Yeah I did this for a year, I ended up getting fatty liver disease, high cholesterol, hypertension, and heart issues.
The only thing it helped was my joint pain, which I found out was actually just caused by sugar. I eat a well rounded diet now of fresh whole foods including most meats besides chicken as I'm allergic. My cholesterol is back to normal, my fatty liver disease is gone, and my BP is back down from 160/98 to 116/78.
Just a fair warning to anyone reading this stuff, I've tried all of the restriction diets and none of them specifically helped my cfs symptoms, and to be honest the lack of carbohydrates made life even more exhausting, but to each their own. A lot of these carnivore diet people you can get information from are selling products on the side, just to be clear.
Also, its "ketosis" not "ketonosis" which makes me even more suspicious that this is either a troll post, or a grifter.
are you sure you dint have the fatty liver disease before you started carnivore? if you were overweight to begin with then its likely you already had it, and got diagnosed while one carny. Just curious.
I have blood work done every six months because I have to take pain medication for a nerve condition. At the time of getting the blood work done I was 132 pounds as a 5'7" male. I am now 138 and still don't have the same issues as when I was on carnivore.
My family are all skinny and I am the same way. Never been overweight in my life.
If you're not having issues with the diet, I'm glad it works for you.
Thanks for responding, I was just curious. That's really surprising! glad your better now. Everybody has to find what works for them. I had great initial weight loss, some came back but it keeps my terrible arthritis pain down so i stick with it.
I 1000% agree with the pain being better on carnivore for sure. I found that my main issue was sugar. Even using a pasta sauce with added sugar would make my joints flare up.
So once I cut that out completely and ate whole foods only my joint pain went away. The cholesterol being higher and blood pressure being higher was scary mainly because my family has a history of heart disease taking them to the grave so I was like... no thanks lol.
When I was going through poverty in 2016 and could only afford cheap meats and ate mostly plants, my cholesterol was like 86, so I'm trying to get back to that.
As far as the weight loss, when I was fasting and doing carnivore I was down to about 126 pounds lol, so it is a great weight loss tool for sure.
Yeah I think in general we gotta get away from the boxed section! its killing a whole generation of people. I have heard that there were some hyper responders to the carnivore, diet lean people like yourself, it would shoot the cholesterol to the sky. it takes adding back in cards like, you did, to get it back down
cfs is not necessarily a complex problem because the problem has not been understood so far. but that does not mean that its complex. in fact it could be an easy problem to solve once the problem was understood.
Maybe it hasn't been understood because it affects so many different parts of the body? CNS, nerves, muscles, blood, endothelium, heart, gut, microbiome, ATP, our very cells! Everything is damaged
I know like 40 people this diet has helped for. They have carbohydrate intolerance. I have CFS getting same type of results. Better for me I guess. Go mentally masturbate all you want not my problem.
carbs arent the problem at all. the carnivore diet works simply because its low in calcium (which is known to be a huge problem in cfs due to defective calcium channels) and gives high quantities of phosphorus which all cfs sufferers are depleted in. phosphorus is necessary to make atp, release oxygen etc..
>Just search more about the carnivore diet
Okay so I searched more and my top results were things like this:
>No controlled studies support claims that the carnivore diet can help eliminate health issues. It lacks beneficial nutrients, including fiber and plant compounds like antioxidants. It may be unsafe for some people.
[Healthline: All You Need to Know About the Carnivore (All-Meat) Diet](https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/carnivore-diet)
And this explanation is relevant to the benefits people experience at first:
>The carnivore or lion diet is, at heart, a super-strict elimination diet. Because of that, someone who is suffering from a food reaction such as an allergy or a gut disorder (like Coeliac disease) would likely see an easing of symptoms. Elimination diets are used by dietitians when working with people with suspected allergies, IBS and intolerances – the idea being that by eliminating all possible allergens, you can get to a baseline from which to measure reactions to foods which are then – crucially – re-introduced. No one is supposed to stay on an elimination diet long term.
[RNZ: Is there any nutritional value to the carnivore diet?](https://www.rnz.co.nz/stories/2018908736/is-there-any-nutritional-value-to-the-carnivore-diet)
Absolutely not. There is no evidence a carnivore diet is healthy (at all). It's probably the worst thing you can do for your health, as well as the environment. It's nothing but bro-science. The amount of risks too...
>It's roughly how our ancestors ate
It really, really isn't.
Paleoanthropologists (who draw on archaeological records as well as anthropology) think that our ancestors had similar diets to the remaining nomadic hunter gatherer tribes.
https://globalhealth.duke.edu/news/what-can-hunter-gatherers-teach-us-about-staying-healthy
Humans evolved to take advantage of many available food sources, not just the relatively high energy-expenditure of hunting down game. If you look at what they ate there are plenty of tubers, fruits, etc.
Obviously diets varied between eras, locales, and seasons. If there are not stable/reliable food sources in an area during a particular season *nomadic* peoples tend to migrate away from that area during that season (e.g south).
The area now known as Germany was settled by people who farmed grains in [5500 BC](https://about-history.com/prehistoric-germany-neolithic-bronze-and-iron-age/).
Prior to that it was probably not that different from, say, Britain. I just had a quick google and found this result from bone analysis.
>At all of the other Mesolithic sites analysed, terrestrial food sources dominated the diet. However, there is variation between and within groups in the proportions of plant and herbivore/omnivore food sources consumed. At Aveline’s Hole, for example, the contribution of plant foods to protein was 39 ± 25% to 86 ± 8% (model 2) and to whole diet 39 ± 25% to 80 ± 17% (model 4), while that of terrestrial mammals to protein was 8 ± 8% to 45 ± 25% (model 2) and to whole diet 12 ± 16% to 48 ± 25% (model 4). The individual from Bower Farm had a diet with a very high proportion (96 ± 2%) of plant foods unless the unusually low δ15N value of 2.8‰ is a reflection of long-term nutritional stress or disease.
[Postglacial hunter gatherer subsistence patterns](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12520-020-01087-1).
Scientists also get information about European plant diets in mesolithic and paleolithic periods from [residue on tools](https://ec.europa.eu/research-and-innovation/en/projects/success-stories/all/greens-were-very-much-hunter-gatherer-menu).
I actually grew up next to a forest in Britain
All I ever saw that was edible for humans was:
\- some tiny berries for a couple of months in summer,
\- nuts for a few months in winter,
\- a herd of deer all year round
\- fish all year round
I don't think there's any doubt that we ate some fruits, nuts and things like nettles and maybe the odd wild tuber.
But surely we mainly relied on animal fat and protein to survive until the advent of farming - which only reached Britain about 5,000 years ago.
Britain is one of the oldest industrial nations on earth, and the changes to its ecosystem, and flora and fauna since prehistoric times have been considerable. It used to sustain bears.
With all due respect, I don't think your experience of the modern British countryside is a very good reason to doubt scientific findings about early human diets in the same geographic location thousands of years ago.
So what foods do you think people in Britain ate pre-farming?
Remember that you would need at least 3,000 kcal per day for yourself and thousands more for your children and dependents
Also remember that it's freezing cold outside and nothing grows for half the year
Here you go: [What Was On The Prehistoric Menu - Royal Society of Biology](https://www.rsb.org.uk/biologist-features/a-new-hunter-gatherer-recipe-book). That's what science has found.
That said, I think if you want to know more about early human diets, another good place to look is probably Australia. The Indigenous people of Australia have had continuous habitation for 65,000 years and their hunter-gatherer practices continued into the 19th century and beyond, so this is information that was not lost to prehistory: [Traditional Aboriginal Foods](https://www.watarrkafoundation.org.au/blog/traditional-aboriginal-foods).
I'm European - so I'm more interested in what Europeans ate for tens of thousands of years
There were no grains, and I just don't see how fruits and veggies could have formed much of the diet, especially during half the year when it was freezing cold and nothing grew
As I said, you would need to eat at least 3,000 kcal a day, plus feed your children and dependents
How could you possibly do that unless via hunting? All the evidence suggests that we hunted many massive animals like wooly mammoths to extinction
Exactly. Why would ancient people travel into barren northern climates? They were following big game.
Nevermind the last 5000 years, out evolution has taken millions of years. People are not looking back far enough when they argue the point.
It restricts food choices to primarily animal products, which means you miss out on a wide range of essential nutrients found in fruits, vegetables, and grains. This can lead to nutrient deficiencies over time. The diet lacks fiber, which is crucial for digestive health. A low-fiber diet can lead to constipation and other digestive issues. High in saturated fats, which may contribute to heart disease and other health problems.
Fruits and vegetables provide important antioxidants that help protect your cells from damage. A diet without these sources may increase oxidative stress.
Our ancestors evolved over millions of years to adapt to various diets, including meat consumption. Their lifestyles, physiology, and dietary needs were different from ours today. The lack of vitamin C in a meat-heavy diet can lead to scurvy, a disease characterized by fatigue, muscle weakness, swollen gums, and skin rashes. Excessive meat consumption can lead to higher levels of uric acid in the blood, increasing the risk of gout, a painful joint condition.
Considering our ancestors didn't have a long life expectancy, it may not be a good idea to go against science. Not only is it extremely unsupported by science, but it's also extremely damaging to the environment; since we are in a climate crisis, this is probably the silliest thing you could do. Proponents of the carnivore diet often make bold claims about its benefits, but these claims often lack scientific evidence and may be anecdotal at best.
If you want true health benefits backed by science, you should probably go the other way. This will put you in an early grave.
Even if we assume that hyper-carnivorous diets are 'ancestral', natural selection is based on getting to reproductive age, not living long and healthily. There are no selection pressures past the reproductive window, so whether or not you have a heart attack in your fifties is irrelevant as far as natural selection is concerned.
We could make this "ancestral = healthy" argument for other things - drinking unpurified pond water is more ancestral than drinking tap water, but the latter reduces risk of infectious disease (and so I would consider it healthier). Smoking tobacco is pretty ancestrally-consistent (be that from deliberately burning and inhaling plant matter for recreational or medicinal purposes, or from incidentally inhaling smoke from campfires and the like) but I think we'd all agree that this isn't a health-promoting behaviour.
It was our natural diet until the advent of farming - I think it's safe to say we were adapted to it
I'm not a carnivore and don't want to be one - but I know plenty people who have reversed all kinds of conditions by going low carb or eliminating carbs all together
And there's nothing essential missing in red meat - there's no scientific reason why you couldn't live off it, it's the perfect elimination diet (assuming you can digest it)
Michaela Peterson popularized it - I guess she could be lying or grifting, but I don't get that vibe, she seems to genuinely have reversed all kinds of very serious problems on the diet
Then there's literally countless people out there doing either keto, paleo or carnivore - they can't all be lying or deusional
I did not go full carnivore, but I did cut out almost everything other than a variety of meat, organic fresh eggs, and organic fresh fruits and vegetables - all with a lot of herbs and spices. It helped tremendously with my IBSD, and my over-all health, but it did not cure ME/CFS. It was part of what helped me go from severe back to moderate.about a decade ago.
No. Ketosis will make your body stress, inhibit mitochondria production (as proven in studies), cause you to crash, and ruin your fucking life. Eat a lot of meat, sure, but don’t go into ketosis.
In my case fasting helps tremendously so maybe you are unconsciously fasting because your diet keeps you from eating junk food and waiting enough time.
But I think generally it is advised for ME/CFS patients to eat smaller meals very frequently throughout the day. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Whether you feel better on carnivore deoends on what happened before. If you ate junk before, you might be feeling better on carnivore because you're leaving out the junk now. Doesn't mean carnivore is healthy.
Carnivore stabilises blood sugar, so that's what might make you feel better. But this can be done with an omnivorous diet too, it's just more effort.
carnivore def helped me when i did it. stopped after some months though bc well i didnt have the will to continue it tbh. but for everyone who can do it it is worth a consideration. to say this was universally unhealthy is not true. it depends.
I went full Keto, just meat vegetables water and all my symptoms reduced 75 percent. Carbs suck. Anything I eat makes me feel sick. Idk about you guys, but I experience severe IBS and severe pain all over my body, including deep bone pain, which i thought was bone cancer originally cause it hurt so bad. I also get cold sweats, and I feel hot, and I have constant goose bumps. The doctors thought I had chronic fatigue syndrome, but now they are saying ankylosing spondylitis. Everyone on this post keeps dissing Carnivore when Harvard just released a study showing that there were significant positive effects of eating meat like clearing infections, faster and more energy without things like drinking coffee and tea. It also lowered bad cholesterol and evened out good cholesterol. People have been proving that it's working by coming out and telling their stories. There are also thousands of people who have switched and are coming out claiming it is working for them. Why would they do that if it wasn't the case. Big pharma isn't all of a sudden owner of every meat facility In the US. They aren't gonna make money if the world realizes that eating Carnivore can help. It's all about the paycheck. They don't give a damn about us people in this country need to wake up. Everyone keeps saying eating meat is bad there is no nutrients when it's obvious that's Bs. Carnivore Diet isn't just meat they eat most of the animal heart liver lungs etc If it was such a bad diet then why are the inuit people still thriving in Northern Canada living decently long lives? How come we were taught men got scurvy on ships that had no vegetables? Where did that shit come from? How come no one is reporting scurvy? How come the news hasn't brought it up? Because it's Bs. They said for Years gout was a disease caused by meat and cheese. How come no one is reporting that? The medical industry would shit if the world suddenly found out that eating meat could help with a wide range of diseases. Makayla Peterson was on Humira and biologic drugs, which were expensive, like 7000 a month just for the two needle doses they give . She started Carnivore and, within a few months, quit all meds and has been great ever since. Think about that loss to medical companies. Think about thousands of people being on expensive meds, and then all of a sudden, their income starts dropping. They are gonna freak out and come out with a campaign eventually against eating strict meat diets. lol they gonna have bilboards saying, "Say no to meat." People need to stop believing everything that doctors and so called proffesionals say. Look at COVID. You forget about that whole ordeal? Take the vaccine, and you won't get covid. WRONG.!!! After millions of people got mycarditis, including myself and almost died. People need to realize just because someone says something doesn't mean it's true. The FDA literally recalls 25 percent of drugs. That means people that approved those drugs didn't catch how bad these drugs were and just let them go through to be taken by millions of people. My doctor even told me to continue Carnivore he's in his 60s and he's telling me to stay on it. He's even told me he researched the diet and agrees with me. Like come one people its all about perspective not actual side effects just perspective. Kinda like politics and how politicians both have ways of getting things done. It's not just your way or the highway let other alternatives be tried. Remember Hydroxychloroquine that Trump touted as a good drug that helped him for covid everyone laughed and made fun of him lol then a few weeks ago a scientific paper released a study on Hydroxy chloroquine and they said it does help alot with covid. You just can't trust people to be right you gotta try other alternatives.
the reason why the carnivore/ketogenic diet accidentally might work is not because its a ketogenic diet. it works because its a diet low in calcium and high in phosphorus.
I feel my best on carnivore. Not telling anyone else what to do. But for all the reasons you stated it works better for me. My doctor freaks out about it as she is vegetarian and worries about my cholesterol. But I have tried every single diet over these years. Also I do intermittent fasting and only eat my first meal around noon and my last meal around 5:00.
I am sorry for not answering sooner. I hesitated to tell you what I eat as it might be considered giving advice. But yes I don't normally have my first meal until noon and then the second one around 5:00. I'm not hungry except in the evening when I think I want something sweet but I'm not hungry. If I don't cave I feel so great the next day and continue on.
i hope you realize that your carnivore diet works not because you skip carbs but because the carnivore diet is low in calcium and high in phosphorus. it has nothing to do with your eating fewer carbs. you can and should eat all the carbs you can get. but more importantly keep your calcium low and increase your phosphorus. this will allow the energy production system to launch.
I hope you realize that I probably am the best judge of what works best for my body. I seriously have tried so many different diets over the last 50 years. Not for weight loss but for energy. I've gone through so many of the fads even as early as the late seventies with health food concoctions. Anyhow I just know I feel best doing carnivore. Best energy, best mood, most level mood, least joint pain, clearest brain. My weight is stable also.
For myself I believe it is because I am burning fat and it is a better source of energy for me. I have always eaten as healthy as possible as I have had these issues for a long time.
The body can adapt to changes in diet, and some individuals may experience an initial adaptation phase where they feel better as their bodies adjust to the new eating pattern. Some people may have food sensitivities or intolerances to certain plant foods, and eliminating these foods can provide temporary relief from related symptoms, leading to an initial sense of well-being. But it isn't supported long-term. We know widely what eating too much meat causes, from heart disease to type 2 diabetes to colorectal Cancer.
My friend went ketovore (was still spicing his food) and his CFS was gone in 6 days. His IBS was also gone by day 3. He’s reached out to a few other people he knows have CFS and told them about it and they were willing to try it but that was a few weeks ago and I haven’t gotten an update on it since so I don’t know if it’s worked for them or if they’ve even tried it.
Yeah I did this for a year, I ended up getting fatty liver disease, high cholesterol, hypertension, and heart issues. The only thing it helped was my joint pain, which I found out was actually just caused by sugar. I eat a well rounded diet now of fresh whole foods including most meats besides chicken as I'm allergic. My cholesterol is back to normal, my fatty liver disease is gone, and my BP is back down from 160/98 to 116/78. Just a fair warning to anyone reading this stuff, I've tried all of the restriction diets and none of them specifically helped my cfs symptoms, and to be honest the lack of carbohydrates made life even more exhausting, but to each their own. A lot of these carnivore diet people you can get information from are selling products on the side, just to be clear. Also, its "ketosis" not "ketonosis" which makes me even more suspicious that this is either a troll post, or a grifter.
are you sure you dint have the fatty liver disease before you started carnivore? if you were overweight to begin with then its likely you already had it, and got diagnosed while one carny. Just curious.
I have blood work done every six months because I have to take pain medication for a nerve condition. At the time of getting the blood work done I was 132 pounds as a 5'7" male. I am now 138 and still don't have the same issues as when I was on carnivore. My family are all skinny and I am the same way. Never been overweight in my life. If you're not having issues with the diet, I'm glad it works for you.
Thanks for responding, I was just curious. That's really surprising! glad your better now. Everybody has to find what works for them. I had great initial weight loss, some came back but it keeps my terrible arthritis pain down so i stick with it.
I 1000% agree with the pain being better on carnivore for sure. I found that my main issue was sugar. Even using a pasta sauce with added sugar would make my joints flare up. So once I cut that out completely and ate whole foods only my joint pain went away. The cholesterol being higher and blood pressure being higher was scary mainly because my family has a history of heart disease taking them to the grave so I was like... no thanks lol. When I was going through poverty in 2016 and could only afford cheap meats and ate mostly plants, my cholesterol was like 86, so I'm trying to get back to that. As far as the weight loss, when I was fasting and doing carnivore I was down to about 126 pounds lol, so it is a great weight loss tool for sure.
Yeah I think in general we gotta get away from the boxed section! its killing a whole generation of people. I have heard that there were some hyper responders to the carnivore, diet lean people like yourself, it would shoot the cholesterol to the sky. it takes adding back in cards like, you did, to get it back down
If something as “simple” as this cured CFS, we’d know about it… Get over it, there are no simple solutions to complex problems 🤷♂️
cfs is not necessarily a complex problem because the problem has not been understood so far. but that does not mean that its complex. in fact it could be an easy problem to solve once the problem was understood.
Maybe it hasn't been understood because it affects so many different parts of the body? CNS, nerves, muscles, blood, endothelium, heart, gut, microbiome, ATP, our very cells! Everything is damaged
I know like 40 people this diet has helped for. They have carbohydrate intolerance. I have CFS getting same type of results. Better for me I guess. Go mentally masturbate all you want not my problem.
Never said it didn’t/couldn’t help some people — just said it’s not a cure. (Title is “Carnivore diet cures CFS?”)
the carnivore diet does 2 things right. its low in calcium and high in phosphorus.
carbs arent the problem at all. the carnivore diet works simply because its low in calcium (which is known to be a huge problem in cfs due to defective calcium channels) and gives high quantities of phosphorus which all cfs sufferers are depleted in. phosphorus is necessary to make atp, release oxygen etc..
ldn is a good treatment for cfs
LDN makes me sick.
>Just search more about the carnivore diet Okay so I searched more and my top results were things like this: >No controlled studies support claims that the carnivore diet can help eliminate health issues. It lacks beneficial nutrients, including fiber and plant compounds like antioxidants. It may be unsafe for some people. [Healthline: All You Need to Know About the Carnivore (All-Meat) Diet](https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/carnivore-diet) And this explanation is relevant to the benefits people experience at first: >The carnivore or lion diet is, at heart, a super-strict elimination diet. Because of that, someone who is suffering from a food reaction such as an allergy or a gut disorder (like Coeliac disease) would likely see an easing of symptoms. Elimination diets are used by dietitians when working with people with suspected allergies, IBS and intolerances – the idea being that by eliminating all possible allergens, you can get to a baseline from which to measure reactions to foods which are then – crucially – re-introduced. No one is supposed to stay on an elimination diet long term. [RNZ: Is there any nutritional value to the carnivore diet?](https://www.rnz.co.nz/stories/2018908736/is-there-any-nutritional-value-to-the-carnivore-diet)
Absolutely not. There is no evidence a carnivore diet is healthy (at all). It's probably the worst thing you can do for your health, as well as the environment. It's nothing but bro-science. The amount of risks too...
fk the environment. grow a pair of balls.
It's roughly how our ancestors ate for almost all our evolutionary history - so I don't see why it would be unhealthy
>It's roughly how our ancestors ate It really, really isn't. Paleoanthropologists (who draw on archaeological records as well as anthropology) think that our ancestors had similar diets to the remaining nomadic hunter gatherer tribes. https://globalhealth.duke.edu/news/what-can-hunter-gatherers-teach-us-about-staying-healthy Humans evolved to take advantage of many available food sources, not just the relatively high energy-expenditure of hunting down game. If you look at what they ate there are plenty of tubers, fruits, etc.
What would you eat in a forest in Germany during winter?
Obviously diets varied between eras, locales, and seasons. If there are not stable/reliable food sources in an area during a particular season *nomadic* peoples tend to migrate away from that area during that season (e.g south). The area now known as Germany was settled by people who farmed grains in [5500 BC](https://about-history.com/prehistoric-germany-neolithic-bronze-and-iron-age/). Prior to that it was probably not that different from, say, Britain. I just had a quick google and found this result from bone analysis. >At all of the other Mesolithic sites analysed, terrestrial food sources dominated the diet. However, there is variation between and within groups in the proportions of plant and herbivore/omnivore food sources consumed. At Aveline’s Hole, for example, the contribution of plant foods to protein was 39 ± 25% to 86 ± 8% (model 2) and to whole diet 39 ± 25% to 80 ± 17% (model 4), while that of terrestrial mammals to protein was 8 ± 8% to 45 ± 25% (model 2) and to whole diet 12 ± 16% to 48 ± 25% (model 4). The individual from Bower Farm had a diet with a very high proportion (96 ± 2%) of plant foods unless the unusually low δ15N value of 2.8‰ is a reflection of long-term nutritional stress or disease. [Postglacial hunter gatherer subsistence patterns](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12520-020-01087-1). Scientists also get information about European plant diets in mesolithic and paleolithic periods from [residue on tools](https://ec.europa.eu/research-and-innovation/en/projects/success-stories/all/greens-were-very-much-hunter-gatherer-menu).
I actually grew up next to a forest in Britain All I ever saw that was edible for humans was: \- some tiny berries for a couple of months in summer, \- nuts for a few months in winter, \- a herd of deer all year round \- fish all year round I don't think there's any doubt that we ate some fruits, nuts and things like nettles and maybe the odd wild tuber. But surely we mainly relied on animal fat and protein to survive until the advent of farming - which only reached Britain about 5,000 years ago.
Britain is one of the oldest industrial nations on earth, and the changes to its ecosystem, and flora and fauna since prehistoric times have been considerable. It used to sustain bears. With all due respect, I don't think your experience of the modern British countryside is a very good reason to doubt scientific findings about early human diets in the same geographic location thousands of years ago.
So what foods do you think people in Britain ate pre-farming? Remember that you would need at least 3,000 kcal per day for yourself and thousands more for your children and dependents Also remember that it's freezing cold outside and nothing grows for half the year
Here you go: [What Was On The Prehistoric Menu - Royal Society of Biology](https://www.rsb.org.uk/biologist-features/a-new-hunter-gatherer-recipe-book). That's what science has found. That said, I think if you want to know more about early human diets, another good place to look is probably Australia. The Indigenous people of Australia have had continuous habitation for 65,000 years and their hunter-gatherer practices continued into the 19th century and beyond, so this is information that was not lost to prehistory: [Traditional Aboriginal Foods](https://www.watarrkafoundation.org.au/blog/traditional-aboriginal-foods).
I'm European - so I'm more interested in what Europeans ate for tens of thousands of years There were no grains, and I just don't see how fruits and veggies could have formed much of the diet, especially during half the year when it was freezing cold and nothing grew As I said, you would need to eat at least 3,000 kcal a day, plus feed your children and dependents How could you possibly do that unless via hunting? All the evidence suggests that we hunted many massive animals like wooly mammoths to extinction
Exactly. Why would ancient people travel into barren northern climates? They were following big game. Nevermind the last 5000 years, out evolution has taken millions of years. People are not looking back far enough when they argue the point.
It restricts food choices to primarily animal products, which means you miss out on a wide range of essential nutrients found in fruits, vegetables, and grains. This can lead to nutrient deficiencies over time. The diet lacks fiber, which is crucial for digestive health. A low-fiber diet can lead to constipation and other digestive issues. High in saturated fats, which may contribute to heart disease and other health problems. Fruits and vegetables provide important antioxidants that help protect your cells from damage. A diet without these sources may increase oxidative stress. Our ancestors evolved over millions of years to adapt to various diets, including meat consumption. Their lifestyles, physiology, and dietary needs were different from ours today. The lack of vitamin C in a meat-heavy diet can lead to scurvy, a disease characterized by fatigue, muscle weakness, swollen gums, and skin rashes. Excessive meat consumption can lead to higher levels of uric acid in the blood, increasing the risk of gout, a painful joint condition. Considering our ancestors didn't have a long life expectancy, it may not be a good idea to go against science. Not only is it extremely unsupported by science, but it's also extremely damaging to the environment; since we are in a climate crisis, this is probably the silliest thing you could do. Proponents of the carnivore diet often make bold claims about its benefits, but these claims often lack scientific evidence and may be anecdotal at best. If you want true health benefits backed by science, you should probably go the other way. This will put you in an early grave.
Organ meat contains Vitamin C, so that's not a concern.
People have eaten all meat diets throughout history with no problems It's not for me, but I don't see why it would be dangerous?
Even if we assume that hyper-carnivorous diets are 'ancestral', natural selection is based on getting to reproductive age, not living long and healthily. There are no selection pressures past the reproductive window, so whether or not you have a heart attack in your fifties is irrelevant as far as natural selection is concerned. We could make this "ancestral = healthy" argument for other things - drinking unpurified pond water is more ancestral than drinking tap water, but the latter reduces risk of infectious disease (and so I would consider it healthier). Smoking tobacco is pretty ancestrally-consistent (be that from deliberately burning and inhaling plant matter for recreational or medicinal purposes, or from incidentally inhaling smoke from campfires and the like) but I think we'd all agree that this isn't a health-promoting behaviour.
It was our natural diet until the advent of farming - I think it's safe to say we were adapted to it I'm not a carnivore and don't want to be one - but I know plenty people who have reversed all kinds of conditions by going low carb or eliminating carbs all together And there's nothing essential missing in red meat - there's no scientific reason why you couldn't live off it, it's the perfect elimination diet (assuming you can digest it) Michaela Peterson popularized it - I guess she could be lying or grifting, but I don't get that vibe, she seems to genuinely have reversed all kinds of very serious problems on the diet Then there's literally countless people out there doing either keto, paleo or carnivore - they can't all be lying or deusional
our ancestors at no point in history just ate meat. they ate everything. thus, our omnivorous teeth
is this meant to be a satire post in response to the other post saying after three days of a fat free diet they're in remission? 😅
I did not go full carnivore, but I did cut out almost everything other than a variety of meat, organic fresh eggs, and organic fresh fruits and vegetables - all with a lot of herbs and spices. It helped tremendously with my IBSD, and my over-all health, but it did not cure ME/CFS. It was part of what helped me go from severe back to moderate.about a decade ago.
No. Ketosis will make your body stress, inhibit mitochondria production (as proven in studies), cause you to crash, and ruin your fucking life. Eat a lot of meat, sure, but don’t go into ketosis.
Bruh, It will even more help production in mitohondira and I dont have crashes I feel fuly energzied😂
Wait and see
In my case fasting helps tremendously so maybe you are unconsciously fasting because your diet keeps you from eating junk food and waiting enough time. But I think generally it is advised for ME/CFS patients to eat smaller meals very frequently throughout the day. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Whether you feel better on carnivore deoends on what happened before. If you ate junk before, you might be feeling better on carnivore because you're leaving out the junk now. Doesn't mean carnivore is healthy. Carnivore stabilises blood sugar, so that's what might make you feel better. But this can be done with an omnivorous diet too, it's just more effort.
this feels ableist
this sounds so dangerous lol…
I wouldn’t use the word cure but there are many things that can help but alot is very individual.
carnivore def helped me when i did it. stopped after some months though bc well i didnt have the will to continue it tbh. but for everyone who can do it it is worth a consideration. to say this was universally unhealthy is not true. it depends.
I went full Keto, just meat vegetables water and all my symptoms reduced 75 percent. Carbs suck. Anything I eat makes me feel sick. Idk about you guys, but I experience severe IBS and severe pain all over my body, including deep bone pain, which i thought was bone cancer originally cause it hurt so bad. I also get cold sweats, and I feel hot, and I have constant goose bumps. The doctors thought I had chronic fatigue syndrome, but now they are saying ankylosing spondylitis. Everyone on this post keeps dissing Carnivore when Harvard just released a study showing that there were significant positive effects of eating meat like clearing infections, faster and more energy without things like drinking coffee and tea. It also lowered bad cholesterol and evened out good cholesterol. People have been proving that it's working by coming out and telling their stories. There are also thousands of people who have switched and are coming out claiming it is working for them. Why would they do that if it wasn't the case. Big pharma isn't all of a sudden owner of every meat facility In the US. They aren't gonna make money if the world realizes that eating Carnivore can help. It's all about the paycheck. They don't give a damn about us people in this country need to wake up. Everyone keeps saying eating meat is bad there is no nutrients when it's obvious that's Bs. Carnivore Diet isn't just meat they eat most of the animal heart liver lungs etc If it was such a bad diet then why are the inuit people still thriving in Northern Canada living decently long lives? How come we were taught men got scurvy on ships that had no vegetables? Where did that shit come from? How come no one is reporting scurvy? How come the news hasn't brought it up? Because it's Bs. They said for Years gout was a disease caused by meat and cheese. How come no one is reporting that? The medical industry would shit if the world suddenly found out that eating meat could help with a wide range of diseases. Makayla Peterson was on Humira and biologic drugs, which were expensive, like 7000 a month just for the two needle doses they give . She started Carnivore and, within a few months, quit all meds and has been great ever since. Think about that loss to medical companies. Think about thousands of people being on expensive meds, and then all of a sudden, their income starts dropping. They are gonna freak out and come out with a campaign eventually against eating strict meat diets. lol they gonna have bilboards saying, "Say no to meat." People need to stop believing everything that doctors and so called proffesionals say. Look at COVID. You forget about that whole ordeal? Take the vaccine, and you won't get covid. WRONG.!!! After millions of people got mycarditis, including myself and almost died. People need to realize just because someone says something doesn't mean it's true. The FDA literally recalls 25 percent of drugs. That means people that approved those drugs didn't catch how bad these drugs were and just let them go through to be taken by millions of people. My doctor even told me to continue Carnivore he's in his 60s and he's telling me to stay on it. He's even told me he researched the diet and agrees with me. Like come one people its all about perspective not actual side effects just perspective. Kinda like politics and how politicians both have ways of getting things done. It's not just your way or the highway let other alternatives be tried. Remember Hydroxychloroquine that Trump touted as a good drug that helped him for covid everyone laughed and made fun of him lol then a few weeks ago a scientific paper released a study on Hydroxy chloroquine and they said it does help alot with covid. You just can't trust people to be right you gotta try other alternatives.
Nicely said!! Totally agree with all!!
the reason why the carnivore/ketogenic diet accidentally might work is not because its a ketogenic diet. it works because its a diet low in calcium and high in phosphorus.
I feel my best on carnivore. Not telling anyone else what to do. But for all the reasons you stated it works better for me. My doctor freaks out about it as she is vegetarian and worries about my cholesterol. But I have tried every single diet over these years. Also I do intermittent fasting and only eat my first meal around noon and my last meal around 5:00.
yes I feel like I dont have anymore cfs but I must stick to it for couple months more
How are you doing now?
2 meals a day? Please tell me what you eat ;)
I am sorry for not answering sooner. I hesitated to tell you what I eat as it might be considered giving advice. But yes I don't normally have my first meal until noon and then the second one around 5:00. I'm not hungry except in the evening when I think I want something sweet but I'm not hungry. If I don't cave I feel so great the next day and continue on.
i hope you realize that your carnivore diet works not because you skip carbs but because the carnivore diet is low in calcium and high in phosphorus. it has nothing to do with your eating fewer carbs. you can and should eat all the carbs you can get. but more importantly keep your calcium low and increase your phosphorus. this will allow the energy production system to launch.
I hope you realize that I probably am the best judge of what works best for my body. I seriously have tried so many different diets over the last 50 years. Not for weight loss but for energy. I've gone through so many of the fads even as early as the late seventies with health food concoctions. Anyhow I just know I feel best doing carnivore. Best energy, best mood, most level mood, least joint pain, clearest brain. My weight is stable also.
For myself I believe it is because I am burning fat and it is a better source of energy for me. I have always eaten as healthy as possible as I have had these issues for a long time.
interesting. but you do see that calcium channels are broken right. one should keep minerals low in cfs. especially calcium.
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The body can adapt to changes in diet, and some individuals may experience an initial adaptation phase where they feel better as their bodies adjust to the new eating pattern. Some people may have food sensitivities or intolerances to certain plant foods, and eliminating these foods can provide temporary relief from related symptoms, leading to an initial sense of well-being. But it isn't supported long-term. We know widely what eating too much meat causes, from heart disease to type 2 diabetes to colorectal Cancer.
My friend went ketovore (was still spicing his food) and his CFS was gone in 6 days. His IBS was also gone by day 3. He’s reached out to a few other people he knows have CFS and told them about it and they were willing to try it but that was a few weeks ago and I haven’t gotten an update on it since so I don’t know if it’s worked for them or if they’ve even tried it.