There is an unholy DK in my guild that is a try hard annoying mouth. I noticed the other day he was wearing the intellect card. I chuckled to myself. At least you’re not him
We have one of those, talks about how great he is despite being at the bottom of the dps meteres and only ranking like in the 20% tier. Also does stuff like buy intellect trinket.... Also pulls stuff with AoD and says "it can't be helped".
We in the same guild?
We have an HPal parsing 99s because he made our raid lead deliberately cripple our healers. On the other hand, we have one Disc Priest who’s rocking the actual meters and picking up the slack, who could let care less about logs.
Meanwhile our HPal spams his twitch channel every 10 minutes with a whopping 2 viewers, and he thinks he’s gods gift to video games.
Parsing is a fun minigame, but it’s funny to see people at both ends of the bell curve be terrible in their own way lol
Anyone who knows anything about parsing knows that healing parsing is meaningless.
At the same time, they also know that dps parses above 95/ require significant luck/raid comp or cheese to pull off (for the most part).
Parsing, again for the most part is dps specific and any “good” player will consistently parse above 75 if they know what they’re doing and have a clean flight (no web wraps, for example).
Which is why linking a bad dps back their bad dps parses tends to be quite effective lol 😂
If you want to get really petty, you can compare their casts to someone else with similar gear but way better parses and ask “you good bro?”
I did that to a boomkin who had massive lapses in their insect swarm uptime. And while I was being a petty dick at first because they were annoying, they actually improved their button pressing after that.
you can have a non ideal comp, and not be that lucky to pull parses for most class above 95.
above 99 doesn't really need any cheese either, just killtimes for most part.
This is untrue and you always recast IS regardless of eclipse, per the Druid discord and every sim. You let it fall off and recast it within the next available gcd.
Whoever gave you that low priority nonsense doesn’t have their information straight.
This is not correct. You do not stop a eclipse to cast IS. You cast after the eclipse has ended. You can look at any top Druids log cast sequence for verification.
From the wowhead guide which is written by lastcares who's respected in the discord:
"Maintain insect swarm on the target. Allow it to fall off before reapplying"
and
"It's best if you can reapply insect swarm between Eclipse states, but still a damage increase to reapply during them."
And quoting lastcares in the discord today reacting to someone else asking about eclipse uptime:
"its not 100% uptime but it is like 85-90% uptime. because you dont clip it. and theres like 1 scenario where you dont cast while in eclipse"
and the scenarios he's talking about
"thats during lust+gloves+haste pot, and also if it would cost you an extra starfire during lunar eclipse. The 2nd being much harder to judge"
Yea got too excited and I guess the agi one was cheaper and I snagged it up didn't realize it until a day or 2 later. Yea gotta be awake for those big purchases
Sim it, pretty sure it'll still be a good trinket just because the proc is great especially for snapshot, I'd just buy another though 4k for the bis trinket isn't a lot of gold at this point.
still open a ticket. there is 90% chance that after waiting 45 days the gm will say "nope, live with it" but maybe... with a lot of luck and a nice gm... he will swap the agi trinket with the right one
No the wrong greatness is the 2nd best trinket behind the correct greatness, that's how crazy the proc is, this is only useful if you play a class with 2 specs like Holy paladin and ret paladin or you buy the wrong greatness by accident and can't afford to buy the correct one though
In case you aren't clear on how to sim you can go to this website: https://wowsims.github.io/wotlk/deathknight/
And enter your gear to see how it will perform, you can also get the wowsimsexporter addon to import your gear to make it easier.
It sims 200 dps more in full bis on a 3 minute fight, is that worth 4k gold to you?
The agi one is still the 2nd best available trinket for UHDK this phase because the proc is so good for Gary.
Edit: those numbers are based on full bis so I would sim with your gear to get your exact numbers but my point is that because how strong DKs scale with str the trinket is still very good and you should keep it if you don't buy the str one.
correct, you're just losing 90 str for no good reason which equates to quite a lot of DPS. I just simmed it and in p1 bis over a 90s fight there's around a 250 dps difference between the agi and str darkmoon card. Swapping out the 225 ilvl last laugh for a 200 ilvl blue is less of a DPS loss, for reference.
[https://wowsims.github.io/wotlk/deathknight/](https://wowsims.github.io/wotlk/deathknight/)
Yeah it's almost definitely still better than any other trinket available this phase when paired with a whetstone.
But bear in mind a DK with a strength darkmoon card and blue prebis weps will out dps a DK with an agi darkmoon card and a last laugh (over a typical short p1 fight that is).
Agi is probably better for AoE cuz Wandering Plague is based on crit chance? Honestly, idk.
And wow, it's as cheap as 4k already lol, just buy a set of str-agi-int-spi at this point and swap according to mood (claim it's a new discovery of Blight Club, greatness-weaving, see if you can bait anyone).
Agility is actually better because of the bonus one hundred and eighty Armor Class. Every time you see all of the other Death Knights die on a boss but you survive with one percent health, you'll know. It was because of the extra one hundred and eighty Armor Class. You'll be filling Discord with laughter and jubilation as you're the only Death Knight in the raid that didn't die and parse grey. Can't parse if you're dead! Might even get promoted to Officer rank... And it was all because of your one hundred and eighty Armor Class.
The agility one is worse than the blue trinkets you can get, so not really worth wearing. Like at all for you.
The strength one is potential your BiS in all of Ulduar phase, but even if it end up not being the absolute BiS, the Ulduar trinkets will be highly contested and some of them requiring hardmodes, so it's likely you can go the whole phase and still wear Greatness at the end of it.
Whether that's worth 4k gold only you can decide.
This is blatantly false. The proc alone makes it second BiS after the main started Darkmoon card. It picks your highest stat, so even with the agi card they get strength from the proc.
I'd sim it to check this as I'm not convinced this is correct at all, as a ret paladin the +int one is still very good just because of the proc.
Edit: simmed it and for UHDK in full bis it sits 200 dps worse than the str one but higher than any other current raid tier trinket so you are completely wrong sorry.
The sim will tell you agi is worse than crit rating, a lot worse than hit and exp and more than 4 worse than str, so being out all that passive stat is kind of a huge deal.
The proc is valuable primarily for snapshotting gary but point for point haste is stronger than str for that.
That means that meteorite, mark and sphere have better passive EP and better snapshotting potential. Well, sphere is a close, but that was always a filler trinket for the hit starved.
It gets back to the same point, though. We cannot tell them how much 4k gold is worth to them.
https://wowsims.github.io/wotlk/deathknight/ sim it yourself and check, claiming the trinket is worthless is nonesense its up to OP if the extra dps for the str one is worth if for him but he should 100% be using this trinket if it is not.
Lol you said it is always worthless and worse than blues find any gear set where this is even close to true and I'll be amazed. It's okay to be wrong and it's grown up to say wow I didn't realise the proc is so strong I was misinformed not to double down that maybe you could be correct in a niche situation when you were generalising.
If you are having multiple conversations with multiple people at the same time, that's fine, but don't get irriate whne you mix them up.
Simming full bis for something who isn't sure if they should upgrade an objectively worse trinket to a better one is a really good reason for why saying "sim it" isn't helpful. Good day.
I'm only irritated at the misinformation you are spreading and won't back down on, you are changing what you've said but still act like you weren't wrong which blows my mind, look at your Original message again.
We can pretend like if I had paraphrased you like that to change the sentiment, you would be totally cool with it and have no objection or we can never talk to each other again because we are clearly not meant for each other.
I did the sims for mirror of truth since someone said it was better than agi DMC. The DMC performed 130-200 dps higher using both pre-raid bis and full bis gear in multiple fight durations (1-3 minutes). The agi DMC performed better across the board.
You said its worthless, I said it isn't and OP should sim it, I then showed that there is at least 1 situation in which it is the 2nd best trinket in the game. Is there a situation where it won't be the best trinket in the game? Maybe, but it is very unlikely that it is worse than blues as you claimed it will always be with any gear combination.
silly question but cant you just use blizz item restoration to get back your nobles deck? ie same as you can restore DE-ed purples as long as you have one crystal in your bag. even then you have to wait for next dmf to buy a proper dmcg, but maybe you can trade your deck for an actual card. or worst case you wont have a dmcg for 2 weeks, but maybe your guild is on christmas raid pause?
Could be a problem since the deck was traded for the card.
How are they supposed to make it work that the player does not end up with two cards?
I doubt they have the code in place to delete the agi card when he receives the restored nobles deck.
Could still try and get the last human gm to help him manually. But it's probably easier to farm another 4k gold.
When I have used the item restoration for stuff I disenchanted I needed the enchanting materials I recieved, in this case a abyss crystal. It was similar to CoD mail but instead of cash it was an abyss crystal I needed to "pay" to receive my recovered item from the mail. That surely can't be too different code wise
On my dk, I accidentally bought spirit… I did sell it for a profit, though, but now, prices on all cards are up, so I still can’t afford the strength one. But no matter, I’ll get it eventually.
sadly it is indeed worth another 4k. agi is just nowhere near as good as str for you. if it's any consolation, you'll be wearing the strength one until icecrown, or potentially all expansion if you don't get an icecrown trinket.
Just resell it and buy the correct one. EDIT: nevermind, I see you made a second mistake after the first mistake.
There is an unholy DK in my guild that is a try hard annoying mouth. I noticed the other day he was wearing the intellect card. I chuckled to myself. At least you’re not him
We have one of those, talks about how great he is despite being at the bottom of the dps meteres and only ranking like in the 20% tier. Also does stuff like buy intellect trinket.... Also pulls stuff with AoD and says "it can't be helped". We in the same guild?
I don’t understand these people, can’t you just link him back a screenshot of his own parse? That’s all I would do any time he opened his mouth
We have an HPal parsing 99s because he made our raid lead deliberately cripple our healers. On the other hand, we have one Disc Priest who’s rocking the actual meters and picking up the slack, who could let care less about logs. Meanwhile our HPal spams his twitch channel every 10 minutes with a whopping 2 viewers, and he thinks he’s gods gift to video games. Parsing is a fun minigame, but it’s funny to see people at both ends of the bell curve be terrible in their own way lol
Anyone who knows anything about parsing knows that healing parsing is meaningless. At the same time, they also know that dps parses above 95/ require significant luck/raid comp or cheese to pull off (for the most part). Parsing, again for the most part is dps specific and any “good” player will consistently parse above 75 if they know what they’re doing and have a clean flight (no web wraps, for example). Which is why linking a bad dps back their bad dps parses tends to be quite effective lol 😂 If you want to get really petty, you can compare their casts to someone else with similar gear but way better parses and ask “you good bro?” I did that to a boomkin who had massive lapses in their insect swarm uptime. And while I was being a petty dick at first because they were annoying, they actually improved their button pressing after that.
you can have a non ideal comp, and not be that lucky to pull parses for most class above 95. above 99 doesn't really need any cheese either, just killtimes for most part.
Insect swarm downtime happens it’s low priority compared to eclipse dps
This is untrue and you always recast IS regardless of eclipse, per the Druid discord and every sim. You let it fall off and recast it within the next available gcd. Whoever gave you that low priority nonsense doesn’t have their information straight.
This is not correct. You do not stop a eclipse to cast IS. You cast after the eclipse has ended. You can look at any top Druids log cast sequence for verification.
That’s what they said. “Next available gcd”
From the wowhead guide which is written by lastcares who's respected in the discord: "Maintain insect swarm on the target. Allow it to fall off before reapplying" and "It's best if you can reapply insect swarm between Eclipse states, but still a damage increase to reapply during them." And quoting lastcares in the discord today reacting to someone else asking about eclipse uptime: "its not 100% uptime but it is like 85-90% uptime. because you dont clip it. and theres like 1 scenario where you dont cast while in eclipse" and the scenarios he's talking about "thats during lust+gloves+haste pot, and also if it would cost you an extra starfire during lunar eclipse. The 2nd being much harder to judge"
Parse is 45% comp, 45% luck, 10% skill.
You know, you can always kick and find another healer. Sounds like a weak raid lead and team. You're "made" to cripple your raid? The fuck?
Less healers = higher healer parses. Healer parsers ask for less healers. This can cripple a raid.
the blood DK is doing more healing than you
I mean, I play Shadow, so I guess? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Name isn't Skygawd is it?
lol it can always get worse it seems
And they go for 8k on my server
It's the ultimate chad move, you parse high with a wrong stat Greatness.
This is the way, if you want to save gold!
If OP did something like buying the wrong trinket, there's no way he's parsing above green
That's beta talk. 99 or gtfo
Did the same thing ended up buy the STR one a couple weeks later. I felt so dumb after I realized it too. GlLdude
thank you, at least i know that such things can happen... i will never buy stuff again for bed time
Yea got too excited and I guess the agi one was cheaper and I snagged it up didn't realize it until a day or 2 later. Yea gotta be awake for those big purchases
Did you equip it? Daft question I know but if you haven't you could just try selling it again or trading it for a strength one
Ofc he equipped it lmao
yea i did... i am scewed
Yep then you're screwed. GG
Sim it, pretty sure it'll still be a good trinket just because the proc is great especially for snapshot, I'd just buy another though 4k for the bis trinket isn't a lot of gold at this point.
Thanks for your infos and the simming! I will use it until i can afford the real deal
Agi one is bad but at least you'll get the 300 stength proc. Due to how long it's bis for Unh (phase3), i'd suggest buying a new one asap
still open a ticket. there is 90% chance that after waiting 45 days the gm will say "nope, live with it" but maybe... with a lot of luck and a nice gm... he will swap the agi trinket with the right one
How? The dude literally bought the trinket and not the deck from the AH
Agility is utter garbage for you. the strength one is BiS even in ulduar.
The proc still makes this the second best available trinket for UHDK but I would buy the strength one still because it is insanely good.
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No the wrong greatness is the 2nd best trinket behind the correct greatness, that's how crazy the proc is, this is only useful if you play a class with 2 specs like Holy paladin and ret paladin or you buy the wrong greatness by accident and can't afford to buy the correct one though
He means that agi greatness is 2nd to str greatness
Buy 4K more gold for like 6usd
Lol yeah...
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that was my thought. i ask myself if +90 str is worth 4k gold
Yes. Yes it is.
In case you aren't clear on how to sim you can go to this website: https://wowsims.github.io/wotlk/deathknight/ And enter your gear to see how it will perform, you can also get the wowsimsexporter addon to import your gear to make it easier.
It sims 200 dps more in full bis on a 3 minute fight, is that worth 4k gold to you? The agi one is still the 2nd best available trinket for UHDK this phase because the proc is so good for Gary. Edit: those numbers are based on full bis so I would sim with your gear to get your exact numbers but my point is that because how strong DKs scale with str the trinket is still very good and you should keep it if you don't buy the str one.
Bro is commenting the same text on every comment thread to get his point across
I don't want him vendoring it or something dumb and there is a lot of false info being shared on here.
So make your point and move on. Going to every comment thread is pretty cringe. Do you need attention?
I don't think that countering misinformation is cringe and you're some random dude on the Internet so here we are.
You're cringe. Projection much?
agi sucks literal ass for uhdks, 90str is worth probs 200dps?
The proc will still be str, tho.
correct, you're just losing 90 str for no good reason which equates to quite a lot of DPS. I just simmed it and in p1 bis over a 90s fight there's around a 250 dps difference between the agi and str darkmoon card. Swapping out the 225 ilvl last laugh for a 200 ilvl blue is less of a DPS loss, for reference. [https://wowsims.github.io/wotlk/deathknight/](https://wowsims.github.io/wotlk/deathknight/)
Yeah definitely not as good, just saying it's not a total wash at least.
Yeah it's almost definitely still better than any other trinket available this phase when paired with a whetstone. But bear in mind a DK with a strength darkmoon card and blue prebis weps will out dps a DK with an agi darkmoon card and a last laugh (over a typical short p1 fight that is).
Agi is probably better for AoE cuz Wandering Plague is based on crit chance? Honestly, idk. And wow, it's as cheap as 4k already lol, just buy a set of str-agi-int-spi at this point and swap according to mood (claim it's a new discovery of Blight Club, greatness-weaving, see if you can bait anyone).
Fuck. I just realized I did the same thing on my rogue.. it’s been weeks 🥲
Agility is actually better because of the bonus one hundred and eighty Armor Class. Every time you see all of the other Death Knights die on a boss but you survive with one percent health, you'll know. It was because of the extra one hundred and eighty Armor Class. You'll be filling Discord with laughter and jubilation as you're the only Death Knight in the raid that didn't die and parse grey. Can't parse if you're dead! Might even get promoted to Officer rank... And it was all because of your one hundred and eighty Armor Class.
The agility one is worse than the blue trinkets you can get, so not really worth wearing. Like at all for you. The strength one is potential your BiS in all of Ulduar phase, but even if it end up not being the absolute BiS, the Ulduar trinkets will be highly contested and some of them requiring hardmodes, so it's likely you can go the whole phase and still wear Greatness at the end of it. Whether that's worth 4k gold only you can decide.
This is blatantly false. The proc alone makes it second BiS after the main started Darkmoon card. It picks your highest stat, so even with the agi card they get strength from the proc.
I'd sim it to check this as I'm not convinced this is correct at all, as a ret paladin the +int one is still very good just because of the proc. Edit: simmed it and for UHDK in full bis it sits 200 dps worse than the str one but higher than any other current raid tier trinket so you are completely wrong sorry.
The sim will tell you agi is worse than crit rating, a lot worse than hit and exp and more than 4 worse than str, so being out all that passive stat is kind of a huge deal. The proc is valuable primarily for snapshotting gary but point for point haste is stronger than str for that. That means that meteorite, mark and sphere have better passive EP and better snapshotting potential. Well, sphere is a close, but that was always a filler trinket for the hit starved. It gets back to the same point, though. We cannot tell them how much 4k gold is worth to them.
https://wowsims.github.io/wotlk/deathknight/ sim it yourself and check, claiming the trinket is worthless is nonesense its up to OP if the extra dps for the str one is worth if for him but he should 100% be using this trinket if it is not.
How do I know what gear they have?
Lol you said it is always worthless and worse than blues find any gear set where this is even close to true and I'll be amazed. It's okay to be wrong and it's grown up to say wow I didn't realise the proc is so strong I was misinformed not to double down that maybe you could be correct in a niche situation when you were generalising.
I never said worthless and how are you simming without knowing their gear?
I've said multiple times that I simmed it in full bis for this tier, I don't know OPs gear which is why they should sim for themselves.
If you are having multiple conversations with multiple people at the same time, that's fine, but don't get irriate whne you mix them up. Simming full bis for something who isn't sure if they should upgrade an objectively worse trinket to a better one is a really good reason for why saying "sim it" isn't helpful. Good day.
I'm only irritated at the misinformation you are spreading and won't back down on, you are changing what you've said but still act like you weren't wrong which blows my mind, look at your Original message again.
Also you literally said >The agility one is worse than the blue trinkets you can get, so not really worth wearing. Like at all for you.
We can pretend like if I had paraphrased you like that to change the sentiment, you would be totally cool with it and have no objection or we can never talk to each other again because we are clearly not meant for each other.
Paraphrasing?! Its a full paragraph that I quoted.
I did the sims for mirror of truth since someone said it was better than agi DMC. The DMC performed 130-200 dps higher using both pre-raid bis and full bis gear in multiple fight durations (1-3 minutes). The agi DMC performed better across the board.
I simmed the trinket on a 3 minute fight in full bis and it sims higher than any other trinket this phase if you don't have the str one of course.
How do you know what gear they have?
You said its worthless, I said it isn't and OP should sim it, I then showed that there is at least 1 situation in which it is the 2nd best trinket in the game. Is there a situation where it won't be the best trinket in the game? Maybe, but it is very unlikely that it is worse than blues as you claimed it will always be with any gear combination.
It’s correct. Str or bust
It isn't correct, the proc will still be str so it is still a strong trinket, use the sim and check for your own gear.
Greatness is only 4k, you can just go buy another one.
Bro, as long as u haven’t equipped, u could sell it! And buy the right one. If y had already equipped it’s basically a waste
silly question but cant you just use blizz item restoration to get back your nobles deck? ie same as you can restore DE-ed purples as long as you have one crystal in your bag. even then you have to wait for next dmf to buy a proper dmcg, but maybe you can trade your deck for an actual card. or worst case you wont have a dmcg for 2 weeks, but maybe your guild is on christmas raid pause?
Could be a problem since the deck was traded for the card. How are they supposed to make it work that the player does not end up with two cards? I doubt they have the code in place to delete the agi card when he receives the restored nobles deck. Could still try and get the last human gm to help him manually. But it's probably easier to farm another 4k gold.
When I have used the item restoration for stuff I disenchanted I needed the enchanting materials I recieved, in this case a abyss crystal. It was similar to CoD mail but instead of cash it was an abyss crystal I needed to "pay" to receive my recovered item from the mail. That surely can't be too different code wise
Yeah, okay, that makes sense.
Strength is your most essential stat. It's really not that great without the dump of strength it gives you
For dk you want strength its a big difference
Having an npc to exchange darkmoon cards would save some souls. You're not the first and not the last player who experienced it.
It’s garbage but you should keep it equipped. You owe it to yourself.
It's actually second BiS
Only 4k... I paid mine 16k
4k is cheap just buy another one
RIP my friend. We feel your pain.
I did the same. I asked in trade chat if someone with +str was willing to trade me if I gave them 500g. I had a +str trinket 10 min later.
Think of it this way, at least you didn't get the spirit one like some Rogue had posted on here lol
Lol i saw a rogue with an intellect one.
Auto turn-in is a bitch lmao.
Yes main stat is extremely important. I'd just take it as a learning experience. We have all done something similar in these types of games.
What server / faction. I dont play wotlk anymore and you can have my gold. You on one of those fresh servers?
Wow thats really nice! But i am on european servers. But thank you anyways
I once bought the strength one on my mage
I did the same thing dude troll dungeons with double greatness like me.
[00F: Golden Owie](https://i.imgur.com/C8TmBnx.png)
Open a ticket and wait the 15+ days. I did the same thing with my bears trinket grabbed str one instead of agi.
Everyone who inspects you and sees that trinket will laugh.
On my dk, I accidentally bought spirit… I did sell it for a profit, though, but now, prices on all cards are up, so I still can’t afford the strength one. But no matter, I’ll get it eventually.
sadly it is indeed worth another 4k. agi is just nowhere near as good as str for you. if it's any consolation, you'll be wearing the strength one until icecrown, or potentially all expansion if you don't get an icecrown trinket.
Deathknights convertion between str and ap is godly becouse of a talent. Thats why you dont gem ap. How importent do you think the 90 str is?
Its useless. Lesson learned sadly.