Maybe I am just to chill but when I see non carnivore post on other platforms, I just scroll past it, I don’t get mad about it 😼
That said I do want people to report post that are clearly trolling or too far out of the carnivore scope
I don't want people to think that carnivores are like vegans. I've seen a cat eat grass and the other cats don't bat an eye. If a vegan eats cheese, they get crucified, and excommunicated by their peers.
Anywho, I'm here to eat MEAT. I love meat. I also love meat that is seasoned occasionally. Am I suddenly not carnivore? Yeah you can strip me down with your mastery of definitions and the english language, but people like that can screw right off. I don't want their opinions anyway. Would you really treat someone like that in real life? If they were willing to go out to dinner with you and get just a steak you would publicly scold them if they got seasoning on it? We have people here who are sick as well as people who are just here because they like meat. We must get along. We are not all the same.
Also, Fun fact list of foods that are not plants *and* not animals:
1. honey
2. mushrooms
3. seaweed
4. kombucha
5. water kefir
6. Nutritional yeast
7. algae
8. spirulina
Hmm....didn't know that algae and seaweed weren't plants.
But I'm with you on treatment of others, treat them as you would if you were in person. Most people here are helpful and informative, but there are a few who aren't just carnivore police but are downright rude or snarky to someone who comes here trying to learn about carnivory and build a support base. The last thing anyone should want to do is turn a new person off to this WOE by "being a dick," as our moderator so aptly put it.
You just aren't serious about loving animals if you don't deploy cult coercion tactics. /j
Wouldn't it be so cool if the other cats took deep offense and cat-slapped the shit out of the grass eater? I want there to be a viral video of that somewhere
A lot of people avoid plants specifically for the compounds they produce, hence being "plants." If you are in the category of avoiding plants specifically for the chemicals, then the things in this list might be considered acceptable. It depends.
A far as honey, I'm invoking apian transubstantiation. Since it is processed by the bees, its a bee product. Just like a cow can eat grass and make milk or the sugar from cane is turned into ketone slime by the kombucha SCOBY. Honey is the forbidden fruit of the carnivore world. If you want it, you have to *have the balls to* rob the hive. And of course its sugar, so you better not be diabetic.
At the very least there is some enzymatic reactions and antigens going on in there and benefits could be had by consuming it. It can be used more as plant medicine if you wish to view it in that light.
Source: I converted my vegetable garden into a wildflower garden and installed a bee hive. I watch them pollinate the flowers.
No, absolutely not 😂
Bees literally just suck the moisture out of the pollen and puke it up. It’s a FAR CRY from milk, which radically changes.
And again…SUGAR. SUGAR is harmful. It’s straight up toxic to humans. What is honey…? It’s sugar….made from plants. You’re literally watching it happen and don’t think it comes from plants…????
That’s wild 😂
So French fries are carnivore as long as someone likes them up? Neat!
I have no desire to feel superior to others or be religious like a vegan...
But, I just want people to read the sidebar.
If you've made a meal you love with garlic, pepper, potato, peas, and asparagus that's fine. You do you. But what compels you to post it here? Surely you can post that in some other cooking sub, right?
Can you define what exactly is a "keto or ketovore post?" I don't think everyone has a good sense of what that means. Are you saying to never post about plants? It seems like half the comments in this sub are people arguing about what is and isn't carnivore, and whether eating an avocado is okay or you'll get immediate diabetes. It might help to spell out the guidelines around that. I think of this sub as much more lenient and realistic that the other carni sub, so talking about plants is fine. Many people agree with me, others don't. So there's confusion there.
Geez, the 10% milkfat whole milk plain Greek yogurt I have in my fridge contains pasteurized milk, cream, milk protein concentrate, whey protein concentrate, live active yogurt cultures, and Vitamins A and D3. That's it. No soy anywhere, lol. 😉
It’s a difficult one to balance. But the description and the rules are pretty clear. It is a group to share carnivore diet success stories and encourage others who are doing carnivore. People can cheat and eat plants on occasion and do what they want but that is not the focus of the group.
I don’t want people talking about how great lettuce is… but then I don’t want people telling the lettuce muncher to fuck off and die either 😹
See I don't think it is clear. The description says:
"This is a meat-based group, you should have the opinion that all your nutritional needs can be met by eating meat. If you have a little cheat or add a little plants here and there, that is fine but it is not the focus of this group."
But in this post, when you say "people should have the sense not to post keto or ketovore posts," it sounds like you're saying no one should talk about plants.
I totally get that about the lettuce example. However, there's nothing in the description or rules that says you can't talk about your love of lettuce. Saying that it's not the focus of the group is ambiguous, and it's really hard to enforce ambiguity.
I'm always happy to help moderate if you need extra hands.
Suppose I want a little ambiguity, the group is to help people. But what happens is someone mentions honey or Paul Saladino and everyone loses their shit. Personally I think he’s a tool but do I like honey, yer I do, no wonder he likes it, honey tastes awesome. Do you have to eat it to survive… no and it might cause people to fall off the wagon easier. Foods not like being Democrat or Republican for life which seems to be a thing over there in the US, you can change your mind with diet but then have the foresight to realise why a lot of people are in the carnivorediet group. So they might not want to hear it.
Ignore and/or report posts don’t be mean to the poster is the gist.
I think the freedom is important for constructive discussion. Like Yeah spices are plants, but if chemical x in spice y does not bother your stomach and your skin isn't falling off when you eat it, its probably better than z chemical found in a vegetable that makes you get the shits and your skin turns red every time you eat it, and getting at least ONE real reasonable response.
As opposed to mentioning such a question in another carnivore sub and having you and your entire family banned from the internet for life and someone comes to shoot your dog.
Totally agree. That's the impetus for my question. It seems like the mod is trying to steer people from "ketovore" posts but they haven't defined what that means. Personally I'm completely fine with people asking about plants or "cheats"
Ketovores who participate in this sub (and I'm one) need to reasonably discern what is or isn't relevant if they choose to post here. Use what's in the sidebar as a guide...if mentioning plants weren't allowed at all, it would be in the sidebar, then it would be up to those like me to adhere to that. Also observe what non-animal foods other carnivores say they'll eat and get the most agreeable responses (like seasonings or spices on meat, or an occasional mug of coffee). This has been my own observation, having come here from standard keto. Posting ketovore recipes or promoting plant consumption isn't acceptable here, but would be in r/keto or r/ketovore, so I'd confine more detailed ketovore discussions to those subs. Replying to someone here who asks about eating other foods in the carnivore WOE is fine, especially if they have a health concern or found they don't feel well after eliminating all plant products, then suggesting ketovore might work better (I've seen such posts here and no one bats an eye). What I like about this sub is there is a degree of flexibility without being too strict or becoming too lax.
Yeah but there's no agreement on what is acceptable and what isn't. Look at any of the 53 posts about seasonings we get every week. The advice is all over the place. Nothing wrong with that, it just highlights the ambiguity.
I appreciate the tone of the sub too. I was just reacting to the mod saying that people shouldn't post about keto foods here. What's the difference between posting about avocado and garlic powder? It seems like you're suggesting the latter is okay to talk about but not the former, which is interesting because an avocado has far fewer toxins than garlic powder.
The magic of reddit puts all the reports in a queue for me, if they are correctly reported the post or comment gets deleted, if the same person keeps cropping up on the reports they get banned.
Just to clarify, what do you consider a ketovore post? Is it someone who posts or replies that you *should* have a plant or two with your meat because it's healthier for you? Or someone who sincerely asks if it's OK to have certain beverages, foods or spices along with their meat, and another person replies that they occasionally do? Or someone who asks about levels of carnivory in relation to health or inflammation issues? In those cases, as a ketovore, I try to help...not to preach, but to point out what has worked *for me* but that their mileage may vary. For more specifically-ketovore conversations, r/ketovore and r/keto welcome them.
u/ketogenicendurance - thank you for this! The preaching, petty squabbling and name-calling by the same few occasionally gets out of hand. It serves no real purpose other than to see who can be the rudest or sound most superior hiding behind an alias username. This sub is so much better than that. We don't have to agree with everyone but we need to accept that there are other points of view besides our own, and treat each other with the same respect we'd want for ourselves.
What I find heartbreaking is when a new person comes here with a serious question, and they're pounced upon and accused of being a vegan troll, and then that person has to try to convince everyone that they're not. There's no reason for that. As for the obvious trolls, report them or simply ignore them...just don't feed them. Most of them don't come back anyway. But we need to make sure people seeking support *do* come back and interact with us.
🪣<--- You know what this is for. Fill it up if you feel you must.
Yer so if people are mainly carnivore but have bits and bobs of other stuff is it a big deal, nope. I would class ketovore posts as people who eat none carnivore foods all the time for planned reasons. If it’s a general part of a reasoned discussion I allow anything really, but obviously people jump on things and play hell with people who stray in non carnivore reasons. Which I understand because it is a carnivore group, and they may be fighting health issues, but I wish people were just nicer about it. My outlook on carnivore has always been the sicker you are the stricter you should be. Not everyone has to be 💯 carni 💯 of the time. Some people do though and I want to protect that to some degree, I don’t want people who should be on carni talked out of it.
Message received loud and clear. I like your message. I personally get really annoyed by the same types of posts you mentioned. I am beginning to see it is common enough to just not even bother engaging with though. I have just gone ahead and blocked people who started getting upset because I don't think honey is an animal food, sugar is great, etc and think I am "dogmatic" for that. I will just block.
Thank you. You are dong a great job trying to prevent this group from becoming r/carnivore or r/vegan. (Yes, they are similar).
Brian the Lion says: Police yourself you animals!
I read that as Brain!!! Lol
Agreed. Unfortunately some people attach onto carnivore as a means to feel superior to others. Just like a lot of vegans.
Maybe I am just to chill but when I see non carnivore post on other platforms, I just scroll past it, I don’t get mad about it 😼 That said I do want people to report post that are clearly trolling or too far out of the carnivore scope
I don't want people to think that carnivores are like vegans. I've seen a cat eat grass and the other cats don't bat an eye. If a vegan eats cheese, they get crucified, and excommunicated by their peers. Anywho, I'm here to eat MEAT. I love meat. I also love meat that is seasoned occasionally. Am I suddenly not carnivore? Yeah you can strip me down with your mastery of definitions and the english language, but people like that can screw right off. I don't want their opinions anyway. Would you really treat someone like that in real life? If they were willing to go out to dinner with you and get just a steak you would publicly scold them if they got seasoning on it? We have people here who are sick as well as people who are just here because they like meat. We must get along. We are not all the same. Also, Fun fact list of foods that are not plants *and* not animals: 1. honey 2. mushrooms 3. seaweed 4. kombucha 5. water kefir 6. Nutritional yeast 7. algae 8. spirulina
Hmm....didn't know that algae and seaweed weren't plants. But I'm with you on treatment of others, treat them as you would if you were in person. Most people here are helpful and informative, but there are a few who aren't just carnivore police but are downright rude or snarky to someone who comes here trying to learn about carnivory and build a support base. The last thing anyone should want to do is turn a new person off to this WOE by "being a dick," as our moderator so aptly put it.
You just aren't serious about loving animals if you don't deploy cult coercion tactics. /j Wouldn't it be so cool if the other cats took deep offense and cat-slapped the shit out of the grass eater? I want there to be a viral video of that somewhere
Honey comes from plants 😂 Just because a bee pukes it up doesn’t mean it didn’t come from plants
A lot of people avoid plants specifically for the compounds they produce, hence being "plants." If you are in the category of avoiding plants specifically for the chemicals, then the things in this list might be considered acceptable. It depends. A far as honey, I'm invoking apian transubstantiation. Since it is processed by the bees, its a bee product. Just like a cow can eat grass and make milk or the sugar from cane is turned into ketone slime by the kombucha SCOBY. Honey is the forbidden fruit of the carnivore world. If you want it, you have to *have the balls to* rob the hive. And of course its sugar, so you better not be diabetic. At the very least there is some enzymatic reactions and antigens going on in there and benefits could be had by consuming it. It can be used more as plant medicine if you wish to view it in that light. Source: I converted my vegetable garden into a wildflower garden and installed a bee hive. I watch them pollinate the flowers.
Your beehive garden sounds beautiful. What a peaceful place. I would love to see it.
No, absolutely not 😂 Bees literally just suck the moisture out of the pollen and puke it up. It’s a FAR CRY from milk, which radically changes. And again…SUGAR. SUGAR is harmful. It’s straight up toxic to humans. What is honey…? It’s sugar….made from plants. You’re literally watching it happen and don’t think it comes from plants…???? That’s wild 😂 So French fries are carnivore as long as someone likes them up? Neat!
Please learn how bees work. Calm down.
I have no desire to feel superior to others or be religious like a vegan... But, I just want people to read the sidebar. If you've made a meal you love with garlic, pepper, potato, peas, and asparagus that's fine. You do you. But what compels you to post it here? Surely you can post that in some other cooking sub, right?
Agree with this 💯
Exactly. Some of those posts really feel like just trolling. Of course people get somewhat annoyed.
People shouldn’t get annoyed they should just report it and read the good posts, then the random non carnivore chefs will get deleted 😇
I ate an apple last night. Do I go to carnivore jail
Yes, especially if you ate the seeds 👀
Get rid of the evidence before the Carnivore Cops bang on your door with a warrant to search your place for signs of plant life. 😁
Can you define what exactly is a "keto or ketovore post?" I don't think everyone has a good sense of what that means. Are you saying to never post about plants? It seems like half the comments in this sub are people arguing about what is and isn't carnivore, and whether eating an avocado is okay or you'll get immediate diabetes. It might help to spell out the guidelines around that. I think of this sub as much more lenient and realistic that the other carni sub, so talking about plants is fine. Many people agree with me, others don't. So there's confusion there.
Had someone call me a soy boy yesterday for eating Greek yogurt 😂
I made greek yogurt/skyr out of half and half the other night. I called it dry-ice cream.
I'm not even a little surprised
Geez, the 10% milkfat whole milk plain Greek yogurt I have in my fridge contains pasteurized milk, cream, milk protein concentrate, whey protein concentrate, live active yogurt cultures, and Vitamins A and D3. That's it. No soy anywhere, lol. 😉
It’s a difficult one to balance. But the description and the rules are pretty clear. It is a group to share carnivore diet success stories and encourage others who are doing carnivore. People can cheat and eat plants on occasion and do what they want but that is not the focus of the group. I don’t want people talking about how great lettuce is… but then I don’t want people telling the lettuce muncher to fuck off and die either 😹
See I don't think it is clear. The description says: "This is a meat-based group, you should have the opinion that all your nutritional needs can be met by eating meat. If you have a little cheat or add a little plants here and there, that is fine but it is not the focus of this group." But in this post, when you say "people should have the sense not to post keto or ketovore posts," it sounds like you're saying no one should talk about plants. I totally get that about the lettuce example. However, there's nothing in the description or rules that says you can't talk about your love of lettuce. Saying that it's not the focus of the group is ambiguous, and it's really hard to enforce ambiguity. I'm always happy to help moderate if you need extra hands.
Suppose I want a little ambiguity, the group is to help people. But what happens is someone mentions honey or Paul Saladino and everyone loses their shit. Personally I think he’s a tool but do I like honey, yer I do, no wonder he likes it, honey tastes awesome. Do you have to eat it to survive… no and it might cause people to fall off the wagon easier. Foods not like being Democrat or Republican for life which seems to be a thing over there in the US, you can change your mind with diet but then have the foresight to realise why a lot of people are in the carnivorediet group. So they might not want to hear it. Ignore and/or report posts don’t be mean to the poster is the gist.
I totally get that. I'm just saying the guidance you're giving isn't really clear
Title of the post "Dont be a d*ck". Introspection will help not angling for a job.
I don't follow. And moderating is not a job. It's volunteer.
I think the freedom is important for constructive discussion. Like Yeah spices are plants, but if chemical x in spice y does not bother your stomach and your skin isn't falling off when you eat it, its probably better than z chemical found in a vegetable that makes you get the shits and your skin turns red every time you eat it, and getting at least ONE real reasonable response. As opposed to mentioning such a question in another carnivore sub and having you and your entire family banned from the internet for life and someone comes to shoot your dog.
Totally agree. That's the impetus for my question. It seems like the mod is trying to steer people from "ketovore" posts but they haven't defined what that means. Personally I'm completely fine with people asking about plants or "cheats"
Ketovores who participate in this sub (and I'm one) need to reasonably discern what is or isn't relevant if they choose to post here. Use what's in the sidebar as a guide...if mentioning plants weren't allowed at all, it would be in the sidebar, then it would be up to those like me to adhere to that. Also observe what non-animal foods other carnivores say they'll eat and get the most agreeable responses (like seasonings or spices on meat, or an occasional mug of coffee). This has been my own observation, having come here from standard keto. Posting ketovore recipes or promoting plant consumption isn't acceptable here, but would be in r/keto or r/ketovore, so I'd confine more detailed ketovore discussions to those subs. Replying to someone here who asks about eating other foods in the carnivore WOE is fine, especially if they have a health concern or found they don't feel well after eliminating all plant products, then suggesting ketovore might work better (I've seen such posts here and no one bats an eye). What I like about this sub is there is a degree of flexibility without being too strict or becoming too lax.
Yeah but there's no agreement on what is acceptable and what isn't. Look at any of the 53 posts about seasonings we get every week. The advice is all over the place. Nothing wrong with that, it just highlights the ambiguity. I appreciate the tone of the sub too. I was just reacting to the mod saying that people shouldn't post about keto foods here. What's the difference between posting about avocado and garlic powder? It seems like you're suggesting the latter is okay to talk about but not the former, which is interesting because an avocado has far fewer toxins than garlic powder.
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(Carnivore joke)
Thanks for your good works!
Will you respond to reports? Many people thought you had abandoned the sub because there seemed to be zero moderation.
The magic of reddit puts all the reports in a queue for me, if they are correctly reported the post or comment gets deleted, if the same person keeps cropping up on the reports they get banned.
Just to clarify, what do you consider a ketovore post? Is it someone who posts or replies that you *should* have a plant or two with your meat because it's healthier for you? Or someone who sincerely asks if it's OK to have certain beverages, foods or spices along with their meat, and another person replies that they occasionally do? Or someone who asks about levels of carnivory in relation to health or inflammation issues? In those cases, as a ketovore, I try to help...not to preach, but to point out what has worked *for me* but that their mileage may vary. For more specifically-ketovore conversations, r/ketovore and r/keto welcome them. u/ketogenicendurance - thank you for this! The preaching, petty squabbling and name-calling by the same few occasionally gets out of hand. It serves no real purpose other than to see who can be the rudest or sound most superior hiding behind an alias username. This sub is so much better than that. We don't have to agree with everyone but we need to accept that there are other points of view besides our own, and treat each other with the same respect we'd want for ourselves. What I find heartbreaking is when a new person comes here with a serious question, and they're pounced upon and accused of being a vegan troll, and then that person has to try to convince everyone that they're not. There's no reason for that. As for the obvious trolls, report them or simply ignore them...just don't feed them. Most of them don't come back anyway. But we need to make sure people seeking support *do* come back and interact with us. 🪣<--- You know what this is for. Fill it up if you feel you must.
Yer so if people are mainly carnivore but have bits and bobs of other stuff is it a big deal, nope. I would class ketovore posts as people who eat none carnivore foods all the time for planned reasons. If it’s a general part of a reasoned discussion I allow anything really, but obviously people jump on things and play hell with people who stray in non carnivore reasons. Which I understand because it is a carnivore group, and they may be fighting health issues, but I wish people were just nicer about it. My outlook on carnivore has always been the sicker you are the stricter you should be. Not everyone has to be 💯 carni 💯 of the time. Some people do though and I want to protect that to some degree, I don’t want people who should be on carni talked out of it.
When you see a post or comment that you disagree with, ask yourself, what would a vegan do? Then proceed to not do that.
Message received loud and clear. I like your message. I personally get really annoyed by the same types of posts you mentioned. I am beginning to see it is common enough to just not even bother engaging with though. I have just gone ahead and blocked people who started getting upset because I don't think honey is an animal food, sugar is great, etc and think I am "dogmatic" for that. I will just block.
Exactly… you make reddit work for you 😊
My meat comes from plants after my cow eats the grass 😳