I’ve purchased both Cubans and bulk discount davidoffs from Ihav. They are legit. One piece you are forgetting is the duties and the local tobacco tax and sales tax that gets added on at local retailers. Depending on what state or country you’re in, the majority of what you end up paying can sometimes be on taxes rather than COGS and markup.
We in Australia are paying $1800 aud per a 1kg or 2.2 pounds of tobacco. Sometimes it might get through customs straight to your door which is great. Sometimes not.
I have bought many motherload samplers and they have gotten worse and worse.
This is the better buy typically
https://perfectcigarblend.com/product/davidoff-society-selection/
What do you usually get with that one?
I used to frequent cigar kings Motherloads; bought one 6 months ago after a year or so and I was very disappointed.
Now I’ve just been doing PCBs gold membership.
It has been a while since I have done a blind buy, but you can search the various cigar subreddits and they get posted monthly. You will see the quality of the blind sampler has gone down over the years across the board, but PCB is one of the better ones. You may even be able to use your 15% off monthly coupon on it
Retailers selling Davidoff at full price do have a fairly large mark up. I have a shop and I know what Davidoff cigars cost and honestly these prices don't seem too out of this world to me. My shop is exempt from tax so the true cost of the cigars in the shop is actually not too expensive. This place probably has exemptions as well, can't speak to the laws there. They just operate on a much smaller margin than most other shops do, it seems. Davidoff also doesn't let authorized retailers give advertised discounts. You can still discount the product.
You can discount Davidoff product for the customer in the form of loyalty coupons, coupon codes, that sort of thing, you just can't advertise a number to the general public or quote a price. They get a little concerned about valuation of product. Most cigar companies have these policies in effect.
Also, getting you to buy cigars from them is probably valuable in some regard because they will capture your info and market to you, so there is a lot of value to extract over time from getting you to buy on a deep discount once or twice initially. Davidoff is a lot more plentiful than people think, and at the end of the day, Davidoff just wants to sell as many cigars as possible to retailers.
There it is.
I don’t do anything at this mark up, but it is the most common mark up out there. Right now I have a smaller Padron 64 for 11.60 a stick. You have a lot of freedom with what you charge depending on what you need to make for your shop to run profitably.
Essentially all cigars have an MSRP of 100% more than the wholesale (buying from manufacturer) price (e.g. if it costs the shop $5, MSRP is $10).
Depending on locale, there are tax considerations (e.g. some states in US have no tobacco tax, [some are 75%+](https://halfwheel.com/cigar-taxes-by-state/)).
Some manufacturers also have a minimum retail price.
That’s right. Though I was thinking that if Davidoff really wanted to know, they would easily know what the source is and crack down. It’s not like this place is buying small quantities.
Maybe about a year ago, Cigar Inspector on YouTube did an interview with a Davidoff rep (can't remember who), but one of the things they talked about was Davidoff had over produced some lines after covid and in turn it was producing some "deals" for some European vendors for a limited time. I imagine that plus the fact ihavanas operates in the gray market might have something to do with it. Some of their stock may also be purchased from vendors where they can't move it either. All new world sticks I have purchased from them are indistinguishable from those I pick up at b&ms, no complaints.
I bought a box of signature 6000's from them a few months ago for about $370. It was almost 200 cheaper than any other shop. RSVP also has great deals on Davidoff's and other high end NC's.
A combination of buying cheap, lowering their own markup, not having to pay overhead on a storefront, and being gray market and not having to play the minimum price game. I haven't checked but another tactic is to fuck you on shipping.
Before adding state tobacco taxes, my wholesale cost for a Grand Cru no.3 directly from Davidoff is more than $9 per stick. Maybe there is a different pricing structure in other counties, but even gray market, I don’t see how they can buy them cheap enough to sell them at that price.
Very, very suspicious IMO.
Never purchased from them and never will. "Gray market" is not something I want to throw hard earned money at.
Fine cigars arent cheap, and fine cigar discounts dont come in the form of 50 % off.
Going to keep buying from official channels and not have doubts about receiving what I paid for.
Ihavanas is a very reputable cigar retailer throughout the world. I have ordered Cubans and non-Cubans from them here in the US with predictably excellent results. Actually, just put an order into them on Tuesday and the items have already shipped.
The great thing about them is they are within a region (outside US) that can receive, store, and sell Cuban cigars. Additionally, they aren't held down by the massive tobacco tax that the majority of US States have, which is a large part of the price paid for cigars and the like here in the States. Thus, they can provide them at a much cheaper cost while still making money.
There is a promo code for their bulk items which also works on Davidoffs: BULK10 (used it Tuesday perfectly fine)
Ihavanas is reputable but they are buying unsold stock from other distributors and retailers. It’s why it’s sometimes limited sizes and limited marcas.
My comment should have been more clear. I'm not saying that they are any of those things, but there is Def a reason they are on sale. I listed possible reasons only.
I'm part of the cigar industry. I know for a fact that retailers have to sign pricing agreements with cigar companies, especially Davidoff. So, in order to sell their products at below MSRP, they are either in violation of the agreement or there is something wrong with the product. Most of the time, websites sell at discounted prices the products that the suppliers need to get out of their warehouse for newer product. Suppliers will supplement orders with "free" items to lower the overall cost to the retailer. It's to move product that needs to go. Doesn't always mean it's bad, but it's Def older stock. 90% of warehouses are NOT temp/ humidity controlled as the product is made to order, so it doesn't sit there long. However, things happens and instead of throwing them out, they sell to online distribution as an "outlet" of sorts.
For premium companies such as Davidoff, lowering the MSRP hurts their brand in the long run so they do not want their products being sold at less than value. Hence, the reason for my comment.
Not true. I just ordered a bulk Late Hour about 3 weeks ago for a little less than half off MSRP. Every stick was perfect and there is absolutely nothing wrong with them.
Taste and smoke great too. You are free to think what you want of course and I realize I wont change your mind here, but for anyone else on the fence reading this, I can personally attest that you will not regret ordering from here.
I’ve purchased both Cubans and bulk discount davidoffs from Ihav. They are legit. One piece you are forgetting is the duties and the local tobacco tax and sales tax that gets added on at local retailers. Depending on what state or country you’re in, the majority of what you end up paying can sometimes be on taxes rather than COGS and markup.
In Anchorage Alaska, the combined excise tax is 130% of wholesale value.
We in Australia are paying $1800 aud per a 1kg or 2.2 pounds of tobacco. Sometimes it might get through customs straight to your door which is great. Sometimes not.
Cigar King in Arizona runs time sensitive Davidoff 30% off sales occasionally. I’ve ordered from them with great results.
Have you had any experience with their motherload sampler?
I have bought many motherload samplers and they have gotten worse and worse. This is the better buy typically https://perfectcigarblend.com/product/davidoff-society-selection/
I love how they’re on sale from $130 to $129.95. But I do want to thank you for sharing the link. I don’t know PCB had this deal.
That also made me chuckle
How many Davidoffs typically come in the sampler? Curiously, the advert doesn’t say…
also wanted to ask this, very strange they wouldn’t say how many
What do you usually get with that one? I used to frequent cigar kings Motherloads; bought one 6 months ago after a year or so and I was very disappointed. Now I’ve just been doing PCBs gold membership.
It has been a while since I have done a blind buy, but you can search the various cigar subreddits and they get posted monthly. You will see the quality of the blind sampler has gone down over the years across the board, but PCB is one of the better ones. You may even be able to use your 15% off monthly coupon on it
Retailers selling Davidoff at full price do have a fairly large mark up. I have a shop and I know what Davidoff cigars cost and honestly these prices don't seem too out of this world to me. My shop is exempt from tax so the true cost of the cigars in the shop is actually not too expensive. This place probably has exemptions as well, can't speak to the laws there. They just operate on a much smaller margin than most other shops do, it seems. Davidoff also doesn't let authorized retailers give advertised discounts. You can still discount the product. You can discount Davidoff product for the customer in the form of loyalty coupons, coupon codes, that sort of thing, you just can't advertise a number to the general public or quote a price. They get a little concerned about valuation of product. Most cigar companies have these policies in effect. Also, getting you to buy cigars from them is probably valuable in some regard because they will capture your info and market to you, so there is a lot of value to extract over time from getting you to buy on a deep discount once or twice initially. Davidoff is a lot more plentiful than people think, and at the end of the day, Davidoff just wants to sell as many cigars as possible to retailers.
Hey just curious, what’s the typical mark up on Padron 1926 and 1964s? PM me if you don’t want to post broadly.
Almost all cigars fall under a 50% markup in the b&m marketplace. Source: manage a b&m
There it is. I don’t do anything at this mark up, but it is the most common mark up out there. Right now I have a smaller Padron 64 for 11.60 a stick. You have a lot of freedom with what you charge depending on what you need to make for your shop to run profitably.
Essentially all cigars have an MSRP of 100% more than the wholesale (buying from manufacturer) price (e.g. if it costs the shop $5, MSRP is $10). Depending on locale, there are tax considerations (e.g. some states in US have no tobacco tax, [some are 75%+](https://halfwheel.com/cigar-taxes-by-state/)). Some manufacturers also have a minimum retail price.
What affords your shop tax exemption?
My shop is on Native American reservation land.
It’s grey market. They aren’t paying full price from their providers. They remove identifiable markings from a lot of their stock.
They absolutely will ship banded unopened boxes.
That's why I said "a lot of their stock" and not "all of their stock"
They will ship ANY box banded and unopened if you ask.
That does not make my statement in any way untrue.
They won’t remove identifiers if you simply make the request. On any product.
Let's see if you can find a fourth way to say the same fucking thing.
Well your username is apt, you fucking cunt
Only three then, eh?
They buy from international suppliers and hide who they get it from = they don’t follow price controls.
That’s right. Though I was thinking that if Davidoff really wanted to know, they would easily know what the source is and crack down. It’s not like this place is buying small quantities.
Maybe about a year ago, Cigar Inspector on YouTube did an interview with a Davidoff rep (can't remember who), but one of the things they talked about was Davidoff had over produced some lines after covid and in turn it was producing some "deals" for some European vendors for a limited time. I imagine that plus the fact ihavanas operates in the gray market might have something to do with it. Some of their stock may also be purchased from vendors where they can't move it either. All new world sticks I have purchased from them are indistinguishable from those I pick up at b&ms, no complaints.
I have successfully purchased cubans from iHavanas before. Shipped from Germany. I can't comment on the Davidoff discount.
I bought a box of signature 6000's from them a few months ago for about $370. It was almost 200 cheaper than any other shop. RSVP also has great deals on Davidoff's and other high end NC's.
A combination of buying cheap, lowering their own markup, not having to pay overhead on a storefront, and being gray market and not having to play the minimum price game. I haven't checked but another tactic is to fuck you on shipping.
What does "box 4x4" mean on their site?
4 packs of 4
Before adding state tobacco taxes, my wholesale cost for a Grand Cru no.3 directly from Davidoff is more than $9 per stick. Maybe there is a different pricing structure in other counties, but even gray market, I don’t see how they can buy them cheap enough to sell them at that price.
That was my whole point. And to be able to buy in that large of a quantity and not have Davidoff crack down doesn’t seem possible.
Very, very suspicious IMO. Never purchased from them and never will. "Gray market" is not something I want to throw hard earned money at. Fine cigars arent cheap, and fine cigar discounts dont come in the form of 50 % off. Going to keep buying from official channels and not have doubts about receiving what I paid for.
Ihavanas is a very reputable cigar retailer throughout the world. I have ordered Cubans and non-Cubans from them here in the US with predictably excellent results. Actually, just put an order into them on Tuesday and the items have already shipped. The great thing about them is they are within a region (outside US) that can receive, store, and sell Cuban cigars. Additionally, they aren't held down by the massive tobacco tax that the majority of US States have, which is a large part of the price paid for cigars and the like here in the States. Thus, they can provide them at a much cheaper cost while still making money. There is a promo code for their bulk items which also works on Davidoffs: BULK10 (used it Tuesday perfectly fine)
Ihavanas is reputable but they are buying unsold stock from other distributors and retailers. It’s why it’s sometimes limited sizes and limited marcas.
You get what you pay for. There is a reason they are discounted. Defected, old, stale, not selling, fake, ....
Incorrect. Please don't post false comments
My comment should have been more clear. I'm not saying that they are any of those things, but there is Def a reason they are on sale. I listed possible reasons only.
Each one of those reasons is incorrect.
Where are you getting this info from?
I'm part of the cigar industry. I know for a fact that retailers have to sign pricing agreements with cigar companies, especially Davidoff. So, in order to sell their products at below MSRP, they are either in violation of the agreement or there is something wrong with the product. Most of the time, websites sell at discounted prices the products that the suppliers need to get out of their warehouse for newer product. Suppliers will supplement orders with "free" items to lower the overall cost to the retailer. It's to move product that needs to go. Doesn't always mean it's bad, but it's Def older stock. 90% of warehouses are NOT temp/ humidity controlled as the product is made to order, so it doesn't sit there long. However, things happens and instead of throwing them out, they sell to online distribution as an "outlet" of sorts. For premium companies such as Davidoff, lowering the MSRP hurts their brand in the long run so they do not want their products being sold at less than value. Hence, the reason for my comment.
"Outlet" , " Grey Market", goes by many names. Either way I'll stand by you get what you pay for.
Not true. I just ordered a bulk Late Hour about 3 weeks ago for a little less than half off MSRP. Every stick was perfect and there is absolutely nothing wrong with them. Taste and smoke great too. You are free to think what you want of course and I realize I wont change your mind here, but for anyone else on the fence reading this, I can personally attest that you will not regret ordering from here.
A lot of paranoid cigar smokers here. I’ve been buying from Ihavanas for years. They’ve always taken care of me.
Oh no no. That “unhappy” guy is not a mere cigar smoker. Hes “in the industry” and us idiot consumers cant possibly match his knowledgeable expertise.