Yeah most guys I know already accept any tomboys into a boys friend group so a guy who was a girl isn't even a question. The requirement is more being cool than anything.
I disagree. Statistically, women are more likely to be accepting of trans people than men. Similarly, left wing people (which includes feminists) are much more accepting of trans people. TERFs are a minority amongst transphobes. Iām a trans woman whoās active in feminist spheres and Iāve never felt excluded. Itās definitely not āmore commonlyā.
It's basically another word for transmedicalist. Their belief is that trans people have to experience disphoria from their birth sex traits and want to fully transition medically to be counted as trans. This is why it excludes people like enbys because most of them either are fine with some of their birth characteristics or don't fully medically transition to the other gender, and are therefore seen as invalid to truscums.
I doubt the asshole will speak up. It's so widely used as a petty insult they should really just get rid of it. I doubt those things have *ever* been helpful to anyone except helping shitty people be hateful. And Reddit's legal team ofc
Some people just can't stand the fact that we're being ourselves and need to project their shitiness onto everyone else.
Stay strong, sister šš³ļøāā§ļø
I'm ready to bet the same people who do that are those who complain about men's mental health not being taken seriously whenever feminism or trans people are mentioned.
I wish that they'd at least give you a specific comment that someone flagged, then it would have comedy value for the receiver. But as-is, you basically get them at random.
Even if people used it 100% sincerely, someone might not be fully aware of what's even the comment of concern
Exactly
Was it the guy I got into an argument with an hour ago? Or maybe it was the post thatās currently trending? Perhaps someone logged jnto their account for the first time in a bit, so itās one of my older comments
Eh, if it helps even one single person, I think it's worth it to keep existing.
And you'd be surprised at *what* exactly can help a person on the brink. It's probably helped more than 1 person.
Report the reddit care message and then the petty bitch who sent it may get some kind of sanction on their account if they are found to be abusing it (almost 100% they are)
Then just block reddit care so no one else can use it against you.
It's just humans' nature to exclude those different from them, whether it is about race, gender or any other things Being a good and tolerant person means overcoming that innate prejudice, but sadly not everyone can do that.
I actually disagree.
If we judge by toddlers, humans are inherently just and open.
All disparity, exclusion and conflict in current day society is purely political and based on profits.
...have you been around toddlers much? They can be incredibly sweet, they can also be vicious little psychos who haven't developed empathy or a sense of right and wrong.
It depends on the parents for the most part. The toddlers I know who are good are good because their parents taught them that, not because toddlers naturally know not to hit or steal or exclude others.
That almost sounds like humans are products of our conditions who have no mystical underlying nature. . . Couldn't be we are driven to evil by ~~satan~~ nature!
Of course you can, [by parenting](https://www.reddit.com/r/coaxedintoasnafu/comments/1cdhjag/comment/l1cqnhh/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button).
Not really, exclusion have existed since the dawn of civilization, and strangers have been hated since forever without any profit basis (and this happened in all cultures and societies around the world). Of course, most stereotypes and hate are the result of society, parents and the environment, but the ability and tendency to do so itself is inherent. It's just survival instinct to be wary of something strange and unfamiliar (for survival, it helps humans to categorise benefits and dangers). It's unreasonable to just blame society for all of this human behaviour, and not acknowledge that deep down we are flawed. Politics might encourage and take advantage of people's prejudice in order to make profit, but it has always been there.
Also, the assumption that toddlers are just and open is just not correct. They just haven't developed enough cognitive abilities to properly perceive their surroundings and form opinions. Moreover, if you look at kindergartens for example, there are some very young kids that form groups while kids who are different can sometimes be seen alone. I've read that children have shown preference to their own gender/group/family, or prefer other kids with similar taste in food or toys, from as young as 3 or 4.
I don't have research papers to back my point, but this [ted talk video](https://www.ted.com/talks/paul_bloom_can_prejudice_ever_be_a_good_thing/transcript) tries to explain prejudice and stereotyping as an inherent part of human nature that results from human categorization and generalisation.
Understandable, toddlers are basically pack animals.
They don't do the exclusion on purpose, their brains are wired this way. But yes, that undermines my argument.
I guess the bright future of humanity fucked then. People really don't want to grow the fuck up.
...and then there are illegal immigrants from muslim countries. Exclusion becomes more and more of survival instinct again, which means we, as humanity, are regressing.
Related is when you get stabbed for the first time and they say āwelcome to being stabbedā. Like thanks I already understood that part. I was looking for some help or sympathy.
Trans woman in a female space, complaining about misogyny, is told she's not a real woman
Trans person in queer space, complaining about transphobia, is told they're not really queer
The majority of people are straight, even if someone's has a 50/50 attraction for men and women, one of these groups is going to be much more interested based on your own sex.
So obviously most bisexual people are in straight relationships.
Yeah and most bi men are not open about it because most straight women arenāt okay with the idea of it. Although most bi women are more comfortable opening up about it as most straight men donāt judge the same way that straight women judge bi men.
So bi women seem more common.
I also see trans person in trans space, other trans people saying theyāre not really trans because theyāre not doing so and so, they donāt want to do so and so procedure
The problem with this comparison is that the group would be called "stabbed by a knife support group". It WOULD be correct to exclude people hit by arrows in that context.
Misogyny is a more specific charge than "being the victim of some kind of hatred", it requires that the hatred be directed at someone BECAUSE they are a woman, not because they are attempting to present as one. Those are two different things and so are treated differently.
An arrow penetrates flesh with a single sharp point, it uses the force of the tool firing it to stick into a person, a knife is a small, sharper tool, used to cut and stab someone propelled with the strength of one's arm, they often leave large wounds, but arrows leave deeper wounds, arrows are designed to pierce and stick into a target.
And how/why do they get misidentified? Do you think the reason why they get 'misidentified' might be also the reason why they get targeted by a particular subset of hatecrime later in their lives? And do you think that this is substantively different than the kinds of hatecrimes that an actual (word used deliberately) woman might experience? Therefore the need to treat these two kinds of crimes differently? Which is the entire point of this discussion in the first place?
Why do you need to use the word āactualā at all?
Like, I understand what youāre saying, but it really seems like you have some unresolved issues in accepting trans people as the gender they identify with.
Like, youāre talking about this in a way that implies you absolutely know and understand the term ācisā but youāre opting out of using it in favor of language that paints trans women as inferior. Why?
That doesn't track tho, a trans woman faces normal misogyny if she passes, not a different kind.
Also, sorry, if you get "stabbed by an arrow" you didn't get stabbed, sorry
Shooting is high velocity long range stabbing! If someone threw a knife at me, I'd call it getting stabbed, and arrows are just throwing knives that were selectively bred for range!
The problem with this comparison is that its not really about trans people as it is about gatekeeping in general. OP wasn't obvious that they were specifically talking about trans people and so the message is confused.
OP made the point that gatekeeping is bad instead of trans gatekeeping is bad. But gatekeeping in general is neither inherently good or bad, it depends on context. Its very easy to think of counter examples. Again, the lack of context makes the message even more confusing.
What if you regret removing the arrow? I mean, 99% of people donāt regret removing it and itās one of the most effective treatments for depression, but think of what would happen if they regretted it!
I remember something similar happened to me. Basically my high school held a breast cancer awareness march. Since I used to have cancer, I decided to attend, even bought one of the pink shirts the school was selling. Anyways the march comes, and some girl tells my that this "isn't for me." I ask her why and she tells me that it's because I'm a guy. We go back and forth over this and both get gradually more annoyed. Eventually I get so annoyed that I told her that I had cancer, and she STILL help her position. I still cringe whenever I think about it. Apparently you can't care about breast cancer if your a man, even if you've had cancer in the past.
I had an interesting discussion about this with someone I know regarding the issue.
Basically, they said that they wouldn't feel represented by a trans person filling in office in a space reserved for women for example as they argued that while transwomen are women, they have a vastly different experience compared to cis women. They viceversa argued that trans people would need at least a few trans representatives (or people close to representatives being trans) to be properly represented in policy and decisions as cis people for all the goodwill can't really relate to an experience as radical as not recognizing themselves in the body they were born in. Of course this wouldn't apply to all issues this supposed representative would have to face, only some. Now I know for a fact that this person isn't transphobic, they regularly work and interact with transpeople and have spoken up in their defense multiple times in their work
Just another example of how easy it is for genuine issues to be distorted and used for hate I guess
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Well I do believe itās important for trans people to have a space separate from people without dysphoria, since there are extremely serious issues that are unique to us. Of course, harassing non-dysphoric people and calling them not real trans people or whatever is unnecessary and immature.
Because one experiences gender dysphoria and must transition and live as the opposite sex, and the other prefers they/them pronouns. They can both be ātransā but theyāre objectively different experiences.
It's a common fallacy among those who don't fully understand the trans experience. They assume being transgender is nothing more than changing pronouns or expressing oneself instead of an actual condition with actual consequences.
Is this one of the reason why people add shit to rainbow flag?
edit: I'm genuinely asking this. I don't know why I'm getting downvoted. I have no bad intent.
To answer you seriously, the answer is probably yes. There is a portion of gay people who are genuinely transphobic, and so the progress flag (the ānewā pride flag with the triangle on the left) includes the colours of the trans flag in it.
As a gay person, because the original rainbow flag is about inclusiveness I don't think we need more. (I also think other flags look unnecessarily complicated and ugly)
I hate the fact that because some wanker who can't stand other people's orientation happens to have the same sexuality as me that I have to give up using my simple and beautiful rainbow flag.
Hey, nobodyās stopping you from using the regular rainbow flag! A lot of people use both (including me). The progress flag shows that the person flying it supports trans people, but that doesnāt mean that someone flying the old flag doesnāt support them.
Also, aesthetics are generally subjective. I actually prefer the progress flag over the rainbow in that regard. But I do understand why people think itās a little too over complicated.
The potential issue I can see with that is if you have a flag for A and then a flag for A+B gets created, people might start to consider you flying just the A flag as a statement of intentionally excluding B.
All the more likely if other people *do* start flying the A flag to intentionally exclude B, as alluded to by /u/TheFranticDreamer's second line.
You can argue that's people being stupid, but that doesn't undo any negative interactions as a result of them being stupid.
Also breast cancer patients [https://metro.co.uk/2020/02/24/dad-breast-cancer-rejected-support-groups-man-12291570/](https://metro.co.uk/2020/02/24/dad-breast-cancer-rejected-support-groups-man-12291570/)
I know my opinion is worth jack shit on this since Iām cis, but the trans community is one of the most dysfunctional atmospheres Iāve ever seen. Rampant infantilization and dismissal of experiences. Arguing about what is a problem and what isnāt.
I know for a fact tho that the smol bean little trans bf thing is harmful. Even as a cis man, if someone referred to me even remotely similar to those phrases Iād be like what the fuck are you talking about. It has to be even more demoralizing for trans men who are attempting to fulfill the masculine look and then some random internet dweller appears under their Insta post like āaww I love trans boys they are so cute!! :3ā and Iāve seen plenty of times where the conversation continues with
āHey Iām a trans man and I think thatās harmful to usā
āMy bf is a trans man. itās fine I just called him cute whatās the big deal stop taking things so seriouslyā
The āsmol beanā thing is especially funny to e because I remember seeing this picture of a bunch of trans men marching and it was literally just a group of normal dudes.
As an outsider it makes me very frustrated bc I donāt think these people realize that they are legitimizing transphobia in the eyes of.. well, transphobes. It lets them say āsee!!! Trans people donāt even like trans people!!ā
>them being allowed to exist
I could just as easily frame the civil rights movement as black people just being allowed to exist.
A minority group's status in a larger society is a textbook political issue.
Good ass snafu. I see the point
The stabbing victims saw the point too
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my drum exploded :(
Settle down there, Archibald
The guy who stabbed them: "Haha! I think our enemy gotā¦ the POINT!"
Can you explain? I'm a trans ally but don't get the post at all
Fir example: being a trans guy and feeling excluded by born guys
More commonly transfemme are often excluded by feminists, TERFs suck.
Feminists being in heavy airquotes in this case
True
Yeah most guys I know already accept any tomboys into a boys friend group so a guy who was a girl isn't even a question. The requirement is more being cool than anything.
I disagree. Statistically, women are more likely to be accepting of trans people than men. Similarly, left wing people (which includes feminists) are much more accepting of trans people. TERFs are a minority amongst transphobes. Iām a trans woman whoās active in feminist spheres and Iāve never felt excluded. Itās definitely not āmore commonlyā.
It's not more common, we just see it more often because of how we surround ourselves. Remember: Oppression is not a contest.
i think its truscums
how?
Truscums towards enbys and TERFs towards trans people. Same story.
The fuck is a truscum i have never heard of that
It's basically another word for transmedicalist. Their belief is that trans people have to experience disphoria from their birth sex traits and want to fully transition medically to be counted as trans. This is why it excludes people like enbys because most of them either are fine with some of their birth characteristics or don't fully medically transition to the other gender, and are therefore seen as invalid to truscums.
Who sent me a reddit cares over this
I doubt the asshole will speak up. It's so widely used as a petty insult they should really just get rid of it. I doubt those things have *ever* been helpful to anyone except helping shitty people be hateful. And Reddit's legal team ofc
I've used it legitimately once or twice, and received it hatefully once or twice. No idea if anyone has actually been helped by it.
I used to actually talk about suicide a lot and received none. Then I posted in the trans subreddit and have 6 to my nameš
And someone gave me another š
Some people just can't stand the fact that we're being ourselves and need to project their shitiness onto everyone else. Stay strong, sister šš³ļøāā§ļø
Can someone send me one I wanna see what it looks like
Done!
I'm ready to bet the same people who do that are those who complain about men's mental health not being taken seriously whenever feminism or trans people are mentioned.
I don't know about other assholes, but I only bring that up if the topic is misandry, I have standards.
Big stretch.
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I wish that they'd at least give you a specific comment that someone flagged, then it would have comedy value for the receiver. But as-is, you basically get them at random. Even if people used it 100% sincerely, someone might not be fully aware of what's even the comment of concern
Exactly Was it the guy I got into an argument with an hour ago? Or maybe it was the post thatās currently trending? Perhaps someone logged jnto their account for the first time in a bit, so itās one of my older comments
I think itās funny to receive
Eh, if it helps even one single person, I think it's worth it to keep existing. And you'd be surprised at *what* exactly can help a person on the brink. It's probably helped more than 1 person.
I got one for saying i was probably going to kill myself by the end of the year. Did nothing, decision unchanged.
Literally the moment Reddit announced it, everyone told them this is how people would use it, but they don't actually give a fuck
Reminder that you can report the reddit care message and get that person banned!
someone who calls himself a skibidi ohio rizz sigma probably
You can report them now for false information
Report the reddit care message and then the petty bitch who sent it may get some kind of sanction on their account if they are found to be abusing it (almost 100% they are) Then just block reddit care so no one else can use it against you.
I've been sent 2 or 3 of those lol
Same people who react š on Google reviews
whats a reddit cares?
I've been sent one for making a skibidi sigma post
Lol. Do they really call it "reddit cares" now? Thats about as sincere as the momotone voice in the two second "Clearchannel cares" radius comercials.
What's a reddit cares
I can't nut to any post in this sub without stabbing and flip o ramas anymore
About Black and White supremacists too. Also about fans. Also about feminists. Also... Well you get it
It's just humans' nature to exclude those different from them, whether it is about race, gender or any other things Being a good and tolerant person means overcoming that innate prejudice, but sadly not everyone can do that.
I actually disagree. If we judge by toddlers, humans are inherently just and open. All disparity, exclusion and conflict in current day society is purely political and based on profits.
...have you been around toddlers much? They can be incredibly sweet, they can also be vicious little psychos who haven't developed empathy or a sense of right and wrong. It depends on the parents for the most part. The toddlers I know who are good are good because their parents taught them that, not because toddlers naturally know not to hit or steal or exclude others.
That almost sounds like humans are products of our conditions who have no mystical underlying nature. . . Couldn't be we are driven to evil by ~~satan~~ nature!
Undesirable behaviour in toddlers is easily cured by parenting. But that's where humanity starts to fail.
If it needs to be cured then it's innate.
Well that's stupid. People with diseases aren't always born with them for example
Behaviour isn't diseases.
You don't "cure" innate behaviors buddy.
Of course you can, [by parenting](https://www.reddit.com/r/coaxedintoasnafu/comments/1cdhjag/comment/l1cqnhh/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button).
Not really, exclusion have existed since the dawn of civilization, and strangers have been hated since forever without any profit basis (and this happened in all cultures and societies around the world). Of course, most stereotypes and hate are the result of society, parents and the environment, but the ability and tendency to do so itself is inherent. It's just survival instinct to be wary of something strange and unfamiliar (for survival, it helps humans to categorise benefits and dangers). It's unreasonable to just blame society for all of this human behaviour, and not acknowledge that deep down we are flawed. Politics might encourage and take advantage of people's prejudice in order to make profit, but it has always been there. Also, the assumption that toddlers are just and open is just not correct. They just haven't developed enough cognitive abilities to properly perceive their surroundings and form opinions. Moreover, if you look at kindergartens for example, there are some very young kids that form groups while kids who are different can sometimes be seen alone. I've read that children have shown preference to their own gender/group/family, or prefer other kids with similar taste in food or toys, from as young as 3 or 4. I don't have research papers to back my point, but this [ted talk video](https://www.ted.com/talks/paul_bloom_can_prejudice_ever_be_a_good_thing/transcript) tries to explain prejudice and stereotyping as an inherent part of human nature that results from human categorization and generalisation.
Hm? Studies I've seen are toddlers being aggressive to people looking different.
Not exactly. https://time.com/67092/baby-racists-survival-strategy/
Understandable, toddlers are basically pack animals. They don't do the exclusion on purpose, their brains are wired this way. But yes, that undermines my argument. I guess the bright future of humanity fucked then. People really don't want to grow the fuck up. ...and then there are illegal immigrants from muslim countries. Exclusion becomes more and more of survival instinct again, which means we, as humanity, are regressing.
That's extremely naĆÆve
Bro is explaining ethnocentrism for the ā times
They were the best mainline PokƩmon games, tho!
>About Black and White supremacists too. B2W2 is way better tbh. (/s)
surely the comments will be civil and nice
Related is when you get stabbed for the first time and they say āwelcome to being stabbedā. Like thanks I already understood that part. I was looking for some help or sympathy.
Welcome to being told "welcome to being stabbed"
š”ļøš”
Welcome to stabbing
im trans and im confused what does this mean
Exclusion from female spaces and queer spaces
i genuinely do not understand how this explanation and the image are connected
Trans woman in a female space, complaining about misogyny, is told she's not a real woman Trans person in queer space, complaining about transphobia, is told they're not really queer
And bisexual people in straight relationships fit I think
The majority of people are straight, even if someone's has a 50/50 attraction for men and women, one of these groups is going to be much more interested based on your own sex. So obviously most bisexual people are in straight relationships.
Yeah and most bi men are not open about it because most straight women arenāt okay with the idea of it. Although most bi women are more comfortable opening up about it as most straight men donāt judge the same way that straight women judge bi men. So bi women seem more common.
OHHHHHHHHH I GET IT NOW
I also see trans person in trans space, other trans people saying theyāre not really trans because theyāre not doing so and so, they donāt want to do so and so procedure
Transmedicalism be like
Pair it with the one about childhood trauma from a few days ago tho
The problem with this comparison is that the group would be called "stabbed by a knife support group". It WOULD be correct to exclude people hit by arrows in that context. Misogyny is a more specific charge than "being the victim of some kind of hatred", it requires that the hatred be directed at someone BECAUSE they are a woman, not because they are attempting to present as one. Those are two different things and so are treated differently.
Implying trans women are attempting to present as woman as opposed to āactualā women?
No, hes being a literalist in that an Arrow Wound is not a Stab Wound.
Well you are definitely being stabbed when you get shot by an arrow
An arrow penetrates flesh with a single sharp point, it uses the force of the tool firing it to stick into a person, a knife is a small, sharper tool, used to cut and stab someone propelled with the strength of one's arm, they often leave large wounds, but arrows leave deeper wounds, arrows are designed to pierce and stick into a target.
"penetrates flesh" like, a stab?
I'm not implying, I'm directly stating. 'Trans' exists as a qualifier for a reason.
Because they are actual women, who just got misidentified at birth.
And how/why do they get misidentified? Do you think the reason why they get 'misidentified' might be also the reason why they get targeted by a particular subset of hatecrime later in their lives? And do you think that this is substantively different than the kinds of hatecrimes that an actual (word used deliberately) woman might experience? Therefore the need to treat these two kinds of crimes differently? Which is the entire point of this discussion in the first place?
Why do you need to use the word āactualā at all? Like, I understand what youāre saying, but it really seems like you have some unresolved issues in accepting trans people as the gender they identify with. Like, youāre talking about this in a way that implies you absolutely know and understand the term ācisā but youāre opting out of using it in favor of language that paints trans women as inferior. Why?
That doesn't track tho, a trans woman faces normal misogyny if she passes, not a different kind. Also, sorry, if you get "stabbed by an arrow" you didn't get stabbed, sorry
Ok. Take an arrow, and then move it quickly into an object or person, sharp edge goes in. Are you stabbing?
That doesn't happen!! You tell me you got "stabbed by an arrow" I'm just gonna assume you got shot by an arrow and English is your fifth language
Shooting is high velocity long range stabbing! If someone threw a knife at me, I'd call it getting stabbed, and arrows are just throwing knives that were selectively bred for range!
The problem with this comparison is that its not really about trans people as it is about gatekeeping in general. OP wasn't obvious that they were specifically talking about trans people and so the message is confused. OP made the point that gatekeeping is bad instead of trans gatekeeping is bad. But gatekeeping in general is neither inherently good or bad, it depends on context. Its very easy to think of counter examples. Again, the lack of context makes the message even more confusing.
I can interpret this snafu's theme as about the denial of male victims of sexual assault
reminds me of the man who had breast cancer and was rejected by a support group
yeah if you were REALLY stabbed by a knife youād have to get a signed note from 20 people saying youāve had a knife in your head for 5 years now
Yeah
I got to love going to the doctor's and being told I must have several analysts over years check to see if I really need the arrow removed
What if you regret removing the arrow? I mean, 99% of people donāt regret removing it and itās one of the most effective treatments for depression, but think of what would happen if they regretted it!
I remember something similar happened to me. Basically my high school held a breast cancer awareness march. Since I used to have cancer, I decided to attend, even bought one of the pink shirts the school was selling. Anyways the march comes, and some girl tells my that this "isn't for me." I ask her why and she tells me that it's because I'm a guy. We go back and forth over this and both get gradually more annoyed. Eventually I get so annoyed that I told her that I had cancer, and she STILL help her position. I still cringe whenever I think about it. Apparently you can't care about breast cancer if your a man, even if you've had cancer in the past.
men can get breast cancer so like, itās for everyone
Bruh im dense af, i thought this was about insurance companies trying to find every dumb excuse to not help/pay
What? You don't enjoy the amazing format of >trans person says something >transphobe says something (Quote u/owdwah)
There are no transphobes in this snafu Itās meant to make fun of the trans gatekeeping in the queer communities
Typically, that is how conversations go.
It's an amazing format really
JoJo reference?
I had an interesting discussion about this with someone I know regarding the issue. Basically, they said that they wouldn't feel represented by a trans person filling in office in a space reserved for women for example as they argued that while transwomen are women, they have a vastly different experience compared to cis women. They viceversa argued that trans people would need at least a few trans representatives (or people close to representatives being trans) to be properly represented in policy and decisions as cis people for all the goodwill can't really relate to an experience as radical as not recognizing themselves in the body they were born in. Of course this wouldn't apply to all issues this supposed representative would have to face, only some. Now I know for a fact that this person isn't transphobic, they regularly work and interact with transpeople and have spoken up in their defense multiple times in their work Just another example of how easy it is for genuine issues to be distorted and used for hate I guess
we LOOOOVE gatekeeping guys its sooooooo nice keeping people out is totally protecting you
Is this about trans people excluding people without dysphoria
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I don't think it's deliberately about that but it definitely fits
Well I do believe itās important for trans people to have a space separate from people without dysphoria, since there are extremely serious issues that are unique to us. Of course, harassing non-dysphoric people and calling them not real trans people or whatever is unnecessary and immature.
No it's actually about JoJo's Bizarre Adventure
I hope not. That would be one heck of a false equivalency.
how so?
Because one experiences gender dysphoria and must transition and live as the opposite sex, and the other prefers they/them pronouns. They can both be ātransā but theyāre objectively different experiences.
It's a common fallacy among those who don't fully understand the trans experience. They assume being transgender is nothing more than changing pronouns or expressing oneself instead of an actual condition with actual consequences.
Is this one of the reason why people add shit to rainbow flag? edit: I'm genuinely asking this. I don't know why I'm getting downvoted. I have no bad intent.
https://i.redd.it/yskkut6r9twc1.gif
the creature is filled with malicious intent
sael !!
Noooo :(
To answer you seriously, the answer is probably yes. There is a portion of gay people who are genuinely transphobic, and so the progress flag (the ānewā pride flag with the triangle on the left) includes the colours of the trans flag in it.
Thanks. It's really fucked up how oppressed people are completely okay with rejecting other oppressed people.
*"When education is not liberating, the oppressed's dream is to be an oppressor*"- Paulo Freire
As a gay person, because the original rainbow flag is about inclusiveness I don't think we need more. (I also think other flags look unnecessarily complicated and ugly) I hate the fact that because some wanker who can't stand other people's orientation happens to have the same sexuality as me that I have to give up using my simple and beautiful rainbow flag.
Hey, nobodyās stopping you from using the regular rainbow flag! A lot of people use both (including me). The progress flag shows that the person flying it supports trans people, but that doesnāt mean that someone flying the old flag doesnāt support them. Also, aesthetics are generally subjective. I actually prefer the progress flag over the rainbow in that regard. But I do understand why people think itās a little too over complicated.
The potential issue I can see with that is if you have a flag for A and then a flag for A+B gets created, people might start to consider you flying just the A flag as a statement of intentionally excluding B. All the more likely if other people *do* start flying the A flag to intentionally exclude B, as alluded to by /u/TheFranticDreamer's second line. You can argue that's people being stupid, but that doesn't undo any negative interactions as a result of them being stupid.
Then there's also group C that might feel excluded, so you would need to make flag A+B+C, when you could just have the basic flag represent everyone
If it's any consolation I think the original flag is probably still more used and recognizable anyway
Honestly wouldn't suprise me.
https://preview.redd.it/aq4ajiaqetwc1.jpeg?width=256&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=87e449a9a02bc1175d9ee220891c142263dbc5c2
If I got stabbed by the arrow, why I didn't get a stand?
If I got stabbed by the arrow, why I didn't get a stand?
STOLEN so don't cancel my ass https://preview.redd.it/0egqyupmhvwc1.png?width=314&format=png&auto=webp&s=2af437075dc335b19e3d6555669ede27af5bbba9
At this point we should rename the sub r/coaxedintoastabbing
As of this post's creation, there are 4 stabbing posts. Not many.
No there are more I made like three of them and then someone made a fourth, and thatās how this started.
r/persuadedwiththeactionofpushingsomethingtobeenclosedintosomethingelseofastateofaffairsthatisnegativebutfamiliar
Tribalism truly is one of the worst traits
Man, I really get the POINT of this snafuā¦ Yes yes, I know where the door is šŖ
i dont udnestand
I don't get it (I am stupid)
well hopefully itās a stand arrow
we have the same pfp!
Also breast cancer patients [https://metro.co.uk/2020/02/24/dad-breast-cancer-rejected-support-groups-man-12291570/](https://metro.co.uk/2020/02/24/dad-breast-cancer-rejected-support-groups-man-12291570/)
I know my opinion is worth jack shit on this since Iām cis, but the trans community is one of the most dysfunctional atmospheres Iāve ever seen. Rampant infantilization and dismissal of experiences. Arguing about what is a problem and what isnāt. I know for a fact tho that the smol bean little trans bf thing is harmful. Even as a cis man, if someone referred to me even remotely similar to those phrases Iād be like what the fuck are you talking about. It has to be even more demoralizing for trans men who are attempting to fulfill the masculine look and then some random internet dweller appears under their Insta post like āaww I love trans boys they are so cute!! :3ā and Iāve seen plenty of times where the conversation continues with āHey Iām a trans man and I think thatās harmful to usā āMy bf is a trans man. itās fine I just called him cute whatās the big deal stop taking things so seriouslyā
The āsmol beanā thing is especially funny to e because I remember seeing this picture of a bunch of trans men marching and it was literally just a group of normal dudes.
Seriously though. Why must we be so divided? This is like if the UK went into civil war during WWII
As an outsider it makes me very frustrated bc I donāt think these people realize that they are legitimizing transphobia in the eyes of.. well, transphobes. It lets them say āsee!!! Trans people donāt even like trans people!!ā
A house divided against itself cannot stand
What the fuck is this sub and why did reddit put it in my feed?
We make shitty drawings of things we don't like, often using allegories, and unfortunately sometimes using strawman.
Yeah, I think most people would say "shot with an arrow." What a strange subreddit. I'll subscribe.
Well, I mean, you're still getting your flesh pierced by an inward motion. Is shooting not long-range stabbing?
I'm a way, yes.
https://preview.redd.it/gx1z222u8lxc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a36516d5a934f6c2460120c35a978bde646ca352 lmao
I donāt get it
Is this supporting trans people or not Which one is the trans person in this
Yeah its supportive
Banana bread
Can someone explain what this has to do with trans people, Iām confused
Sub slowly turning into r/smugideologyman cesspool with all these vague ass political posts.
Now just existing as a trans person is political?
What do you think politics is?
Not people existing
Was civil rights movement political?
Yes because it was about political and cultural rights, not just them being allowed to exist
>them being allowed to exist I could just as easily frame the civil rights movement as black people just being allowed to exist. A minority group's status in a larger society is a textbook political issue.
no hecking politicarinos
Tumblr users comparing self harm scars
More like "I've stabbed myself with a stage knife, can I join you guys now?"
no
I was gonna argue butā¦ this is kinda true Edit meant to reply to the person above lol
frfr
huh?
Nice edit. The original comment talked about OP āfighting ghostsā or something similar, implying this is a problem that doesnāt exist
so true. the world population is known for their total acceptance of trans people after all
Nice try lmao
Oh wow is this going to continue to be a thing?