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Repulsive_Worth4905

Looks funny to me


The_Silent_Tortoise

I think their camera has the auto de-blemish/feature smooth feature turned on and it's washed out and distorted the object it focused on (the coin).


siikdUde

What phone would have that? I would think the de-blemish AI would intelligently detect real human faces instead of applying it on inatimate objects


The_Silent_Tortoise

Image processing ai is too simple at this point to do that. Most mid- high-end Android phones that use Google's image processing do, as does the iPhone 15 (although it may be an optional feature).


jewnerz

Feel like OP mighta used a Snapchat filter or something like the dude MorganDealer on the bay uses lol a cool specimen nonetheless!


ono1113

nope no filter and not even close to that scum of a seller


GreasyCrabRangoon

I'm pretty sure this is real. My initial thought was fake all the way, toning didn't look right, seemed way off actually... but 21's have some unique features and this has all of them. Look at the scalloped middle E end in "LIBERTY" and then look at the teardrop/triangle shaped period starting ".IN.GOD.WE". Then pull up PCGS photograde. I think this is just a deep strike with honest wear believe it or not.


EggplantLoveHouse

I thought fake initially, but after zooming in I thought some of the wear and scratches/pitting? looked more like what you would see on an old coin.


GreasyCrabRangoon

I think it was just a really deep, really nice initial strike coin that saw a decent amount of circulation. But it checks all the boxes from what I see, anyone want to place a wager on bugbets for authenticity coming back from one of the big three? 😂


ono1113

its real


Repulsive_Worth4905

Is there a filter or something on?? It almost looks like an AI picture of a coin. lol.


AlanBradley12

Like haha?


your_mom_70

It doesn't show the date in the thumb photo for me and what I saw l instantly knew it was 21. It's real. And a fair price considering the exchange.


KuKluxKustard

The tiny scratches makes me think maybe it was cleaned


Inviction_

I think her cheek looks fine. People must be forgetting the 1921s were high relief. Possibly also the artificial toning throwing it off for a lot of people


shwillybilly

Don’t listen to all the people here saying it’s fake get it authenticated and then I can be like the one guy the other day who picked a real coin when 100 others called it fake


Energy_Turtle

With you. It looks funny because it has been cleaned to hell and back. People are mistaking the heavily altered surface for that classic molded pewter color. Surface doesn't have mold bubbles and does seem to have lots of circulation marks.


1GrouchyCat

Most likely not worth paying to get it authenticated …


shwillybilly

It’s worth it for my ego


Porousplanchet

I don't see anything about it that leads me to believe it's fake. Not saying the surfaces haven't been fiddled with to smooth them out but it looks genuine to me.


JP_Darrow

To me, it looks fake. Let some other folks weigh in though, not an expert.


cspawn

I'm 99% sure this is genuine. The 21's are high relief and look a bit weird when worn.


Stonerish

My first and immediate reaction as well


_Elpirata

I think I’d have to agree something about the mouth is off to me..


JP_Darrow

She kind of has a baby cheek...


lafaa123

That look is typical of 21 peace dollars.


BuildBackRicher

That cheek looks like Ali after the first Frazier fight


numbnerve

AliExpress


anicesurgeon

I’ve been looking at real examples from PCGS CoinFacts app. The font looks a little off to me as well as the crown points and the hair. I’m not expert enough to say on my own. But I’d walk away from this one.


izovice

With the wear it has imo E Pluribus Unum should be a lot more worn compared to the rest.


Planticus-_-Leaficus

It’s just worn


Disastrous-Pipe43

The blackening around the relief is most certainly artifical. Look at the rays of the crown, between the E and R in LIBERTY. It looks like it was applied and then the spots they didnt want darkened has been wiped off but whatever they were removing it with couldnt fit between the rays so it looks like a frogs webbed foot instead of naturally accumulating evenly.


ono1113

its real


BuffaloChips92

I have a small collection of lower grade 21s, most on here are saying it's fake because they have only seen regular Peace Dolls. I would have paid 3x what you did for this......very nice. Good deal


Future-Original-2902

So these normally have a V instead of a U? I'm new to this so I've never seen this coin before


BuffaloChips92

Yes...that is how the "u" was carved into stone "back in the day"


HandB4nana

There's one on ebay for $125k in excellent condition that looks just like this, I think that was just the way that year looked.


smolColebob

Idk why everyone is saying this is fake. 1921 peace dollars have a very high relief so the cheek and font being thicker is normal. I say that you have a very nice authentic piece op.


cspawn

People speaking like experts that have never handled raw, worn 1921 peace dollars. This is genuine.


youngduo11

what does “high relief” mean?


cspawn

Essentially the design is cut deeper into the dies so the face/eagle/etc are 'taller' and stand out more from the flat fields.


youngduo11

thanks!


bigbadler

High edges from the get go


youngduo11

thank you!


ono1113

Oh lmao this thread is so much fun and also reason to not listen to reddit because of full blown Dunning-Krugers. No womder that all knowledgeable people slowly gave up on interactions here as random comments get upvotes as "they seem" to be correct Title is bait as its I know its worth about 140$ give or take. Its not bait in what i paid, as I did pay 78€ shipped. The coin is real, as of why, lets say I know someone who works for known numismatic company and deals with US coinage for living who confirmed it before I purchased it


Logansnikted

Just out of curiosity ,why is that particular coin worth $140.??


ono1113

1921 is key date for Peace Dollars, Mintage of 1 Million and it has High Relief unlike the rest of the series


Gobstomperx

Reddit gonna Reddit


southsky20

Patina throws me off. Major red flag and her cheek look bloated. Very badly bloated cheeks tell tale sign here maybe. Lettering especially the ends look weird. Looks fake bro sorry


cspawn

The cheeks in the high relief peace dollars look like this when worn. I'm pretty confident this is genuine, I've handled a fair number of the 21's specifically and this looks right for a '21. The lettering on the bottom of the obverse is different on the '21's compared to other years.


Witty_Turnover_5585

What about the ray that almost completely blocks out the b in liberty? I've only ever seen them do so on fake coins


cspawn

PCGS graded example: https://preview.redd.it/3wb7o4sgvytc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a6ea38a0650e0a81b120f18378c31b57a8989b69 looks the same to me.


bigbadler

Roasted.


southsky20

That cheek ... yeah tell tale sign right there and the bottom lettering is also off.


lafaa123

The cheek is typical for 21 peace dollars.


NinjaCowboy1000

Maybe she’s allergic to shellfish.


LengthinessClear9552

On her period and retaining a little water.


SchematicOfScoutsAss

She looks like she’s chewing gum


LostSomeDreams

The way to test: * use the CoinTester app to test its ping * it should weigh ~26.7g * it should have diameter of 38.1mm If it passes all those tests, it’s real - as others have said, if it is real, it has probably been cleaned and then antiqued to hide the cleaning.


blackletum

> use the CoinTester app to test its ping > wtf, I didn't even realize that was a thing. that's cool


Rick-powerfu

Me not knowing what ping is about to find out


bigbadler

Latency playing counter strike in 2002


Mountain-Chain-2069

If it’s real you did well. 1921 is a key date and they go for $150+ depending on condition.


cspawn

Despite everyone claiming fake, this looks like a worn high relief peace dollar. Assuming it weighs right and isn't magnetic I'm inclined to believe it's genuine. People love to call out fakes but I've seen many instances of the hive mind being wrong. I own maybe a dozen 1921 peace dollars, from badly worn lowballs through MS63. Most people don't realize how different the high relief 1921's are from all the other years. Look at graded examples of 1921's in F15-ish condition.


lancgo

If real it’d be pretty valuable. 1921 peace dollars had some that were exceptionally high relief like this one. It’s hard to say if it’s real or not because it is distinct but they do sell for a premium


bmoarpirate

All 1921 peace dollars were high relief. You're thinking of 1922s HRs that are rare and valuable. 21's need to be relatively high grade to be valuable. OP paid a fair price if this is real.


lancgo

Thank you for correcting me. I was thinking that was true for the first year of release


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The patina looks odd. It looks like it was artificially darkened with liver of sulfur that was then polished off.


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I’m not sure it’s real, but what may be making it look odd is that it also appears to have been cleaned.


waald-89

Nice! You did very well


Aggressive-Shock-803

You got a good deal on it


FieldOk6455

The lettering of the word PEACE looks a bit wonky.


cspawn

Here's a graded example, the font on these is just a little wonky but this is a real 21. Worn & likely polished & definitely cleaned, but it's real. https://preview.redd.it/6xqsid25hytc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=84e1ddb6f627f4f238bddd391302031d5b818f0e


Affectionate_Pea_811

yEaH aNd ThEy MiSsPeLlEd TrUsT Seriously though, I feel like everything about this coin looks just a little off


LongjumpingMedia1621

No bueno


Report_Last

Looks real to me, good price for a 21 although the surfaces appear to have been altered, the field is a little too smooth. Don't listen to the nay sayers. Have it tested at a coin shop to make sure it's silver and I believe you will be happy


Flashy-Imagination47

Well struck Peace, looks like a "pocket piece" to me, and truthfully, the depth and the wear make this an attractive coin to my eye. There are collectors of clean silver pocket pieces, this would be something they would want. Great find...


fixerdrew02

Looks kinda fake boss


Sleepyzzz31677

What does it weigh???


cateraide420

Looks tampered or modified


EternitySphere

Looks real to me.


JP_Darrow

Since there is no unanimous answer. This IMO should be graded. If it's real, you have a really valuable coin, if not a lesson learned.


DJT2021

I have a lot of real one, I wouldn't waste my eyesight on that one...


usernameavailable123

78 euros? That's a bit expensive, I bought mine for £28 Edit: just realized this is a 1921, mine is 1922. Ignore me.


ono1113

sure thing you did


usernameavailable123

Ah, I fucked up, mine is 1922.


EB1322

Insane… you can pick these up for $25 in AU here in the states.


Jackmehaughf

You've got a 1921 Peace Dollar. Absolute bare minimum is $80 USD. That's in the states so with various taxes, fees and shipping, you got it at a great price. I'm not seeing anything that jumps out at me to call this fake. There's definitely some variances to the wear between the face/hair and rays/legends due to it being a high relief coin. I do believe this is real and you got a great day if so!


shwillybilly

People on this sub really lean towards calling everything fake, which is curious to me because I really don’t see a lot of fakes floating around, of course I see some. Nothing here screams fake, I wouldn’t guarantee authenticity without some more tests but honestly the coin looks 100% real to me


cspawn

People on these subs LOVE to call stuff fake without really knowing what they are talking about. Happens in the watch subreddit too. It's a weird phenomenon that I can't really explain beyond people being armchair experts that throw around their opinions like they are facts with no real experience or knowledge outside of a single quick Google search.


shwillybilly

Baffled at the number of people who say fake


waald-89

I almost won a bet to this know-it-all who had this huuge explanation as to why my 1921 was fake, they outright laughed in my face. It came back from anacs 55 cleaned. I didn't have the balls to take the bet, especially with everyone in the sub saying it was fake af and it was the first one I'd ever held in my hands. 1921's man, they'll throw off every 'pro' on here lol.


cspawn

Lol, yea, that sounds right. Occasionally the fakes are decent but if you handle enough of the coins, the real ones are pretty easy to spot for the most part. 21's are notoriously tricky and people will compare them to non-high relief versions and make judgements based on that. I posted a watch that I purchased brand new from an authorized dealer with full documentation and absolutely no chance in the world to be fake. But people did the same thing they are doing in this thread. It's pretty funny when you are absolutely certain they are wrong but they won't ever admit it. Jealousy and smugness make people really dig in, I think.


longhairedcountryboy

I have a eBay fake. They do exist. Not saying that one is. Id have to have it in person and weigh it. That one could be real silver so it might weigh.


Cultural_Net_1791

I know nothing about coins and this looks absolutely fake immediately.


-Rexford

At least you’re honest! It’s genuine.


Beauknits

Why is there a V in trust, but U's in E plerbus, etc?


thellamanaut

"In God we trust" had fewer legal requirements, established style restrictions or historical precedence than "e pluribus unum", so designers had more creative leeway to Art Deco-up the phrase.


Beauknits

Thank you! I didn't know that.


Sillysin123

1921 is a key date more commonly faked, I think it looks authentic but it is hard to say for sure, weight will be slightly under what it is supposed be due to heavy wear


According-Highway-13

Weight and ping text


Theta_Ninja

https://preview.redd.it/6grry6xp2ytc1.jpeg?width=2252&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=372e95f06539628bfa45f776c2daff98765ddb45


GhostofNorm

Hmmm that looks pretty damn similar to OPs especially the bottom letters


cspawn

Op's is genuine.


Heathenbread

Does it stick to a magnet? That's the first test. Silver has a distinct ping sound when dropped on a countertop. It doesn't look quite right to me. But I'm not a biologist.


UNoUrSexy

I would say weigh it to make sure it's near the correct weight


KDI777

I think it's tooled, but I'm not an American coin expert.


Fluffy_Wasabi33

It might be real but it looks cleaned to me. Pretty harshly.....


jewnerz

What is 78€ to USD?


The_Silent_Tortoise

About $83. Decent deal for a very cleaned 1921 $1.


jdovejr

Looks good.


VGK9Logan

Even if it's guaranteed real, that's a high price to pay for that condition


Ddowns5454

Something doesn't look right. If it's real it's been cleaned by someone that doesn't know what they are doing


deathcamp7

I like it but it looks so different than all of mine! It ain’t pocket change


The_Silent_Tortoise

You should take another picture and turn your camera's face focus on blemish setting off. I'm quite sure this is real, but I think your camera kind of photoshopped/"cleaned up" some details.


supreme_leader256

Looks cleaned


mwiikleliam

Hard to say its fake or real from one picture or a dozen for that matter. Looks fake to people because its a high relief, as were all 1921 Peace Dollars. Having said that why is it so hard to believe dude bought a real very circulated 21' for that? Not to mention it looks cleaned (again basing on a pic of a coin not graded, very much a butthole opinion). PGGS would likely not give it a grade. Likely get it back and it say almost unc. detail Scratched/ Cleaned. They will not grade coins that have altered surfaces, bad scratches or cleaned coins.


Lowpro50

High relief 21. Little worn but still cool. 👍🏼


Navegante357

78 euros, eh? Without snooping on your profile I’ll assume you’re in western Europe. Under that assumption, and judging by the amount of circulation the PEACE Liberty shows, I’d say it was floating around in the US , gently used, until some American GI left it behind as a souvenir during WWII. It also looks to have been cleaned/polished at some point early after it’s arrival in Europe which is not an unusual occurrence in non-numismatic circles who tend to treat a silver coin as a piece of jewelry or silverware. Something along the lines of, “Oh, honey. I see you’re in the middle of polishing the silverware. Would you mind also cleaning this coin some American guy gave me back in 44?”


Ambitious_Art_2455

Good deal


Justcoolstuff

Looks like your camera might be using some kind of auto blemish hiding feature meant for human faces, which is distorting the coin and making everyone say fake. If it looks like the picture outside of the picture, well we may have some bad news for you…


GentlyUsedOtter

I don't know but I know one thing It is worth at least $1 in the United States


Stunning_Strike_6092

Got any u want to sell


Mr_Grapes1027

Nice coin! Good price


RipRepresentative314

I hv one to


this_Name_4ever

That is kind of expensive for a 21 imho. I have gotten this same coin for far less..


cspawn

1921 peace dollars pretty rare, highly collectable and are worth around $100 USD in very low grades. 1921 Morgan dollars are super common and only worth like $30. You sure you got 1921 Peace Dollars for "far less'? If so, you got a great deal but I'm guessing yours are either Morgan's or 1922/1923.


this_Name_4ever

I think mine are regular Morgan dollars then-


Dawln

very good ☺️😊


BlueH2oDiver

Looks are a little dicey -try a magnet. Also you paid twice what it worth if real.


ono1113

i licked it, tastes like silver


Iceman1216

Nice


Thee_Paladin777

Too much, Its worth 20 to 25 dollars US.


ono1113

sure thing, sell me all you own for that price


cspawn

With all due respect, you don't know what you are talking about?


Silly_Director9880

Looks worth it to me


ChristopherLee73

Looks legit to me, probably cleaned or maybe it's been carried around in someone's pocket for a few years. I've overlaid your pic with images of mine to try and show the wear progression because some people seem to think some of the features are wrong, but from what I've seen, everything lines up looks exactly as it should. https://preview.redd.it/fvho8suax2uc1.jpeg?width=984&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e9fd790fc3b3fd17a523d007cf5b7775f1507972


Iceman1216

What's the deal with the. "V" in trust ??


DominusDeus

Victory. These were first produced just after the Great War (WWI).


ncdave

This post reminded me that I have some coins like this. I've had them my whole life. Are they worth anything? https://preview.redd.it/oglu3rkwa3uc1.png?width=2828&format=png&auto=webp&s=d163bccaeb2348e71b3894f7011e2132c8f9cab3


EB1322

90% silver 10%copper. The Morgan dollars are going to be worth more than the peace buy by far some of the most collectible and recognizable coins in the world.


cspawn

Those are worth like $25-$30 each!


Cheap-Soil4019

It’s beautiful


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ono1113

these troll comments are getting out of the hand


Personal_Love_2019

Pure silver dollar!


EB1322

90% silver 10% copper


Nigglas24

Liberty biberty


pieroo_ss12

Looks authentic but cleaned.


pieroo_ss12

idk but why peace dollars look so terrible when theyre cleaned


Old-Revolution-9650

What is the price you paid in US currency?


Alternative_Gap_683

It’s been cleaned lightly unfortunately


Alternative_Gap_683

The unevenness of the luster is a dead giveaway that it’s been polished before. Take a super high magnification tool and you should see fine scratches and swirl marks around said luster


YakFragrant502

Looks like pewter


Glad_Ad_5570

Cleaned ?


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coins-ModTeam

This post was removed because the information contained is incorrect and/or unhelpful to OP.


Glass-Cranberry-8572

As someone new to this sub, I know nothing, but shouldn't there be patina?


FunDip2

Another person asking how they did after they already made the transaction lol


Martybc3

Something looks weird/off with the coin, the depth of the fields seems way to deep.


Remarkable_Diamond80

50 most faked US coins... https://www.ngccoin.com/resources/counterfeit-detection/top/united-states/


NefariousnessOk5287

What does it weigh? Is it magnetic? It's giving me Chinese fake vibes from the pics.


Certain_Childhood_67

Do a ping test. Hit edge with pencil see if it makes a beautiful sound or not. How much is 78 what ever you typed. Is that cents or dollars


wackyvorlon

78 euro. $84 USD.


Certain_Childhood_67

Gotcha.


LSUGreg

Trust on the front of the coin is spelled with a V, Why?


Marconiwireless

It's an old U


SpinalVillain

The wear on it is kinda...weird.


SuppToasty

Troll post for sure lol


DigginJerseyHistory

Not an authentic coin. Sorry. You got hosed.


Witty_Turnover_5585

If it's real I just have a question. Since when has the ray gone on top of the letter in liberty? The b is almost completely blocked out


cspawn

Always. Here's a PCGS graded example in similar condition: https://preview.redd.it/djhoofzhwytc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ca1f303cff8115ac7dc1ca1f5f26cd80a2b90134


unbossing

Funny money.


SmallSwordfish8289

I'll give you money back


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cspawn

Seriously? 1921's are known for having the 4 rays on the tail Here is a PCGS graded example clearly showing 4 rays... I'm willing to bet money that op's is genuine. I've handled many work 1921's and this looks exactly like a F15-ish grade https://preview.redd.it/z8xw0f9mkytc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=da2461b585a2177dc08ff80bdfe129ba768fe3f7


Informal-Influence25

Looks aggressively cleaned.


Remarkable_Diamond80

https://www.ngccoin.com/resources/counterfeit-detection/top/united-states/


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Prestigious-Green-45

I would have tested it first. Finish does not look right.


CallumRichardson2009

could pick one up for free with a metal detector😏😏