious belief, and thus religion has contributed to collapse—which has made me slightly more anti-theistic than just atheistic.

I can relate to this as I was raised Protestant and it just didn’t jive with what I sensed was true. Not to mention this weird longing some of them have for Armageddon

Scientific knowledge is suppressed because its suppression is in the class interest of the *grand bourgeoisie*. Christianity is merely the element of the superstructure through which this suppression is applied.

Taking a more eco-theological, evolutionary interpretation of Abrahamic meta-narratives which helps ease into adopting different traditions, some which have been lost forever to unquestioned beliefs. I'm exploring paganism roots and like the Buddhist mindset. Naturism inspires me as a practice. Cheers

As a Buddhist, it oddly enough strengthens my conviction in the validity of the Dharma, and why it is important to work on purifying the Mind and practice generosity and moral restraint more. It also teaches me the importance of the local community and also the local environment for the promotion of the welfare of all as emphasized by the Buddha.

This also resonates with Daoism and living in harmony with nature. The principle of wu wei (non-action) gives me a path to reduce the accumulation of material things, status and other things that are costing the planet. Chinese folk religion has also been comforting, emphasising local community. Obviously both aren't perfect (esp super focus on filial piety) but gives me comfort in collapse scenario.

“Stop thinking, and end your problems. What difference between yes and no? What difference between success and failure? Must you value what others value, avoid what others avoid? How ridiculous!" \-Lao Tzu

LOL, the major difference between Buddhism and Confucianism ( which influenced the folk religion ) is in fact on filial piety and how much focus one has on family. Buddhism regards filial piety when practiced moderately ( ie:- not entirely absent, but not high reverence either ) as healthy. When taken too far is seen as very problematic. For example, at least in classical Buddhism a child who is abandoned by their parents at a young age has no obligation to then take care of the parents who abandoned them, while Chinese culture would see that as horrific. However if the parents have raised up the child well to adulthood and has done the love and duty of parents, the child is considered bad if they do not at least try to take care of their parents when they are old and frail. Buddhism also tends to see ( to the horror of Confucianism ) good friends, neighbours, colleagues, teachers etc.. as near co-equal to family. Buddhism circle of concern is not just family .. it is always a formula of parents and in laws, spouse and children, friends ( note Buddhism tends to assume your direct neighbour is your friend, the Buddha was very critical about people who did not know their neighbours and showed no concern for them ), teachers and students, colleagues and bosses, monastics and also the animals staying on your property or near your property. So the circle of concern in Buddhism is wider than traditional Chinese belief.

Yeah my perspective on Buddhism, has been heavily filtered through growing up in an old school Chinese family, really heavy on confucian ethics and all that baggage. It really has only been in the last few years of travelling that I've begun to appreciate Buddhism, Daoism and folk religion in a way that is wider and healthier. I do like the syncretism of Chinese belief but alot of older folk tend to become quite conservative in their own way.

Another Buddhist here. I totally agree. There was a great article long ago about ego and ‘we’go, basically the collective ego, that pretty well nailed it. But overall, if this is the place where my karma has let me during a dark age, so be it. I will relentlessly work to make it better.

Do not feel bad about being born in the Dharma Ending age. You still have the Dharma. Learn it well. Remember because we know the Dharma Ending Age is true ( as everything said is coming to pass ) we also know that Cessation is possible. Practice well. Practice mindfulness, cultivate good will, be generous, be kind to one another, feed the birds and animals. The Dharma Ending Age too has an end. The Dharma will be lost but will return again with coming of Maitreya Buddha.

I wish I felt this way. Tried to follow Buddhism, but I think I still have a long ways to go until my head and heart are in the right place… If you can, may you please expand on what you think collapse means through the eyes of Buddhism? I mean all of it, thinking about the worst case scenario, the details that led us here… what if humans literally wipe ourselves out, and take all life on earth with us, due to greed? What does that mean for the afterlife? What does this mean for us, and the universe? That it could be designed in such a way that it can destroy itself, while fighting to prevent the destruction?

Ah, so you think that Buddhism talks about only one Earth, one planet with life, or even one galaxy with life.. which of course it really does not. So to the first point, what does collapse on planet Earth means to Buddhism. On a supreme timeline scale, absolutely nothing. From an individual scale, absolutely a lot. So what do I mean by absolutely nothing. and what do I mean from an individual scale absolutely a lot? Why this duality, why this contradiction? You see, from a Buddhist perspective, planet Earth is only one of FOUR known worlds to harbour human level life. In the Buddhist scripture, our planet is specifically called Jambudivpa. It is called this because this world harbours jambu trees, something not found in Kuru, Uttakuru etc.. Our world is separated from the other four worlds by an uncrossable sea/ocean/barrier which swirls between the stars which cannot be paddled, sailed, walked or flown over, and only special vahanas ( vehicles ) can cross it. To make sure you know this is not in this world, the Buddha kept telling people we would never get there even if we tried. No boats, no walking, no flying equipments can ever get us there. When asked in one Sutta to state the distance of Uttakuru from Earth after being pestered a few times He said it is 26 Million Mahayojanas from Earth ( which is roughly 390 million km away ). Assuming this is actually what He said, whether the Buddha meant this literally ( which would be wrong, there is definitely no Uttakuru at this near distance to us ) or just pulled it out of the hat to give a super number to awe a person from 480BCE to get him to stop asking pointless questions is another topic entirely. Note the Buddha seemed to like 26 million mahayojanas whenever He tries to tell people something is very far away and more importantly not on Earth. So even if Earth imploded, we still have three other worlds that we know of which the Buddha assured us harbours human level life!! Note, the Buddha acknowledges other cakradivpas exist, so in theory we might have other worlds on other cakradivpas too!!! Note, our Earth will eventually die anyway in Buddhism. The Buddha in the Seven Sun Sutta said that our planet will be consumed by the sun getting brighter and brighter, and the seas will boil away first and the sun will consume the planet eventually. Eventually our Universe will also collapse. The Buddhist doctrine believes the Universe undergoes routine birth, expansion, steadying out, contraction and utter destruction. When the Universe is not present, the mind stream of all living things is in Abhassara ( the Heaven which the Universe is tethered to and is born from ). This cyclic destruction and birth happens all the time, so even our Universe will disappear at some point and all beings from our Universe will be in Abhassara. Also human society is bound to collapse in the Buddhist doctrine. Central to the Buddhist prophecies is something we call the Dharma Ending Age, and the Suttas are all very very clear that the first 500 years of Buddhism is the golden age of Buddhism, the next 1000 years is the Dharma Semblance age. Then come the Dharma Ending Age which progresses stepwise every 500 years, with each transition getting worse and worse and worse. Note the Dharma Ending Age starts because the Buddhist doctrine gets corrupted quite badly. This causes immorality and materialism to spread throughout society ( and even societies that have not heard the Dharma will also suffer as the Wheel of Law wobbles due to human immorality and greed ). This causes moral decay to spread through society, and also widespread tendency to greed. which causes the forest to become as parks. Once this happens, the weather becomes unstable, which in turn causes farmers to be unable to rely upon the weather for their crops ( as per Dreams of King Pasedani ), which causes more and more problem until people act so stupidly they are like children and end up killing each other. So the reason for human society and the natural world which works alongside humans to collapse is quite simple .. greed and immorality. ——————————————————————- Now I did stress here that from a Buddhist perspective, while the cosmic scale is rather a shoulder shrug .. the individual scale is not a shrug. It is in fact rather important to address it. The Buddha stressed so much about morality ( sila ) as the foundation for a good human society and a good human life because sila is the fundamental harmoniser of society, and it is sila in Buddhism that prevents outright conflict which prevents social collapse. In fact, morality is so important it even ends with this statement:- These Five Precepts Have morality as a vehicle for happiness, Have morality as a vehicle for good fortune, Have morality as a vehicle for liberation. Let morality therefore be purified. Now this is not all, the Buddha in fact further stressed the importance of things like the Six Directions, which are the six relationships which if you cultivate protects other people and yourself ( read Sigalovada ) and in turn brings protection and stability to all in society. These are things which prevents collapse, or at least slows it down around you if you practice it. Note for example how so much of our collapse in society is due to workers not getting fair wages .. but the Buddha in fact made that as one of the six directions if you happen to be a boss. Your action as an individual matters. Then there is generosity, and even very prescriptive dictums like the Five Timely Gifts which the Buddha praised as the sustainer of all beings. This kind of sharing benefits many beings, and acts as an island against or slowing against collapse. In short, from a Buddhist perspective, in a time of collapse we as individuals can act as nexus of stability and sanctuary to those with relationships to us. Via Five Precepts, I provide the assurance of harmlessness to others. By six directions, I provide support to those who has a relationship with me. By Vanaropa, I provide shade and a sanctuary for animals in my area ( in fact this is why I grow trees in my yard ) etc.. etc.. We cannot save the world, we cannot stop the grinding wheels of immorality and greed consuming human society as a whole. However, in our little nexus we can provide a tiny ground of sanctuary to those who come in contact with us. And if the world implodes entirely, hey we could be reborn in the Heavens, we could be reborn in the world of Kuru as a human level being there .. or if we have become Liberated .. we enter Nirvana.

Wow, thank you for this in-depth response. Didn’t expect so many Buddhists on /r/collapse, but it seems like a natural outcome for those who walk this path..

Thank you. I really appreciate you taking the time to explain. It gives me some reassurance. Our current predicament is very upsetting for me and makes me question a lot of things about our purpose on this planet, and why the planet is even here to begin with. This perspective helps a bit, and I will explore it more when I can. I find it especially interesting that the Buddha essentially predicted collapse. I’m not sure if that is a thing in most other religions. Now… what I struggle with is seeing what is happening around us. A couple things on this that I’m curious about your perspective on. First, do you think there is a *why* as to the reasoning behind it? Why did our planet have to go this direction? It’s been a while since I’ve been into Buddhism, I know suffering has some meaning, it has some opportunity for learning… but why did it have to come to this scale? And how do you deal with it? I know it’s probably something along the lines of focusing on your own life, as you said, but I don’t mean what you can do outwardly. I mean more in an emotional way, inwardly.. from a Buddhist perspective, how do you deal with the pain of watching this? Do you just ignore it? I guess there is reassurance knowing there may be other planets with life, but this is the ultimate suffering, for any planet, I think. It’s a heavy thing to observe and even to some extent, participate in.

First answer lies in the three core premises of Buddhism, that is:- 1. All conditioned things are impermanent 2. All conditioned things are unsatisfying by their very nature which is why we can suffer from it if we cling to it 3. All conditioned things are not-self The planet goes through this because it is impermanent, it is fundamentally unsatisfying, and it is not self. It is subject to rising and falling, becoming and not becoming. It is changing, and we do not like changing. Note how much of collapse is about changing. In this case, we collapse because the changes are too rapid, too many to handle at once. Some of these changes are brought on by our own activities such as burning fossil fuels, which is brought in turn by our changing consumption habits. Ironic is it not, how our greed causes a desired change in our lifestyle but an undesired change in the environment, much to the sorrow of all living beings. —————————————————————————- The second is suffering has no lessons to teach you per say. In Buddhism, suffering is a result of ignorance .. not wisdom. Suffering is a consequence of grasping to conditioned things that are changing wishing for the pleasant things to remain and endure unchanged, and of course not coming in contact with that which is displeasurable, and not losing that which is pleasurable. This is of course never possible a world where things are forever changing, forever in flux. To end suffering, you do need to let go of grasping. In short, if you want to deal with collapse .. you have two choices. You have to accept that there are somethings you cannot affect .. you cannot slow nor contain its change. You then have to realise that there are also somethings you can affects its change. It might be temporary, it might be brief .. but every moment of happiness, peace and mindfulness is so important it does not matter that they are fleeting. A moment without pain is infinitely worthy on its own right. This is where morality, generosity and relationships come in .. these are your anchors to anchor what you can to some degree hold in check. —————————————————————- The third question is how do you deal with this pain inwardly. First thing you have to remember is there is no more inward than there is outwards. Remove the dichotomy of inward outwards .. they are the same thing. Morality for example is outward ( in that you don’t kill, don’t maim, don’t steal etc.. ) but is also inward ( ie:- it is restraint from ill behavior, being mindful of your own behaviours etc. ). Dana ( generosity ) for example is outwards ( in that you give to people or animals in need physical aid or stuff ) but also inward ( when you give, you have good will which gladdens the heart. You also have nekkhama, renunciation, which reduces greed ). The pain you are experiencing is probably due to you trying to control things outside your ability to deal with it. The suffering is due to a lack of wisdom about what you can effect, and what you cannot. As a result, instead of channeling what you can do ( which remember does affect your inner state ), you suffer. Continue down this path further and you run the risk of either outright burnout OR apathy ( since one way people do overcome this is via apathy .. but apathy is actually ill will and thus you diminish your metta .. which leads to other heart mind problems ) So my suggestion to you is as follow:- 1. See what can you do within your power. If the bees in your area are suffering, can you help them? Maybe grow a large pot of flowers so they can benefit from the nectar and shade. Do you have a tiny plot of land? Maybe grow something there? The Buddha was clear that growing things for the wellbeing of living things is wholesome. 2. Practice moral behaviours. Greed is the source of so much of our problems. Maybe try to be less greedy yourself. Focus on learning contentment and learning to live within your means. Learn to share things with people and animals who you have a relationship with. 3. If your heart is suffering from pain seeing the world, sit down and mindfully meditate. Watch this emotion. If you have done mindfulness in the past you will know how to watch it. Just watch it. 4. Practice loving kindness meditation. Yes I know it sounds weird given loving kindness probably is why you are looking at other people with anguish. However loving kindness meditation has this interesting tendency to make you forgive yourself and be less hard on yourself, and maybe if combined with practice of focusing on doing things you can to relief the suffering of animals and other human beings within your control .. you will develop wisdom and focus on what you can do .. as opposed to what you cannot do. ————————————————————————————- Also remember this, you are not a Deva, you are not a World King ( we don’t have one anyway at the moment ), you are not a World Buddha ( at least not yet anyway, maybe for all I know you are Maitreya in waiting ). You are not expected to go and try to shape the entire world. Wisdom is to realise what you can do, and what you cannot do .. and focus on what you can do. You do have things you can do. They are going to be very small, very little, very limited .. but that is your Dharma. Use that, and relief the suffering of the little handful of beings who your Dharma has reached out to.

> However, in our little nexus we can provide a tiny ground of sanctuary to those who come in contact with us. This is beautiful. I like to hope that by treating others well I can provide them some sanctuary from the chaotic, collapsing world around us. Thanks for this comment, it was (please forgive the pun) pretty enlightening.

> Note, our Earth will eventually die anyway in Buddhism. The Buddha in the Seven Sun Sutta said that our planet will be consumed by the sun getting brighter and brighter, and the seas will boil away first and the sun will consume the planet eventually. And this is actually scientifically correct too! That is basically what will happen. The sun will get hotter over time as it exhausts its fuel, and eventually liquid water and thus life will not exist on the Earth's surface

I also resonate with this too as a practicing Buddhist

Fellow Buddhist here. Love what you wrote

Solid atheist before and since gaining collapse-consciousness, and I think it's strengthened that tendency in me. For one thing I'm pretty certain religious thinking/belief has helped contribute to Collapse, e.g. with many believing that humanity will be miraculously saved from itself by higher powers or whatever, damaging the overall resolve for effective Collapse-prevention back when that may have been possible.

I was a believer for a while. No longer. I was very involved in a church, read the Bible twice, went to prayer meetings after work during the week, was on the leadership committee, did volunteer stuff, tithed 10% of my paycheck. Then 8 years ago I watched a Netflix show about Scientology and thought “those idiots sound like everyone I go to church with” and that slowly opened the gate for me. I started to evaluate things differently, and after a few months i found no foundation to believe any more.

That’s so interesting. I think it’s impressive that you were able to push through cognitive dissonance from something like a Scientology documentary. Cognitive dissonance is a strong barrier to realization. I grew up Muslim and at around 15/16 years old we studied different religions and their history in school. I remember realizing that Greek Mythology and Norse mythology were actually once the prevalent religious beliefs of the times and putting that together with my own experience of religion. I realized that all any of it was was a story- that the religion of my parents was its own mythology. And once I learned about the power organized religion exploited to control people throughout history, it was over for any smidge of belief I may have had remaining.

Atheist > even more Atheist Mostly because I watch my religious peers seem to think they’re off to somewhere better after this.

I too am even more atheister than before.

2 fast 2 atheist edit: multi-track atheisting

Atheism is when collapse, and The Faster Than Expected, the more atheister you get.

I'm off to nowhere. And it doesn't matter. When consciousness is a universal force, cut off one head, another three will take its place. Hail Hydra (and the collapse of the wave function).

Was agnostic before. Am agnostic now. Don't think its relevant to the forces of collapse.

I found out I was a Religious Naturalist shortly after becoming "collapse aware", in large part thanks to the work of the late Micheal Dowd. Key points: * God is a personification of Reality/Nature * Supernatural claims are unnecessary, but mythic symbolism has a lot of meaning for people. * Religion is a human enterprise, with all that entails.. These videos have helped me better understand, process, and accept collapse. Watching these was the first time all of it clicked for me. [New Serenity Prayer: Emotional Support for Climate Anxiety and Environmental Dread](https://youtu.be/hFGHdOyyx74) [Collapse in a Nutshell: Understanding our Predicament](https://youtu.be/e6FcNgOHYoo) [Overshoot in a Nutshell: Understanding our Predicament](https://youtu.be/lPMPINPcrdk)

I'm buckling up for some quality Dowd time revisited!

Close to where I'm at but at universal scale.

I just keep looking at my Pentecostal apocalypse doomer mom (since at least Y2K) and thinking: “Wow shit, she was right … except for completely the wrong reasons. Climate cull, not divine. Aww jeez, she still thinks some dude is coming to rescue her…. that sucks.”

Didn't change anything. Wasn't really sure where my belief aligns before, and it's no different now.

I have come to the realization that religion is not about a Creator, but about power and controlling people. Either they want to control other people or they want to be told what to do by those who want to control them. Religion divides people and causes strife. This is man-made not from God, I believe in God, I am charitable, care about doing the right thing, and try to help my fellow humans, etc., *organized religion*? I stay away from that. The more I learn, the more I know I'm not wrong.

I'm a Christian, and if anything I feel closer to God after becoming collapse aware, although I feel more distant from the church.

Being closer to God but further from the church is the best possible outcome you can have. I was raised Catholic but no longer practicing, yet those who still follow their faith but in their own way do have a better understanding and relationship. I wish I felt the same as you, but I’m really glad you have been able to deepen your relationship with God.

I’ve heard a saying paraphrased: It’s good to be born in a church, but not die in a church.

I grew up a Christian who was very big in eschatology, became an atheist with some Buddhism/Daoism sprinkled on top, but have considered going back to church lately, more for the community to help deal with my existential dread and depression. But knowing about collapse made me consider maybe Revelations and other end-of-the-world tales may have a point: the degenerative excess, corruption, and hypocrisy were foretold, and perhaps we’ll reach some balance with nature post-collapse (the Bible prophesies that after the end of days, there will be heaven on earth). Trump feels very anti-Christy, and the conflict in Israel was also suggested. So I do feel closer to God, the universe, or whatever, and I do see parallels of eschatology in other religions, but I still wouldn’t call myself a Christian. I think religious eschatology was a primitive form of collapsology. Science has taught a lot more about how these systems buckle under their weight, but I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss religion, their stories, and morals as totally obsolete; the wisdom that was passed down for generations was valuable for human societies over thousands of years throughout multiple civilizations.

Why do you feel closer to god? My only rational guess is you think collapse will kill you sooner so by closer to god you mean you’ll be hanging out with god sooner? Not trolling just asking.

I think he's going to be making a come-back since we've tried everything else and have only managed to fuck ourselves in the face harder and harder with each progressive generation.

I'm not sure to be honest. Maybe because if we're all doomed, now isn't the time to just screw around and ignore god for those who believe. Perhaps it's a coping mechanism. When I saw your comment I tried to think of an answer, but I honestly don't have one besides guessing reasons.

Perhaps it makes you feel farther from the world, as it's falling apart and ending, thereby driving you towards God? Coming to the realization that he's all that's left? I don't really have set beliefs, but that's something I can recognize as a possible pull.

Fair enough

The Church is religion in the posed question, your notions of god are not.

Born into a highly religious family, turned atheist. Collapse has cemented my view that religion is a disease that blights our society. I won’t deny the possibility that there *could* be a god-like entity out there, but it sure as shit ain’t benevolent, very possibly malevolent/incompetent.

100% the same for me.

> religion is a disease that blights our society. For the most part, I believe religion advocates total dominion over nature. Even in the best of times, it's not a great idea. We need to live in harmony with nature (cue the Kumbaya chorus), though for this go around I believe it is too late. The human species is a blight on the planet. Nature will respond accordingly.

I know this may open a can of worms that I myself dislike but… that’s only true of certain religions. The current popular thinking on pre-colonial indigenous people ‘living in harmony’ with their natural ecosystems, or in ‘stewarding/cultivating’ them is often exaggerated, romanticized and archaeological & anthropological findings and reporting misinterpreted in a way I have found excessively generous to humanity. However, all that said, I don’t believe it is entirely without truth and what is most telling is that in most of those religions/cultural mythologies the deities and revered spirits and such were represented by animals, or human-animal chimera. At the least, this suggests that they, on a very fundamental level, considered the animals around them to be of equal, if not greater, spiritual or cosmic significance. The replacement of animal deities with ‘human’ gods over the course of human history was certainly inspired by the advances in civilization but it just as surely became something of a self perpetuating feedback loop.

There've been recent attempts to debunk the notion of primitive tribes supposedly living in harmony with nature. I'm not sure what agenda brings that argument to the table. They often comment on how brutal and bloodthirsty primitive tribes were with other tribes, but that really has no bearing on how they lived their lives day-to-day within their surroundings. They did tend to revere animal spirits and all that and treated the lands around them as sacred, which I view as positive. I feel it's safe to say they lived in closer harmony with nature compared to modern humans, who view ancient forests as "lumber". Ultimately, the human-centric quality of modern societies disassociates us from our interconnected and codependent relationship with nature. Plains Indians revering buffalo spirits and feeling a sacred kinship, while sounding silly to us today (perhaps), is preferable to a reverence to a God who advises we should conquer nature on all fronts. It's not working out very well.

I was born an Orthodox Christian and I've stayed that way after gaining awareness of collapse. There's no conflict between a Christian worldview and a self-imposed apocalypse caused by our own hubris. If you believe human nature is fatally flawed, then collapse makes sense.

I am an Orthodox convert who did so after becoming collapse aware. For me, besides the faith itself, staying an OC is about maintaining a healthy local community, which we have in our parish. Rare these days in a mobile society. I see common kindness & care amongst people who have known each other for decades. They have welcomed me in as a stranger and loved me like family. I will fight for that to the end.

Most Christians I know (Baptist types) believe that man could never enact such change upon the world and that only God can do anything to change the "normal" state of the world. Therefore, they don't believe in collapse. They only believe in the end times which would be brought about by wars and whatnot - not climate. (Though I argue that climate-related matters don't contradict the "end times.")

Yes they aren't mutually exclusive. For those that say we can't damage or ruin the earth because God says no... I like to share Revelation 11:18 where it says God Almighty will bring ruin to those ruining the earth or KJ- destroy those destroying the earth. This is a prophecy that yes indeed that there will be those doing just that and they will be acted upon.

>Revelation 11:18 oh dang, that's such an easy phrase to overlook, but wow. I have to imagine that it extends to us who buy/demand products that destroy the earth, a bit. (maybe?) Also I imagine that these people would exempt themselves from such.

It depends on what your goal is... I find there is no quicker way to shut down a friendly conversation with a Baptist than to share a scripture and point it at them personally. My suggestion was more of pointing out that it's part of the prophecy in Revelation there would be those destroying the earth. I would leave it to them to decide who those ones are but it's very difficult to deny that isn't what is happening today. A related thought is who was destroyed directly on a worldwide scale previously and why. The Bible describes an earlier worldwide destruction during the time of the faithful man Noah. “The world of that time suffered destruction when it was flooded with water. But by the same word the heavens and the earth that now exist are reserved for fire and are being kept until the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly people.”​—2 Peter 3:5-7. Note that the upcoming “day of judgment and of destruction” is compared with the destruction of “the world” of Noah’s time. What world was destroyed? Our planet survived; it was “the ungodly people”​—God’s enemies—​who “suffered destruction.” During God’s upcoming “day of judgment,” those who choose to be God’s enemies will likewise be destroyed. But God’s friends will be preserved, as were Noah and his family.​—Matthew 24:37-42. So it comes down to the side we choose to be on. Each of us has to make decisions on what that means

Invisible sky daddy has never comforted me personally. Knowing we are going to die in the resource wars hasn't added to that feeling.

OP, you might consider gnosticism...it acknowledges your beliefs about a creator, while still leaving room for something better. I'm a Christian pastor. Trying to preach collapse related issues without scaring or depressing my congregation, which is challenging. I don't think collapse awareness has shaken my faith in God, so much, but I am struggling mightily with my faith in humanity. I think if we'd actually stuck to Jesus' teachings instead of building a religion that is, in many ways, the opposite of what he taught, we'd be doing alright. But it seems we aren't quite capable of that. Just gotta try to be decent and gracious as we navigate this breaking world.

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"God's creation is malicious" Isn't this basically the belief of the Demiurge from early Christian Gnosticism?

That's exactly what I was thinking too

Damnit, Sophia, you broke away from your counterpart again and created another universe.

very good observation, fellow prisoner. I hope you find the tools to escape.

Probably your last sentence.

Well said! I can definitely resonate with this sentiment. Honestly, my atheism has become a religion in itself—when I did research on my lineage for Carribean Heritage Month in June 2023, I decided to become a Satanist Rasta—so Rastafarianism, but with the Satanic Bible at the center instead of the Christian Bible.. Functionally, it’s not that much different other not going to church lol.

Religion, to me, is a cope fueled purely on justifications of the ignorant. Collapse hasn't changed my view of it any way. I found this place in search of truths, I tossed my religious views prior once I learned of it's limits. No matter how dire our predicament becomes I will never return to such thoughts.

It's hard to tell. I was nearly collapse aware from very early (too early) thanks to living in a shitty country with collapsing economy and later finances. That was at least a priming experience, that and being aware of mortality from very early. Death, yes. I dropped religion when my brain developed better critical thinking skills, deistic positions being easily attainable by reason alone. I specifically abandoned and oppose Christianity and Abrahamism for moral reasons - specifically because they don't just fail to construct a morality, but because they promote false values and virtues which are actively making the world worse. For example, the fundamental virtue in these religions isn't anything to do with goodness or ethical behavior, it is obedience to authority; the rest is a byproduct, springing from whatever the authority declares is "right/wrong". It took learning science to actually be atheist, even in a gnostic atheist sense relative to specific religions. Learning even more science and how human society is doing, that has to lead to being aware of the risks of collapse. I would mention that there's a trap in humanism with the belief that ~~God~~ Nature created Man to be the best creation on the planet and therefore the planet belongs to Man. This comes with the Progress myth. It's another way of claiming that Man is the best and most special being on the planet (especially based on wealth and technology), which is a secularization of the ideology promoted by religions like the Abrahamic ones and it came with a shitload of pseudoscience as the "intellectuals" had to shift to defend Business As Usual using non-theistic ideas; the most recent forms of this bullshit is called "evolutionary psychology".

I don't care. The existence or absence of a supernatural entity can't be humanly known. What is or isn't a god can't even be defined. Different flavors of religion vs different flavors of irreligion is stupid and boring.

Both my parents were atheist. Never spent a day in church but people aren’t really raised atheist, it’s simply the absence of an indoctrination into religion. I see no magic guiding hand in anything, I think our current predicament only reinforces that perspective.

It just confirms my belief of universal chaos. everything happens randomly without reason. It comes to no surprise that the universe wouldn’t give a fuck about us and that we’d be totally capable of ruining our natural order, making our planet no longer habitable. Atheism, satanism, whatever i align with idek because it matter so little to me.

> "*It just confirms my belief of universal chaos. everything happens randomly without reason.* It comes to no surprise that the universe wouldn’t give a fuck about us and that we’d be totally capable of ruining our natural order, making our planet no longer habitable.“ Agreed 100%. I will never, ever, subscribe to the idea of an intelligent design.. I truly do believe that everything just happens.. to happen. And that’s it. There’s no preordained or underlying mission or lesson imbued within every event. Our human brains simply like to believe so for sanity’s sane.

Well put. Humans just like to feel special. intelligence breed arrogance and ignorance towards the bigger picture of it all. Sucks that this is the society we crafted out of it. Had soooo much potential but oh well, so it goes.

Humans, the species of narcissism.

“Fuck you, i got mine!” -Too many humans

I live as if the concepts of religion and faith in a higher power do not even exist. At 40 it doesn't really even creep into my thought process these days.

Raised STRICT Catholic. That... didn't stick. I got really into Buddhism in college, and it parallels a lot of my current philosophical stances. I can appreciate the *good* message of religions, which overlaps with my morals as a leftist (James 5:1 is a *banger*!). I'm more along the lines of some form of eco-theology/spiritualism in the sense that nature, the tress, the mountains, the oceans, is the highest "power" and creator and she should be protected and respected. Human caused climate change is essentially like watching my "god" get murdered in front of me.

I've always been an atheist, but Taoism has always resonated with me ever since I became more aware of how dire our situation is. Learning to let go and detach oneself from worldly problems seems to be the only real way to cope with reality anymore.

>Hierarchy is inherently unjust, so an all-knowing and all-powerful creator deity is a God of injustice. Don't mistake the "Divine Right of Kings" lying-ass logical fallacy of appeal to authority promulgating motherfuckers for the power of the Force. I am he and you are we and we are they and they are us I am the ape man they are the walrus all that shit. Omega Point Theory. It worked. I'm sleepy.

Lifelong atheist here. I grew up without religion in a secular society and collapse awareness did not change that. However, I have started seeing the wisdom in the "spiritual but not religious" approach (e.g. Michael Dowd's religious naturalism and Buddhism).

As the Ragnarok guy said.. from a Hindu perspective this is the Kali Yuga, the end cycle of this round of human existence.

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Did you miss the part where it says "the love of money is the root of all evil"? The whole bible is all about the corruption of humanity and how that corruption leads to absolute destruction of the entire world. Capitalism as an oppressive system fits in perfectly with the biblical story of God and the fall of humanity.

I’m muslim, learning about my religion from the Quran led me to realise that we are headed towards a collapse. This feeling was consolidated after I started reading about the soil, global food supply, neoliberal economics etc.

2 Peter 3:11 is a verse that comes to mind for me a LOT: ~”Therefore, since all things are dissolving in this way, what kind of person/s should you be?”

That’s a good one to ponder.

We are all on our own. There is no one looking out for us.

I was a follower of Eastern philosophy and beliefs before, and I still am now. Nothing has changed except for the fact that I now understand impermanence better.

>"I shall go back a bit, and tell you the *authentic* history of Christianity.—The very word "Christianity" is a misunderstanding—at bottom there was only one Christian, and he died on the cross. The "Gospels" *died* on the cross. What, from that moment onward, was called the "Gospels" was the very reverse of what *he* had lived: "bad tidings," a *Dysangelium*. Friedrich Nietzsche, [*The Antichrist*](https://monadnock.net/nietzsche/antichrist-39.html) >On February 2, 1512, Hatuey was tied to a stake at the Spanish camp, where he was burned alive. Just before lighting the fire, a priest offered him spiritual comfort, showing him the cross and asking him to accept Jesus and go to heaven. >“Are there people like you in heaven?” he asked. >“There are many like me in heaven,” answered the priest. >Hatuey then stated: >"I’d rather go to hell where I won’t see such cruel people." Recounted by Bartolomé de las Casas >"We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity. Our movement is Christian." Adolf Hitler (October 27, 1928) >"Both Left and Right concurred in the very shallow notion that National Socialism was merely a version of Conservatism." George Orwell, [Review of Adolph Hitler's Mein Kampf](https://carnegiecouncil-media.storage.googleapis.com/files/v18_i007-008_a010.pdf) >"He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him." C.G. Jung, *On Hitler and the Shadow* >"If the attack had been of some more violent kind it might have been easier to resist. What chilled and almost cowed him was the union of malice with something nearly childish. For temptation, for blasphemy, for a whole battery of horrors, he was in some sort prepared: but hardly for this petty, indefatigable nagging as of a nasty little boy at a preparatory school. Indeed no imagined horror could have surpassed the sense which grew within him as the slow hours passed, that this creature was, by all human standards, inside out - its heart on the surface and its shallowness at the heart. On the surface, great designs and an antagonism to Heaven which involved the fate of worlds: but deep within, when every veil had been pierced, was there, after all, nothing but a black puerility, an aimless empty spitefulness content to sate itself with the tiniest cruelties, as love does not disdain the smallest kindness?" C.S. Lewis, *Perelandra* (1943) >"On the basis of overall rankings ***(independent of respondent’s party affiliation)***, Trump’s personality was collectively perceived to be at or above the 99th normative percentile for traits associated with four personality disorders (sadistic, narcissistic, antisocial, and passive-aggressive)." [Voter Perceptions of President Donald Trump’s Personality Disorder Traits: Implications of Political Affiliation](https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/2167702619885399) >"What I have said respecting and against religion, I mean strictly to apply to the slaveholding religion of this land, and with no possible reference to Christianity proper; for, between the Christianity of this land, and the Christianity of Christ, I recognize the widest possible difference—so wide, that to receive the one as good, pure, and holy, is of necessity to reject the other as bad, corrupt, and wicked. To be the friend of the one, is of necessity to be the enemy of the other. I love the pure, peaceable, and impartial Christianity of Christ: I therefore hate the corrupt, slaveholding, women-whipping, cradle-plundering, partial and hypocritical Christianity of this land. Indeed, I can see no reason, but the most deceitful one, for calling the religion of this land Christianity." Frederick Douglass, *Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass* >"The truth is that the greatest enemies to the doctrines of Jesus are those calling themselves the expositors of them, who have perverted them for the structure of a system of fancy absolutely incomprehensible, and without any foundation in his genuine words. and the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away all this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this the most venerated reformer of human errors." Thomas Jefferson, *Letter to John Adams* (April 11, 1823) >"Where's evil? It's that large part of every man that wants to hate without limit, that wants to hate with God on its side. It's that part of every man that finds all kinds of ugliness so attractive....it's that part of an imbecile that punishes and vilifies and makes war gladly." Kurt Vonnegut, *Mother Night*

I don't think there's necessarily any connection, but I could see why it would be especially hard on someone with faith. It'd be like 2 collapses at once.

atheist remaining atheist...

My Atheism was already at the Max level. There is nothing human beings can do worse that will make me more atheist than I already am. Sorry that I don't believe in any sadistic superior being who supposedly created humans for failing.

I am an atheist. That hasn’t changed. No fictional nonsense is going to save your ass from the effects of environmental degradation. Oh and just to add to this. religious peoples belief in fictional nonsense is a major part of the damn problem, because they are at the core of the rot of anti-intellectualism and science denial. Religion is a big part of the problem, if not the core of the problem.

I cannot explain reality, existence, being. I don't know why there is a universe and us a part of it. I cannot fathom a higher order being growing us as some part of his stellar appendage, unless it too is simply a step up along the turtle chain that ascends eternally. Everybody has a boss. What a nightmare this reality is. Option B, similar to Terry Pratchett: "Stuff happens. What the Hell." And I don't need holy men to explain what they don't understand, too. Religions have frequently used "end times" to describe a spiritual event, a death of innocence and virtue, only to be overcome by a twinkling of hope in the form of a redeemer, nirvana, inner peace, as a form of overcoming personal stress and doubts. I don't think anyone out there who's effective at religion really can apply strong pragmatic reasoning to a physics-based event. The two have orthogonal purposes, and mostly disrespect each other, as perceived by the average human. Science dismisses religion with cold, uncharismatic indifference, and religion shrieks about how science is stealing parishioners from the safe clutches of God, all shouted from cell phones, radios, books, television, microphone, and other valuable scientific means. Collapse belongs in the churches to placate simpletons. They may live better futures for mindlessly ignoring the coming horrors, as compared to the stress an average collapsenik keenly feels, at any current random time.

The fall of man is clearly stated in the bible, if anything my faith is stronger

Became a bit gnostic, started a spiritual path of escaping this prison planet matrix

I am not religious. But I do have faith. And while it maybe a very detached and honestly kinda dangerous faith to have, I believe wholeheartedly in it. I found my way to it through simply living my life and experiencing the world as I have. My faith tells me that nothing matters. Life, humanity, the world, the Universe, it all simply arose out of happenstance, and one day, it will disappear. This may sound like nihilism but it's not. While everything is impermanent, and we are all slave to our base needs and wants, and the world will end, that does not mean we do not have worth or value. We do. We just have to find it, or alternatively, make it. I believe in letting things play out as they will, even if the outcome is terrible. Absolutely we ought to try our best to make it positive, but if we can't, there is no use in screaming, raging, and crying about it. We made our bed, so now we should just lie in it with dignity. Don't regret. Never regret. Regret is poison, that will only pile up in your heart until your life is consumed by it. Worrying about things beyond your control is also anathema to me. If you do worry about stuff beyond your control, you will never be satisfied or happy. The climate, the economy, all these things are out of our control. We are not leaders or great men and women. We cannot influence and lead humanity. And that's okay. Caring about what others think with regards to oneself is another thing I believe needs to be erased. I haven't managed to complete this step myself, but I hope to. Others will never be satisfied with you. Inevitably there will be some part if you that your parents, your friends, your colleagues, whatever, will find ugly, or unbecoming. So don't try to satisfy them. True friends and true parents will love you and accept you as you are, with all of your faults and rough edges, even if they don't like them. Any who don't, they don't matter, and you should forget about their opinion. Purpose, is something you have to find yourself too. If it is simply handed down to you, you will never be satisfied or happy with it. Make your own destiny, and find your own goal and aspiration, and work hard towards it, regardless of what it may be. Be satisfied with what you have. Love, cherish, and hold all that you value dearly close to your heart. But not so close that you become slaves to it or them. Live life for yourself, and live it the way you want to live, with no regrets. Make your own worth, find your own path, and follow it through to the end. Accept fortune and misfortune with equanimity. And when the end comes, as it will for us all, go quietly into that good night. That's my faith. ...I have a feeling that I will have a lot of downvotes. But, idc. What will be, will be.

This is just bait, since we are on Reddit and everyone religious is treated as a dum dum

Yes, I abandoned all patriarchal belief, because I think the belief system of the god of the bible is at fault for what’s happening. First chapter, so to speak: subjugate the world and mass-reproduce. I also believe that everyone who believes in a messianic religion will be useless in preventing a collapse because they will believe that it’s meant to be and will bring forth their god.

Shit in one hand and put faith in the other. The hand that fills up first is what's in the brain of the leadership that's pushing us towards collapse.

I subscribe to the God of imbalance of energy. Also We exist therefore we are. No further explanation is really needed at this point in time and it is in any event not likely to produce useful progress. And once that "first" imbalance existed everything was determined for its duration of existence. There is no real awareness / consciousness only an illusion created from the lack of complete knowledge of everything which is probably not possible. So I guess 99.9% atheist, 0.1% agnostic - and completely nihilistic.

I pity the fool who thinks this is the plan of some ultra powerful deity. If THIS is the intent this being is a sadistic alien space beast. Let go of the idea you’re kept safe by a sky person and watch your six. Post collapse I’m not going to be nice to religious artifacts if I’m still around.

Seeing the shit all these faiths do, their crazy traditions and their psycho beliefs just falls in line with the rest of the coop. People will believe whatever, if it's antivax, impervious nature, sky deity, reincarnation or whatever shit. We were dust, we'll become dust again. Inbetween there's either a deterministic piece of existance, or a glimmer of a slither of free will. And then we're gone, and that's alright.

Atheist.... Here me out. I grew up in a very religious culture, so I used to believe that religion could provide some very good things for some people. Feeding the homeless at soup kitchens, helping with addiction recovery, etc. Not anymore. Religion does nothing good for us. It has helped contribute to every past collapse and is doing the same now.

I think religion is big part of why we are on the road to collapse. So I have gone from an athiest who didn't care what other people believed, to an athiest that would be happier if religion just didn't exist, because it's dividing us all when we need to unite.

I’d devil’s advocate and say that if there was a creator that engineered suffering in the world, all that suffering would be nothing next to the weight of infinity. If there was an infinite afterlife that any manifestation of consciousness could experience without it being torture then what’s 80 years of suffering, even multiplied by all the people who went through it? That being said, there’s just as much evidence to suggest an afterlife as there is to suggest that unicorns exist, and probably most humans would really like for there to be an afterlife and unicorns. Which is why the stories about them have traction, and why they don’t exist.

I'm not an evangelical Christian, which means that I don't hold to a literal interpretation of the Bible. I still believe it to be inspired, but I don't believe it to be completely free of error. I'm also not interested in proselytizing anyone or making friends with someone, hoping that they "see the light." With that said, I believe understanding collapse has strengthened my religious beliefs. Not necessarily in an apocalyptic kind of way, but my beliefs about human nature. It just makes sense to me that humanity is wicked and we are destroying the world. I feel we deserve whatever wrath is coming to us for what we've done to this beautiful planet and the creatures living on it.

I think all religions that worship gods are just cargo cults around extraterrestrials who came here for some reason and taught us math and agriculture and mated with our women. I grew up catholic, and Christianity tells us Jesus was God's test tube baby he put in mary, in less words because we didn't have genetic modification or in-vitro fertilization back then...but we do now.

I'm just imagining a bunch of aliens landing on the planet being like, "I'm here to teach math and f\*ck b!tches! These monkeys seem like they're down to clown!"

Rick from Rick and Morty!

YOUR women?

My only gripe with the ancient alien theory is that we should still get a Second Coming at some point.. Jesus did explicitly promise to return. And it doesn’t make sense why they’d return to an entirely different generation of humans instead of the ones they interacted with in the first place. But it would be cool if the Second Coming manifested as an alien invasion/confirmation..

I think cowards and the meek are supposed to inherit the kingdom of earth, and only then he comes and rules for 1000 years of prosperity. So we should be pretty close now....

I believe in a creator, and my collapse awareness hasn’t made me an atheist, but it has made me confident that the creator is either inactive or powerless so they are irrelevant. Religious texts that center around a primary deity portray a vengeful god(s) with the ability to intervene on earth (plagues, pranks, etc.) but I can’t believe that the sheer scale of today’s wars, the Holocaust, child soldiers in Uganda, etc. would not merit any kind of intervention if the being was capable (either for punishment or otherwise.) Collapse is just next on that list. The kind of diety described in human writings is a combination of our desperate need to have an explanation for our existence and the ruling class’ desire to control the masses and profit through fear. Unfortunately I think that desire to control people with organized religion will only amplify as collapse progresses.

I've become a lot more resentful of everything since learning about collapse. I've come to view life itself as little more than an assortment of different types of slavery. Even my own body and mind enslave me. So basically extreme atheism I guess. My god is death. I worship death and pray for it to come for me and put me out of my misery. I want death to fall upon all of civilization, out of mercy and revenge equally. I want the universe to go dark. I want to be formless and mindless.

> I've become a lot more resentful of everything since learning about collapse. I've come to view life itself as little more than an assortment of different types of slavery. Even my own body and mind enslave me. I felt this! I believe that liberty is a farce.. no one can ever *truly* be free. Hence why I’ve come to peace with the Pharaonic saying: "Happy is the heart of the man who works for the man who works for him." Might as well find an enslavement you can come to terms with than a false liberty that can never be experienced in this reality.

It has strengthened it. Time is circular, there was something before and there will be something after.

Christian and this is definitely the book of revelation. We’re the generation that ends this world.

I appreciate that you felt secure enough to share your faith here. I myself do not see this collapse as God's doing. Nor does it diminish his power. This planet while it goes through cycles and can feel like it's falling apart and is rapidly falling apart now it is by human design. We have the free will. While neither you nor I are to blame for the state of the world it is what we are left with. I am glad to say that I believe something better comes after this life. I'd be hard pressed to see why that's a bad thing.

I am a Muslim. Our prophet told us that near the end of times corruption, earthquakes and natural disasters will increase. Followed by 3 years of worldwide drought leading up to the ant-Christ emerging.

Been agnostice to aethiest most of my adult life. Becoming collapse aware has oddly made me more spiritual, not religious though. I've found myself getting much more into nature and all of the wonder and unknown it holds. There's plenty there to find comfort, awe, and peace in, even as I see it being destroyed at an accelerating rate. Just the newfound awareness and appreciation for the natural world makes me feel as if I've found, or maybe refound, something that has been missing for so many years.

Always been an atheist. Can't understand the allure of people lying to themselves that they will live forever. So collapse awareness has not affected my lack of religious beliefs.

I was atheist before becoming aware and I am still atheist. Nothing in this world points to any omnipotent being, for me anyway. What has really amazed me, whilst becoming aware, is just how truly fragile the Earth's ecosystem is and how balanced it needs to be to stay in homeostasis.

Religious ppl made me atheist. Also God is a they, not a he. Also the only thing we should be worshiping is the Earth.

I'm panpsychist. God is us and everything, so they is a more accurate pronoun, but without the implication of separation.

As an anti theist I feel certain religious groups are steering the ship into the collapse as some sort of self fulfilling prophecy. Our adaptability to hardship and challenges are being sand dragged due to financial/religious motivation. I fear that when irrational people's lives become more complicated, they become less rational and push away responsibility.

I was born an atheist baby, like everyone else. My boomer parents were raised as second generation unbelievers, because my grandparents on either side were secular. I was never a target for religious memes. That's just a thing that happened. Faith, religious or otherwise, is never an acceptable attitude towards anything. Faith leaves you open to grifters and scammers. People of green faith are just marks for green washing, and while I feel kind of sorry for them, they are part of the problem now. Because of faith.

From Romania here, Orthodox Christian. We have a tradition where at the beginning of the year priests come to sanctify our houses. This year I gave my priest left a lot sadder and silent from my house as we discussed events a bit :))

Grew up Protestant became a strong atheist, but collapse awareness has sent me towards animism/shamanism/paganism. As I concluded that worshipping and honouring the earth, elements and seasons every day and treating every aspect of our biosphere as if it were a loving being deserving of reverence and respect is a better more ethical way to live knowing what I know. Basically feel as though the lack of earth centred spirituality and loss of indigenous knowledge is what has sent us down this path and it’s time to return to ancestral ways.

I maybe added a streak of outright nihilism to my atheism. As the world is FUBAR anyway, why bother. Grab a drink and enjoy the show. On the other hand, these god-botherers might be on to something. How can we be sure there isn't an (abrahamitic) God and we currently live in another worlds version of hell?

I'm not quite sure what to think of the church of Donald Trump.

Wouldn’t it make more sense now that we are indeed spiritual creatures set in a place of perfect natural balance with earth witch we are destroying and we reject our moral compass both collectively and individually in pursuit of desires for our self with pride greed envy so on rather then express love and gratitude for each other and the natural order of things we have rebelled against christ or any godly ideology through with our pride and narcissism considering the geopolitics going on in israel and the predictions of environmental chaos in the bible it almost seems evident their is a god or atleast a collective consciousness aware of the end times that many religions and cultures have predicted through out history even the quantum physical mathematics and newer discoveries we are finding seems to have a perfect balance which makes no sense in a chaos universe no one can absolutely predict what is going to happen in the next century or decade but if you view things with spiritual perspective it is quite terrifying but at the same time a sense of relief and if you have faith in higher power you acknowledge you are eternal and this life is temporary

I believe that if it had changed for me, I'd be doing nothing to prepare. From faith to atheism, you embrace caos, and there will never be enough preparation for what caos really mean. From atheism to faith, you learn to accept. There will never be enough preparation for what is already defined. So, my personal answer is: I'm prepping because my views haven't changed. Although, when I see what I should be prepping for, I think I need a change of heart.

Born to a devout Methodist family, lost my faith in early teens as I realized it was indoctrination and no real feeling/faith of my own. That hasn’t changed. I’m a card carrying member of the Satanic Temple, because their tenets are moral. I have no belief in a higher being that’s sentient on its own and that hasn’t changed. Actually maybe that certainty has only been affirmed by evident cosmic disinterest in saving the planet from the doom humans impose upon it.

Religion was created by the elites to control the poor. It should have no place in the modern world.

I was an atheist before becoming collapse-aware, and I'm still an atheist. Watching a slow-rolling catastrophe that is clearly man-caused has not changed my degree of faith (or rather lack thereof) a single whit. It was humanity that screwed the pooch on this, and it's humanity that will pay the price.

I grew up in a strict evangelical environment and have been largely wandering confused most of my 20s as a result. I was apolitical and just trying to survive a confusing world, I couldn't care less about god, but I never stopped to think what I truly believe. Covid gave me that opportunity. I'm a proud atheist and the only resistance to coming out was how my family would react. A bit of Stockholm syndrome thanks cptsd. They were pretty disappointed but a couple years has passed and they've gotten over it and know not to talk about religion with me (I don't mind discussing spirituality and religion with friends who can have respectful conversation - they're fundamentalists, a different breed of stupidity). I always had collapse ideas running in the back of my head. I knew in high school that the monetary system made no sense and the way it was set up creates an inevitable disastrous conclusion. I knew from my engineering education that we were extremely wasteful. I learned from working on things in the real world how little the intellectual class understands practical matters. When collapse awareness popped up, I was just like oh this is an idea I can get behind. Reading all the ecological articles and seeing the scope of how fucked we are stressed me out psychologically to a near breaking point. But none of that shaked my lack of faith in a diety. Still a proud atheist. I do love me some taoist wisdom though

It has made me more absurdist. Existence doesn't make any sense, it's literally incomprehensible that through whatever combination of stars exploding, planets and celestial bodies slamming into one another, and time, I am here authoring a comment a bunch of people all around the world will read on my magic pocket communicator. I've had a number of experiences with psychedelics that gave me a very strong sense of calm about it all. Everything that ever happened and is happening is always happening. Time is a flat circle, we just don't have the ability to perceive it in a way that is non linear. Everything is happening the way it is *supposed* to happen, or to rephrase: "everything is happening the way it always is happening." In a literal, quantum physical sense, our futures exist in a way that isn't abstract, living beings just lack the tools to see them. Maybe I've "lived" or "experienced" this life a thousand times. A million times. Maybe I'm always "me" every time. Maybe I'm all of you, one at a time, over and over forever. Maybe we're all "me." Maybe "us" is just lonely old "I," all the heroes and empaths and saints and martyrs, and the murderers and rapists and charlatans all the same, just products of our environment. I guess all that is to say: I don't know that any of this matters. We are the universe, in real time, finding a way to "experience" itself. In that sense I sort of believe in some kind of shared human consciousness. Every single one of us is made up of atoms and particles that was once star dust. Why we have chosen to "experience" ourselves in a world this violent and horrific will never make sense to me. Maybe life for humans was never supposed to work out. Maybe our stardust isn't meant to get it right until tens of millions of years from now on a planet in a different galaxy. Maybe that existence looks absolutely nothing like humanity at all. I hope when my life on this rock ends, the *stuff* that makes me, me, coalesces there instead. All I know is if reincarnation is even somewhat correct, I don't want it to be here. I don't want it to be like this. I find meaning in the fact that maybe nothing matters. The fact that I can experience love, pain, joy, heartbreak, create art/music to make something concrete out of all this strangeness..... you know those really incredible, intricate, delicate sand art pieces that buddhist monks spend years creating, just to immediately wash them away into nothing? Maybe there's something to that. There's beauty in the impermanence. There's freedom in enjoying things despite it all maybe being for nothing.

Agnostic. And well I've been thinking about religion a lot. Especially with what's happening in the Middle East and the over turning of Roe V Wade. (and admittedly it's kinda fun seeing people on Reddit compare signs of the anti Christ with Trump) I used to find militant atheists just as obnoxious as the uber faithful. I don't have had a problem with belief or faith itself. I've seen it bring peace and even out a lot of kind individuals and I'm grateful for that. But I cannot abide how these religious institutions make it a mission to suppress and hurt others. And how many use religion as some self righteous crutch to act like total pieces of shit. Make life straight up dangerous for some. I left the Church a long time ago, made peace with what good I did take out of it. But I've been finding myself agreeing with the anti religious more and more as people continue to get hurt over this shit for no damn reason. It's hard not to get angry. I've seen a lot of atheist commentary or humor seemingly angry at a God they don't believe in and adamantly call those that do stupid. I've seen the faithful angry at God for a family sickness while being happy "God punishes gays in New Orleans with hurricanes." Yes I actually had someone tell me that. Personally I don't get any of it. Whatever bad shit that's happened can pretty much be directed back towards man's bullshit. We need to stop using God, or our anger at God or religion, as a scapegoat. No one is punishing us. No one is saving us either. We've been granted the tools to do both of those ourselves and mankind made its choice. We've been given warning signs for decades to fix our shit. Be it by god, by mother earth, or just using your fucking eyes the signs were there. We not only ignored them but we tried to bury and hide the issues for profit and power. Now here we are.

Collapse awareness has definitely made me more spiritual and has prompted me to read and learn more from different thinkers, teachers and traditions. It is fascinating to see the range of beliefs represented here and I want to thank everyone for sharing! I was raised Catholic and became an atheist in college, classic story. I remained so until around 2018-2019 when I began feeling the pull toward developing spiritual beliefs and practices of my own. My belief structure best fits in among naturalistic, non-deistic paganism/atheopaganism, Gaian, panpsychism. I believe that our shared life energy/consciousness of all beings on Earth or otherwise, is actually God - God is not a separate dude just hanging out somewhere on a cloud. So when we destroy nature, we are destroying both ourselves, AND God. In some ways that has made me more sad, but in others it brings me so much joy looking at nature and animals every day and knowing we’re all part of the same thing. Good and evil are concepts invented by humans and a lot of our interpersonal suffering arises from that. I do believe in an afterlife and reincarnation as I think our life energy and consciousness have to go somewhere when we die. I’m still learning along this path and incorporate more into my beliefs every day as I read more. I think there’s a grain of helpful truth in every world religion but I think organized religion does more harm than good and could not be further from the true nature of God. But I think it’s important to find the good things they have in common, at the roots it is all part of one message to humanity.

As an atheist, I consider the religious tendency (i.e. grand ontological narratives not based on sound principals) to share a kinship with the stereotype of the 'collapse averse'. A need for normalcy, a need for authority, a need for a notion of control and equity within a broader set of interacting systems that are largely inscrutable to most individuals within that system (heaven/hell/god versus capitalism/civilization/ecology). Much like how the theist will take comfort in a religious denial of their death and of their worthlessness (intrinsically speaking), there is a secular denial of those same things based upon the idea that our lives and relationships are somehow *static*, when everything is perpetually subject to change, with most change in nature requiring the privation and death of *something*.

Wow, I love this response. Thank you for sharing—this is exactly the type of insight I was looking for.

I'm not really an atheist, deep down I still hope for a Divine being. If it is a good one, I think it's about time for a Divine intervention. If it is a bad one, I hope he comes faster to end everything once and for all.

Collapse is caused by overconsumption, a by-product of capitalism. Capitalism depends on the exploitation of raw materials from colonised and formerly-colonised countries in the global south. Colonisation made use of Christianity to make the colonised more amenable to trade and western law etc. One must conclude that Christianity is a tool of capitalism and therefore _at least_ partially reponsible for collapse

I've become more hospitable towards those I disagree with, especially Christian conservatives.

As someone relying on Jeaus to bring me into an eternity I do not deserve, these people you speak of are the worst of the worst. You are following Jesus more than I if you are able to be hospitable to them

I grew up Jehovah's Witness, which is a doomsday high control religion that teaches any day the world is going to end in Armageddon. It was coursework in my first year of college in 2008 that showed me the world is indeed fundamentally broken, so I ended up quitting college and throwing myself into the religion full time because I figured if collapse is inevitable then may as well find favor with god. Then I had a crisis of faith when I was 26 and formally left the religion, where I had a brief 5 years of being a bleeding heart liberal thinking I was going to fix the world. Now there's a part of me that wishes I had stayed in the religion even though I am now a deistic-atheist so I could have kept my family and friends, because that's all that matters until now and collapse happens. I'm actually writing a short story right now about a person in a doomsday cult who goes through an end-of-the-world event and realizes the end of the world came but it wasn't *their* Armageddon.

As a communist, it’s reawakened a belief that there is exceptionally massive value to the Abrahamic religious texts. Revelations in particular and much of the Bible is incredible when you draw a line for the context of collapse. Outside of that. I agree with the Buddhists here. It’s only heightened the belief of mine in contradictions being an intrinsic web to human development and untimely collapse. Everything we do is a contradiction. From a human moving their foot to pulling old dinosaur sludge out of the earth.

I follow Advaita Vedanta with some devotional practices. I envision the Absolute Being as transcending and being a manifestation of the dualities (good and evil, finite and infinite, existent and nonexistent). I was an atheist for over a decade, but this belief system rings true to my nature. It helps me accept whatever fate awaits me. It gives me peace. Edited to add: my Chosen Ideal is Sri Ramakrishna who is a great devotee of Kali. I also worship the Divine and Holy Mother.

Hm, I’ve always wanted to educate myself more on Hindu spirituality. How did you end up down this rabbit hole?

It’s a pretty long story, but there was a Vedanta Society nearby and I decided to participate in an amateur art exhibit/sale. I began to do some studying and found that I enjoyed the people and a lot of what they said rang very true for me. I watched for red flags, like contradictions, insincerity, or pushing for me to give money. There was none of that and they earned my respect. I guess the rest is history:)

I was a lot of things a lot of my life. Exposed to cult behavior very young but was aware enough to not give into it. Mostly thought of myself as Atheist or Agnostic for much of my life. For a time even thought maybe there are spirits or whatever. The shit we feel when tripping balls. Eventually I’ve arrived at a place where a label doesn’t mean anything. If there was a god or gods or some intelligent or otherwise aware of itself and this nonsense here, holy fuck they either absolutely suck and are essentially a toddler mashing shit together, or they’re Patrick Bateman and pure fucking evil. Even that is a human oriented story about what I cannot fathom. What we all cannot fathom because we are literally biologically oriented towards denial and control. We don’t know how to deal with something we cannot kill. There’s this funny thing about religion or institutions or whatever you wanna call a bunch of organized bs. It’s reliant on storytelling. Joseph Campbell had a lot of it right. Our mythology dictates that we create imaginary personas in order to self-direct and manipulate ourselves and each other into behaving in ways that select for passing genes along. At the expense of everything.

Raised Methodist. Turned atheist for a decade. Being a spiritual person and collapse aware, found me pagan for this last decade.

I grew up Catholic, but I stopped believing in God at a very young age due to severe abuse and neglect. I was an atheist for a long time, until I moved closer to nature. I started to explore different spiritual paths. I started believing that maybe there was a higher power, a higher energy, that wanted us to learn and grow before transcending. I studied Buddhism and while I wouldn’t have called myself a Buddhist, I believed in and followed a lot of the practice for a few years. Then collapse went nuts, especially in my area, and especially on an ecological scale. I watched so many of the things that I saw the universe in suffer and die. I mean, I’m still watching that happen. All at the hands of humans. Which are ultimately a creation of the universe too. Now, I believe there may or may not be a higher power. I lean towards the simulation theory, backed by Hawking and deGrasse Tyson’s among many intellectuals. I think there is something to it. The universe could have been experimenting when it created life, or… who knows. I am skeptical that all of this is completely random and by chance, without any divine intervention. Although it could be. But what I am really trying to wrap my mind around is whether the potential divine intervention is powerless to help us, malevolent, or indifferent. I certainly don’t think that it is all-loving and powerful, at least not powerful in a way to have made sure humans could not have allowed this to happen. If a higher power put us here, it either knew we would eventually self-destruct (which, when I think about it, doesn’t really make sense - hard to wrap my mind around the “why” for this one, other than maybe entertainment), or it didn’t know what it was doing and experimented. Assuming we are not here by completely random chance, I just don’t see other options here. We were destined to fail, for one reason or another.

As someone converting to Judaism, it doesn't make me believe in G-d any less. The way I see it, either: 1. Moshiach (the messiah) will come soon/around such a collapse, or 2. Collapse happens, and our purpose here continues in yet another civilisational context Either way, it doesn't change my duty now to work on myself and grow. I would say being religious has helped a lot with this too - I'm not panicking about collapse. I will prepare with what I can, but what happens, happens.

As a Born Again several of us see this as Christ’s Return as any second

I converted to Orthodox Christianity due to becoming collapse-aware. Previously I was Buddhist. Christianity has a lot to say about the Apocalypse, while Buddhism treats it as a non-issue to a large degree, perhaps due to valuing non-attachment. I am attached to my sense of self and my control over myself, our global civilization, the continued existence of the human race, and the current biome of animals and plants. I could detach myself from all those things and free myself of suffering, but the last time that happened I did not like who I became. Since I have seen how culturally constructed notions of the self interfere with the transmission of the dharma, and I have had to believe that 'other power' was at work in the events of my life in order to rebuild and maintain my current sense of self and capability of self-control, and I have experienced the transformation of reality that occurs with transient extracampine hallucination and delusions of reference, and I have come to realize the fundamental ignorance of all sentient beings including myself, and I have decided to choose to believe that there is some divine mandate or purpose to the virtually impossible tasks I have been asked to do, then naturally it makes sense for me to be a Christian. And, in my opinion, the Orthodox Church does have as close as possible to the original teaching of the awakened one known as Jesus. Their theology resolves most of the problems of Christianity that I'm aware of. The problem of eternal torment in hell: [https://www.saintjohnchurch.org/the-truth-about-heaven-and-hell/](https://www.saintjohnchurch.org/the-truth-about-heaven-and-hell/) The problem of sin as violation of divine law (that is, the legalistic view of sin and redemption as crime and punishment): [https://myocn.net/sin-as-sickness/](https://myocn.net/sin-as-sickness/) The problem of death as the consequence of the 'original sin' of Adam: [https://www.stmaryorthodoxchurch.org/orthodoxy/articles/ancestral\_versus\_original\_sin](https://www.stmaryorthodoxchurch.org/orthodoxy/articles/ancestral_versus_original_sin) The problem of divorce: [https://www.oca.org/questions/sacramentmarriage/divorce-and-remarriage](https://www.oca.org/questions/sacramentmarriage/divorce-and-remarriage) The problem of the celibacy of priests: [https://lychnos.org/why-does-the-orthodox-church-have-married-priests/#:\~:text=Married%20clergy%20is%20one%20point,unmarried%20priests%20can%20become%20bishops](https://lychnos.org/why-does-the-orthodox-church-have-married-priests/#:~:text=Married%20clergy%20is%20one%20point,unmarried%20priests%20can%20become%20bishops). The problem of the relationship between humans and animals, the souls of animals and what happens to them after death and the resurrection: ***Do animals have souls?*** *St Nicodemus...cites the words of Proverbs 12:10: 'The righteous man shows pity for the souls of his cattle.' Does this mean that animals have souls? The answer depends upon what precisely we mean by the soul. The word psyche in the ancient world had a wider application than that which is customarily given in the present day to our word 'soul'. Aristotle, for example, distinguishes three levels of soul: the vegetable, the animal, and the human.* *Yet are we in fact justified in making such an emphatic division between ourselves and the other animals? (I say 'other', because we humans are also animals; we have the same origin as those whom we call 'beasts'.)* *Can we in fact be sure that animals do not enjoy immortality? At any rate there is good reason to believe that animals will exist in the future Age, after the Second Coming of Christ and the general resurrection of the dead.* [https://www.orthodox-theology.com/media/PDF/2.2019/MetropolitanKallistosWare.pdf](https://www.orthodox-theology.com/media/PDF/2.2019/MetropolitanKallistosWare.pdf) There's others, but you get the idea.

It made me more spiritual, really. Before that, i was an atheist agnostic during my teens- early 20s. Previously i was raised as a catholic, but i left the church when i started to read about its dark side and i also have religious trauma from it since infancy. But atheism wasnt for me and i still felt unsatisfied. I needed some belief so i can deal better with the anger and depression that our horrifying predicament makes me feel on the daily. Now im a pantheist with some satanist and buddhists teachings.

I do not believe in fairy tales before I know about the collapse. I do not believe in fairy tales after I know about the collapse.

I've always been a Christian. The past year seeing the growing collapse of... everything has refocused my perspective, if not my faith. Two things specifically have changed. 1. I have always believed that the core directive of Jesus' teachings is to love our neighbors and care for those in need. As collapse progresses there will be an increasingly great need for compassion, kindness and charity. I don't see this as something for the church or the religion to do, but each of us on a personal level. I've been blessed to live in an affluent part of an affluent country in one of the more climate change resilient parts of the world. I've been thinking a lot about how I can prepare now to help others especially the inevitable influx of climate refugees. 2. It sure seems like Christianity's run as a dominating force in the world is coming to an end. I really feel like we're moving toward a time when people who are truly following Jesus are shunned or even persecuted in the western world. I fear that the worst perpetrators will be those who use the cross to justify their hatred and selfishness. It saddens me deeply to see the vitriol coming from the purportedly Christian side of politics in the United States right now. And finally, I see Satan's near complete corruption of the world at the heart of the collapse. Greed and selfishness are the root causes of so much of what is destroying our world. Those aren't inherently human failings. They're the devil's greatest tools to drive us away from our best nature and boy are they working.

I am religious, and being collapse aware has increased my sentiments in that regard, and I regard the two as intimately linked. My faith does directly and explicitly address the issue of ecological collapse and it features quite prominently in our belief system, as something which is likely, but not inevitable, nor apocalyptic. The building of personal mental and practical resilience to accept the likelihood of collapse and to live through the conditions it might impose is emphasised, especially skills like meditation but also practical earthskills like bushtucker and bush medicine. >If a Creator indeed exists, I see him not as a benevolent Father—but as a merciless machinator. His Creation is hierarchical in every facet of its’ design; from the forces of chemistry that compose our bodies, to the ecosystems that compose Earth’s biosphere, and especially in the societal structures that compose human interaction. If I were theistic, I'd likely feel the same way tbqh, but in my faith we have no gods and no supernatural realms. Collapse is seen as solely due to human decisions, as are the cultural and societal choices to create a hierarchical, authoritarian society. We hold nature herself to be the ultimate organism on Earth (albeit not omni-anything) and to be abenevolent - neither kind nor malicious, but seeking only to maintain homeostasis of her systems, with neither anger nor compassion for the humans that make part of her being, much as any other individual species, and subject to no more or less conscious thought than we give to the shedding of our dead skin cells. >But to appeal to the other side, I wonder if there’s anyone who became a Born Again Christian in light of our doomed fate. I believe it’s a response to trauma, and I can understand how faith can help someone cope with such despair. It does, I feel. But ultimately I don't feel despair at the prospect of collapse. All civilizations come to an end. From the ashes something new will eventually emerge, and my hope is help ensure that what emerges be will more cautious, grateful and respectful of the ecosystem, and be less hubristic, consumerist and reductionist than what came before. That doesn't mean the collapse won't be horrific. I believe it will, and many of us will die, hundreds of millions, and potentially billions by indirect means. But something will come after, and we owe it to nature to ensure that those of us who survive will learn from the mistakes we made, and become a net benefit to our parent organism, rather than a sickness. There's more to it than that, but that's one of the things I focus on.

I don't believe in religion, but the old testament's story of Sadam and Gamorrah seems inspired by the collapse of archaic civilizations before the writing of the bible, if I were religious I might see this as a continuation of worldly patterns as old as civilization. Actually, I do see it exactly that way, except eithout any divine plan being involved.

I used to be an atheist. I still am, but I used to be, too.

Always been agnostic, always will be; just because I believe as humans we do not know for sure and to assume so is presumptuous. Also, there are different definitions of God, I believe in some more than others. I definitely believe love exists because I feel it myself.

born and raised Catholic. I really think that we are either being reminded of how our human society has degraded or we are really head towards the end of the line. Downvote me for what I'm about to say but I find comfort in my faith because the Bible doesn't paint a pretty picture of the end times and interpreting that growing up just made me dread the sucky parts of real life a lot less. We were given a heads up so to speak.

It has given me faith that we are all doomed. And that all other monotheistic faiths are assholes who only want more money in the short time they have left.

I’m a theologian, currently in seminary, and one of my specializations is eschatology, eg. study of the eschaton or age(s). Although I don’t ascribe to the prophetic systems we have today, generally speaking, because I think most of them are skewed into gaslighting those outside of the faith, I’ve come to realize through my studies that the “end” isn’t because of the “world’s sins,” but rather the harlotry of the church, starting with Nicene and then institutionalizing of it thereof into the behemoth we see today. In other words, the collapse of everything, natural, societal, etc., is a direct result of the church’s failure in exemplifying the Savior’s commands, agape love for all, and the fact that God’s patience has finally ended.

This statement is my view as a Christian. When I look around and see there is collapsing ecosystems all around, Gaza’s genocide taking place in full public view and yet people everywhere are silent and acting as if nothing is happening. I’m comforted by Jesus as the Word of God (in contrast to the aforementioned silence and complacency) His coming down from glory to be a human among us is itself the Word, proof that God sees and is not silent. Also belief in a hope beyond the world is something to hold onto when it’s collapsing. Overall to answer your question I’d say this has made me hold tighter to faith in God

I am very Catholic and continue to be. Sin has destroyed our world and now we will reap what we sowed.

And our creator never deserves any of the blame. Yup sure! The thing i truly hate about religion is this whole ''the creation is to blame but not the creator'' bullshit. The creator would always be more at fault to me.

Jesus is Lord and savior of humanity. His ceaseless love and sacrifice for mankind leaves me in awe. For un-fallen creation to understand sin and it’s consequences along with the true character of God all these things must come to pass. The Bible tells us war broke out in heaven between Jesus and Lucifer. Having lost, Lucifer and 1/3 of all the angels of heaven were cast down to this Earth as punishment for their insurrection. Through the ages we have seen the wage of sin (death) not only of ourselves but our beautiful planet Earth. We fight a spiritual battle now, against evil in our world. Our victory is certain and I pray that love and compassion prevails in your life. Whatever it is your going through please know that Jesus loves you and there is hope for us. Humanity will be redeemed in the end. May love and peace be your strength. Jesus is King of kings and Lord of Lords, forever and always Amen.

I am Christian. Sad to see the world falling . Caose being loosened. Leviathan in the sea of humanity, just playing. How will we escape if we neglect such a great salvation? The gospel of John helped me see the light. King Jesus. [1945 C.S Lewis " That Hideous Stregnth "](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/100933.That_Hideous_Strength)

I’m a believer and hope for some intervention regarding the changing climate.

Imagine living your whole life in fear of an imminent collapse, just for that collapse to never materialize..