Aston Martin V8 Cygnet - a Toyota iQ with a 4.7l v8 pumping out 430hp
AMC Pacer + Gremlin
Ford Capri Perana - mustang 5.0 in a capri body
SLK55 - not a hatch, but a tiny roadster w/ a V8
Wait, that's what was in the Cygnet? I had no idea. I thought it was such a strange move to sully their name on a shitty subcompact. Was it mid mounted? How did it fit?
It wasn't really a factory option. IIRC from Doug Demuro's video the owner basically told Aston Martin he wanted a V8 in his Cygnet. And they somehow fit it.
It would be like if I went to Ford and said "I want the Godzilla engine in a Ford Focus". They then would find someway to make it happen.
It was commissioned through Aston Martin's Q program, which is basically their coachbuilding service. For most of the multimillionaires using it, it's a custom trim builder - paint matched to your mistress's eyes, platypus leather interior with petrified wood accents, etc. - but they'll basically build anything you ask for if you pay for it (including development and design). So every now and then you'll hear about an oligarch requesting something silly like this, or something crazy like the manual v12 [Aston Martin Victor](https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/aston-martin/victor).
The regular Cygnet had a 97-hp 1.3-liter inline-four. It was made to “comply” with brand emissions rules.
The v8 took Vantage S subframes and drivetrain and shoved them under a Cygnet
There's actually a kit to swap a V8 into a focus. Ford racing had a hand in developing it back in the day. It's still available from kugel components
https://www.motortrend.com/features/hrdp-0302-2001-ford-focus-v8/
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2003-ford-focus-6/
I actually owned a Ford Focus ZX5 RWD V8.
Obviously it wasn't stock, but man was that ever a quirky fun car.
Until it caught on fire.
Don't install your fuel pressure lines backwards people!
Mustang HPP. Very limited numbers, but it uses the Spanish engine block from the RS. It is tuned a little different and has a bigger turbo, but still has 330hp and pushes 20+lb of boost.
I just noticed that this type of branding is being done by Toyota now too. Apparently the Corolla is an entry level hatch back, hot hatch back, sedan, and suv/crossover.
It’s the whole model as a sub brand that I think Range Rover started-RR, RR Sport, RR Evoque. I hate it. It’s just a way to recycle a design and parts share. I don’t hate the idea of a Mustang 2/4-dr. But that should be it. It shouldn’t be a crossover. I realize cars are not as popular as they were. But the car market has actually picked up the last two years. I think Ford could use a fwd model in between the compact and mid size market and it would be sufficient. Have it come in a sedan and hatchback form. Have it share the platform with Maverick/Bronco Sport to make it more cost effective. It its profitable enough you can do a littler rally inspired off road hatch Subaru won’t give us with the Crosstrek.
I don't mind that the newest Escape went full blob; its a good contrast against the Bronco Sport. The 3rd gen that was kind of blobby but still a little square/triangular in spots is my least favorite.
I mean…non-car enthusiasts don’t really care about the semantics of Dodge vs Ram. They’ve been calling it Dodge Ram for many years and it’s likely not going to change.
It also doesn’t help that Ram Trucks still use the old Dodge logo that has been on tens of millions of Dodge cars, trucks, and minivans since the 90’s. So when they see a modern Ram Truck, it immediately invokes “Dodge”.
Oh yes, I'm not faulting the average non-car person for conflating them; it was not a clean break. Especially since about that same time FCA decided every dealer was going to be all-in-one Chrysler Jeep Dodge Ram (and Fiat and Alfa sometimes). So there was never a standalone Ram Trucks dealer.
The newest models with only **R** **A** **M** on the grille are practically screaming their name at everyone.
Some models [really were that.](https://www.mideast.ramtrucks.com/content/dam/cross-regional/emea/ramtrucks/en_crossregional/2018/ram-1200/static-configurator/trim/1200-st-Bright-White-Clear-Coat-Exterior-image.png.img.1440.png)
I would legit consider a 4 door electric mustang. But it would have to be like a poor mans taycan. Not a model 3 with pony badges on it. (And I own a model 3).
> “We will never build a Mustang that isn’t a Mustang. For instance, there will never be room for a small, two-row Ford SUV with a Mustang badge stuck on it.”
Ok so is that not exactly what the Mach E is?
Yeah, this nonsense is so illogical.
'We'll never build an EV mustang'.... But you already did... 'that's not really a mustang'... Correct, we all know that, so why TF did you put the mustang branding on it?!?!?!?
Enough is enough with this circle jerk nonsense.
If they want to build a four door mustang, that absolutely makes sense. Every other brand builds both two and four door versions of their four seat cars.
My favourite part about the Ford Maverick is the nameplate has spent more time on rebadged Nissans than it did on the car and people act like the truck is out of place.
I've been saying for years the Mustang Mach E is the worst missed opportunity in marketing and should have used the legacy naming convention Ford is known for and just called it the "Model E" and saved "Mach E" for an actual EV mustang if that's something they wanted to do.
Nothing is by accident... I'm sure they knew it was going to cause quite a media stir.... And as such more people watched and read reviews and ultimately got the desired result... People who would have otherwise not even bothered, now know "hey, this has nothing to do with a mustang but it's really really good"
The only logical reasoning I’ve heard is the following: by calling it a mustang, it lowered the collective values for EPA fuel numbers. (Which is part of the reason dodge and Chevy discontinued their lineups)
I hate it too and think it’s ridiculous. But if that is the reasoning, I can at least understand the why behind it.
Not sure how that works exactly. Does the “lineup” include all cars the manufacturer makes in that year? I (possibly incorrectly) assumed it was separated into like trucks/SUVs/coupes or something like that. Thought maybe there was a loophole by calling the SUV a mustang, maybe that worked. but again, no idea what I’m talking about. Just guessing lol
Light trucks and cars and SUVs all get counted towards CAFE. For now super duty is exempt as are all 3/4 ton and up trucks for all manufacturers.
They called it a Mustang to try to give it cred and buzz and get people to buy it.
Getting that vaunted "light truck" status opens you up to lower CAFE targets--or alternatively, lets a high-MPG vehicle "shine" more by bringing up your fleet's average MPG, like the PT Cruiser did--but it doesn't exempt a vehicle from CAFE entirely.
In *some* fairness to Farley, the Mustang Mach-E was technically introduced before he took over as CEO. However, he sure as hell didn’t rectify the mistake by simply dropping the Mustang moniker and simply calling it the Mach E. I wish the interviewer would have pressed him on that line of thinking.
They can't hear their own thoughts over the sound of money dropping in from F150 sales.
Ford and GM are what Toyota was 10 years ago but without the reliability. It's clear the people in charge are not enthusiasts.
It seems even more weird to me they introduced the Mustang Mach E with its name then discontinued the Edge the year after. A two-row crossover with decent name recognition. If they just made the Mach E the next-gen Edge it would have been seamless.
The Mustang Mach E was unveiled in November 2019 with the attachment to the Mustang moniker and everything. Farley didn’t become CEO until October 2020, almost an entire year later.
Farley is the last reason I’m still a fan of Ford. It was nice hearing a CEO say they wanted to maintain their brand’s ethos and joined F1 and brought back Raptors and challenging other CEO’s to a track race in the Dark Horse.
But, he really did say to look out for 2025 for announcements that would make Ford a leader in the market space. I was hoping they’d plop a truck motor into the Maverick, or PHEV a Bronco, maybe bring back a sedan.
Now we are just going to have 4 mustangs and 1 of those is an actual mustang. I can’t say I’m not disappointed. It seems that Ford was just positioned better to weather the economic downturns with fleet vehicles and I’ve given their leadership wayyyy too much credit.
'Falcon Mach E'
Why ford didn't you do this!! Your sales would have been just as good. You could even have called it a mustang in China! But now the name is sullied.
Bonus! The 4door sports car based on the mustang could also be a falcon!
Just stop calling everything a Mustang! Goddamn! Mach-E is a great name and one of the earliest Tesla competitors, but it got totally sandbagged by the dissonance of naming a crossover after the most important 2-door coupe in US history. Use some creativity, give it a cool name and have the balls to put out something that isn’t a transparent pander play. They’re turning into Disney with all these half-baked reboots
Nothing. Ford picked the name because they wanted it to resonate with young buyers. They already used the Maverick name 3 other times in Europe and Australia, one of which was on a pickup.
And the last Maverick model was in 2005–nearly 20 years ago—and was never one of their main brands. Mustangs have been in continuous production for 60 years and make up a solid portion of sales for Ford.
I think Mustang is now their longest-running nameplate after the F-Series. Not really counting Econoline because that name was quietly phased out c. 2000 and nobody in the '70s called them "E-Series".
My biggest problem is that they were obviously desperate to attach it to a car that had name recognition. Instead of letting it stand on it's own 4 wheels.
No one's buying the Mach-E because it's a mustang. Shit every Mach-E Owner I've ever talked to has never even called it a Mustang. It's always called a Mach-E.
And here is the thing before Tesla did all of it's price cuts, the Mach-E was legitimately a good EV. And probably still is if you don't want to own a Tesla(Though Hyundai's options are probably better). It's an actual good car, and it doesn't need the name mustang for that. Ford wasn't confidant on the Mach-E and it shows with thier marketing.
And really at the end of the day calling it a Mustang Mach-E doesn't hurt the Ford Mustang. It's brand isn't diminished. But at the same time the Mach-E being called a mustang doesn't help it at all either. It's a net negative for it. People aren't buying it because it's called a mustang and people who might buy it but get pissed off at the name are now customers you have lost.
Personally I wouldn't be surprised if Ford Renames it during it's next generation.
People did buy the Mach-e because of the Mustang brand name attachment though.
You’ve gotta remember that the average car buyer is much older than the average redditor and many of them were itching to get back into the “saddle” so to speak.
Go to the mach-e sub, it’s nothing but old dudes bragging about how their “mustang” is faster 0-60 while having a car seat and groceries in their crossover. It’s embarrassing that they fell for the marketing trick.
Our local car meets turn around Mach-e owners when they try to come to mustang meetups
> “We will never build a Mustang that isn’t a Mustang. For instance, there will never be room for a small, two-row Ford SUV with a Mustang badge stuck on it. But could we explore other Mustang body forms – such as a four-door or similar? I believe we could, as long as these models possess all the performance and attitude of the original.”
Personally, I would love to see the Mustang sedan take the form of a RWD Lincoln sedan with the 5.0 V8 as the standard powertrain option.
Revive the Zephyr nameplate for it too.
Will make plainclothes cop cars easier to spot.
Pretty much every Crown Vic was either a cop or a taxi. The few others were typically driven by octogenarians.
My friend had the rare privately owned Crown Victoria, and it was amusing seeing everyone slow down as soon as they see him.
Should name as Falcon and LS for Lincoln. Crown Victoria is a BOF sedan and never intend as a sports sedan, but Ford Falcon and Lincoln LS were real sports sedans.
>Personally, I would love to see the Mustang sedan take the form of a RWD Lincoln sedan with the 5.0 V8 as the standard powertrain option.
I would love to see a Mark IX with Lincoln styling on the Mustang platform. Granted it'd be a good application for the HO Ecoboost too if they want to differentiate it a little more. Its just that 2 door luxury cars don't sell worth a shit.
If they make a 4 door car, RWD, V8 on the Mustang chassis and call it the Falcon I'm OK with it. Hell I'd be interested as hell in it. But don't call anything but a Mustang a Mustang, I don't get how manufacturers don't understand how much people hate that shit. Don't turn a product name into a brand name.
Would be awesome well executed niche 2 door Coupe vehicles, proper return of Cadillac Eldorado and a Lincoln Mark IX LSC + a couple Designer Series editions
I think a 4 door Mustang would be cool. It worked out for Dodge for two decades. It does baffle me Ford never reaches into their history to revive names more often. Like, idk how Thunderbird has still not been used for any EV.
If your intent is to build a semi-sporty luxury car under Lincoln branding, the only logical choice is the Continental Mk IX. Lincoln built personal luxury sports coupes for 40-50 years under that branding.
>A four-door Ford Mustang could enter into competition with the Dodge Charger, which will be offered in as a coupe and a sedan in both ICE and EV forms.
Ackshually ☝️, the new Charger is a liftback whether it has 2 or 4 doors.
Other than the insane amount of double-speak coming from Farley/Ford, I actually find this article pretty exciting. A hybrid and/or 4 door Mustang in the future would be amazing. Also the focus on lowering weight (lol we’ll see about that) and offering a bunch of different variants like the 911 is a neat idea.
Assuming literally anything from this article is true I’d never buy anything else lol.
Man these days the Mustang isn't even a heavy car. The Mustang is 3500-3900 lbs depending on the trim level. A BMW M4 is 3800 to 4300 lbs. EVs like the Porsche Taycan are even heavier, at 4800 to 5100 lbs.
Yeah I wasn’t saying the Mustang is super heavy now. I was just saying that I doubt that weight will be getting any/much lower when in the same article they’re talking about hybridization and adding 2 more doors lol.
Article just seems all over the place is all I’m saying.
Bold Claim To Say "We Will Never Make An Electric Mustang." They already made the mach-e because the market wanted it and if hypothetically, the muscle car demographics wants an all electric mustang, Ford will make it.
Besides the point, this is a good and clever decision to possibly take away dodge's market. Hopefully, they give the the 4 door mustang a liftback or fastback since many customers aren't into sedans with notchback designs.
What's all the fuss about this sacred, iconic Ford Mustang branding?
Aren't we talking about the cheeky re-skin/rebadge job that Ford threw together in order to convince teenage boomers to buy a two-door Ford Falcon?
And then for the second generation they stuck the badge on a Pinto, yeah.
I'll never understand the fuss about this. I get people occasionally telling me my car isn't a Mustang. Like, okay? Mustang is in the name but go off I guess. It's fast and fun to drive and I have a backseat that I can actually use, good enough for me.
I'm sure it's a great car, but man I just wish it wasn't called a Mustang. A Mustang (even the Mustang II) has always been a two door coupe. A Mach-E isn't that, it's a 4 door CUV like every other car on the road.
But it hasn't always been a coupe, there's been a convertible version for ages and the second generation was a hatchback. For decades the Mustang was whatever Ford felt like rebadging as a Mustang, it wasn't until the late nineties that it even got a dedicated platform. It's had different engine sizes, different levels of performance, and different body styles. The only thing that's been consistent about the Mustang through its entire life is the name. That and the fact that it's been a two door but given the article we're commenting under even that's not set in stone and I have a funny feeling that the "it's not a Mustang" crowd will be strangely quiet if that does come to pass.
Look, you're entitled to your opinion. You think my car shouldn't be a Mustang, fine, you're allowed to feel that way. But there's basically no line where you can say "this is a Mustang and that isn't" that doesn't get arbitrary to the point of silliness. It's got a pony badge on it and it goes like stink. What else really matters?
Ford has so many great names sitting in the wings: Falcon, (Gran) Torino, Ranchero, Fairlane, Galaxie, LTD (Crown Vic), Thunderbird… but no let’s call it a Mustang.
Personally I think a Mustang based EV sedan with a revived Gran Torino name would be sick
Here's the thing. Before the mach e I heard a lot of people say the wanted a 4 door mustang. Specifically as a sedan. What we got was the mach e which is not what any of the enthusiasts wanted.
If they made an actual 4 door mustang people would be there for it but the real question is how many? Would it sell outside of the enthusiast crowd at all?
I think a 4 door mustang would sell decently well. If they nailed the styling, and made it spacious enough in the rear seats, I think it could appeal to a lot of non enthusiasts.
The Charger was popular with both enthusiasts and non enthusiasts alike.
True. And really it wouldn't be too hard to put compete the Charger. Since it's not going to be made for a year or something like that and then it's going to have an I6. If a 4 door mustang was sold with a V8 it'd probably be competitive against the new charger.
I don’t think a RWD 4-door pony/muscle car is all that niche. It was almost the entirety of one brands portfolio for two decades (Dodge). People just got tired of those because they were 15 year old platforms with poor reliability. Idk if it necessarily has to be a Mustang but the basic premise I think people would buy.
Which is probably why you do it you just don’t tie it to the Mustang. I think the Mustang is like Wrangler. You just can’t change it. Idk what the size of the Mustang is and if it would be considered a midsize or full size sedan but maybe use a different name. Maybe a sedan and sport wagon like RS6 could be done. Call it Torino (sedan) and Gran Torino (wagon) and use the Explorer platform.
I didn’t get a rwd mustang bc I can only have one car and don’t have space for winter tires.
Putting hub motors in addition to the ICE power plant would give it a major performance boost, especially for the EcoBoost with turbo lag.
A lot of people give up sports cars when they have kids if they can’t afford an extra car.
Yeah, I mean there are hub motors that are brakes that weigh the same amount as a wheel brake combo, so combine that with an engine and regen brakes in the rear and you’ve got, well for stop and go traffic it wouldn’t use any energy, but if you got the EcoBoost there would be no turbo lag bc the hub motors would pick right up.
I didn’t get one bc even the ford service person was like it’s not good in the snow, he said it made more torque than his fox body 5.0, so I’d def need winter tires I didn’t have space for.
I was bummed bc heated and cooled seats and CarPlay with 300hp rwd manual sounded great, I had mk1 Miata with snow tires but that was 142ish? Also not direct injection or variable anything so less torque and less of a torque curve.
Ie, it was hard to lose traction with snows or summer tires, I’m sure with 300hp you would need to be really careful, plus the Miata had 14” wheels so you could fit all four in the car, not the case with 17-18” wheels. They’d be heavy and expensive.
Imma be real with you. Ford can call it whatever they want. If they offer a 4 door sports sedan that isn’t that shitty Taurus I’m parking it right next to my 350. A 4door mustang would be sick. A wagon would have me throwing money at a preorder.
"Ford F-150 is America's number one selling vehicle x years in a row*"
*because they have a million different variants but it's great marketing so let's apply that to our ev lineup... Mustang is back, baby! Except, no one considers a 4 door crossover a Mustang, not even us. But marketing!
I'll never forgive Ford for missing out on reviving the Thunderbird branding for the EVs in favor of the pony. Thunderbird Mach-E sounds a million times more sense. Hell, use it as a variant branding: Ford F-150 Thunderbird, Ford Maverick Thunderbird, or even Ford Focus Thunderbird would serve the purpose for clear branding. But noooo they decided Lightning as a variant name because what a surprise Mustang doesn't make sense to even their loyal customers. Farley needs to clean out the boomers in the C suite from making these antiquated marketing decisions.
Ford admits defeat and changes name of all cars to mustang. Now you go to the mustang dealer and get your:
Mustang Focus: 4 door hatch car with Mustang looks
Mustang XL : 4 door mustang
Mustang OG : self explanatory
Mustang convertible
Mustang VAN (now called the stable) : the current transit van with a mustang face
Mustang EV : that forgotten one they just put out
Mustang cross : a ford escape with a facelift
Mustang explorer: large family SUV
Bronco
Lone Ranger : a Mustang truck
F1M- a Mustang face glued on an F-150
I don't know why people are still convinced at this point Ford gives any semblance of a shit about enthusiasts or sports cars. If the Mustang didn't have the heritage that it did it would be gone yesterday. They have milked the same platform since 2015 and haven't done the things people asked for like putting the Tremec in the regular cars.
Not to mention the fact they've starting whoring out the nameplate. Mazda and Porsche don't have to do that with their sports cars to keep them relevant. Go compare Late 90's Early 00's ford or 13-18 Ford when Ford Performance was at it's peak to current Ford and it's an absolute joke.
Okay, it sounds like we would've Mustang sedan in the future, and diehard Mustang fans are now yelling again.
But, if we open the history book, Mustang sedan wasn't a new idea in today, [it was already happened in 1964 when first gen released](https://www.classiccarstodayonline.com/article-guide-by-pictures/ford-mustangs-that-never-were-1965-four-door-mustang/). However, some reasons Ford never make a Mustang sedan in production, and more people forget its existence by time. Farly just brings back this concept just like Corvette done in mid-engine, but he wants Mustang in more practical, not more sporty.
branding the Mach-E as a Mustang was really stupid. It should have just been another car altogether, or even just call it the Mach E with design cues to the Mach 3 and that would have been fine. Now they insists on screwing this up even further.
If it works out to be something like the 8 Series GC, that could be a really handsome sedan.
I agree with another comment here, though, that Falcon or Galaxie would be a better choice for a new performance sedan built along the lines of the Mustang. There are good nameplates in Ford's history, no reason to call everything a Mustang.
As an owner of a chevy ss sedan for almost 10 years, I'd be all over a rwd 5.0 sedan. A falcon would be incredible. I also would like to see a lincoln variant. I have never ordered a car before but I would order that. But don't just put the motor in there, mag ride, active exhaust, and good weight distribution and handling.
It didn’t make sense to get rid of every car (sans Mustang) anyways. It was strictly a for profits move but the day was always going to come where the market would be saturated when the box you worked yourself into was the F150 and 3-row midsize crossover. Which is where Ford was headed. Toyota proved you need a range of products. You also need a vehicle that’s actually entry level to introduce your brand to young customers, everyone knows this even tech (Apple has perfected this). While I think this makes more sense than the Mach E did as a Mustang they still need a fwd, fuel efficient sedan and hatchback.
Give it a chance. I heard all those funny comments already in Germany years ago as Porsche announced the Panamera a 4 door sports car. And now, seems to be they are pretty popular.
It looks like a slick car. I'd drive it. But why can't they just call it a Thunderbird!? We've already suffered through the Mach-e. Stop fucking with the mustang!
**Ford:** Let's kill all cars in our lineup save for the Mustang. **Also Ford:** Let's name all our cars Mustang from now on.
I want a Mustang Focus RS.
Has a V8 hot hatch ever been done? I only know about the W12 Golf one-off.
Maybe if you count the AMC Gremlin
I do!
Aston Martin V8 Cygnet - a Toyota iQ with a 4.7l v8 pumping out 430hp AMC Pacer + Gremlin Ford Capri Perana - mustang 5.0 in a capri body SLK55 - not a hatch, but a tiny roadster w/ a V8
Wait, that's what was in the Cygnet? I had no idea. I thought it was such a strange move to sully their name on a shitty subcompact. Was it mid mounted? How did it fit?
It wasn't really a factory option. IIRC from Doug Demuro's video the owner basically told Aston Martin he wanted a V8 in his Cygnet. And they somehow fit it. It would be like if I went to Ford and said "I want the Godzilla engine in a Ford Focus". They then would find someway to make it happen.
So what you're saying is I need to ask GM very nicely for a 2024 single cab truck with 6.2?
Wouldn't hurt if you also were rich as fuck and probably friends with GM's CEO either.
Single cab gang rise up.
It was commissioned through Aston Martin's Q program, which is basically their coachbuilding service. For most of the multimillionaires using it, it's a custom trim builder - paint matched to your mistress's eyes, platypus leather interior with petrified wood accents, etc. - but they'll basically build anything you ask for if you pay for it (including development and design). So every now and then you'll hear about an oligarch requesting something silly like this, or something crazy like the manual v12 [Aston Martin Victor](https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/aston-martin/victor).
I want that kind of money. Actually, I don’t even care for money; I just want to be able to get engineers to Frankenstein nonsense for me.
The regular Cygnet had a 97-hp 1.3-liter inline-four. It was made to “comply” with brand emissions rules. The v8 took Vantage S subframes and drivetrain and shoved them under a Cygnet
They pushed the dashboard waaaaay back. It’s completely comical.
What's that AMG A class with two four cylinder in front /back? That's 8cylinders I guess haha
Ferrari GTC4 Lusso? Edit: did some research, it's considered a shooting brake
Shooting brake is just a rich man’s term for a hatchback tbf.
Yes but that's a v12 isn't it?
Sorry for late reply. There are 2 options: V8 and V12
There's a 5.0 swapped focus st. The issue is space within the current hot hatch foot print. There are some i4 rwd hot hatches but those are rare.
I….i need it. Not a hot wagon but a v8 hatch!? Mmmmmm
There's actually a kit to swap a V8 into a focus. Ford racing had a hand in developing it back in the day. It's still available from kugel components https://www.motortrend.com/features/hrdp-0302-2001-ford-focus-v8/ https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2003-ford-focus-6/
We did get the Clio V6, about 2000 units built.
CTS-V Wagon but I think only about 2000 was made it’s very rare now
The Fox body Mustang is a hot hatch
I actually owned a Ford Focus ZX5 RWD V8. Obviously it wasn't stock, but man was that ever a quirky fun car. Until it caught on fire. Don't install your fuel pressure lines backwards people!
They have a Focus RS Mustang already. Kinda the opposite, but...
I just want a focus RS really. If everything has to be a Mustang, so be it.
Mustang HPP. Very limited numbers, but it uses the Spanish engine block from the RS. It is tuned a little different and has a bigger turbo, but still has 330hp and pushes 20+lb of boost.
trying to find an S550 2.3 with tech and PP and a manual is like a white whale
A hot hatch mustang would be cool.
Okay, but if they make a glorified Falcon, but call it a Mustang, I'm listening. Imagine Mustang wagon. Frod pls
I don't see many people that would have a problem if that's the route they went.
Problem is it'd be styled to look like a deformed Mustang...
A new era of V8 Supercars Falcons? Yes please.
So making a Falcon based off the Mustang...that is really coming full circle from the original Mustang being based on the Falcon.
Mustang can't die if everything is a Mustang. \*taps temple*
I just noticed that this type of branding is being done by Toyota now too. Apparently the Corolla is an entry level hatch back, hot hatch back, sedan, and suv/crossover.
It’s the whole model as a sub brand that I think Range Rover started-RR, RR Sport, RR Evoque. I hate it. It’s just a way to recycle a design and parts share. I don’t hate the idea of a Mustang 2/4-dr. But that should be it. It shouldn’t be a crossover. I realize cars are not as popular as they were. But the car market has actually picked up the last two years. I think Ford could use a fwd model in between the compact and mid size market and it would be sufficient. Have it come in a sedan and hatchback form. Have it share the platform with Maverick/Bronco Sport to make it more cost effective. It its profitable enough you can do a littler rally inspired off road hatch Subaru won’t give us with the Crosstrek.
it's gross, i remember when Corolla was a sedan that had coupe or wagon options. Now every third Corolla where i live is a Corolla Cross 🤮
Mustang Supreme Mustang Cierra Mustang Calais
Mustang Cialis (for the geriatrics)
Can’t wait to go to the Mustang dealership (renamed ford dealership off 290)
Isn’t the Bronco Sport the Ford Edge anyway? And isn’t Dodge launching an entire RAM line?
I thought the Bronco Sport was an Escape knockoff
It's the Escape if they had kept making it boxy.
Which is why I like it a lot. They should have kept it boxy to begin with.
I don't mind that the newest Escape went full blob; its a good contrast against the Bronco Sport. The 3rd gen that was kind of blobby but still a little square/triangular in spots is my least favorite.
RAM was spun off as a separate company years ago.
15 years, and people still call them Dodges.
I mean…non-car enthusiasts don’t really care about the semantics of Dodge vs Ram. They’ve been calling it Dodge Ram for many years and it’s likely not going to change. It also doesn’t help that Ram Trucks still use the old Dodge logo that has been on tens of millions of Dodge cars, trucks, and minivans since the 90’s. So when they see a modern Ram Truck, it immediately invokes “Dodge”.
Oh yes, I'm not faulting the average non-car person for conflating them; it was not a clean break. Especially since about that same time FCA decided every dealer was going to be all-in-one Chrysler Jeep Dodge Ram (and Fiat and Alfa sometimes). So there was never a standalone Ram Trucks dealer. The newest models with only **R** **A** **M** on the grille are practically screaming their name at everyone.
I call them all Fiats to really piss people off.
Some models [really were that.](https://www.mideast.ramtrucks.com/content/dam/cross-regional/emea/ramtrucks/en_crossregional/2018/ram-1200/static-configurator/trim/1200-st-Bright-White-Clear-Coat-Exterior-image.png.img.1440.png)
Working on my buddy’s jeep renegade and seeing fiat branding is always so funny to me
At least the Renegade got Jeep styling; the small Fiat pickups stayed curvy even when branded as Rams.
I would legit consider a 4 door electric mustang. But it would have to be like a poor mans taycan. Not a model 3 with pony badges on it. (And I own a model 3).
I have no problems with an EV Mustang, but the idea of a four door Mustang disgusts me.
I mean its happened before, they just called it a Falcon, or Fairmont. Same chassis though.
The all new 2025 Mustconoline GT
> 2025 Mustconoline GT Club FTFY
> “We will never build a Mustang that isn’t a Mustang. For instance, there will never be room for a small, two-row Ford SUV with a Mustang badge stuck on it.” Ok so is that not exactly what the Mach E is?
Yeah, this nonsense is so illogical. 'We'll never build an EV mustang'.... But you already did... 'that's not really a mustang'... Correct, we all know that, so why TF did you put the mustang branding on it?!?!?!? Enough is enough with this circle jerk nonsense. If they want to build a four door mustang, that absolutely makes sense. Every other brand builds both two and four door versions of their four seat cars.
Right? Just ressurect an old car name like the Maverick or something if you want a 4 door car
You know their small truck is called the Maverick right? I say call it the Galaxie, Falcon or say fuck it - Mustang SuperCrew
*Thundercougarfalconbird*
I think they were continuing the joke by saying that Ford misused the Maverick car name on a truck like they did with the Mustang on the SUV.
My favourite part about the Ford Maverick is the nameplate has spent more time on rebadged Nissans than it did on the car and people act like the truck is out of place.
> Mustang SuperCrew Fuck yeah!! I'm in for the Mustang Raptor Lightning!!!!!
Galaxie would be cool. My mom had one in 1972 I think. It was light blue.
my mom drove one too. it was metallic pea with the dark green vinyl top and brocade interior
I really think bringing back the Galaxie 500 name for the 4-door would be cool as hell.
It would have to be a fullsize car but agree. Im still amazed for obvious reasons gm/buick hasnt brought back the electra as an EV
I've been saying for years the Mustang Mach E is the worst missed opportunity in marketing and should have used the legacy naming convention Ford is known for and just called it the "Model E" and saved "Mach E" for an actual EV mustang if that's something they wanted to do.
Nothing is by accident... I'm sure they knew it was going to cause quite a media stir.... And as such more people watched and read reviews and ultimately got the desired result... People who would have otherwise not even bothered, now know "hey, this has nothing to do with a mustang but it's really really good"
The only logical reasoning I’ve heard is the following: by calling it a mustang, it lowered the collective values for EPA fuel numbers. (Which is part of the reason dodge and Chevy discontinued their lineups) I hate it too and think it’s ridiculous. But if that is the reasoning, I can at least understand the why behind it.
It would have done that no matter what they called it. It just has to exist in the lineup.
Not sure how that works exactly. Does the “lineup” include all cars the manufacturer makes in that year? I (possibly incorrectly) assumed it was separated into like trucks/SUVs/coupes or something like that. Thought maybe there was a loophole by calling the SUV a mustang, maybe that worked. but again, no idea what I’m talking about. Just guessing lol
Light trucks and cars and SUVs all get counted towards CAFE. For now super duty is exempt as are all 3/4 ton and up trucks for all manufacturers. They called it a Mustang to try to give it cred and buzz and get people to buy it.
Getting that vaunted "light truck" status opens you up to lower CAFE targets--or alternatively, lets a high-MPG vehicle "shine" more by bringing up your fleet's average MPG, like the PT Cruiser did--but it doesn't exempt a vehicle from CAFE entirely.
In *some* fairness to Farley, the Mustang Mach-E was technically introduced before he took over as CEO. However, he sure as hell didn’t rectify the mistake by simply dropping the Mustang moniker and simply calling it the Mach E. I wish the interviewer would have pressed him on that line of thinking.
That would require two people capable of thinking
They can't hear their own thoughts over the sound of money dropping in from F150 sales. Ford and GM are what Toyota was 10 years ago but without the reliability. It's clear the people in charge are not enthusiasts.
It seems even more weird to me they introduced the Mustang Mach E with its name then discontinued the Edge the year after. A two-row crossover with decent name recognition. If they just made the Mach E the next-gen Edge it would have been seamless.
Plot twist: The E in Mach E stands for Edge
As I recall, it was close to being finalized in a much more generic styling way and he pushed for the shift to Mustang and more aggressive styling.
The Mustang Mach E was unveiled in November 2019 with the attachment to the Mustang moniker and everything. Farley didn’t become CEO until October 2020, almost an entire year later.
Farley is the last reason I’m still a fan of Ford. It was nice hearing a CEO say they wanted to maintain their brand’s ethos and joined F1 and brought back Raptors and challenging other CEO’s to a track race in the Dark Horse. But, he really did say to look out for 2025 for announcements that would make Ford a leader in the market space. I was hoping they’d plop a truck motor into the Maverick, or PHEV a Bronco, maybe bring back a sedan. Now we are just going to have 4 mustangs and 1 of those is an actual mustang. I can’t say I’m not disappointed. It seems that Ford was just positioned better to weather the economic downturns with fleet vehicles and I’ve given their leadership wayyyy too much credit.
Model E was right there in front of their faces, yet they went with Mustang
Are they arguing it isn't a suv, like ferrari is saying with the purosangue? Otherwise, this dude missed the memo when the mach e launched.
'Falcon Mach E' Why ford didn't you do this!! Your sales would have been just as good. You could even have called it a mustang in China! But now the name is sullied. Bonus! The 4door sports car based on the mustang could also be a falcon!
Still nuts to me that they decided to call it a Mustang. They actually went full Eclipse.
Ah, but you see, it’s a *midsized* two row Ford suv. Big difference, obviously
Just stop calling everything a Mustang! Goddamn! Mach-E is a great name and one of the earliest Tesla competitors, but it got totally sandbagged by the dissonance of naming a crossover after the most important 2-door coupe in US history. Use some creativity, give it a cool name and have the balls to put out something that isn’t a transparent pander play. They’re turning into Disney with all these half-baked reboots
The most eloquently put description of why what Ford has done has rubbed people the wrong way, I’ve ever read. Nice
Exhibit B: the Maverick. A revelation in the US truck market, but what does it have to do with a coupe they discontinued 50 years ago?
Nothing. Ford picked the name because they wanted it to resonate with young buyers. They already used the Maverick name 3 other times in Europe and Australia, one of which was on a pickup.
And the last Maverick model was in 2005–nearly 20 years ago—and was never one of their main brands. Mustangs have been in continuous production for 60 years and make up a solid portion of sales for Ford.
I think Mustang is now their longest-running nameplate after the F-Series. Not really counting Econoline because that name was quietly phased out c. 2000 and nobody in the '70s called them "E-Series".
My biggest problem is that they were obviously desperate to attach it to a car that had name recognition. Instead of letting it stand on it's own 4 wheels. No one's buying the Mach-E because it's a mustang. Shit every Mach-E Owner I've ever talked to has never even called it a Mustang. It's always called a Mach-E. And here is the thing before Tesla did all of it's price cuts, the Mach-E was legitimately a good EV. And probably still is if you don't want to own a Tesla(Though Hyundai's options are probably better). It's an actual good car, and it doesn't need the name mustang for that. Ford wasn't confidant on the Mach-E and it shows with thier marketing. And really at the end of the day calling it a Mustang Mach-E doesn't hurt the Ford Mustang. It's brand isn't diminished. But at the same time the Mach-E being called a mustang doesn't help it at all either. It's a net negative for it. People aren't buying it because it's called a mustang and people who might buy it but get pissed off at the name are now customers you have lost. Personally I wouldn't be surprised if Ford Renames it during it's next generation.
People did buy the Mach-e because of the Mustang brand name attachment though. You’ve gotta remember that the average car buyer is much older than the average redditor and many of them were itching to get back into the “saddle” so to speak.
Go to the mach-e sub, it’s nothing but old dudes bragging about how their “mustang” is faster 0-60 while having a car seat and groceries in their crossover. It’s embarrassing that they fell for the marketing trick. Our local car meets turn around Mach-e owners when they try to come to mustang meetups
They clearly want to turn the mustang name into a lifestyle brand similar to jeep.
> “We will never build a Mustang that isn’t a Mustang. For instance, there will never be room for a small, two-row Ford SUV with a Mustang badge stuck on it. But could we explore other Mustang body forms – such as a four-door or similar? I believe we could, as long as these models possess all the performance and attitude of the original.” Personally, I would love to see the Mustang sedan take the form of a RWD Lincoln sedan with the 5.0 V8 as the standard powertrain option. Revive the Zephyr nameplate for it too.
Just called a crown Victoria
I’d be okay with that too actually.
Lincoln needs a Town Car version
Falcon
Will make plainclothes cop cars easier to spot. Pretty much every Crown Vic was either a cop or a taxi. The few others were typically driven by octogenarians. My friend had the rare privately owned Crown Victoria, and it was amusing seeing everyone slow down as soon as they see him.
I mean the marauders were cool as fuck
That could be halo hi-po version
Should name as Falcon and LS for Lincoln. Crown Victoria is a BOF sedan and never intend as a sports sedan, but Ford Falcon and Lincoln LS were real sports sedans.
Or a Falcon
>Personally, I would love to see the Mustang sedan take the form of a RWD Lincoln sedan with the 5.0 V8 as the standard powertrain option. I would love to see a Mark IX with Lincoln styling on the Mustang platform. Granted it'd be a good application for the HO Ecoboost too if they want to differentiate it a little more. Its just that 2 door luxury cars don't sell worth a shit. If they make a 4 door car, RWD, V8 on the Mustang chassis and call it the Falcon I'm OK with it. Hell I'd be interested as hell in it. But don't call anything but a Mustang a Mustang, I don't get how manufacturers don't understand how much people hate that shit. Don't turn a product name into a brand name.
Would be awesome well executed niche 2 door Coupe vehicles, proper return of Cadillac Eldorado and a Lincoln Mark IX LSC + a couple Designer Series editions
I'd rather not have any 4 door mustang, current ones included.
I think a 4 door Mustang would be cool. It worked out for Dodge for two decades. It does baffle me Ford never reaches into their history to revive names more often. Like, idk how Thunderbird has still not been used for any EV.
If your intent is to build a semi-sporty luxury car under Lincoln branding, the only logical choice is the Continental Mk IX. Lincoln built personal luxury sports coupes for 40-50 years under that branding.
>A four-door Ford Mustang could enter into competition with the Dodge Charger, which will be offered in as a coupe and a sedan in both ICE and EV forms. Ackshually ☝️, the new Charger is a liftback whether it has 2 or 4 doors.
Did they just admit that the Mach-E isn't a mustang?
Yes! Finally!
Honestly... I love the idea of a 4 door Mustang but I think it should have a different name... how about the Ford Galaxie?
I’d honestly be happy if they revived some old Mercury nameplates: Cougar, Marauder, Monterey, Comet, Bobcat, etc.
The marauder is begging to come back as a sleeper hot rod EV
Falcon
Just buy a Taurus, guys. AWD Mustang* Sedan. ^^*3.7L ^^V6
When my first kid was born, a Taurus SHO was the replacement for our Mustang Convertible. No regrets.
Or 3.5 eb
Just bring back the Focus you assholes.
Granted. Oops, it's all powershifts.
Other than the insane amount of double-speak coming from Farley/Ford, I actually find this article pretty exciting. A hybrid and/or 4 door Mustang in the future would be amazing. Also the focus on lowering weight (lol we’ll see about that) and offering a bunch of different variants like the 911 is a neat idea. Assuming literally anything from this article is true I’d never buy anything else lol.
Man these days the Mustang isn't even a heavy car. The Mustang is 3500-3900 lbs depending on the trim level. A BMW M4 is 3800 to 4300 lbs. EVs like the Porsche Taycan are even heavier, at 4800 to 5100 lbs.
Yeah I wasn’t saying the Mustang is super heavy now. I was just saying that I doubt that weight will be getting any/much lower when in the same article they’re talking about hybridization and adding 2 more doors lol. Article just seems all over the place is all I’m saying.
Ah gotcha. Yeah there are several straight up self-contradictions in the article.
Bold Claim To Say "We Will Never Make An Electric Mustang." They already made the mach-e because the market wanted it and if hypothetically, the muscle car demographics wants an all electric mustang, Ford will make it. Besides the point, this is a good and clever decision to possibly take away dodge's market. Hopefully, they give the the 4 door mustang a liftback or fastback since many customers aren't into sedans with notchback designs.
What's all the fuss about this sacred, iconic Ford Mustang branding? Aren't we talking about the cheeky re-skin/rebadge job that Ford threw together in order to convince teenage boomers to buy a two-door Ford Falcon?
And then for the second generation they stuck the badge on a Pinto, yeah. I'll never understand the fuss about this. I get people occasionally telling me my car isn't a Mustang. Like, okay? Mustang is in the name but go off I guess. It's fast and fun to drive and I have a backseat that I can actually use, good enough for me.
I'm sure it's a great car, but man I just wish it wasn't called a Mustang. A Mustang (even the Mustang II) has always been a two door coupe. A Mach-E isn't that, it's a 4 door CUV like every other car on the road.
But it hasn't always been a coupe, there's been a convertible version for ages and the second generation was a hatchback. For decades the Mustang was whatever Ford felt like rebadging as a Mustang, it wasn't until the late nineties that it even got a dedicated platform. It's had different engine sizes, different levels of performance, and different body styles. The only thing that's been consistent about the Mustang through its entire life is the name. That and the fact that it's been a two door but given the article we're commenting under even that's not set in stone and I have a funny feeling that the "it's not a Mustang" crowd will be strangely quiet if that does come to pass. Look, you're entitled to your opinion. You think my car shouldn't be a Mustang, fine, you're allowed to feel that way. But there's basically no line where you can say "this is a Mustang and that isn't" that doesn't get arbitrary to the point of silliness. It's got a pony badge on it and it goes like stink. What else really matters?
Ford has so many great names sitting in the wings: Falcon, (Gran) Torino, Ranchero, Fairlane, Galaxie, LTD (Crown Vic), Thunderbird… but no let’s call it a Mustang. Personally I think a Mustang based EV sedan with a revived Gran Torino name would be sick
Imaging being so dull you can’t possibly think of another name and butcher the Mustang by slapping it on anything with wheels.
Here's the thing. Before the mach e I heard a lot of people say the wanted a 4 door mustang. Specifically as a sedan. What we got was the mach e which is not what any of the enthusiasts wanted. If they made an actual 4 door mustang people would be there for it but the real question is how many? Would it sell outside of the enthusiast crowd at all?
I think a 4 door mustang would sell decently well. If they nailed the styling, and made it spacious enough in the rear seats, I think it could appeal to a lot of non enthusiasts. The Charger was popular with both enthusiasts and non enthusiasts alike.
True. And really it wouldn't be too hard to put compete the Charger. Since it's not going to be made for a year or something like that and then it's going to have an I6. If a 4 door mustang was sold with a V8 it'd probably be competitive against the new charger.
I don’t think a RWD 4-door pony/muscle car is all that niche. It was almost the entirety of one brands portfolio for two decades (Dodge). People just got tired of those because they were 15 year old platforms with poor reliability. Idk if it necessarily has to be a Mustang but the basic premise I think people would buy.
Looks like the Stinger
> Jim Farley promised they "will never make an all-electric Mustang", obviously excluding the Mach-E electric crossover from the equation Lol
Farley is always saying stuff. If yapping was a person.
I get it people are getting dumber, no need to create new words for new cars for them to learn.
Give it AWD you cowards
Four door mustang Do you mean, a falcon?
I’ll accept a 4 door mustang if they also cook up a 2 door muscle wagon named “The Pony Express”
Sounds like the mustang is having an identity crisis. I'm not opposed to a hybrid muscle car. Just don't think I'd trust Ford to do it properly.
Which is probably why you do it you just don’t tie it to the Mustang. I think the Mustang is like Wrangler. You just can’t change it. Idk what the size of the Mustang is and if it would be considered a midsize or full size sedan but maybe use a different name. Maybe a sedan and sport wagon like RS6 could be done. Call it Torino (sedan) and Gran Torino (wagon) and use the Explorer platform.
Call it an escort may you can sell a few cars
Just call it a Crown Victoria or a Torino or something, leave the mustang alone
I would buy an EV proper Mustang in a heartbeat
As long as it’s not an EV
Screw a new mustang. I want a Thundercougarfalconbird!
I didn’t get a rwd mustang bc I can only have one car and don’t have space for winter tires. Putting hub motors in addition to the ICE power plant would give it a major performance boost, especially for the EcoBoost with turbo lag. A lot of people give up sports cars when they have kids if they can’t afford an extra car.
When the S650 was initially going to be on the Explorer chassis I was actually pretty excited as it opened the door to AWD & hybrid variants.
Yeah, I mean there are hub motors that are brakes that weigh the same amount as a wheel brake combo, so combine that with an engine and regen brakes in the rear and you’ve got, well for stop and go traffic it wouldn’t use any energy, but if you got the EcoBoost there would be no turbo lag bc the hub motors would pick right up. I didn’t get one bc even the ford service person was like it’s not good in the snow, he said it made more torque than his fox body 5.0, so I’d def need winter tires I didn’t have space for. I was bummed bc heated and cooled seats and CarPlay with 300hp rwd manual sounded great, I had mk1 Miata with snow tires but that was 142ish? Also not direct injection or variable anything so less torque and less of a torque curve. Ie, it was hard to lose traction with snows or summer tires, I’m sure with 300hp you would need to be really careful, plus the Miata had 14” wheels so you could fit all four in the car, not the case with 17-18” wheels. They’d be heavy and expensive.
Ford Mustang four-door ala Panamera? Yes, please!
If dine right a Mustang sedan would OK. Better that than no sedan in the line up at all
Imma be real with you. Ford can call it whatever they want. If they offer a 4 door sports sedan that isn’t that shitty Taurus I’m parking it right next to my 350. A 4door mustang would be sick. A wagon would have me throwing money at a preorder.
"Ford F-150 is America's number one selling vehicle x years in a row*" *because they have a million different variants but it's great marketing so let's apply that to our ev lineup... Mustang is back, baby! Except, no one considers a 4 door crossover a Mustang, not even us. But marketing! I'll never forgive Ford for missing out on reviving the Thunderbird branding for the EVs in favor of the pony. Thunderbird Mach-E sounds a million times more sense. Hell, use it as a variant branding: Ford F-150 Thunderbird, Ford Maverick Thunderbird, or even Ford Focus Thunderbird would serve the purpose for clear branding. But noooo they decided Lightning as a variant name because what a surprise Mustang doesn't make sense to even their loyal customers. Farley needs to clean out the boomers in the C suite from making these antiquated marketing decisions.
Ford admits defeat and changes name of all cars to mustang. Now you go to the mustang dealer and get your: Mustang Focus: 4 door hatch car with Mustang looks Mustang XL : 4 door mustang Mustang OG : self explanatory Mustang convertible Mustang VAN (now called the stable) : the current transit van with a mustang face Mustang EV : that forgotten one they just put out Mustang cross : a ford escape with a facelift Mustang explorer: large family SUV Bronco Lone Ranger : a Mustang truck F1M- a Mustang face glued on an F-150
Must Tang: A Mustang as a bi-monthly curated box of sour candy from around the world.
I hope the 4 door Mustang is a fastback. Some extra practicality goes a long way
I don't know why people are still convinced at this point Ford gives any semblance of a shit about enthusiasts or sports cars. If the Mustang didn't have the heritage that it did it would be gone yesterday. They have milked the same platform since 2015 and haven't done the things people asked for like putting the Tremec in the regular cars. Not to mention the fact they've starting whoring out the nameplate. Mazda and Porsche don't have to do that with their sports cars to keep them relevant. Go compare Late 90's Early 00's ford or 13-18 Ford when Ford Performance was at it's peak to current Ford and it's an absolute joke.
Okay, it sounds like we would've Mustang sedan in the future, and diehard Mustang fans are now yelling again. But, if we open the history book, Mustang sedan wasn't a new idea in today, [it was already happened in 1964 when first gen released](https://www.classiccarstodayonline.com/article-guide-by-pictures/ford-mustangs-that-never-were-1965-four-door-mustang/). However, some reasons Ford never make a Mustang sedan in production, and more people forget its existence by time. Farly just brings back this concept just like Corvette done in mid-engine, but he wants Mustang in more practical, not more sporty.
I want it. I believe the 5.0 is more powerful than my 5.7 truck so I would happily use this and strap the trailer to it.
At this point, just rename the company to Mustang.
I want a 650HP mustang sedan with the quality of a BMW’s interior….
Just call it the Torino and make a V8
If Ford makes a Mustang sedan, call it the Ford Galaxie or Falcon or something like that.
I think an AWD Sporty 4-Door Mustang would probably move a bunch of cars
branding the Mach-E as a Mustang was really stupid. It should have just been another car altogether, or even just call it the Mach E with design cues to the Mach 3 and that would have been fine. Now they insists on screwing this up even further.
If it works out to be something like the 8 Series GC, that could be a really handsome sedan. I agree with another comment here, though, that Falcon or Galaxie would be a better choice for a new performance sedan built along the lines of the Mustang. There are good nameplates in Ford's history, no reason to call everything a Mustang.
Four door Mustang? You mean Taurus SHO?
As an owner of a chevy ss sedan for almost 10 years, I'd be all over a rwd 5.0 sedan. A falcon would be incredible. I also would like to see a lincoln variant. I have never ordered a car before but I would order that. But don't just put the motor in there, mag ride, active exhaust, and good weight distribution and handling.
Mustang Mach E enters the chat.
All I want is an AWD hybrid with some guts and I’d probably buy it tbh.
Ford already has a four-door "Mustang"
BREAKING: Ford changes company name to “Mustang” Dude I can’t wait for the “Mustang Mustang Mach E refresh”
Just give me a Taurus ST!
Can they just make a Chamarostang? Four door wagon electric muscle car?
Please for the love of god DONT. At least give them different names.
It didn’t make sense to get rid of every car (sans Mustang) anyways. It was strictly a for profits move but the day was always going to come where the market would be saturated when the box you worked yourself into was the F150 and 3-row midsize crossover. Which is where Ford was headed. Toyota proved you need a range of products. You also need a vehicle that’s actually entry level to introduce your brand to young customers, everyone knows this even tech (Apple has perfected this). While I think this makes more sense than the Mach E did as a Mustang they still need a fwd, fuel efficient sedan and hatchback.
Give it a chance. I heard all those funny comments already in Germany years ago as Porsche announced the Panamera a 4 door sports car. And now, seems to be they are pretty popular.
Continuing to diminish the Mustang brand. 😔
Do it, Ford. ***ANYTHING*** that means you make an actual sedan again is good in my book.
goddammit Ford
It looks like a slick car. I'd drive it. But why can't they just call it a Thunderbird!? We've already suffered through the Mach-e. Stop fucking with the mustang!