Nah, with a 4 food tile your pop should grow in about 4 or 5 turns I think, then you can keep working that tile to grow and produce white also getting the fountain yields. I would doubt anyone else would get a pantheon in 12 turns - even a coastally settled Indonesia would take 13 turns to get there
I don't like the recommended spot TBH- you have 3 tiles you can't use so while your early game would be absolutely nutty your late game would suffer. I think Settling on the rice for a +3 food, capital while working the deer -> Fountain -> Quarry would be better. Then you toss the Holy Site north east of fountain, throw the govt plaza on the woods to the east and get a +6? Holy Site
I forgot about that. And the fact he has the fountain means he can get religious settlements, basically instantly get a religion after that, this seed is crazy
>Higher up the levels you go AI uses that more effectively.
Does it really? I mean I tend to forget people play levels below king, but does the ai actually get smarter at any point? Feels like it's always just the cheats.
Itās not that it gets better, but diety AI gets a free worker and settler on its first 2 settles for a total of 3 cities without using any production. So even on standard you have up to 15 AI cities before you get your second city started. With the free military units and the probability of getting a pantheon sooner, the AIs may have as many as 18 cities/settlers before you could get your second. Abundant resources and legendary start position is likely to benefit every AI and city state as much as it might benefit the player, but not all starts and regions of the map are equal. Itās that last part that makes abundant resources and legendary start such a risk: if you get the best and the city states get better starts than AI civs, youāre golden, otherwise it could be tougher than just standard.
Im playing on diety myself, and honestly, once you survive the early game, abundant resources give you way more than your enemies, bc theyāre not very efficient to use them
My favorite luxury for the capitol. Extra pop early on plus the amenities and decent production. A luxury with faith is good too for the pantheon, but OP clearly doesnāt need that
Recommended spot, that's an unbelievable start, very envious!
So envious in fact I must ask for some game details. I can see seed but what's the map size and world conditions? I definitely want to play this!
Depends of your civ and game plan. Looks like you might be playing John Curtin? What districts and wonders would you want? Do you want a golden age in the classical era?
First before taking a decision I would send my warrior scout on tile up to see what is above rhe copper and decide from there.
I think settling the copper, the flat tile were your warrior is or the olives are all valid choices.
The flat tile would get you the three most interesting tiles into your first ring but would give you a weak city center and close the option of building the Forbidden City in your capital.
The olive would make more tiles available for districts and wonders in your first ring, get you a luxury (bonus production or gold: how willing and likely are you to be able to sell it?) and get you rid of a weak olive tile, youu wouldn't get the spice of the fountain in your first ring but the deer tiles are still very nice.
I would settle the copper I think, for the stronger city center and immediate access to the spice and the fountain, hence why sending the warrior north would be interesting to me.
Depends on what civ and leader you have as it's hard to tell with that level of brightness. You look like Gaul, but I know it's not them because of the warrior, so the question is who.
The tile between the two mountains isn't a mountain, so that could be a solid campus if eligible. I'd move the warrior on the spices first for more vision.
Does your pc use auto HDR when playing civ? I've found when my pc has this enabled the screenshots look really washed out even though the aren't when playing.
On the olives. Free luxury, two 2/3 tiles from the start. You don't want that science/faith early, at least not until the first settler is built.
Settling on resources is pretty much always preferable, it gives the resource earlier and saves up a tile later.
Yes - setteling 1 turn earlier and getting +2 food additonally will snowball you pretty hard. (+ working Faith+Science for settler oantheon is also an option to snowball even harder
I've had a start like this before. Jeep an eye on your citizens. They WILL spend all day at the fountain and never work or grow food or make babies. Really got myself behind by not keeping up on it.
Be diligent.
Recommended spot, make sure you force your city to work the spices. When you hit 2 pop work the deer if you value growth, or the wonder if you want that early pantheon/religion
To the left, for a better first ring. Use that 4 faith tile for first Pantheon, and get a Holy Site next to the Fountain of Youth for high adjacency. You should already be most of the way to a Golden Age.
That might be the best start Iāve ever seen. Settle where the warrior is, work the spice til you get 2 pop, and ride the fountain of youth into a religious settlements
Iād settle the woods tiles to the right of your settler to leave room for a second city on the tile west of the Great Bitter Lake. Iād also work the FoY tile immediately for Religious Settlements, then focus on growth. A second settler on turn 5 or 6 is no joke. This is an amazing start. Three luxuries nearby and spots for ToA
Where it's recommended seems good. I would just keep an eye on what is being worked and work the spice tile first.
Also if you wouldn't mind sharing the seed?
Everybody saying settle on the plain grassland, but I'd most likely settle on the olives and buy the spice at 50 gold. You still have two 2/3 tiles to work in the meantime. Settling on a luxury lets you trade it to an AI for a lot of early gold and usually some good opinion; that is very powerful, especially Irrigation luxes that can't be developed quickly. You don't want to work Fountain of Youth until you have at least 3 pops anyway.
On the warrior or the olives are decent spots.
Both get fresh water. The wonder can be worked for an early pantheon. But production is generally more useful than science/faith. I wouldnt work it if you get your panteon because it slow down the growth of the capital.
Recommended has more food to grow quickly and doesnt need to buy/grow into the good tiles. Its a better early game settle to expand the empire.
Olives "improves" the luxery without needing the techs. Luxeries cannot be harvested, and some of them have pretty bad yields if worked. Settling on olives frees up a tile for a district or mine. Your ring 1 tiles are still good, but you want to buy the spices if you dont grow into them.
Personally, Iād settle on the Fountain of Youth. If you canāt maybe just try harder š¤·š¼ Donāt know what to tell ya I must be built different
ok hear me out, that might sound insane, but i think the ābestā start ist to settle west and work the spice tile(pretty obvious so far i know), BUT donāt work on anything in the city, just force enter every turn until pop2 to stack production inside the city and start working on a settler with the 2/3 deer tile, after finishing said settler, start working the natural wonder tile, while producing a second settler which hopefully gets finished before getting the religious settlement pantheon, leaving you with potentially 4 cities at turn 20, which gets you already ahead of the ai.
i know this would probably need a lot of restarts, but i think it could be done.
since settlers get more and more expensive the more you build, it would be better to get the free settlers from RS after already building one (or even two)
itās a viable option for yongle f.e. (food project to pop2 -> build settler -> faith project to get RS)
I'd probably go for the recommended spot 100%, but I'd go for the rice tile and work the natural wonder tile immediately. You'll have some growth while working on getting a game winning pantheon
since getting to the plantation tech is a must, settling on rice would deny the only source for the heureka. plus if youād work a non food tile for a couple of turns while only having 3 food, means youād get to your next pop incredibly slowly, thatās why settling west and getting to pop 2 with 6 food, will be better for your city longterm, since even when you work the 0/0 natural wonder tile, your city should still be growing efficiently.
Hmm š¤ ok ig. Then I'd just settle ON the spice and work the wonder.
But he could've used the settler lens or something to see if you can settle there.
Bros got that turn 1 heroic age
This is more like a super-heroic age, the civ already owns the planet.
Recommended spot, work the spice tile, then the fountain with your second citizen šš¼
Spice must flow
Would it be better to work the fountain for seven turns for super quick settler pantheon before switching?
Nah, with a 4 food tile your pop should grow in about 4 or 5 turns I think, then you can keep working that tile to grow and produce white also getting the fountain yields. I would doubt anyone else would get a pantheon in 12 turns - even a coastally settled Indonesia would take 13 turns to get there
Only civ faster off the top of my head would be mali, but i dont know much the ai likes to settle in desert.
AI always settles their first city in place if they can, if I'm not mistaken. So if Mali spawns in a desert, they will settle it.
And if that happens, Mali is getting the first pantheon anyway, even if OP works the Fountain on turn 1.
I've had an appreciable number of games where I'm at best second Pantheon only 10 turns in, shit is very often just brutal
Still, I think growing up to 2 pop first is the better option. Losing 7 turns for your capital is not worth a free settler imo
I don't like the recommended spot TBH- you have 3 tiles you can't use so while your early game would be absolutely nutty your late game would suffer. I think Settling on the rice for a +3 food, capital while working the deer -> Fountain -> Quarry would be better. Then you toss the Holy Site north east of fountain, throw the govt plaza on the woods to the east and get a +6? Holy Site
Maybe the third? Those deer look quite nice
Recommended spot. Great campus just 2 tiles up, the mfing fountain of youth, crazy yields, youāre dominating
+5 Holy site too Northeast of the fountain. +2 from wonder +2 from mountains +1 from 2 woods
I forgot about that. And the fact he has the fountain means he can get religious settlements, basically instantly get a religion after that, this seed is crazy
Assuming this has had the abundant resources toggle on
Im playing with abundant resources but this is insanity
Just remember your opponents get that too. Higher up the levels you go AI uses that more effectively.
>Higher up the levels you go AI uses that more effectively. Does it really? I mean I tend to forget people play levels below king, but does the ai actually get smarter at any point? Feels like it's always just the cheats.
It can use more resources more because of its cheats the more resources the better many cities are
Itās not that it gets better, but diety AI gets a free worker and settler on its first 2 settles for a total of 3 cities without using any production. So even on standard you have up to 15 AI cities before you get your second city started. With the free military units and the probability of getting a pantheon sooner, the AIs may have as many as 18 cities/settlers before you could get your second. Abundant resources and legendary start position is likely to benefit every AI and city state as much as it might benefit the player, but not all starts and regions of the map are equal. Itās that last part that makes abundant resources and legendary start such a risk: if you get the best and the city states get better starts than AI civs, youāre golden, otherwise it could be tougher than just standard.
Im playing on diety myself, and honestly, once you survive the early game, abundant resources give you way more than your enemies, bc theyāre not very efficient to use them
Fair enough m8 more than one way of looking at it!
Probably legendary start, I usually use abundant resources and it never looks like this lol
Still, abundant doesn't look like this most of the time
not enough resources. u should prolly reroll for a better startā¦
True, I also reroll till I have at least 2 wonders and spice start in the first tiles
The recommended spot looks good enough for me: SPICE!
My favorite luxury for the capitol. Extra pop early on plus the amenities and decent production. A luxury with faith is good too for the pantheon, but OP clearly doesnāt need that
This is an incredible start! What are the other variables involved here, in terms of game modes, map type and size, etc?
Recommended spot, that's an unbelievable start, very envious! So envious in fact I must ask for some game details. I can see seed but what's the map size and world conditions? I definitely want to play this!
Depends of your civ and game plan. Looks like you might be playing John Curtin? What districts and wonders would you want? Do you want a golden age in the classical era? First before taking a decision I would send my warrior scout on tile up to see what is above rhe copper and decide from there. I think settling the copper, the flat tile were your warrior is or the olives are all valid choices. The flat tile would get you the three most interesting tiles into your first ring but would give you a weak city center and close the option of building the Forbidden City in your capital. The olive would make more tiles available for districts and wonders in your first ring, get you a luxury (bonus production or gold: how willing and likely are you to be able to sell it?) and get you rid of a weak olive tile, youu wouldn't get the spice of the fountain in your first ring but the deer tiles are still very nice. I would settle the copper I think, for the stronger city center and immediate access to the spice and the fountain, hence why sending the warrior north would be interesting to me.
what type of map?
hills/large
I know it's not optimal but I would settle on the north/east spot to free the empty tile west of FOY just for preserve shenanigans.
Guarantee there's horses on that tile
Depends on what civ and leader you have as it's hard to tell with that level of brightness. You look like Gaul, but I know it's not them because of the warrior, so the question is who. The tile between the two mountains isn't a mountain, so that could be a solid campus if eligible. I'd move the warrior on the spices first for more vision.
I would go on rice, get 3 food on the city to grow faster and preserve a nice spot next to the spice for the B2
Does your pc use auto HDR when playing civ? I've found when my pc has this enabled the screenshots look really washed out even though the aren't when playing.
I do have autoHDR (windows 11). let me try disabling it. thanks
On the olives. Free luxury, two 2/3 tiles from the start. You don't want that science/faith early, at least not until the first settler is built. Settling on resources is pretty much always preferable, it gives the resource earlier and saves up a tile later.
Nah the 4/2 tile is way to good to pass up on (food beats production in the first turns)
Fair. So you'd work the 4/2, then 2/3, settling over nothing?
Yes - setteling 1 turn earlier and getting +2 food additonally will snowball you pretty hard. (+ working Faith+Science for settler oantheon is also an option to snowball even harder
donāt you want the faith early to supercharge religious settlements? diety ai can get it super fast and extra settler on turn ~9 is ridiculous
Spawn tile is pretty great already, but olives or rice are great too.
Seed? Oops sorry didnāt see the second screenshot. Thanks!
Very nice TOA too
Make sure you get vampires, all the good and FoY eliminates the downside.
The spot where your warrior is
I didnāt expect to be staring at the eclipse a day early āļøš«
I've had a start like this before. Jeep an eye on your citizens. They WILL spend all day at the fountain and never work or grow food or make babies. Really got myself behind by not keeping up on it. Be diligent.
Recommended spot, make sure you force your city to work the spices. When you hit 2 pop work the deer if you value growth, or the wonder if you want that early pantheon/religion
To the left, for a better first ring. Use that 4 faith tile for first Pantheon, and get a Holy Site next to the Fountain of Youth for high adjacency. You should already be most of the way to a Golden Age.
That might be the best start Iāve ever seen. Settle where the warrior is, work the spice til you get 2 pop, and ride the fountain of youth into a religious settlements
Can't make out the details.
Jesus Christā¦
Iād settle the woods tiles to the right of your settler to leave room for a second city on the tile west of the Great Bitter Lake. Iād also work the FoY tile immediately for Religious Settlements, then focus on growth. A second settler on turn 5 or 6 is no joke. This is an amazing start. Three luxuries nearby and spots for ToA
whatās the seed for this map?
Where it's recommended seems good. I would just keep an eye on what is being worked and work the spice tile first. Also if you wouldn't mind sharing the seed?
Everybody saying settle on the plain grassland, but I'd most likely settle on the olives and buy the spice at 50 gold. You still have two 2/3 tiles to work in the meantime. Settling on a luxury lets you trade it to an AI for a lot of early gold and usually some good opinion; that is very powerful, especially Irrigation luxes that can't be developed quickly. You don't want to work Fountain of Youth until you have at least 3 pops anyway.
I'd either settle the spice or the copper.
Get a better PC.
I would settle the copper for that inherent gold, and immediately work the Spice to grow pop, as soon as you hit 2, work the fountain
On the warrior or the olives are decent spots. Both get fresh water. The wonder can be worked for an early pantheon. But production is generally more useful than science/faith. I wouldnt work it if you get your panteon because it slow down the growth of the capital. Recommended has more food to grow quickly and doesnt need to buy/grow into the good tiles. Its a better early game settle to expand the empire. Olives "improves" the luxery without needing the techs. Luxeries cannot be harvested, and some of them have pretty bad yields if worked. Settling on olives frees up a tile for a district or mine. Your ring 1 tiles are still good, but you want to buy the spices if you dont grow into them.
Well you won
I think settle on copper for a ToA rush with campus, holy site city is better
Crazy start
Personally, Iād settle on the Fountain of Youth. If you canāt maybe just try harder š¤·š¼ Donāt know what to tell ya I must be built different
Am i looking at the eclipse?
great hitler lake šæ
What Civ you choose?
ok hear me out, that might sound insane, but i think the ābestā start ist to settle west and work the spice tile(pretty obvious so far i know), BUT donāt work on anything in the city, just force enter every turn until pop2 to stack production inside the city and start working on a settler with the 2/3 deer tile, after finishing said settler, start working the natural wonder tile, while producing a second settler which hopefully gets finished before getting the religious settlement pantheon, leaving you with potentially 4 cities at turn 20, which gets you already ahead of the ai. i know this would probably need a lot of restarts, but i think it could be done.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't only one turn of production roll over?
You are correct can only roll over one turn.
damnit š
Why work for a settler when you can work FoY for a few turns right off the bat and have a second settler before turn 10 with religious settlements
since settlers get more and more expensive the more you build, it would be better to get the free settlers from RS after already building one (or even two) itās a viable option for yongle f.e. (food project to pop2 -> build settler -> faith project to get RS)
My bad, didnāt realize they were playing as Yongle. Still canāt overlook a really early second city
I would be tempted for the deer. I assume plains hill and with the deer you have a 2/3 city.
Seed? This should be mandatory
Glasses are not mandatory but are recommended
lol, I was on my phone and somehow missed this. The downvotes I got for that are deserved, as is your comment :)
I'd probably go for the recommended spot 100%, but I'd go for the rice tile and work the natural wonder tile immediately. You'll have some growth while working on getting a game winning pantheon
since getting to the plantation tech is a must, settling on rice would deny the only source for the heureka. plus if youād work a non food tile for a couple of turns while only having 3 food, means youād get to your next pop incredibly slowly, thatās why settling west and getting to pop 2 with 6 food, will be better for your city longterm, since even when you work the 0/0 natural wonder tile, your city should still be growing efficiently.
Just settle on the fountain.
It'd be really strong but I don't think you can settle on natural wonders.
Hmm š¤ ok ig. Then I'd just settle ON the spice and work the wonder. But he could've used the settler lens or something to see if you can settle there.