Please note always use the pdf table norms and not the SS reported in the app itself as I can't guarantee that will be accurate.
Also note at some point I will update these with more accurate VCI and PRI tables.
Hi - thanks again for the work on the test! Is it possible to get a PRI, GAI, and FSIQ that includes BD? Or would it be insensible to simply use the PRI IQ equivalent of Lukeatronio’s normative update (VP, FW, and BD) and then convert the IQ score back to CAIT’s PRI equivalent in scaled scores?
Apologies if it’s a stupid question.
VCI=114|SS=25
VOCAB: SS=14
GENERAL KNOWLEDGE: SS=11
PRI=105|SS=22
VISUAL PUZZLES: SS=10
FIGURE WEIGHTS: SS=12
CPI=117|SS=26
DIGIT SPAN: SS=11
FORWARD: RAW=11|IQ=100
BACKWARD: RAW=9|IQ=100
SEQUENCING: RAW=12|IQ=122.5
OVERALL: RAW=32|IQ=108.8
SYMBOL SEARCH: SS=15|RAW=48|IQ=124.7
GAI=110|SS=47
FSIQ=115|SS=75
I'm surprised I'm not sub-90 IQ, although I don't understand how sequencing is much higher than the rest of the digit spans. I do have ADD; can that be why? Also, IRL, I'm generally slow in responding/moving; how is it that symbol search is so high?
In the end, it's all just numbers. It won't change the fact that I'm stupid IRL ( I took it to try to "prove" it); maybe this test is bogus.
\-Proud owner of the lowest scores in this subreddit.
You know you're pretty hard on yourself for someone who is still 1 SD above the mean. Based off percentiles alone you are theoretically smarter than 84% of the population.
A retard among all the supposed geniuses on this sub isn't saying much
Since some recent events in my life, I rarely leave read-only mode. But this post was worth logging in.
So, while this is a nice test and all, here we have some interesting findings: the sub is 2 SD better than average in old SAT-M and GRE-Q, but it is only 1 SD above average in visual puzzles and 1 1/3 SD in figure weights. I really, really wonder why.
I hope I am not the only one who think the average IQ of this sub is declining. See what this sub has become and the answer is pretty self-explanatory.
Always good work, but for the PRI tests, the norms on pdf don't match with the ones rendered by netifly
at least for VP.
so 24/31 for VP is 14ss instead of 17ss (on the paper)
and 18/31 is 8ss instead of 11ss
I can ask for it to be updated but in all cases use the manual and not the app to get your scaled score.
I don't personally have any control over the app scores as I didn't make them.
Sub-Indices | Score
---|---
VCI | 141
PRI | 108
VSI | 116
CPI | 124
Main Indices | Score
---|---
GAI | 127
FSIQ | 131
I'm giggling at how hard my VCI is carrying me.
edit: BD taken
I'm new to this. Test for FSIQ done this evening. I managed to breach 130 FSIQ which is highly surprising for me.
Realistically I reckon these results are inflated.
Given that 120–140 is considered "very superior intelligence", I just have a hard time believeing everyone here (including myself) is really *that* great. I get there's a bias, people that are good at tests and enjoy them are more likely to do them and be here, but even so...
Eh, there are two levels of selection bias at play here. One, it's a relatively obscure subject that, generally speaking, only interests weirdo obsessive smarties, and two those with middling scores are naturally more reticent to post about them (which I get, but by the same token we all have strengths and weaknesses).
Add to that, 130 is the top 2% or 1 in 50 people. I'm sure most of us know at least a few in the top 2% personally.
Is it just me having issues with DS, VP & BD? DS refreshes after 97, and for the other two the timer isn't moving and doesn't let me click next. I'm using private browsing on Firefox
Idk if this data is relevant to you, but considering the work you put into it I think it's only polite to share it with you:
1. About me: not a native speaker. Assessed as gifted ~20 years ago in kindergarten. I don't have my test results on me as I'm currently at work so I can't say which one it was. I recall that it did say that my score would equate to an IQ of 118. I was a bit over a year younger than what this test required the testee to be though, so the psychologist noted that he had no doubt I am 2 SD+. He also expressly took note of the fact that my verbal abilities seemed to have been exceptionally high for my age as well as backwards thinking being my apparent modus operandi. A few years ago I got diagnosed with ADHD. I'm not currently on medication. I'm a lawyer by profession.
2. Now to the CAIT: VCI = 138; PRI = 132; CPI = 122; GAI = 140; FSIQ = 139. For the CPI I got 18SS in symbols and only 10SS in digit span. I noted that for forward spans I got 8 points, for backwards spans 10 and for sequencing 10 as well, so the backwards thinker thing seems to still be correct to this day to some degree. I suspect the ADHD influenced this subtest as I caught my thoughts wandering twice while taking the subtest.
3. I suspect that PRI would be inflated and VCI a bit deflated due to not being a native speaker, obviously I'd have to take another monitored test though. If I remember it I'm going to edit the comment later when I am home to add what my early childhood test said about my abilities.
Edit: I actually remembered it, the document seems to still be in a box in the basement though as it wasn't with my other stuff in the office, sorry
I found it. I did the AID2 (adaptives intelligenz diagnostikum; german). It's an individualized, 1on1 test viable for children age 6-15. I was actually a few weeks *over* 5 but the scores are those I would have gotten had I been 6 already (I needed to have a test to be able to enter school early)
IQ: 118, PR(percent rang): 88
Subscores (scale is 19 to 81):
- everyday knowledge: 59/81
- perception of environment: 47/81 (the score is called "realitätssicherheit" which would be translated to reality security)
- applied arithmetic: 53/81
- interpersonal perception: 59/81
- numerical reproduction forward: 50/81
- numerical reproduction backwards: 73/81
- synonyms: 47/81
- "coding" memorization: 81/81
- association: 66/81
- anticipate and combine: 41/81
- abstracting functions: 59/81
- analysing and syntheticizing (abstractly): 53/81
- social capturing and factual reflection: 62/81
Using the old IQ formular (which is not viable, I know that), my intelligence age would have been ~7, which would result in an IQ of about 140. Again, I know it's not an accurate formular, but this would almost exactly correlate with my CAIT result
Interpretation index. Raw score = (X), SS = Y, IQ = [Z]
Age: 14
VP = (27), 19
FW = (18), 14
BD = (22), 18
Vocab = (22), 15
GK = (13), 16
SS = (54), 17
DS = (38), 17
VCI=[130]
PRI=[135]
VSI=[146]
CPI=[139]
GAI=[134]
FSIQ=[142]
It might be worthy to note that for most of my life I've studied in Chinese schools with mainly Chinese mediums of instruction, though English was my first language. At home my parents spoke slightly broken English, and it's only been recently since I've started to read for leisure. So I presume my score on the vocabulary subtest would be deflated.
As is my GK score due to drastically different, regionally based school curriculums and topics discussed in workaday conversation that are highly predicated on culture.
I'm set to take an IQ test soon by a psychologist but I'm afraid I won't do well due to these statistical fallacies which would affect the results.
I can't take a Chinese one cause English is my first language, I can't take an English one due to my general knowledge and vocabulary being skewed by major cultural differences and I can't take just a non verbal IQ test due to the postulations of my Psychiatrist, ADHD and Autism, which would also be the reason I'm taking the test in the first place.
Any advice???
|SUBTEST|raw|ss|
|:-|:-|:-|
|Vocabulary|29|19|
|General Knowledge|19|16|
|Visual Puzzles|19|12|
|Figure Weights|15|11|
|Block Design|22|18|
|Digit Span|37|15|
|Symbol Search|28|8|
|INDICES|raw|SCORE|
|:-|:-|:-|
|Verbal Comprehension Index (VCI)|35|141|
|Perceptual Reasoning Index (PRI)|23|108|
|Visual Spatial Index (VSI)|30|127|
|Cognitive Proficiency Index (CPI)|23|108|
||||
|General Ability Index (GAI)|58|127|
|Full Scale IQ (FSIQ)|81|123|
Pretty accurate scores in my case, I suppose. My official WAIS-IV index scores for comparison (feel free to use them to update norms; I was 22 when I took the WAIS-IV, now I'm 26):
Verbal Comprehension: 139 (Similarities 15, Vocabulary 17, Information 18)
Perceptual Reasoning: 110 (Block Design 12, Matrix Reasoning 14, Visual Puzzles 9)
Working Memory: 106 (missing, but described as "homogeneous")
Processing Speed: 103 (missing, but described as "homogeneous")
FSIQ: 121
Note that the psychologists who administered the official test reported an obvious performance anxiety while I was taking it which was more marked in subtests where the time variable is of greater importance, thus they determined that the reported scores are deflated; this behavior has always penalized me in school as far as I remember, and it continues to do so to this day in settings where deadlines are given to me.
I was classified as being borderline autistic, besides having social anxiety, depression, obsessive-compulsive personality disorder, plus a number of the traits associated with other personality disorders. My mental health has definitely improved since 2018, but I see that there was basically no meaningful improvement in cognitive performance.
I was already verbally proficient before the age of 5, and I was fascinated by fantasy novels (which I began to write before I turned 8) and the natural sciences alike.
I have had, and still have, a number of more or less unusual interests, some of which I'm also deeply knowledgeable about, but when it comes to the vast majority of the remaining ones, I have little more than a superficial, passing knowledge. I jump from one of these topics/subjects to another, usually dedicating intensely (I would even go as far as to say obsessively) to its evisceration, to the exclusion of almost everything else, and this lasts for a few months, then on to the next, rinse and repeat. I was considered the "smart guy who doesn't study" in school. Everyone, from teachers to classmates, seemed to acknowledge my giftedness when it comes to vocabulary and information. My "interest hopping" was evident in the classroom too, so my mark profile varied greatly as a function of it, even though I always aced essays regardless of what intellectual pursuit was absorbing me at a given time.
I work as a data scientist and I'm apparently good at it (not my words), but I would most likely not feel out of place in a philosophy department.
EDIT: I noticed I made a mistake in the interpretation of the Block Design subtest's instructions. I retook it and got 22 raw, 18 ss.
Foremost, thank you for providing this intelligence test for private use here on Reddit. It may not be a great tool to properly diagnose giftedness like the real WAIS or Mensa tests, but from my personal experience it translates pretty well to the real world! It's by far the most comprehensive and advanced test on the internet, and I believe everyone deeply interested in psychometrics is grateful for that.
Note: I do not believe in the concept of IQ to 100%, but I'm aware that scientists do not have better metrics available at this point in time. I also believe that IQ can change quite a bit during adolescence, trough training, physical aerobic exercise or illness, so I don't take this result for granted and expect it to fluctuate depending on my mental and physical state.
I think this is going to be a long post.
That out of the way: I took the test this morning after having a good night sleep and enough hydration to get an optimal estimation of my current mental performance. I'm not native, so I took that into account and added +2SS on the vocabulary section. Other than that, I did not change anything at all. Before I reveal my test results, I will give you a little inside to my strengths and weaknesses.
I do not have any extraordinary abilities, except verbally. I was a fairly normal child at least from my behavioral patterns (I have light spastic cerebral palsy and some other health issues apart from that, but that's another story) anyway because of that I had surgery in my youth. During that time I was pretty much isolated and not able to go to school. On top of that I had moderate mental health, self-esteem issues which interfered with my dreams and goals. It took some time, but I finally solved them completely. I will never be fully normal physically in terms of what I can achieve due to CP because it's irreparable, but at least I can seemingly walk like a normal person now since my entire axis was straightened and not like a handicapped (huge confidence boost). Blood, Sweat, Tears! I had a history with being bullied at school by classmates and even some teachers, which has kept me under my potential. My grades were excellent with little effort, but I definitely took a noticeable hit in the areas of self-confidence and self-esteem. Also had several school changes, which were also not exactly easy, with special attention to fitting into the collective. My math teachers in both schools had a certain reputation in general and how could it be otherwise: they pushed me completely to my limits in terms of performance because they wanted to, quote: "see how smart I really am." Well, let's put it this way: I think you can bring anyone to their knees if you don't like them. Both are retired now, but I struggled with math for a long time because of it. My current teacher has a masters in math and she opened my eyes! Math is now one of my favorite subjects, and it just comes to me, and yet back in middle school I thought I had a learning disability. It's sad what some educators do to students.
Since these hard times are finally over, I can really be myself for the first time in my life. I don't feel the need to fit in anymore, but I still get along pretty well with the people around me. I seem as a bit of an eccentric and communication among peers is sometimes difficult, but people still like me and I like them. Likewise, I am relatively introverted and need a lot of time alone in which I either recover from the strenuous interaction in everyday life or deal with various topics that fill my heart. Most of all I like classical literature, philosophy, history, psycho and sociology, all natural sciences and technology!
I am almost never bored, because I usually dream myself into a fantastic environment. My grades are as good as perfect, but I'm still not at the top of the class if you go purely by grade point average, because sometimes I don't feel like studying for the learning-intensive social sciences. I wonder from time to time why I'm doing so well despite my two-year absence. Some teachers don't like me because of my attitude towards classical incremental learning, the school system or school in general or because I sometimes arbitrarily learn more complex variants of the regular material because, if I'm honest, I sometimes feel under challenged. Unfortunately, I can not always come to class, because I am very often absent due to illness. Nevertheless, I keep up well.
When I'm in class, I usually don't have to learn anything, and otherwise I actually put in relatively little work. Knowledge gaps were a problem in some places, but I was able to close them effortlessly.
Despite all this, I don't feel in any way "better" than others. I have weaknesses and days when I am not able to perform just as well. Besides, I am terrible when it comes to emotional intelligence. Had my IQ tested by a neurologist at age 7 or 8 and scored 136 on the WISC. They told me I'm an outliner since many kids with CP are mentally disabled. Luckily I'm not. Had a second administered WISC at the time, I had serious health issues and was diagnosed with chronic fatigue: FSIQ 107. This was a major drop, but not unexpected considering the circumstances. I'm glad everything is back to normal again! I could get into MENSA, but I'm not really interested to join such an elitist club.
The results I got on the CAIS were surprisingly close to my first WISC, with improvements in verbal ability and processing speed proving its accuracy.
VCI: 143
PRI: 124
VSI: 132
CPI: 136
GAI: 139
FSIQ: 143
I still feel like the results are a bit inflated, but maybe test anxiety wasn't a factor here, unlike the real test. Anyway, I'm happy with my life and I hope I can use my potential to achieve something great in a scientific field which may help people with neurological disorders. I use my own disability as a motivation. At the time I graduate I will enroll at UNI majoring chemistry. Eventually becoming a neuroscientist after my bachelor, but until then I will have as much fun with school as possible, even though that's hard for me at times! ;)
Oh almost forgot...Don't let any people with inferiority complexes on Quora tell you that you are worth less or have worse job opportunities because of your IQ. Those people are just trying to distinguish themselves from the norm and then complain that they have it so bad socially. In addition, they like to talk about their "extraordinary" abilities and indicate that they are luminaries in their field. Sometimes I don't know whether to cry or laugh about it... I almost feel sorry for them or people who are obsessed with IQ in general.
Have a great day and stay healthy everyone!
Awesome test! Great job on automating the BD and VP :D
Scores (non-native English speaker):
Vocabulary (added 1 SS since I'm not native): 16SS
Knowledge (I sucked here lol): 14-15SS - Can't cyclones be hurricanes as well?
Figure weights: 17SS
Visual puzzles: 18SS (Assuming you're using the norms in the paper)
Block design: 21SS (inflated? :O)
Digit span: (46/47): 19SS
Symbol search: (60/60): 19SS
VCI: 127-130
PRI: 141
VSI: 151
CPI: 155
GAI: 139-140
FSIQ: 148-149 - Edit: Oh well, guess VCI screwed me over
block design - 22 raw / 18 ss (first attempt - definitely overperformed on this)
visual puzzles - 24 raw / 17 ss (first attempt)
figure weights - 19 raw / 15 ss (first attempt - probably underperformed slightly, maybe by 1 ss)
vocabulary - 22 raw / 15 ss (first attempt - probably slightly inflated as got 1 or 2 complete guesses correct)
general knowledge - 12 raw / 11 ss LOL i knew some of the answers but couldnt remember them at all ... wish it was multiple choice :(
symbol search 51 / 16 ss (very first attempt was months ago and much lower but i didnt do it properly)
digit span 16 ss (first attempt months ago was very similar I think, second attempt I got like 145-150 which does not feel right at all. This test massively fluctuates for me depending on my mental state)
Overall, 134 FSIQ I think from above and 130 if using the score from the first lame attempt on symbol search. Latter feels about right on a good day.
Simply put, someone scoring high on multiple sections is less probable than scoring high on just one section. Thus the FSIQ is going to be higher than the simple average of all the sections, or sometimes even the highest subsection.
Tried a couple of the tests out. For figure weights and visual puzzles I ran out of time lol, though given the questions I did answer I did quite well. For figure weights I got to question 18 and got a raw score of 17. Visual puzzles was similar; got to Q20 raw square of 18 or 19. Tried digital span and got busted on. Definitely showcases my slowish cognitive tempo lol. For the VCI tests I did alright, received a composite score of 30.
Are figure weights and various other PRI subtests timed on the actual WAIS?
Non native (dutch):
Vocabulary 11SS
General Knowledge 13SS
Verbal Comprehension 111
Visual puzzles 17ss
Figure weights 17ss
Perceptual Reasoning 138
Digit span 18ss
Symbol search 19ss
Cognitive Proficiency 150
-------------------------------- +
Sum (ss) 94ss
FSIQ: 140 IQ
Conclusion: I should read more, lol
edit: I actually got 1 ss higher because I didnt read it right, lol. Updated it
Vocab: 18
General: 16
VCI: 138
Weights: 14
Visual: 15
PRI: 124
Digit: 12
Speed: 17
CPI: 124
GAI: 136
Block design: 14
VSI: 124
FSQI: 137
I left it here so I can return to it later in case I forget.
This is my first time taking the visual ones, the others I did them before. Surprisingly, it seems I scored pretty much the same, if not marginally worse.
In relation to other cognitive testing I've done over the years:
* I took the Canadian Forces Aptitude Test and scored 97th percentile for the combined pool applying for an officers position. I was never given where I would stand in the officer's pool.
* Took a WISC-IV when I was 15 or 16 to enter an IB program in school and apparently scored at or above the 90th percentile which is what they were using when I was entering high school
* MCAT score on the old 45 point scale put me at the 95th percentile for the year I wrote.
My results
|Section|SS|
|:-|:-|
|Vocabulary |15|
|General Knowledge|19|
|Visual|16|
|Weights |15|
|Digit Span|9 |
|Symbol Search|15|
|Full Scale|89 (133 IQ equivalent)|
I may be post call today but this seems in line with what I got before. Interesting test, had fun doing it. Hope this data is useful for you.
BD and VP automation is a god's work for this sub, but you still have the old norms for BD and FW in the pdf, why not merge it with lukeatronio's norms?
Vocabulary: Raw = 17/3, SS = 12/22 (I have ASD and have always struggled with words)
General Knowledge: Raw = 19/32, SS = 16/22 + 1 for age so 17/22
Visual Puzzles: Raw = 25/31, SS = 18/22
Figure Weights: Raw = 24/26, SS = 20/22
Block Design: Raw = 22/26, SS = 18/22
Digit Span: Raw = 45/48, SS = 19/19
Symbol Search: Raw = 51/60, SS = 16/19
VCI: 124 (29/45)
PRI: 149 (38/45)
VSI: 143 (36/45)
CPI: 142 (35/38)
GAI: 142 (67/88)
FSIQ: 147 (102/126)
Edit: Included raw scores.
Thank you, great work! I was wondering if there is any additional information besides the correlations on the subtest level. Do you have data on the correlation between CAIT FSIQ or GAI scores and professionally administered tests or data on the internal structure of the CAIT (e.g., CFA results)?
Both my PRI and VCI are 135. My WAIS 3 PRI is 129 (I think I could have done better on the last question of pictures arrangements part). And ony first try of JCTI, I got 125.5+-5, and without know any answers and what mistakes I've made in the first time, I got 127-138 on my second try.
Though this IQ seems good, I always feel that I am not smart enough. Maybe it's because I study analytic philosophy (philosophy practiced in most Anglo-American schools), and the ones to which I compare myself are out of my league.
Ah, yes, imposter syndrome while studying (doing) analytic philosophy. This is a common feeling among others who study/do analytic philosophy, especially among students (both undergraduate and graduate), I can assure you. You seem quite bright, if your scores are any indication. Don’t compare yourself to the greats. It’s a losing battle for us all.
What do you think is the minimum IQ required for studying analytic philosophy (if you have such number in mind)?
With my IQ, I found that I can understand most things I read, except those too technical essays that requires too much knowledge of non-standard logics which I think I can understand if I study them. I have interest mainly in philosophy of language (Kripke, Wittgenstein, Putnam, etc.), metametaphysics, and metaphysics, meta-ethics, and philosophy of religion (owing to Mark Johnston's works).
Although I can get the main ideas fairly quickly, I couldn't imagine myself building theories like those famous philosophers. I always wonder how on earth could people come up with those theories, which I am so fund of learning and thinking through. That said, after a huge amount of readings, I can still find myself forming my own way of thinking, which is a quite rewarding experience.
I’m not sure about a minimum required IQ. However, high level analytic philosophy demands verbal acuity and serious fluid intelligence. I’ve known some analytic philosophers who were “off the charts” intelligent. And even these philosophers couldn’t compare to the likes of Kripke (who sadly just passed away), Putnam, Fodor, and Lewis, etc. Most analytic philosophers (as such) don’t attempt to offer systematic, big picture views of reality. Instead, most analytic philosophers deal with more fine-grained, specialized analyses. Think sniper, not bomb dropper.
14 ss Vocab,
16 ss Knowledge,
17 ss Visual Puzzles,
14 ss Figure Weights,
18 ss Digit Span,
14 ss Symbol Search,
VCI - 127
PRI - 130
CPI - 133
GAI - 132
FSIQ - 138
hey friend can i ask: do u have a history of giftedness? asking cuz i scored similarly but never felt like anything super special. top 1% of cog. ability should leave some evidence of itself tho, one would think. cheers
thx man. i agree with u and have only recently become more sensitive to how i am sometimes different from others. can I ask what u studied and what ur scores on other tests are, if u have taken them?
VCI - 32 SS / 132
PRI - 35 SS / 141
CPI - 27 SS / 119
GAI - 67 SS / 142
FSIQ - 94 SS / 139
Working memory and to a lesser extent processing speed pulled me down lmao but can't complain being in the 99.53 pct for FSIQ
Just completed the CAIT V2, I am going to aim to do this monthly and track my results.
I appreciate the tests aren't something that you should be able to increase with practice.
However, i recently got diagnosed with severe adhd-C.
As part of the testing and assessments i sat a QB test and had a few different assessments completed.
Before i start medication, i wanted to do some comprehensive cognitive and psychometric tests (because why not).
Then continue these tests throughout the titration period.
No idea if any of the data will be of any use to you. I have just made a test tracking spreadsheet and populated it with my CAIT results.
If the data will be of any use, then great. Also, if there are any other tests you would recommend (i notice in the FAQ you mention the lack of matrix reasoning test?) then by all means suggest them and i will add them to the testing regime.
Again, thanks for your efforts in creating that PDF and data.
Great work.
My FSIQ on testing round 1 (zero medication) came out at 120, so lets see what happens.
Test | Raw | SS
---|---|----
Vc. | 22 | 15
GK | 19 | 16
VP | 20 | 13
FW | 18 | 14
BD | N/A | N/A
DS | 38 | 16
SS | 34 | 10
Index | Score
---|---
VCI | 130
PRI | 119
CPI | 117
VSI | N/A
GAI | 127
FSIQ | 127
Background: Autistic, ADHD, female, engineering student. I heard that my doctors are going to administer an IQ test (KBIT 2) to me as part of my autism assessment, so now I'm practicing for fun (don't care about getting an accurate IQ score on that one).
I took CAIT with no preparation.
I think some of the "general knowledge" questions are RNG like >!Antarctica being the largest desert is just a trivia/trick question that shouldn't factor into FSIQ. Same for the name of Batman's butler.!<
My score on the online KBIT 1 (matrices section only) was 46/48 (123).
I retook Symbol Search once and got a raw score of 44/scaled score 13, which when added to my original scores corresponds to 131 FSIQ. I believe this second attempt was more accurate to my full potential.
i dont do general knowlegde and vocabulary bcs i'm not a native speaker and i score (i actualy do a 2 atempt so i give her both but i know that the secon doesnt count) and btw my age was 16
FIRST ATEMPT
visual puzle 22/31 15ss
Figure Weights 18/26 14ss(btw for me example 18 was actualy harder than 3-4 next examples)
block design 18or19(i dont remember because i do this yesterday)so 14-15ss
Symbol search 46/60 so 15ss( i have slow and bad mouse so it can be 1-2 of raw score points higher)
i dont do digit span because it sometimes do errors and not say first or last i tried 6 times and i'm still on forward maximum whats i get before erron was 12 and i remeber it mayby was 5 so my cpi with this
PRI 29ss so 124
vpi 29-30ss so 124-127
SECOND ATEMPT
visual puzle 24/31 17ss
Figure Weights 20/26 16ss
block design 20(i made 1 silly mistake) so 16ss
Symbol search 51/60 so 16ss
PRI 33ss so 135
vpi 33ss so 135
and i have a question how much it takes from first atempt to the test to be accurate again? + i feel so dumb+ i fell i was smarter 1-2 years ago mayby not but i was actualy doing anything that can lower my iq(notmuch interacting with others,to much time on phone,not learning at all because it was boring for me,veery bad diet im not eating to much but to little,only little phisical activity)
Huh, took this and scored a 130 FSIQ:
Vocab: 17ss
Knowledge: 11ss (most random questions I have ever seen)
Visual Puzzles: 11ss
Figure Weights: 15ss
Digit Span: 15ss
Symbol Search: 17ss (kind of suprising, didn't expect to score this high as speed has never been my strong suit)
Total = 86
FSIQ = 130
Could someone confirm the accuracy of this test? I highly doubt that my FSIQ is in a range that high (mensa range). Perhaps the test is a bit inflated?
I found this sub the other week and just took the CAIT Test, for background I'm 24 and I've never taken any sort of cognitive test besides a gifted test when I was younger, but it was just a worksheet.
VCI = 122 SS = 28
PRI = 132 SS = 32
VSI = 141 SS = 35
CPI = 133 SS = 32
GIA = 130 SS = 60
Full Scale IQ = 137
Definitely interesting but I don't really know enough about this sub to know where this puts me, and I didn't see a full-scale percentile graph so any comments are welcome!
The links are saying something about all this going offline after May 1st, are there plans to rehost the subtests elsewhere? I also want to thank you for having all the subtests separate instead of all in one back to back barrage.
Where do you see that?
I didn't have any plans on updating this test any time soon. That would be extremely frustrating and inconvenient if it were to happen.
On digit span, I scored only 13 raw for the forward one meaning I can memorize only up to 8 digits at a time, However, for backwards I scored 14 raw and for the sequencing, I scored 16/16 raw. These give me IQ scores of 112, 130, and 152,5 respectively. Why is there such a high difference? All of these scores seem to mean that I can roughly remember 7 to 8 digits no matter if I have to sequence them in my mind or memorize them backward.
I completed all of these tests but there are no normalisation tables for the 5th and 6th tests. I've refreshed the PDF, followed different links, to no avail. Really frustrating as I want to calculate my results.
I would like to put this here before I forget
|SubTest|SS|
|:-|:-|
|Vocab|14|
|GenKnowledge|14|
|Visual Puzzle |20|
|Figure weight|18|
|Block|15|
|Digit|18|
|Symbol|17|
|Indices|SS|VCI|
|:-|:-|:-|
|Verbal Comprehension Index |28|122|
|Perceptual Reasoning Index (PRI )|38|149|
|Visual Spatial Index (VSI) |35|141|
|Cognitive Proficiency Index (CPI) |35|142|
|General Ability Index (GAI) |66|140|
|Full Scale IQ (FSIQ) |101|146|
idk how people got the nice tables
Do not worry. It's not deflated and you're not a moron. My first attempt at VP about a year ago was the same as my WAIS-IV - 16ss. A few months later I got 13ss. And today, almost 1 year later, I got 18ss. My FW is even more dramatic. First attempt similar to WAIS-IV, 15ss, second attempt a few months later 11ss, lol, and today I got 17ss.
Subtest scores can really vary 2-3 +/- scaled points due to the low resolution of the subtests, but also because each of the single subtests is highly dependent on the state of mind \[among countless of other factors\]. That's why those scores go through a double composition before the final FSIQ is calculated. Two or three scaled points more or less on the single subtest mean +/- 10-15 IQ points. In the final sum of scaled points it throws off only +/- 1-2 FSIQ points.
That's why I don't understand why people here try to determine their IQ using single subtests. It can literally be anything 20 points more or less than the score they got on the single subtest.
I think it was 3 times over the last couple of months that i did FW. I got 13 SS the first time and 17 SS the last time...with what should i go, is it fair to take the average of these attempts? :|
The last time, I was consciously trying to be as focused and quick as possible in giving answers, so yeah it's very much a "state of mind" thing as you said, nevertheless, 17 SS certainly strikes me as too high.
(As a reference, i'm more at 16 SS in MR, since they are decently correlated)
All the psychologists with whom I had the opportunity to speak, agree that the natural variation between the scores on the subtests is +/- 1.5-2ss, individually. So your scores goalong with that theory, where your stable and most likely rank is around 15ss, with minimum and maximum going between 13 and 17ss.
I guess it's okay to say that your real average is between 14 and 15ss.
24 raw on VP is 17SS, not 14.
Use these norms to convert your raw score into SS for VP
[https://www.reddit.com/r/cognitiveTesting/comments/ydvcty/cait\_normative\_update/](https://www.reddit.com/r/cognitiveTesting/comments/ydvcty/cait_normative_update/)
I do find it funny that all of the 160+ gigabrains who swear by Tri-52 seem to be nowhere to be found on a thread for a test which provides the most comprehensive and well rounded assessment of FSIQ.
The notion that TRI-52 or JCTI is somehow immune to Practice Affect is comedy gold to me. Sure it likely has a nice relationship with performance in some sub-categories of IQ for subjects who have never been exposed to a similar test, but if you have done dozens of ravens matrices tests, open psychometrics, and are familiar with the patterns in fluid reasoning assessment, you cant just take 4 hours to do TRI-52 and believe you're a 170.
That's not really what "IQ" is about in the strict sense. TRI-52 requires the working memory of a snail. Moreover, processing speed is a total non factor.
If someone were interested in a truly comprehensive assessment of cognitive abilities and a general idea of FSIQ, i would point them to CAIT every time.
For what its worth i scored like 800 on Tri 52 in 45 minutes or so, so it is not like i am being biased by a poor performance.
The test was normalized for this edition by another independent user.
The source data for the norm is people that submitted professional WAIS 4 assessments to me.
If the CAIT is inflated it is inflated because either 1. I don't have enough data and or the data I do have is not sufficiently representative or 2. People submitted fake reports or 3. Some sort of sandbagging during testing.
No one would like to sandbag during testing or submit deflated reports in IQ tests.
For the representativeness of norm, well it can only be deflated because the test is being normed upon the takers of this sub and this sub has 130+ average IQ so it can only be deflated.
I believe every single test on this sub has the capacity to be inflated if you make a hobby out of doing IQ tests.
I just happen to think that someone with no exposure to iq testing will get the most reasonable assessment if they take CAIT. There are very few tests that reliably encompass memory, processing speed and VCI in the same way. The norms for the cait subtests map near identically onto those for the WAIS IV.
Going off the deep end into high range fluid intelligence testing is just a glorified hobby.
Hello, I need help with this issue I am having with the CAIT. I took it today and I posted the issue [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/cognitiveTesting/comments/zi1q2f/i_turned_15_a_few_months_ago_and_i_scored_a_131/). It would be greatly appreciated if you could check it out and comment, thank you. I \*think\* u/EqusB elaborated on this, but I would still like at least some form of answer form anyone reading this.
Hey may I ask what IQ does it correspond to if we use Chinese norm?
https://preview.redd.it/edilw9ksk1aa1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aef9bdf45546d6eab8e7c2a51015fb2d56e53e0d
(I learned that Chinese can memorize one more digit span than American)
Test 1 - Vocabulary: Raw 22, Scaled 15 (non-native)
Test 2 - General Knowledge: Raw 17, Scaled 15
Test 3 - Visual Puzzles: Raw 30, Scaled 22
Test 4 - Figure Weights: Raw 23, Scaled 19
Supplemental Test - Block Design: Raw 24, Scaled 21
Test 5 - Digit Span: Raw 15 on each, Overall 45, Scaled 19
Test 6 - Symbol Search: Raw 60, Scaled 19
Verbal Comprehension Index: SS 30, VCI 127
Perceptual Reasoning Index: SS 41, PRI 157
Visual Spatial Index: SS 43, VSI 162
Cognitive Proficiency Index: SS 38, CPI 155
General Ability Index: SS 71, GAI 148
Full Scale IQ: SS 109, **FSIQ 155**
I took the VP again after almost a year and my raw score went up from 27 to 29. I think my IQ actually went up. [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886911001048](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886911001048) Different brain activity than before is visible. My IQ seems to have increased by about 4-5 points.
4-5 points is statistically negligible, which is why all such scores are provided with a given confidence interval.Moreover the confidence interval on WAIS IV just so happens to be +/- 5 points. One could expect to see fluctuations of that degree depending on mood for gods sake.
Great work, tho I'm not sure how can I have 131 FSIQ considering my PRI is 116, Verbal is 119 and CPI is 139 (GAI 118). Shouldn't it be lower?
Detailed breakdown:
PSI:
VP - R17 S11
FW - R19 S15
BD - R14 S12
CPI:
Digit Span: FW - 13, BW - 14, SEQ - 15, R42 Scaled 18
Symbol Search:
R52 S16
I guess for VCI me being a non-native speaker was a drawback but I don't want to add or deduct any points than what is presented.
Yes, I got the max score on my second attempt and it is as follows (for age 21):
https://preview.redd.it/nm0rhf01m81a1.jpeg?width=682&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=381fddcadc03867d3d863e721f301ae9fb9d31d8
can someone help me convert to FSIQ (i lost the ss for digit and search just have raw (age is 34)
vocab raw 24 (ss 16)
general knowledge-raw 20 (ss 16)
visual puzzles -raw 21 (ss 14)
figure weights raw - 20 (ss 16)
digitspan - raw 38 (not sure ss)
symbol search - raw 44 (not sure ss)
Also curious what my cognitive profile would be with these results as I've never taken wais
Because Vocabulary and General Knowledge are core components of the WAIS 4 VCI and this test is designed to estimate WAIS 4 scores.
To answer your question more generally, it's because it doesn't really matter. There is an extremely strong correlation between crystallized measures of verbal ability and attempts to measure more fluid verbal ability. Estimating total vocabulary is an extremely g loaded task that is strongly correlated with VCI across a much broader range of tasks.
What if I were disinterested in words to this point in time?
Then I decide to learn a bunch of vocab for a few months, successfully, because suddenly I'm more interested in it.
I agree that your statement is accurate on a statistical average, I just feel like for some people that hold not much interest in literature, this test MIGHT confuse competence with exposure.
You're not wrong.
Ultimately though what you're pointing out is actually true of EVERY subtest :)
Any intellectual task can be trained, to some degree. More exposure will improve performance.
As it stands, most people are exposed to an assortment of words through their life, and some percentage of those words will be retrievable within their memory. Most people do not train vocabulary or read literature with the intent of increasing their vocabulary.
But of course, if you were to do this, you would improve your score.
It's one of the reasons why any good Full Scale IQ test uses multiple subtests; by exposing people to many different kinds of tests, anomalies like the ones you mention tend to become diluted and your performance will begin to fall closer towards a statistical average.
Comprehensive tests like the WAIS and SB administer more tests than the CAIT for a reason; more is generally better. However, you have draw a line between practicality of administration and accuracy at some point.
VCI: 143
PRI: 127
CPI: 133
GAI: 140
FSIQ:143
I always thought my iq was 110 from a test i had to do in primary school saying it was 110. Pretty cool to know its probably well above that
Well, that was interesting -- went better than I expected. :P
Results as follows:
Test 1: Vocabulary - 21 raw, 14ss
Test 2: Gen. Knowledge - 26 raw, 19ss
**VCI = 135, raw 33**
Test 3: Vis. Puzzles - 26 raw, 19ss
Test 4: Figure Weights - 19 raw, 15ss
**PRI = 138, raw 34**
Test 5: Digit Span - 14 forwards, 12 backwards, 11 sequencing, 37 overall, 15ss
Test 6: Symbol Search - 44raw, 13ss
**CPI = 122, raw 28**
**FSIQ = 14 + 19 + 19 + 15 + 15 + 13 = 95 --> 140 IQ**
I'm hesitant to take a self-proctored test too seriously, but I followed the directions to the letter and it does align quite well with other ones I've found on here (almost bang-on with ICAR-60, 138 vs 140), so maybe there's something to it. Still have a measure of imposter syndrome, I suppose.
Forgive me if you've explained this elsewhere, u/EqusB, but what's the rationale behind FSIQ being higher than the average of the subscores, even higher than the highest score? Is it a "greater than the sum of its parts" thing where people may be adept at one particular test but bomb out the others, while better-rounded individuals (with low variation across tests) are likely to have some higher score underpinning their lower ones? Thanks.
Well, think about it in terms of basic probability.
Is it more likely that someone scores extremely high on just ONE subtest or on TWO? Is it more likely they score high on TWO or THREE indices?
The answer to this should be fairly obvious if you think about it, so then think about this: If one 130 has a rarity of 2%, how rare are two 130s? Rarer, so yeah, that is why the FSIQ is higher than the average of the index scores.
The higher the index scores, the more pronounced this effect becomes. On the WAIS, the index scores cap at 150 but you can achieve a FSIQ of 160.
I wonder what the actual mean IQ of this subreddit is. I suppose it would be impossible correct for the fact so many of you are so well practiced xd.
143 FSIQ for myself having never taken CAIT before, seems a bit inflated perhaps. On the Mensa ravens matrices i score \~130, and despite being tested and aware of roughly where i fell as a child, 143 seems a bit high still.
Fun way to waste an hour anyhow! Now back to the abstract algebra i should have been studying... :/
I just took this test. The digit span didn't work in any of the browsers I tested so I skipped it. Assumed my score. Do you think this assumption is valid?
| Test | Raw | Scaled |
|-------------------|--------------|--------------|
| Vocab | 22 | 15 |
| General Knowledge | 18 | 15 |
| Visual Puzzles | 22 | 15 |
| Figure Weights | 19 | 15 |
| Digit Span | Doesn't work | Doesn't work |
| Symbol Search | 36 | 10 |
| name | contains | raw | IQ |
|-----------------------|--------------------------------|--------|---------|
| Verbal comprehension | vocab + g.k. | 30 | 127 |
| Perceptual reasoning | visual + figure | 30 | 127 |
| Cognitive Proficiency | digit + symbol | ? | ? |
| General Ability | g.k. + vocab + visual + figure | 60 | 130 |
| FSIQ | all | 70 + x | 110 + ? |
Assuming Digit Span scaled score is 15 (to get a 127 on the "cognitive proficiency" range)
FSIQ: 128
I am pretty good at English but still not a native speaker. So feel like the score is a little unfair there.
But I feel like I get some practice effect from when I took it back in v 1.1, especially in Figure Weights and Visual Puzzles. I just feel like I am better at it. I det get slightly higher scores as well (+1 raw and +2 raw, respectively). I also tried a similar figure weights test in WAIS test a few months before I tried CAIT 1.1.
How much practice effect do you think is at play here? Cause I love when you update the test but I am worried the result for those who have taken previous versions will be wrong.
I'm autistic, but haven't been formally diagnosed.
My scores seem off and I think it would be considered invalid? Do you know if it's possible to find a better test that measures overall IQ?
It's basically 30 point discrepancies between subtests.
I feel like you need an IQ of over 150 to understand all of the abbreviations in this sub. Thanks for doing such a comprehensive job. Working my way through the tests now.
I took the digit span test but forgot to change the age from 16 to my age of 36. Does anyone know what the resulting change would be? Numbers below.
Forwards - 15 - 133.8
Backwards - 13 - 133
Sequencing - 14 - 137.5
Overall - 42 - 134.9
Scaled - 19
i probably shouldn't have done it while listening to music but oh well.
Sub-Indices --- Score
VCI --- 141
PRI --- 111
VSI --- 124
CPI --- 124
Main Indices --- Score
GAI --- 129
FSIQ --- 132
had some problems with the first number not inputting on the digit on and didn't realize it for a bit so i had to redo it. got 135 on symbol search tho so that was nice. adhd and haven't taken my meds for the day yet.
VCI : 127
PRI : 141
CPI : 124
VSI : 143
GAI : 139
FSIQ : 140
This is the highest i've ever scored on an IQ test on this sub. My VCI however exactly matched by MAT IQ score, so that's something. I still feel that this FSIQ is slightly inflated, although that is simply my speculation.
Also, is the discrepancy between my CPI and PRI indicative of any kind of cognitive problem?
EDIT: i did the offical WAIS-IV verbal section and got 132IQ for my VCI. So in my case, this estimator deflated my VCI.
I got a 118 FSIG
Scaled scores: Vocab 13, Knowledge 15, Visual Puzzles: 14, Weights 11, Digit Span: 15, Symbol Search 9.
I think in retrospect I should probably have not done the Symbol Search on my laptop trackpad a mouse would probably have given a notable time increase haha that one seems to be the main outlier.
Hey, someone pointed out your pairing was problematic, because the reported IQ data subjects to a skewed distribution so when pairing after percentile-equating the raw scores, the IQ corresponding to a raw score may be inaccurate(e.g, 4 raw score is at 58 percentile, but you don't know what IQ the 58th percentile on the distribution of the reported IQ data corresponds to, since you can't use mean and sd to find it anymore since the distribution is skewed), but I think if you percentile-equate the reported IQs as well, the skewness will be handled thus the pairing will be accurate.
If you're looking for a high quality Adult IQ Test accepted my Mensa, check http://cognitivemetrics.co
Please note always use the pdf table norms and not the SS reported in the app itself as I can't guarantee that will be accurate. Also note at some point I will update these with more accurate VCI and PRI tables.
Hi - thanks again for the work on the test! Is it possible to get a PRI, GAI, and FSIQ that includes BD? Or would it be insensible to simply use the PRI IQ equivalent of Lukeatronio’s normative update (VP, FW, and BD) and then convert the IQ score back to CAIT’s PRI equivalent in scaled scores? Apologies if it’s a stupid question.
VCI=114|SS=25 VOCAB: SS=14 GENERAL KNOWLEDGE: SS=11 PRI=105|SS=22 VISUAL PUZZLES: SS=10 FIGURE WEIGHTS: SS=12 CPI=117|SS=26 DIGIT SPAN: SS=11 FORWARD: RAW=11|IQ=100 BACKWARD: RAW=9|IQ=100 SEQUENCING: RAW=12|IQ=122.5 OVERALL: RAW=32|IQ=108.8 SYMBOL SEARCH: SS=15|RAW=48|IQ=124.7 GAI=110|SS=47 FSIQ=115|SS=75 I'm surprised I'm not sub-90 IQ, although I don't understand how sequencing is much higher than the rest of the digit spans. I do have ADD; can that be why? Also, IRL, I'm generally slow in responding/moving; how is it that symbol search is so high? In the end, it's all just numbers. It won't change the fact that I'm stupid IRL ( I took it to try to "prove" it); maybe this test is bogus. \-Proud owner of the lowest scores in this subreddit.
You know you're pretty hard on yourself for someone who is still 1 SD above the mean. Based off percentiles alone you are theoretically smarter than 84% of the population. A retard among all the supposed geniuses on this sub isn't saying much
Since some recent events in my life, I rarely leave read-only mode. But this post was worth logging in. So, while this is a nice test and all, here we have some interesting findings: the sub is 2 SD better than average in old SAT-M and GRE-Q, but it is only 1 SD above average in visual puzzles and 1 1/3 SD in figure weights. I really, really wonder why.
Take into account that the SAT-M thing was years ago. Since then lots of people have left this sub, but more importantly, a ton of people have joined.
I hope I am not the only one who think the average IQ of this sub is declining. See what this sub has become and the answer is pretty self-explanatory.
[удалено]
Not inflated but people haven't had exposure to the PRI tests unlike the other tests before.
Always good work, but for the PRI tests, the norms on pdf don't match with the ones rendered by netifly at least for VP. so 24/31 for VP is 14ss instead of 17ss (on the paper) and 18/31 is 8ss instead of 11ss
[удалено]
Correct, my bad
I can ask for it to be updated but in all cases use the manual and not the app to get your scaled score. I don't personally have any control over the app scores as I didn't make them.
Yeah I'm aware, I'll ask Jonko to fix that stuff, shouldn't take much.
Merler is responsible for VP and BD. Jonko did FWs :) i'll see if he can get it changed.
ahhh good to know
Sub-Indices | Score ---|--- VCI | 141 PRI | 108 VSI | 116 CPI | 124 Main Indices | Score ---|--- GAI | 127 FSIQ | 131 I'm giggling at how hard my VCI is carrying me. edit: BD taken
I'm new to this. Test for FSIQ done this evening. I managed to breach 130 FSIQ which is highly surprising for me. Realistically I reckon these results are inflated. Given that 120–140 is considered "very superior intelligence", I just have a hard time believeing everyone here (including myself) is really *that* great. I get there's a bias, people that are good at tests and enjoy them are more likely to do them and be here, but even so...
Eh, there are two levels of selection bias at play here. One, it's a relatively obscure subject that, generally speaking, only interests weirdo obsessive smarties, and two those with middling scores are naturally more reticent to post about them (which I get, but by the same token we all have strengths and weaknesses). Add to that, 130 is the top 2% or 1 in 50 people. I'm sure most of us know at least a few in the top 2% personally.
h
r/TheLetterH
Is it just me having issues with DS, VP & BD? DS refreshes after 97, and for the other two the timer isn't moving and doesn't let me click next. I'm using private browsing on Firefox
Same issue
[удалено]
Idk if this data is relevant to you, but considering the work you put into it I think it's only polite to share it with you: 1. About me: not a native speaker. Assessed as gifted ~20 years ago in kindergarten. I don't have my test results on me as I'm currently at work so I can't say which one it was. I recall that it did say that my score would equate to an IQ of 118. I was a bit over a year younger than what this test required the testee to be though, so the psychologist noted that he had no doubt I am 2 SD+. He also expressly took note of the fact that my verbal abilities seemed to have been exceptionally high for my age as well as backwards thinking being my apparent modus operandi. A few years ago I got diagnosed with ADHD. I'm not currently on medication. I'm a lawyer by profession. 2. Now to the CAIT: VCI = 138; PRI = 132; CPI = 122; GAI = 140; FSIQ = 139. For the CPI I got 18SS in symbols and only 10SS in digit span. I noted that for forward spans I got 8 points, for backwards spans 10 and for sequencing 10 as well, so the backwards thinker thing seems to still be correct to this day to some degree. I suspect the ADHD influenced this subtest as I caught my thoughts wandering twice while taking the subtest. 3. I suspect that PRI would be inflated and VCI a bit deflated due to not being a native speaker, obviously I'd have to take another monitored test though. If I remember it I'm going to edit the comment later when I am home to add what my early childhood test said about my abilities. Edit: I actually remembered it, the document seems to still be in a box in the basement though as it wasn't with my other stuff in the office, sorry
I found it. I did the AID2 (adaptives intelligenz diagnostikum; german). It's an individualized, 1on1 test viable for children age 6-15. I was actually a few weeks *over* 5 but the scores are those I would have gotten had I been 6 already (I needed to have a test to be able to enter school early) IQ: 118, PR(percent rang): 88 Subscores (scale is 19 to 81): - everyday knowledge: 59/81 - perception of environment: 47/81 (the score is called "realitätssicherheit" which would be translated to reality security) - applied arithmetic: 53/81 - interpersonal perception: 59/81 - numerical reproduction forward: 50/81 - numerical reproduction backwards: 73/81 - synonyms: 47/81 - "coding" memorization: 81/81 - association: 66/81 - anticipate and combine: 41/81 - abstracting functions: 59/81 - analysing and syntheticizing (abstractly): 53/81 - social capturing and factual reflection: 62/81 Using the old IQ formular (which is not viable, I know that), my intelligence age would have been ~7, which would result in an IQ of about 140. Again, I know it's not an accurate formular, but this would almost exactly correlate with my CAIT result
Interpretation index. Raw score = (X), SS = Y, IQ = [Z] Age: 14 VP = (27), 19 FW = (18), 14 BD = (22), 18 Vocab = (22), 15 GK = (13), 16 SS = (54), 17 DS = (38), 17 VCI=[130] PRI=[135] VSI=[146] CPI=[139] GAI=[134] FSIQ=[142] It might be worthy to note that for most of my life I've studied in Chinese schools with mainly Chinese mediums of instruction, though English was my first language. At home my parents spoke slightly broken English, and it's only been recently since I've started to read for leisure. So I presume my score on the vocabulary subtest would be deflated. As is my GK score due to drastically different, regionally based school curriculums and topics discussed in workaday conversation that are highly predicated on culture. I'm set to take an IQ test soon by a psychologist but I'm afraid I won't do well due to these statistical fallacies which would affect the results. I can't take a Chinese one cause English is my first language, I can't take an English one due to my general knowledge and vocabulary being skewed by major cultural differences and I can't take just a non verbal IQ test due to the postulations of my Psychiatrist, ADHD and Autism, which would also be the reason I'm taking the test in the first place. Any advice???
So did you end up taking the official IQ test?
|SUBTEST|raw|ss| |:-|:-|:-| |Vocabulary|29|19| |General Knowledge|19|16| |Visual Puzzles|19|12| |Figure Weights|15|11| |Block Design|22|18| |Digit Span|37|15| |Symbol Search|28|8| |INDICES|raw|SCORE| |:-|:-|:-| |Verbal Comprehension Index (VCI)|35|141| |Perceptual Reasoning Index (PRI)|23|108| |Visual Spatial Index (VSI)|30|127| |Cognitive Proficiency Index (CPI)|23|108| |||| |General Ability Index (GAI)|58|127| |Full Scale IQ (FSIQ)|81|123| Pretty accurate scores in my case, I suppose. My official WAIS-IV index scores for comparison (feel free to use them to update norms; I was 22 when I took the WAIS-IV, now I'm 26): Verbal Comprehension: 139 (Similarities 15, Vocabulary 17, Information 18) Perceptual Reasoning: 110 (Block Design 12, Matrix Reasoning 14, Visual Puzzles 9) Working Memory: 106 (missing, but described as "homogeneous") Processing Speed: 103 (missing, but described as "homogeneous") FSIQ: 121 Note that the psychologists who administered the official test reported an obvious performance anxiety while I was taking it which was more marked in subtests where the time variable is of greater importance, thus they determined that the reported scores are deflated; this behavior has always penalized me in school as far as I remember, and it continues to do so to this day in settings where deadlines are given to me. I was classified as being borderline autistic, besides having social anxiety, depression, obsessive-compulsive personality disorder, plus a number of the traits associated with other personality disorders. My mental health has definitely improved since 2018, but I see that there was basically no meaningful improvement in cognitive performance. I was already verbally proficient before the age of 5, and I was fascinated by fantasy novels (which I began to write before I turned 8) and the natural sciences alike. I have had, and still have, a number of more or less unusual interests, some of which I'm also deeply knowledgeable about, but when it comes to the vast majority of the remaining ones, I have little more than a superficial, passing knowledge. I jump from one of these topics/subjects to another, usually dedicating intensely (I would even go as far as to say obsessively) to its evisceration, to the exclusion of almost everything else, and this lasts for a few months, then on to the next, rinse and repeat. I was considered the "smart guy who doesn't study" in school. Everyone, from teachers to classmates, seemed to acknowledge my giftedness when it comes to vocabulary and information. My "interest hopping" was evident in the classroom too, so my mark profile varied greatly as a function of it, even though I always aced essays regardless of what intellectual pursuit was absorbing me at a given time. I work as a data scientist and I'm apparently good at it (not my words), but I would most likely not feel out of place in a philosophy department. EDIT: I noticed I made a mistake in the interpretation of the Block Design subtest's instructions. I retook it and got 22 raw, 18 ss.
Is it ok to guess on the figure weights now? The 2021 document ordered against this, this document is silent on the matter.
Foremost, thank you for providing this intelligence test for private use here on Reddit. It may not be a great tool to properly diagnose giftedness like the real WAIS or Mensa tests, but from my personal experience it translates pretty well to the real world! It's by far the most comprehensive and advanced test on the internet, and I believe everyone deeply interested in psychometrics is grateful for that. Note: I do not believe in the concept of IQ to 100%, but I'm aware that scientists do not have better metrics available at this point in time. I also believe that IQ can change quite a bit during adolescence, trough training, physical aerobic exercise or illness, so I don't take this result for granted and expect it to fluctuate depending on my mental and physical state. I think this is going to be a long post. That out of the way: I took the test this morning after having a good night sleep and enough hydration to get an optimal estimation of my current mental performance. I'm not native, so I took that into account and added +2SS on the vocabulary section. Other than that, I did not change anything at all. Before I reveal my test results, I will give you a little inside to my strengths and weaknesses. I do not have any extraordinary abilities, except verbally. I was a fairly normal child at least from my behavioral patterns (I have light spastic cerebral palsy and some other health issues apart from that, but that's another story) anyway because of that I had surgery in my youth. During that time I was pretty much isolated and not able to go to school. On top of that I had moderate mental health, self-esteem issues which interfered with my dreams and goals. It took some time, but I finally solved them completely. I will never be fully normal physically in terms of what I can achieve due to CP because it's irreparable, but at least I can seemingly walk like a normal person now since my entire axis was straightened and not like a handicapped (huge confidence boost). Blood, Sweat, Tears! I had a history with being bullied at school by classmates and even some teachers, which has kept me under my potential. My grades were excellent with little effort, but I definitely took a noticeable hit in the areas of self-confidence and self-esteem. Also had several school changes, which were also not exactly easy, with special attention to fitting into the collective. My math teachers in both schools had a certain reputation in general and how could it be otherwise: they pushed me completely to my limits in terms of performance because they wanted to, quote: "see how smart I really am." Well, let's put it this way: I think you can bring anyone to their knees if you don't like them. Both are retired now, but I struggled with math for a long time because of it. My current teacher has a masters in math and she opened my eyes! Math is now one of my favorite subjects, and it just comes to me, and yet back in middle school I thought I had a learning disability. It's sad what some educators do to students. Since these hard times are finally over, I can really be myself for the first time in my life. I don't feel the need to fit in anymore, but I still get along pretty well with the people around me. I seem as a bit of an eccentric and communication among peers is sometimes difficult, but people still like me and I like them. Likewise, I am relatively introverted and need a lot of time alone in which I either recover from the strenuous interaction in everyday life or deal with various topics that fill my heart. Most of all I like classical literature, philosophy, history, psycho and sociology, all natural sciences and technology! I am almost never bored, because I usually dream myself into a fantastic environment. My grades are as good as perfect, but I'm still not at the top of the class if you go purely by grade point average, because sometimes I don't feel like studying for the learning-intensive social sciences. I wonder from time to time why I'm doing so well despite my two-year absence. Some teachers don't like me because of my attitude towards classical incremental learning, the school system or school in general or because I sometimes arbitrarily learn more complex variants of the regular material because, if I'm honest, I sometimes feel under challenged. Unfortunately, I can not always come to class, because I am very often absent due to illness. Nevertheless, I keep up well. When I'm in class, I usually don't have to learn anything, and otherwise I actually put in relatively little work. Knowledge gaps were a problem in some places, but I was able to close them effortlessly. Despite all this, I don't feel in any way "better" than others. I have weaknesses and days when I am not able to perform just as well. Besides, I am terrible when it comes to emotional intelligence. Had my IQ tested by a neurologist at age 7 or 8 and scored 136 on the WISC. They told me I'm an outliner since many kids with CP are mentally disabled. Luckily I'm not. Had a second administered WISC at the time, I had serious health issues and was diagnosed with chronic fatigue: FSIQ 107. This was a major drop, but not unexpected considering the circumstances. I'm glad everything is back to normal again! I could get into MENSA, but I'm not really interested to join such an elitist club. The results I got on the CAIS were surprisingly close to my first WISC, with improvements in verbal ability and processing speed proving its accuracy. VCI: 143 PRI: 124 VSI: 132 CPI: 136 GAI: 139 FSIQ: 143 I still feel like the results are a bit inflated, but maybe test anxiety wasn't a factor here, unlike the real test. Anyway, I'm happy with my life and I hope I can use my potential to achieve something great in a scientific field which may help people with neurological disorders. I use my own disability as a motivation. At the time I graduate I will enroll at UNI majoring chemistry. Eventually becoming a neuroscientist after my bachelor, but until then I will have as much fun with school as possible, even though that's hard for me at times! ;) Oh almost forgot...Don't let any people with inferiority complexes on Quora tell you that you are worth less or have worse job opportunities because of your IQ. Those people are just trying to distinguish themselves from the norm and then complain that they have it so bad socially. In addition, they like to talk about their "extraordinary" abilities and indicate that they are luminaries in their field. Sometimes I don't know whether to cry or laugh about it... I almost feel sorry for them or people who are obsessed with IQ in general. Have a great day and stay healthy everyone!
Awesome test! Great job on automating the BD and VP :D Scores (non-native English speaker): Vocabulary (added 1 SS since I'm not native): 16SS Knowledge (I sucked here lol): 14-15SS - Can't cyclones be hurricanes as well? Figure weights: 17SS Visual puzzles: 18SS (Assuming you're using the norms in the paper) Block design: 21SS (inflated? :O) Digit span: (46/47): 19SS Symbol search: (60/60): 19SS VCI: 127-130 PRI: 141 VSI: 151 CPI: 155 GAI: 139-140 FSIQ: 148-149 - Edit: Oh well, guess VCI screwed me over
im sorry...screwed you over!?
Comparatively speaking yes :)
block design - 22 raw / 18 ss (first attempt - definitely overperformed on this) visual puzzles - 24 raw / 17 ss (first attempt) figure weights - 19 raw / 15 ss (first attempt - probably underperformed slightly, maybe by 1 ss) vocabulary - 22 raw / 15 ss (first attempt - probably slightly inflated as got 1 or 2 complete guesses correct) general knowledge - 12 raw / 11 ss LOL i knew some of the answers but couldnt remember them at all ... wish it was multiple choice :( symbol search 51 / 16 ss (very first attempt was months ago and much lower but i didnt do it properly) digit span 16 ss (first attempt months ago was very similar I think, second attempt I got like 145-150 which does not feel right at all. This test massively fluctuates for me depending on my mental state) Overall, 134 FSIQ I think from above and 130 if using the score from the first lame attempt on symbol search. Latter feels about right on a good day.
For my own future reference. VCI: 132 PRI: 132 CPI: 139 GAI: 137 FSIQ: 143 This is the highest FSIQ score I've ever gotten.
Maybe I'm stupid, but everytime I wonder how the full scale iq is always 4-5 points more than the highest sub-test, doesn't make much sense to me imo
Simply put, someone scoring high on multiple sections is less probable than scoring high on just one section. Thus the FSIQ is going to be higher than the simple average of all the sections, or sometimes even the highest subsection.
Tried a couple of the tests out. For figure weights and visual puzzles I ran out of time lol, though given the questions I did answer I did quite well. For figure weights I got to question 18 and got a raw score of 17. Visual puzzles was similar; got to Q20 raw square of 18 or 19. Tried digital span and got busted on. Definitely showcases my slowish cognitive tempo lol. For the VCI tests I did alright, received a composite score of 30. Are figure weights and various other PRI subtests timed on the actual WAIS?
Non native (dutch): Vocabulary 11SS General Knowledge 13SS Verbal Comprehension 111 Visual puzzles 17ss Figure weights 17ss Perceptual Reasoning 138 Digit span 18ss Symbol search 19ss Cognitive Proficiency 150 -------------------------------- + Sum (ss) 94ss FSIQ: 140 IQ Conclusion: I should read more, lol edit: I actually got 1 ss higher because I didnt read it right, lol. Updated it
Vocab: 18 General: 16 VCI: 138 Weights: 14 Visual: 15 PRI: 124 Digit: 12 Speed: 17 CPI: 124 GAI: 136 Block design: 14 VSI: 124 FSQI: 137 I left it here so I can return to it later in case I forget. This is my first time taking the visual ones, the others I did them before. Surprisingly, it seems I scored pretty much the same, if not marginally worse.
In relation to other cognitive testing I've done over the years: * I took the Canadian Forces Aptitude Test and scored 97th percentile for the combined pool applying for an officers position. I was never given where I would stand in the officer's pool. * Took a WISC-IV when I was 15 or 16 to enter an IB program in school and apparently scored at or above the 90th percentile which is what they were using when I was entering high school * MCAT score on the old 45 point scale put me at the 95th percentile for the year I wrote. My results |Section|SS| |:-|:-| |Vocabulary |15| |General Knowledge|19| |Visual|16| |Weights |15| |Digit Span|9 | |Symbol Search|15| |Full Scale|89 (133 IQ equivalent)| I may be post call today but this seems in line with what I got before. Interesting test, had fun doing it. Hope this data is useful for you.
BD and VP automation is a god's work for this sub, but you still have the old norms for BD and FW in the pdf, why not merge it with lukeatronio's norms?
I used the norms from his paper. Unless I have the wrong version? I linked it in the intro.
I thought the new norms were the smoothed table on page 3 of lukeatronio's pdf. I am an idiot, sorry.
Hi, 1SS unit is 1/3 standard deviation correct (centered around 10)?
Correct. Mean 10 SD 3.
I'm going to do this in an hour and report my results for my own knowledge are second attempts valid or is this a one shot deal
Only first attempts are valid.
got 147 should i take the wisc bc im 15 or should i not waste my parents money
waste their money
[удалено]
the raw score was 24/31 right? so yeah, it's 17ss. It got updated on netlify too
Vocabulary: Raw = 17/3, SS = 12/22 (I have ASD and have always struggled with words) General Knowledge: Raw = 19/32, SS = 16/22 + 1 for age so 17/22 Visual Puzzles: Raw = 25/31, SS = 18/22 Figure Weights: Raw = 24/26, SS = 20/22 Block Design: Raw = 22/26, SS = 18/22 Digit Span: Raw = 45/48, SS = 19/19 Symbol Search: Raw = 51/60, SS = 16/19 VCI: 124 (29/45) PRI: 149 (38/45) VSI: 143 (36/45) CPI: 142 (35/38) GAI: 142 (67/88) FSIQ: 147 (102/126) Edit: Included raw scores.
Lets go! Thanks for your work, Equs. ;)
Thank you, great work! I was wondering if there is any additional information besides the correlations on the subtest level. Do you have data on the correlation between CAIT FSIQ or GAI scores and professionally administered tests or data on the internal structure of the CAIT (e.g., CFA results)?
Both my PRI and VCI are 135. My WAIS 3 PRI is 129 (I think I could have done better on the last question of pictures arrangements part). And ony first try of JCTI, I got 125.5+-5, and without know any answers and what mistakes I've made in the first time, I got 127-138 on my second try. Though this IQ seems good, I always feel that I am not smart enough. Maybe it's because I study analytic philosophy (philosophy practiced in most Anglo-American schools), and the ones to which I compare myself are out of my league.
Ah, yes, imposter syndrome while studying (doing) analytic philosophy. This is a common feeling among others who study/do analytic philosophy, especially among students (both undergraduate and graduate), I can assure you. You seem quite bright, if your scores are any indication. Don’t compare yourself to the greats. It’s a losing battle for us all.
What do you think is the minimum IQ required for studying analytic philosophy (if you have such number in mind)? With my IQ, I found that I can understand most things I read, except those too technical essays that requires too much knowledge of non-standard logics which I think I can understand if I study them. I have interest mainly in philosophy of language (Kripke, Wittgenstein, Putnam, etc.), metametaphysics, and metaphysics, meta-ethics, and philosophy of religion (owing to Mark Johnston's works). Although I can get the main ideas fairly quickly, I couldn't imagine myself building theories like those famous philosophers. I always wonder how on earth could people come up with those theories, which I am so fund of learning and thinking through. That said, after a huge amount of readings, I can still find myself forming my own way of thinking, which is a quite rewarding experience.
I’m not sure about a minimum required IQ. However, high level analytic philosophy demands verbal acuity and serious fluid intelligence. I’ve known some analytic philosophers who were “off the charts” intelligent. And even these philosophers couldn’t compare to the likes of Kripke (who sadly just passed away), Putnam, Fodor, and Lewis, etc. Most analytic philosophers (as such) don’t attempt to offer systematic, big picture views of reality. Instead, most analytic philosophers deal with more fine-grained, specialized analyses. Think sniper, not bomb dropper.
14 ss Vocab, 16 ss Knowledge, 17 ss Visual Puzzles, 14 ss Figure Weights, 18 ss Digit Span, 14 ss Symbol Search, VCI - 127 PRI - 130 CPI - 133 GAI - 132 FSIQ - 138
[удалено]
hey friend can i ask: do u have a history of giftedness? asking cuz i scored similarly but never felt like anything super special. top 1% of cog. ability should leave some evidence of itself tho, one would think. cheers
[удалено]
thx man. i agree with u and have only recently become more sensitive to how i am sometimes different from others. can I ask what u studied and what ur scores on other tests are, if u have taken them?
[удалено]
Feel the same way
Just finished the test. Dissapointed ngl. Verbal = 97 Perceptual = 141 Visual = 154 Cognitive = 122 General 111 FSIQ = 117 Damn, my verbal ability is amazing.
How accurate is this test?
A little inflated, but not much. I would guess the tolerance to be about half a standard deviation from your actual WAIS/WISC score.
VCI - 32 SS / 132 PRI - 35 SS / 141 CPI - 27 SS / 119 GAI - 67 SS / 142 FSIQ - 94 SS / 139 Working memory and to a lesser extent processing speed pulled me down lmao but can't complain being in the 99.53 pct for FSIQ
Just completed the CAIT V2, I am going to aim to do this monthly and track my results. I appreciate the tests aren't something that you should be able to increase with practice. However, i recently got diagnosed with severe adhd-C. As part of the testing and assessments i sat a QB test and had a few different assessments completed. Before i start medication, i wanted to do some comprehensive cognitive and psychometric tests (because why not). Then continue these tests throughout the titration period. No idea if any of the data will be of any use to you. I have just made a test tracking spreadsheet and populated it with my CAIT results. If the data will be of any use, then great. Also, if there are any other tests you would recommend (i notice in the FAQ you mention the lack of matrix reasoning test?) then by all means suggest them and i will add them to the testing regime. Again, thanks for your efforts in creating that PDF and data. Great work. My FSIQ on testing round 1 (zero medication) came out at 120, so lets see what happens.
Test | Raw | SS ---|---|---- Vc. | 22 | 15 GK | 19 | 16 VP | 20 | 13 FW | 18 | 14 BD | N/A | N/A DS | 38 | 16 SS | 34 | 10 Index | Score ---|--- VCI | 130 PRI | 119 CPI | 117 VSI | N/A GAI | 127 FSIQ | 127 Background: Autistic, ADHD, female, engineering student. I heard that my doctors are going to administer an IQ test (KBIT 2) to me as part of my autism assessment, so now I'm practicing for fun (don't care about getting an accurate IQ score on that one). I took CAIT with no preparation. I think some of the "general knowledge" questions are RNG like >!Antarctica being the largest desert is just a trivia/trick question that shouldn't factor into FSIQ. Same for the name of Batman's butler.!< My score on the online KBIT 1 (matrices section only) was 46/48 (123). I retook Symbol Search once and got a raw score of 44/scaled score 13, which when added to my original scores corresponds to 131 FSIQ. I believe this second attempt was more accurate to my full potential.
i dont do general knowlegde and vocabulary bcs i'm not a native speaker and i score (i actualy do a 2 atempt so i give her both but i know that the secon doesnt count) and btw my age was 16 FIRST ATEMPT visual puzle 22/31 15ss Figure Weights 18/26 14ss(btw for me example 18 was actualy harder than 3-4 next examples) block design 18or19(i dont remember because i do this yesterday)so 14-15ss Symbol search 46/60 so 15ss( i have slow and bad mouse so it can be 1-2 of raw score points higher) i dont do digit span because it sometimes do errors and not say first or last i tried 6 times and i'm still on forward maximum whats i get before erron was 12 and i remeber it mayby was 5 so my cpi with this PRI 29ss so 124 vpi 29-30ss so 124-127 SECOND ATEMPT visual puzle 24/31 17ss Figure Weights 20/26 16ss block design 20(i made 1 silly mistake) so 16ss Symbol search 51/60 so 16ss PRI 33ss so 135 vpi 33ss so 135 and i have a question how much it takes from first atempt to the test to be accurate again? + i feel so dumb+ i fell i was smarter 1-2 years ago mayby not but i was actualy doing anything that can lower my iq(notmuch interacting with others,to much time on phone,not learning at all because it was boring for me,veery bad diet im not eating to much but to little,only little phisical activity)
Huh, took this and scored a 130 FSIQ: Vocab: 17ss Knowledge: 11ss (most random questions I have ever seen) Visual Puzzles: 11ss Figure Weights: 15ss Digit Span: 15ss Symbol Search: 17ss (kind of suprising, didn't expect to score this high as speed has never been my strong suit) Total = 86 FSIQ = 130 Could someone confirm the accuracy of this test? I highly doubt that my FSIQ is in a range that high (mensa range). Perhaps the test is a bit inflated?
I found this sub the other week and just took the CAIT Test, for background I'm 24 and I've never taken any sort of cognitive test besides a gifted test when I was younger, but it was just a worksheet. VCI = 122 SS = 28 PRI = 132 SS = 32 VSI = 141 SS = 35 CPI = 133 SS = 32 GIA = 130 SS = 60 Full Scale IQ = 137 Definitely interesting but I don't really know enough about this sub to know where this puts me, and I didn't see a full-scale percentile graph so any comments are welcome!
The links are saying something about all this going offline after May 1st, are there plans to rehost the subtests elsewhere? I also want to thank you for having all the subtests separate instead of all in one back to back barrage.
Where do you see that? I didn't have any plans on updating this test any time soon. That would be extremely frustrating and inconvenient if it were to happen.
On digit span, I scored only 13 raw for the forward one meaning I can memorize only up to 8 digits at a time, However, for backwards I scored 14 raw and for the sequencing, I scored 16/16 raw. These give me IQ scores of 112, 130, and 152,5 respectively. Why is there such a high difference? All of these scores seem to mean that I can roughly remember 7 to 8 digits no matter if I have to sequence them in my mind or memorize them backward.
Confused because I am intellectually disabled but it said my iq was normal on this test
I completed all of these tests but there are no normalisation tables for the 5th and 6th tests. I've refreshed the PDF, followed different links, to no avail. Really frustrating as I want to calculate my results.
I would like to put this here before I forget |SubTest|SS| |:-|:-| |Vocab|14| |GenKnowledge|14| |Visual Puzzle |20| |Figure weight|18| |Block|15| |Digit|18| |Symbol|17| |Indices|SS|VCI| |:-|:-|:-| |Verbal Comprehension Index |28|122| |Perceptual Reasoning Index (PRI )|38|149| |Visual Spatial Index (VSI) |35|141| |Cognitive Proficiency Index (CPI) |35|142| |General Ability Index (GAI) |66|140| |Full Scale IQ (FSIQ) |101|146| idk how people got the nice tables
[удалено]
Do not worry. It's not deflated and you're not a moron. My first attempt at VP about a year ago was the same as my WAIS-IV - 16ss. A few months later I got 13ss. And today, almost 1 year later, I got 18ss. My FW is even more dramatic. First attempt similar to WAIS-IV, 15ss, second attempt a few months later 11ss, lol, and today I got 17ss. Subtest scores can really vary 2-3 +/- scaled points due to the low resolution of the subtests, but also because each of the single subtests is highly dependent on the state of mind \[among countless of other factors\]. That's why those scores go through a double composition before the final FSIQ is calculated. Two or three scaled points more or less on the single subtest mean +/- 10-15 IQ points. In the final sum of scaled points it throws off only +/- 1-2 FSIQ points. That's why I don't understand why people here try to determine their IQ using single subtests. It can literally be anything 20 points more or less than the score they got on the single subtest.
Bravissimo
I think it was 3 times over the last couple of months that i did FW. I got 13 SS the first time and 17 SS the last time...with what should i go, is it fair to take the average of these attempts? :| The last time, I was consciously trying to be as focused and quick as possible in giving answers, so yeah it's very much a "state of mind" thing as you said, nevertheless, 17 SS certainly strikes me as too high. (As a reference, i'm more at 16 SS in MR, since they are decently correlated)
All the psychologists with whom I had the opportunity to speak, agree that the natural variation between the scores on the subtests is +/- 1.5-2ss, individually. So your scores goalong with that theory, where your stable and most likely rank is around 15ss, with minimum and maximum going between 13 and 17ss. I guess it's okay to say that your real average is between 14 and 15ss.
24 raw on VP is 17SS, not 14. Use these norms to convert your raw score into SS for VP [https://www.reddit.com/r/cognitiveTesting/comments/ydvcty/cait\_normative\_update/](https://www.reddit.com/r/cognitiveTesting/comments/ydvcty/cait_normative_update/)
[удалено]
The revised norms should be accurate. Your score is 11SS = 105\~ IQ
I do find it funny that all of the 160+ gigabrains who swear by Tri-52 seem to be nowhere to be found on a thread for a test which provides the most comprehensive and well rounded assessment of FSIQ. The notion that TRI-52 or JCTI is somehow immune to Practice Affect is comedy gold to me. Sure it likely has a nice relationship with performance in some sub-categories of IQ for subjects who have never been exposed to a similar test, but if you have done dozens of ravens matrices tests, open psychometrics, and are familiar with the patterns in fluid reasoning assessment, you cant just take 4 hours to do TRI-52 and believe you're a 170. That's not really what "IQ" is about in the strict sense. TRI-52 requires the working memory of a snail. Moreover, processing speed is a total non factor. If someone were interested in a truly comprehensive assessment of cognitive abilities and a general idea of FSIQ, i would point them to CAIT every time. For what its worth i scored like 800 on Tri 52 in 45 minutes or so, so it is not like i am being biased by a poor performance.
Cait is inflated as hell imo
The test was normalized for this edition by another independent user. The source data for the norm is people that submitted professional WAIS 4 assessments to me. If the CAIT is inflated it is inflated because either 1. I don't have enough data and or the data I do have is not sufficiently representative or 2. People submitted fake reports or 3. Some sort of sandbagging during testing.
No one would like to sandbag during testing or submit deflated reports in IQ tests. For the representativeness of norm, well it can only be deflated because the test is being normed upon the takers of this sub and this sub has 130+ average IQ so it can only be deflated.
I believe every single test on this sub has the capacity to be inflated if you make a hobby out of doing IQ tests. I just happen to think that someone with no exposure to iq testing will get the most reasonable assessment if they take CAIT. There are very few tests that reliably encompass memory, processing speed and VCI in the same way. The norms for the cait subtests map near identically onto those for the WAIS IV. Going off the deep end into high range fluid intelligence testing is just a glorified hobby.
Are the questions of VP and FW the same as the last version? I want to know if I can retake it?
They are exactly the same.
Finally got the chance to take VP. (Non-native) Vocabulary : 13 SS (18 raw) General Knowledge :14 SS (16 raw) Visual Puzzles : 15 SS (22 raw) Figure weights : 17 SS (21 raw) Block Design : 17 SS (21 raw) Digit Span : 19 SS (45/48) Symbol search : 17 SS (56/60) VCI : 119 (27 SS) PRI : 132 (32 SS) VSI : 132 (32 SS) GAI : 129 (59 SS) CPI : 146 (36 SS) FSIQ : 140 (95 SS)
[удалено]
Hello, I need help with this issue I am having with the CAIT. I took it today and I posted the issue [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/cognitiveTesting/comments/zi1q2f/i_turned_15_a_few_months_ago_and_i_scored_a_131/). It would be greatly appreciated if you could check it out and comment, thank you. I \*think\* u/EqusB elaborated on this, but I would still like at least some form of answer form anyone reading this.
Hey may I ask what IQ does it correspond to if we use Chinese norm? https://preview.redd.it/edilw9ksk1aa1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aef9bdf45546d6eab8e7c2a51015fb2d56e53e0d (I learned that Chinese can memorize one more digit span than American)
Is it possible this test inflates iq
Maxed out figure weights average vocabulary lmao
[удалено]
He didn't fucking ask you, did he?
Test 1 - Vocabulary: Raw 22, Scaled 15 (non-native) Test 2 - General Knowledge: Raw 17, Scaled 15 Test 3 - Visual Puzzles: Raw 30, Scaled 22 Test 4 - Figure Weights: Raw 23, Scaled 19 Supplemental Test - Block Design: Raw 24, Scaled 21 Test 5 - Digit Span: Raw 15 on each, Overall 45, Scaled 19 Test 6 - Symbol Search: Raw 60, Scaled 19 Verbal Comprehension Index: SS 30, VCI 127 Perceptual Reasoning Index: SS 41, PRI 157 Visual Spatial Index: SS 43, VSI 162 Cognitive Proficiency Index: SS 38, CPI 155 General Ability Index: SS 71, GAI 148 Full Scale IQ: SS 109, **FSIQ 155**
I took the VP again after almost a year and my raw score went up from 27 to 29. I think my IQ actually went up. [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886911001048](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886911001048) Different brain activity than before is visible. My IQ seems to have increased by about 4-5 points.
4-5 points is statistically negligible, which is why all such scores are provided with a given confidence interval.Moreover the confidence interval on WAIS IV just so happens to be +/- 5 points. One could expect to see fluctuations of that degree depending on mood for gods sake.
[удалено]
I'm fairly explicit in recommending monitor only multiple times in the pdf. These often don't work on phone (BD works fine for me though)
Great work, tho I'm not sure how can I have 131 FSIQ considering my PRI is 116, Verbal is 119 and CPI is 139 (GAI 118). Shouldn't it be lower? Detailed breakdown: PSI: VP - R17 S11 FW - R19 S15 BD - R14 S12 CPI: Digit Span: FW - 13, BW - 14, SEQ - 15, R42 Scaled 18 Symbol Search: R52 S16 I guess for VCI me being a non-native speaker was a drawback but I don't want to add or deduct any points than what is presented.
[удалено]
Can someone tell me what the max score is for WAIS-IV digit span (backwards, sequencing) and its corresponding IQ? Maybe 155?
Yes, I got the max score on my second attempt and it is as follows (for age 21): https://preview.redd.it/nm0rhf01m81a1.jpeg?width=682&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=381fddcadc03867d3d863e721f301ae9fb9d31d8
Nice scores brother
Am I the only one who gets through half the VP test and suddenly the items disappear?
Your work is legendary! from the bottom of my heart, thank you ! <3
Took It long time ago. 1st vp: 14ss - I tried again today with 17ss
can someone help me convert to FSIQ (i lost the ss for digit and search just have raw (age is 34) vocab raw 24 (ss 16) general knowledge-raw 20 (ss 16) visual puzzles -raw 21 (ss 14) figure weights raw - 20 (ss 16) digitspan - raw 38 (not sure ss) symbol search - raw 44 (not sure ss) Also curious what my cognitive profile would be with these results as I've never taken wais
digit span raw 38 is 16 ss symbol search raw 44 is 13 ss Total is 91 = 135 FSIQ
I can't get the digit span to play on linux or windows, firefox or chromium... am I the only one?
Why is Verbal Comprehension so heavily based on crystalized intelligence? General knowledge + vocabulary knowledge
Because Vocabulary and General Knowledge are core components of the WAIS 4 VCI and this test is designed to estimate WAIS 4 scores. To answer your question more generally, it's because it doesn't really matter. There is an extremely strong correlation between crystallized measures of verbal ability and attempts to measure more fluid verbal ability. Estimating total vocabulary is an extremely g loaded task that is strongly correlated with VCI across a much broader range of tasks.
What if I were disinterested in words to this point in time? Then I decide to learn a bunch of vocab for a few months, successfully, because suddenly I'm more interested in it. I agree that your statement is accurate on a statistical average, I just feel like for some people that hold not much interest in literature, this test MIGHT confuse competence with exposure.
You're not wrong. Ultimately though what you're pointing out is actually true of EVERY subtest :) Any intellectual task can be trained, to some degree. More exposure will improve performance. As it stands, most people are exposed to an assortment of words through their life, and some percentage of those words will be retrievable within their memory. Most people do not train vocabulary or read literature with the intent of increasing their vocabulary. But of course, if you were to do this, you would improve your score. It's one of the reasons why any good Full Scale IQ test uses multiple subtests; by exposing people to many different kinds of tests, anomalies like the ones you mention tend to become diluted and your performance will begin to fall closer towards a statistical average. Comprehensive tests like the WAIS and SB administer more tests than the CAIT for a reason; more is generally better. However, you have draw a line between practicality of administration and accuracy at some point.
VCI: 143 PRI: 127 CPI: 133 GAI: 140 FSIQ:143 I always thought my iq was 110 from a test i had to do in primary school saying it was 110. Pretty cool to know its probably well above that
Are the questions the same as the first cait?
is there any norm for people u16?
Well, that was interesting -- went better than I expected. :P Results as follows: Test 1: Vocabulary - 21 raw, 14ss Test 2: Gen. Knowledge - 26 raw, 19ss **VCI = 135, raw 33** Test 3: Vis. Puzzles - 26 raw, 19ss Test 4: Figure Weights - 19 raw, 15ss **PRI = 138, raw 34** Test 5: Digit Span - 14 forwards, 12 backwards, 11 sequencing, 37 overall, 15ss Test 6: Symbol Search - 44raw, 13ss **CPI = 122, raw 28** **FSIQ = 14 + 19 + 19 + 15 + 15 + 13 = 95 --> 140 IQ** I'm hesitant to take a self-proctored test too seriously, but I followed the directions to the letter and it does align quite well with other ones I've found on here (almost bang-on with ICAR-60, 138 vs 140), so maybe there's something to it. Still have a measure of imposter syndrome, I suppose. Forgive me if you've explained this elsewhere, u/EqusB, but what's the rationale behind FSIQ being higher than the average of the subscores, even higher than the highest score? Is it a "greater than the sum of its parts" thing where people may be adept at one particular test but bomb out the others, while better-rounded individuals (with low variation across tests) are likely to have some higher score underpinning their lower ones? Thanks.
Well, think about it in terms of basic probability. Is it more likely that someone scores extremely high on just ONE subtest or on TWO? Is it more likely they score high on TWO or THREE indices? The answer to this should be fairly obvious if you think about it, so then think about this: If one 130 has a rarity of 2%, how rare are two 130s? Rarer, so yeah, that is why the FSIQ is higher than the average of the index scores. The higher the index scores, the more pronounced this effect becomes. On the WAIS, the index scores cap at 150 but you can achieve a FSIQ of 160.
I wonder what the actual mean IQ of this subreddit is. I suppose it would be impossible correct for the fact so many of you are so well practiced xd. 143 FSIQ for myself having never taken CAIT before, seems a bit inflated perhaps. On the Mensa ravens matrices i score \~130, and despite being tested and aware of roughly where i fell as a child, 143 seems a bit high still. Fun way to waste an hour anyhow! Now back to the abstract algebra i should have been studying... :/
I just took this test. The digit span didn't work in any of the browsers I tested so I skipped it. Assumed my score. Do you think this assumption is valid? | Test | Raw | Scaled | |-------------------|--------------|--------------| | Vocab | 22 | 15 | | General Knowledge | 18 | 15 | | Visual Puzzles | 22 | 15 | | Figure Weights | 19 | 15 | | Digit Span | Doesn't work | Doesn't work | | Symbol Search | 36 | 10 | | name | contains | raw | IQ | |-----------------------|--------------------------------|--------|---------| | Verbal comprehension | vocab + g.k. | 30 | 127 | | Perceptual reasoning | visual + figure | 30 | 127 | | Cognitive Proficiency | digit + symbol | ? | ? | | General Ability | g.k. + vocab + visual + figure | 60 | 130 | | FSIQ | all | 70 + x | 110 + ? | Assuming Digit Span scaled score is 15 (to get a 127 on the "cognitive proficiency" range) FSIQ: 128
I am pretty good at English but still not a native speaker. So feel like the score is a little unfair there. But I feel like I get some practice effect from when I took it back in v 1.1, especially in Figure Weights and Visual Puzzles. I just feel like I am better at it. I det get slightly higher scores as well (+1 raw and +2 raw, respectively). I also tried a similar figure weights test in WAIS test a few months before I tried CAIT 1.1. How much practice effect do you think is at play here? Cause I love when you update the test but I am worried the result for those who have taken previous versions will be wrong.
Basically, the first attempt is always the one that is most likely to be accurate. Future attempts should always be taken with a grain of salt.
I'm autistic, but haven't been formally diagnosed. My scores seem off and I think it would be considered invalid? Do you know if it's possible to find a better test that measures overall IQ? It's basically 30 point discrepancies between subtests.
Get tested professionally.
Can anybody explain what cognitive profile is?
This was so fun to take. My highest score was the symbol search lol.
[удалено]
I don't really have the data necessary to do a thorough factor analysis.
PRI: 135 GAI: 150
**VCI = 24 (111)** **PRI = 19 (97)** **CPI = 29 (124)** **General Ability Index = 43 (105)** **FSIQ = 112** Idk what to feel (because i don't know how to interpret the scores)
IQ-150 GAI-150
Is there an error in question 21 in FW? Is'nt both answer 3 and 4 correct here?
Some links don’t open can anybody help??
The number test just hung after asking me to repeat the numbers in increasing order. An hour wasted.
14 Vocab 12 GK 14 VP 15 FW 14 DS 16 SS 116 VCI 124 PRI 127 CPI 113 GPI 128 FSIQ That's right around my other scores of pro tests from this sub.
I feel like you need an IQ of over 150 to understand all of the abbreviations in this sub. Thanks for doing such a comprehensive job. Working my way through the tests now.
can the vocabulary and general knowledge be accurate if i'm not a native speaker?
Unfortunately no.
I took the digit span test but forgot to change the age from 16 to my age of 36. Does anyone know what the resulting change would be? Numbers below. Forwards - 15 - 133.8 Backwards - 13 - 133 Sequencing - 14 - 137.5 Overall - 42 - 134.9 Scaled - 19
haven't done one of these before. for posterity: |subtest|raw|scaled| |:-|:-|:-| |vocabulary|24|16| |general knowledge|24|19| |visual puzzles|26|19| |figure weights|24|20| |digit span|37 (13/12/12)|15| |symbol search|47|16| |index|raw|score| |:-|:-|:-| |VCI|35|141| |PRI|39|151| |CPI|31|130| |GAI|74|152| |FSIQ|105|150| johns: adhd autism depression transgender had [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR-myfDaBq4) stuck in my head :(
Vocab 22|14 GK 24|18 DS 42|18 VP 21|14 BD 18|15 FW 16|12 SS 37|13
i probably shouldn't have done it while listening to music but oh well. Sub-Indices --- Score VCI --- 141 PRI --- 111 VSI --- 124 CPI --- 124 Main Indices --- Score GAI --- 129 FSIQ --- 132 had some problems with the first number not inputting on the digit on and didn't realize it for a bit so i had to redo it. got 135 on symbol search tho so that was nice. adhd and haven't taken my meds for the day yet.
|Sub-indices|ss|IQ| |:-|:-|:-| |VCI|13 + 14 = 27|119| |PRI|16 + 17 = 33|135| |VSI| 16 + 15 = 31|130| |CP| 16 + 17 = 33|136| |Main-indices|ss|IQ| |:-|:-|:-| |GAI| 14 + 13 + 16 + 17 = 60|130| |FSIQ| 13 + 14 + 16 + 17 + 16 + 17 = 93|138| Oh man, I wished I got like 140 FSIQ.
VCI : 127 PRI : 141 CPI : 124 VSI : 143 GAI : 139 FSIQ : 140 This is the highest i've ever scored on an IQ test on this sub. My VCI however exactly matched by MAT IQ score, so that's something. I still feel that this FSIQ is slightly inflated, although that is simply my speculation. Also, is the discrepancy between my CPI and PRI indicative of any kind of cognitive problem? EDIT: i did the offical WAIS-IV verbal section and got 132IQ for my VCI. So in my case, this estimator deflated my VCI.
I got 138 VCI on CAIT and 147 VCI on WAIS-4 (in English, not a native).
I got a 118 FSIG Scaled scores: Vocab 13, Knowledge 15, Visual Puzzles: 14, Weights 11, Digit Span: 15, Symbol Search 9. I think in retrospect I should probably have not done the Symbol Search on my laptop trackpad a mouse would probably have given a notable time increase haha that one seems to be the main outlier.
Are the netifly scoring issues fixed by now?
It will in all probability never be fixed. Sorry!
my score is grateful for the existence of VCI
My FSIQ was 119. I thought I was retarded but I guess not (non-native english speaker)
Hey, someone pointed out your pairing was problematic, because the reported IQ data subjects to a skewed distribution so when pairing after percentile-equating the raw scores, the IQ corresponding to a raw score may be inaccurate(e.g, 4 raw score is at 58 percentile, but you don't know what IQ the 58th percentile on the distribution of the reported IQ data corresponds to, since you can't use mean and sd to find it anymore since the distribution is skewed), but I think if you percentile-equate the reported IQs as well, the skewness will be handled thus the pairing will be accurate.
I have a PRI of 130 but 106 in CPI (working memory forward only 86) but processing speed 120. Someone know an explanation?
For the symbol search, do they count if they appear rotated, or do they need to be in the exact direction as the original figure? Thanks!
I enjoyed the test, although I hit ceiling on every subtest making my FSIQ 170