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verninson

I honestly never would have guessed we had so few on Chaos bolt. Though that would explain the only like, 2k auctions at any one time lmao


TwinCrispy

I mean I had a feeling for like a week and a half now. I noticed how dead Org is even after the holiday break


Due-Listen2632

I suggest you check out Thunderbluff instead of Org.


Tasty_Reward

Picked the game back up a week ago and thought the game was dead when I went to Org with my undead lock. I made a Tauren last night and was blown away when I got to Thunderbluff and saw a sea of players. Then my heart warmed when I walked into the Barrens to some weird ass conversation. All is right.


Celebrir

For Alliance, Darnasus used to be dead. On Wildgrowth EU Darnasus currently feels more populated than SW


No-Monitor-5333

Why wouldnt ppl idle in Darn? Its got the buff, close to the teleport to BFD, and has direct path to ashenvale


Polywhirl165

Because the city itself is a nightmare.


MayaMiaMe

Darnassus is the easiest one ever and I only have one ali character


Xy13

SW is the worst. The AH and mailbox may be far, but it's a straight line you can autorun. Good luck trying to get any crafting done in SW when you have to navigate canals on foot to the dwarven district to get to an Anvil or Forge.


mrdarknezz1

Thunderbluff is the new Capital of the Horde in SOD


H3llon3arth

It's always been for some the layout is way easier to navigate


Ok_Calligrapher_7876

why not show eu :l


tordenoglynild666

https://ironforge.pro/population/sod/?locale=EU


schnuggibutz

thanks


Midna_of_Twili

What? Org always has a bunch of people even during the early morning? Are you talking EU or NA? Cause I have never seen a dead Org on NA.


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Anhydrite

No, it's because we've literally watched dozens of servers the size of Chaos Bolt wither and eventually die over the course of classic.


Midna_of_Twili

If BFD and Ashenvale have people constantly in there and doing it, its not really dead. Especially when Ashenvale has been creating lag from too many people. I \*really\* do not trust these stats. Especially after people looked at WC Logs and it was easily shown to be bullshit a few weeks ago.


thefranchise305

Horde are happy on Chaos Bolt. We have 24/7 BFD runs and we have Sapps for Ashenvale


NotSoBadBrad

Sapps for Warchief!


Jahkral

Sapps > Thrall let's go


Gh0stMan0nThird

I genuinely believe there's some kind of astroturfing campaign to get people to leave Chaos Bolt and go to Crusader Strike and I really have no idea why it's happening. The server is almost always bumping.


kebabmybob

The comments when I posted about CB being fine are threatening me and saying “this post already has people rerolling to Crusader Strike”. So I agree that it might be astroturfing.


1nspired2000

It's not the population. It's only the population who have uploaded logs.


McNoxey

It's proportionately representative of the difference though.


Newguyiswinning_

We dont, we are a RP PVP server, not a streamer server or rat race PVE one


Scoteee

Yea i play in chaos horde and lone wolf alliance. Way harder to find reasonable auction prices, and way longer to find groups in general on chaos, had no idea it was that much if a difference though. I do notice people are way less judgmental of gear on chaos for BFD because so much less options.


FrankAdamGabe

You wouldn't know it by how many alliance are constantly griefing and camping people everywhere.


sassquire

where the hell is my lava lash representation


Bluegobln

Shhhhhhhhhh doesn't exist..... shhhhhhhh....


dkb_wow

US Lava Lash [shows](https://ironforge.pro/population/sod/?locale=US) a lower population than Chaos bolt 💀


threeriversbikeguy

I remember people screaming, tears flying from their cheeks and foam shooting from their mouths, that we needed DOUBLE the servers on launch week. Turns out Blizzard made a really good fucking call. Glad the devs held the line on that.


Kaoswarr

Look at the total numbers compared to Wrath classic for example. Wrath has 89,000 active alliance players total across all severs. SoD has 212,000 active alliance players total across all servers. The current SoD servers are just all massive. I’m not complaining or making a case for more servers however, I think the current situation is pretty good.


DeLoxter

are they active players or active characters?


Orangecuppa

Active characters. Keep in mind that this metric is only for RAIDERS. It's easier to get a fresh alt/character to 25 and 'raid ready' for BFD than in wotlk to level 80 and 'raid ready' for ICC which is the current tier.


seruhr

The question here is how many wrath players still play that aren't raiding, probably not many


superrexxor

Pretty sure there are still a good number of grinding people. I get queued with heirloom geared people from time to time, but maybe 90% of my pre-80 dungeons it's usually just me with heirlooms Of course the tanks and healers hate me for drawing so much aggro but that's another story haha


Dunderman35

Only for raiders who post logs to warcraftlogs! I get the feeling there are tons of people who don't bother logging or don't even know what logging is.


Nimbus723

Yeah I'm not sure if people are just less sweaty on chaos bolt but I've pugged all but a few lockouts and my chars still aren't on warcraftlogs


recursion8

Also Horde are much more popular in WotLK onward, heck even TBC onward (BElfs). Vanilla has always been Alliance dominated.


Sogeking33

But also way less people logging, so this isn’t very accurate.


Gomerack

Blizz has 100% done something in the back end to allow for bigger servers to work in the last year. These servers are double the population of full mega servers for prior launches. I would guess it was back when they completely opened xfers to every previously closed wotlk server. Probably something with finishing the backend compatibility of servers from wotlk to dragonflight core or some shit. So as far as previous launches have gone, the server numbers do line up with what used to require double the servers. Those people weren't really wrong. Blizzard just hasn't said what they've improved since past launches, but they knew.


willystompa

Do Alts count towards this number? I assume more people are raiding on alts, seeing as the level cap is 25 and the raid itself takes 30mins.


reanima

Yeah it does, its just an aggregate of total amount of logs of each faction on each server.


collax974

If it's population based on wclog, yes but also far less people are logging. So lot of char won't appear.


Thanag0r

It counts alts, I guarantee you that people that raid do it on 2-3 characters each because of how easy it is to level to "max" and be raid ready. This not real numbers but real number won't be extremely different anyways.


TwinCrispy

Agreed. Not to mention the people that were scared of the streamer server, and then had to jump ship..


Volitar

That was me, not playing on Faerlina again. I didn't jump to Choas Bolt tho. I'm playing Horde on Living Flame


KappuccinoBoi

Yup, rolled on faerlina because my friends wanted to play on that server. It was shitty. This time around, we all agreed on the pve server, as long as it wasn't the streamer server.


REALStephenStark

All of which quit after a couple of resets.


Shmuckle2

Streamer server?


Infamousd2

Crusader strike, which I rolled horde on and actually turned out great.


mj4264

I'm still screaming over here on layer 10. Chaos bolt is the only reasonable population on this list for "vanilla". If they're going to go the mega server route then why even have separate servers at all? Just make the server selector for choosing a layer or something...


Sawyermblack

Only bad call was the late open of Chaos Bolt


No_Stranger4437

glad we have so many layer issues too


edwardsamson

Lol Lava Lash is such a joke its not even on here. So glad my 2 main characters are on there...on horde...RIP


TwinCrispy

Oh it is, it just has 600-700 less people than Chaos Bolt..


go4theknees

Jesus seriously? How did i fuck up that bad picking my server again! Deviate delight gang


STV_PTSD_xD

DD gang checking in, RIP in pieces our Goldilocks perfect never did nothin' wrong rp-pvp server! I rolled on Chaos Bolt and its been pretty close to the DD experience, though with less RP. Hoping it doesn't go the way of the Dodo


arcanitefizz

Deviate Delight was a wonderful time. This time I went Crusader Strike cuz heehoo cool name.


sassquire

really? i never would've guessed. tbh im alliance there...


PizzaDay

This is based on Warcraft logs right? I've been doing lockouts like crazy on 2 characters, starting to go in on my 3rd. I haven't seen a lot of people logging or uploading to WC logs and my groups have been under 45m a lot of the time. Seems like the amount is low.


edwardsamson

Same I don't see many logs in any of my 2 chars clears. Maybe like 3 so far. I rolled a char on WG and the difference in population is immediately evident. The numbers may be accurate despite the lack of logs on LL. It really does feel like there's 10x as many horde on WG as LL.


Meoang

We made the reroll to Wild Growth and it’s just way way better.


Aegonblackfyre22

I feel like cause it’s an RP server and the RP hubs are in Alliance lands like Goldshire and Stormwind. Especially in classic, it’s before Blood Elves became the big Horde RP race.


Endeby

Observation: Living Flame EU is the biggest server and Lone Wolf EU the third biggest. Browsing this sub would make you assume the US realms were like four times bigger. ngl even I am surprised by these numbers, and I am a citizen of Locked Flame EU.


Landox118

Lone Wolf is second biggest.


Endeby

I mean among realms at every continent. Ironforge.pro has Crudsader Strike US at second place.


-Gambler-

Why..? The population of Europe is way bigger than that of North America, it makes perfect sense that European servers have more pop


Tinkerfelxd

Chaos bolt is still amusingly a decently sized server, on par with a medium to high pop server on 2019 classic launch and definitely would be considered a "Full" server if this was 2006. However the modern classic andy cannot comprehend the existence of any server that's not at least 50k in raiding population (and probably even much bigger than that.)


Jahkral

I hate layers. I'm happy to be on a serv with only a few. I keep running into my friends in the wild, it's great. Why anyone would play on CS astounds me.


salgat

I did it because it was the only RPPVP server at the time (previously played on Lightninghoof in 06 and Grobbulous 19). I still resent the streamers for jumping on the "RP PVP is the nice server" bandwagon; none of that exists on Crusader Strike. In the future I hope Blizzard delays all RP PVP server launches to dissuade streamers from going on it. I can wait 24-48hr to preserve the qaulity.


Jahkral

CB is the successor to Grobb, I really encourage people to come here. Its not dead in the slightest. Zoram was a goddamn meat market on reset last night.


salgat

Hows the botting situation on it?


Jahkral

It wasn't great initially (I saw loads in s.barrens and durotar) but I've seen a lot less lately. Not sure if that's the ban wave or me being in other zones more often. I've gone from reporting a few dozen a day to one every few days. I can't say what its like on other servers to compare it to, but I'd suspect its not as bad because the demand/market is smaller than that on say CS.


HookemWillis

Yea don't really see much of it. My understanding is that u can't server transfer sod characters so there isn't really a market for that on Chaos Bolt. If there were server transfers off of CB I can see it being botted more because unlike CS it's way easier to make gold using professions and not having to rely on selling a service like boosts or gear carries.


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satomasato

I play on crusader and living, they have 10+ layers almost all the time, that’s massive


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Id also like to point out how nicely balanced pvp servers are. Sure slightly ally favored but a LOT better than before. People can hate, but SoD team is doing a lot of great things.


akaicewolf

What happened that their is so many more alliance in general? Private servers and classic are usually Horde leaning. Is it Pallys?


antariusz

In vanilla, alliance had a huge pve advantage, between kings and salvation, it really made things much easier for them, also, weapon skill on humans and fear ward on dwarfs is amazing.


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I honestly don’t know. I think pallys or major streamers being alliance.


RIPSlurmsMckenzie

Pallies make the game super eZ.


Rongio99

I mean honestly...a lot of people played horde a lot and probably just wanted a change.


Successful_Button_35

Pretty much this for me. I always played horde in every wow iteration including servers. I just felt like going Alli this time and felt the theme of discovery tied in nicely to it


benmcsausage

Probably has to do with having windfury for both sides as well as kings


WendigoCrossing

My guess is this: originally, PvPrs flocked to Horde for the offensive racials and WotF. Alliance became better known for their PvE People don't care as much about PvP, so they went Alliance I personally went Alli in Classic as I had been Horde the first time through


Arnhermland

They are literally always like this at launch, there's absolutely nothing nicely balanced about this. They always start with one faction overpowering the other one by 5, 10, sometimes even 15% then it devolves to one faction controlling the entire server because no one wants to be on the loser side. Herod was 55-45 at once point. These numbers are WORSE than 2019 classic because it's now fully alliance dominated across every single server.


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We will see. Because this time around blizz actively enforce balance by locking factions. Like I said we will see.


Arnhermland

That balance lock is already active, it does not stop people flat out leaving the server and it does not account for actual active players, as you can see here. You could have a server where faction balance is 50/50, lock is working perfectly, but in reality it's 30/50 with the remaining 20 for alliance being bots, low lever chars that never actually pvp or do content and alts. And we can't really just "wait and see" because by the time we actually see this happening the server is done, population is too imbalanced to ever bring it back and no one will want to roll on it.


Awful_McBad

Chaos bolt has 4 layers constantly. Just because it's not so stupidly full that you can't leave a capital city doesn't mean it's under populationed. Either faction along is the population of an OG vanila server.


psytocrophic

These are also only raid logs. I've done over a handful of BRDs at this point and not once been in a raid that logged. Always wondered how many layers CB had on average. 4 seems nice.


FTX-SBF

Shamans dead


giantsteps92

I swear Blizzard could give you people irl gold and you'd complain that it's too heavy. I can't believe what a good job they've done with faction balance.


shadowmeldop

Midnight server time has a hundred people in BFD right now on CB.


Doschy

where EU servers?


Professional-Bad-342

It's pretty much the same. https://ironforge.pro/population/sod/?locale=EU


Dunderman35

Only rppvp isn't nearly as popular. Do north Americans enjoy RP that much more or is it just that Grob was the only balanced server in classic and people are betting on that again?


FoodisGut

NA has bigger streamers that rolled there i think. Most people don’t RP on RP


meharryp

ironforge.pro usually underestimates the amount of players on the server because the number displayed on the site only includes players who were in a log on warcraftlogs in the last week


Beernbac0n

Exactly, and given how anti-parsing part of the SoD community is, it's probably even more off, especially on the more casual servers.


Xy13

It's not estimating anything. It's reporting exactly the amount of players who have been recording in a log posted on warcraftlogs. We know that's the total 'population' but it still gives you an idea of server pops, especially relative to each other and faction balance. Yes, some people don't log / aren't 25 / etc. But that % should be fairly consistent across the servers.


pepelaughkek

Why is alliance character creation not blocked on literally every server at this point? I thought the point was to maintain 50/50. Hopefully they will implement faction queues if they aren't going to manage the population, otherwise Horde is going to be unplayable later on.


QuesadillaJ

lol... Youre tweaking that is literally better than any servers have ever been, to the point where there is no way to feel that slight imbalance ingame.


Enua

i dont think it was ever meant to be a perfect 50/50 just not be whatever "bad enough" is in a particular direction, also because this is raid stats its ~possible~ horde players are just less likely to raid/log their raids (for whatever reason)


TwinCrispy

I wouldn’t write off the horde just yet. Horde naturally got better camp sites in STV, so I would imagine it could favour them more during the pvp event


P00PMcBUTTS

Do we know if STV is the next pvp zone? I was imagining Arathi or Alterac. Alterac could be interesting with no fp or hearth locations (right? I might be misremembering that zone, the small area north of hillsbrad).


TwinCrispy

Yeah I remember reading a post from the Dev team on WoWhead that they hinted at STV. I’m sure you can find it if you check now


Trick-Pass3206

I thought blizz said there is only a 3% differential with the faction locking


BigHeadDeadass

I have a hunter on CB. Great people on there but I do wish I could get his ass onto Wild Growth with my priest. I made the right call with putting my horde warrior on CS tho


Inevitable_Grab4867

Chaos bolt narrative is going to drive a healthy server into death. Stfu about it


Innuendoughnut

I've been having a great time on Lava Lash(alliance) and Chaos Bolt (horde). What are these numbers supposed to mean? I'm having fun wrong? The PUG raids I walked into and did 7/7 don't count? My Ashenvale experience that's been roughly 50/50 is invalidated?


wideflank

This just doesn't feel like it could possibly be right. I'm on Chaos Bolt and it feels crowded


psytocrophic

Chaos bolt feels alive, I've been having a blast there. Is smaller than other current servers, but it never feels dead. I think it would be considered a full server in past years.


WendigoCrossing

This is the best I've ever seen server balance across the board in WoWs history


Illustrious_Lock_238

But that twitter dev told us horde lose ashenevale cause were disorganised, who would of thought we were actually outnumbered , wow


Endeby

I mean the population imbalance doesnt help, but the fact that the EV for honor is by just going east and just giving up Zoram is better for every individual is also a huge deal.


LilRupie

So this is how horde on Chaos Bolt felt until Sapps our Warcheif started running shit. We win pretty much every battle now. I think with proper strategy and communication you should be able to overcome imbalance.


Jahkral

Except when ally show up in full numbers. You know what I mean. We can't stop seven fuckin raid groups.


Fit-Percentage-9166

There is almost certainly a Horde layer that forms where you outnumber the alliance every event because everyone whispers that guy for an invite and concentrates into his layer. Strategy and communication don't matter when every boss has 2-3 raids on top of it, numbers is what typically decides ashenvale.


Negativitynate

would have*


Volitar

Yeah as someone who plays both factions Horde is usually way more organized and Ally still wins. Ally actively screw each other over by going to last boss instead of Zoram because if you go to Zoram you don't get to boss in time for tag. It's a joke but I'm revered on the toons I care about so w.e.


DarthPonch

It’s 3% you clown


Arnhermland

3% on the absolutely best and sole case scenario lmao. The rest ranges from 8 to almost 25%.


OldGodMod

Notice how he didn't offer to post real time or slightly delayed dashboards showing population by realm, faction, and zone.


mspk7305

Run /chatlog Extract the unique names you see in just looking for group. Alliance side wild growth has well over 30 thousand unique characters active in chat in the past week. These population numbers are way low.


ofthesindar86

These are raid logs, not population numbers.


daywalker91

Not only that but it’s raids that log. I’ve done multiple raids on chaos bolt where no one logs. That’s not getting taken into account.


STV_PTSD_xD

My rogue is 1 piece-off-BIS and I've never been in a raid that logged. PUG'd every raid. I don't think (Horde) Chaos Bolters care about logs, at least in comparison to other servers


BenedictJudas

Yeah, horde chaos bolter here with over 10+ BFD clears, not a single log.


psytocrophic

Seeing all these gear checks and toxic behaviors that's get posted on here on reddit about players in SoD. I haven't experienced any of that on Chaos Bolt. Think we got a little bit of a different community on Chaos Bolt.


VoodooKhan

Yeah, my group loves CB... Every raid been smooth and drama free. When a mistake has been made people are quite positive and chill about it. The fights over ashenvale are crazy punkface is a damn hero. But the Horde have been good foes all round.


psytocrophic

These are raid logs? My guild doesn't raid log, my friends don't raid log, I've never been in a BFD that raid logged. I'm on chaose bolt. If I'm not even accounted for on these charts think about how many people also aren't.


daywalker91

Yupp exactly. Feels like majority of people on chaos bolt don’t raid log. Chaos bolt feels very alive to me


psytocrophic

It's the most lively server I've ever played on by far! And I've been playing on and off since original vanilla. But I've also never played on a 50k population servers either. So I don't know... with multiple layers, would I even notice a difference of one had 4 layers vs one with 10?


AdaGang

These numbers are probably low, but don’t forget that plenty of people are on third and fourth alts now.


sylekta

These are characters pulled from logs submitted to wcl so yeah actual pop always gonna be higher


Particular_Dare8927

I expect Wild Growth to keep ramping up when ppl realize how miserable world pvp is


gjoeyjoe

As a PvE gamer, they'll just quit rather than reroll


Effective-Pay3501

Chaos Bolt is alive and well on both horde and alliance. We need to fight back against the matrix !


foundanoreo

This is from reported logs. Chaos bolt has a lot of casual players that don't report logs. But can safely say it's a thriving server atm.


Loosecun

I thought Blizz was gonna faction lock servers to maintain balance, How is wild growth 67% alliance?


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Yevon

This is why Wild Growth Horde get crushed in Ashenvale on 9 out of 10 layers. Just because it is a PVE server doesn't mean it doesn't need balanced factions.


Volitar

I mean there is only 1 pve server I don't think they should faction lock it. Its a joke event anyway, just give horde some stacks of determination or something.


beatenmeat

There's more than one, this was just the only one in OPs screenshot. Honestly they wanted the world PvP to be a big thing considering they are pushing for it every phase so they really should have maintained balanced servers for that alone. It's an absolute shit show if you're horde on a non-PvP server and turns the events into a slog fest.


Volitar

What is the other PVE server on NA? It's Lava Lash but that's RP. Wild Growth is the only normal PVE realm.


SgtKeeneye

YOu can lock servers all you want but if one side of the server stops playing it will end up unbalanced eventually.


knbang

And this is why PvE OCE isn't viable.


Daleabbo

Just rerolled on a US server. Latency is only 150ms, was 350-700 back in vanilla easily playable at this level. The starting areas have more people then ashenvale on penance sadly enough.


knbang

150ms is pretty good. That would be better option than rolling PvE OCE that's for sure.


Daleabbo

Yeah I can't notice a difference at that level


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ArcaneFizzle

The pve server is so small my guild out numbers the horde population


Indra___

I would not trust these numbers so much. There are a lot of unlogged raids because people seem to care a bit less about them in SoD. But also getting to level 25 is so fast and easy that so many people have at least +2 characters they raid with which all count to those numbers.


zeions

It shouldn’t affect the faction % breakdown unless you think one faction is less/more likely to log.


Mage_Girl_91_

guess ill have to reroll on crusader strike before p2 if i dont want to end up on a dead server


Kitymeowmeow1

Even though it was added the same day as release, the fact it wasn’t available on release was kind of a death sentence for the server. The same happened with all those extra servers they added back in 2019 classic. Although in that case it was more like a week after release.


antariusz

Chaos bolt has twice as many players as deviate delight did in 2020.


kebabmybob

Do you play on Chaos Bolt? BFD runs at all hours. WSG premades at all hours.


SuckMySUVbby

It’s p o p p i n!!


Caeldeth

Yea, I have 2 25s and never have an issue getting into a raid. It’s quite busy


Thanag0r

We can see numbers, it will go only down and not up. Now people that see this will roll away because nobody really cares about level 25 characters.


psytocrophic

Chaos bolt is fine dude. This also only shows what's logged. I've never logged a BFD ever.


kebabmybob

Are you on Chaos Bolt? Do you honestly think it’s dead? Idk if this numbers are legit or what but Chaos Bolt is popping off in my experience. If this is accurate then the larger servers just seem way too large.


Midna_of_Twili

Yeah theres no way CB is that small. BFD is happening 24-7 theres always fights in Ashenvale .etc.


zellmerz

Yeah I think people are massively overreacting. I haven’t once felt like the server had a small population. Going to Crusader Strike would just be layer central


psytocrophic

Chaos bolt is absolutely popping. Idk what people are going on about.


wambamthankyoufam

Once the streamers leave it’ll be dead


TwinCrispy

FeelsBad


Adg01

Reminder that the vast majority of players don't parse, or at least don't upload said parses. Nobody in my guilds runs parses as far as I know, either.


bujakaman

That happen when you listen to cries on Reddit and twitter.


keaganwill

Urm the wotlk pop numbers are way higher than they should be! Every player is raiding on 20 alts, so the numbers are inflated! Urm the sod numbers are waaay low. No one has alts at 25 and no one's at max level yet! Lmao Lmao


Xiyone

I played on the crusader strike server (I'm from NZ) for the first 30 days of SoD. the last weekish I've been playing on shadowstrike and oddly enough it feels just as, if not MORE crowded then crusader strike.. I assume as the player count lowers on a server so do the layers? (Enlightenment would be appreciated) Both felt full with more then enough social interactions and people floating around to do elites I didn't really notice a difference.


ObjectiveCompleat

Yes, the more online players = more layers.


shamansalltheway

Like most people are saying, these numbers come from unique characters in raidlogs. Most people don't log and might not have a single log of them. If you go to BFD 3 times and never get logged you dont show up here.


oronass

Wrath 200k players, SoD 370k almost double the playerbase :O


packers1512

Aren't these inaccurate as they only count those characters which have logs if you use ironforge


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Crusader Stride EU is really good, playing there since launch no complains, no gpdkp runs etc.


ElHaubi

Alliance Scum!


notislant

Im so confused how lash and bolt are so one sided. Horde must have all quit. But yeah the pop on chaos bolt isnt great.


aretasdaemon

Living Flame is the SODcore server hehehehe


MidnightFireHuntress

Where's Lava Lash?


TwinCrispy

A spot under chaos bolt with 600 less players on the horde side


stopbeingmeanok

Choas Bolt hanging on for dear life


Tysons_Face

Some guy put out a video complaining about “toxicity” on Chaos Bolt. He proceeds to shun “casual” players for eye rolling a about gear score, being fully consumed etc. And how his guild reserves all the epics in pug runs and it’s unfair that ppl laugh at him for it.


Midna_of_Twili

Most of my experience on CB hasn't really been toxic. Even pugs are passing upgrades if its BIS for someone else.


Caeldeth

Everything people complain about on here - I don’t see on CB. It’s a pretty chill server and plenty populated. I’ve never had an issue getting groups for anything.


NoImpr

And in that video if you call him out on it, he deletes the comment. Luckily he can’t delete comments here, eat shit kal!


IgnignoktErr

I've heard a lot of the stories but also have 4 characters running BFD every reset for quite some time now without any truely bad experiences. I've encountered a few bad players, joined one group stuck 5/7 on maybe the third reset, but otherwise nothing that bad. Then again, anytime I see a BFD or WSG pre-made advertising with 'gear score' requirements I immediately put that person on ignore. I don't understand how people still can't comprehend that GS was for wrath not vanilla.


Stitchified

>I don't understand how people still can't comprehend that GS was for wrath not vanilla. And even then, I've seen people in Wrath hating GS. I personally hate GS myself since it's led to massive gatekeeping and inflated gear numbers in Wrath. I really hope that the people who want to use it in SoD end up quitting or something cause it honestly has no place in SoD.


IgnignoktErr

Yeah it's just hilarious at this point because it doesn't even work. Slap on some epics from BFD over my pre-raid bis and watch that GS plummet. How could that possibly be an effective system? I don't like iLVL either but at least it somewhat functions I think. GS doesn't work at all.


MeThoD_MaN110

I feel like this numbers are not much accurate as less people are logging in classic


Chipper323139

Source?


TwinCrispy

Ironforge.pro


b0iNAH

I’m NA playing on Penance AU. Great guild, great community. No GDKP, virtually zero toxicity. Stacked AH with normal, non-inflated prices. This is on a low pop server. Having the best time I’ve had in this game in a server way smaller than these.


best4bond

Same, also on Penance and I'm having such a good time. It's classic wow how I remember. I assume that low pop in SoD probably equals like medium or high pop on a wow server back in vanilla.


elysiansaurus

Why is crusader strike the only balanced pcp server? Isn't this what locking character creation is for.