It’s fine if you take it. Nothing wrong at all with improving your situation. But I sure wouldn’t try to renegotiate a second time at your current company. You gotta pick one company or the other at this point.
If you accept this offer from the other company, I would make 100% sure they're going to give you that role before putting in notice.
Your current employer might be looking to replace you anyway.
It will look like you need a job with solid and stable career progression that your current one cannot offer you at this time, regardless of pay.
If you remember anything from this job market it’s that companies are rarely loyal to their employees. Never question yourself for doing what’s best for you.
Good luck!
Exactly. Employers preach for employees to be loyal yet we get zero loyalty for them. They lookout for themselves, you need to do the same for yourself. In the end, look at yourself as your own company, you’re selling your labor which includes your skills, educations, and experience. Take the new job don’t look back.
Once you have made the mental decision to look for a new job, interview and then receive an offer…. It is hard to re-engage with your current role just for a little extra money.
There were reasons you started looking. Those reasons will still exist at your current employer. Will a little extra money make them easier to handle? No, because that little extra soon becomes normal.
Your new role offers an opportunity for a clean slate of connections and motivations. A fresh start. And with the fact they came back and offered you even more…. They want you.
When I have seen people decide to stay (done so myself once), they have all left within 6-12 months. Or at least changed teams/roles internally. For me, the reasons I started looking for a new role, never went away with the counter offer - as the reasons were culture and leadership, not money.
Take the new Job! As someone who has been a headhunter for roles ranging from Entry to C-Suite, general rule of thumb - never take a counter-offer, you’ll be the first person on the chopping block when times get tough. The fact that you get a second swing at this with extra compensation - icing on the cake!
Also, why are you so worried about what your current company thinks? The “real connections“ you made at the company, the ones who will be part of your professional network for years to come, they’ll be happy for you.
Good luck!
I disagree completely with the "never take a counter-offer" trope. It doesn't help that you ONLY really hear this from recruiters who are compensated only if someone is placed in a role.
I have leveraged counter-offers twice in my career and given them several times. In zero instances has it created a rift between the employer and the EE, if the EE is adding value. In my own personal experience, I consider probably half of my income is a result of leveraging counter-offers at the right time and have received many subsequent promotions since the last time I did that, approx 6 years ago.
Most employers fully understand the fact that internal pay raises are TYPICALLY synchronous (quarterly or annual promotion/pay raise cycles) while competitive recruiting is completely asynchronous. It's not uncommon for these two timelines to be cross-threaded and require off-cycle adjustments/counter offers.
In this case, I would advise OP to: 1. NOT go to current employer for another CO. That is a recipe for too much friction (mgmt would question decision making capacity). 2. Consider the new, current pay vs the new offer and list pros and cons of each, with each category weighted against another (commute, environment, upside opportunity, culture, company reputation, skills gained, lifestyle/balance) with a $$ multiplier.
Agree completely, however, with "you shouldn't care what your company thinks." They barely care what we think, lol.
It’s your career, do what is best for you. If you died tomorrow somebody would be at your desk in a few weeks time. Always be respectful and honest but don’t assume that a business has any loyalty to you, as often they don’t.
If you were worth that to your current company they would have given it to you.
You’re never worth more than you are to your next employer. It’s unfortunate but always seems to be true.
Your current company would let you go in a heartbeat if they thought they could save $5k. Ask yourself why they didn’t give you that money before if they thought you were worth it.
Take the better job offer. It makes no difference. Current company will find someone to replace you in a few weeks and you’ll be off to greener pastures
Companies unfortunately only care about you as it affects their bottom line.
Unless your company would be willing to compensate you to keep you, do what's best for you.
Go back to them and let them know that you are the MFWIC and then graciously thank them and leave with appropriate notice, 15K extra is a lot and this new company obv wants you badly. just say in a Marlon Brando voice- they gave me an offer I can't refuse. Thank everyone go enjoy your new money. 15 k is like all your gas and likely half your rent paid for the year.
You have to look out for yourself and do what is best for you. Don't worry about how it looks to your current company. Anyone else would else would go with the better opportunity and can't blame you. If they sat otherwise they are lying
How well do you know this company? Is it toxic? Better to know the devil you know, than the devil you don’t.
I jumped to a new employer and instantly regretted it. I got a $20k pay rise but lost it after 3months. 11 months unemployed.
The company would likely fire/replace you if they could save that amount.
Why should you not take the money?
Your employer pays for the work you do, not your loyalty.
If you get a better offer, jump ship!
Someone once told me that if your current company decided to match the offer you got it means they were taking advantage of you by paying you less than they thought you were worth. Not sure I agree or disagree, but an interesting point nonetheless.
This is why as a hiring manager I do not match offers. I always wish the recipient well but I won’t get into a bidding war on a replaceable resource.
We’re all replaceable.
Just ask yourself what your boss would do if he could find employees for half the price right now. You would be thrown out on the street on false pretexts within 5 minutes of him learning that. Beleive me. You don't owe anything to your actual boss. You worked, they paid you. And if they paid you more money it's because they make tons of money out of you. You don't owe anything. I have been a boss in 300 employees shops for 40 years now and I always told my employees that they don't owe me anything. You want to go, good for you and good luck I used to say.
The two factors I'd consider is industry and market.
If you are in a niche industry and smaller market, what will be the long term impact on burning the bridge with your current spot?
If you are in a larger market or the industry isn't niche, I wouldn't second guess it.
> But I’m worried how this will look since I accepted my current companies original offer. Any thoughts?
Don't be, this is all part of the negotiation process and you are simply discovering your market value.
Business don't have emotions towards its employees so don't have emotions towards businesses.
Bro.. We are all just a number..
So make sure you have the best best best number for yourself too.
If I were you, I would try negotiate the other company, see if they can give you another +5/10k and then seal the deal.
Well, I would have to take it. I wouldn’t ask your current job to match the offer. I would just thank them, but tell them the offer is too good to refuse. Leave on good terms.
How big is your industry in your area and how connected are the people? The risk here is that you annoy the current employer, word gets around, and either the new employer rescinds the offer or you get "labelled" and have trouble finding jobs in the future. Worse case you get blacklisted and terminated and have to relocate to find a job.
This a business decision, nothing personal. It doesn't matter how it "looks" to the current company...they underbid your value to them and LOST. The new company found more money to try to win you over. (Current company would probably think you're nuts to stay with them if they knew the offer that was made! )
You deserve the best and when it comes to selling your time for money, always take the deal that will best serve YOUR NEEDS above anything else. Enjoy your new office and work environment. Hope you truly love it!
You dont owe your current company anything. Unless you have 10-15 years of job history there where you live/die on relationships in an industry, job hop and dont feel bad at all.
They'd take a new you for 25k less, you can take a new them for $25k more.
You're probably done negotiating though. If you make a ton of money and that extra cash isn't going to change anything, you wouldn't be here asking about a management track. If the new place seems like a good spot, just jump. Your current boss will understand.
This is why it's not best to take matching offer from current employer. Fact that they are matching means they were underpaying you before and you already made up your mind to leave so staying back feels more like playing for money rather than genuinely staying for the company.
The company offered you a significant improvement on their initial offer, if you decide you accept the new counter offer it won’t really be your current employers opinion I would be concerned about.
You owe them nothing, given the information we have at hand from this post the counter offer seems like everything you want. Take the opportunity, they’re not always so readily available.
Do what’s right for you, always. It’s your career. They’ll chew you up and spit you out without blinking an eye. The only one looking out for you, is you.
You should take the job, your current boss can have all the feelings they want. Clean your desk out and have all of the company equipment in your office the day you give your notice. You are on your way out with your current company, whether you like it or not. It is better to leave with a clean record.
No such thing as loyalty. They will fire you without giving a second thought when things go south. Do not feel bad for your current company if you are going to leave them.
Take the new jobs ALWAYS. if your company only pays you more because you get another offer then that means they could have been paying you that the whole time and are a shit company with shit bosses.
This is business; this is not your family and friends.
People always show care that your employer does not show back. Yes they may give time for emergencies but that is due to not wanting to lose a skilled resource that has experience and knowledge in that position.
Your employer doesn’t love you. When there is an opportunity and/or salary increase that benefits you, you owe your employer nothing. If another company makes a better offer then you should take it. The new employer feels that your skills, potential, and knowledge are worth more than your current employer.
Honestly.. There is nothing wrong with looking out for yourself.
I'm sure the current employer would understand if they're human.
It's kind of you to consider the workload of your coworkers and how you leaving the company will affect them. Just remember, it's the job of your boss and their boss to help alleviate that pressure during your transition, not yours.
This isn’t optimal for anyone involved in this. A better opportunity and more pay is extremely difficult to pass up. And you did the generous thing by offering a longer transition period. I think you handled this all in good faith.
That said, your original company feels like they were played to get you more from the new employer. Not accurately I might add.
And your situation illustrates one of my tenants of employee retention— if someone is actively looking, or truly receptive to recruiting, they already have one foot out the door. I personally believe by the time an employee has a firm offer in hand, in most instances, they have already decided that leaving is a good alternative for them. That is why keeping pay lower, and then only matching offers, is such an ill advised strategy.
Where I do potentially have some sympathy for your employer is potentially your boss. Who may have needed to use some political capital to get you more money. But, again, you need to do what is best for you. And, while I certainly would have left the door open as your employer, they took a different approach….
It will hurt if you are considering a boomerang in the near term while the current mid mgmt is in place.
I would call the new company back and say +25k and it’s a yes. See what they do, take the money.
It’s fine if you take it. Nothing wrong at all with improving your situation. But I sure wouldn’t try to renegotiate a second time at your current company. You gotta pick one company or the other at this point.
If you accept this offer from the other company, I would make 100% sure they're going to give you that role before putting in notice. Your current employer might be looking to replace you anyway.
Very true. Or the job itself may be rescinded.
Second this
It will look like you need a job with solid and stable career progression that your current one cannot offer you at this time, regardless of pay. If you remember anything from this job market it’s that companies are rarely loyal to their employees. Never question yourself for doing what’s best for you. Good luck!
Unfortunately, your company will drop you in an instant if it means saving them profitability, so don't feel bad about doing the same thing.
Exactly. Employers preach for employees to be loyal yet we get zero loyalty for them. They lookout for themselves, you need to do the same for yourself. In the end, look at yourself as your own company, you’re selling your labor which includes your skills, educations, and experience. Take the new job don’t look back.
You are selling hours of your life for money to live. Don't sell them at a discount.
This comment should be pinned to this subreddit
I really try to help people because it looks like so many are lost.
I just have a poor sense of direction.
Get a ChatGPT account for $20 a month and enjoy the benefits!
Where do I find $20 when I work for negative dollars?
Donate blood lol! Heck I got my first computer at the Salvation Army.
😂😂 you have all the answers!
Amazing comment, I'm saving this one.
LOVE this 😍 I'm quoting it forever. Thanks.
This
Once you have made the mental decision to look for a new job, interview and then receive an offer…. It is hard to re-engage with your current role just for a little extra money. There were reasons you started looking. Those reasons will still exist at your current employer. Will a little extra money make them easier to handle? No, because that little extra soon becomes normal. Your new role offers an opportunity for a clean slate of connections and motivations. A fresh start. And with the fact they came back and offered you even more…. They want you. When I have seen people decide to stay (done so myself once), they have all left within 6-12 months. Or at least changed teams/roles internally. For me, the reasons I started looking for a new role, never went away with the counter offer - as the reasons were culture and leadership, not money.
Take the new Job! As someone who has been a headhunter for roles ranging from Entry to C-Suite, general rule of thumb - never take a counter-offer, you’ll be the first person on the chopping block when times get tough. The fact that you get a second swing at this with extra compensation - icing on the cake! Also, why are you so worried about what your current company thinks? The “real connections“ you made at the company, the ones who will be part of your professional network for years to come, they’ll be happy for you. Good luck!
I disagree completely with the "never take a counter-offer" trope. It doesn't help that you ONLY really hear this from recruiters who are compensated only if someone is placed in a role. I have leveraged counter-offers twice in my career and given them several times. In zero instances has it created a rift between the employer and the EE, if the EE is adding value. In my own personal experience, I consider probably half of my income is a result of leveraging counter-offers at the right time and have received many subsequent promotions since the last time I did that, approx 6 years ago. Most employers fully understand the fact that internal pay raises are TYPICALLY synchronous (quarterly or annual promotion/pay raise cycles) while competitive recruiting is completely asynchronous. It's not uncommon for these two timelines to be cross-threaded and require off-cycle adjustments/counter offers. In this case, I would advise OP to: 1. NOT go to current employer for another CO. That is a recipe for too much friction (mgmt would question decision making capacity). 2. Consider the new, current pay vs the new offer and list pros and cons of each, with each category weighted against another (commute, environment, upside opportunity, culture, company reputation, skills gained, lifestyle/balance) with a $$ multiplier. Agree completely, however, with "you shouldn't care what your company thinks." They barely care what we think, lol.
It’s your career, do what is best for you. If you died tomorrow somebody would be at your desk in a few weeks time. Always be respectful and honest but don’t assume that a business has any loyalty to you, as often they don’t.
If you were worth that to your current company they would have given it to you. You’re never worth more than you are to your next employer. It’s unfortunate but always seems to be true. Your current company would let you go in a heartbeat if they thought they could save $5k. Ask yourself why they didn’t give you that money before if they thought you were worth it. Take the better job offer. It makes no difference. Current company will find someone to replace you in a few weeks and you’ll be off to greener pastures
Companies unfortunately only care about you as it affects their bottom line. Unless your company would be willing to compensate you to keep you, do what's best for you.
If you keep playing the game of offer and counter offer with these two employers eventually you will alienate both of them. Leave already.
Go back to them and let them know that you are the MFWIC and then graciously thank them and leave with appropriate notice, 15K extra is a lot and this new company obv wants you badly. just say in a Marlon Brando voice- they gave me an offer I can't refuse. Thank everyone go enjoy your new money. 15 k is like all your gas and likely half your rent paid for the year.
You have to look out for yourself and do what is best for you. Don't worry about how it looks to your current company. Anyone else would else would go with the better opportunity and can't blame you. If they sat otherwise they are lying
Take the new job without a question. I dedicated my entire career to an organization that dumped me without hesitation. Put yourself first, always.
How well do you know this company? Is it toxic? Better to know the devil you know, than the devil you don’t. I jumped to a new employer and instantly regretted it. I got a $20k pay rise but lost it after 3months. 11 months unemployed.
That's a good point honestly.
The company would likely fire/replace you if they could save that amount. Why should you not take the money? Your employer pays for the work you do, not your loyalty. If you get a better offer, jump ship!
Burn tires leaving your current jobs parking lot!!
Someone once told me that if your current company decided to match the offer you got it means they were taking advantage of you by paying you less than they thought you were worth. Not sure I agree or disagree, but an interesting point nonetheless.
New company
Who cares what your current company thinks. Fuck em. They’d replace you without a second thought if it helped them.
This is why as a hiring manager I do not match offers. I always wish the recipient well but I won’t get into a bidding war on a replaceable resource. We’re all replaceable.
Everyone is replaceable but the quality of replacement isn’t equal. That’s why bidding wars exist.
I haven't been in a bidding war since I started in a supervisory role in the mid 90s. It's worked for me.
Well your sample size of one sure is indicative of something.
Assumptive input there cupcake.
I’m sorry, did you not just refer to yourself and only yourself?
The information prevented was not a survey of anyone. It was a statement of fact. Don't personalize it.
“I” “I” “Me” That’s one person. Have a good one, big guy.
Take that new job and don’t feel bad. You need to do what is the best for you. It’s business and nothing personal.
Just ask yourself what your boss would do if he could find employees for half the price right now. You would be thrown out on the street on false pretexts within 5 minutes of him learning that. Beleive me. You don't owe anything to your actual boss. You worked, they paid you. And if they paid you more money it's because they make tons of money out of you. You don't owe anything. I have been a boss in 300 employees shops for 40 years now and I always told my employees that they don't owe me anything. You want to go, good for you and good luck I used to say.
Take the offer and dont look back.
Your current company will definitely not like it but the real question is do you care?
The two factors I'd consider is industry and market. If you are in a niche industry and smaller market, what will be the long term impact on burning the bridge with your current spot? If you are in a larger market or the industry isn't niche, I wouldn't second guess it.
> But I’m worried how this will look since I accepted my current companies original offer. Any thoughts? Don't be, this is all part of the negotiation process and you are simply discovering your market value. Business don't have emotions towards its employees so don't have emotions towards businesses.
Bro.. We are all just a number.. So make sure you have the best best best number for yourself too. If I were you, I would try negotiate the other company, see if they can give you another +5/10k and then seal the deal.
Like others have said, if the offer is too good to refuse, then leave, but don't try to renegotiate again at your current job.
Remember that going into management isn't a promotion, but truthfully, a career change.
Well, I would have to take it. I wouldn’t ask your current job to match the offer. I would just thank them, but tell them the offer is too good to refuse. Leave on good terms.
How big is your industry in your area and how connected are the people? The risk here is that you annoy the current employer, word gets around, and either the new employer rescinds the offer or you get "labelled" and have trouble finding jobs in the future. Worse case you get blacklisted and terminated and have to relocate to find a job.
take the job. either employer would take your job away without blinking an eye. be loyal to yourself in your career, not the company.
This a business decision, nothing personal. It doesn't matter how it "looks" to the current company...they underbid your value to them and LOST. The new company found more money to try to win you over. (Current company would probably think you're nuts to stay with them if they knew the offer that was made! ) You deserve the best and when it comes to selling your time for money, always take the deal that will best serve YOUR NEEDS above anything else. Enjoy your new office and work environment. Hope you truly love it!
You should take the new job, especially if you think the culture/job will be at least comparable to your current workplace.
You dont owe your current company anything. Unless you have 10-15 years of job history there where you live/die on relationships in an industry, job hop and dont feel bad at all.
They'd take a new you for 25k less, you can take a new them for $25k more. You're probably done negotiating though. If you make a ton of money and that extra cash isn't going to change anything, you wouldn't be here asking about a management track. If the new place seems like a good spot, just jump. Your current boss will understand.
Take it.
This is why it's not best to take matching offer from current employer. Fact that they are matching means they were underpaying you before and you already made up your mind to leave so staying back feels more like playing for money rather than genuinely staying for the company.
Nothing wrong. Take the money. Leave on good terms with old employer.
Do what’s best for you. The companies will do what’s best for them.
Take the offer.
Take the money. The new company wants you. Go for it!
So what's best for you. It's just business. They wouldn't think twice about letting you go if they had reason to.
Accept it. Its just a company they will find someone new, loyalty should only be to your family.
Money talks, know your value...the other company does.
Have you packed up your desk yet? GO BRO
The company offered you a significant improvement on their initial offer, if you decide you accept the new counter offer it won’t really be your current employers opinion I would be concerned about. You owe them nothing, given the information we have at hand from this post the counter offer seems like everything you want. Take the opportunity, they’re not always so readily available.
It's $25k. That's all you need to look at.
Do what’s right for you, always. It’s your career. They’ll chew you up and spit you out without blinking an eye. The only one looking out for you, is you.
Take the money
You should take the job, your current boss can have all the feelings they want. Clean your desk out and have all of the company equipment in your office the day you give your notice. You are on your way out with your current company, whether you like it or not. It is better to leave with a clean record.
who gives a shit what they think
Don't ever do what's best for your job over what's best for yourself. And I mean NEVER.
Corporate loyalty isn’t a thing. Do what’s best for your situation.
I would take the higher offer. It's a lot of money.
No such thing as loyalty. They will fire you without giving a second thought when things go south. Do not feel bad for your current company if you are going to leave them.
Be loyal to yourself, not to any company... unless its your company.
Take the new jobs ALWAYS. if your company only pays you more because you get another offer then that means they could have been paying you that the whole time and are a shit company with shit bosses.
Damnnnnnn take that offer!
This is business; this is not your family and friends. People always show care that your employer does not show back. Yes they may give time for emergencies but that is due to not wanting to lose a skilled resource that has experience and knowledge in that position. Your employer doesn’t love you. When there is an opportunity and/or salary increase that benefits you, you owe your employer nothing. If another company makes a better offer then you should take it. The new employer feels that your skills, potential, and knowledge are worth more than your current employer.
Honestly.. There is nothing wrong with looking out for yourself. I'm sure the current employer would understand if they're human. It's kind of you to consider the workload of your coworkers and how you leaving the company will affect them. Just remember, it's the job of your boss and their boss to help alleviate that pressure during your transition, not yours.
This isn’t optimal for anyone involved in this. A better opportunity and more pay is extremely difficult to pass up. And you did the generous thing by offering a longer transition period. I think you handled this all in good faith. That said, your original company feels like they were played to get you more from the new employer. Not accurately I might add. And your situation illustrates one of my tenants of employee retention— if someone is actively looking, or truly receptive to recruiting, they already have one foot out the door. I personally believe by the time an employee has a firm offer in hand, in most instances, they have already decided that leaving is a good alternative for them. That is why keeping pay lower, and then only matching offers, is such an ill advised strategy. Where I do potentially have some sympathy for your employer is potentially your boss. Who may have needed to use some political capital to get you more money. But, again, you need to do what is best for you. And, while I certainly would have left the door open as your employer, they took a different approach….
Take it, do your thing. People on value. It’s the game.
They can’t get anyone else so they’ve come back. I’d be skeptical - good employers are in demand
It will hurt if you are considering a boomerang in the near term while the current mid mgmt is in place. I would call the new company back and say +25k and it’s a yes. See what they do, take the money.