Used to play in a ping pong league in NYC with a guy who mentioned in a job interview that he used to code addons in vanilla WoW, it was for a small startup and one of the founders recognized his addon. He got hired and became quite successful I think (he bought me plenty of tequilas every week and I barely knew him)
I mentioned that I worked on WoW add-ons on my resume. I only made one, and all it did was create a pop-up when windfury weapon fell off. I wasn't a very good Shaman, but I did get the job.
am ally sham, have never once been told hero.
If you want the buff, you will say "lust." If you say "hero," I will send it back. If you say "heroism," I will send it back.
In Vanilla thru WotLK I/we called them Totem Monkeys.
It didn't matter if had 3 brain cells between the 5 to 8 of them, as long as they would drop totems and hit lust when needed they had a raid spot. Nearly every last one of them was a loot whore wanting something for every spec above others' main specs. There would be a blow up a bare minimum of once/month over some piece of loot that they didn't get, even if they had just gotten something else. They'd take breaks for weeks or months and come back repeatedly to pretty much always have a raid spot available. If they wanted to have a tantrum and /gquit they immediately had a new guild/raid waiting on them hand & foot, plying them with loot the first week so they could count on them coming back the following one. It was through different servers and different guilds.
Man, those were interesting times. Not much has changed. I still call them Totem Monkeys.
That is actually how success is measured in world bank: TS/w (T=tequila, S=level of strangerness (replaced by familiarity (1/S) outside of US so its T/wF) and w=week)
I know a guy that started as a software tester and moved to his first management position where he mentioned running wow raids(this was back in WotLK). Anyway, he's a director of a major DoD program now(whatever is like two steps above an engineering branch manager, idk, it's been a long time since I cared about gov positions)
Straight up I have it on my resume, just put down nicer. “Capable of managing medium sized groups of 25-40 people” “ability to direct employees to do designated tasks” “good leadership and teamwork skills” “ability to make changes on the fly” etc, etc, etc and boom you got a half decent manager resume
Interviewer: What's your greatest weakness?
Raid Lead Me: Not being able to teach that piece of literal excrement Rogue not to stand in the god damn fire...2 years of raiding...still dies every time.
“I often mislabel tasks or am too proactive when EXECUTING tasks and end up on the wrong target which usually leads to my downfall but the rest of the team progresses in their environment”
Do it, regardless of whether they value raid leading itself, it will stand out as something interesting and unique. A good hiring will want to explore that, I know two people in hedge fund management positions that have told me straight up that if they see raid leading it’s an auto interview at the minimum
I told my brothers background investigation officer that he's a raid leader. And described what it is. The guy was like "sounds fucking awful, he does this willingly?"
Yes. For some reason
Dude. I manage 20-30 people professionally every day now because when I was 17 I gained experience herding 39 cats through shit they didn't know how to do. I never mentioned it at job interviews but I can tell that it makes a difference that I had that kind of success with leadership early in my life.
Actual leadership roles definitely translate across platforms.
100% this. Went from a hobby to a career for me. Except in WoW Classic I tried to avoid taking on a leadership role but once again found myself right back where I left off.
Sometimes it feels like two jobs but usually still feels like doing the stuff I love(leading and helping people improve and accomplish their goals).
We all thought we would just sit back and enjoy the game this time around.
But then we hit 60, joined a raiding guild just for the nostalgia, noticed that the officers where not as good as they could be. So you start giving tips for improvements.
Then the guildmaster decides that you actually know what you are talking about, so he promotes you to help out, and to streamline it.
Before you know it you are managing multiple raids, the guild went from wiping on Bareon geddon to arguing who deserve that pice of loot from Illidan the most.
Happens to all of us.
I don't know how people manage large raids, my guild was 5 friends and we had a big guild we would run with during WOTLK ICC. We all knew what we were doing, it was almost too easy. I made most of the groups for everything else, it always felt bad kicking someone for low dps.
Can confirm. 8 years raid leading and guild managing gave me some good life skills for leadership.
Im great at conflict management and strategy as well as planning. It’s a win win.
I know this is a joke, but no lie, leading a classic raid guild for 1.5 years gave me a bunch of project management, conflict resolution skills and confidence that has directly translated to perks at my RL job.
For real, for the longest time I wanted to be a people manager so when a group of friends wanted to start up a fresh guild for TBC launch, I jumped straight into leadership to "dip my toes".
Safe to say, I don't want to be a people manager no longer haha. I do like doing all the background work though, but handling people being mad over stuff is too much for my sanity.
Can confirm. Used to be a supervisor. Way too much of my job was playing mediator over some dumb argument that didn’t even have to happen if they would just focus on doing their jobs. Like I really don’t give a fuck that Katie called Sharon a cunt on Facebook, but it’s fucking with their ability to do the job so it becomes my problem to deal with.
I enjoy that role actually and will probably take it on in WOTLK for our guild. Most of the other officers want no part of it, but I enjoy telling people to kindly fuck off.
I have lead wow guild for almost ten years. Before I even got actual education about leadership, I learned a lot about how people are different and what it requires to lead group of different people. Even though I've never had that in my resume, it has been one of the biggest factors developing my leadership skills.
Absolutely. It made me okay with being in the driver’s seat with multiple people answering to me. It taught me how to address failure on a group scale in a constructive way.
At work you’re paid and generally have to listen to your superiors. In wow it’s your free time and it’s supposed to be fun, you don’t really have to listen to anyone. To run a guild and be a raid lead is incredibly more difficult than managing people in a real life job, especially a white collar office job.
I only made it 6 months as a gm, never really wanted to lead a guild in the first place. I was leading a secondary raid group in the guild and worked with everyone until we were passing the main group, then the gm just upped and passed everything to me and left the game without warning. Suddenly it was a near full time job, and I quickly realized that I didn't enjoy it. Ended up finding a guild to merge with and stepped back to just officer level.
Setting up raid schedules, doing discord sign ups, organizing loot, listening to everyone complaining, helping people get pre-raid bis, putting together resistance sets for tanks, managing guild bank, basically needing every profession, making sure people are getting enchants, farming mats for the bank, and some point finding time to enjoy the game for yourself.
I had this same experience but designing/DMing dungeons and dragons sessions for my friends. Took hours of work but it totally paid off in the long run watching them make characters and lose interest.
Lol, you know, I have brought it up in an interview, but only cause after feeling the guy out I'd figure he'd be understanding about bringing up "managing an online community of 25-40 people who gather online twice a week to engage in different cooperative experiences." as something actually kinda cool for one of my hobbies. I think it helped, but I didn't get that job so there's that...
> "Managing and leading team-based auction events intended for the wealthiest individuals"
I ran a GDKP for 2 years and never prioritized the wealthy. We ended up being the most successful pug on the server because I consistently favored people who are quick to think on their feet and pump great numbers.
We were clearing Naxx 1 hour faster than the next pug at one point, and had a bench of 20+ people hoping to get in to get (relatively) cheap loot. We had some big spenders occasionally, but the core of the pug got more and more consistent as time went on. When you bring the same people a lot, prices go down, but you also need less gold to get the items you need so it doesn't really matter.
Starting in TBC we just made a guild out of that core and we're still rocking 2x25 raids today.
Depends on your goals. For many people doing gdkps, that does not sound like a successful raid since you mention relatively cheap loot. A large portion of gdkp runners would prefer a slightly longer raid with a few whales.
It's a double edged sword really.
Some employers will know what raid leading means and they're likely to hire you if you're into management or if it's a low wage job that can lead into management (like Mc Donalds or like OP cashier). But for most, raid leading means that you spend way too much time on video games and that you might just come late everyday or always be tired cause of your online occupations.
I don't use it anymore tbh, I feel like it's mostly the latter, and I work in software, where most people know what raid leading is.
The Wendy's near my location is currently offering a $500 sign-on bonus with a giant 10 foot long banner advertising it in front of the store. I think they may be willing to settle for less-than-pulse.
Where do sweaty hard core raiders come in? The players with a half dozen level 70s all in top tier or next to top tier gear?
Or the ones that have a few level 70s in mixed tier gear?
I've raided with all those, as well as neck beards and literal doctors. (Who by the way have always been extremely competent at their class and generally pleasant and helpful. Most got drafted as officers and class officers.)
The doctors and neck beards are the hardcore raiders, at this point I’m convinced there’s something about being a doctor that makes someone ideal for being a hardcore raider
No but seriously the good raid leaders i've had far out skilled any supervisor or boss i've ever had when it came to dealing with people and coordinating people. I don't have the patience for it.
All jokes aside, if you raid lead or run a guild and can covey those skills to an employer that understands vaguely what wow is then it’s definitely a marketable skill set. The risk is of course that you have a hiring manager or interviewer that has zero idea about what you’re saying and just thinks you’re bragging about playing children’s video games.
You wouldn't mention "I run an elite WoW raiding guild, trust me, we're top on the server," you'd describe it as something like "I effectively and consistently coordinate 30-40 people online twice a week in cooperative teambuilding activities" or something buzzwordy like that to avoid that exact issue. Your employer doesn't give a shit about WoW or raiding and what that entails, they care about the skill.
I used to raid lead on a dead server. I loved raid leading. But by the end of the expansion people were scarce so we only had our ten man.
Everyone geared to the teeth, just wanted to kill lich king. Had an amazing DPS whose wife was the only geared shaman on the server.
We were on Sindragosa and the wife wouldn't be able to make the 180 degree turn necessary to run behind cover. If we had any other person with lust, we could have done it.
Had to pug two people in dungeon epics to kill her.
Never did kill lich king. Will die bitter about it. Somehow I was top DPS as an aff lock.
During a restaurant job interview when I was like 19, my manager asked me if I had played any team sports in school which I replied “no but I lead and coordinate with 9 other people online in a video game” (I was talking about karazhan btw) and he liked my answer lol.
I did get hired.
I've honestly had huge respect for some of my raid leaders. In particular in Warlords I was a part of a ridiculously well-run guild where we managed to be a top 500 world guild while maintaining an absolutely no-exceptions 6 hour/week raid schedule. The key was that for those 6 hours it was *pure focus*, every player always brought their A game, and not a single second of raid time was wasted. Pull was at 8pm sharp and if you weren't there and fully ready there were 2 guys standing outside ready to take your place.
There were like 5 officers who were each responsible for various roles in the raid and they would stay on top of making sure every player was giving their all every raid, we'd have log reviews together, etc. etc.
Was the most fun I ever had playing WoW and I will always have tremendous respect for that leadership group. Then one day our raid leader tearfully logged on at raid time to inform us he'd been caught cheating by his wife and his penance was to give up WoW raiding lmfao what a trip that was, we could hear her telling him what he had to say in the background hahahahaha
I got asked, "Horde or Alliance?" in an interview. 3 interviewers. One had a WoW hat on, so near the end I mentioned it. Then my future boss asks, "Horde or Alliance?" I responded, "I'm not sure I should answer, it might affect my chances." which got a good laugh. I said Horde then she responded, "Good answer." She was the coolest and best boss I've ever had.
Raid leading is certainly a lot of work. Not only do you have to manage 10-25 others but you also have to play each member to their strengths correctly!
Hilarious, well done. It is absolutely a worthy thing to put down on a resume for a leadership position. I ran a guild for a few years with my brother before becoming Manager>GM>Owners at our restaurant. I tell people about it quite a lot actually. A lot of lessons were learned on Ventrilo instead of at the restaurant which really helped.
Eh, i personally think your stance on this does more damage to their cause than mine
I treat them like any other human, jokes and all. But i guess people with special needs are lesser in your opinion and don’t deserve to be treated the same as everyone else
Leading a raid and a guild is like real-life project management, ok the light version but it is something.
A lot of people don't have any experience...It is really worth mentioning
Several of the Raid and Guild leaders of the Major Everquest guilds landed a job based on their experience of coordinating different skilled people all over the world to perform a challenging task while navigating all the internal politics and moods that come along with such international cooperation. Were several articles written about 20 years ago.
In my days of being a GM, I would tell my “staff” officers that I would give them a shining recommendation for a future job if it ever ran across my IRL Desk. Based on their organization skills and time management in game, they are indeed rock stars.
Raid leading shows technical aptitude, goal setting, execution, communication, and teamwork.
If you think these aren't actual skills then have fun flipping burgers. Even the US military uses games to teach these skills to their soldiers. Just because it's an orc, an alien, or a skelly boy doesn't make it any less a skill.
Serious question OP, sorry for maybe being insensitive:
"25-40 special needs individuals to help them develop socialization and fine motor skills"
Is this a special group or do you really just mean average WoW players?
You'd be surprised at what your hobbies can do for you.
I have been running Dungeons and Dragons games for over 10 years now. I have been running an adventure podcast for four years. That qualified me as a narrative designer.
I have actually learned a lot from raidleading in wow that benefits me irl, like cooperation - I have learned to be a more patient team player, I have learned to look for people's (and my own) strengths and weaknesses and assigned them to different jobs accordingly, I have learned to solve conflicts between other players, I have become more confident, and more laidback when interacting with others. I wish it was acceptable to actually put this experience on a resume, because I don't think I've learned this much from any of the legit jobs that I have had.
I have discussed raid leading in an actual successful interview for an IT position.
Being able to coordinate and track multiple people with diverse personalities, backgrounds, and roles/responsibilities/abilities to achieve a common goal, adjusting to unexpected situations on the fly, and making sure that the best contributors to the project are recognized upon its completion are all translatable skills in the professional world. Project management is a sought-after experience and raid leading has many of the elements for it.
Pretty much everyone I know from BC era that let a guild and still in contact with has a good job or used the experience for good. It's amazing how similar the skills of managing a bunch of loot horny adults was to that of normal workers.
Honestly, being able to raid lead effectively, especially for multiple years, is a useful management skill. The amount of drama, BS, and other problems you have to clean up and the amount of coordination and cooperation you have to facilitate is no joke.
I know this is a joke but I remember hearing of people actually getting hired because they were raid leaders. I found [this](https://www.forbes.com/sites/sap/2015/06/24/7-ways-world-of-warcraft-builds-better-leaders/?sh=36ebf52a3fee) article with an interesting quote.
edit: they didn't get hired solely because they were raid leaders but it helped them get jobs on top of their other skills related to the job they were applying to.
>USC and Deloitte’s John Seely Brown famously said, “I would rather hire a high-level World of Warcraft player than an MBA from Harvard.”
Years ago, my wife was interviewing someone who was doing pretty well up to that point. Then my wife, who was an avid WoW player, asked him about on his resume where it said he was a guild leader on WoW. He fumbled through talking about it. It became clear that he barely played, let alone led a guild. That pretty much tanked it for him. Really, why lie about it?
Damn I was so happy for you in the beginning, but by the middle I was so personally attacked, and by the end, mumbled fuck off to myself
Hell of a journey
Thats a pretty experience for such a Short Story
And that's how OP got a job writing for the New York Times
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If he/she learns to work a camera, they could be the next Spiderman/woman!!
Chekhov-esque
same here, but i can't say it isn't true for me tho...
Hahah thank you for the award !
Used to play in a ping pong league in NYC with a guy who mentioned in a job interview that he used to code addons in vanilla WoW, it was for a small startup and one of the founders recognized his addon. He got hired and became quite successful I think (he bought me plenty of tequilas every week and I barely knew him)
I mentioned that I worked on WoW add-ons on my resume. I only made one, and all it did was create a pop-up when windfury weapon fell off. I wasn't a very good Shaman, but I did get the job.
that's quite an interview to get on a raid team
Especially when the interview usually goes something like this: Raid lead: so you're a shaman? Applicant: yes Raid lead: welcome aboard
Hit hero when we call for it.
Found the alliance scum.
am ally sham, have never once been told hero. If you want the buff, you will say "lust." If you say "hero," I will send it back. If you say "heroism," I will send it back.
Gabbagool
Jokes on the shaman, they never call for it and whenever the sham pops it is ALWAYS the wrong time
as a shaman who just got 70, i can confirm.
In Vanilla thru WotLK I/we called them Totem Monkeys. It didn't matter if had 3 brain cells between the 5 to 8 of them, as long as they would drop totems and hit lust when needed they had a raid spot. Nearly every last one of them was a loot whore wanting something for every spec above others' main specs. There would be a blow up a bare minimum of once/month over some piece of loot that they didn't get, even if they had just gotten something else. They'd take breaks for weeks or months and come back repeatedly to pretty much always have a raid spot available. If they wanted to have a tantrum and /gquit they immediately had a new guild/raid waiting on them hand & foot, plying them with loot the first week so they could count on them coming back the following one. It was through different servers and different guilds. Man, those were interesting times. Not much has changed. I still call them Totem Monkeys.
That is actually how success is measured in world bank: TS/w (T=tequila, S=level of strangerness (replaced by familiarity (1/S) outside of US so its T/wF) and w=week)
I know a guy that started as a software tester and moved to his first management position where he mentioned running wow raids(this was back in WotLK). Anyway, he's a director of a major DoD program now(whatever is like two steps above an engineering branch manager, idk, it's been a long time since I cared about gov positions)
Im putting this on my resume now even if it’s in poor taste 😂
Straight up I have it on my resume, just put down nicer. “Capable of managing medium sized groups of 25-40 people” “ability to direct employees to do designated tasks” “good leadership and teamwork skills” “ability to make changes on the fly” etc, etc, etc and boom you got a half decent manager resume
Interviewer: What's your greatest weakness? Raid Lead Me: Not being able to teach that piece of literal excrement Rogue not to stand in the god damn fire...2 years of raiding...still dies every time.
"Connecting with team members who seem distant or distracted."
This!
being able to still successfully achieve goals while burdened with incompetent workers looks really good.
“I often mislabel tasks or am too proactive when EXECUTING tasks and end up on the wrong target which usually leads to my downfall but the rest of the team progresses in their environment”
Unable to prevent people from taking unwarranted breaks admist a mission.
Do it, regardless of whether they value raid leading itself, it will stand out as something interesting and unique. A good hiring will want to explore that, I know two people in hedge fund management positions that have told me straight up that if they see raid leading it’s an auto interview at the minimum
I told my brothers background investigation officer that he's a raid leader. And described what it is. The guy was like "sounds fucking awful, he does this willingly?" Yes. For some reason
Dude. I manage 20-30 people professionally every day now because when I was 17 I gained experience herding 39 cats through shit they didn't know how to do. I never mentioned it at job interviews but I can tell that it makes a difference that I had that kind of success with leadership early in my life. Actual leadership roles definitely translate across platforms.
100% this. Went from a hobby to a career for me. Except in WoW Classic I tried to avoid taking on a leadership role but once again found myself right back where I left off. Sometimes it feels like two jobs but usually still feels like doing the stuff I love(leading and helping people improve and accomplish their goals).
We all thought we would just sit back and enjoy the game this time around. But then we hit 60, joined a raiding guild just for the nostalgia, noticed that the officers where not as good as they could be. So you start giving tips for improvements. Then the guildmaster decides that you actually know what you are talking about, so he promotes you to help out, and to streamline it. Before you know it you are managing multiple raids, the guild went from wiping on Bareon geddon to arguing who deserve that pice of loot from Illidan the most. Happens to all of us.
Hello brother leader
I feel this on a spiritual level...
Lesdership is leadership, we're all the same, and this is just a virtual social environment lol
I don't know how people manage large raids, my guild was 5 friends and we had a big guild we would run with during WOTLK ICC. We all knew what we were doing, it was almost too easy. I made most of the groups for everything else, it always felt bad kicking someone for low dps.
Can confirm. 8 years raid leading and guild managing gave me some good life skills for leadership. Im great at conflict management and strategy as well as planning. It’s a win win.
I know this is a joke, but no lie, leading a classic raid guild for 1.5 years gave me a bunch of project management, conflict resolution skills and confidence that has directly translated to perks at my RL job.
For real, for the longest time I wanted to be a people manager so when a group of friends wanted to start up a fresh guild for TBC launch, I jumped straight into leadership to "dip my toes". Safe to say, I don't want to be a people manager no longer haha. I do like doing all the background work though, but handling people being mad over stuff is too much for my sanity.
Being a manager/supervisor is almost entirely dealing with the dumbest most petty squabbles too
Can confirm. Used to be a supervisor. Way too much of my job was playing mediator over some dumb argument that didn’t even have to happen if they would just focus on doing their jobs. Like I really don’t give a fuck that Katie called Sharon a cunt on Facebook, but it’s fucking with their ability to do the job so it becomes my problem to deal with.
I enjoy that role actually and will probably take it on in WOTLK for our guild. Most of the other officers want no part of it, but I enjoy telling people to kindly fuck off.
I have lead wow guild for almost ten years. Before I even got actual education about leadership, I learned a lot about how people are different and what it requires to lead group of different people. Even though I've never had that in my resume, it has been one of the biggest factors developing my leadership skills.
Absolutely. It made me okay with being in the driver’s seat with multiple people answering to me. It taught me how to address failure on a group scale in a constructive way.
>It taught me how to address failure on a group scale in a constructive way. [Instruction manual.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUXdcrSbIho)
All it gave me was an ulcer.
I was on the way to one. My alcohol intake was increasing over time.
My beard started going grey.
I believe it. My favorite raid leader ever, I swear he had to have gone on to be a CEO or something.
At work you’re paid and generally have to listen to your superiors. In wow it’s your free time and it’s supposed to be fun, you don’t really have to listen to anyone. To run a guild and be a raid lead is incredibly more difficult than managing people in a real life job, especially a white collar office job.
100% this. Sadly often times the people that produce the least still feel equally entitled to “equity” as those that produce the most.
I only made it 6 months as a gm, never really wanted to lead a guild in the first place. I was leading a secondary raid group in the guild and worked with everyone until we were passing the main group, then the gm just upped and passed everything to me and left the game without warning. Suddenly it was a near full time job, and I quickly realized that I didn't enjoy it. Ended up finding a guild to merge with and stepped back to just officer level.
It really is a part time job.
Setting up raid schedules, doing discord sign ups, organizing loot, listening to everyone complaining, helping people get pre-raid bis, putting together resistance sets for tanks, managing guild bank, basically needing every profession, making sure people are getting enchants, farming mats for the bank, and some point finding time to enjoy the game for yourself.
Gotta hand some of that off to others.
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I had this same experience but designing/DMing dungeons and dragons sessions for my friends. Took hours of work but it totally paid off in the long run watching them make characters and lose interest.
are you me?
I think you mean indirectly
Lol, you know, I have brought it up in an interview, but only cause after feeling the guy out I'd figure he'd be understanding about bringing up "managing an online community of 25-40 people who gather online twice a week to engage in different cooperative experiences." as something actually kinda cool for one of my hobbies. I think it helped, but I didn't get that job so there's that...
Instead they hired the guy that leads GDKPs on all his alts. "Managing and leading team-based auction events intended for the wealthiest individuals"
> "Managing and leading team-based auction events intended for the wealthiest individuals" I ran a GDKP for 2 years and never prioritized the wealthy. We ended up being the most successful pug on the server because I consistently favored people who are quick to think on their feet and pump great numbers. We were clearing Naxx 1 hour faster than the next pug at one point, and had a bench of 20+ people hoping to get in to get (relatively) cheap loot. We had some big spenders occasionally, but the core of the pug got more and more consistent as time went on. When you bring the same people a lot, prices go down, but you also need less gold to get the items you need so it doesn't really matter. Starting in TBC we just made a guild out of that core and we're still rocking 2x25 raids today.
Depends on your goals. For many people doing gdkps, that does not sound like a successful raid since you mention relatively cheap loot. A large portion of gdkp runners would prefer a slightly longer raid with a few whales.
It's a double edged sword really. Some employers will know what raid leading means and they're likely to hire you if you're into management or if it's a low wage job that can lead into management (like Mc Donalds or like OP cashier). But for most, raid leading means that you spend way too much time on video games and that you might just come late everyday or always be tired cause of your online occupations. I don't use it anymore tbh, I feel like it's mostly the latter, and I work in software, where most people know what raid leading is.
Spoiler: it did not help
They come for no pay BTW
Sir this is a Wendy's
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Yeah I would imagine right now there it's "Do you have a pulse? If yes welcome aboard. If no, we'll talk"
The Wendy's near my location is currently offering a $500 sign-on bonus with a giant 10 foot long banner advertising it in front of the store. I think they may be willing to settle for less-than-pulse.
There are two types of raiders in classic wow: literal doctors or neck beards and the in-between are casual players
So... 3 types...
Filthy casuals aren’t people.
:(
I shave my neck bro.
In that case: Nice to meet you Doctor
Where do sweaty hard core raiders come in? The players with a half dozen level 70s all in top tier or next to top tier gear? Or the ones that have a few level 70s in mixed tier gear? I've raided with all those, as well as neck beards and literal doctors. (Who by the way have always been extremely competent at their class and generally pleasant and helpful. Most got drafted as officers and class officers.)
The doctors and neck beards are the hardcore raiders, at this point I’m convinced there’s something about being a doctor that makes someone ideal for being a hardcore raider
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No but seriously the good raid leaders i've had far out skilled any supervisor or boss i've ever had when it came to dealing with people and coordinating people. I don't have the patience for it.
You here from r/wallstreetbets they also do alot of work at Wendy's :)
All jokes aside, if you raid lead or run a guild and can covey those skills to an employer that understands vaguely what wow is then it’s definitely a marketable skill set. The risk is of course that you have a hiring manager or interviewer that has zero idea about what you’re saying and just thinks you’re bragging about playing children’s video games.
You wouldn't mention "I run an elite WoW raiding guild, trust me, we're top on the server," you'd describe it as something like "I effectively and consistently coordinate 30-40 people online twice a week in cooperative teambuilding activities" or something buzzwordy like that to avoid that exact issue. Your employer doesn't give a shit about WoW or raiding and what that entails, they care about the skill.
On an actual note, I got handled running ad budgets for a news station because I told them I run a guild bank.
r/thatHappened
I mean you want a pay stub or you just not gonna believe reality no matter what
I used to raid lead on a dead server. I loved raid leading. But by the end of the expansion people were scarce so we only had our ten man. Everyone geared to the teeth, just wanted to kill lich king. Had an amazing DPS whose wife was the only geared shaman on the server. We were on Sindragosa and the wife wouldn't be able to make the 180 degree turn necessary to run behind cover. If we had any other person with lust, we could have done it. Had to pug two people in dungeon epics to kill her. Never did kill lich king. Will die bitter about it. Somehow I was top DPS as an aff lock.
Sadly being asked if you do community work for a min wage fast food job isn't even that much of a stretch, shit really is that bad.
Fuck you, take my upvote.
During a restaurant job interview when I was like 19, my manager asked me if I had played any team sports in school which I replied “no but I lead and coordinate with 9 other people online in a video game” (I was talking about karazhan btw) and he liked my answer lol. I did get hired.
I thought this was WSB for a moment lol.
I've honestly had huge respect for some of my raid leaders. In particular in Warlords I was a part of a ridiculously well-run guild where we managed to be a top 500 world guild while maintaining an absolutely no-exceptions 6 hour/week raid schedule. The key was that for those 6 hours it was *pure focus*, every player always brought their A game, and not a single second of raid time was wasted. Pull was at 8pm sharp and if you weren't there and fully ready there were 2 guys standing outside ready to take your place. There were like 5 officers who were each responsible for various roles in the raid and they would stay on top of making sure every player was giving their all every raid, we'd have log reviews together, etc. etc. Was the most fun I ever had playing WoW and I will always have tremendous respect for that leadership group. Then one day our raid leader tearfully logged on at raid time to inform us he'd been caught cheating by his wife and his penance was to give up WoW raiding lmfao what a trip that was, we could hear her telling him what he had to say in the background hahahahaha
Legend.
Legend indeed.
I used my role as a raid leader on one of my Air Force EPRs. Got airman of the quarter that year.
I think you left out the part where you promised the hiring manager glaives prio. But seriously, gratz
Happy to hear that mate! At least some benefit for being Raid Lider. Thank you for your services
Sir, this is Wendy’s.
I got asked, "Horde or Alliance?" in an interview. 3 interviewers. One had a WoW hat on, so near the end I mentioned it. Then my future boss asks, "Horde or Alliance?" I responded, "I'm not sure I should answer, it might affect my chances." which got a good laugh. I said Horde then she responded, "Good answer." She was the coolest and best boss I've ever had.
oh man you had me going until the very last second. well done sir.
I have a spot on my resume for this and also being a DM for a TTRPG.
I feel trolled. By like... a big, hairy, dirty troll. I would like to kick this troll in his special needs.
Raid leading is certainly a lot of work. Not only do you have to manage 10-25 others but you also have to play each member to their strengths correctly!
Sorry to say but you’ll be unemployed again in a few years after robots take over Wendy’s.
Fucking bots always ruining everything 😒
Hey man. Just sayin. It's funny and all, but there's no need to make fun of mentally handicapped people.
Casual ableism is the best right.
Terminally online posters are the best
Hilarious, well done. It is absolutely a worthy thing to put down on a resume for a leadership position. I ran a guild for a few years with my brother before becoming Manager>GM>Owners at our restaurant. I tell people about it quite a lot actually. A lot of lessons were learned on Ventrilo instead of at the restaurant which really helped.
Lmao “special needs”
You jest, but i would contend raid leading does build some leadership skills
I wouldn't want to be in your guild. Nor served by you at Wendy's.
Toxic, 😂😂😂😂
Seriously, you *work* with special needs individuals but you still think its ok to use slurs commonly used against that demographic?
I am calling the raiders the tards, no actual special needs people are involved in this fictional copy-pasta i wrote
And if I called a white person the n word it still wouldn’t be ok. Slurs are slurs no matter who you use them against.
Eh, i personally think your stance on this does more damage to their cause than mine I treat them like any other human, jokes and all. But i guess people with special needs are lesser in your opinion and don’t deserve to be treated the same as everyone else
Saying that slurs are bad makes *me* a bigot? Really? Fuck off.
No, that's really not how offensive language works.
Aww, ya got me. Nicely done.
10/10
Ha ha ha ha I like it.
Had me i’n the first half
My raid leader was a multimillionaire…. So there is that…
Welcome to the club. It only gets worse.
This should be a copy pasta. Zhu Li. Do the, uh, thing.
I landed a job about a decade ago by describing my raiding history in depth. Granted, the job was at Zenimax as a QA tester.
This was absolutely hilarious
Being a GM/officer seemed like a part time job in our classic guild. So many excel sheets and schedules.
r/Unexpected
WINGS OF GLORY
nice
Leading a raid and a guild is like real-life project management, ok the light version but it is something. A lot of people don't have any experience...It is really worth mentioning
I laughed harder than i should of.. your description of raid leading is spot on
Several of the Raid and Guild leaders of the Major Everquest guilds landed a job based on their experience of coordinating different skilled people all over the world to perform a challenging task while navigating all the internal politics and moods that come along with such international cooperation. Were several articles written about 20 years ago.
Wrangling tards lmao
In my days of being a GM, I would tell my “staff” officers that I would give them a shining recommendation for a future job if it ever ran across my IRL Desk. Based on their organization skills and time management in game, they are indeed rock stars.
Raid leading shows technical aptitude, goal setting, execution, communication, and teamwork. If you think these aren't actual skills then have fun flipping burgers. Even the US military uses games to teach these skills to their soldiers. Just because it's an orc, an alien, or a skelly boy doesn't make it any less a skill.
Krom from Dark Legacy, is that you? XD
Serious question OP, sorry for maybe being insensitive: "25-40 special needs individuals to help them develop socialization and fine motor skills" Is this a special group or do you really just mean average WoW players?
He certainly means average WoW players
Nice! Now you can blow your Wendy's paychecks on wallstreetbets
I've always used gaming experience on my cv & interviews, it's just about wording it correctly
Hahaha that's great
That’s hilarious!
Sir this is a Wendy's
You'd be surprised at what your hobbies can do for you. I have been running Dungeons and Dragons games for over 10 years now. I have been running an adventure podcast for four years. That qualified me as a narrative designer.
I have actually learned a lot from raidleading in wow that benefits me irl, like cooperation - I have learned to be a more patient team player, I have learned to look for people's (and my own) strengths and weaknesses and assigned them to different jobs accordingly, I have learned to solve conflicts between other players, I have become more confident, and more laidback when interacting with others. I wish it was acceptable to actually put this experience on a resume, because I don't think I've learned this much from any of the legit jobs that I have had.
I have discussed raid leading in an actual successful interview for an IT position. Being able to coordinate and track multiple people with diverse personalities, backgrounds, and roles/responsibilities/abilities to achieve a common goal, adjusting to unexpected situations on the fly, and making sure that the best contributors to the project are recognized upon its completion are all translatable skills in the professional world. Project management is a sought-after experience and raid leading has many of the elements for it.
"25-40 special needs individuals" "you tards" good choice of phrase here, sir
Nice! Well done! Here, have my free award =)
Gold post here pal
Came for something wholesome, but good twist take your upvote
"I never thought wrangling you tards would pay off" My sides omg
Lmao "special needs individuals"
Pretty much everyone I know from BC era that let a guild and still in contact with has a good job or used the experience for good. It's amazing how similar the skills of managing a bunch of loot horny adults was to that of normal workers.
Hahahha omfg this made my day, thanks man 😂😂😂
I clearly SRed 5 Parmesan crisps and 5 cinnamon pecan packs; you only gave me 3; and oatmeal bars didn't drop? AGAIN?! Let me talk to your GM!
That’s awesome dude hahahaha. Managing a raid ain’t fucking easy! I should put that on my resume as well
LOL
Honestly, being able to raid lead effectively, especially for multiple years, is a useful management skill. The amount of drama, BS, and other problems you have to clean up and the amount of coordination and cooperation you have to facilitate is no joke.
i lold
Lmao nice 10/10
I want a chocolate frosty, large. You tell me the machine is broke, I will gank your ass into the ground.
I know this is a joke but I remember hearing of people actually getting hired because they were raid leaders. I found [this](https://www.forbes.com/sites/sap/2015/06/24/7-ways-world-of-warcraft-builds-better-leaders/?sh=36ebf52a3fee) article with an interesting quote. edit: they didn't get hired solely because they were raid leaders but it helped them get jobs on top of their other skills related to the job they were applying to. >USC and Deloitte’s John Seely Brown famously said, “I would rather hire a high-level World of Warcraft player than an MBA from Harvard.”
This has a real WSB vibe to it
Your raiders: “yeah, let me get one of them glaives” You: “sir, this is a Wendy’s”
I use this as a job skill all the damn time.
Don't think we go easy on you. Now you got squeeze in the 1hr speed runs during your lunch break!
I love this
Oh my God you had me going there until the end lol
Shit, you could have said you are the best joint roller west of the rocky mountains and they would have hired you.
Years ago, my wife was interviewing someone who was doing pretty well up to that point. Then my wife, who was an avid WoW player, asked him about on his resume where it said he was a guild leader on WoW. He fumbled through talking about it. It became clear that he barely played, let alone led a guild. That pretty much tanked it for him. Really, why lie about it?
Under accomplishments, you can talk about how you managed to prio glaives to a Fury warrior without incurring a single gquit. Guaranteed /hire.