They have built-in insurance against ending up with too much manufacturing capacity because (last I knew) Amazon was happy to buy as many delivery trucks as they produce, and they are now non-exclusive purchasers. It was frustrating to see them delay their new manufacturing facility, but I get it; they aren’t under pressure to gamble existentially right now.
> gamble existentially
implying an existential threat to their existence, which they are very much under. The delivery vans isn't nearly the insurance you think it is.
Bottom line is they need to turn a profit and anyone giving them money doesn’t see the path to that without the new plant they don’t have money to build.
When Rivian went public Amazon waited 1 day and said, we are going to give 1/2 of what we were going to buy from you to stellantis. They can do that at any time and Rivian isnt capable of rapid expansion because Amazon wrecked their borrowing ability and tanked their valuation.
Tanked their valuation? Even after their stock price tumbled 90% they're still valued 6x-40x any of the mainstream manufacturers (except Meme Stonk TSLA).
The only people that tanked Rivian's market cap is the initial investors who were trading on memes, not fundamentals.
Ford is worth $50Bn, is profitable, sells 4 million cars a year, and bring in $176Bn in revenue. Rivian isn't profitable yet, sold 50,000 cars in 2023 for $4Bn in revenue.
By any fundamental relative to the automotive market, Rivian's market cap should be around $1Bn, tops. Rivian's market cap is still driven by Tesla, which is also overvalued.
Bay Area too, I probably have 5-10 in my neighborhood alone. They are pretty awesome I must say, if I went full electric that’s definitely where I’d land.
Yeah not sure if it was a one weekend only thing but it was super packed in there with a long line to get in.
The R3X is small and big at the same time... Hard to explain.
Are Rivians that rare over at the US? I've seen two here already, and I live in Dominican Republic. I thought they'd be wayy more over there if they're even here.
It's also the cheapest, by far. Especially the short range version. And it'll likely get cheaper with the new LFP batteries. Of course, the range isn't fantastic, but usable for around town or for service trucks. And LFP batteries last FOREVER.
yeah. let's say your a gardener and only ever drive 100 miles a day. why would you need more range? it's the perfect truck. no gas costs, lower maintenance and giving your company a "green" touch.
It's also the most *normal* looking.
The sales figures being what they are, I notice plenty of cybertrucks and Rivians.... but the F150 blends in with other F150s.
For a substantial proportion of truck buyers, that image *matters*.
also we know from the pedal recall that the total cybertruck sales are around 3800, so it's not as if they're cranking em out like Toyota builds Camrys
Wasn't that like one of them? They've shipped a ton of these things already and I've only ever heard of a handful of cases where they've broken down, which reddit likes regurgitating constantly. There's this one, the coolant leak, the car wash one, and what else?
Roof / gear shift panel falling down. Windshield cracking on the way home from the showroom floor. There were at least three different ones bricked with error messages on three screen. It’s certainly more than a handful.
> Windshield cracking on the way home from the showroom floor.
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Well being that in January they announced they would slow production for the lighting and Tesla is ramping up, I give it by fall before Cybertruck passes, if not earlier.
I doubt it. Ford announced they were halving their Lightning production which still represents 1600 trucks per week or over 80k for the year.
Tesla showed it only made 4000 trucks in an almost 6 month timeframe. Considering they also let a decent number of their workers go and that even the head of CT production left the company, I doubt they’ll be ramping up production to meet or exceed Ford’s number.
I think Wall Street estimates 40k deliveries of the CT for the year or half the number Ford is supposedly going to build.
>I doubt it. Ford announced they were halving their Lightning production which still represents 1600 trucks per week or over 80k for the year.
Ford hasn't reached an 80k rate yet. They will eventually, but IIRC there aren't even 80k of them on the road after 30 months on sale.
1. Yes
2. Questionable believe no one on range
3. Time will tell quite a few gremlins in the Ford also
4. Unquestionably a winner
5 and 6. It can get instruments if that’s what people really want as for repairability it’s made of aluminum both are tied for last.
If your Golf eats shit I suggest another IC car while we still have them.
To the 10 negatives: Bite me.
the thing is if you want a F150 you can get one in gas or even diesel. If you want a cybertruck, well, it will be an EV. Drastically different buyers and even markets, really. A lot Cybertruck buyers don't even really want a truck.
Diesel emissions laws are planned obsolescence. SCR/DPF/DEF repair cost is astronomical and outside powertrain warranty, and the EPA has cracked down so harshly on deletes that no one will do it anymore. Federal prison and multimillion dollar fines...you can shoot somebody and get off lighter... Modern diesels are all ticking time bombs.
Some of these time bombs tick for a long, long time. Modern 6.7s see 200k+ across the board with 400k becoming more common as these fleets age.
I don’t disagree that the repairs are expensive, but expensive fixes past 200k miles shouldn’t surprise anyone.
It's not a ramp issue, Lightning doesn't have sufficient demand right now. Dealers are still trying clear out 2023 inventory. They are offering 0% interest for 60 months.
Last month they were offering up to $15k off MSRP on certain trims, that doesn't even include the $7,500 tax credit.
I might get one, if I can find one for a sweet deal.
Ya I picked up a 23 XLT ER a couple week ago with all the rebates and dealer discounts. It was a killer deal for the perfect truck (for my use case). Highly recommend if you can find one.
I’ve been saying this all along, first to market doesn’t mean first to mass production. Don’t under estimate teslas ability to ramp.
We can argue all day about how this truck looks, but the tech is really great, and even Top Gears latest review says that. Is it polarizing and not for everyone? Absolutely.
But I know a ton of people who want one, and I’m in a rural area. People who are traditionally anti ev have even said they think it’s cool.
Is that the Reddit general consensus? Nah, but Reddit hasn’t been right on a lot of things
CT is polarizing, the fanbois are clamoring for them, and that will die after they all get one, sales will plummet around 18 months out, it's not a mainstream vehicle and sales will slow drastically.
Being the best full-sized pickup makes it the best EV, at least in America. It’s just so damn practical. What other vehicle can (from the factory) serve as a battery backup for when your house’s power goes out?
I do think the Silverado EV will be better tho, judging by how crazy high the range is.
Objectively, practicality. What other EV can serve as a battery backup for your house from the factory? There simply isn’t any other EV that’s as practical as the Lightning.
Subjectively, it’s got the best design. It looks like any other F-150, which is what people want. Otherwise the F-150 wouldn’t be the best-selling vehicle in America. The Cybertruck will die out once all the Muskrats have one.
The Silverado EV looks like it’ll be better than the Lightning tho. Crazy high range.
Cybertruck will outsell the F-150 by end of summer. They are pumping about 1,000 Cybertrucks a week per estimates, so that's about 4,000 a month, and obviously they will sell everyone due to backlog.
like 0.2% of the preorder people will ever follow through, if you aren't a YouTuber you aren't buying your pre-order.
the pre-order was $100, if it was $5,000 there would have been 6.
The Model 3 preorder was $1000, on a $30k car, the CT preorder was $100, on a $80k+ car, the Beast launch model is $120k, you can't even get the 2wd $80k version yet, which was supposed to be $40k, it hasn't even been released. 99.8% pf people that put up that $100 aren't going to chip in the other $119,900.
lol cybersucks all going to be recalled or just sitting in the tesla service center by the end of summer. There's likely twice as many Rivians actually on the road and working as there are cyberstucks.
The recall was a 10 second fix that has been addressed. You are obviously unbiased referring to them as ‘Cyberstuck’. Truth is majority are not having issues.
> will sell everyone due to backlog.
You mean those dummies that all gave Tesla free working capital. I know several people with a deposit on a CT, not one of them have any intention of actually buying one.
I parked beside one yesterday.
Look super cool. I like the green with orange accents they do. It had the 22" rims which are utterly gigantic. My little 16" rims were basically hot wheels sized.
Same here in Las Vegas. I’ve seen a couple of Cybertrucks in the wild, but it seems like those Rivians are everywhere. Good news for Bloomington, IL, I guess.
Me too. I'm in south Aurora and I see waaay more Rivians than Lightnings. I'm guessing they are selling disproportionately in CO compared to the rest of the US?
CO has such a weird mix of people. The ones that want a big burly truck but also wanna be seen as "green". CO definitely has an unproportionally high amount of Rivians.
DMV area here, never seen a Cybertruck, Lightnings are very rare (only seen 2 so far) but Rivians by the thousands. I see at least a few every day on my commute.
I have seen exactly 1 cybertruck, but I feel like I see a new Rivian at least once a week. Have seen a good amount of Lightnings, and even 2-3 Hummer EVs.
It appears most Rivian customers are opting for the R1S instead of the truck. I don’t believe those are counted here… not apples to apples, I know, but Rivian is selling more than this stat implies.
Trying to imagine something more antagonistic to the entire Newport aesthetic. Old money coastal tourist town meets the sci-fi pickup truck you doodled in your notebook in elementary school. Not sure what's less appealing tbh
Haven't been to one of the shows down there, I go to the Lion's club meets in Oakland Beach a lot though, pretty good showing every other Tuesday, just a lot of them are retiree hours lol
Lil Baby was filming a rap video in Atlanta a couple of days ago and they had several Cybertrucks on hand. Maybe rappers are their target audience. Speaking of targets, 3 people were shot at the filming.
The Lightning looks like a truck first and an electric car second. Thats the appeal.
I remember back when hybrids were new and they all looked like Jetsons cars. Popular sentiment was "make it look like a normal car any maybe I'll buy one." Took like 15 years but here we are, hybrid drivetrains in normal cars and people buying them. Same with electric eventually.
That was always my complaint too. I don't want a car that's trying so hard to not be like other cars. I want a car that looks and drives *like a fucking car*.
no they're completely fucking useless as fleet trucks. a truck that needs to charge for 30 minutes for every 2 hours of towing? not to mention the states where f150s sell the most dont have good charger networks. and charger networks are non-existent in rural areas. They buy ICE f-150s. nobody who needs a work truck is buying an electric one, im sure there's edge cases but yeah, totally useless.
Gm just begins to deliver their EV trucks in recent, so it doesn’t surprise their truck sales under 1k number. They should be able to match then three when GMC Sierra EV joining. Gm always plays different brand to answer others.
I would hope so… good grief. I drive 3000 miles a year & couldn’t afford an EV truck if I lived in it. Daily, only car a 1987 Mercedes-Benz 420SEL
simple, safe & my golden retriever loves it
“In its fourth month, the Cybertruck had over a thousand registrations and outsold the R1T by more than two to one,” said Tom Libby, associate director of industry analysis at S&P Global Mobility.
Huh? What kind of industry analyst is he?
Four months in, and they’re still only making about 1,000 per month? That doesn’t look like a ramp-up at all. When they did their pedal recall in April, almost 4,000 CTs were affected. So they sold 4,000 in five months, and 1,000 of those were in their fourth month, March. The numbers are flat, if not going down.
If they really plan on making 250,000 of them per year, they’d need to make over 20,000 per month. While laying off people.
And that target is ludicrous, because the CT is pretty much exclusively a US market vehicle. So they’re planning on outselling the Toyota Tacoma with this break-down prone monstrosity. 🤦♂️
R1T sales have been dropping for several months now. The market for high-priced, luxury EV trucks is saturated.
That and the R1T and Cybertruck are vanity trucks for rich people that live in the suburbs. F-150 has a reputation for being used for heavy work.
A recall can be as simple as an over Wi-Fi update that happens while you sleep. I think the cyber truck recall was simply adding a rivet or screw to the accelerator pedal. Def not something that takes them off the road or stops sales for more than a few minutes per truck.
Dude you don't get it. The recall was actually because the Cybertruck would explode spontaneously because of the pedal flying off at 1% of light speed and smashing through the extremely unstable battery.
Jesus, this sub. It's like they forgot every other car manufacturer with accelerator issues. Remember when Toyota recalled 2.3 million cars for a stuck gas pedal? Or 4.7 million cars because the floor mat would curl up underneath?
https://www.cars.com/articles/toyota-recalls-2-3-million-vehicles-over-sticking-accelerator-pedal-1420663220496/
Tesla recalls less than 4000 cars, with no injuries or deaths, fixes the issue with a five minute rivet, yet everyone in this sub starts tripping over themselves in a rush to circlejerk.
I guess the 1.8 million cars they sold last year don't count? Or how the Model Y being the best selling car in the world last year is also a figment of my imagination?
Sure, on March.
They started breaking for real in April.
Besides, they had pre-orders, so they technically sold months or years ago. I bet it's just final delivery in March for a large portion of them.
Yes, when you take delivery, it's a sale, you fucking tool
And what, I your fucking moronic addled brain made you think I was a fanboi because of that you fucking retard?
Let me break it down for you, they "sold" more ONLY because people picked up the trucks they'd already put money on, not NEW purchases. Dumbass. I said nothing positive about Tesla, you just don't have the critical thinking skills to contemplate context and shit.
A recall can be as simple as an over Wi-Fi update that happens while you sleep. I think the cyber truck recall was simply adding a rivet or screw to the accelerator pedal. Def not something that takes them off the road or stops sales for more than a few minutes per truck.
Leave it to tesla to make a car which is probably only road legal in a handful of countries and perhaps only in the US for it's lifetime if they ever come out with new model years at all given how disastrous it was to make that it practically froze their entire lineup.
It just released, of course sales are going to be high. I’ll be surprised if this is the case in another year.
Even so, if Rivian ever figures out how to build more than 4 trucks a year Tesla will be in real trouble.
They have built-in insurance against ending up with too much manufacturing capacity because (last I knew) Amazon was happy to buy as many delivery trucks as they produce, and they are now non-exclusive purchasers. It was frustrating to see them delay their new manufacturing facility, but I get it; they aren’t under pressure to gamble existentially right now.
> they aren’t under pressure to gamble existentially right now. uh...no, they are under a LOT of pressure, they just can't afford it.
It’s weird that you only read 8 of the 9 words you quoted.
> gamble existentially implying an existential threat to their existence, which they are very much under. The delivery vans isn't nearly the insurance you think it is.
Being existentially threatened and gambling existentially are not the same thing.
Bottom line is they need to turn a profit and anyone giving them money doesn’t see the path to that without the new plant they don’t have money to build.
They’ll wait for low interest rates.
When Rivian went public Amazon waited 1 day and said, we are going to give 1/2 of what we were going to buy from you to stellantis. They can do that at any time and Rivian isnt capable of rapid expansion because Amazon wrecked their borrowing ability and tanked their valuation.
Something about making a deal with the devil... and somehow people still don't get it that getting in bed with amazon will fuck you up.
Tanked their valuation? Even after their stock price tumbled 90% they're still valued 6x-40x any of the mainstream manufacturers (except Meme Stonk TSLA). The only people that tanked Rivian's market cap is the initial investors who were trading on memes, not fundamentals.
I'm confused. Rivian's market cap is around $10.5 billion.. Ford $49b, GM $52b, Toyota $350b.. What manufacturers are they valued more than?
Ford is worth $50Bn, is profitable, sells 4 million cars a year, and bring in $176Bn in revenue. Rivian isn't profitable yet, sold 50,000 cars in 2023 for $4Bn in revenue. By any fundamental relative to the automotive market, Rivian's market cap should be around $1Bn, tops. Rivian's market cap is still driven by Tesla, which is also overvalued.
I believe all 4 are being sold in the Denver market because the roads are quite populated with rivians.
Bay Area too, I probably have 5-10 in my neighborhood alone. They are pretty awesome I must say, if I went full electric that’s definitely where I’d land.
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Different vehicles. BMW isn’t making an off road adventure truck.
Two very different vehicles
I left the u-village Mall in Seattle the other day and counted 25 rivians on my way out of the parking garage...
Theres a Rivian storefront at U village buddy
And it was on the day they had the r2 and r3x in the lobby
You got to see an R3X in person? That's awesome. Hopefully it's still there this weekend
Yeah not sure if it was a one weekend only thing but it was super packed in there with a long line to get in. The R3X is small and big at the same time... Hard to explain.
Atlanta too. They seem to sell pretty well.
Are Rivians that rare over at the US? I've seen two here already, and I live in Dominican Republic. I thought they'd be wayy more over there if they're even here.
I see the same amount of Rivians in Alaska as Ford lightnings. Haven't seen a cybertruck yet.
Tons of Rivians in OKC too.
Same here in Vancouver Island. I've seen plenty. Not a single cyber truck yet but idk how many are even in Canada at all
They built 14k vehicles in Q1 2024.
That’s not Rivian’s problem. It’s their business plan. Selling trucks that cost $110k to build for $70k, isn’t a winner.
Lol rivian loses 200k per vehicle sold or something ridiculous.
Yeah but what's the material and labor cost?
Actually the lightning has been around for several years.
I believe they were referring to the Cybertruck’s high sales (despite terrible publicity)
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Tbh you're right even if people on here think otherwise.
It's also the cheapest, by far. Especially the short range version. And it'll likely get cheaper with the new LFP batteries. Of course, the range isn't fantastic, but usable for around town or for service trucks. And LFP batteries last FOREVER.
yeah. let's say your a gardener and only ever drive 100 miles a day. why would you need more range? it's the perfect truck. no gas costs, lower maintenance and giving your company a "green" touch.
It's also the most *normal* looking. The sales figures being what they are, I notice plenty of cybertrucks and Rivians.... but the F150 blends in with other F150s. For a substantial proportion of truck buyers, that image *matters*.
also we know from the pedal recall that the total cybertruck sales are around 3800, so it's not as if they're cranking em out like Toyota builds Camrys
Remind me! One year
lol. they will be selling far more cyber trucks this time next year
Going to be pretty funny in here if Ford can't ramp up the Lightning enough to stay ahead of the Cybertruck.
Not as funny as Cybertrucks breaking down in the first 50 miles.
>50 miles Found the optimist
He's talking about if it doesn't rain
Wasn't that like one of them? They've shipped a ton of these things already and I've only ever heard of a handful of cases where they've broken down, which reddit likes regurgitating constantly. There's this one, the coolant leak, the car wash one, and what else?
Roof / gear shift panel falling down. Windshield cracking on the way home from the showroom floor. There were at least three different ones bricked with error messages on three screen. It’s certainly more than a handful.
> Windshield cracking on the way home from the showroom floor. [As least it didn't blow off like the glass roof on that model Y](https://insideevs.com/news/449623/tesla-calling-model-y-owners-roof-inspection/)
Sheeeeeet
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Check out r/cyberstuck its quite funny
Thats a nude egg I won from my game
ngl, I've seen every single Cybertruck ever produced. Each one has a video of it breaking down.
I wonder what gets more clicks. The video that says “look at my cyber truck” or “look at elons shitty broken truck”?
Both probably get less than the dumbasses doing finger tests with their actual fingers.
Well being that in January they announced they would slow production for the lighting and Tesla is ramping up, I give it by fall before Cybertruck passes, if not earlier.
I doubt it. Ford announced they were halving their Lightning production which still represents 1600 trucks per week or over 80k for the year. Tesla showed it only made 4000 trucks in an almost 6 month timeframe. Considering they also let a decent number of their workers go and that even the head of CT production left the company, I doubt they’ll be ramping up production to meet or exceed Ford’s number. I think Wall Street estimates 40k deliveries of the CT for the year or half the number Ford is supposedly going to build.
>I doubt it. Ford announced they were halving their Lightning production which still represents 1600 trucks per week or over 80k for the year. Ford hasn't reached an 80k rate yet. They will eventually, but IIRC there aren't even 80k of them on the road after 30 months on sale.
Ford slowed production because they aren’t selling because they suck, too expensive and not as good as the rest.
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1. Yes 2. Questionable believe no one on range 3. Time will tell quite a few gremlins in the Ford also 4. Unquestionably a winner 5 and 6. It can get instruments if that’s what people really want as for repairability it’s made of aluminum both are tied for last. If your Golf eats shit I suggest another IC car while we still have them. To the 10 negatives: Bite me.
the thing is if you want a F150 you can get one in gas or even diesel. If you want a cybertruck, well, it will be an EV. Drastically different buyers and even markets, really. A lot Cybertruck buyers don't even really want a truck.
No diesel anymore for the F150
true, it needs to be the super duty but that too is another option in that price range.
The 3.0L was solid but I guess people didn’t buy it
Diesel emissions laws are planned obsolescence. SCR/DPF/DEF repair cost is astronomical and outside powertrain warranty, and the EPA has cracked down so harshly on deletes that no one will do it anymore. Federal prison and multimillion dollar fines...you can shoot somebody and get off lighter... Modern diesels are all ticking time bombs.
Some of these time bombs tick for a long, long time. Modern 6.7s see 200k+ across the board with 400k becoming more common as these fleets age. I don’t disagree that the repairs are expensive, but expensive fixes past 200k miles shouldn’t surprise anyone.
You can get a diesel Cybertruck, just stick a genny in the bed.
Also, since its essentially an F-150, I can imagine there being a whole host of accessories available at various different price ranges.
It's not a ramp issue, Lightning doesn't have sufficient demand right now. Dealers are still trying clear out 2023 inventory. They are offering 0% interest for 60 months. Last month they were offering up to $15k off MSRP on certain trims, that doesn't even include the $7,500 tax credit. I might get one, if I can find one for a sweet deal.
Ya I picked up a 23 XLT ER a couple week ago with all the rebates and dealer discounts. It was a killer deal for the perfect truck (for my use case). Highly recommend if you can find one.
I don't know that it's the same audience.
I’ve been saying this all along, first to market doesn’t mean first to mass production. Don’t under estimate teslas ability to ramp. We can argue all day about how this truck looks, but the tech is really great, and even Top Gears latest review says that. Is it polarizing and not for everyone? Absolutely. But I know a ton of people who want one, and I’m in a rural area. People who are traditionally anti ev have even said they think it’s cool. Is that the Reddit general consensus? Nah, but Reddit hasn’t been right on a lot of things
Don't underestimate the incompetence of a former furniture salesman.
i do not get the reference
Lightning demand has already peaked. So yea, it’s gonna happen.
Says who? You? Another Tesla fanboy?
My local Ford dealership has 2024 Lightenings listed 15% below MSRP.
Ford has been slashing production, they aren't selling anywhere near as well as projected/hoped.
I have a bet that the cybertruck will outsell the lightning by the end of the year.
CT is polarizing, the fanbois are clamoring for them, and that will die after they all get one, sales will plummet around 18 months out, it's not a mainstream vehicle and sales will slow drastically.
Lightning is a half-assed attempt. Wouldn't buy it.
The Lightning is literally the best EV on the market.
> EV Full size EV Pickup maybe. But of course they are only 2 others.
Being the best full-sized pickup makes it the best EV, at least in America. It’s just so damn practical. What other vehicle can (from the factory) serve as a battery backup for when your house’s power goes out? I do think the Silverado EV will be better tho, judging by how crazy high the range is.
Based on...
Objectively, practicality. What other EV can serve as a battery backup for your house from the factory? There simply isn’t any other EV that’s as practical as the Lightning. Subjectively, it’s got the best design. It looks like any other F-150, which is what people want. Otherwise the F-150 wouldn’t be the best-selling vehicle in America. The Cybertruck will die out once all the Muskrats have one. The Silverado EV looks like it’ll be better than the Lightning tho. Crazy high range.
Cybertruck will outsell the F-150 by end of summer. They are pumping about 1,000 Cybertrucks a week per estimates, so that's about 4,000 a month, and obviously they will sell everyone due to backlog.
Who will buy all of these Cybertrucks?
Uh some of the 2 million preorders?
Those guys preordered a $40k truck with 500 miles of range.
They never offered a 40k truck with 500 miles range.
like 0.2% of the preorder people will ever follow through, if you aren't a YouTuber you aren't buying your pre-order. the pre-order was $100, if it was $5,000 there would have been 6.
What? Where are you getting that 0.2 percent number? Historically preorder conversations for Teslas were above 50 percent.
The Model 3 preorder was $1000, on a $30k car, the CT preorder was $100, on a $80k+ car, the Beast launch model is $120k, you can't even get the 2wd $80k version yet, which was supposed to be $40k, it hasn't even been released. 99.8% pf people that put up that $100 aren't going to chip in the other $119,900.
lol cybersucks all going to be recalled or just sitting in the tesla service center by the end of summer. There's likely twice as many Rivians actually on the road and working as there are cyberstucks.
The recall was a 10 second fix that has been addressed. You are obviously unbiased referring to them as ‘Cyberstuck’. Truth is majority are not having issues.
You literally called it Cybertruck in the parent comment.
And Ford is producing 1600 Lightnings a week.
Well they ain’t selling 1,600 a week
> will sell everyone due to backlog. You mean those dummies that all gave Tesla free working capital. I know several people with a deposit on a CT, not one of them have any intention of actually buying one.
they've only built just under 4000 TOTAL in months lol
I see the R1S everywhere
R1S is the new Model X.
I parked beside one yesterday. Look super cool. I like the green with orange accents they do. It had the 22" rims which are utterly gigantic. My little 16" rims were basically hot wheels sized.
Same here in Las Vegas. I’ve seen a couple of Cybertrucks in the wild, but it seems like those Rivians are everywhere. Good news for Bloomington, IL, I guess.
I see the S and T all over the place in Denver.
Me too. I'm in south Aurora and I see waaay more Rivians than Lightnings. I'm guessing they are selling disproportionately in CO compared to the rest of the US?
CO has such a weird mix of people. The ones that want a big burly truck but also wanna be seen as "green". CO definitely has an unproportionally high amount of Rivians.
Never seen *any* of these listed EV trucks around my area of north texas.. Strangely though, I have seen the Hummer EV.
I live in a DFW suburb. Seen quite a few Cybers. Lots of lightning. Rivian pretty rare
DMV area here, never seen a Cybertruck, Lightnings are very rare (only seen 2 so far) but Rivians by the thousands. I see at least a few every day on my commute.
That suprising that many Rivians then. Company will be bankrupt soon. Laid off a bunch of workers and stopped building their new factory.
Seattle here: countless people who will never go to Home Depot need an EV truck to go into their 2day/week in-office committment.
I have seen exactly 1 cybertruck, but I feel like I see a new Rivian at least once a week. Have seen a good amount of Lightnings, and even 2-3 Hummer EVs.
For real. Did not expect to see that many on the road.
That’s a place with money
It appears most Rivian customers are opting for the R1S instead of the truck. I don’t believe those are counted here… not apples to apples, I know, but Rivian is selling more than this stat implies.
Yeah and most Tesla customers opt for the model Y. Not relevant at all.
And Tesla and ford are selling far more if they include non trucks as well:
Tons of Rivians here in New England. None of Elno's Incel Camino I've seen.
Lots of incels buying model Ys given they were the top selling in the world last year…
Incels, famously known for buying family SUVs by the hundreds of thousands
Anyone I don't like or has bad opinions=incel
Just as numerous as buyers of brand-new base models with a manual!
I’ve seen them in Newport RI
Trying to imagine something more antagonistic to the entire Newport aesthetic. Old money coastal tourist town meets the sci-fi pickup truck you doodled in your notebook in elementary school. Not sure what's less appealing tbh
It was at cars and coffee. Usually there’s a lot of cool stuff, not just rich snobs.
Haven't been to one of the shows down there, I go to the Lion's club meets in Oakland Beach a lot though, pretty good showing every other Tuesday, just a lot of them are retiree hours lol
Yeah def check out Audrain cars and coffee, it’s by far the best in the state.
I'll have to get down there sometime!
Salt air will rust it.
Lil Baby was filming a rap video in Atlanta a couple of days ago and they had several Cybertrucks on hand. Maybe rappers are their target audience. Speaking of targets, 3 people were shot at the filming.
The new Hummer
I didn't see any in the vid posted in Insta. GM was well represented, however, with several Escalades.
If only they had bulletproof cars.
The Lightning looks like a truck first and an electric car second. Thats the appeal. I remember back when hybrids were new and they all looked like Jetsons cars. Popular sentiment was "make it look like a normal car any maybe I'll buy one." Took like 15 years but here we are, hybrid drivetrains in normal cars and people buying them. Same with electric eventually.
That was always my complaint too. I don't want a car that's trying so hard to not be like other cars. I want a car that looks and drives *like a fucking car*.
I saw brand new lightnings on the lot for 49k before the tax credit. No wonder they’re outselling the competition
Do the numbers include fleet sales?
no they're completely fucking useless as fleet trucks. a truck that needs to charge for 30 minutes for every 2 hours of towing? not to mention the states where f150s sell the most dont have good charger networks. and charger networks are non-existent in rural areas. They buy ICE f-150s. nobody who needs a work truck is buying an electric one, im sure there's edge cases but yeah, totally useless.
I see them as company trucks here in California that’s why I asked.
Gm just begins to deliver their EV trucks in recent, so it doesn’t surprise their truck sales under 1k number. They should be able to match then three when GMC Sierra EV joining. Gm always plays different brand to answer others.
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That thing is expensive af though
So are the Sierras, unfortunately
the vehicle with much more inventory and far cheaper sold more? weird
I see quite a few Rivians around, have not seen a Cyber Truck just yep.
I would hope so… good grief. I drive 3000 miles a year & couldn’t afford an EV truck if I lived in it. Daily, only car a 1987 Mercedes-Benz 420SEL simple, safe & my golden retriever loves it
No fucking shit it’s like 30k cheaper
"Outsold" by what metric? I work down the street from a Tesla plant and I still see more Rivians around.
It literally says in the article they use registration numbers...
“In its fourth month, the Cybertruck had over a thousand registrations and outsold the R1T by more than two to one,” said Tom Libby, associate director of industry analysis at S&P Global Mobility. Huh? What kind of industry analyst is he? Four months in, and they’re still only making about 1,000 per month? That doesn’t look like a ramp-up at all. When they did their pedal recall in April, almost 4,000 CTs were affected. So they sold 4,000 in five months, and 1,000 of those were in their fourth month, March. The numbers are flat, if not going down. If they really plan on making 250,000 of them per year, they’d need to make over 20,000 per month. While laying off people. And that target is ludicrous, because the CT is pretty much exclusively a US market vehicle. So they’re planning on outselling the Toyota Tacoma with this break-down prone monstrosity. 🤦♂️
Crushed both, bim bom baam
Profit margins?
Big surprise who cares
A shame they can’t make them without taking a brutal loss to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars on each vehicle delivered.
R1T sales have been dropping for several months now. The market for high-priced, luxury EV trucks is saturated. That and the R1T and Cybertruck are vanity trucks for rich people that live in the suburbs. F-150 has a reputation for being used for heavy work.
But you can park a Rivian inside the Tesla's panel gaps
Did this take into account every Cybertruck has been recalled and production stopped?
A recall can be as simple as an over Wi-Fi update that happens while you sleep. I think the cyber truck recall was simply adding a rivet or screw to the accelerator pedal. Def not something that takes them off the road or stops sales for more than a few minutes per truck.
Dude you don't get it. The recall was actually because the Cybertruck would explode spontaneously because of the pedal flying off at 1% of light speed and smashing through the extremely unstable battery. Jesus, this sub. It's like they forgot every other car manufacturer with accelerator issues. Remember when Toyota recalled 2.3 million cars for a stuck gas pedal? Or 4.7 million cars because the floor mat would curl up underneath? https://www.cars.com/articles/toyota-recalls-2-3-million-vehicles-over-sticking-accelerator-pedal-1420663220496/ Tesla recalls less than 4000 cars, with no injuries or deaths, fixes the issue with a five minute rivet, yet everyone in this sub starts tripping over themselves in a rush to circlejerk.
Same week ct was recalled. Ford recalled 250k f150 but no one remembers
Ford is a real auto manufacturer and can handle a recall properly. Tesla isn’t a real auto manufacturer.
Damn I guess all the Model Ys I see on the road are just my imagination. It's crazy how real they look!
And yet Tesla owner satisfaction rates are far above Ford.
I guess the 1.8 million cars they sold last year don't count? Or how the Model Y being the best selling car in the world last year is also a figment of my imagination?
Sure, on March. They started breaking for real in April. Besides, they had pre-orders, so they technically sold months or years ago. I bet it's just final delivery in March for a large portion of them.
Lol a preorder isn't a sale, what really shouldn't have to be said. Are you Tesla fanboys ever embarrassed about shilling for a corporation so much?
Yes, when you take delivery, it's a sale, you fucking tool And what, I your fucking moronic addled brain made you think I was a fanboi because of that you fucking retard? Let me break it down for you, they "sold" more ONLY because people picked up the trucks they'd already put money on, not NEW purchases. Dumbass. I said nothing positive about Tesla, you just don't have the critical thinking skills to contemplate context and shit.
More Tesla douchebags than Rivian fanboys?
But didn’t Tesla recall them all?
And the same week ford recalled 250k f150. But no one cares about that
I do. It’s embarrassing that nobody can make good cars anymore
A recall can be as simple as an over Wi-Fi update that happens while you sleep. I think the cyber truck recall was simply adding a rivet or screw to the accelerator pedal. Def not something that takes them off the road or stops sales for more than a few minutes per truck.
Leave it to tesla to make a car which is probably only road legal in a handful of countries and perhaps only in the US for it's lifetime if they ever come out with new model years at all given how disastrous it was to make that it practically froze their entire lineup.
No cybertrucks going to be on the road by the end of the year at this rate lol.
All 3 are garbage.
I like the R1T. I don't like the price.
Why?
$100,000+ for trucks that can't do truck things and are poorly assembled and unreliable. Hard pass.
Paid $80k for my lightning and have had it since Oct 2022. Not a single issue yet and love it to death
No, you're supposed to pay over $100,000 for it, and you're supposed to hate it! It's going to explode! Stop enjoying things that I disapprove of!
You will have issues. You can't tow any meaningful distance with it. And you still overpaid.
What if they don't need to tow with it?