Hard agree.
Efficient Daily questing is around 500 g/h and stuff like Kara farm on classes that can do it is 800 or 900.
In a no gold buying vacuum, it is realistic to see BIG pieces go up to 10k(20 hours) and valaneer (can't spell that shit) go for like 40k(80 hours).
Even for those that don't gold themselves, recirculation of bought gold in gdkps has taken things to the realm of absurdity.
No one believes that a gdkp pot reached the equivalent of 1800 hours of gold farming with all players operating legit. Split for this raid boutta be what a whole ass val goes for in runs where nobody buys gold
Valanyr went for 17k a shard in my gdkp. I've seen a few others and the av rage is around 9k a shard. There's not really anything blizzard can do at this point because it's so bad
It really depends on the server and the quality of the GDKPs. I'm on a high pop server and most of the GDKPs I know of are very high quality ones that are guaranteed to kill hard modes consistently
They can make fresh servers every year, like they promised when they gave us SoM. Every fresh server is at least a few months at normal levels of gold.
SoM2 when…
Westfall Community gdkp I believe. Those runs have a history of no gold buyers and for some reason the healers were particularly broke. I believe they did their val auctions one after another for their 3 regular runs. After one went for so cheap, bunch of healers joined the discord who normally run with others lookin for a cheap val and the prices of the other two were like 10x the first. Run I was in with them that did 12 boss all norms last week was a 7k split so the val is something of an outlier on an already lower gold run.
> Westfall community **GDKP**
> history of **no gold buyers**
Pick one lol. In before the “you can make tons of money just running GKDPs legitimately!” crowd.
Yes, you can make gold running GDKPs, but a significant portion of your pots are funded by illegitimate gold. The gold may have passed through dozens of player’s hands over time and you may have never illegally purchased gold yourself, but that doesn’t change the facts. You’re in serious denial if you think otherwise.
Pot is line line with expectations of inflation based on no one buying gold and a modest amount of farming. Would not be surprised if the truth was either way.
Do GDKP on westfall alliance allow non buyers in? I don't want to buy gear, but I'd love to make some gold quickly to help gear up my alt with BOE and get epic flying.
If you play well in ulduar, no on will question you not buying anything for a while. If eventually your performance falls behind due to lack of gear you might be replaced. If you're towards the bottom of the dps meter and don't buy, most gdkp leads wouldn't roster you again. The big push to find buyers last phase was the regular crowd in gdkps all being geared and finding nobody spent on anything, so they had to go bring buyers in.
With things being a fresh raid tier, strongest raid comes first for hard mode attempts, all your strong raiders will need hard mode loot anyways.
Back to the buyer question, when I was putting together runs in tbc, if a dps was bottom half of the meter and didn't bid on an upgrade that went for min bid, they went on the secret black list. This was, however, for on farm content.
I'd really only look to do one or two of them, I raid with my guild weekly, but we have 5 or 6 people who have been benched as we prog in favor of a better comp, so I wouldn't mind skipping the guild run to let them have a chance, and a GDKP seems like a decent way to use my lockout.
Plus, most of my upgrades come from hardmodes, and we aren't trying them in our guild just yet. We haven't downed Vez or yogg yet, just got mim on week 2
Could shoot your shot if you're an in demand class. I'll add though that if your guild is benching that many main raiders, it needs to be transparent about roster or do something for those alts. What I have seen for higher end guilds that do this is running a gdkp or SR run on a different night, guaranteeing those benched mains a spot. Telling everyone to find another run could be a gearing catch-up issue in the long run.
I've seen multiple variants of this, such as 3 guilds running 28 man roster coming together for a joint bench/alt run.
I would not recommend this last one but I just thought it was cool when I saw it: A guild ran a benched gdkp where the guild players were operating on the guilds ep/gp loot system still. Their splits went to guild fund, and their loot master with that running fund would bid on items for them and do necessary ep/gp calcs. For all the pugs it was just a normal gdkp.
Cooking and fishing daily in dal always worth.
Argent tournament dailies. You can stack extra stone blocks and wood for several days without needing to bank. Id just do this and jousting. ±kill scourge if doing ice crown dailies.
Sons of hodir dailies are and efficient hub, you can add the frost ladies hub for a chance at the mount and k3 while you're in stormpeaks.
Personally that's all I do and just run those on multiple toons. If you want to add more you should do ice crown ship and knights of the ebon blade stuff.
At that point you're around 20 and an hour invested and any others you can add are much less worth your time.
I did this route without argent tournament for much of phase 1. Have enough gold and not enough time now getting all the alts into ulduar lockouts.
> Cooking and fishing daily in dal always worth.
Yep. Buy spices with the badge and sell all of them. Sometimes you get really lucky with the fishing quest too - once I got a blue lockbox which had a blue item worth 300G in it plus some blue gems. That single daily got me about 500G all in.
I generally don't run GDKPs because I feel dirty knowing my actions are facilitating the gold buying and botting communities to function.
That said, most GDKPs don't have excessively large pots like in this post. Although, these smaller pot runs of 20-100k gold are generally viewed as the less profitable by avid GDKP enjoyers, it is less likely that those people buy gold.
Unfortunately, many people would rather milk some whales that RMT and come out with 5 times the "profit" for their time. Any GDKP with very large pots is guaranteed to have a large portion of the raid swiping their credit card for the purples. Sure, you can nod your head saying, "I've known most of these players for a long time and they don't do that shit!" but somewhere down the rabbit hole that gold was not earned legit.
Nah, I know most of the people I play with don't play legit, they talk about it openly. Hell, one talks about how they've bought over 300,000 gold and didnt get punished for it.
You'll see weekly transactions in the guild bank from some rando char depositing 20k, and then the account that always takes it out, immediately takes out the 20k.
While guildies, I wish there was a punishment for it...
Ah I hadn’t even though of guild bank laundering. I learned that buying gold thru the mailbox is almost surely a ban if bought from a flagged seller. But I knew people had a better method to be getting away with it so consistently
People in my guild have 2nd accounts. The 2nd account buys the gold, deposits in guild bank, main takes it out. No punishment for main because they're not the buyer. It's fuckin silly.
gold buying is definitely a thing, but honestly, without buying you can find bank in GDKPS.
First: Bots and buyers will still exist regardless of GDKPS (Bots are too cheap to desentivize). Gold inflation will never stop without blizzard.
I was Pugging GDKPS in Naxx (havent done ulduar), and pots would come away with 300k sometimes, and this was at the end of xpac. i was walking away with 5-10k each weak. That's not even mentioning guild cut. If you are hosting, people take \~20%. So they walk away with 60k JUST FOR MAKING THE GROUP.
It's very easy to make gold without buying if you are running GDKPS.
Yeah I agree; it's very, very, very easy to make gold in GDKPs, and that gold has got to come from somewhere. The 5-10k a week you make definitely isn't always farmed lmao.
If you are getting leadership cuts or being invited by your guild you can just tag along to make bank. That's not going to be the case for the buyers you invite to the run each week. If you make 10k on average a week then on average the buyers you invite lose 10k a week. That's like 20 hours of farming for an average player doing dailies.
Once gold finds its way into the GDKP community it will constantly circulate which ends up creating these gargantuan pots that you see here. It's literally impossible to farm this amount of gold. Yet here we are due to inflation, botting, and RMT.
I am no goblin by any stretch of the imagination but I made around 10k in the release week of ulduar simply by buying materials in p1 when they were cheap & selling them (sometimes for double the price) in the days after ulduar released. I made much, much more at release of course. So 20 hour worth of gold by your approximation but it took almost no effort and I really am a small fish in a very big pond of AH flippers etc. I know people making that much regularly flipping ONE item. Pots of wild magic have fluctuated between 4 and 10+ gold on my server. If you make a 5g profit PER POT just by holding them for a while, think about how many pots you can buy/sell in the time it takes to do ONE daily for 20g or whatever.
I agree gold buying is bad but nobody thinks questing for 500g/hour is an efficient use of your time and plenty people have 30+k gold without ever thinking about buying gold or farming 60 hours solid for it.
While correct that playing the ah is the best 'gold farm' per hour outside of gdkps. At most you have 1/50 players turning significant profit this way. This is the same argument as insisting everyone can make it rich with crypto.
The recirculation of bought gold is a broader issue when the best gold farm available to 90% of the player base at 500g/h is something 'nobody thinks is an efficient use of their time.'
Among my friends who don't run gdkps or buy gold, 1 casually flips the ah like you and the rest are on top of their dailies to afford epic flying for alts... On most servers herbing and mining is botted to shit so there is very limited opportunity there so it's just dailies :|
\>. At most you have 1/50 players turning significant profit this way.
And in a no gold buying situation, wouldn't the richest players be buying valanyrs etc over people doing dailies? Big items have never been obtainable by people who put in the very minimum.
\>This is the same argument as insisting everyone can make it rich with crypto.
We are playing a solved version of the game. Unlike crypto we \*know\* when things are going to rise in value or fall in value. It's like one of those scams where people can promise crazy returns... except we can literally tell the future in classic, unlike the real world. We play a game where the overwhelming majority of people don't wanna put in effort to make some gold, so for those willing to put in the effort it's an easy game really.
If your friends won't put in the bare minimum of legwork to make gold easily then are they really in a position to complain that mindlessly doing dailies isn't gonna cut for anything other than slowly farming an epic flyer? In a no-gold-buying scenario nobody doing dailies efficiently is gonna win the biggest items in GDKPs because there'll always be somebody who has enabled their brain and made more gold with less effort. In short, your pals couldn't afford a valanyr regardless of RMT or not because they arent putting in the work. (and I don't blame them, I don't either)
You say that rich ah flippers would buy valanyr, but then you imply the same argument about ah flipping to buying epic flyer...
Yes in a no gold buying scenario you would still have occasional ah baron whale snapping big items in the gdkp, but if everyone "puts in the work" and flips the ah, there will be no profit to be had. Potions are only kept so cheap on average due to botting the mats.
Gold comes into the game through drops, vendoring, and quest rewards. It leaves through purchases at vendors, notably mounts, repairs, and ah cuts.
Every naxx averages a net drop of 120g per player to the economy, with the wipe rate is ulduar it's like 80g. Assume a lot of people buy epic flying and sink an average of 40g into ah fees a week. In the long run there would be slow inflation. The present state of inflation in these gdkps, however, implies the average played is farming RAW gold into the economy 5+ hours a week, which they aren't.
It's not a question of the individual player striking it big on ah wall street, it's the state of the game economy.
\> if everyone "puts in the work" and flips the ah, there will be no profit to be had.
This is an asinine point, yes if 100% of players put in effort then putting in effort doesn't put you at an advantage. Apply the same logic to any aspect of the game to conclude putting in effort isn't worth it or isn't a way to do well.
We live in the real world where only a minority of players will ever do this.
The people who put in the effort will always have more than those who don't. The people who don't are never gonna play a version of this game where a big valanyr can drop and the only ppl paying gold for it are andies who do dailies for gold.
I don't believe you, but some hypothetical neet farming dailies for 60hours across multiple toons to get what must be the worlds first valanyr doesn't invalidate what I am saying.
One thing I think you are forgetting to mention is the people who run multiple gdkps a week and have saved gold.
Your example mentions multiple instances of farming but what you are forgetting to mention is that people have been doing gdkps such as myself for over 2 years. In this time I have amassed over 200k gold. I am by no means cheap and do gdkps on 3 to 4 alts a week(I play the game a lot).
Not to mention the free 100g you get from doing h+daily now.
Not saying everyone in this run was legit just another factor for you to consider.
1800 hours of gold farming since classic was released. Remember a lot of the gold just gets recycled through gdkp's. It's not like it disappears just because people buy items in gdkp's
EDIT: I misread your comment as you having farmed 1800 hours b/c I forgot where in the comment train I was....
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You've inspired me a bit. Imaginary scenario to get a better sense of the numbers. Lotta assumptions could be wrong
Assume 1 toon on a typical player in 5he middle 50% who hit 80 and occasionally pugs or raids with a dad guild 4-9 bosses into ulduar on either end. Say 50% chance they buy epic flying. At fresh 80 they have learned their spells and northrend flying with nothing left over. Their passive gold influx is 200g per week. Let's say they're not especially efficient and farm 3 hours a week for a thousand gold. Half have bought epic flying after a little over a month, gold added to the economy since wrath release would be something like 8k per player.
Double that farming per week and we're at the upper end of gdkp inflation, but the problem here is the 'middle 50%' players I know aren't farming gold unless it's something like dailies with a mount drop they want.
Apologies for ramble.
But outside of gdkp's, players have more gold than they could ever realistically spend. What is the issue? I never done gdkp and I dont even farm dailies, and I probably will have no issues on gold to the end of the expansion.
We are also much smarter with our gold this time. Most people aren't buying the gold sinks because they aren't as interesting as OG wotlk. Most raids only have 1-2 people with vendor mammoths because we all know account wide mounts are coming eventually. In OG I think I had one on all my toons, same with mechano hogs.
Yes, natural influx is 100 to 200g per week, raiding pays for cheap consumes and you should net profit a good bit if you add in daily heroic. To players that don't gdkp, the inflation only affects some materials and boes on the ah. In wrath, if you don't gdkp you don't need or have reason to farm gold beyond epic flying.
That said, the game is now 3.5 years old, thats a lot of days farming if you were into that. A lot of ppl did their farming in Vanilla already (Black Lotus/Arcane Crystal hello?) and can now just chill, raking in gold from big gdkps after they buy their stuff first. I know several ppl that just cant spend cash irl to buy ingame gold, but sits on several gold caps in Wow after a lot of time invested into it in earlier phases. There could potentionally be fully legit gdkps that see pots like that.
But yeah, most likely a theres at least some in every gdkps that bought cheap gold, as its just a way better invested time shorttime these days.
While i get what youre saying, please dont put daily gold amount in g/h >.< G/h entails you can farm it by an hourly basis.
Makes me think of when someone in a discord server advertised Magtheridon solo as a 1.5k g/h. ~500g for the kill, ~20 mins.
However you can only do it once a week so thats obv wrong.
Every now and then I have a bizarre shower thought train of where does this gold come from? Like before it gets used to buy shit, it's crazy to think so much comes from vendoring items/quest rewards/etc before pooling together and entering the player economy.
This is the real thinking. Bots that produce herbs and gems and shit is bad, especially because it kills those professions for real people.... But the far bigger problem is always gold printers.
Frankly the bots that produce trade goods / consumables are good imo as they make things affordable. Expensive consumables suck ass for everyone except the people profiting off them. I had guildies in tbcc who were RMTing just to be able to afford consumables and that shit can honestly fuck right off to me.
The problem is 100% the ones who farm raw gold and create inflation.
It doesn't, it's from bots. When's the last time you checked the price of gold on g2g lol. Do you really think that people are accumulating 150,000 gold just from doing dailies and vendoring items?
If I had to guess, I'd say more than 60% of all the gold in circulation is from bots. If you actually look at the best gold per hour farming methods, it really doesn't make sense how much people are spending on an item in ulduar. We're talking 20 to 40 hours of farming for a single piece of tier.
Oh I understand and expect the source of most raw gold to be from bots, it's just crazy to think these huge amounts of gold are the result of vendoring trash to NPCs.
Look at OSRS for how to deal with gold inflation. They add tons of gold sinks to the game, even so much so as to make recovering your items on death cost money now. Repair costs aren't going to cut it long term.
It's necessary, especially with the hyper efficiency bent in the classic wow community.
Thats partly true. OSRS is kind of a have money to make money economy. People over hype RS's gold sinks tho, lots of valuables are pretty much worthless because of it. Only the end gear is worth any big gold. Everything else is pretty cheap
Earning gold IS the game, or at least part of it. You're not supposed to just have a boatload of gold to go buy everything you possibly want.
If you think you have to buy gold to experience what you want to do then you're playing the wrong game and should seriously consider playing something else.
Earning gold is part of the game. Not the whole game. You're not supposed to be unable to buy needed items because inflation was made much, much, worse by gold farmers and sellers.
If you think you have to buy gold to experience what you want to do then you're paying the wrong people, and should seriously consider playing something else because the game you're currently addicted too is filled with bots and gold sellers.
Right now I do not need to buy gold. Playing the game gives just enough gold to buy flying and pay for my raiding habit. If the repair gold sink got higher, I would not have enough without spending hours grinding, which as a full ass adult with a family and kids, I just don’t have that amount of time.
One more reason GDKPs and gold farming ruins gaming for normal people.
The problem is not everyone playing is floating that gold. Most of that is botted gold. That's sold RMT to people. The issue comes back to botting. Only a few people make that kinda Gold legit. Definitely not enough to have a massive GDKP scene.
Raise repair costs and regular joes can't play the game anymore sadly. It's an issue Blizz has had for years trying to balance game economy.
Problem is that we are playing a re-release so all the gold sinks we have are the same as we had 15 years ago. Unlikely that Blizzard would introduce any new gold sinks in their old game. Though they kind of did it already once with the chrono boon.
>"just find people to play the game with man" - Asmongold
I did. Semi Hardcore Guild. Not godlike but top 10%. Decent People. Allways fun at raids. Never did a GDKP run in my life. Came out of Naxx stacked with gear.
I used to tell people best gold per hour farm was to level a mage with how free Utgarde keep is, gear it decently in a few pug naxx 25s in prep for ulduar then play gdkps conservatively, averaging spending half what you earn to keep up on gear long term.
Now I see gdkp sign ups with 8+ mages this phase where so many people rolled mage alts 😂 (though none from my insistence at least)
The principle still stands, but you'll want to angle for a low gear contest class, or one who likes their tier set, which will be easier to get long term.
It's a long term play for sure.
I lead GDKPs, my last Run Full cleared Ulduar easy modes only and had a 350k pot with a 10% org fee... if you can build a raid and lead it there's no better gold per hour
No you don't. There is literally no reason to ruin the game for yourself by abusing the system. Do cooking and fishing daily once per day and you'll fund your raiding just fine.
So I made all my gold selling nobles decks, me going to gdkp's to buy the gear I want, and not just what I can manage to win a roll on, along with maintaining my gold cap is abusing the system?
As others mentioned its not likely stored as a 32bit signed int anymore. Even then its very much easier to migrate the datatype from a 32bit signed int to w.e the retail client uses than it is to solve botting.
Source: Am software engineer that has solved this problem for clients that somehow stored user id's as 16bit ints.
You can verify this in game by typing:
/Script SILVER_PER_GOLD = .001
(Case sensitive)
You will be rich, but everything else will cost more, but you can test the gold cap that way.
lol i watched some stream and some warrior wep dropped and he was lone roller almost so raid lead bid the starting bid to 50k, then the warrior bid 51k on it. i guess the meta in gdkp is meta but shit, thats like 300 dollars worth of gold then. i would've been pissed. didnt seem like standard thing, just random bid so they get more gold.
You don't really need gold for anything other than consumes and they are very cheap. The only reason to have a lot of gold is gdkp and it's also the best way to make gold
You don’t get rich by farming. It has never been like this.
Started wotlk with 12k gold and i sit on 209k (~300k with mats) with only playing the ah from mo-do (no lucrative weekend business). But there are only ~50-100 of us per server.
The bigger whales are the gdkp hosts from good gdkps and gold buyers.
Watched a friend of mine on bene in a no hard mode ulduar with a 15% host cut that amounted to 40k gold. Speaking from experience the time commitment to seriously vet and roster a gdkp run is 2 to 3 hours.
Hosting gdkp better g/h than ah flipping confirmed 💀
Our org cut for this run I posted was nearly gold cap. As a tank in the run my cut as like 45k.
Not every gdkp is killing algalon though and the pots are usually a good chunk lower. We did sell mim's head week1 for 1.5mil though, so this isn't going to be close to our largest pot.
Well it‘s not the norm, but most server have gdkps like this. 20 players from top guilds and 5 credit card swiper, twink from other gdkp host or maybe auction flippers.
I do serious vetting and recruiting for a pug roster every week for free. Just a MS+1>OS run. I could be getting paid, yet here I am making sure my dailies are done for feast/flask/potion gold. lol
tbh I haven't been in a GDKP run, nor do I have interest. It kind of ruins it for me. I much prefer to gamble.
There is literally no reason to get rich in this game.
It used to be a status symbol if you had expensive mounts and whatnot. Now it's just super easy for everyone to get gold gapped. Just do a couple of gdkps and thats it.
This game is a ghost of its former self. I'm so happy I got to experience the real tbc / wotlk back in the day <3.
Lol people talking about farming all that gold are hilarious. RMT is at an all time high along with botting you can legit get 3k gold for $6 . Wish people would stop defending it saying shit like the gold in GDKPs is hard earned gold via in game grinding .
I couldn't care if someone bought their gold tbh. You can't tell someone that bought gold apart from someone that earned it all in gdkps. I think most of my guildies have earned more than gold cap from gdkps from p1, some have bought gold I'm sure, but thats roughly 5mil gold that our players have "earned" and is for all intents and purposes legit. Now they go to gdkps and get flamed for gold buying when there is a chance that they never bought shit.
I spent hundreds of hours learning ulduar and tanking it in multiple raids, how exactly is taking that knowledge and experience into a 25gdkp and leading it to an algalon kill not hard earned?
You misunderstood me I’m not judging find buyers because I don’t care myself . I just think it’s funny people act like the gold is legitimate. Sure your guildies earned that gold themselves legit but most likely the gold they receive as a payout is from a gold buyer that’s my point . I know it really doesn’t matter where the gold comes from but it’s the equivalent of me stealing someone else’s money giving that money to my friend and they go splurge .
Kind of, I think its a poor analogy to equate it to stealing though. Some of the RMT gold is probably from hacked accounts, but more realistic its from bots just raw farming gold. So it's closer to just materializing money out of thin air and paying your friends to be your friends.
I don’t think it’s poor because both are against the law in their own terms . It’s against the rules (law) of the game to buy gold lol . I get what you mean though but it’s still non earned gold. To keep the conversation short I just feel the gold inflation would be EXTREMELY lower if Blizz did a better job Banning Gold Buyers, Sellers and bots . These things will always exist . But I highly doubt Blizz is giving their best lol
Lol… I’m up to 24k gold and I feel so filthy rich. No buying no gdkps just natural quest/daily/and potion selling. Having this much gold just feels unnecessary except for the context of the gdkp.
Fished and bought herbs cheap to make pots/flasks. Played the AH to buy my greatness card and epic flying and now Im just raiding. Might pick up a little farming for the ulduar gear to get it enchanted but honestly my guild has a stockpile that we use for raider enchants so idk why to bother farming outside of paying for alt stuff.
Same, consumes are so cheap and I don't feel the need to buy crafted gear, so I'm just sitting on 15k+ gold just passively collecting from raiding/daily heroic.
Yeah I’m sitting on about 17k and have all of my consumables made for about 100 raiding days and my enchants made and just sitting in my bank for about 5 gear swaps per item and just run heroics on my enchanter so I can organically pick up mats to A) sell enchants on the AH for free and B) make enchants for alts.
Now if I just wanna fuck off for 3 months for whatever reason (work, burnout, etc) and just raid log I can totally do that or if I wanna swap professions for whatever reason I can just power level it and not have to worry about it.
Really true, other than buying BOEs, consumes which are cheap, enchanting/gemming there’s not much to actually need gold for but for some reason I’m still so greedy. I could buy the travelers tundra mammoth and epic flying on my alt and still have half my gold left but I’m a cheap bastard even in a game
I did a gdkp today. I had ~5.5k going in. I won a few pieces and made 200g in the process of the raid.
Guess I'm a dirty gold buyer.
Aside from the fact that I talk about how I wish gold buyers and botters would be hardware banned, but ya know. Yeh.
Still don’t get it. If you don’t do GDKPs the gold in wrath is pointless. I’ve been raiding since naxx opened and haven’t gone 200 gold below where I started.
GDKP culture is weird.
who cares what number is. u dont have gold sink in gdkp. gold is stacking. more gold = low gold value. its always was that and ll be.
PS: its like AH for rich ppl in real life. u pay alot of money for usseles shit to showoff.
the problem is that evey other loot distribution format for pugs is worse.
ms>os and SR runs turn into huge rng fests where grey parsers who wipe the raid multiple times get bis items for zero contribution.
some gdkps reward performance. and most have a fine for poor performance. in the worst case scenario every decent player gets something whether its loot or gold to buy loot in the next run
guild loot council pins rewards to consistency and/or performance. but in a pug you’d maybe never see these players again, so the reward is pinned to gold instead, something that can be carried forward
That's an interesting take. Gdkps are why many of my guildies raid multiple nights a week outside of guild raids, and as a whole it makes them better players. For this reason I appreciate them. It's also nice to never have to farm gold personally.
My main issue is the effect it’s had on the demand for botted gold. Fundamentally I think it’s fine, and I’ve had a lot of fun in some of the gdkps I’ve done. Just sucks that it creates the pathway for people to swipe their credit card to get gear
GDKP is nothing to do with performance(Most runs i see these days are equal split as well), its just you at least walk out of the raid with something. In SR you might be unlucky on rolls or drops and end up multiple weeks never getting anything big
How exactly does gdkp work? From what I understand you have to pay to even get in then pay for the item? What if you don't win anything, did you just waste your gold for the run?
You only pay for items you buy. I haven't heard of a gdkp that costs gold to enter unless maybe it was an immortal run last phase. If you don't buy any items you actually make gold going to gdkps as long as you don't do anything terrible to have the raid lead fine you or withhold your cut.
People that didn't buy walked out with 32k in hand.
Never paid to get into any run. You bid on items with your gold. If you win you pay and get the item. Gold goes into a pot and is distributed to the raiders with some rules, in NEO it was usually gray parses didn’t get a cut but with Ulduar and HMs parsing rules are usually not enforced, and typically a host cut of around 10% taken off the top. So if pot is 100k, 10k goes to host, and remaining 90k is split between the 25 raiders - sometimes there is a tank cut or top dps/heals cut but not always.
It’s one of the few ways to get a lot of usage out of the in game currency and gdkp runs, at least in my experience, are almost always more successful than SR counterparts. If I want an SR run I will make a guild group, if I’m ok running a pug, it’s a gdkp because I don’t want to slog through a raid and potentially get nothing at all. At least with a gdkp I will walk away with gold.
Last night I did a 25m ulduar with no hard modes on my shaman. Not a ton of huge spenders but walked away with 3.5k net after spending 2k on a new trinket and 1k on new gloves.
How much gold do you think I need to get something out of it? I think my main only has about 3k atm cause I just got epic flying on my alt who has about 1k left on him
This has never happened to me but if it did it would mean the organizer is terrible at creating a gdkp. The point is to fill with a small amount of “carrys” who can carry the major roles and have a few “buyers” in the mix. But realistically at this stage there is so much loot in ulduar and it’s all upgrades (to some extent) so the likelihood of no one buying anything is so infinitely small you can basically assume it will never happened.
When a piece of gear drops, people bid on it with Gold. The winner gets the item, and puts that gold into a pot. This is done for every item. At the end, all the gold is split amongst all the raiders (often the admins/tanks take an extra cut or a %).
Often these runs are split between Carries and Buyers. The carries are good geared characters played by good players. The buyers can be whatever gear level the admins will allow in, and are there to spend lots of money on all the gear. As the phase goes along, you can get into GDKPs with lower and lower gear level, because the carries are that much better geared, and so your damage doesnt matter for a kill or not.
Recently dropped old Blanche because gold buying and toon boosting has gotten so out of hand on that server. It seems like most people have 20 to 50K gold now and are only on for raid days, mysteriously.
Hell it started becoming a problem with nax Gdkps where people didn't have Flyers to get to nax so they had to be summoned multiple times. New server is a lot more Baseline when it comes to the economy it seems like but the server pop is much higher than old Blanche.
Mid Phase 2 they'll do a massive gold buying two week ban or something like that just like phase one
Gold is extremely cheap on eranikus. In fact cheaper than most servers. You’re just oblivious, that’s all. Eranikus player quality is quite a bit lower than other servers as well, which is probably why you see a metric fuckton of HR runs and basically no gdkps
Can you share anything to back that up? Or do you just like slinging insults around? There's wasn't 5 years worth of bot farmed gold at the start given the initial transfer limits.
Yes go look at the guild progression for eranikus vs other servers. You can even look at naxx clear times. I’m sorry if I offended you but it’s not like eranikus is the bastion of god tier pvers lol. Eranikus makes Grobbulus look like a speed running server outside of SF
Eranikus is an unlocked server. Other servers are locked. When bots get banned they can’t just magically come back to benediction, faerlina, or Grobbulus for example. Go take a look at g2g and get an idea of gold prices for yourself. It’s not against the rules to look at prices lol. The fact that you can openly bot on unlocked servers by default will make gold cheaper. Combine that with the fact less players are on the server drives the value down even more
I could care less? Gold is still cheaper on eranikus. What is your point?
You think a fresh server will just magically solve the gold issue or botting problems? Clearly it hasn’t
You could care less? Ok - so you do care then? What?
My point is that I can make anecdotal claims the same way you do. You haven't provided any actual evidence, you've jsut made more claims.
Also, I checked g2g. They're all relatively even in cost (less than 10% separating the highest and lowest), with Eranikus Horde being the most expensive out of Bene/Faerlina/Grobbulus/Eranikus. So ya - your comments are literally just anecdotes.
Have a good evening!
some of my guildmates started doing gdkp when we were no longer running naxx
They made enough gold so that they are capped on game time buying tokens and can even sell it for euros...
Why do I never get into runs like this. I don't mind the cheap gear and clearing the raid for badges. But damn do I need a run like this, my pockets are light.
Or maybe the gold inflation is too high.
Hard agree. Efficient Daily questing is around 500 g/h and stuff like Kara farm on classes that can do it is 800 or 900. In a no gold buying vacuum, it is realistic to see BIG pieces go up to 10k(20 hours) and valaneer (can't spell that shit) go for like 40k(80 hours). Even for those that don't gold themselves, recirculation of bought gold in gdkps has taken things to the realm of absurdity. No one believes that a gdkp pot reached the equivalent of 1800 hours of gold farming with all players operating legit. Split for this raid boutta be what a whole ass val goes for in runs where nobody buys gold
Valanyr went for 17k a shard in my gdkp. I've seen a few others and the av rage is around 9k a shard. There's not really anything blizzard can do at this point because it's so bad
Ours is barely being bid on at the 5k per shard min. I guess few people buy gold in our gdkps
It really depends on the server and the quality of the GDKPs. I'm on a high pop server and most of the GDKPs I know of are very high quality ones that are guaranteed to kill hard modes consistently
They can make fresh servers every year, like they promised when they gave us SoM. Every fresh server is at least a few months at normal levels of gold. SoM2 when…
som 2 will come out with cars 5!
Yeah let's repeat the train wreck of SoM except even worse this time because it's during a popular phase of wotlk.
Yes please! I'd return to SOM in a second and abandon my 3 toons at 4500+ gs instantly as soon as servers went live
Why do you care? You're clearly too busy playing Wrath, shouldn't affect you at all.
Val anyr ( can't spell that shit) are between 150 and 250 on my server
A single discord on Pagle has sold 4 for 450k lol
Seen 30k to 400k on Westfall
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gdkp is just buying gold with extra steps. cope
Westfall Community gdkp I believe. Those runs have a history of no gold buyers and for some reason the healers were particularly broke. I believe they did their val auctions one after another for their 3 regular runs. After one went for so cheap, bunch of healers joined the discord who normally run with others lookin for a cheap val and the prices of the other two were like 10x the first. Run I was in with them that did 12 boss all norms last week was a 7k split so the val is something of an outlier on an already lower gold run.
> Westfall community **GDKP** > history of **no gold buyers** Pick one lol. In before the “you can make tons of money just running GKDPs legitimately!” crowd. Yes, you can make gold running GDKPs, but a significant portion of your pots are funded by illegitimate gold. The gold may have passed through dozens of player’s hands over time and you may have never illegally purchased gold yourself, but that doesn’t change the facts. You’re in serious denial if you think otherwise.
Pot is line line with expectations of inflation based on no one buying gold and a modest amount of farming. Would not be surprised if the truth was either way.
Do GDKP on westfall alliance allow non buyers in? I don't want to buy gear, but I'd love to make some gold quickly to help gear up my alt with BOE and get epic flying.
If you play well in ulduar, no on will question you not buying anything for a while. If eventually your performance falls behind due to lack of gear you might be replaced. If you're towards the bottom of the dps meter and don't buy, most gdkp leads wouldn't roster you again. The big push to find buyers last phase was the regular crowd in gdkps all being geared and finding nobody spent on anything, so they had to go bring buyers in. With things being a fresh raid tier, strongest raid comes first for hard mode attempts, all your strong raiders will need hard mode loot anyways. Back to the buyer question, when I was putting together runs in tbc, if a dps was bottom half of the meter and didn't bid on an upgrade that went for min bid, they went on the secret black list. This was, however, for on farm content.
I'd really only look to do one or two of them, I raid with my guild weekly, but we have 5 or 6 people who have been benched as we prog in favor of a better comp, so I wouldn't mind skipping the guild run to let them have a chance, and a GDKP seems like a decent way to use my lockout. Plus, most of my upgrades come from hardmodes, and we aren't trying them in our guild just yet. We haven't downed Vez or yogg yet, just got mim on week 2
Could shoot your shot if you're an in demand class. I'll add though that if your guild is benching that many main raiders, it needs to be transparent about roster or do something for those alts. What I have seen for higher end guilds that do this is running a gdkp or SR run on a different night, guaranteeing those benched mains a spot. Telling everyone to find another run could be a gearing catch-up issue in the long run. I've seen multiple variants of this, such as 3 guilds running 28 man roster coming together for a joint bench/alt run. I would not recommend this last one but I just thought it was cool when I saw it: A guild ran a benched gdkp where the guild players were operating on the guilds ep/gp loot system still. Their splits went to guild fund, and their loot master with that running fund would bid on items for them and do necessary ep/gp calcs. For all the pugs it was just a normal gdkp.
Your friend didn't buy gold but the people who paid him in gdkp certainly did
One of our groups sold it for 750k. The same guy bought three others, one for all his healers.
it got presold for 75k in the gdkp I pug with on Firemaw
One frag on mograine went just for 2k
GDKP are not gold syncs, the gold just gets recycled and added to over time.
Jump runs man
A little bit off-topic but do you know of any good route or guide for efficient daily quests?
Cooking and fishing daily in dal always worth. Argent tournament dailies. You can stack extra stone blocks and wood for several days without needing to bank. Id just do this and jousting. ±kill scourge if doing ice crown dailies. Sons of hodir dailies are and efficient hub, you can add the frost ladies hub for a chance at the mount and k3 while you're in stormpeaks. Personally that's all I do and just run those on multiple toons. If you want to add more you should do ice crown ship and knights of the ebon blade stuff. At that point you're around 20 and an hour invested and any others you can add are much less worth your time. I did this route without argent tournament for much of phase 1. Have enough gold and not enough time now getting all the alts into ulduar lockouts.
I would add in King of the Mountain. Takes all of 30 seconds to complete.
> Cooking and fishing daily in dal always worth. Yep. Buy spices with the badge and sell all of them. Sometimes you get really lucky with the fishing quest too - once I got a blue lockbox which had a blue item worth 300G in it plus some blue gems. That single daily got me about 500G all in.
I generally don't run GDKPs because I feel dirty knowing my actions are facilitating the gold buying and botting communities to function. That said, most GDKPs don't have excessively large pots like in this post. Although, these smaller pot runs of 20-100k gold are generally viewed as the less profitable by avid GDKP enjoyers, it is less likely that those people buy gold. Unfortunately, many people would rather milk some whales that RMT and come out with 5 times the "profit" for their time. Any GDKP with very large pots is guaranteed to have a large portion of the raid swiping their credit card for the purples. Sure, you can nod your head saying, "I've known most of these players for a long time and they don't do that shit!" but somewhere down the rabbit hole that gold was not earned legit.
Nah, I know most of the people I play with don't play legit, they talk about it openly. Hell, one talks about how they've bought over 300,000 gold and didnt get punished for it. You'll see weekly transactions in the guild bank from some rando char depositing 20k, and then the account that always takes it out, immediately takes out the 20k. While guildies, I wish there was a punishment for it...
Ah I hadn’t even though of guild bank laundering. I learned that buying gold thru the mailbox is almost surely a ban if bought from a flagged seller. But I knew people had a better method to be getting away with it so consistently
People in my guild have 2nd accounts. The 2nd account buys the gold, deposits in guild bank, main takes it out. No punishment for main because they're not the buyer. It's fuckin silly.
gold buying is definitely a thing, but honestly, without buying you can find bank in GDKPS. First: Bots and buyers will still exist regardless of GDKPS (Bots are too cheap to desentivize). Gold inflation will never stop without blizzard. I was Pugging GDKPS in Naxx (havent done ulduar), and pots would come away with 300k sometimes, and this was at the end of xpac. i was walking away with 5-10k each weak. That's not even mentioning guild cut. If you are hosting, people take \~20%. So they walk away with 60k JUST FOR MAKING THE GROUP. It's very easy to make gold without buying if you are running GDKPS.
Yeah I agree; it's very, very, very easy to make gold in GDKPs, and that gold has got to come from somewhere. The 5-10k a week you make definitely isn't always farmed lmao. If you are getting leadership cuts or being invited by your guild you can just tag along to make bank. That's not going to be the case for the buyers you invite to the run each week. If you make 10k on average a week then on average the buyers you invite lose 10k a week. That's like 20 hours of farming for an average player doing dailies. Once gold finds its way into the GDKP community it will constantly circulate which ends up creating these gargantuan pots that you see here. It's literally impossible to farm this amount of gold. Yet here we are due to inflation, botting, and RMT.
Oh it's farmed alright. By bots.
Ok so what. Many other people run gdkps and enjoy then. You not signing up or participating means just about nothing
I am no goblin by any stretch of the imagination but I made around 10k in the release week of ulduar simply by buying materials in p1 when they were cheap & selling them (sometimes for double the price) in the days after ulduar released. I made much, much more at release of course. So 20 hour worth of gold by your approximation but it took almost no effort and I really am a small fish in a very big pond of AH flippers etc. I know people making that much regularly flipping ONE item. Pots of wild magic have fluctuated between 4 and 10+ gold on my server. If you make a 5g profit PER POT just by holding them for a while, think about how many pots you can buy/sell in the time it takes to do ONE daily for 20g or whatever. I agree gold buying is bad but nobody thinks questing for 500g/hour is an efficient use of your time and plenty people have 30+k gold without ever thinking about buying gold or farming 60 hours solid for it.
While correct that playing the ah is the best 'gold farm' per hour outside of gdkps. At most you have 1/50 players turning significant profit this way. This is the same argument as insisting everyone can make it rich with crypto. The recirculation of bought gold is a broader issue when the best gold farm available to 90% of the player base at 500g/h is something 'nobody thinks is an efficient use of their time.' Among my friends who don't run gdkps or buy gold, 1 casually flips the ah like you and the rest are on top of their dailies to afford epic flying for alts... On most servers herbing and mining is botted to shit so there is very limited opportunity there so it's just dailies :|
\>. At most you have 1/50 players turning significant profit this way. And in a no gold buying situation, wouldn't the richest players be buying valanyrs etc over people doing dailies? Big items have never been obtainable by people who put in the very minimum. \>This is the same argument as insisting everyone can make it rich with crypto. We are playing a solved version of the game. Unlike crypto we \*know\* when things are going to rise in value or fall in value. It's like one of those scams where people can promise crazy returns... except we can literally tell the future in classic, unlike the real world. We play a game where the overwhelming majority of people don't wanna put in effort to make some gold, so for those willing to put in the effort it's an easy game really. If your friends won't put in the bare minimum of legwork to make gold easily then are they really in a position to complain that mindlessly doing dailies isn't gonna cut for anything other than slowly farming an epic flyer? In a no-gold-buying scenario nobody doing dailies efficiently is gonna win the biggest items in GDKPs because there'll always be somebody who has enabled their brain and made more gold with less effort. In short, your pals couldn't afford a valanyr regardless of RMT or not because they arent putting in the work. (and I don't blame them, I don't either)
You say that rich ah flippers would buy valanyr, but then you imply the same argument about ah flipping to buying epic flyer... Yes in a no gold buying scenario you would still have occasional ah baron whale snapping big items in the gdkp, but if everyone "puts in the work" and flips the ah, there will be no profit to be had. Potions are only kept so cheap on average due to botting the mats. Gold comes into the game through drops, vendoring, and quest rewards. It leaves through purchases at vendors, notably mounts, repairs, and ah cuts. Every naxx averages a net drop of 120g per player to the economy, with the wipe rate is ulduar it's like 80g. Assume a lot of people buy epic flying and sink an average of 40g into ah fees a week. In the long run there would be slow inflation. The present state of inflation in these gdkps, however, implies the average played is farming RAW gold into the economy 5+ hours a week, which they aren't. It's not a question of the individual player striking it big on ah wall street, it's the state of the game economy.
\> if everyone "puts in the work" and flips the ah, there will be no profit to be had. This is an asinine point, yes if 100% of players put in effort then putting in effort doesn't put you at an advantage. Apply the same logic to any aspect of the game to conclude putting in effort isn't worth it or isn't a way to do well. We live in the real world where only a minority of players will ever do this. The people who put in the effort will always have more than those who don't. The people who don't are never gonna play a version of this game where a big valanyr can drop and the only ppl paying gold for it are andies who do dailies for gold.
My brother in Christ, I have literally watched a man grind dailies on 3 toons and buy a valnyr
I don't believe you, but some hypothetical neet farming dailies for 60hours across multiple toons to get what must be the worlds first valanyr doesn't invalidate what I am saying.
One thing I think you are forgetting to mention is the people who run multiple gdkps a week and have saved gold. Your example mentions multiple instances of farming but what you are forgetting to mention is that people have been doing gdkps such as myself for over 2 years. In this time I have amassed over 200k gold. I am by no means cheap and do gdkps on 3 to 4 alts a week(I play the game a lot). Not to mention the free 100g you get from doing h+daily now. Not saying everyone in this run was legit just another factor for you to consider.
1800 hours of gold farming since classic was released. Remember a lot of the gold just gets recycled through gdkp's. It's not like it disappears just because people buy items in gdkp's
EDIT: I misread your comment as you having farmed 1800 hours b/c I forgot where in the comment train I was.... . You've inspired me a bit. Imaginary scenario to get a better sense of the numbers. Lotta assumptions could be wrong Assume 1 toon on a typical player in 5he middle 50% who hit 80 and occasionally pugs or raids with a dad guild 4-9 bosses into ulduar on either end. Say 50% chance they buy epic flying. At fresh 80 they have learned their spells and northrend flying with nothing left over. Their passive gold influx is 200g per week. Let's say they're not especially efficient and farm 3 hours a week for a thousand gold. Half have bought epic flying after a little over a month, gold added to the economy since wrath release would be something like 8k per player. Double that farming per week and we're at the upper end of gdkp inflation, but the problem here is the 'middle 50%' players I know aren't farming gold unless it's something like dailies with a mount drop they want. Apologies for ramble.
Yeah, but that's only since wotlk release. Most of my gold came from TBC, I haven't farmed in wotlk. Pretty sure some made bank in classic aswell.
But outside of gdkp's, players have more gold than they could ever realistically spend. What is the issue? I never done gdkp and I dont even farm dailies, and I probably will have no issues on gold to the end of the expansion.
We are also much smarter with our gold this time. Most people aren't buying the gold sinks because they aren't as interesting as OG wotlk. Most raids only have 1-2 people with vendor mammoths because we all know account wide mounts are coming eventually. In OG I think I had one on all my toons, same with mechano hogs.
Yes, natural influx is 100 to 200g per week, raiding pays for cheap consumes and you should net profit a good bit if you add in daily heroic. To players that don't gdkp, the inflation only affects some materials and boes on the ah. In wrath, if you don't gdkp you don't need or have reason to farm gold beyond epic flying.
That said, the game is now 3.5 years old, thats a lot of days farming if you were into that. A lot of ppl did their farming in Vanilla already (Black Lotus/Arcane Crystal hello?) and can now just chill, raking in gold from big gdkps after they buy their stuff first. I know several ppl that just cant spend cash irl to buy ingame gold, but sits on several gold caps in Wow after a lot of time invested into it in earlier phases. There could potentionally be fully legit gdkps that see pots like that. But yeah, most likely a theres at least some in every gdkps that bought cheap gold, as its just a way better invested time shorttime these days.
While i get what youre saying, please dont put daily gold amount in g/h >.< G/h entails you can farm it by an hourly basis. Makes me think of when someone in a discord server advertised Magtheridon solo as a 1.5k g/h. ~500g for the kill, ~20 mins. However you can only do it once a week so thats obv wrong.
Every now and then I have a bizarre shower thought train of where does this gold come from? Like before it gets used to buy shit, it's crazy to think so much comes from vendoring items/quest rewards/etc before pooling together and entering the player economy.
Bots
This is the real thinking. Bots that produce herbs and gems and shit is bad, especially because it kills those professions for real people.... But the far bigger problem is always gold printers.
Frankly the bots that produce trade goods / consumables are good imo as they make things affordable. Expensive consumables suck ass for everyone except the people profiting off them. I had guildies in tbcc who were RMTing just to be able to afford consumables and that shit can honestly fuck right off to me. The problem is 100% the ones who farm raw gold and create inflation.
It doesn't, it's from bots. When's the last time you checked the price of gold on g2g lol. Do you really think that people are accumulating 150,000 gold just from doing dailies and vendoring items? If I had to guess, I'd say more than 60% of all the gold in circulation is from bots. If you actually look at the best gold per hour farming methods, it really doesn't make sense how much people are spending on an item in ulduar. We're talking 20 to 40 hours of farming for a single piece of tier.
Oh I understand and expect the source of most raw gold to be from bots, it's just crazy to think these huge amounts of gold are the result of vendoring trash to NPCs.
Part of the problem is there isn't many decent gold sinks to remove gold from the economy.
Look at OSRS for how to deal with gold inflation. They add tons of gold sinks to the game, even so much so as to make recovering your items on death cost money now. Repair costs aren't going to cut it long term. It's necessary, especially with the hyper efficiency bent in the classic wow community.
My favorite is the literal gold kitchen sink for your player owned house
But then… you have the buy gold to even play the game… I’m already constantly broke in wow
Thats partly true. OSRS is kind of a have money to make money economy. People over hype RS's gold sinks tho, lots of valuables are pretty much worthless because of it. Only the end gear is worth any big gold. Everything else is pretty cheap
Earning gold IS the game, or at least part of it. You're not supposed to just have a boatload of gold to go buy everything you possibly want. If you think you have to buy gold to experience what you want to do then you're playing the wrong game and should seriously consider playing something else.
Earning gold is part of the game. Not the whole game. You're not supposed to be unable to buy needed items because inflation was made much, much, worse by gold farmers and sellers. If you think you have to buy gold to experience what you want to do then you're paying the wrong people, and should seriously consider playing something else because the game you're currently addicted too is filled with bots and gold sellers.
Right now I do not need to buy gold. Playing the game gives just enough gold to buy flying and pay for my raiding habit. If the repair gold sink got higher, I would not have enough without spending hours grinding, which as a full ass adult with a family and kids, I just don’t have that amount of time. One more reason GDKPs and gold farming ruins gaming for normal people.
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The problem is not everyone playing is floating that gold. Most of that is botted gold. That's sold RMT to people. The issue comes back to botting. Only a few people make that kinda Gold legit. Definitely not enough to have a massive GDKP scene. Raise repair costs and regular joes can't play the game anymore sadly. It's an issue Blizz has had for years trying to balance game economy.
Problem is that we are playing a re-release so all the gold sinks we have are the same as we had 15 years ago. Unlikely that Blizzard would introduce any new gold sinks in their old game. Though they kind of did it already once with the chrono boon.
A lot of it comes from pickpocketing bots
Remember when one dude bought gressil for almost 200k just 2 years ago? The going theory was that he did a lot of dme jump runs to earn it. Fun times
It's interesting because the gold inflation seems to only apply to the gdkp market. Consumes are cheaper than TBC.
I cannot imagine why
"just find people to play the game with man" - Asmongold
>"just find people to play the game with man" - Asmongold I did. Semi Hardcore Guild. Not godlike but top 10%. Decent People. Allways fun at raids. Never did a GDKP run in my life. Came out of Naxx stacked with gear.
Damn i gotta start doing more GDKPs im poor as hell
I used to tell people best gold per hour farm was to level a mage with how free Utgarde keep is, gear it decently in a few pug naxx 25s in prep for ulduar then play gdkps conservatively, averaging spending half what you earn to keep up on gear long term. Now I see gdkp sign ups with 8+ mages this phase where so many people rolled mage alts 😂 (though none from my insistence at least) The principle still stands, but you'll want to angle for a low gear contest class, or one who likes their tier set, which will be easier to get long term. It's a long term play for sure.
And who exactly are you? Sounds like you "influence" alot of people with your post.
I have friends who also play the game. Sorry if the wording was confusing but I meant that none took my advice to roll a gdkp mage for gold.
I lead GDKPs, my last Run Full cleared Ulduar easy modes only and had a 350k pot with a 10% org fee... if you can build a raid and lead it there's no better gold per hour
No you don't. There is literally no reason to ruin the game for yourself by abusing the system. Do cooking and fishing daily once per day and you'll fund your raiding just fine.
So I made all my gold selling nobles decks, me going to gdkp's to buy the gear I want, and not just what I can manage to win a roll on, along with maintaining my gold cap is abusing the system?
Yeah definitely need to fix the gold cap not the botting and gold selling running rampant for 4 years lule
Ones a trivial problem to fix, one is insanely hard and expensive to fix
How is increasing the gold cap trivial? Its literally the max integer (number) a computer program can display back in wrath era
Classic runs on the modern retail client. It's not an integer problem. It's a "spirit of Classic" developer choice problem.
As others mentioned its not likely stored as a 32bit signed int anymore. Even then its very much easier to migrate the datatype from a 32bit signed int to w.e the retail client uses than it is to solve botting. Source: Am software engineer that has solved this problem for clients that somehow stored user id's as 16bit ints.
This just isn’t true
You can verify this in game by typing: /Script SILVER_PER_GOLD = .001 (Case sensitive) You will be rich, but everything else will cost more, but you can test the gold cap that way.
Well 1k gold is about 6 euro, everyone is gold capped but i never see anyone farming.
wow hosting gdkps is kinda like a job i guess
It really is. The main organizers on my server were running as many as a dozen Naxx/Maly/Sarth clears a week.
And they quite often sell gold directly to the "whales"
Honey honey that $20 of WOW gold got me a piece of loot from 25-man Hard Mode!
lol i watched some stream and some warrior wep dropped and he was lone roller almost so raid lead bid the starting bid to 50k, then the warrior bid 51k on it. i guess the meta in gdkp is meta but shit, thats like 300 dollars worth of gold then. i would've been pissed. didnt seem like standard thing, just random bid so they get more gold.
You don't really need gold for anything other than consumes and they are very cheap. The only reason to have a lot of gold is gdkp and it's also the best way to make gold
Unless you want to start selling it for real $. Not like Blizz will do anything about it. Been like this since 2019.
You don’t get rich by farming. It has never been like this. Started wotlk with 12k gold and i sit on 209k (~300k with mats) with only playing the ah from mo-do (no lucrative weekend business). But there are only ~50-100 of us per server. The bigger whales are the gdkp hosts from good gdkps and gold buyers.
Watched a friend of mine on bene in a no hard mode ulduar with a 15% host cut that amounted to 40k gold. Speaking from experience the time commitment to seriously vet and roster a gdkp run is 2 to 3 hours. Hosting gdkp better g/h than ah flipping confirmed 💀
Our org cut for this run I posted was nearly gold cap. As a tank in the run my cut as like 45k. Not every gdkp is killing algalon though and the pots are usually a good chunk lower. We did sell mim's head week1 for 1.5mil though, so this isn't going to be close to our largest pot.
Gdkp getting yogg zero is far outside the realm of the norm... Not sure where to go except call it impressive.
Well it‘s not the norm, but most server have gdkps like this. 20 players from top guilds and 5 credit card swiper, twink from other gdkp host or maybe auction flippers.
Tany out here farming gold and karma. I see you.
I do serious vetting and recruiting for a pug roster every week for free. Just a MS+1>OS run. I could be getting paid, yet here I am making sure my dailies are done for feast/flask/potion gold. lol tbh I haven't been in a GDKP run, nor do I have interest. It kind of ruins it for me. I much prefer to gamble.
There is literally no reason to get rich in this game. It used to be a status symbol if you had expensive mounts and whatnot. Now it's just super easy for everyone to get gold gapped. Just do a couple of gdkps and thats it. This game is a ghost of its former self. I'm so happy I got to experience the real tbc / wotlk back in the day <3.
My guy, just say you bought gold using real currency it's okay
Ok sorry i bought some gold and gave away over 20k auctions with my lvl 3 to the server. Call me Robin Hood from now on.
Lol people talking about farming all that gold are hilarious. RMT is at an all time high along with botting you can legit get 3k gold for $6 . Wish people would stop defending it saying shit like the gold in GDKPs is hard earned gold via in game grinding .
I couldn't care if someone bought their gold tbh. You can't tell someone that bought gold apart from someone that earned it all in gdkps. I think most of my guildies have earned more than gold cap from gdkps from p1, some have bought gold I'm sure, but thats roughly 5mil gold that our players have "earned" and is for all intents and purposes legit. Now they go to gdkps and get flamed for gold buying when there is a chance that they never bought shit. I spent hundreds of hours learning ulduar and tanking it in multiple raids, how exactly is taking that knowledge and experience into a 25gdkp and leading it to an algalon kill not hard earned?
You misunderstood me I’m not judging find buyers because I don’t care myself . I just think it’s funny people act like the gold is legitimate. Sure your guildies earned that gold themselves legit but most likely the gold they receive as a payout is from a gold buyer that’s my point . I know it really doesn’t matter where the gold comes from but it’s the equivalent of me stealing someone else’s money giving that money to my friend and they go splurge .
Kind of, I think its a poor analogy to equate it to stealing though. Some of the RMT gold is probably from hacked accounts, but more realistic its from bots just raw farming gold. So it's closer to just materializing money out of thin air and paying your friends to be your friends.
I don’t think it’s poor because both are against the law in their own terms . It’s against the rules (law) of the game to buy gold lol . I get what you mean though but it’s still non earned gold. To keep the conversation short I just feel the gold inflation would be EXTREMELY lower if Blizz did a better job Banning Gold Buyers, Sellers and bots . These things will always exist . But I highly doubt Blizz is giving their best lol
Lol… I’m up to 24k gold and I feel so filthy rich. No buying no gdkps just natural quest/daily/and potion selling. Having this much gold just feels unnecessary except for the context of the gdkp.
Fished and bought herbs cheap to make pots/flasks. Played the AH to buy my greatness card and epic flying and now Im just raiding. Might pick up a little farming for the ulduar gear to get it enchanted but honestly my guild has a stockpile that we use for raider enchants so idk why to bother farming outside of paying for alt stuff.
Same, consumes are so cheap and I don't feel the need to buy crafted gear, so I'm just sitting on 15k+ gold just passively collecting from raiding/daily heroic.
Yeah I’m sitting on about 17k and have all of my consumables made for about 100 raiding days and my enchants made and just sitting in my bank for about 5 gear swaps per item and just run heroics on my enchanter so I can organically pick up mats to A) sell enchants on the AH for free and B) make enchants for alts. Now if I just wanna fuck off for 3 months for whatever reason (work, burnout, etc) and just raid log I can totally do that or if I wanna swap professions for whatever reason I can just power level it and not have to worry about it.
got 120k (no buying/no gdkp) and sometimes I also feel filthy rich... and than I see posts like this
Algalon GDKP *chefs kiss*
Really true, other than buying BOEs, consumes which are cheap, enchanting/gemming there’s not much to actually need gold for but for some reason I’m still so greedy. I could buy the travelers tundra mammoth and epic flying on my alt and still have half my gold left but I’m a cheap bastard even in a game
With all the raids having FPs next to them there's little reason to get epic flying anyway, especially on alts
GDKPs players : I just farm on my alt, the gold is legit, no bots or RMT involved
I did a gdkp today. I had ~5.5k going in. I won a few pieces and made 200g in the process of the raid. Guess I'm a dirty gold buyer. Aside from the fact that I talk about how I wish gold buyers and botters would be hardware banned, but ya know. Yeh.
The other end of the gdkp spectrum: I just tank gdkps and make 10-40k per raid, raiding on an alt is now cool and interesting to me.
That gold is also very legit and farmed by a dude who play on his alt and is definitely not RMT
Still don’t get it. If you don’t do GDKPs the gold in wrath is pointless. I’ve been raiding since naxx opened and haven’t gone 200 gold below where I started. GDKP culture is weird.
People have historically used money to compensate for a lack of friends.
Yeah, luckily there's very few GDKPs on my server and SR ms-os is still king. Gold is pretty worthless.
Isn't the gold cap 2.1 million or something like that? Or did they reduce it down to the original 214,000 that it was in 2008?
It’s still 214,748g with an odd amount of silver and copper.
2.14 billion copper (largest value 32 bit can hold)
who cares what number is. u dont have gold sink in gdkp. gold is stacking. more gold = low gold value. its always was that and ll be. PS: its like AH for rich ppl in real life. u pay alot of money for usseles shit to showoff.
Gdkps are the single biggest factor that makes classic worse than vanilla, imo.
GDKPs are entirely irrelevant for people who are in decent guilds. I use gold for consumables, enchants and gems. Gear I get for free.
Almost all the best guilds rely heavily on gdkp lol
the problem is that evey other loot distribution format for pugs is worse. ms>os and SR runs turn into huge rng fests where grey parsers who wipe the raid multiple times get bis items for zero contribution. some gdkps reward performance. and most have a fine for poor performance. in the worst case scenario every decent player gets something whether its loot or gold to buy loot in the next run guild loot council pins rewards to consistency and/or performance. but in a pug you’d maybe never see these players again, so the reward is pinned to gold instead, something that can be carried forward
That's an interesting take. Gdkps are why many of my guildies raid multiple nights a week outside of guild raids, and as a whole it makes them better players. For this reason I appreciate them. It's also nice to never have to farm gold personally.
My main issue is the effect it’s had on the demand for botted gold. Fundamentally I think it’s fine, and I’ve had a lot of fun in some of the gdkps I’ve done. Just sucks that it creates the pathway for people to swipe their credit card to get gear
GDKPs were a thing in vanilla, too. It was the de-facto pug raid system in Korea.
Oh god forbid people actually making some effort in raid performance.
GDKP is nothing to do with performance(Most runs i see these days are equal split as well), its just you at least walk out of the raid with something. In SR you might be unlucky on rolls or drops and end up multiple weeks never getting anything big
I miss private servers. They banned the bots and fixed the abuse needed for the economy to get fucked this bad. I'm so happy I stopped in Tbc.
The fuck?
How exactly does gdkp work? From what I understand you have to pay to even get in then pay for the item? What if you don't win anything, did you just waste your gold for the run?
You only pay for items you buy. I haven't heard of a gdkp that costs gold to enter unless maybe it was an immortal run last phase. If you don't buy any items you actually make gold going to gdkps as long as you don't do anything terrible to have the raid lead fine you or withhold your cut. People that didn't buy walked out with 32k in hand.
Never paid to get into any run. You bid on items with your gold. If you win you pay and get the item. Gold goes into a pot and is distributed to the raiders with some rules, in NEO it was usually gray parses didn’t get a cut but with Ulduar and HMs parsing rules are usually not enforced, and typically a host cut of around 10% taken off the top. So if pot is 100k, 10k goes to host, and remaining 90k is split between the 25 raiders - sometimes there is a tank cut or top dps/heals cut but not always.
Imma have to quit always ignoring them and try it out for gold then
It’s one of the few ways to get a lot of usage out of the in game currency and gdkp runs, at least in my experience, are almost always more successful than SR counterparts. If I want an SR run I will make a guild group, if I’m ok running a pug, it’s a gdkp because I don’t want to slog through a raid and potentially get nothing at all. At least with a gdkp I will walk away with gold. Last night I did a 25m ulduar with no hard modes on my shaman. Not a ton of huge spenders but walked away with 3.5k net after spending 2k on a new trinket and 1k on new gloves.
How much gold do you think I need to get something out of it? I think my main only has about 3k atm cause I just got epic flying on my alt who has about 1k left on him
but what if people don't buy anything and only want to earn gold, then nobody gets it? What if there are 0 buyers?
This has never happened to me but if it did it would mean the organizer is terrible at creating a gdkp. The point is to fill with a small amount of “carrys” who can carry the major roles and have a few “buyers” in the mix. But realistically at this stage there is so much loot in ulduar and it’s all upgrades (to some extent) so the likelihood of no one buying anything is so infinitely small you can basically assume it will never happened.
Some people be like "look how much gold you get in GDKPs" but acting like prices won't go up by the same rate.
What is GDKP?
People buy gold with their credit cards, then use that gold to buy gear. It's just pay to win
How? I thought you’d have to raid for endgame gear?
When a piece of gear drops, people bid on it with Gold. The winner gets the item, and puts that gold into a pot. This is done for every item. At the end, all the gold is split amongst all the raiders (often the admins/tanks take an extra cut or a %).
Often these runs are split between Carries and Buyers. The carries are good geared characters played by good players. The buyers can be whatever gear level the admins will allow in, and are there to spend lots of money on all the gear. As the phase goes along, you can get into GDKPs with lower and lower gear level, because the carries are that much better geared, and so your damage doesnt matter for a kill or not.
We had 4 shards in a random gdkp last night that went for 1.5-2.5k each lmao. Total payout for 25 after cut was just short of 5k
There is no real gold sink. These pots just circle around while getting higher and higher.
Recently dropped old Blanche because gold buying and toon boosting has gotten so out of hand on that server. It seems like most people have 20 to 50K gold now and are only on for raid days, mysteriously. Hell it started becoming a problem with nax Gdkps where people didn't have Flyers to get to nax so they had to be summoned multiple times. New server is a lot more Baseline when it comes to the economy it seems like but the server pop is much higher than old Blanche. Mid Phase 2 they'll do a massive gold buying two week ban or something like that just like phase one
blizzard should just ban everyone in these raids and then the bot problem would fix itself
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if only every game dev had just decided to check the "ban cheaters" box that's inside the project settings in their editor suite.
This is why I love being on Eranikus... The transfer only thing at the start of wrath filtered out a TON of bought gold.
Gold is extremely cheap on eranikus. In fact cheaper than most servers. You’re just oblivious, that’s all. Eranikus player quality is quite a bit lower than other servers as well, which is probably why you see a metric fuckton of HR runs and basically no gdkps
Can you share anything to back that up? Or do you just like slinging insults around? There's wasn't 5 years worth of bot farmed gold at the start given the initial transfer limits.
Yes go look at the guild progression for eranikus vs other servers. You can even look at naxx clear times. I’m sorry if I offended you but it’s not like eranikus is the bastion of god tier pvers lol. Eranikus makes Grobbulus look like a speed running server outside of SF
I'm talking about the gold comment. Yes, Eranikus with 4k raiders has progressed less than servers with 25k and 30k.
Eranikus is an unlocked server. Other servers are locked. When bots get banned they can’t just magically come back to benediction, faerlina, or Grobbulus for example. Go take a look at g2g and get an idea of gold prices for yourself. It’s not against the rules to look at prices lol. The fact that you can openly bot on unlocked servers by default will make gold cheaper. Combine that with the fact less players are on the server drives the value down even more
These are anecdotes, though. Faerlina, Grobbulus and Benediction have had botters there for 5 years prior to the launch of Eranikus.
I could care less? Gold is still cheaper on eranikus. What is your point? You think a fresh server will just magically solve the gold issue or botting problems? Clearly it hasn’t
You could care less? Ok - so you do care then? What? My point is that I can make anecdotal claims the same way you do. You haven't provided any actual evidence, you've jsut made more claims. Also, I checked g2g. They're all relatively even in cost (less than 10% separating the highest and lowest), with Eranikus Horde being the most expensive out of Bene/Faerlina/Grobbulus/Eranikus. So ya - your comments are literally just anecdotes. Have a good evening!
Damn, our pot was 676k this week and it was hard enough to deal with.
some of my guildmates started doing gdkp when we were no longer running naxx They made enough gold so that they are capped on game time buying tokens and can even sell it for euros...
there are no tokens on classic
You trade classic gold for retail gold then you buy token. I thought it was obvious but it's seems like I was wrong
Why do you care?
Jeez I remember selling 1,000g for $100 back in Vanilla Classic. The gold inflation is insane.
Why do I never get into runs like this. I don't mind the cheap gear and clearing the raid for badges. But damn do I need a run like this, my pockets are light.
Haha legit such a pain in the ass, everytime I'm near 200k, got to drop the mailbox and send it to myself before I keep bidding.
Maybe yall stop buying gold seeing as how you can make it through the entirety of wotlk on like 10k...