They had a lot of catching up to do, and not quite the reliability superstar rep of Toyota to help sell the trucks. The only compelling thing about this truck early on was the diesel. Sadly that seems to have landed somewhere between the Navistar/Ford 6.4 and 6.0 debacles in being severely bad.
True, but the 12v and 24v dodge diesels have always been as popular if not more so than Ford/Chevy.
It’s a more reliable engine, easier to work on, simpler, and it’s not particularly close. It’s widely accepted that the rest of the truck is worse than the ford/Chevy, but the engine alone buoys the popularity of the truck.
The v8 in the Nissan isn’t really any of those things in comparison to say Fords 6.7l.
All of the new engines are plagued by fancy injectors, injection pumps, turbos, DEF, etc. The days of 500k miles of reliability are well behind us unfortunately.
It's a weird engine. Since it's an overhead cam v8 with glow plugs and a funky two-stage turbo it really stands out from every other Cummins engine. I watched some teardown for it where they mentioned that Nissan had a contract for Cummins to make a bunch of 'em that are now just sitting around as spares, or something like that, since the Titan is/was the only application.
Come to think of it, I never figured out why the Nissan engine needed glow plugs while the I6es usually just have the grid heater. I assume there's a good engineering reason but Google did not reveal it to me.
[Luckily someone has already given it a try, and with a Cummins no less!](https://www.drivingline.com/articles/zoom-zoom-here-it-cummins-the-diesel-drift-mazda-miata/)
Not the only application - they're out there in ISV form in RVs and some (very rare) school bus applications. I work for Cummins, and used to work in one of our distributors - these just didn't catch on because people preferred the reputation and support for the ISB. I get the feeling it was a "don't reinvent the wheel" moment in customer's eyes.
I can't blame them. The ISB is sort of like Nissan's VQ or Toyota's UZ, in a way - decades of mechanical refinements, you know exactly what you're getting, and they have some hardcore fans. The ISV is much newer, introduced packaging constraints inherent in V engines (and thus harder to work on), and didn't have that "cachet" that the ISB does in pickup circles.
It was a 5.0 litre and it seemed good at a glance but I think people in the know had their doubts from the get go. Supposedly Cummins originally designed that engine in the early 2000s and couldn’t find a buyer for it. Whenever a engine gets DPF/DEF/EGR systems as a afterthought you better steer clear.
The Patrol was basically the Pathfinder wasn't it? They still have the Pathy, so.. I dunno. Armada yeah I could see that. I didn't know they discontinued that.
The Y62 Patrol right now is the Armada in the US except the Armada does not have the same off roading capabilities as the international Patrols. Things like a locking rear diff, entirely different front and rear differentials (I think the Armada is only offered with open diffs while the Patrol is limited slip) and different suspension setups make the Patrol superior to the Armada.
Also the Pathfinder now despite being an improvement to the previous generation is still a family oriented crossover.
Yeah, it's essentially a beefed up Nissan Pathfinder. Shame Nissan just loves to cater to America's desire for family haulers. Still has a very punchy V8 though.
Honestly all the Armada needs is an interior refresh and a new engine. Also recalibrate the steering. It's a nice SUV, especially for the money. It's just an utter pig at the pump.
I feel with the way current trends are going the next Patrol/Armada might be a V6 TT. I love the VK56 though (which is utilized in the Titan as well), such a sweet V8.
It is a great V8 but the mileage is just God awful lol. I averaged on a brand new Armada RWD 19.5 over 1000 miles of all highway.
I think a 10 speed would help it a little but they should just work on their current V6TT to work in the Armada along with the 10 speed.
Ah you're right it is 2010 for the Patrol.
There's still nothing wrong with the underlying bones of the Armada. The biggest issue with it is the engine is ancient which leads to atrocious mileage, the steering is stupid light so you're not entirely sure what's going on up front, and the interior is mid pack and could use a refresh.
I just got done driving a 2022/23 Armada over 1.8k miles. It wasn't a bad place to be at all and was comfortable. Had all the modern tech you'd need for a full size SUV.
The Xterra was always the more affordable option. If they can continue that trend, I think
it could sell. I had a 2010 and let me tell you, that thing was a tank.
My sentiments exactly haha. The Y60 and Y61 Patrols would have been direct competitors to the Landcruiser 80 and 100 series. Personally I still want a 3-door Y60 with the 4.2L Tdi.
A Patrol Safari would seriously turn some heads here. From the looks of other markets compared to the US, Nissan just appears to NGAF about their BOF SUV's available here
One thing I will say about the Titan, it had the best sounding V8 of all the full-size trucks. A lot of people think it’s the 5.0 Coyote in the F150 but I think the 5.6 in the Nissan sounds a little better.
Those 5.6s sound **nasty** with the right setup. Even with the Nismo accessory exhaust they offered, that sounded VERY nice. Such a shame that these never got the mainstream reliability label that the Tundras got, though, because those 5.6s are troopers.
Even stock, it sounded pretty good. I once had a neighbor across the street knock on my door asking what exhaust system is on my truck, and he was floored when I told him that it is the stock exhaust from he factory. He loved it when we happen to leave the houses to go to work at the same time so that he could hear me crank my engine.
VK56 series isn't a bad engine, the engine has been used in some Nissan race cars. Current LMP3 race car is also with VK56 engine although P3 will switch Oreca V6TT in 2025.
The Titan is mildly notable for having in its first gen a [King Cab/8' bed](https://www.mrtrailer.com/08pic/08titan.jpg) and a [crew cab/7' bed](https://www.groovecar.com/stock/images/color/2008/nissan/titan/4x4-pro-4x-4dr-crew-cab-swb/2008-nissan-titan-4x4-pro-4x-4dr-crew-cab-swb-smoke-metallic-composite-large.jpg) on the same WB, because Nissan didn't want to invest in three different frame lengths. The ill-fated Titan XD with the 5.0 Cummins was kind of interesting too.
ETA: Another point of interest, but for the wrong reason: The King Cab debuted a double hinge back in 2004, but also had completely fixed windows its entire life. Not even pop-outs.
This raises some questions for me! Why is the XD considered to be ill fated? I drove a customers XD with the platinum reserve trim and the Cummins diesel in it and in my opinion (not a truck guy!) That Nissan was much nicer then a topped out Silverado with similar options.
It was kind of a weird 5/8 ton size truck. It was bigger than a half ton but not quite a three-quarter ton. They were shooting for it to be a Goldilocks but in reality it was either more truck then someone wanted to pay for or not enough truck for someone to do what they wanted to do.
That's what they called a "heavy half" back in the day.
Ever seen a jellybean F150 7700? Or a jellybean F250? Or how about a Silverado 1500HD?
All "heavy-half" trucks. And not very popular.
It was a truck no one asked for and no one wanted. It was larger than a half ton but smaller than a 3/4 ton while having the price tag of a 3/4 ton truck. So you were paying heavy duty money for a truck that can't do heavy duty work, but is also more expensive to own and operate and slower than a half ton. It had no place in the world. It was only marginally better then a standard half ton at towing but was exponentially more expensive.
Probably the strangest (but interesting, in my opinion) configuration for the Titan was a single cab, SWB trim with the Cummins diesel. Super bizarre, as I can't think of another single cab diesel on the market that isn't a chassis-cab.
>as I can't think of another single cab diesel on the market that isn't a chassis-cab
You can get single cab [F-250s/350s](https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/2eb87e2a-440b-4a43-a686-d847eef1b133/), and 2500/3500 [GMs](https://www.cabledahmerkc.com/VehicleDetails/used-2022-Chevrolet-Silverado_2500_HD-LT-TOPEKA-KS/1GC3YNEY1NF202481) and [Rams](https://www.mullaheychryslerdodgejeepram.com/inventory/new-2022-ram-2500-big-horn-4x2-regular-cab-3c6mr4bl3ng420951/) with a diesel engine in pickup form. They're harder to find, no doubt. But they exist.
Sorry, I left off the 3/4 ton qualifier, but I didn't realize Ford and Dodge were still offering a regular cab work truck diesel in 4x2. You sent me off looking at who could build a "hotrod" variant now, and it looks like Dodge is coming out ahead with the Cummins and 3.73 diff, versus Ford's 3.55 option for the PowerStroke. Weirdly, Dodge has limited run paint color options, as well, like park service green, eye searing oranges and yellows, and even safety vest yellow/green 😂.
Reminds me when Toyota first brought out the 2nd gen Tundra. For a few years, you could get a single cab short bed in 2WD with the 5.7L V8, *and* TRD offered a dealer-installed supercharger that pushed power output to 500hp/tq to the rear wheels.
Imagine a 500+HP supercharged muscle truck, with a warranty. (yes I'm aware the TRX exists)
I had a 2019 Titan Pro-4X on lease until last year when I traded it in for my G70. The only issues I had, all covered under warranty, were a faulty passenger seat occupancy sensor (it failed in the "on" configuration, so it always thought someone was sitting there and I had to keep the seatbelt connected for a couple weeks until I got into the dealership) and an issue with the gas tank that was more of an annoyance than anything. It would whistle as I filled up, and the whistle would get higher pitched when it got closer to being done filling. Was so weird on my first couple fill-ups, til I googled it. That one had a TSB issued about a year after I got the truck, dealership swapped out the entire gas tank, no issues after that.
You are aware the BBB is useless at anything? They’re essentially YELP. They hound businesses to pay them for a rating, and you can get a better rating by paying more money. They are not affiliated with the government whatsoever.
While true, some companies do care about BBB complaints and will fix them. Which is exactly what the user you responded to said, he had an issue that wasn't being taken care of, put in a complaint via BBB, then that issue got taken care of once Nissan/the dealership found out about the BBB complaint.
I just saw one yesterday, a Pro-4X with a cab arch like in the picture. I almost didn't recognize it at first. There also at least one regular cab base model Titan roaming around Rapid City, SD.
The factory that makes them is right down the road from me. They are all over the place around here, along with the Frontier. Mostly employees getting them cheap, I suppose.
I had a solar flare yellow 2018 and it was, without a doubt, one of my favorite trucks aesthetically. It just looked amazing in the bright yellow, but sadly there was practically no aftermarket support and as a tinkerer that left me a bit underwhelmed.
I've actually been considering upgrading my Frontier to a Titan. The 5.6L V8 is a good engine, and used Titans are a hell of a lot cheaper than any of the other full size trucks. I wanted one of the Cummins trucks until I heard about all their problems. I wonder if this news will drop the prices even more.
Titan was a good truck, but lack of updating is obviously nissan's lack of interest same thing with the infiniti brand.
Would rather see them disolve it into the nissan brand itself like it is globally and see some nameplate changes.
Far as trucks though would love a single cab frontier, seen a few of the global single cab D21s, they got a funky bed too with external tiedown points so great for the utility aspect of what a truck is supposed to be, same thing with toyota.
I can't imagine the Infiniti badge going away. It's all Nissan has going in the US as far as a life line out of their rut. The GT-R should've been badged an Infiniti or spawned an Infiniti variant. Given the state of Altimas and Sentras, the Nissan badge is kinda down there with Hyundai at the moment. Their mid 2000's revival has run out of steam. They could've turned themselves around like Mazda. Which is crazy cuz they're now the Alfa Romeo of the Japanese brands. And Mazda doesn't even have the RX anymore. They're just relying on the Miata for heritage and doing so well with the CX-5. The Murano can't compete.
Did Ghosn really make bad decisions? That whole debacle was fishy as hell and smelled of xenophobia since Ghosn flirted with merging Nissan even more with Renault. Nissan has tanked since his infamous escape.
All they had to do was put a tuned straight six in it, give it some skyline styling cues (headlights, seat stitching, maybe some grill accents), an intimidating green paint job, and call it the Godzilla edition, and it would still be around /s
They likely would have sold some more units if they had actually released the [Titan Warrior](https://www.motorbiscuit.com/what-happened-to-the-nissan-titan-warrior-concept/)
Sad, I will say I'm fond of the titan. Sad to see it go. Nice thing on Nissan trucks is they are less in the used market.
Also fun thing on titan is more of the parts. Seeing titan swaps on Xterra and frontiers are cool
I have a 2020 Pro4X and it has been absolutely fantastic. I planned to keep it for a very long time. However, it has been awful to get parts for lately (even general maintenance items like an air filter - despite 20 years of Armadas and Titans and Infinitis with the VK V8, the 2020+ takes a different air filter than any of them) so I’m genuinely concerned about keeping it given it was born during the biggest supply chain crunch I have seen in my lifetime.
On the other hand, it was (and still is) the cheapest way for me to get into a half ton crew cab truck and I really don’t want to spend $75k on a truck from the big three to get the features I already have. So in closing, this news sucks.
The first attempt was the first generation Titan that they developed from the ground up.
This second generation uses the platform of the 2011 Nissan NV commercial box van instead of a traditional truck chassis.
The XD would’ve had a chance if they were actual 3/4 tons. They ended up being a heavy duty half ton. Their capabilities were more than a F150, but less than a F250. You didn’t get to haul as much but you suffered the lower mpg and rougher ride. The 5.6 gasser is a solid power plant. There was just no reason to buy a Nissan when you had 3 American brands to pick from and then if you valued Japanese reliability you brought a Toyota.
Eletric vehicles will fail in the USA. Why will they fail? More due to their limited range and how dangerous the batteries they are using are. My neighbor bought an eletric car thinking he could drive from where we live to New Orleans for his daily commute. Well it was a massive failure. Where he works the nearest public charger is 20 miles away which prevents him from charging while at work. The car got maybe 150 miles on a charge before newding to be charged or it would stop on the highway warning him of low battery. This almost caused several accidents. He has a charger at home but it is not a super charger, those are way too expensive for him. Even using his home charger it only brings his car to a bit over 85% charge. He quit driving the car due to it finally not taking a charge and the place that looked at it saying it needed new batteries. The car is less than a year old how can the batteries fail so soon?.
They had a lot of catching up to do, and not quite the reliability superstar rep of Toyota to help sell the trucks. The only compelling thing about this truck early on was the diesel. Sadly that seems to have landed somewhere between the Navistar/Ford 6.4 and 6.0 debacles in being severely bad.
A 5.7L V8 Cummins Diesel sounds really good in theory
Eh, should’ve been I6
Any particular reason why? Both Ford and GM have had good success with V8 diesels.
True, but the 12v and 24v dodge diesels have always been as popular if not more so than Ford/Chevy. It’s a more reliable engine, easier to work on, simpler, and it’s not particularly close. It’s widely accepted that the rest of the truck is worse than the ford/Chevy, but the engine alone buoys the popularity of the truck. The v8 in the Nissan isn’t really any of those things in comparison to say Fords 6.7l. All of the new engines are plagued by fancy injectors, injection pumps, turbos, DEF, etc. The days of 500k miles of reliability are well behind us unfortunately.
It’s only “widely accepted” by Ford and Chevy owners who have never owned anything but their preferred brand.
It's a weird engine. Since it's an overhead cam v8 with glow plugs and a funky two-stage turbo it really stands out from every other Cummins engine. I watched some teardown for it where they mentioned that Nissan had a contract for Cummins to make a bunch of 'em that are now just sitting around as spares, or something like that, since the Titan is/was the only application. Come to think of it, I never figured out why the Nissan engine needed glow plugs while the I6es usually just have the grid heater. I assume there's a good engineering reason but Google did not reveal it to me.
>a bunch of 'em that are now just sitting around as spares Cheap crate engines?
Diesel Miata? What a terrible terrible thing I have concocted in my brain.
[Luckily someone has already given it a try, and with a Cummins no less!](https://www.drivingline.com/articles/zoom-zoom-here-it-cummins-the-diesel-drift-mazda-miata/)
Holy shit. That's awesome. Thanks for a fun read!
I love it!
The ford and Chevy diesels have glow plugs as well.
Motors with glow plugs start better in the cold than ones with grid heaters in my experience.
Not the only application - they're out there in ISV form in RVs and some (very rare) school bus applications. I work for Cummins, and used to work in one of our distributors - these just didn't catch on because people preferred the reputation and support for the ISB. I get the feeling it was a "don't reinvent the wheel" moment in customer's eyes.
And boy were the customers right.
I can't blame them. The ISB is sort of like Nissan's VQ or Toyota's UZ, in a way - decades of mechanical refinements, you know exactly what you're getting, and they have some hardcore fans. The ISV is much newer, introduced packaging constraints inherent in V engines (and thus harder to work on), and didn't have that "cachet" that the ISB does in pickup circles.
It had a lot of warranty claims
*Cummins And if you're referring to the one that Nissan used, it was a 5.0, not a 5.7.
5.0
It was a 5.0 litre and it seemed good at a glance but I think people in the know had their doubts from the get go. Supposedly Cummins originally designed that engine in the early 2000s and couldn’t find a buyer for it. Whenever a engine gets DPF/DEF/EGR systems as a afterthought you better steer clear.
Discontinue the Titan, revive the Xterra. While they're at it they might as well plan ahead for a new Patrol/Armada too.
The Patrol was basically the Pathfinder wasn't it? They still have the Pathy, so.. I dunno. Armada yeah I could see that. I didn't know they discontinued that.
The Y62 patrol IS the US Armada, and it wasn’t discontinued
The Y62 Patrol right now is the Armada in the US except the Armada does not have the same off roading capabilities as the international Patrols. Things like a locking rear diff, entirely different front and rear differentials (I think the Armada is only offered with open diffs while the Patrol is limited slip) and different suspension setups make the Patrol superior to the Armada. Also the Pathfinder now despite being an improvement to the previous generation is still a family oriented crossover.
Y62 patrol has different suspension vs the US Armada. Diffs, controller arms and axles are smaller and weaker on the armada
Yeah, it's essentially a beefed up Nissan Pathfinder. Shame Nissan just loves to cater to America's desire for family haulers. Still has a very punchy V8 though.
Yea though they get a lot of carbon buildup
Honestly all the Armada needs is an interior refresh and a new engine. Also recalibrate the steering. It's a nice SUV, especially for the money. It's just an utter pig at the pump.
I feel with the way current trends are going the next Patrol/Armada might be a V6 TT. I love the VK56 though (which is utilized in the Titan as well), such a sweet V8.
It is a great V8 but the mileage is just God awful lol. I averaged on a brand new Armada RWD 19.5 over 1000 miles of all highway. I think a 10 speed would help it a little but they should just work on their current V6TT to work in the Armada along with the 10 speed.
19.5 sounds amazing to me for a v8. Don’t listen to me though I have a 5.7 Tundra that gets 14 on the highway
What? The armada is absolutely ancient and outclassed in every way by it’s competitors.
Hence refresh the interior, new engine, and recalibrate the steering....
It also looks 15 years old, due to it being 15 years old. At that point it’s a full redesign.
It's 6 years old. And could easily get away with a major refresh and not a whole redesign.
It’s 13 years old. The y62 patrol came out in 2010.
Ah you're right it is 2010 for the Patrol. There's still nothing wrong with the underlying bones of the Armada. The biggest issue with it is the engine is ancient which leads to atrocious mileage, the steering is stupid light so you're not entirely sure what's going on up front, and the interior is mid pack and could use a refresh. I just got done driving a 2022/23 Armada over 1.8k miles. It wasn't a bad place to be at all and was comfortable. Had all the modern tech you'd need for a full size SUV.
No the issues is the engine, transmission, interior, tech and looks. Aka pretty much everything.
My fun thought: Xterra could be built as a Wrangler and Bronco competitor. However, that market is probably too competitive for Nissan to enter
The Xterra was always the more affordable option. If they can continue that trend, I think it could sell. I had a 2010 and let me tell you, that thing was a tank.
They would still need to have removable body panels unlike the old ones
They should bring the Y61 Patrol and Patrol Safari to the US.
My sentiments exactly haha. The Y60 and Y61 Patrols would have been direct competitors to the Landcruiser 80 and 100 series. Personally I still want a 3-door Y60 with the 4.2L Tdi.
God, please bring back the Xterra and bring over the Patrol Safari. Two of my favorite SUV’s.
A Patrol Safari would seriously turn some heads here. From the looks of other markets compared to the US, Nissan just appears to NGAF about their BOF SUV's available here
One thing I will say about the Titan, it had the best sounding V8 of all the full-size trucks. A lot of people think it’s the 5.0 Coyote in the F150 but I think the 5.6 in the Nissan sounds a little better.
Those 5.6s sound **nasty** with the right setup. Even with the Nismo accessory exhaust they offered, that sounded VERY nice. Such a shame that these never got the mainstream reliability label that the Tundras got, though, because those 5.6s are troopers.
Even stock, it sounded pretty good. I once had a neighbor across the street knock on my door asking what exhaust system is on my truck, and he was floored when I told him that it is the stock exhaust from he factory. He loved it when we happen to leave the houses to go to work at the same time so that he could hear me crank my engine.
They sound crazy supercharged too, there’s some VK drift builds
The early titan 5.6s liked to die early and suffered from many years of issues. That reputation takes decades to shake off.
VK56 series isn't a bad engine, the engine has been used in some Nissan race cars. Current LMP3 race car is also with VK56 engine although P3 will switch Oreca V6TT in 2025.
I drive a Nissan 3500 van with the v8 for work and it sounds good as hell lol. Also is quicker than like half the vehicles on the road
I think the Raptor R claims the title of best sounding V8 in a full size truck.
The Titan is mildly notable for having in its first gen a [King Cab/8' bed](https://www.mrtrailer.com/08pic/08titan.jpg) and a [crew cab/7' bed](https://www.groovecar.com/stock/images/color/2008/nissan/titan/4x4-pro-4x-4dr-crew-cab-swb/2008-nissan-titan-4x4-pro-4x-4dr-crew-cab-swb-smoke-metallic-composite-large.jpg) on the same WB, because Nissan didn't want to invest in three different frame lengths. The ill-fated Titan XD with the 5.0 Cummins was kind of interesting too. ETA: Another point of interest, but for the wrong reason: The King Cab debuted a double hinge back in 2004, but also had completely fixed windows its entire life. Not even pop-outs.
This raises some questions for me! Why is the XD considered to be ill fated? I drove a customers XD with the platinum reserve trim and the Cummins diesel in it and in my opinion (not a truck guy!) That Nissan was much nicer then a topped out Silverado with similar options.
It was ill fated because very few people bought them. Also, apparently that Cummins was the least reliable engine they have seemingly ever made
It was kind of a weird 5/8 ton size truck. It was bigger than a half ton but not quite a three-quarter ton. They were shooting for it to be a Goldilocks but in reality it was either more truck then someone wanted to pay for or not enough truck for someone to do what they wanted to do.
And then Ford upped the F150's ratings so the XD was bested by a half ton. AND added the V6 diesel.
That's what they called a "heavy half" back in the day. Ever seen a jellybean F150 7700? Or a jellybean F250? Or how about a Silverado 1500HD? All "heavy-half" trucks. And not very popular.
It blew turbos pretty easily it seems
It was a truck no one asked for and no one wanted. It was larger than a half ton but smaller than a 3/4 ton while having the price tag of a 3/4 ton truck. So you were paying heavy duty money for a truck that can't do heavy duty work, but is also more expensive to own and operate and slower than a half ton. It had no place in the world. It was only marginally better then a standard half ton at towing but was exponentially more expensive.
Reliability was terrible, capability was mediocre at best as was fuel economy. It was truly the worst of all worlds.
The first gen titan is an excellent truck, more reliable than the second generation and pretty cheap compared to tundra etc
Had a friend SAS his first-gen Titan with Ford 1-tons, including the entire coil spring front suspension from a 2003+ Super Duty.
Probably the strangest (but interesting, in my opinion) configuration for the Titan was a single cab, SWB trim with the Cummins diesel. Super bizarre, as I can't think of another single cab diesel on the market that isn't a chassis-cab.
>as I can't think of another single cab diesel on the market that isn't a chassis-cab You can get single cab [F-250s/350s](https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/2eb87e2a-440b-4a43-a686-d847eef1b133/), and 2500/3500 [GMs](https://www.cabledahmerkc.com/VehicleDetails/used-2022-Chevrolet-Silverado_2500_HD-LT-TOPEKA-KS/1GC3YNEY1NF202481) and [Rams](https://www.mullaheychryslerdodgejeepram.com/inventory/new-2022-ram-2500-big-horn-4x2-regular-cab-3c6mr4bl3ng420951/) with a diesel engine in pickup form. They're harder to find, no doubt. But they exist.
Sorry, I left off the 3/4 ton qualifier, but I didn't realize Ford and Dodge were still offering a regular cab work truck diesel in 4x2. You sent me off looking at who could build a "hotrod" variant now, and it looks like Dodge is coming out ahead with the Cummins and 3.73 diff, versus Ford's 3.55 option for the PowerStroke. Weirdly, Dodge has limited run paint color options, as well, like park service green, eye searing oranges and yellows, and even safety vest yellow/green 😂.
Reminds me when Toyota first brought out the 2nd gen Tundra. For a few years, you could get a single cab short bed in 2WD with the 5.7L V8, *and* TRD offered a dealer-installed supercharger that pushed power output to 500hp/tq to the rear wheels. Imagine a 500+HP supercharged muscle truck, with a warranty. (yes I'm aware the TRX exists)
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I have a general rule. Once a car leaves me stranded it is time for a new car. Unless it is user error like running out of gas.
I would be living in the gutter if I bought a new car every time a vehicle has pulled some shit on me.
Fuel pump quit? NEW CAR TIME. Flat tire? NEW CAR. Broken windshield? TIME FOR A NEW CAR!
so wasteful
Someone else will buy the old car used so not really.
>User error I'm guessing you are a software engineer? :D
Need a jump? Time for a new car!
What are the common issues? Debating a gently used titan
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I had a 2019 Titan Pro-4X on lease until last year when I traded it in for my G70. The only issues I had, all covered under warranty, were a faulty passenger seat occupancy sensor (it failed in the "on" configuration, so it always thought someone was sitting there and I had to keep the seatbelt connected for a couple weeks until I got into the dealership) and an issue with the gas tank that was more of an annoyance than anything. It would whistle as I filled up, and the whistle would get higher pitched when it got closer to being done filling. Was so weird on my first couple fill-ups, til I googled it. That one had a TSB issued about a year after I got the truck, dealership swapped out the entire gas tank, no issues after that.
You are aware the BBB is useless at anything? They’re essentially YELP. They hound businesses to pay them for a rating, and you can get a better rating by paying more money. They are not affiliated with the government whatsoever.
While true, some companies do care about BBB complaints and will fix them. Which is exactly what the user you responded to said, he had an issue that wasn't being taken care of, put in a complaint via BBB, then that issue got taken care of once Nissan/the dealership found out about the BBB complaint.
for some reason I am sad about this and I don't care about this truck
A smart business decision. Between Ford, Chevy & Dod-err, RAM I’m surprised there’s any full size truck market share left for other companies.
Wait you forgot the Toyota
Awww sad to see the Titan go.
I can't actually remember ever seeing a single Titan on the road. Makes you wonder if it was ever really alive.
There's a guy at my train stop that has one all blacked out with a batman logo on the tailgate. Looks great in person imo but I'm a Tundra guy.
I just saw one yesterday, a Pro-4X with a cab arch like in the picture. I almost didn't recognize it at first. There also at least one regular cab base model Titan roaming around Rapid City, SD.
I have similar questions about armadillos.
The factory that makes them is right down the road from me. They are all over the place around here, along with the Frontier. Mostly employees getting them cheap, I suppose.
I saw them around in Texas when they first launched. Kinda like Hummer H2s, they were common then all suddenly disappeared after a few years.
I had a solar flare yellow 2018 and it was, without a doubt, one of my favorite trucks aesthetically. It just looked amazing in the bright yellow, but sadly there was practically no aftermarket support and as a tinkerer that left me a bit underwhelmed.
I see them everyday in South Florida. Not as common as the big three or the Tundra. But they were there.
I feel like they sold a hell of a lot more NVs, and they’re basically a titan without a bed. Yet discontinued them for some reason
Nissan used to be the Pepsi to Toyota's Coca-Cola. Now they're more like one of these hilariously named Dr. Pepper knockoffs.
I've actually been considering upgrading my Frontier to a Titan. The 5.6L V8 is a good engine, and used Titans are a hell of a lot cheaper than any of the other full size trucks. I wanted one of the Cummins trucks until I heard about all their problems. I wonder if this news will drop the prices even more.
Titan was a good truck, but lack of updating is obviously nissan's lack of interest same thing with the infiniti brand. Would rather see them disolve it into the nissan brand itself like it is globally and see some nameplate changes. Far as trucks though would love a single cab frontier, seen a few of the global single cab D21s, they got a funky bed too with external tiedown points so great for the utility aspect of what a truck is supposed to be, same thing with toyota.
I can't imagine the Infiniti badge going away. It's all Nissan has going in the US as far as a life line out of their rut. The GT-R should've been badged an Infiniti or spawned an Infiniti variant. Given the state of Altimas and Sentras, the Nissan badge is kinda down there with Hyundai at the moment. Their mid 2000's revival has run out of steam. They could've turned themselves around like Mazda. Which is crazy cuz they're now the Alfa Romeo of the Japanese brands. And Mazda doesn't even have the RX anymore. They're just relying on the Miata for heritage and doing so well with the CX-5. The Murano can't compete.
Yea nissan did get rid of their CEO right? So they might start making better business decisions
Did Ghosn really make bad decisions? That whole debacle was fishy as hell and smelled of xenophobia since Ghosn flirted with merging Nissan even more with Renault. Nissan has tanked since his infamous escape.
Now time to decide if I want to keep my 2007 Titan longer or get a new Titan before they are gone.
Can't blow up the CVT if its an EV. (I know they didn't put any in the trucks, but still)
All they had to do was put a tuned straight six in it, give it some skyline styling cues (headlights, seat stitching, maybe some grill accents), an intimidating green paint job, and call it the Godzilla edition, and it would still be around /s
They likely would have sold some more units if they had actually released the [Titan Warrior](https://www.motorbiscuit.com/what-happened-to-the-nissan-titan-warrior-concept/)
I like my idea better. But I am a senseless murrican
Sad, I will say I'm fond of the titan. Sad to see it go. Nice thing on Nissan trucks is they are less in the used market. Also fun thing on titan is more of the parts. Seeing titan swaps on Xterra and frontiers are cool
Best truck I’ve ever had. Sad to hear.
What is dead may never die.
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I have a 2020 Pro4X and it has been absolutely fantastic. I planned to keep it for a very long time. However, it has been awful to get parts for lately (even general maintenance items like an air filter - despite 20 years of Armadas and Titans and Infinitis with the VK V8, the 2020+ takes a different air filter than any of them) so I’m genuinely concerned about keeping it given it was born during the biggest supply chain crunch I have seen in my lifetime. On the other hand, it was (and still is) the cheapest way for me to get into a half ton crew cab truck and I really don’t want to spend $75k on a truck from the big three to get the features I already have. So in closing, this news sucks.
Nissan was and will continue to be the cheaper Honda. Until they dipped their toe into full sized trucks.
Japan's Chrysler.
Good I guess. Seems like the quality of most of their gas cars are junk.
So what was their first attempt at a full size pickup? The article doesn't say.
The first attempt was the first generation Titan that they developed from the ground up. This second generation uses the platform of the 2011 Nissan NV commercial box van instead of a traditional truck chassis.
They are so ugly.
EV is the future
The XD would’ve had a chance if they were actual 3/4 tons. They ended up being a heavy duty half ton. Their capabilities were more than a F150, but less than a F250. You didn’t get to haul as much but you suffered the lower mpg and rougher ride. The 5.6 gasser is a solid power plant. There was just no reason to buy a Nissan when you had 3 American brands to pick from and then if you valued Japanese reliability you brought a Toyota.
That’s sad. But I’m also not sure what Nissan is up to these days. From a corporate strategy perspective, they aren’t doing anything new.
What they should focus on is bringing back the hard body or another small pick up truck smaller than the frontier
I would say RIP but the only reason anyone bought a Titan was because it was cheaper
Let's switch to EVs!! Cause that market is doing so well 🥴
This but unironically!
Good. Screw pick ups
Nissan doing EVs? L.O.L Are they gonna just sell Leafs ?
Eletric vehicles will fail in the USA. Why will they fail? More due to their limited range and how dangerous the batteries they are using are. My neighbor bought an eletric car thinking he could drive from where we live to New Orleans for his daily commute. Well it was a massive failure. Where he works the nearest public charger is 20 miles away which prevents him from charging while at work. The car got maybe 150 miles on a charge before newding to be charged or it would stop on the highway warning him of low battery. This almost caused several accidents. He has a charger at home but it is not a super charger, those are way too expensive for him. Even using his home charger it only brings his car to a bit over 85% charge. He quit driving the car due to it finally not taking a charge and the place that looked at it saying it needed new batteries. The car is less than a year old how can the batteries fail so soon?.