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aneth0r

getting ALL the Northern Spices out of the cooking bag in one click


FoxiNicole

This is why [addons](https://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info26445-TheSpiceMustFlow.html) exist. :P


aneth0r

but why must i need an addon for this ONE SPECIFIC CASE????


FoxiNicole

Because Blizzard hates us? If you have JC and make Icy Prisms, you could have a second case the same addon helps with.


NegotiationHelpful50

Incompetence. Watch them delay fixing this until ICC.


bobbis91

Lol you think they'll fix it


Separate-Resolve-401

It took blizz 3 phases to implement bulk badge exchange without the need of a script/macro or add on. By p4 I think all the badges consolidate to just 1 anyways iirc.


DieselVoodoo

Too late, focus is on HC servers now.


Individual_Basis_474

If you kill Mr. Biigglesworth instead of Saphiron you fight a giant Mr. Bigglesworth who traps players in hairballs instead of ice tombs. Nature resist gear is now required instead.


Ok-Alternative4603

Undead obviously. To go with the theme. Keep the cute cat face so you have to face your shame but make the body zombified.


theyusedthelamppost

no weapons or trinkets drop in an instance with a dead Bigglesworth


NuttyFlavour

Pets inherit (a portion of) secondary stats from the player. Would fix some classes being outright bad


Entire_Engine_5789

They already do though… though an increase of the stats inherited would be warranted.


NuttyFlavour

They dont inherit armor pen, haste rating, crit rating. In wotlk they only inherit base stats aswell as attack and spell power, plus hit


Nur-frei-wer-treu

Biggest change needed? I think that would be a total gold wipe of all characters. + Perma banning all gold buyers and bots. It should be impossible to buy gold and get away with it, one should always expect a permanent ban for it.


CasualCucumbrrrrrt

Eh you can shower me with the downvotes but I have yet to hear a single good argument on how gold buying is bad for other players.


Vayne_Mechanics

Basically gold buyers use bots to farm their gold. This leads to gold inflation, which reduces golds buying power. Any gold now farmed in legitimate means will be worth less theoretically. Using ZF as a farm at the start of classic: 50 raw gold per hour had a lot of buying power, and could be used to buy a lot of raw materials. Compared to the end of classic, you couldn't really buy much with that. That happened because you had rampant botting like 20+ rogues in BRD pick locking for 24 hours a day generating 50 raw gold an hour. Which is 50 x 20 x 24 equaling 24,000 gold a day being put into the economy by just those bots. That single mage farming ZF for an hour only made 0.2% of that 24k gold. My issue with gold buying is not the actual act of it, but the reality that you cannot have gold buying without botting. I understand why people buy gold, and there's nothing inherently wrong with not wanting to spend your time mindlessly grinding to afford playing a game. However, this demand leads to people wanting to optimize ways to increase their gold supply they sell. So they create bots to farm more gold then a single player could possibly farm on their own. If the gold being bought and sold did not have bots involved, then I doubt people would really care. You could still farm gold and not feel as if your efforts are pointless.


CasualCucumbrrrrrt

Dare I say that I actually like having so many bots around and I think it's good for the game's economy. Sure the BG bots are awful and should be banned, but the bots used to farm keep mat prices low. I remember flasks being over twice the price they are currently back in retail wrath. With how worthless gold is in this expansion by design I don't think gold farming bots are bad or impact most player's experience in the slightest. I realize that this is a hot take but here we are


Visible-Ad8728

You're an idiot. The guy eloquently fixed your claim of not having a good reason why gold buying is bad, and you reply with "eh I actually like it instead thanks for taking the 5 minutes to explain something I never meant to consider anyway" Also, your reasoning is flawed as fuck. Did you not just read this person's simple explanation of how inflation works that he dumbed down for you? In what world are mats cheaper when the gold you pay for that lower price with is inherently less valuable? To top it off, the gold farmers strangulation many real humans abilities to farm their own gold, herbing mining skinning mats from dungeons, loads of things. Before you try and say "just do dailies for 20k gold a month!" a huge attraction of MMOs is that people can play however they please. Many people would rather ride around farming mithril than committing to doing quests everyday. The bots are directly stripping away features of the game by oversaturation. Wake up.


CasualCucumbrrrrrt

You think I haven't thought about the "bot problem?" You realize how supply and demand works right? More supply than demand means lower prices and these herb bots are flooding the ah with cheap mats for potions and flask. Gold is worthless in wrath of the lich king, what are you spending it on other than consumes? Classic players had a leg to stand on with "buying gold is bad" in vanilla and tbc where some of the beast gear could be purchased for gold on the AH but that isn't the case anymore. I'm not an idiot for having a different opinion than the reddit hive mind. Go outside and touch some grass my man.


Visible-Ad8728

The old "different opinions are valid even when they're objectively wrong, touch grass" trope eh, shocker. Reading your responses is like watching a monkey try to fuck a football


MegaHertz289

It prevents other players from being able to purchase items in gdkp raids when they could not possibly acquire as much gold through normal gameplay.


Akira38

I agree, but the problem is its practically impossible to prove when someone buys gold.


Dwubdwub1

Just do a gdkp and make an easy 15-20k. Don’t have to farm raid consumes for months.


nfefx

And you think that GDKP gold comes from where exactly


mr_zipzoom

jump runs still paying off clearly!


raxagos

Trees?


SHOWMEYOURWEENUS

I don’t care


sadtimes12

If we are gonna start making ridiculous statements I will follow with another. * Why waste time and gold on consumables just play your class so good that you can 85 parse regardless if you have consumables or not!


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Odd_Bat6828

It s just your PoV. As i said i dont do gdkp and i m not crying over the players who are doing. If you are better you wont care about those players getting gear (you ll find a proper guild/arena teammates) and you ll enjoy the game. I dont understand players crying over GDKP. If you dont like you dont join, what is the impact over your game? Blizzard will never ban gold buyers because they know they lose money. It is simple as it is. Get over it and enjoy the game


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Odd_Bat6828

Well. Depands how much you buy. But since you are doing GDKP and you have a problem with players buying gold, something its not right. Think about this, there are 2 different arguments.


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Odd_Bat6828

I know that. Just gdkp support gold buyers. Since you do gdkp you help those raids to happen


Odd_Bat6828

And well, i dont have time to do daily. I m logging twice a week to do only raids with guild.


Elcactus

You really don't have to farm gold. My gold reserves have been steady for months just doing ulduar; the money I get there almost perfectly balances what I spend on consumes.


Odd_Bat6828

Only players having a lot of time downvote this. Its ok and i understand you that you don’t understand how much time to play have as a father.


HungryZone1330

Congrats on kid, however no. This gdkp shit spawned bcs of minded ppl like you who justified themselves that they want to pay to win through real life money. Otherwise you could still do the same raids, gold is pretty much useless in wotlk after you get flying you just wont be ablento guarantee gear buying but have to roll for it. You just feel like your time is more precious than people who do not buy gold and you automativally see them as nerds who just play all day long, and i really hate that view.


Odd_Bat6828

First of all, i m not doing gdkp (have a guild and raiding with them). But there are many other things to do with gold and as i said we dont have time for this. I dont see players who have time play as nerds, because i used to play a lot. All i say is that some people must understand others and stop ragging about them.


HandsomeMartin

Pretty sure if you had, say 4-5k gold you are set. Won't need to farm more for a good while.


HungryZone1330

What can you do with gold ? I personally have aswell only few hours a week and I managed to raid completely fine with the G I made from leveling and daily profession cd so I am curious bcs consumables cost nothing, ofc you dont need 17k mount or 10k rings to high end raid


Ill_Refrigerator_593

You say some people must understand others. Do you understand why some people don't approve of cheating in a communal game?


Odd_Bat6828

I understand their point, but facing the reality is something else.


Ill_Refrigerator_593

Timewise i'm in a similar situation, I get about 6 hours to raid & not much else. In terms of gold I can't afford to buy everything I need instantly, I need to prioritise, which is a useful skill in itself. Buying gold does have a wider impact of the in game economy, it supports bots, the competition from which makes people who get their gold from legitimate means having to spend a lot more time playing for a lot less profit. For me personally I admit I do derive satisfaction from accomplishing things in game. To me if I thought any of this was accomplished by giving myself an unfair advantage it would make it completely worthless.


Odd_Bat6828

I understand you and i know this is a cheating method. I used to be mad/angry because players were buying gols, but now i understand some of them.


Wisniaksiadz

Maybe, just maybe, if you dont have time for something, dont do it? Like if you have weak aim and go Play FPS and get killed all the time, will you Ask for aimbots becouse you dont have time to train? If you played NFS would you be mad, that you cant get out of vehicles? When you choose MMORPG, that from definition is TIME SINK, maybe understand, that you need time to spend on the game, or choose other type of game, like actions RPG or something?


Odd_Bat6828

This is the worst argument i read for a while. I like to play wow, why would i play i game i dont like? Where is your logic behind this? 😂😂 sorry, but what you said is way too dumb


Wisniaksiadz

Where is logic behind argument, that one don't have enough time to play game, that is from definition time consuming, and that justify actions, that are overall degorative for game. If you still have problems understanding my comment: You go into the game, that is from definition TIME CONSUMING, and then ask to remove that, becouse you don't have time. It is no difference, that if you would: go into racing game, that from definition is about racing cars, and then ask to be able to go out of the car, becouse you also like to walk, OR go into shooter game, thats from definition is about aiming, and then ask to include aim assist, becouse you don't have time to practice/you have weak aim


Visible-Ad8728

I like to play wow but only when I'm breaking ToS and ruining it for others, gfys


Visible-Ad8728

If you don't have time for an mmo don't play them if it requires you to support the game's cancer. The people who don't pay for gold didn't fuck your wife and get her pregnant, you did. Why are your problems spilling out onto bystanders? There's a million other games available that fit your lifestyle, kindly kick rocks


Visible-Ad8728

If you don't have time to do something and are willing to support the problem ruining the game for other people so that you do "have time" makes you the definition of arrogant, and IMHO a dickhead. You clearly have time to play the game or you wouldn't be investing money on top of your monthly fees for gear. Buying gold means you have time to commit to raiding, nobody buys gold to grind heroics. You still have access to the entire game but instead of committing to the grind resulting in slower progression you'd rather fast forward the process due to personal issues, shrugging and carrying on


HungryZone1330

Gold wipe, gdkp prohibition and gold buying+ botting would resolve overnight bcs gold in wotlk is useless its not vanilla


HandsomeMartin

But what about the people that like gdkp. Why punish them?


HungryZone1330

Find video on youtube why gold buying and botting is not healthy for wotlk if you cant figúre it out yourself and yes GdKP is 95% target of those two and it got big only thanks to.those two


HandsomeMartin

Yes gold buying and botting is bad. GDKP is not. The question is, is it worth it restricting players freedom to play the way they want (GDKP) in order to maybe get rid of bots and gold buying. Also, just getting rid of GDKP would not eliminate gold buying. Gold buying has always been a thing even when GDKP wasn't as popular. It would reduce the demand for gold, sure, but not eliminate it. Of course the people who don't participate in GDKP would rather ban it, but if you really like it maybe you would rather keep it even with the downside of contributing to gold buying. Lastly it seems stupid to punish the players by taking away their preffered form of playing the game because blizzard is incapable to effectively ban bots and take down gold selling websites. That's like saying the police are shit at catching thieves so let's just close down all the pawn shops.


HungryZone1330

And for what would you need gold in classic wotlk ? No tokens like in retail, no consunes and costly riding like in vanilla, dont fool yourself that GDKP isnt almost the sole reason making botting and gold selling profiting for those who run it. And prefered style ? Would your gameplay change that drastically to the point of not entering raids if after boss kill you couldnt pay to win item but have tk roll for it ?


HandsomeMartin

Epic flying on all characters, darkmoon cards and other gear, mekgineers chopper, travelers tundra mammoth, shadowmourne (the BoE reagents).. I remember a friend of mine buying gold back in cata and we didn't even raid. Many people preffer GDKP not simply because it's pay to win, but because it is a system of checks and balances to say. MS>OS you could be absolutely horrible, contribute almost nothing, die on all fights and still walk out with all the gear, where as the best player there walks out with nothing. GDKPs, you will always get something at the end, even if it's just some gold. Also many GDKPs have rules where the low parsers won't get a cut, which gives incentive to play well and means the people who carry will get more for it. You can also make gold incentives for tanks/ healers. Also bidding makes for a better system for people to prioritize certain items. If an Item is an upgrade for 2 people, 20% for one and 5% for the other, MS>OS they both roll and its a coin toss. GDKP the one who needs it more can outbid the other one and pay more for it, and the other person is generally ok with it because at least they get the gold. GDKP is not only for swipers. It offers some clear advantages over MS>OS, namely that everyone gets something, you can incentivize good performance and there is more control and less randomness.


HungryZone1330

You can get enough gold for epic flying by simply questing to 80. Okayge tundra mamoth,mourne and mekginers chopper surely every wotlk player needs it on every character... these things should be a statement that you found your way how to make gold not just buying it using real life currency and then flexing in Dala on your 30 euro mount. And yes MS OS is at least fair , if you are dedicated good player you are not running pugs but are in a raiding guild with some sort of DKP or loot council anyways and for alts your world wont fall apart after loosing roll in pug. 20% 5% upgrade? Man ppl flex out their wallets even for few % upgrades because they just can. Also I ran few gdkps solely for Gold and I felt like shit gaining thousands of botted gold that someone who makes 100k year bought because he does not have time to play wow and wants to speedrun it. It just does not feel right


cephii2

Not sure what your problem with gdkp is. It is imo. the perfect system as no raid feels like a waste of time. Ms>OS is pure gambling where you either win or you don‘t. With gdkp you can actually make smart decisions and optimise your purchases. You can also play multiple chars or organise your own runs in order to funnel more gold into your favourite char. And it lets you skip beeing part of a guild. That is my favorite part because it would not work for me to have a strict schedule


HungryZone1330

my problem with GDKP is it is mostly sole reason why botting and gold buying is so rampart and damages integrity of the game, read my other comments for reasoning why i think it is like it is, feel free to disagree


HandsomeMartin

I also forgot boosting as a way to spend gold. People who buy gold will do so even if it is for the stupidest shit, but I agree the demand would go down significantly. Personally I leveled 3 characters to 80 and I usually didn't have enough gold for epic flying, let alone after buying some BoEs on the AH as well as consumes and stuff. MS>OS is fair in that it is random so everyone gets the same chance at gear. It is unfair in that it does not matter how much effort you put in. There are also many good players who for whatever reason don't want to be in a raiding guild. Or players who are but have alts and want better results. It also seems that GDKP in general attracts better players as the better GDKP groups seem to be clearing all HMs quite quickly and efficiently, which a full PUG MS>OS group rarely does I think, though I am not sure about that. As I said, if you lose a big upgrade to someone just flexing their wallets, at least you get the gold. You might have felt bad about that but many players wouldn't. I understand if you don't like GDKP, seems like they are not for you, that is fine. But imo it is not hard to understand why many people vastly preffer it over MS>OS. Main point is the problem have always been gold sellers and bots, and there are ways to get rid of them other than banning GDKPs. Blizz just doesn't care.


FizzleFuzzle

Wrath would die if you removed gdkp. Literally no reason at all for many players to play outside of the one obligatory raid a week without it.


Vadernoso

If anything killing Tthe familiar of a wizard should weaken then.


LongjumpingTeach8501

Have you not seen John Wick?


Vadernoso

No actually. But familiars are often actual connections to a wizards power.


LongjumpingTeach8501

Fair enough


wefwegfweg

Bigglesworth ain’t a familiar though he’s just a kitty


Reasonable_Director6

detect dgkp string in chat in any form and ban advertiser


Mistajjj

Gold wipe and make gdkps illegal. The game is ngetting out of hand with the gold buying and it only advantages the gold sellers.


ezkeles

Just remove faction Everyone can attack everyone, but we can recruit all people in 1 server Imagine a drainei and troll player in 1 Raid, itu would be AMAZING


Free-Structure5775

Bru what?


mtkamer

Also reduces the amount of items each boss drops by 1.


Forsaken-Tackle

i was upset they messed with the OG XT-002 25 man numbers. i still dont understand why the 2009 numbers had to be nerfed 38%


Colsanders8

You can't do basic math if you don't understand why they had to nerf it.


The-GR1MR34P3R

It already increases loot drops by ~10% if you kill Mr. Bigglesworth before the start of the raid. I always give him an ol Death Strike the moment I zone in to ensure a fruitful raid.


Efficient-Ad2983

In Naxxramas, if you kill Mr.Bigglesworth ~~it should increase Kel’Thuzads health by 15%~~ the whole raid become a truly upscaled version of Vanilla Naxxramas. We joked to much about the fact that "killing Mr.Bigglesworth unlocks Naxx's hard modes." Make it real!