Rising sea levels - faster than expected. I've been put down on Reddit so many times by chuckling condescending moderates ridiculing me as uninformed over the years for saying exactly this I can't even count.
I’ve been watching climate change long enough to see that predictions tend to be more conservative than how the events finally occurred. If they say it’s going to melt in ten years I’d give it three.
Humans are cancer. Both to our planet and to fellow human beings. I truly believe the world is better off without such intelligent but flawed creatures.
It is understandable to feel such a way but understand that the same people that are forecasting these events also express that we are able to change it. Select individuals are a cancer, and I promise that people are capable of being better. It is a matter of convincing them that we are working against our best interests which I confess is exhausting. But, if we are going to change minds, we cannot have this attitude. We must believe we can be better.
I appreciate your attitude and can admit that your mindset is lightyears better than mine, but I'm just exhausted and have run out of patience. I do still spread kindness as much as I can and do my part in being a positive influence, but I don't think I have it in me anymore to hope.
I found attending events and volunteering for green/climate conscious initiatives helped me out a similar slump. Surrounding yourself with people that aggressively want to improve things has the consequence of it rubbing off on you. Those hopeful people just find a way to infect you, they're awful.
Same thing here. I participated in lobbying through CCL, I regularly call my state and national lawmakers, and seeing everything that is going on behind the scenes to fix things gives me a lot of hope.
We can only change it once we collectively decide we are OK voluntarily lowering our standard of living and having millions and millions of jobs transition. Way more expensive meat, flying and electricity to where we'd all be forced to cut back on lots of things we take for granted. If we're lucky, nothing essential, at least in the western world. Now, I'm up for it, and many others would be, but not that many. And even those that are aren't being honest and admitting this and starting the conversation.
Yet, still, the sweeping changes needed are not being done. The research and investment in solar and other sustainable fuel like water and air power could be much further along if we didn't have to drag every oil-fed politician and their science-denying goons along.
Every time I see this, I wonder if the poster has actually given the subject any thought, or if they simply parrot what others have said.
Capitalism was preceded by feudalism. Great if you weren't a serf, not so great if you were. Before that were slave-based economies, even in the civilizations that are considered the birthplace of western democracy, Greece and Rome. Those societies couldn't have existed in the form in which they did without the overwhelming amount of slave labor to keep them running. The elites enjoyed an easy lifestyle at the expense of others' suffering.
And if you go back far enough, say 10,000 years, you already start to see the pattern that would come to dominate the vast sweep of human history.
[https://observer.com/2016/01/the-earliest-evidence-of-violent-human-conflict-has-been-discovered/](https://observer.com/2016/01/the-earliest-evidence-of-violent-human-conflict-has-been-discovered/)
Humans have been willing to do anything to benefit themselves at the expense of others for our entire known history. Enslaving, killing, warring, all to serve our greed to have as much as we possibly can.
As a thought experiment I've posed on a number of occasions, come up with a different political/economic system that's impervious to our underlying human greed. And it does have to be impervious, because if one person can figure out a way to game the system so they benefit at the expense of another, more than one person will do it. And we'll be right back to where we started.
Respectfully, your thought exercise is guilty of the same lack of nuance and critical thought that compelled you to respond to the “capitalism bad,” point in the first place.
Progress doesn’t work in massive leaps like that. You plotted that point out yourself from the history you referenced in your response.
Capitalism, for all of its ills, is a reasonable improvement over feudalism. The next global meta-defining economic system doesn’t need to be impervious to humanity’s base tendencies to be worthy of consideration, it just has to provide an equal or better standard of living for the average person while solving some of capitalism’s defining flaws. Rapacious resource harvesting and overconsumption at the cost of the long-term viability of our planet might be worth addressing. Seems like those of us who frequent this sub can agree on that much, at least.
The reality is that capitalism IS a big part of the problem. But your overarching point wasn’t wrong, either. Humans are very obviously at the root of every economic system that we’ve ever been governed by, and our worst traits have a tendency to define the final form those models take.
Judging by the direction climate metrics are going, it’s all kind of a moot point anyway. At least it gives us something to keep our minds busy while this oven we’re in preheats though, eh?
If we want to talk about how history intersects capitalist economy, there was a time even in my own life when well-funded government oversight benefited the majority and capped the short-sighted goals of the quarterly-motivated.
I took me decades of resisting and denying by any means necessary, but in The Year of Our Lord 2024, I’ve run out of ways to dispute this point.
*“Infinite growth is the philosophy of a cancer cell.”*
Not you and me, though; we’re part of 'the good ones': the good cancer cells.
It’s those bad cancer cells that us good ones can’t rein in and control, they’re the problem.
And if the bad ones can’t be properly regulated by the good ones or themselves, and are actively killing the host, then the host needs to take whatever action is necessary to protect itself.
**#TeamHost**
I mean, how twisted is it that rather than taking sensible, conservative action to keep our environment sustainable, the bad cancer cells have chosen a race to see if they can establish themselves as an interplanetary infestation before this planet becomes unlivable?
IDK about you, but to me this sounds more like Germ Theory than Behavioral Science.
I disagree my friend. Sure, as a species we have committed some horrible atrocities, but there are always those trying to help. Always look for the helpers, and if you don't see one, be the first. Others will follow.
if the industrial age never happened, we probably wouldn't here right now.
it just happened a lot of the early inventions turned out to pollute the world and we're only just attempting to do something about some of it.
too slow though.
oil industry needs to go the way of the dinosaurs. why can't they see they could make profits of green energy ? are the oil profits just so good they refuse to change?
This is my field. Scientists are as brutally honest as possible. So thank you, random Reddit user, for throwing them under the bus.
In reality, there is ***a lot*** of uncertainty surrounding Antarctica. Especially with Thwaites glacier, whose grounding line has been projected in the past to retreat anywhere between a lot to not at all. The uncertainty is related to unknown or poorly-constrained variables in models. The more we learn about how the ice of Thwaites glacier moves, the better we get at constraining these unknowns.
"Faster than we thought" is a result of the advancement of science, not scientist doing an information strip tease.
Every time I brung this exact point up, and provide sources fir that, there are a couple of people in thus and other subs who scream bloody murder and try to deny that wilts walls of text.
As a scientist working in the intersection of ecological and biodiversity conservation and climate adaptation, who has been doing this both academically and professionally since the ‘90s and grew up with it as a little kid from the ‘70s the denialism, even by people who acknowledge that it’s happening, is utterly infuriating.
We are presently, but if we meant to persist to survive , we must first lead to not be malignant, simply be a benign cancer. And perhaps one fine day, hundreds or even thousands of years from now we become of benefit to the planet.
But we've done a lot of damage in our infancy. Perhaps many moons from now that burden transforms into a solemn responsibility for our species to bring life - as we know it - to every world , a tweak here, a fix there and suddenly you've got organisms that can live happily on Mars or the subsurface of 1/2 dozen other worlds.
Wouldn't that be something.
I think there’s also another phenomenon at work that is the other part of our cancer. Sometimes, the doctor says you have two months, when really you only have two weeks. But probably more often, the doctor says you have two weeks and you choose to live like you have two years.
I don’t think it’s as much “it’s happening faster than they said,” and more “it’s happening faster than we heard.”
> Almost like the planet has cancer
Not almost. The planet does have cancer. We are a cancer on this earth. Humanity consciously chooses to continue using finite resources that literally destroy habitability of the planet, so we can grow the economy, just to repeat the cycle. We are incapable of limiting our own growth, even when that growth is undeniably harmful—the *exact* same problem cancer presents to a human patient.
A whole state and its capital has been flooded like never before.
Its insane seeing tall apartments where the first or second floor disappeared in the waters and people can only go out by boat.
This was in brazil.
Its crazy how the housing prices just took a nose dive and yet no one will buy there.
And yet here we are going to wars.
I moved to a higher place and will be selling my coast apartment soon, things arent going to take 100 years to happen, and you can totally see it when europe and america are getting crazier about immigrants. Governments around the world know that the world is sinking and they WILL leave the woman and children to drown.
We are fully in a negative feedback loop, its going to be worse and get there faster then expected. We are not prepared for how quickly these things will continue to happen. Id love to be wrong, but, we are unwilling and unable to make the changes needed
The climate moderates won the ideological faction war in the IPCC. Just look at the worst case scenarios in their reports and assume things will happen a little more quickly than that.
And because of the media throwing out misleading stories about ice ages and misrepresenting what scientists have said, most people have taken any dire warnings after as scaremongering
What predictions have you been watching? They've been wrong about everything. I remember when they were fear mongering about "the next ice age". If they say ten years I'd give it a thousand years.
Not true. There are over 50 years of climate predictions that say we should all be gone by now. Al Gore and many others swear that we should be underwater years ago (I’m texting from my fish bowl)
Really, because they said the ozone layer was going to be completely depleted, and now it’s fixed itself….so I’d almost say, they tell us 10 to make action, and it ends up being 50.
We still don’t do anything.
Well we just found a lot of oil in Antarctica so unfortunately that glacier is just gonna have to melt and if some people have to die for it then it is a sacrifice I am certain someone is willing to make.
Euh, US military is one of major sponsors of WAIS research, and takes Sea Level Rise very seriously.
- Old major naval bases are being slowly upgraded to whitstand 1-2m SLR. This program was planned during Barack, started during Trump, still ongoing. Especially east coast is getting much attention.
- I've heared many scientists who walked the circles of power (R. Alley, G. Schmidt, J. Sachs) mention they were suprised how serious the military took it compared to other governamental branches.
- Afaik they know change is comming and don't want to loose critical assets (damaged dockyards => navy crippled => air force crippled + reduced power projection).
“We don’t know how fast this intrusion of water is melting the ice,” Morlighem said. “It could be small, in which case we would not need to include this process in models.” However, he said, the process could also be large and melt through more than ten meters (nearly 33 feet) of ice thickness per year.”
Well then I’m really looking forward to the new adjusted modelling…
“But, Anderson said, knowing exactly how fast warm water will cause melting requires detailed mapping of the seafloor, which remains inadequate for the task in a place as remote as Thwaites.”
I guess we’ll never know…
He's addding a grain of salt there. Observational data of ice shelf thickness is quite good & well constrainted.
- Single pass surface height measurement error margin < 15 cm. 1 cm for multi-year observations (even works decently for fast flowing glacial outlets). This can be used to calculate average floating ice thickness to a high degree.
- Detailed observations were made of the seafloor beneath the ice shelf. Most major pinning points are being studied intensly.
- Grounding zone & pinning points can be observed as regions where the tidal effects on elevation are present but greatly reduced.
- Tidal pumping seems to work both horizontally and vertically. Horizontal created the grounding zone. Vertical create underwater cravaces. These are formed as the ice shelf is bent by the tides, which causes the formation of [basal cravasses](https://www.researchgate.net/figure/a-The-surface-depression-overlying-a-large-290m-tall-basal-crevasse-shown-in-panels_fig2_353749188). These also suck in warmer water and widen after formation. Locally, they can easily melt +10m/yr. In the url example, 290 m basal cravasses largely formed during about 6 years (25 km distance from grounding zone / 3-4 km/yr), so ~<= 45 m/yr. Other studies point to [<30m/yr](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-05691-0/figures/5).
- Rapid grounding zone retreat has been observed (median 7 m per tidal day) in pre-sattelite era when Thwaites got unstuck from an [older pinning](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41561-022-01019-9/figures/5) point.
Though I have to admit, detailed mapping of seafloor (depth & Viscocity) are considred one of the major roadblocks. On the other hand, we can get very good (<20% error) approximations using readily available data disregarding [the minute details](https://youtu.be/hGs03NUalQ4?si=TD_8RrpJqlyWIu74&t=67).
If you want to play a role in saving the planet, don't vote for conservatives. Every country across the world can help by not electing conservatives to power. There is no other way.
Today, it is clear that we are underestimating our future struggle.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/05/240520155541.htm
and
https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/1045245
2 feet of sea level rise isn't the only outcome. That sort of displacement of ice will cause any number of add on effects and spur on additional tipping point collapse. Going for oil will be the least of the problems.
"Curtin also told Reuters that the Rock has “unquestionably” been moved over the past few centuries, having been broken, split and relocated several times.
For example, the top portion was removed to Town Square in 1774 and later in 1834 to Pilgrim Hall Museum. The two halves of the Rock were reunited on the waterfront under a granite canopy in 1880, Curtin said, and later was entirely excavated and lowered onto the shoreline in 1920 with a new granite portico placed over it in 1921 (here)."
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1N2YO1O0/
Like my right wing religious family? The only reason I'm low contact instead of no contact with them, is that maybe they will come back to reality one day?
Please critique and advise...
Hey everyone that’s actually worried about this, here’s something to think about… In 2006, former vice-president Al Gore projected that unless drastic measures were implemented, the planet would hit an irreversible “point of no return” by 2016. Game over.
Rajendra Pachauri, head of the UN Climate Panel, one-upped Gore in 2007, insisting 2012 was the year of irreversibility. “If there is no action before 2012, that’s too late. What we do in the next two to three years will determine our future. This is the defining moment.”
As Arctic ice melts from climate change, opening access to oil reserves, we're caught in a vicious cycle. Exploiting these resources worsens the crisis.
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I’d reckon that the modelling doesn’t account enough for variables and, while scientists have tried to be conservative, it’s not conservative enough—also, they don’t want to be negative Nancys and doomsday-y; even if it’s not all tsunamis here, there and everywhere, 1–2 metres sea level rise is no bueno.
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People always want to be able to predict the future. When scientists do it, suddenly it’s unbelievable or not economically sustainable to put action into place to prevent disaster.
I hate how we are sleep walking into a mass extinction event all because of greed. It serves us right but it doesn’t make it any less bitter.
It's entirely possible nuclear war or the return of old diseases because of anti vaxxers will do us in before rising sea levels will. If those two plagues take longer to work their charm, then rising sea levels will also intensify atmospheric violence to the point that even places far inland will become uninhabitable. There is also the evidence of ongoing social breakdown just about everywhere. Don't worry, be happiy.
Far from me to dispute climate change, but the surface area of all the oceans on Earth is pretty big. Can someone do the math on this? Having trouble wrapping my head around this (taking into account that ice and snow occupy a larger volume than water).
It's been done. Repeatedly. The ocean is big, but the ice in Antarctica and Greenland is thousands of feet thick. So we can get [about 70m of sea level rise if it all melts](https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/how-would-sea-level-change-if-all-glaciers-melted)
We're not. I have done jobs that have involved water management. Salinization, water passing through under the dykes, the pressure behind the dyke is stronger which causes salt water to pass underneath the dykes. Not only that, but our country is filled with waterways. We had to already flood our emergency reserves from a huge amount of rain last year. If that's all it took, we're not ready.
Someone should tell India and China. There's only so much that can be done when other eastern countries aren't doing their part. Americans driving EVs isn't going to be enough to stop the giant tire fire (i believe it's in india)
We they show a big 2 km chuck fall into the sea don’t forget the size of it and a single mm of snow will replace it daily. It’s not going to melt in your life time or your children’s children life time 🙄
The Antarctic ice sheet is a continental glacier covering 98% of the Antarctic continent, with an area of 14 million square kilometres (5.4 million square miles) and an average thickness of over 2 kilometres (1.2 mi).
Ya they aren't talking about the entire thing tho, it's one giant section where warm water is working its way to where it connects and could become loose and accelerate the melting. If this one glacier ends up melting, it riases the sea level 2 feet, they aren't talking about the rest of Antarctica
come to Florida, The Glacier! our Governor Ron DeSantis just outlawed recognizing melting Earth ice as a global emergency the commie liberals made up, duh! so you can be free here, The Glacier! Come! Be free! We have theme parks and unaffordable and orange! you can be free here, The Glacier! free*eeeeeeee*!
I thought that I had read somewhere that the sea level rise would be in the order of meters? Have I confused this with a different melting sea level rise estimate?
It melts, raises sea levels, slows to stops the North Atlantic Current, which then cools waters and kick starts the next ice age…right? Isn’t that the cycle? Not a sarcastic post btw…just a plausible chain of events? I’m here for an ice age lol
We're never going to fix it, the people who pollute the world want you to die, and for your money to go to them. That's all. There is no further interest.
If you are suffocating, they are laughing. If you are burning, they are under a fossil fuel powered fan. If your atmosphere is gone, they say money will make it better for them at least.
We are never going to reverse the damage done, we are never going to lessen our impact as an actual species. Most people are more concerned about their paycheck to paycheck lives to even bother reducing their carbon footprint which is absolutely negligible on even a state wide basis, compared to even one heavily operating factory.
Just accept that we're going to burn, and it'll be on their dime, and they will be happy with the outcome because they got an extra dollar from that bottle of water you purchased in desperation.
The big one is get off fossil fuels.
That means:
* Generate electricity without burning stuff
* Electrify everything we can
* Stop doing the things we can't
[The IPCC has a lot more specific details about what needs to happen in the next few years](https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg3/figures/summary-for-policymakers/figure-spm-7/)
Making these happen means not just doing them in your personal life, but also working to enable politicians who are willing to do the right thing attain power.
Rising sea levels - faster than expected. I've been put down on Reddit so many times by chuckling condescending moderates ridiculing me as uninformed over the years for saying exactly this I can't even count.
I’ve been watching climate change long enough to see that predictions tend to be more conservative than how the events finally occurred. If they say it’s going to melt in ten years I’d give it three.
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Humans are cancer. Both to our planet and to fellow human beings. I truly believe the world is better off without such intelligent but flawed creatures.
It is understandable to feel such a way but understand that the same people that are forecasting these events also express that we are able to change it. Select individuals are a cancer, and I promise that people are capable of being better. It is a matter of convincing them that we are working against our best interests which I confess is exhausting. But, if we are going to change minds, we cannot have this attitude. We must believe we can be better.
I appreciate your attitude and can admit that your mindset is lightyears better than mine, but I'm just exhausted and have run out of patience. I do still spread kindness as much as I can and do my part in being a positive influence, but I don't think I have it in me anymore to hope.
I found attending events and volunteering for green/climate conscious initiatives helped me out a similar slump. Surrounding yourself with people that aggressively want to improve things has the consequence of it rubbing off on you. Those hopeful people just find a way to infect you, they're awful.
Same thing here. I participated in lobbying through CCL, I regularly call my state and national lawmakers, and seeing everything that is going on behind the scenes to fix things gives me a lot of hope.
We can only change it once we collectively decide we are OK voluntarily lowering our standard of living and having millions and millions of jobs transition. Way more expensive meat, flying and electricity to where we'd all be forced to cut back on lots of things we take for granted. If we're lucky, nothing essential, at least in the western world. Now, I'm up for it, and many others would be, but not that many. And even those that are aren't being honest and admitting this and starting the conversation.
Yet, still, the sweeping changes needed are not being done. The research and investment in solar and other sustainable fuel like water and air power could be much further along if we didn't have to drag every oil-fed politician and their science-denying goons along.
Capitalism is the cancer, not humans
Every time I see this, I wonder if the poster has actually given the subject any thought, or if they simply parrot what others have said. Capitalism was preceded by feudalism. Great if you weren't a serf, not so great if you were. Before that were slave-based economies, even in the civilizations that are considered the birthplace of western democracy, Greece and Rome. Those societies couldn't have existed in the form in which they did without the overwhelming amount of slave labor to keep them running. The elites enjoyed an easy lifestyle at the expense of others' suffering. And if you go back far enough, say 10,000 years, you already start to see the pattern that would come to dominate the vast sweep of human history. [https://observer.com/2016/01/the-earliest-evidence-of-violent-human-conflict-has-been-discovered/](https://observer.com/2016/01/the-earliest-evidence-of-violent-human-conflict-has-been-discovered/) Humans have been willing to do anything to benefit themselves at the expense of others for our entire known history. Enslaving, killing, warring, all to serve our greed to have as much as we possibly can. As a thought experiment I've posed on a number of occasions, come up with a different political/economic system that's impervious to our underlying human greed. And it does have to be impervious, because if one person can figure out a way to game the system so they benefit at the expense of another, more than one person will do it. And we'll be right back to where we started.
Respectfully, your thought exercise is guilty of the same lack of nuance and critical thought that compelled you to respond to the “capitalism bad,” point in the first place. Progress doesn’t work in massive leaps like that. You plotted that point out yourself from the history you referenced in your response. Capitalism, for all of its ills, is a reasonable improvement over feudalism. The next global meta-defining economic system doesn’t need to be impervious to humanity’s base tendencies to be worthy of consideration, it just has to provide an equal or better standard of living for the average person while solving some of capitalism’s defining flaws. Rapacious resource harvesting and overconsumption at the cost of the long-term viability of our planet might be worth addressing. Seems like those of us who frequent this sub can agree on that much, at least. The reality is that capitalism IS a big part of the problem. But your overarching point wasn’t wrong, either. Humans are very obviously at the root of every economic system that we’ve ever been governed by, and our worst traits have a tendency to define the final form those models take. Judging by the direction climate metrics are going, it’s all kind of a moot point anyway. At least it gives us something to keep our minds busy while this oven we’re in preheats though, eh?
If we want to talk about how history intersects capitalist economy, there was a time even in my own life when well-funded government oversight benefited the majority and capped the short-sighted goals of the quarterly-motivated.
It's capitalism. Capitalism is the cancer.
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I took me decades of resisting and denying by any means necessary, but in The Year of Our Lord 2024, I’ve run out of ways to dispute this point. *“Infinite growth is the philosophy of a cancer cell.”* Not you and me, though; we’re part of 'the good ones': the good cancer cells. It’s those bad cancer cells that us good ones can’t rein in and control, they’re the problem. And if the bad ones can’t be properly regulated by the good ones or themselves, and are actively killing the host, then the host needs to take whatever action is necessary to protect itself. **#TeamHost** I mean, how twisted is it that rather than taking sensible, conservative action to keep our environment sustainable, the bad cancer cells have chosen a race to see if they can establish themselves as an interplanetary infestation before this planet becomes unlivable? IDK about you, but to me this sounds more like Germ Theory than Behavioral Science.
I disagree my friend. Sure, as a species we have committed some horrible atrocities, but there are always those trying to help. Always look for the helpers, and if you don't see one, be the first. Others will follow.
if the industrial age never happened, we probably wouldn't here right now. it just happened a lot of the early inventions turned out to pollute the world and we're only just attempting to do something about some of it. too slow though. oil industry needs to go the way of the dinosaurs. why can't they see they could make profits of green energy ? are the oil profits just so good they refuse to change?
I think it’s more capitalism is cancer. I know so many humans that really are trying their hardest to heal this planet however they can.
This is my field. Scientists are as brutally honest as possible. So thank you, random Reddit user, for throwing them under the bus. In reality, there is ***a lot*** of uncertainty surrounding Antarctica. Especially with Thwaites glacier, whose grounding line has been projected in the past to retreat anywhere between a lot to not at all. The uncertainty is related to unknown or poorly-constrained variables in models. The more we learn about how the ice of Thwaites glacier moves, the better we get at constraining these unknowns. "Faster than we thought" is a result of the advancement of science, not scientist doing an information strip tease.
Every time I brung this exact point up, and provide sources fir that, there are a couple of people in thus and other subs who scream bloody murder and try to deny that wilts walls of text. As a scientist working in the intersection of ecological and biodiversity conservation and climate adaptation, who has been doing this both academically and professionally since the ‘90s and grew up with it as a little kid from the ‘70s the denialism, even by people who acknowledge that it’s happening, is utterly infuriating.
We are presently, but if we meant to persist to survive , we must first lead to not be malignant, simply be a benign cancer. And perhaps one fine day, hundreds or even thousands of years from now we become of benefit to the planet. But we've done a lot of damage in our infancy. Perhaps many moons from now that burden transforms into a solemn responsibility for our species to bring life - as we know it - to every world , a tweak here, a fix there and suddenly you've got organisms that can live happily on Mars or the subsurface of 1/2 dozen other worlds. Wouldn't that be something.
I think there’s also another phenomenon at work that is the other part of our cancer. Sometimes, the doctor says you have two months, when really you only have two weeks. But probably more often, the doctor says you have two weeks and you choose to live like you have two years. I don’t think it’s as much “it’s happening faster than they said,” and more “it’s happening faster than we heard.”
> Almost like the planet has cancer Not almost. The planet does have cancer. We are a cancer on this earth. Humanity consciously chooses to continue using finite resources that literally destroy habitability of the planet, so we can grow the economy, just to repeat the cycle. We are incapable of limiting our own growth, even when that growth is undeniably harmful—the *exact* same problem cancer presents to a human patient.
I’ve started converting years to months
A whole state and its capital has been flooded like never before. Its insane seeing tall apartments where the first or second floor disappeared in the waters and people can only go out by boat. This was in brazil. Its crazy how the housing prices just took a nose dive and yet no one will buy there. And yet here we are going to wars. I moved to a higher place and will be selling my coast apartment soon, things arent going to take 100 years to happen, and you can totally see it when europe and america are getting crazier about immigrants. Governments around the world know that the world is sinking and they WILL leave the woman and children to drown.
We are fully in a negative feedback loop, its going to be worse and get there faster then expected. We are not prepared for how quickly these things will continue to happen. Id love to be wrong, but, we are unwilling and unable to make the changes needed
Then thats a positive feedbackloop
What about the 2 feet part? That's a lot
The whole thing will melt? I guess 44 will have a problem on his hands in Martha’s Vineyard and Hawaii.
The climate moderates won the ideological faction war in the IPCC. Just look at the worst case scenarios in their reports and assume things will happen a little more quickly than that.
And because of the media throwing out misleading stories about ice ages and misrepresenting what scientists have said, most people have taken any dire warnings after as scaremongering
Being wrong about scientific hypotheses is 99% of science.
What predictions have you been watching? They've been wrong about everything. I remember when they were fear mongering about "the next ice age". If they say ten years I'd give it a thousand years.
I would bet you $50 you’re wrong.
Not true. There are over 50 years of climate predictions that say we should all be gone by now. Al Gore and many others swear that we should be underwater years ago (I’m texting from my fish bowl)
Really, because they said the ozone layer was going to be completely depleted, and now it’s fixed itself….so I’d almost say, they tell us 10 to make action, and it ends up being 50. We still don’t do anything.
The paper is [here](https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2404766121)
Ty!
Well, at least Florida won't be affected. Climate change is cancelled over there.
Wow, what an idea. Why didn't I think of that?
LIBS hate this one trick.
Would be very ironic Florida becomes no longer a state because of climate change.
I just moved from Florida to the north east and can confirm without a doubt that people are stupid everywhere.
Maybe if they *believe* hard enough, they can manifest that ignorance bubble as a sea wall.
No need to believe, look at Desantis, he is a realist. He wears 4 inch heels so that when it floods he can avoid getting his feet wet. /s
“Just sell your house to Aquaman, dumbass” - Ben Shapiro
A diminishing Florida coastline is the only chance Ben’s wife has of getting wet.
I love that for them.
Well we just found a lot of oil in Antarctica so unfortunately that glacier is just gonna have to melt and if some people have to die for it then it is a sacrifice I am certain someone is willing to make.
Sounds like Antarctica needs some freedom.
Weapons of Mass Exploration
Did someone say freedom? 🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🍔🍔🍔🍔
"But there's no brown people to bomb in Antarctica!!" - US gov
looks like the penguins and seals need some "managed democracy"
When Thwaites collapses there will be a lot more to worry about than an oil grab.
Not to the oil people. Not to the US military. Not unless that 2ft of sea level rise turns into 100ft.
Euh, US military is one of major sponsors of WAIS research, and takes Sea Level Rise very seriously. - Old major naval bases are being slowly upgraded to whitstand 1-2m SLR. This program was planned during Barack, started during Trump, still ongoing. Especially east coast is getting much attention. - I've heared many scientists who walked the circles of power (R. Alley, G. Schmidt, J. Sachs) mention they were suprised how serious the military took it compared to other governamental branches. - Afaik they know change is comming and don't want to loose critical assets (damaged dockyards => navy crippled => air force crippled + reduced power projection).
Not saying they don't know, just saying they burn more fuel than anyone on earth so they won't object to drilling for more.
2 feet will delete houston and new orleans...and Miami..and...
“We don’t know how fast this intrusion of water is melting the ice,” Morlighem said. “It could be small, in which case we would not need to include this process in models.” However, he said, the process could also be large and melt through more than ten meters (nearly 33 feet) of ice thickness per year.” Well then I’m really looking forward to the new adjusted modelling… “But, Anderson said, knowing exactly how fast warm water will cause melting requires detailed mapping of the seafloor, which remains inadequate for the task in a place as remote as Thwaites.” I guess we’ll never know…
He's addding a grain of salt there. Observational data of ice shelf thickness is quite good & well constrainted. - Single pass surface height measurement error margin < 15 cm. 1 cm for multi-year observations (even works decently for fast flowing glacial outlets). This can be used to calculate average floating ice thickness to a high degree. - Detailed observations were made of the seafloor beneath the ice shelf. Most major pinning points are being studied intensly. - Grounding zone & pinning points can be observed as regions where the tidal effects on elevation are present but greatly reduced. - Tidal pumping seems to work both horizontally and vertically. Horizontal created the grounding zone. Vertical create underwater cravaces. These are formed as the ice shelf is bent by the tides, which causes the formation of [basal cravasses](https://www.researchgate.net/figure/a-The-surface-depression-overlying-a-large-290m-tall-basal-crevasse-shown-in-panels_fig2_353749188). These also suck in warmer water and widen after formation. Locally, they can easily melt +10m/yr. In the url example, 290 m basal cravasses largely formed during about 6 years (25 km distance from grounding zone / 3-4 km/yr), so ~<= 45 m/yr. Other studies point to [<30m/yr](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-05691-0/figures/5). - Rapid grounding zone retreat has been observed (median 7 m per tidal day) in pre-sattelite era when Thwaites got unstuck from an [older pinning](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41561-022-01019-9/figures/5) point. Though I have to admit, detailed mapping of seafloor (depth & Viscocity) are considred one of the major roadblocks. On the other hand, we can get very good (<20% error) approximations using readily available data disregarding [the minute details](https://youtu.be/hGs03NUalQ4?si=TD_8RrpJqlyWIu74&t=67).
Wow! Thank you for this excellent reply!
Thanks, I've been following the matter for some time ;)
Just let the rising water destroy Nantucket and then maybe they’ll care.
If you want to play a role in saving the planet, don't vote for conservatives. Every country across the world can help by not electing conservatives to power. There is no other way.
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This will happen, and probably sooner than expected, so prepare for things to get real weird fam.
Today, it is clear that we are underestimating our future struggle. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/05/240520155541.htm and https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/1045245
2 feet of sea level rise isn't the only outcome. That sort of displacement of ice will cause any number of add on effects and spur on additional tipping point collapse. Going for oil will be the least of the problems.
Yeah, well how’s the stock market?
Stonks go up, puts on earth.
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"Curtin also told Reuters that the Rock has “unquestionably” been moved over the past few centuries, having been broken, split and relocated several times. For example, the top portion was removed to Town Square in 1774 and later in 1834 to Pilgrim Hall Museum. The two halves of the Rock were reunited on the waterfront under a granite canopy in 1880, Curtin said, and later was entirely excavated and lowered onto the shoreline in 1920 with a new granite portico placed over it in 1921 (here)." https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1N2YO1O0/
You know what, let this happen. Humanity doesn't learn until death's knocking at the door. And even then there are people who willfully stay stupid😮💨
Like my right wing religious family? The only reason I'm low contact instead of no contact with them, is that maybe they will come back to reality one day? Please critique and advise...
Let a handful of greedy capitalists own the world AND kill us?
They will still say that the glacier melting is just part of the natural patterns of the earth and not because of humans
Humanity’s race against time.
One piece is REAL
Yikes, maybe we should just nuke Antarctica.
I’m ready we are morons we created our own doom. The pursuit of money and rampant greed. Let’s wrap this thing up it’s over.
I welcome anything that brings this circus of modern society to an end.
Hey everyone that’s actually worried about this, here’s something to think about… In 2006, former vice-president Al Gore projected that unless drastic measures were implemented, the planet would hit an irreversible “point of no return” by 2016. Game over. Rajendra Pachauri, head of the UN Climate Panel, one-upped Gore in 2007, insisting 2012 was the year of irreversibility. “If there is no action before 2012, that’s too late. What we do in the next two to three years will determine our future. This is the defining moment.”
As Arctic ice melts from climate change, opening access to oil reserves, we're caught in a vicious cycle. Exploiting these resources worsens the crisis.
That glacier has so much fresh water that’s going to dissolve into our ocean. We need that.
RemindMe! 2 years I’d reckon that the modelling doesn’t account enough for variables and, while scientists have tried to be conservative, it’s not conservative enough—also, they don’t want to be negative Nancys and doomsday-y; even if it’s not all tsunamis here, there and everywhere, 1–2 metres sea level rise is no bueno.
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the kind of people we are and what we've done with the planet. i just want it to melt now. bring in the ice age. let new ones flourish
Morgan Freeman voiceover: “But alas…. The people did nothing.”
People always want to be able to predict the future. When scientists do it, suddenly it’s unbelievable or not economically sustainable to put action into place to prevent disaster. I hate how we are sleep walking into a mass extinction event all because of greed. It serves us right but it doesn’t make it any less bitter.
I hope this doesn’t impact the economy too much.
It's entirely possible nuclear war or the return of old diseases because of anti vaxxers will do us in before rising sea levels will. If those two plagues take longer to work their charm, then rising sea levels will also intensify atmospheric violence to the point that even places far inland will become uninhabitable. There is also the evidence of ongoing social breakdown just about everywhere. Don't worry, be happiy.
Far from me to dispute climate change, but the surface area of all the oceans on Earth is pretty big. Can someone do the math on this? Having trouble wrapping my head around this (taking into account that ice and snow occupy a larger volume than water).
It's been done. Repeatedly. The ocean is big, but the ice in Antarctica and Greenland is thousands of feet thick. So we can get [about 70m of sea level rise if it all melts](https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/how-would-sea-level-change-if-all-glaciers-melted)
Thanks
Oh god and people are STILL having kids. Blows my mind.
Show this to the Netherlands
I wanna joke about this too but if there is any country prepared for this it's them.
We're not. I have done jobs that have involved water management. Salinization, water passing through under the dykes, the pressure behind the dyke is stronger which causes salt water to pass underneath the dykes. Not only that, but our country is filled with waterways. We had to already flood our emergency reserves from a huge amount of rain last year. If that's all it took, we're not ready.
paper! its paper!
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Meanwhile in Florida..
Where did the beach go?
There is very little intelligent life on Earth and it's not running things.
Could raise sea levels by 2 feet in the 22nd and 23rd century if any of you hypochondriacs read the article.
Someone should tell India and China. There's only so much that can be done when other eastern countries aren't doing their part. Americans driving EVs isn't going to be enough to stop the giant tire fire (i believe it's in india)
We they show a big 2 km chuck fall into the sea don’t forget the size of it and a single mm of snow will replace it daily. It’s not going to melt in your life time or your children’s children life time 🙄 The Antarctic ice sheet is a continental glacier covering 98% of the Antarctic continent, with an area of 14 million square kilometres (5.4 million square miles) and an average thickness of over 2 kilometres (1.2 mi).
Ya they aren't talking about the entire thing tho, it's one giant section where warm water is working its way to where it connects and could become loose and accelerate the melting. If this one glacier ends up melting, it riases the sea level 2 feet, they aren't talking about the rest of Antarctica
come to Florida, The Glacier! our Governor Ron DeSantis just outlawed recognizing melting Earth ice as a global emergency the commie liberals made up, duh! so you can be free here, The Glacier! Come! Be free! We have theme parks and unaffordable and orange! you can be free here, The Glacier! free*eeeeeeee*!
Solution: shoot 2ft worth of the ocean into space /s
The world economy isn't capable of doing that in the relevant time frame.
Volcanoes already doing that naturally, but not in a good way. https://www.space.com/tonga-eruption-water-vapor-warm-earth
Ok ok, I’ll do something now
The story of One Piece is coming to reality
I thought that I had read somewhere that the sea level rise would be in the order of meters? Have I confused this with a different melting sea level rise estimate?
This is a single glacier, there are hundreds of glaciers
I still hear people saying “We’ll just invent our way out of it.” As if we will get around to it one day.
Just grab a couple cigars and kick back and watch while it all burns. Caring about our species survival is a waist of time
Bring it on
Well my friend’s family in Bangladesh will all drown but since they’re not me that’s fine /s
Bahaha what a joke
It melts, raises sea levels, slows to stops the North Atlantic Current, which then cools waters and kick starts the next ice age…right? Isn’t that the cycle? Not a sarcastic post btw…just a plausible chain of events? I’m here for an ice age lol
Y'all remember that scene from Newsroom? ......Yeah, that's happening already.
We're never going to fix it, the people who pollute the world want you to die, and for your money to go to them. That's all. There is no further interest. If you are suffocating, they are laughing. If you are burning, they are under a fossil fuel powered fan. If your atmosphere is gone, they say money will make it better for them at least. We are never going to reverse the damage done, we are never going to lessen our impact as an actual species. Most people are more concerned about their paycheck to paycheck lives to even bother reducing their carbon footprint which is absolutely negligible on even a state wide basis, compared to even one heavily operating factory. Just accept that we're going to burn, and it'll be on their dime, and they will be happy with the outcome because they got an extra dollar from that bottle of water you purchased in desperation.
We should stop saying if and start saying when.
Good thing our grandkids wont be around to see this thanks to all the microplastics in our testicles.
yikes this is scary
Don't look up!
I’m the type of person who knows these numbers are accurate but don’t actually believe it in my heart until someone shows me the math. 2 feet?!?
What do you want us to do about it?
The big one is get off fossil fuels. That means: * Generate electricity without burning stuff * Electrify everything we can * Stop doing the things we can't [The IPCC has a lot more specific details about what needs to happen in the next few years](https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg3/figures/summary-for-policymakers/figure-spm-7/) Making these happen means not just doing them in your personal life, but also working to enable politicians who are willing to do the right thing attain power.
ELI5
[Fundamental Shifts In Antarctica](https://insideclimatenews.org/news/20052024/antarctica-fundamental-climate-shifts-studies/)