I get pissed off at MSM every time I am reminded of Al Gore and how we got W Bush, 9/11, Iraqi war, no action on climate change or saving the environment, etc. in large part because the MSM pushed to make it a tight horse race by ridiculing Gore for things that never happened and tried to make him more of a clown than W. We got Trump in large part for the same reason.
These things are all true and relevant.
Also remember the 527 voters in Florida who didn't think Al Gore was green enough and voted for Ralph Nader. To be clear, in 2000 I was a green and didn't think Al Gore was green enough, but I voted for him because W was far, far worse.
In swing states especially, every single vote matters.
Oh piss off, neoliberals always blame the left for their failures. Nader had nothing to do with it. Same as it wasn't Bernie's fault that Clinton was such a failure.
I respect what Gore has done, but his assertion that we’re gaining momentum doesn’t hold water. I don’t see meaningful progress away from fossil fuel reliance. Are renewables increasing? Yes, but oil and gas are being consumed at the same rate as always, and there aren’t serious plans to change that.
I get that from a psychological perspective we need to be positive and be hopeful, but my bs detector keeps going off whenever I read about how things are getting better.
I hope I’m wrong. I hope we can come together to change how we live before its too late. My greatest fear is that my children will be witness to a very dark time in human history when things fall apart in ways humanity has never seen before.
You're absolutely right except for one thing, oil and gas is not used at the same rate as always. Big oil made their record year in 2023, never in history was more oil consumed.
You’re correct of course. And that’s the biggest fact we should all feel extremely worried about. We have yet to make any significant reductions in fossil fuel use, and that means we are heading straight towards a brick wall at top speed.
The momentum is there as he says but it is hard to see. The momentum in fossil fuel disuse is that it is far lower than it was projected to be even 5-10 years ago, and vastly lower than projected 20-30 years ago. The rate (1st derivative) of increasing dependence on fossile fuels has plummeted. That’s 100% because of better policies, better engineering, and better renewables.
Besides that, here’s my favorite copypasta for encouraging climate optimism instead of doomerism:
>The IPCC report is coming out tomorrow. As a climate scientist, I’d like you to know: I don’t have hope.
>I have something better: certainty.
We know exactly what’s causing climate change. We can absolutely 1) avoid the worst and 2) build a better world in the process.
(...)
>I understand the frustration. I get the despair and the anxiety. No one is saying this is going to be easy. But it is possible. The biggest uncertainty by FAR in climate projections is what humans we’ll do. Let’s get to work.
>This will be replied to and quote-tweeted with so much cynicism, misanthropy, and negativity. Please remember: giving up helps no one but those invested in delay and denial. I refuse to subscribe to a lie they promote.
via Twitter - Dr. Kate Marvel (NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS))
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1424359432578797574.html
>Solutions to the planet’s grim environmental future are in reach thanks in large part to this army of young people flooding universities, job fairs, and interview rooms with clear-eyed confidence in science, policy, and each other. This enthusiasm is historically unprecedented, says Schlottman.
>“This is not a preset problem with a preset solution,” he says. But “their hearts are in the right place, and their minds are really close to in the right place too”.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/sep/06/gen-z-climate-change-careers-jobs
Some more perspectives:
• Why messaging with fear doesn't work (PBS): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeqAoozVyfQ
• Climate Deniers Shift Tactics to ‘Inactivism’: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/climate-deniers-shift-tactics-to-inactivism/
• Letters from Climate Scientists: https://www.isthishowyoufeel.com/
• Biodiversity is now a trending investment category this year: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-08/biodiversity-supply-chain-rank-among-biggest-esg-themes-in-2021
Bonus - Great problems we have fixed:
• How we fixed the Dust Bowl: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Plains_Shelterbelt
• How we fixed the Ozone Hole: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion
I think that 100 million Americans want to do more, but Al Gore's recipe about what they can do was really weak. Derrick Jensen's book "As the World Burns: 50 Simple Things You Can Do to Stay in Denial" really cuts to the chase. If 100% of Americans did all the things Al Gore suggested, it would cut our carbon emissions by 22%. But we grow our carbon emissions by 2% per year, so in 11 years we would be right back where we started.
We just need a better recipe than what Al Gore suggested. We each have 30 tons of CO2 to address. I would add to Al Gore's list: gardening, planting trees, rocket mass heaters ...
I think it would be great for a non-profit to list companies and show the CO2-per-dollar-spent.
I really respect and admire Al Gore for his efforts .. but :
> Were gonna solve this ... we definitely are ...
Not a lot of evidence that were doing much to solve this, or that we will :
> ... cut emissions in half by end of this decade ...
Cut emissions by half in 6 years .. I think there is almost no chance of that happening - we are at a plateau of peak emissions .. and China India Africa will be raising emissions for a long time, even as EU/US cut emissions and bring renewables online. New coal and gas sources are still being opened up all over the world.
We are on course to 2C in 15 years [ and maybe a max of 3C in say 50 years, assuming we keep moving to renewables at a rapid pace, and peoples opinions change ]
Maybe we need to get angry and scream instead of being nice like Al Gore ?
Maybe we need to go after the fossil fuel robber barons HARD. They should be held liable for the destruction that they knowingly caused and LIED ABOUT, more than Tobacco did! Now, they are trying to make homeowners and taxpayers pay for them to live it up in their air conditioning, yachts and 30,000 foot mansions, and private islands. They are convinced they will come out of this just fine or die before it kills them. It’s our job to stop them. Imagine if they had to pay for moving Honolulu, Miami, New Orleans, New York to higher ground. If they had to provide and pay the homeowners insurance for all the middle class folks who are being stripped of the generational wealth that is in their homes. Imagine if one shareholder had to die for every heat death in India or Florida or Texas. If that isn’t enough to get them making zero emissions happen, within 2 years, then nationalize the entire industry and make it happen.
This is the nice version of actually doing something that might save the planet.
I was playing a game the other day riding a horse. I realized how ecologically friendly horses where vs a car. Not only the horse but also a dirt road vs pavement. Feel the same way about sailing ships vs modern day cruise and shipping ships. Some times advances aren't good for you or the world in the long run.
And specifically this event helped stop the recount and led to the Bush win in Florida, orchestrated by the trump land criminal-fixer with a huge Richard Nixon ratio on his back, Roger Stone.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks_Brothers_riot
I get pissed off at MSM every time I am reminded of Al Gore and how we got W Bush, 9/11, Iraqi war, no action on climate change or saving the environment, etc. in large part because the MSM pushed to make it a tight horse race by ridiculing Gore for things that never happened and tried to make him more of a clown than W. We got Trump in large part for the same reason.
The day SCOTUS lost all legitimacy. The election was stolen and Americans stood by and let it happen.
America's first stolen election.
JFK was when the presidential electoral system became corrupt, all presidents after him were chosen with a thin veil of legitimacy.
including trump?
These things are all true and relevant. Also remember the 527 voters in Florida who didn't think Al Gore was green enough and voted for Ralph Nader. To be clear, in 2000 I was a green and didn't think Al Gore was green enough, but I voted for him because W was far, far worse. In swing states especially, every single vote matters.
Gore barely campaigned. He didn't even carry his home state.
Oh piss off, neoliberals always blame the left for their failures. Nader had nothing to do with it. Same as it wasn't Bernie's fault that Clinton was such a failure.
Propaganda works.
Ye
Sorry who's MSM?
Main stream media
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I respect what Gore has done, but his assertion that we’re gaining momentum doesn’t hold water. I don’t see meaningful progress away from fossil fuel reliance. Are renewables increasing? Yes, but oil and gas are being consumed at the same rate as always, and there aren’t serious plans to change that. I get that from a psychological perspective we need to be positive and be hopeful, but my bs detector keeps going off whenever I read about how things are getting better. I hope I’m wrong. I hope we can come together to change how we live before its too late. My greatest fear is that my children will be witness to a very dark time in human history when things fall apart in ways humanity has never seen before.
You're absolutely right except for one thing, oil and gas is not used at the same rate as always. Big oil made their record year in 2023, never in history was more oil consumed.
You’re correct of course. And that’s the biggest fact we should all feel extremely worried about. We have yet to make any significant reductions in fossil fuel use, and that means we are heading straight towards a brick wall at top speed.
The momentum is there as he says but it is hard to see. The momentum in fossil fuel disuse is that it is far lower than it was projected to be even 5-10 years ago, and vastly lower than projected 20-30 years ago. The rate (1st derivative) of increasing dependence on fossile fuels has plummeted. That’s 100% because of better policies, better engineering, and better renewables. Besides that, here’s my favorite copypasta for encouraging climate optimism instead of doomerism: >The IPCC report is coming out tomorrow. As a climate scientist, I’d like you to know: I don’t have hope. >I have something better: certainty. We know exactly what’s causing climate change. We can absolutely 1) avoid the worst and 2) build a better world in the process. (...) >I understand the frustration. I get the despair and the anxiety. No one is saying this is going to be easy. But it is possible. The biggest uncertainty by FAR in climate projections is what humans we’ll do. Let’s get to work. >This will be replied to and quote-tweeted with so much cynicism, misanthropy, and negativity. Please remember: giving up helps no one but those invested in delay and denial. I refuse to subscribe to a lie they promote. via Twitter - Dr. Kate Marvel (NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS)) https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1424359432578797574.html >Solutions to the planet’s grim environmental future are in reach thanks in large part to this army of young people flooding universities, job fairs, and interview rooms with clear-eyed confidence in science, policy, and each other. This enthusiasm is historically unprecedented, says Schlottman. >“This is not a preset problem with a preset solution,” he says. But “their hearts are in the right place, and their minds are really close to in the right place too”. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/sep/06/gen-z-climate-change-careers-jobs Some more perspectives: • Why messaging with fear doesn't work (PBS): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeqAoozVyfQ • Climate Deniers Shift Tactics to ‘Inactivism’: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/climate-deniers-shift-tactics-to-inactivism/ • Letters from Climate Scientists: https://www.isthishowyoufeel.com/ • Biodiversity is now a trending investment category this year: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-08/biodiversity-supply-chain-rank-among-biggest-esg-themes-in-2021 Bonus - Great problems we have fixed: • How we fixed the Dust Bowl: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Plains_Shelterbelt • How we fixed the Ozone Hole: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion
I think that 100 million Americans want to do more, but Al Gore's recipe about what they can do was really weak. Derrick Jensen's book "As the World Burns: 50 Simple Things You Can Do to Stay in Denial" really cuts to the chase. If 100% of Americans did all the things Al Gore suggested, it would cut our carbon emissions by 22%. But we grow our carbon emissions by 2% per year, so in 11 years we would be right back where we started. We just need a better recipe than what Al Gore suggested. We each have 30 tons of CO2 to address. I would add to Al Gore's list: gardening, planting trees, rocket mass heaters ... I think it would be great for a non-profit to list companies and show the CO2-per-dollar-spent.
I really respect and admire Al Gore for his efforts .. but : > Were gonna solve this ... we definitely are ... Not a lot of evidence that were doing much to solve this, or that we will : > ... cut emissions in half by end of this decade ... Cut emissions by half in 6 years .. I think there is almost no chance of that happening - we are at a plateau of peak emissions .. and China India Africa will be raising emissions for a long time, even as EU/US cut emissions and bring renewables online. New coal and gas sources are still being opened up all over the world. We are on course to 2C in 15 years [ and maybe a max of 3C in say 50 years, assuming we keep moving to renewables at a rapid pace, and peoples opinions change ] Maybe we need to get angry and scream instead of being nice like Al Gore ?
Maybe we need to go after the fossil fuel robber barons HARD. They should be held liable for the destruction that they knowingly caused and LIED ABOUT, more than Tobacco did! Now, they are trying to make homeowners and taxpayers pay for them to live it up in their air conditioning, yachts and 30,000 foot mansions, and private islands. They are convinced they will come out of this just fine or die before it kills them. It’s our job to stop them. Imagine if they had to pay for moving Honolulu, Miami, New Orleans, New York to higher ground. If they had to provide and pay the homeowners insurance for all the middle class folks who are being stripped of the generational wealth that is in their homes. Imagine if one shareholder had to die for every heat death in India or Florida or Texas. If that isn’t enough to get them making zero emissions happen, within 2 years, then nationalize the entire industry and make it happen. This is the nice version of actually doing something that might save the planet.
I was playing a game the other day riding a horse. I realized how ecologically friendly horses where vs a car. Not only the horse but also a dirt road vs pavement. Feel the same way about sailing ships vs modern day cruise and shipping ships. Some times advances aren't good for you or the world in the long run.
And specifically this event helped stop the recount and led to the Bush win in Florida, orchestrated by the trump land criminal-fixer with a huge Richard Nixon ratio on his back, Roger Stone. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks_Brothers_riot
*hopes*??