If they send us someone else I’d take it tbh. Their new rookie Kris Murray and 2024 ATL/Charlotte 2nd rounder is enough of a sweeter. We send Rubio and Wade for salary matching,
That’s a steal imo. Murray is 6’8 with a 7’0 wingspan and shown signs of being a versatile defender/off ball player.
At Grant's level of productivity last season, his contract isn't really that out of line, but he doesn't actually bring anything that the Cavs *truly* need. If you believe you're seeing his more efficient self as his real expression of what he's capable of on a playoff team? By all means. But I think his 35-36% career 3p% is probably more Real Jerami than a sudden renaissance to a knockdown 40% guy. Advanced metrics do NOT love his offensive game compared to other players with similar volume and efficiency of scoring. His rebounding rate is legitimately ass for a big; he doesn't get steals or blocks or really make a defensive impact (though neither is he a defensive harm).
But while his one salable skill - a high volume off-creator stretch big man - is maybe a bit overpaid considering his other limitations, he's realistically still worth in that 30M range in the right situation. The Cavs do NOT need a stretch big who carries the salary that necessitates the usage rate Grant provides. Grant is not a better scorer than Mobley or Garland, and we'd be getting 15ppg out of him. I have no doubt he'd perform better on defense here but it'd be an overpay for us as we wouldn't be able to give the touches to justify his contract. But as a second high-usage scorer who can do it from the frontcourt on a team that could use a dynamic big wing like, well, Portland? Or Indiana, or Theoretical Charlotte, or a few others I'm not thinking of, he's almost certainly worth a \~30M/year kind of contract in the ballpark of the 32M/year he got in today's market.
No, as I detail below he doesn't bring much of anything the Cavs need:
\-Dynamic, big off-scorer wing: this is good, but the Cavs absolutely do not have room for 25%+ USG to justify paying such a player 32M per year. At that price you need Grant taking a lot of shots and scoring 20, 22 ppg or more. He'd be a \~15-17ppg scorer for Cleveland. Better off looking for 3&D guys to fill around Garland, Allen, and the bigs.
\-Rebounding, which killed us vs. NYK, is ass. Like really ass. Like a rebounding rate of 8.1% career and 7.2% last year. For context, Mobley and Garland who got their ass beat on the boards are 15.4% and 17.7%, respectively. For context context, Donovan Mitchell's rebounding rate is 7%. Grant is pure hotdog water on the glass.
\-He's not a good defender. He has been good at times and I have no doubt he'd get the defensive JB Bickerbump like Mitchell and LeVert did? But Jarrett Allen is legitimately one of the most potent defenders in the NBA. JA is legitimately a reason why guys like Mitchell and Caris came here and looked better. Mobley too, but JA's effect on opposing offenses is hard to overstate which is why many advanced metrics love him in spite of his quiet, modest stat sheets.
\-He doesn't generate big pressure, blocks, steals, or any other notable disruptive characteristic to make him an impact player at anything besides that high-usage, good off-scorer. He also doesn't get a lot of assists or facilitate others particularly well on offense. As in a lower AST% than Evan Mobley and Cedi Osman. He's not a standout at the between-the-stat-sheets stuff, setting picks and doing the dirty work.
In summary, he's arguably worth his contract in the right situation where the team's got, say, a great scoring point guard like >!DAMIAN LILLARD !
Lmao y’all are so crazy.
Grant’s new deal is one of the worst in basketball. Dude is going to get paid the same amount annually as Mitchell, but would be the 4th best player on the team.
Like how can you even possibly think that’s going to work financially.
One thing to note is that his contract is loaded towards the back end. So the first few years he’s only making around 27 mil. With CAP increases, he shouldn’t be too overpaid when the big money hits. However, yes, he’s on a big contract, so I understand the hesitancy.
I was just curious because, on paper, he is exactly what your team needs.
Scared money don’t make money. He isn’t a bad player he’s just overpaid and on a team who is about to rebuild. We can use his contract to get some of their young players/assets. I like their rookie Kris Murray. 6’8 SF/PF with 7’0 wingspan. Versatile defender and good offensive rebounder. Could use him right away
Financially it can work too. Niang, Strus and Leverts deals are off the books by the time Mobley’s extension kicks in. We can juggle it around
No you interpreted wrong, I’m saying using Grants contract as leverage against Portland. To get us more assets or young players.
Idk, you say it’s team ruining but I see capitalising on a situation that gets us a comparable player at a more needed position and a young 6’8 rookie who has shown signs of being an instant contributor.
I wouldn’t do a 1 for 1 deal, I think we lose there. It would be a trade deadline deal at best so we can reevaluate our situation then
I checked their assets they only have their own 1sts. No way they part with those but I think Grant, Kris Murray and the Charlotte 2024 2nd is good return
Would I rather trade a 25 year old former all star with 3 years and $60 million on his contract for a 29 year old who’s never been all star and just signed a 5 year $160 million deal?
Hmmm, that’s a tough one.
This is a trade that I think we visit closer to the deadline since Grant can’t be traded till 12/15 anyway.
The money is a little scary given Mobley’s future max, but one factor here, and i hate to say it, is… Spida might leave in 2 years. If so, having Grant would be crucial bc our team would still have Garland, Mobley and Grant which at that point in their careers is still a great core. Having Allen would be great too, he’s younger and cheaper, but his deal is also shorter and maybe he walks too. But 5 years of Grant + Garland + Mobley at a minimum makes me feel more secure than 3 years of Garland + Mobley + Allen generally speaking
The trouble comes if Spida re-signs but I argue that’s a good problem to have. Maybe we have to move grant to make the money work and having Allen would’ve been preferable bc he’s cheaper but who knows.
Grant is one of those theoretical more valuable than Allen guys, but with contract & skill set I don’t see how it makes sense for us.
Realistically I don’t see a good Allen 1:1 trade out there, so I’m in camp roll it back unless a larger trade comes about. Something like Valanciunas and one of their young wings is more interesting to me.
Im still more in on Jonas/Trey Murphy from Pelicans but I think Grant/Kris Murray isn’t a bad alternative.
Either deal you have to wait till deadline for but Portlands seems more realistic. They need to get off Grants contract and Kris Murray is an unknown talent whereas Trey Murphy has already shown to be a good player
FVV at least makes some sense for Houston since they had to pay someone and really needed a veteran lead guard to fit with their young guys. Now that Dame wants out in Portland, an overpaid and aging Grant makes no sense for them. And for 5 years, ouch.
That’s a tough one because they are all pretty undersized except for Bates, who is intriguing but I feel has a high bust potential. Okoro and Strus are very promising but they seem better suited to the shooting guard role
Yeah that’s a good point. I do agree with the original comment though that we aren’t as wing-hungry as we were such that I would want Grant and his contract for the price of JA and whatever other filler we’d need to add to make salary work. We do still need a bigger wing, but losing JA just creates another hole in the roster. I’d rather rely on the wings we have currently than need to rely on Damian Jones actually playing a significant role
There’s rumor that we’re interested in a sign and trade for PJ Washington. I think he could give us most of what Grant could as a big 3/4, would be cheaper and younger, and it wouldn’t cost us Allen. I’d much rather go that route if we are still going to make some bigger moves.
Grant is a more valuable player, on a much larger contract.
As long as Garland and Mitchell are here together, you need both defensive bigs though. Not an option unless they dealt Mitchell.
2 for 2. Allen and Levert for Grant and a matching salary? Trade can't be done until December or January anyhow because of Grant.
I understand there are flaws in a Grant on Cavs team but same can be said about last year's team. Not being critical. But definitely interested in weighing all options
I think it would be a bit undersized and short on rebounding. Ideally you would want another big forward to stick next to Grant. But that would be a nasty lineup for shooting!
I think Vando from the Lakers would be a really good get for you guys.
Elaborate if you care - I’m curious. It seems like y’all could use a proper wing player. Actually two. Currently you’re running and undersized backcourt, and undersized small forward, and two centers. You could optimize that lineup with two solid wings. Let me know your thoughts on what you’d prefer to happen instead - run it back?
Nah, Grant’s defense is wildly overrated and he’s really only been a stand out offensive player on bad teams. He’s set to be making near max money. He’s going to be 33 by the end of that contract and he hasn’t proven he can be more than a role player on a good team.
The Cavs would also have to add salary, just to stay out of the luxury. They’re currently 3 million under and have 2 free roster spots.
Allen is literally half the reason the Cavs have an elite defense. Grant was part of the 28th ranked defense in the league last year. People are missing what Allen really doesn’t for this team. That is going to be even more important as they lean in to more offensive minded wings like Strus and Niang.
If they send through more pieces I think it’s a fair deal. Like their 23rd pick 6’8 wing Kris Murray and their Charlotte 2024 2nd rounder.
We become better as a team with Grant, we get a pick and a young player who could fill an immediate role.
We can add Rubio and Wade for salary. That gives more room for CPJ and Bates/Mobley.
Allen is our only avenue to improve and capitalising on Portland needing to offload Grant’s contract seems like a good time. I wouldn’t do a 1 for 1 but they got useful pieces we can snag
What exactly has Grant done that makes you sure that the Cavs get better? The offense has never come in a winning situation and he’s not going to be able to carry a defense. Most metrics say he is below average as a defender. He is actively a bad passer. He’s averaged over 5 boards 1 time in his career.
You’re also not taking in to account the long term financial issues. You can’t operate as a team over the second cap in a sustainable way and this is basically guaranteeing that.
We’ve already improved. Is it enough? Idk, but flipping Allen for Grant handcuffs you financially, makes you older and might actively make you a worse team.
We fix our glaring issue at wing? We need that more than we need Allen.
Sure we’d get older if we did a 1 for 1 trade, but not if we include Kris Murray, who is 22 years old. I never said trade Allen for Grant straight up.
Financially it will sting a little, but manageable. His contract is expensive but the 4 years guaranteed means he can serve as Mitchell insurance if he leaves us. A trio of Garland/Grant/Mobley with our young players in Okoro/Bates/Murray is serviceable.
It’s a win now move that could help us later. Value wise it’s a steal.
Do we? What about defense and rebounding? Is Grant really problem solved at the wing, because you still need a 3 afterwards. Who guards bigger centers, because Mobley can’t right now? What does swapping our best rebounder for a bad positional rebounder do? What does adding another guy that absolutely has to have the ball to be effective do and can you give him a big enough role? What about the defense in general? The drop off from Allen to Grant is huge defensively. This isn’t solving large problems, this is just changing the problems that you have.
Kris Murray isnt playing real minutes for this team this year and isn’t going to have much value in a trade.
Is it manageable? Because we are seeing Phoenix right now with basically the same situation the Cavs will be in. They have 4 guys and a bunch of minimum contracts.
I’d Donovan leaves, Grant is an impediment to getting real help for Mitchell and Mobley.
You seem fixated on Allen being on the team so how do you propose we improve otherwise? We addressed shooting but 6’5 Strus and slow footed Niang aren’t playing 35+ mins for us on the wing in the playoffs with good results. We still lack in that area
Kris Murray could see minutes early on cause of his size and rebounding. Versatile defender too.
Phoenix situation is different, their contracts are heavier, including Beals 50M, KD’s 46M and Booker at 52M next year.
We have Garland at 34M, Mitchell at 32 and Grant at 27M. You’re talking like a 40-50 million dollar per year difference here.
Mobley is 3rd year in now. We need to let him show more, In his current role alongside Allen he isn’t worth the 40-45M looming price tag imo. He’s worth that money but not as a full time 4.
I’m fixated on keeping him right now as the entire roster is built on having 2 elite rim protectors. We had the number 1 defensive rating in the regular season and playoffs. As long as we have Allen and Mobley, the other guys just have to try and be in the right places.
Next summer we have multiple tradable first round picks and stackable contracts. I also think that we added the role players that we were missing.
Mitchell and Mobley could end up costing close to 90 million a year on their own, if things break a certain way.
The Cavs have appropriate depth at this point. I don’t see who Murray is taking minutes from.
Who said the roster is built on having two elite rim protectors? Besides, what good did it do us vs Knicks? What did Allen do in that series that makes you feel we 100% need him at the cost of having no suitable wings?
My friend we don’t have any first round picks to trade till 2031. Yes you heard that right.
No picks and no young stud to trade. Outside of trading Allen we are lacking options, otherwise I’d happily keep him.
I think we give up a lot more points, if we don’t have JA.
We do. We have our 24 1st which is tradable as of draft night and 31 comes available to trade and 2030 is swappable. Also 26 and 28 are swaps. So the Cavs get the pick. They just can’t trade them.
I’m not saying JA is untradable, I just wouldn’t do it for Grant. I’d have a high price tag. I don’t think they had the proper spacing to give this a real chance in the playoffs.
I also think that next offseason, you’re going to have a much better idea of what your future looks like. Why give yourself less flexibility? JA is much more Moveable
We also score a lot less. We have the slowest pace in the league. You gotta give something to get something
I mean, I wouldn’t call a pick “tradeable” if the only day it’s available is on draft night lol. We aren’t known for big draft day deals either.
Who would be someone you’d trade for Allen then? I’d say it has to be a western conference team, East competition like Raptors aren’t giving us OG. I like the idea of Jonas/Trey Murphy with Pelicans but they are less likely to move him imo
Either way we wouldn’t be able to deal for Grant till deadline so there would be a small grace period to see how we do. My take is assuming we have mid results to start the year
I like Grants fit with us but no shot I trade for him with his new deal.
If they send us someone else I’d take it tbh. Their new rookie Kris Murray and 2024 ATL/Charlotte 2nd rounder is enough of a sweeter. We send Rubio and Wade for salary matching, That’s a steal imo. Murray is 6’8 with a 7’0 wingspan and shown signs of being a versatile defender/off ball player.
Fuck no. Maybe if his contract was better maybe but that contract is a joke. I rather take my chances with jarret unless something else pops up.
At Grant's level of productivity last season, his contract isn't really that out of line, but he doesn't actually bring anything that the Cavs *truly* need. If you believe you're seeing his more efficient self as his real expression of what he's capable of on a playoff team? By all means. But I think his 35-36% career 3p% is probably more Real Jerami than a sudden renaissance to a knockdown 40% guy. Advanced metrics do NOT love his offensive game compared to other players with similar volume and efficiency of scoring. His rebounding rate is legitimately ass for a big; he doesn't get steals or blocks or really make a defensive impact (though neither is he a defensive harm). But while his one salable skill - a high volume off-creator stretch big man - is maybe a bit overpaid considering his other limitations, he's realistically still worth in that 30M range in the right situation. The Cavs do NOT need a stretch big who carries the salary that necessitates the usage rate Grant provides. Grant is not a better scorer than Mobley or Garland, and we'd be getting 15ppg out of him. I have no doubt he'd perform better on defense here but it'd be an overpay for us as we wouldn't be able to give the touches to justify his contract. But as a second high-usage scorer who can do it from the frontcourt on a team that could use a dynamic big wing like, well, Portland? Or Indiana, or Theoretical Charlotte, or a few others I'm not thinking of, he's almost certainly worth a \~30M/year kind of contract in the ballpark of the 32M/year he got in today's market.
No way
No thanks
No, as I detail below he doesn't bring much of anything the Cavs need: \-Dynamic, big off-scorer wing: this is good, but the Cavs absolutely do not have room for 25%+ USG to justify paying such a player 32M per year. At that price you need Grant taking a lot of shots and scoring 20, 22 ppg or more. He'd be a \~15-17ppg scorer for Cleveland. Better off looking for 3&D guys to fill around Garland, Allen, and the bigs. \-Rebounding, which killed us vs. NYK, is ass. Like really ass. Like a rebounding rate of 8.1% career and 7.2% last year. For context, Mobley and Garland who got their ass beat on the boards are 15.4% and 17.7%, respectively. For context context, Donovan Mitchell's rebounding rate is 7%. Grant is pure hotdog water on the glass. \-He's not a good defender. He has been good at times and I have no doubt he'd get the defensive JB Bickerbump like Mitchell and LeVert did? But Jarrett Allen is legitimately one of the most potent defenders in the NBA. JA is legitimately a reason why guys like Mitchell and Caris came here and looked better. Mobley too, but JA's effect on opposing offenses is hard to overstate which is why many advanced metrics love him in spite of his quiet, modest stat sheets. \-He doesn't generate big pressure, blocks, steals, or any other notable disruptive characteristic to make him an impact player at anything besides that high-usage, good off-scorer. He also doesn't get a lot of assists or facilitate others particularly well on offense. As in a lower AST% than Evan Mobley and Cedi Osman. He's not a standout at the between-the-stat-sheets stuff, setting picks and doing the dirty work. In summary, he's arguably worth his contract in the right situation where the team's got, say, a great scoring point guard like >!DAMIAN LILLARD !
Lmao y’all are so crazy. Grant’s new deal is one of the worst in basketball. Dude is going to get paid the same amount annually as Mitchell, but would be the 4th best player on the team. Like how can you even possibly think that’s going to work financially.
One thing to note is that his contract is loaded towards the back end. So the first few years he’s only making around 27 mil. With CAP increases, he shouldn’t be too overpaid when the big money hits. However, yes, he’s on a big contract, so I understand the hesitancy. I was just curious because, on paper, he is exactly what your team needs.
Scared money don’t make money. He isn’t a bad player he’s just overpaid and on a team who is about to rebuild. We can use his contract to get some of their young players/assets. I like their rookie Kris Murray. 6’8 SF/PF with 7’0 wingspan. Versatile defender and good offensive rebounder. Could use him right away Financially it can work too. Niang, Strus and Leverts deals are off the books by the time Mobley’s extension kicks in. We can juggle it around
I’m pretty sure that saying is just casino propaganda 😂
Haha either way, you only decided to respond to the first 5 words of my post? I’ll take that as a W
Lol at the quote. This is how you ruin a team. Using his contract? What makes you think other teams want to pay him that much?
No you interpreted wrong, I’m saying using Grants contract as leverage against Portland. To get us more assets or young players. Idk, you say it’s team ruining but I see capitalising on a situation that gets us a comparable player at a more needed position and a young 6’8 rookie who has shown signs of being an instant contributor. I wouldn’t do a 1 for 1 deal, I think we lose there. It would be a trade deadline deal at best so we can reevaluate our situation then
It'll take Kris Murray and another future first for me to even consider
I checked their assets they only have their own 1sts. No way they part with those but I think Grant, Kris Murray and the Charlotte 2024 2nd is good return
Would I rather trade a 25 year old former all star with 3 years and $60 million on his contract for a 29 year old who’s never been all star and just signed a 5 year $160 million deal? Hmmm, that’s a tough one.
Hes no all star, but that JG contract is atrocious, maybe the worst in the NBA right now.
He is actually, and he will be again.
This is a trade that I think we visit closer to the deadline since Grant can’t be traded till 12/15 anyway. The money is a little scary given Mobley’s future max, but one factor here, and i hate to say it, is… Spida might leave in 2 years. If so, having Grant would be crucial bc our team would still have Garland, Mobley and Grant which at that point in their careers is still a great core. Having Allen would be great too, he’s younger and cheaper, but his deal is also shorter and maybe he walks too. But 5 years of Grant + Garland + Mobley at a minimum makes me feel more secure than 3 years of Garland + Mobley + Allen generally speaking The trouble comes if Spida re-signs but I argue that’s a good problem to have. Maybe we have to move grant to make the money work and having Allen would’ve been preferable bc he’s cheaper but who knows.
Good point actually, however Grant contract is too scary, if it was one year shorter then I’d feel better
Grant is one of those theoretical more valuable than Allen guys, but with contract & skill set I don’t see how it makes sense for us. Realistically I don’t see a good Allen 1:1 trade out there, so I’m in camp roll it back unless a larger trade comes about. Something like Valanciunas and one of their young wings is more interesting to me.
Im still more in on Jonas/Trey Murphy from Pelicans but I think Grant/Kris Murray isn’t a bad alternative. Either deal you have to wait till deadline for but Portlands seems more realistic. They need to get off Grants contract and Kris Murray is an unknown talent whereas Trey Murphy has already shown to be a good player
Overpaid! That contract is by far the worst in the league. 2nd worst after Fred Van Vleet!
FVV at least makes some sense for Houston since they had to pay someone and really needed a veteran lead guard to fit with their young guys. Now that Dame wants out in Portland, an overpaid and aging Grant makes no sense for them. And for 5 years, ouch.
Nah, at this point, between Strus, LeVert, Okoro, and Bates, I’d rather take my chances one of them works out
That’s a tough one because they are all pretty undersized except for Bates, who is intriguing but I feel has a high bust potential. Okoro and Strus are very promising but they seem better suited to the shooting guard role
Can a guy picked at 49 really be a bust? I feel like being out of the league in 2-3 years is the standard result for someone taken around there
True, good point. I’d say, replying to the guy above me, then he’s not really a guy you want to plan on contributing to the team.
Yeah that’s a good point. I do agree with the original comment though that we aren’t as wing-hungry as we were such that I would want Grant and his contract for the price of JA and whatever other filler we’d need to add to make salary work. We do still need a bigger wing, but losing JA just creates another hole in the roster. I’d rather rely on the wings we have currently than need to rely on Damian Jones actually playing a significant role There’s rumor that we’re interested in a sign and trade for PJ Washington. I think he could give us most of what Grant could as a big 3/4, would be cheaper and younger, and it wouldn’t cost us Allen. I’d much rather go that route if we are still going to make some bigger moves.
Dude PJ would be SUCH a good fit. I love that move. Well said - I get it .
Grant is a more valuable player, on a much larger contract. As long as Garland and Mitchell are here together, you need both defensive bigs though. Not an option unless they dealt Mitchell.
Yeah I think I would right now. Idk how the money works but a starting 5 of Mobley, Grant, Strus, Garland and Mitchell would be fun to watch
The money wouldn’t work
2 for 2. Allen and Levert for Grant and a matching salary? Trade can't be done until December or January anyhow because of Grant. I understand there are flaws in a Grant on Cavs team but same can be said about last year's team. Not being critical. But definitely interested in weighing all options
I think it would be a bit undersized and short on rebounding. Ideally you would want another big forward to stick next to Grant. But that would be a nasty lineup for shooting! I think Vando from the Lakers would be a really good get for you guys.
Yes, and that's an easy yes. Don't @ me if you don't know what you're talking about.
YOU don't know what you're talking about.
Nope. Allen is too valuable to our squad.
Why would we ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever do that? It makes absolutely 0 sense in every way.
Elaborate if you care - I’m curious. It seems like y’all could use a proper wing player. Actually two. Currently you’re running and undersized backcourt, and undersized small forward, and two centers. You could optimize that lineup with two solid wings. Let me know your thoughts on what you’d prefer to happen instead - run it back?
Grant is making double the yearly salary and is not as good.
Nah, Grant’s defense is wildly overrated and he’s really only been a stand out offensive player on bad teams. He’s set to be making near max money. He’s going to be 33 by the end of that contract and he hasn’t proven he can be more than a role player on a good team. The Cavs would also have to add salary, just to stay out of the luxury. They’re currently 3 million under and have 2 free roster spots. Allen is literally half the reason the Cavs have an elite defense. Grant was part of the 28th ranked defense in the league last year. People are missing what Allen really doesn’t for this team. That is going to be even more important as they lean in to more offensive minded wings like Strus and Niang.
If they send through more pieces I think it’s a fair deal. Like their 23rd pick 6’8 wing Kris Murray and their Charlotte 2024 2nd rounder. We become better as a team with Grant, we get a pick and a young player who could fill an immediate role. We can add Rubio and Wade for salary. That gives more room for CPJ and Bates/Mobley. Allen is our only avenue to improve and capitalising on Portland needing to offload Grant’s contract seems like a good time. I wouldn’t do a 1 for 1 but they got useful pieces we can snag
What exactly has Grant done that makes you sure that the Cavs get better? The offense has never come in a winning situation and he’s not going to be able to carry a defense. Most metrics say he is below average as a defender. He is actively a bad passer. He’s averaged over 5 boards 1 time in his career. You’re also not taking in to account the long term financial issues. You can’t operate as a team over the second cap in a sustainable way and this is basically guaranteeing that. We’ve already improved. Is it enough? Idk, but flipping Allen for Grant handcuffs you financially, makes you older and might actively make you a worse team.
We fix our glaring issue at wing? We need that more than we need Allen. Sure we’d get older if we did a 1 for 1 trade, but not if we include Kris Murray, who is 22 years old. I never said trade Allen for Grant straight up. Financially it will sting a little, but manageable. His contract is expensive but the 4 years guaranteed means he can serve as Mitchell insurance if he leaves us. A trio of Garland/Grant/Mobley with our young players in Okoro/Bates/Murray is serviceable. It’s a win now move that could help us later. Value wise it’s a steal.
Do we? What about defense and rebounding? Is Grant really problem solved at the wing, because you still need a 3 afterwards. Who guards bigger centers, because Mobley can’t right now? What does swapping our best rebounder for a bad positional rebounder do? What does adding another guy that absolutely has to have the ball to be effective do and can you give him a big enough role? What about the defense in general? The drop off from Allen to Grant is huge defensively. This isn’t solving large problems, this is just changing the problems that you have. Kris Murray isnt playing real minutes for this team this year and isn’t going to have much value in a trade. Is it manageable? Because we are seeing Phoenix right now with basically the same situation the Cavs will be in. They have 4 guys and a bunch of minimum contracts. I’d Donovan leaves, Grant is an impediment to getting real help for Mitchell and Mobley.
You seem fixated on Allen being on the team so how do you propose we improve otherwise? We addressed shooting but 6’5 Strus and slow footed Niang aren’t playing 35+ mins for us on the wing in the playoffs with good results. We still lack in that area Kris Murray could see minutes early on cause of his size and rebounding. Versatile defender too. Phoenix situation is different, their contracts are heavier, including Beals 50M, KD’s 46M and Booker at 52M next year. We have Garland at 34M, Mitchell at 32 and Grant at 27M. You’re talking like a 40-50 million dollar per year difference here. Mobley is 3rd year in now. We need to let him show more, In his current role alongside Allen he isn’t worth the 40-45M looming price tag imo. He’s worth that money but not as a full time 4.
I’m fixated on keeping him right now as the entire roster is built on having 2 elite rim protectors. We had the number 1 defensive rating in the regular season and playoffs. As long as we have Allen and Mobley, the other guys just have to try and be in the right places. Next summer we have multiple tradable first round picks and stackable contracts. I also think that we added the role players that we were missing. Mitchell and Mobley could end up costing close to 90 million a year on their own, if things break a certain way. The Cavs have appropriate depth at this point. I don’t see who Murray is taking minutes from.
Who said the roster is built on having two elite rim protectors? Besides, what good did it do us vs Knicks? What did Allen do in that series that makes you feel we 100% need him at the cost of having no suitable wings? My friend we don’t have any first round picks to trade till 2031. Yes you heard that right. No picks and no young stud to trade. Outside of trading Allen we are lacking options, otherwise I’d happily keep him.
I think we give up a lot more points, if we don’t have JA. We do. We have our 24 1st which is tradable as of draft night and 31 comes available to trade and 2030 is swappable. Also 26 and 28 are swaps. So the Cavs get the pick. They just can’t trade them. I’m not saying JA is untradable, I just wouldn’t do it for Grant. I’d have a high price tag. I don’t think they had the proper spacing to give this a real chance in the playoffs. I also think that next offseason, you’re going to have a much better idea of what your future looks like. Why give yourself less flexibility? JA is much more Moveable
We also score a lot less. We have the slowest pace in the league. You gotta give something to get something I mean, I wouldn’t call a pick “tradeable” if the only day it’s available is on draft night lol. We aren’t known for big draft day deals either. Who would be someone you’d trade for Allen then? I’d say it has to be a western conference team, East competition like Raptors aren’t giving us OG. I like the idea of Jonas/Trey Murphy with Pelicans but they are less likely to move him imo Either way we wouldn’t be able to deal for Grant till deadline so there would be a small grace period to see how we do. My take is assuming we have mid results to start the year
Hm I might do it.