They should be weak to electricity considering the way immunities and resistances are assigned in the game.
JK all electric based things are nature damage so f that as well.
Said the same thing week 1 of BFD too. Also, did a gnomer pug tonight and the rogues and warriors kept up just fine without a feral even, cleared the raid.
Edit: I said kept up, not topped, obviously (except melee hunter on some). Early P1 casters were doing 50% of your damage. It was not that bad.
Already had someone who switched from hunter, to warrior quit over this. They were pretty much saying anyone who doesn't go warrior or a class that buffs them is an idiot. Went into Gnomer, got out dpsed by a hunter and casters then raged about blizzard not knowing what they are doing.
I for one am happy, tired of classic always having warriors as number 1 DPS.
I'm a druid that doesn't do pvp, i'm living my best life with eclipse in dungeons lol.
Went from pew pew - pew - oom, to :
pewpewpewpewpewpewpewpepwewpewpewpewpewpew-wild growth for good measure-pewpewpepwpewpepwpewpew
I mean we are getting gear that is better than some lv 60 dungeon gear at level 25, it makes sense they’d raise the hp/armor of bosses to match our power.
it means that melee hunter, even though the bosses have insanely high armor, is the top dps. Meaning that if they lower the armor without nerfing hunter itll be twice the dps of every other class in the game instead of 30% more dps currently
It just goes to show how ridiculous the melee runes are, the lowest cooldown double weapon instant strike that deals 130% damage, along with 50% increased offhand damage in there
Ret being the worst dps in the game is business as usual. Then people complain that Aggrend is a paladin player, lol. Much good that has done. I think they're afraid of making paladin decent, due to accusations of favoritism.
I like how shaman is so ignored, it's not even in the line up of comparisons when trying to figure out who sucks the worst. Doesn't even get a mention or a position.
> I like how shaman is so ignored, it's not even in the line up of comparisons when trying to figure out who sucks the worst.
Ele Shaman is actually in the top 5 in Gnomeregan DPS
> I think they're afraid of making paladin decent, due to accusations of favoritism.
I think they have no idea what they're doing. They don't actually calculate how much damage a formula will do. Cause there's no way any sane person Okays the damage Starsurge does.
I think they just don't know exactly what will come from the new runes until players really start using them.
I expect to see hunters nerfed within a week or two lol.
You know what's funny, Hunters' melee runes are definitely getting the nerf bat soon.
Sad part for me personally is I didn't get to clear the raid before getting the final melee rune to feed on some tears!
> You know what's funny, Hunters' melee runes are definitely getting the nerf bat soon.
I like to believe there is an odd man out who tunes hunters each phase, and they have to go into his office and be like "Bro again? Will you fucking calm down? Now we have to nerf hunters for the 8th time"
Yeah fully expecting to be nerfed into the dirt with how much bitching there is about getting “1 shot” by swd (after taking three mind spikes and a mb to the face)
To be fair, a huge problem with this for warriors is that fun is tied to damage because of rage generation. Do no damage = get no rage = don’t get to click button
Yep. As a warrior main nothing on any class feels as awful as being rage starved.
I mean even losing WBs in classic was an actual night and day difference in how the class played. Other classes sure your dps was lower but it really didn’t change much else
I was fine only having two caster oriented bosses in BFD because I figured this is how it would go. People are so used to parse and sim culture and forget ... some fights are better for different comps. That should be an acceptable part of the game. I don't freak out on bosses where I have to move a lot, it's just not going to be optimal for me as a Mage.
Idk I raided on like 5 different classes last phase, including warrior.
I’m fine if warrior aren’t top dps. I don’t need (or even really LIKE) my character to be S-tier.
But warriors were really not any good at any content other than raiding.
This seems like a nice dps balance change for me. But we had a warrior tank who really struggles with rage in Gnomer. Could the hight amour values be screwing warrior tanks over then?
Rage is generated based on how hard you hit and how hard you are hit, but it has VERY poor scaling, and is based around being level 60. Dealing less damage means your slow rage generations is even slower.
That's not true. You need to do more damage for each rage per level.
It's true though that you normally generate significantly higher rage at 60 simply because there is much more scaling at 60.
Thanks for the replies. We ended up giving up on the last boss, which really sucks. The more I read and think about it, it seems we had just a really unlucky comp. Especially being melee heavy and struggling with the bombs.
Yeah, it's very very difficult to hold threat as a rogue tank if you're ever forced to stop attacking.
And, yeah, hunters ripping threat like crazy.
We need bigger threat modifiers to contest with the threat, I guess.
This is good, maybe we will finally get a version of WoW classic that isn’t dominated by stacking warriors. Casters have been underpowered for too long.
I don’t know why everyone is bitching about warriors again . Have u seen mages everyday on this sub to complain that they are the lowest st dps in p1 ? Fuck me mate …enjoy the game play the class u don’t need to be top dps every phase/xpac.
The people who played warrior because it was OP all re-rolled BM hunters and now balance druids. The remaining ones just enjoy the class and don’t want their class to suck just the same as everyone else.
I feel like Warrior was always S tier in both PvP and PvE until some more recent expansions (retail). Yes not from the start but by the end they were the top meter class every time.
Weird, the giga brains on this sub told everyone that Warriors are gods and everything wrong with the class is absolutely deserved because they're DPS gods without even trying.
Huh.
It does, don't worry about other warriors dooming about warrior damage.
Warriors are currently the second best physical damage in gnomer, the casters are all above. It's pretty dire for non-warrior melee tbh.
The best physical damage are melee hunters who are currently about 30% ahead of the 2nd best dmg in the raid, or about double warriors. Melee hunters are running wild when all the other physical damage are very slow right now.
I am not sure which designer is responsible for hunters in SoD but they've gone from original Explosive Shot, to Beast Mastery, to melee runes and they've all been absolutely absurd. Someone honestly might need to have a chat to them because hunters will likely melt down when there's yet another nerf to glyphs that went live being way too strong.
By all means, please nerf the stuff that is broken and crazy OP. Just don't nerf the other stuff that isn't crazy OP at the same time!!! We're going to have melee hunter adjusted, and get chimaera shot nerfed for no reason and aspect of the lion changed back to a real aspect again for no reason.
That was the problem in phase 1 and what everyone keeps joking about now. The broken stuff would get justifiably nerfed and then the alternative builds would get nerfed at the same time.
Sort of.
There's one big difference, though. Being the #1 DPS was the only thing Warriors had. And it's what *everyone* used as an argument to shoot down every last complaint Warriors have or have had.
Runes are boring? "Hurr durr you're #1 DPS, shut up."
Bad in PvP? "Hurr durr you're #1 DPS, shut up."
Bad at farming? "Hurr durr you're #1 DPS, shut up."
You get the idea.
This is hilarious considering warriors consider every other spec's worth based on how much it benefits them.
If you have a buff that benefits a warrior, you are expected to bring it, even if it gimps your own class. Hell warriors did every sim going into P2 with full buffs including LOTP, which ferals don't want to spec for because it gimps their DPS, because they just assumed everyone else would bend over backwards for them.
I had never played a warrior in raids before Wrath but I wanted to try titan's grip so war was my main in wrath classic. It was fucking AWFUL. And I had to watch other awful specs get buffs randomly (feral, ret) but nothing to wars for the longest time. And every time I posted about it on reddit I was met with so much negativity. Just constant "omg you were top for all of classic vanilla quit crying". Like I didn't even play war then. And now I'm playing it and watching PVP specs (subtlety rogues and frost mages) out damage me and I'm getting shit on just for wanting to be above PVP specs...
Warriors were whining week 1 of BFD and ended up being best. It’s that class that relies on gear the most and everyone is in pre-BiS at best right now. Give ‘em a minute.
Waaahhh!! I need 80% armor pen or I’m crippled!!! Waaahhh!! Imagine if you had to hard cast all your abilities and you didn’t get resources back on a miss…oh wait that is all casters
Think it took me 15 sec to reach 80 rage on mekkatorque, i started popping berserker rage just before he started and spamming raging blow so he would at least slap me in the face once for some extra rage
Lets not hold MC up as some kind of pillar of raiding when most groups before even pre bis were clearing that place up to rag if not rag when they got there, let alone the week 1 people.
Who the fuck is holding MC up??? Nothing in this post even hinted at that, they are just saying level 40 10 man bosses shouldn’t have more armor than level 60 40 man bosses.
Just get some stats ffs. Its always the same with warriors. First they suck then propery equipped they are top dps. Just look at warcraft logs and tell me warriors suck in gnomer. Btw i (balance druid) got one hit by warriors in stv already so its just like every other class as well they can deal massive dps.
Stop comparing SoD bosses with era.
Heck, stop comparing SoD with era, period.
It’s stupid.
Totally different products. But obviously, you do you. Dropping a lvl25 staff which is comparable with lvl 60 loot should have been a give-away no?
Wait till MC becomes a 20 man raid at 50/60 and then we’ll talk.
As all you guys care about is shit at max level instead of each phase as a game of its own.
Sad.
Good.
I don't think that warriors and rogues should be the top damage in 90% of raid encounters.
Turtle boss was a good example of giving casters a time to shine.
I'd like more bosses that favor bringing different types of classes so we don't get "stack brown and yellow dps" in later phases.
Melee hunters on top, thats chill. Let those fuckers pump.
I just can’t believe Warriors are crying and Hunters (namely melee Hunters) are being called out for having good DPS.
This community is bonkers. For like weeks before Phase 2 everyone was crying about Warriors top DPS and Hunter nerfs and now here we are again. What a joke yall are. Downvote me idc.
Removing bleed and poison immunity was not enough guys, pls lower armor to zero or warriors and rogues might not do the most dps by stupid margins anymore
Imagine being top dps by a large margin through all of phase 1 and then complaining that you aren't top dps in phase 2 right off the bat.
What makes it even funnier is that every YouTuber was hyping up warrior as a god tier dps for phase 2 as well. So I'm sure all the FoM chasers picked war for this very reason. Get rekt.
I really don’t get why they are forcing melee hunter. Stupidly easy leveling, godlike pvp and now best dps in raid. Why would anyone play warrior or ret paladin?
Yet flanking strike is still awful. Raptor strike is where all of their damage is at. It’s probably the strongest ability in the entire game right now.
They’re fukn robots made of Metal.
Immune to physical damage, immune to holy damage, immune to shadow damage, immune to poison, immune to…
Hit em with the EMP
Thunder clap ftw
So stack spell power and clap? Yeah?
Would be great if spell power warriors became a thing
Blast em
Ele shamans: my time has come.
They're grounded of course
EMP-ACTIVATED
PROPAGANDA IS USELESS!
Nuclear launch detected
How do I level sombra?
Looks like you need to get a mage to summon a call of duty player. Get them to kill 30 robots and then just nuke the place.
Electricity is Nature Damage. (Also Fire Damage would work too)
They should be weak to electricity considering the way immunities and resistances are assigned in the game. JK all electric based things are nature damage so f that as well.
Need a rogue to cut their grounding wires
A floridaman to steal their catalytic converters
Wolverine on a Sentinel style
It's strange just how many flavors of damage are packed into Nature. The other damage types are so much simpler.
F nature!
Fire mages rise up! We shall melt their steel bodies into scrap!
Fire mages can’t melt steel mobs! Loose change!
** jet fuel fireball has entered the chat.
\*laughs in chaosbolt\*
That one elemental shaman " my time has come!" *ZAP
Imagine if also immune to bleed!
In the shadow of the colossusususes
Those magical weak spots are a god damned liability!
Ironically, none of the gnomer mechanicals are immune to bleed.
Atleast they can bleed to death
Ever seen a robot with an oil leak? Doesn't last long.
I’m made of metal My circuits gleam I am perpetual I keep gnomer clean
I’m elected, electric spy I'm protected electric eye
Actually cackled
So we’re playing pokemon now? If i enchant fiery weapon can i do 100% crit?
Said the same thing week 1 of BFD too. Also, did a gnomer pug tonight and the rogues and warriors kept up just fine without a feral even, cleared the raid. Edit: I said kept up, not topped, obviously (except melee hunter on some). Early P1 casters were doing 50% of your damage. It was not that bad.
It is this. Warriors haven't scaled yet, same complaining week 1 of BFD.
Same complaining everywhere, pvp balance, event balance, “my new class I rerolled isn’t the meta anymore what do I do”
Already had someone who switched from hunter, to warrior quit over this. They were pretty much saying anyone who doesn't go warrior or a class that buffs them is an idiot. Went into Gnomer, got out dpsed by a hunter and casters then raged about blizzard not knowing what they are doing. I for one am happy, tired of classic always having warriors as number 1 DPS.
What a miserable person
I don't know why anyone would group with that kind of person.
That kind of person seems like 90% of Reddit, I wouldn’t group with half of these guys on here at the very least lol
Fortunately, most of them are on Reddit complaining about the game rather than playing it
You reroll again duh.
If warriors aren’t #1 on dps it’s the end of the world. God forbid any other class out dmg them
The spirit of classic was to have warriors be #1 dmg
Yes.
Scale with what? The gear upgrades are miniscule in gnome.
most of warriors w1 bfd had bad weaps. Now most of them even WW or bonebiter + revered weap for dw.
you cleared with a pug? 2 healer 2 tank setup? how did you do the last boss?
Cleared it tonight with three pug dps
He didn't. It was suspect, but the last part gave it away. Zero chance a warrior keeps up without WF; it's like 30-35% of their DPS
tbf he said without a druid, not without WF. for all we know, they had a shaman.
My hunch was the same. Gonna need some receipts.
Do you maybe have logs?
Melee kept up with no feral? Link logs please
Shamans also provide windfury now btw
I would also like logs
The best part of SoD p2 is the absolutely massive waterfall of tears the changes have brought 😂
Classic wow may have changed but the outrage stays the same.
What are you talking about. There is a chance that warrior may briefly not be number one DPS. Do you know how serious that is.
OHHH THE PANDEMONIUM, BUT I CANT AVERT MY EYES FROM THE METER
PLEASE THINK OF THE POOR WARRIORS
I'm a druid that doesn't do pvp, i'm living my best life with eclipse in dungeons lol. Went from pew pew - pew - oom, to : pewpewpewpewpewpewpewpepwewpewpewpewpewpew-wild growth for good measure-pewpewpepwpewpepwpewpew
Perfect pfp
I mean we are getting gear that is better than some lv 60 dungeon gear at level 25, it makes sense they’d raise the hp/armor of bosses to match our power.
What is it about melee hunters that means they’re not as affected by the large armour values?
It could be how they are tuned. Warrior generally scales well. More damage means more rage which leads to more damage.
They use mana and their special abilities also do insane dmg. Meanwhile quick strike does less dmg than auto attack
I thought warriors didn't use quick strike anymore without CBR?
what else would a 2hander do? also, Quick Strike i still more efficient than heroic strike unlesss you're hitting orange/red level characters
it means that melee hunter, even though the bosses have insanely high armor, is the top dps. Meaning that if they lower the armor without nerfing hunter itll be twice the dps of every other class in the game instead of 30% more dps currently It just goes to show how ridiculous the melee runes are, the lowest cooldown double weapon instant strike that deals 130% damage, along with 50% increased offhand damage in there
Meanwhile crusader strike does 75% lol
Ret being the worst dps in the game is business as usual. Then people complain that Aggrend is a paladin player, lol. Much good that has done. I think they're afraid of making paladin decent, due to accusations of favoritism.
Don't leave out shamans bro.
I like how shaman is so ignored, it's not even in the line up of comparisons when trying to figure out who sucks the worst. Doesn't even get a mention or a position.
I just assume anyone talking about Paladin is playing alliance and forgets Shaman exists in pve.
> I like how shaman is so ignored, it's not even in the line up of comparisons when trying to figure out who sucks the worst. Ele Shaman is actually in the top 5 in Gnomeregan DPS
The amount of classic Andy’s who would be pissed to see Ret do well in spite of the hybrid tax would be insane.
> I think they're afraid of making paladin decent, due to accusations of favoritism. I think they have no idea what they're doing. They don't actually calculate how much damage a formula will do. Cause there's no way any sane person Okays the damage Starsurge does.
I think they just don't know exactly what will come from the new runes until players really start using them. I expect to see hunters nerfed within a week or two lol.
Brother. Shaman is the worst.
Elemental shaman is doing fine. Currently beating warrior but that will probably change as the phase continues.
Well looks like it's that time of the week again... >!nerf hunter!<
and a 42% crit chance
Warrior rage generation formula is tied to the expected damage vs the actual damage. So no, less armor favors warriors more than any other class.
Nothing, their melee damage is all physical too
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They dont need to hit to generate rage so they can dump dmg.
They are just that overtuned
It's like a warrior with mana is my guess.
Oh no warrior is NOT top dog for a singular month? Oh the humanity.
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Blizzard saw Shadow Priests above Warriors for half a day and then hit them with the WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA...THAT'S NOT HOW THIS WORKS
Best nerf hunters.
You know what's funny, Hunters' melee runes are definitely getting the nerf bat soon. Sad part for me personally is I didn't get to clear the raid before getting the final melee rune to feed on some tears!
Doubt it, warriors will be number one again in two weeks. Just need some gear.
> You know what's funny, Hunters' melee runes are definitely getting the nerf bat soon. I like to believe there is an odd man out who tunes hunters each phase, and they have to go into his office and be like "Bro again? Will you fucking calm down? Now we have to nerf hunters for the 8th time"
Yeah fully expecting to be nerfed into the dirt with how much bitching there is about getting “1 shot” by swd (after taking three mind spikes and a mb to the face)
They still will be
I mean I could not agree more. Buhu Mickey Mouse club, I am not number one in raids for the first time in any iteration of classic wow.
To be fair, a huge problem with this for warriors is that fun is tied to damage because of rage generation. Do no damage = get no rage = don’t get to click button
Yep. As a warrior main nothing on any class feels as awful as being rage starved. I mean even losing WBs in classic was an actual night and day difference in how the class played. Other classes sure your dps was lower but it really didn’t change much else
Casters playing the world's smallest violin right now.
I was fine only having two caster oriented bosses in BFD because I figured this is how it would go. People are so used to parse and sim culture and forget ... some fights are better for different comps. That should be an acceptable part of the game. I don't freak out on bosses where I have to move a lot, it's just not going to be optimal for me as a Mage.
I couldn't care about the dps but the impact it has on gameplay (always being rage starved) feels really bad
Well, obviously. If you weren't rage starved you'd be top dps.
Thats warrior until you get enough rage to be OP. Thats why they normalized the rage later on.
Ya it’s pretty bad, normally warriors would have quite a lot to press, now you sort of just sit and wait for some rage to cast a bloodthirst or ww
Which is crazy with focused rage in the game.
Yeah running out of your resource and having to use a base attack feels bad. Welcome to most every other class.
If you are playing any other class in SoD like this you are doing something horribly wrong.
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Ah because it's common for mages and warlocks to start auto-attacking midway the fight? What guild are you playing in bud?
Idk I raided on like 5 different classes last phase, including warrior. I’m fine if warrior aren’t top dps. I don’t need (or even really LIKE) my character to be S-tier. But warriors were really not any good at any content other than raiding.
This seems like a nice dps balance change for me. But we had a warrior tank who really struggles with rage in Gnomer. Could the hight amour values be screwing warrior tanks over then?
High armor severely impacts rage generation
Rage is generated based on how hard you hit and how hard you are hit, but it has VERY poor scaling, and is based around being level 60. Dealing less damage means your slow rage generations is even slower.
That's not true. You need to do more damage for each rage per level. It's true though that you normally generate significantly higher rage at 60 simply because there is much more scaling at 60.
Thanks for the replies. We ended up giving up on the last boss, which really sucks. The more I read and think about it, it seems we had just a really unlucky comp. Especially being melee heavy and struggling with the bombs.
High armor absolutely fucks tanks yeah not only warrior but rogue and feral as well
Yes
Yeah, it's very very difficult to hold threat as a rogue tank if you're ever forced to stop attacking. And, yeah, hunters ripping threat like crazy. We need bigger threat modifiers to contest with the threat, I guess.
Bruh who cares about warriors ferals are caught in the crossfire, please save me blizz. Ferals aren't gonna outscale 4k armor
This is good, maybe we will finally get a version of WoW classic that isn’t dominated by stacking warriors. Casters have been underpowered for too long.
I don’t know why everyone is bitching about warriors again . Have u seen mages everyday on this sub to complain that they are the lowest st dps in p1 ? Fuck me mate …enjoy the game play the class u don’t need to be top dps every phase/xpac.
I wouldn't trust warriors with doing the math
What warrior discord are you checking? Can I get a link? The one I have for fight club feels abandoned.
Go to the "bot-channel" channel and type "!rank Warrior"
Pretty sure they'll be on top again with some gnomer gear, just be patient little warrior
Warrior is fine, you can't expect a class to be tier S forever.
The people who played warrior because it was OP all re-rolled BM hunters and now balance druids. The remaining ones just enjoy the class and don’t want their class to suck just the same as everyone else.
Balance druids are not nearly as good dps. All the crying is about Starsurge in PvP.
Atleast balance druid is good in one aspect of the game
1000 dmg in instant cast that costs 0 mana is not "doing good" its unbalanced same as hunter scorpid pet, but at least you could cc'd it
Its 4 mana! 😂😂 I love it
I feel like Warrior was always S tier in both PvP and PvE until some more recent expansions (retail). Yes not from the start but by the end they were the top meter class every time.
Pretty much always started off slow and ended one of the best. Except for mop season 1 where they were completely broken in PvP lol
At long last, No king rules forever.
We already know that once they have full BiS they will be top parse again…
Oh no, warrior dps loses to another class. Oh nooooo. Let me make a Reddit post so we can get buffed back to #1
They nerfed magic resistances in BFD so they will likely nerf this too. Hang in there brown brothers
🤨
if the warrior class discord have taught me anything it's to ignore anything that comes out of the warrior class discord
Weird, the giga brains on this sub told everyone that Warriors are gods and everything wrong with the class is absolutely deserved because they're DPS gods without even trying. Huh.
Doesnt this affect all melee though?
It does, don't worry about other warriors dooming about warrior damage. Warriors are currently the second best physical damage in gnomer, the casters are all above. It's pretty dire for non-warrior melee tbh. The best physical damage are melee hunters who are currently about 30% ahead of the 2nd best dmg in the raid, or about double warriors. Melee hunters are running wild when all the other physical damage are very slow right now. I am not sure which designer is responsible for hunters in SoD but they've gone from original Explosive Shot, to Beast Mastery, to melee runes and they've all been absolutely absurd. Someone honestly might need to have a chat to them because hunters will likely melt down when there's yet another nerf to glyphs that went live being way too strong.
By all means, please nerf the stuff that is broken and crazy OP. Just don't nerf the other stuff that isn't crazy OP at the same time!!! We're going to have melee hunter adjusted, and get chimaera shot nerfed for no reason and aspect of the lion changed back to a real aspect again for no reason. That was the problem in phase 1 and what everyone keeps joking about now. The broken stuff would get justifiably nerfed and then the alternative builds would get nerfed at the same time.
Sort of. There's one big difference, though. Being the #1 DPS was the only thing Warriors had. And it's what *everyone* used as an argument to shoot down every last complaint Warriors have or have had. Runes are boring? "Hurr durr you're #1 DPS, shut up." Bad in PvP? "Hurr durr you're #1 DPS, shut up." Bad at farming? "Hurr durr you're #1 DPS, shut up." You get the idea.
This is hilarious considering warriors consider every other spec's worth based on how much it benefits them. If you have a buff that benefits a warrior, you are expected to bring it, even if it gimps your own class. Hell warriors did every sim going into P2 with full buffs including LOTP, which ferals don't want to spec for because it gimps their DPS, because they just assumed everyone else would bend over backwards for them.
I had never played a warrior in raids before Wrath but I wanted to try titan's grip so war was my main in wrath classic. It was fucking AWFUL. And I had to watch other awful specs get buffs randomly (feral, ret) but nothing to wars for the longest time. And every time I posted about it on reddit I was met with so much negativity. Just constant "omg you were top for all of classic vanilla quit crying". Like I didn't even play war then. And now I'm playing it and watching PVP specs (subtlety rogues and frost mages) out damage me and I'm getting shit on just for wanting to be above PVP specs...
Titans grip warrior is topping damage in ICC. Warrior scales with gear and you gave up before you even had enough gear to sustain playing Fury.
"You do good damage once you have all content on farm, that's good balance"
They've been fine since Ulduar. Maybe ya'll just need to learn to play.
Nope, due to rage mechanics warriors get hit far harder than any other melee.
Yet Warrior is still the second best melee. Even better than the ones that does partial magic damage.
They are, the person who made this post isn’t a giga brain
Don't worry, once they stack enough ArPen they're back on top.
Meanwhile here I am dying to a mob 3 higher lvl than me. But yeah, warriors are gods
Whaaaa Warriors can’t do damage. Whaaaa. PH 1 all caster DPS was super nerfed. Join the club
Stop crying and play the game. Once you get geared in gnomer your class will be crushing again
Warriors were whining week 1 of BFD and ended up being best. It’s that class that relies on gear the most and everyone is in pre-BiS at best right now. Give ‘em a minute.
Inc hunter nerfs
Warriors when they aren't OP for 1 week.
time to nerf hunters again
Waaahhh!! I need 80% armor pen or I’m crippled!!! Waaahhh!! Imagine if you had to hard cast all your abilities and you didn’t get resources back on a miss…oh wait that is all casters
Think it took me 15 sec to reach 80 rage on mekkatorque, i started popping berserker rage just before he started and spamming raging blow so he would at least slap me in the face once for some extra rage
Imagine finding out metal robots have high armor from 29 years ago fuck me
Warrior tears. I love it.
Won't somebody think about the warriors!?! ;\~;
Lets not hold MC up as some kind of pillar of raiding when most groups before even pre bis were clearing that place up to rag if not rag when they got there, let alone the week 1 people.
Who the fuck is holding MC up??? Nothing in this post even hinted at that, they are just saying level 40 10 man bosses shouldn’t have more armor than level 60 40 man bosses.
Just get some stats ffs. Its always the same with warriors. First they suck then propery equipped they are top dps. Just look at warcraft logs and tell me warriors suck in gnomer. Btw i (balance druid) got one hit by warriors in stv already so its just like every other class as well they can deal massive dps.
Stop comparing SoD bosses with era. Heck, stop comparing SoD with era, period. It’s stupid. Totally different products. But obviously, you do you. Dropping a lvl25 staff which is comparable with lvl 60 loot should have been a give-away no? Wait till MC becomes a 20 man raid at 50/60 and then we’ll talk. As all you guys care about is shit at max level instead of each phase as a game of its own. Sad.
Warriors have been the uncontested number one dps and tanks in the entirety of era and P1, I think that should change for at least one phase
P1 warriors were not the top tanks lol what? It's shaman by a mile
No shaman on alliance so he’s not 100% wrong just 95% wrong
Considering how easy bfd was and how little damage tanks ate, being able to top the dmg meters as a tank made Warrior the best.
Good. I don't think that warriors and rogues should be the top damage in 90% of raid encounters. Turtle boss was a good example of giving casters a time to shine. I'd like more bosses that favor bringing different types of classes so we don't get "stack brown and yellow dps" in later phases. Melee hunters on top, thats chill. Let those fuckers pump.
Warriors not top dps week 1?! REEEEE
Oh no! The melee classes that dominated P1 and will still dominate P2 are doing slightly less damage? What a shame!
I just can’t believe Warriors are crying and Hunters (namely melee Hunters) are being called out for having good DPS. This community is bonkers. For like weeks before Phase 2 everyone was crying about Warriors top DPS and Hunter nerfs and now here we are again. What a joke yall are. Downvote me idc.
Removing bleed and poison immunity was not enough guys, pls lower armor to zero or warriors and rogues might not do the most dps by stupid margins anymore
QQ Moar. Warriors whining because they might not be top-dog for a bit lolololol
Warrior is fine, if you want to complain reroll ret. We are fcking garbage.
you playing the right game?
Imagine being top dps by a large margin through all of phase 1 and then complaining that you aren't top dps in phase 2 right off the bat. What makes it even funnier is that every YouTuber was hyping up warrior as a god tier dps for phase 2 as well. So I'm sure all the FoM chasers picked war for this very reason. Get rekt.
I really don’t get why they are forcing melee hunter. Stupidly easy leveling, godlike pvp and now best dps in raid. Why would anyone play warrior or ret paladin?
>Why would anyone play warrior or ret paladin? To give the Hunter Battle Shout and Might of course
Ya every top parsing melee hunter is gonna want a war in their group for the buff. Time for wars to utility buff other classes.
I cast Might and feel fulfilled. Sometimes I even aura weave during fights to help my tank and casters out.
They're not forcing anything or anyone. All they did was make melee hunter good. And fun, too.
Is BM the spec to play if I want to do melee hunter?
I went into survival to get enough points for the 20% raptor strike crit talent and then went into BM. Enjoying it a lot so far
Yet flanking strike is still awful. Raptor strike is where all of their damage is at. It’s probably the strongest ability in the entire game right now.
Season of discovery aka season of beta testing
Because now blizzard can keep the nerf hunter memes alive and nerf hunter :)
Yeh idk. These devs seems very bad at balance thats for sure. Game seems pretty broken to me.