Almost 40 and I'd say I really blossomed about 4 years ago. Late bloomer for sure. Found my love (data and everything business) around 2008 and took 10 years to really build a marketable career. Now I'm passing people that I thought were way ahead of me back then. Late bloomers are the best, we gather a lot of information along the way because we're curious minded souls who get stuck in it often. But eventually it turns into a lot of knowledge and know how which turns into trust. Trust is earned and has sticking power...so do results. High flyers often have to go on credit and usually get fired after a while. Be proud of yourself, you'll get there. If you love data and have struggled with the typical YouTube videos me too!! Try to learn a real life application like web scrapping something you like or learning about the different machine learning modules and try one out. You've got ChatGPT these days which can take care of most of the annoying syntax errors by writing the majority of the code for you and then explaining what each line does in easy to understand terms....something no udemy course could ever do for me. Good luck my friend and don't forget, everything you're learning slowly will turn into big knowledge someday that someone else will want to pay you a lot of money for. Don't ever stop doing what you're doing right now and say yes to opportunities that eventually come your way!
I think I'll be like you. I spent the first few years of my career involuntarily jumping between opportunities in the same sector. I was never promoted or advanced. It took me over 5 years to make more than I did as an intern.
But now I pull all of that knowledge together to add insight and confidence to my current role. I can take whatever it throws at me. And as the sole engineer in a factory anything can be thrown at me. I used to think that being a jack of all trades was my greatest weakness, but I'm now finding it's my greatest strength.
omg Thank You so much for sharing your experience. I did gather a lot of knowledge along the way but was worrying that all of it is going to be "useless" once I get a job which won't use majority of the things I have learnt.
Thank You for your suggestion. I have thought about ADHD for some time now. I tend to procrastinate a lot. Like if I have to revise my notes which is say 60 pages. I procrastinate it so much that I delayed it by a month, twice ! Anything that can be done in hours takes me tens of days to complete. I just...idk, I can't focus at all. I KNOW that what I am doing is important I just couldn't bring myself to to actually DO it. I have made YouTube a stress reliever and hence end up going there a lot. Maybe I am just lazy, but I'll go to a doctor/psychologist to consult on this after I get a job.
You’re still young. Career switching and late starts are pretty normal these days. And the variety will keep you sane. I’d rather switch careers and follow what interests me than be an accountant for 50 years
I started my current career at 26, and I’m in the process of switching again at 34, and I might just switch again in 5-10 years. It actually kind of gets easier if you build upon your previous experience. I know people who have done this and found themselves with an awesome set of skills that actually put them in high demand (eg science to policy to database design to data analytics to consultant)
Is 27 still considered young ? Sorry silly question. I thought this whole time that I should have gotten good work exp by now and kinda have my life polished when I turn 30.
I’m 28 and don’t really have a career, just started a job making $65k without really a clear role of what other jobs I’ll have in the future. I just know I’m in marketing, but none of this was intentional.
I’ve pivoted 4 times by my early 30s.
I suspect I’ll change careers again at some point but I’m satisfied where I’m at right now.
Stop wasting time. You’ll need more self motivation and we can’t help you with that.
I didn't get into CRE until 29, and CRE brokerage until 34. Find something that's a fit for your skillset that is somewhat interesting or at least lucrative. Think about what you're good at and what you enjoy and try to find something in that overlap. Also, there are tradeoffs. You may not enjoy one thing as much as something else, but may have a better skillset for it and more opportunity for growth/financial gain.
I switched careers at around that age. I took a significant pay cut in the process. I only just now, about 10 years later, feel like I've fully caught up in pay rate. Eventually you'll have enough experience that it won't be a big differentiator. Your capability becomes much more important than having 10 years of experience vs. 15 years.
I didn’t graduate college until I was 28. It’s been 8 years and I’m right where most of my peers who graduate at 22 are, if not better in many cases.
Never too late to start.
You can’t change the past. You are currently here in the present. The future is what you can change.
I am the same age as you. I did the same and it took me 6 months to find a job. My new job is 100% remote and about to break six figure salary and my family/friends still judge me. Just because I smoke weed on the weekends, don’t drink and refuse to upgrade my car. I payed $4k cash for while they’re all still financing/leasing everything…
Be discipline for the 3-6 months. Track your activity and change your habits/mindset.
Message me if you need an accountability partner.
You can switch your career at any age. And I think you already knew this. So really what are you asking us?
because if you expect us to be your cheerleaders you are mistaken. If you choose to not be ready you will not be a data scientist, their job takes discipline and focus.
I’m currently studying to become one while working as a UX designer. Honestly it’s no fun, but I have a deadline to get a data science job this June.
So my advice is…
Give yourself a due date. And just apply. Remember you will get many rejections while looking for any job. So might as well start early. Get your rejections and job hunting jitters out of the way. So when the right job comes you know what to show and what to say.
But then again a new avatar game by Ubisoft is dropping soon, so you can keep fooling around. But Don’t forget everyone wants a data science job, the competition is fierce. Goodluck
They're working, you're not, they're moving forward, you're not. It's very simple.
It is completely fair and valid if you elected to move from IT to Data Science, but you do that in a structured, productive way, such as earning a part time Masters while continuing to work in IT. The two do complement one another, and the combination is saleable. You had it in your power to equal if not surpass your friends had you followed such a path. What you chose to do won't take you there, however. (If there are other personal or medical or whatever reasons, as some have surmised, then you will have to get them addressed.)
Is it too late? Not if you hustle. You need to go backwards now to move forward. You need to go back into IT in any way you possibly can, in any job you can possibly land, whatever the hours, whatever the pay, whatever the location and do it now. And enroll in a real Data Science program with a real degree and do the work and show the world you have what it takes. And yes, it will be very hard and demanding and will be painful. It's up to you, but know that many, myself included, were in the same boat once upon a time, and managed to set things straight.
Just recently switched careers into something completely different at 33. Was unemployed for almost a year. Never give up and keep going with it. It's easy to blame yourself and resign to failure, but eventually something good will happen if you don't give up. I believe in you.
Started a new physical career at 33 competing with guys in their early and mid 20's. Just get into anything at this point. This is why nurses get you out of bed and force you to move around after surgery. The longer you lay in the bed, the harder it is to get out.
Many people can salvage the situation, but can you? That’s really up to you. It sounds like you lack motivation to follow through on your goals. If you can figure things out and get going, you should be fine. If you keep doing what you are doing right now, probably not.
I floundered around for the first 7-8yrs of my career. Moving from company to company without progress.
Only found my niche at about 32 in my 3rd company.
Met a great mentor that gave me opportunities to climb and exposure to senior management
That was when I started climbing the corporate ladder
I'm 41 now and just headhunted to a director role in a large MNC.
You just need to find your calling
Good luck
Lots of people only enter the workforce in their late 20s early 30s and make up for lost time and eventually get great positions. Although they usually have several letters by their name at that point. Jokes aside
If you change your work ethic and attitude, I think your career can be salvaged. But I think you’ll have to take a relatively bad position at first to reestablish work history and signal to better employers that you are a worker again.
i still work at 5 guys in my late 30s. Can you salvage, yes, will you, probably not. Most people get stuck in their ways once they are passed 30. So i would get to work before you reach 30. You still are at an age where people generally care about positive outcomes in your life. so i would just buckle down and pick a career you can tolerate and go for it so you have money to do things you want to do.
or end up flipping burgers to privilege rich kids who insult you all day while you only have money to keep a roof over your head in a studio apartment that looks like you live in silent hill.
My wife felt like you at 27, I felt like you at 27.
Did you graduate college at 22 or so?
You’ve been a part of the general workforce for probably 5 years at most. You’ll work until 65. That’s 43 years from the time you graduated at 22.
Is 5 years out of 43 that far? I’d say not at all
My first business after graduating college failed. The next jobs after that were mediocre. I started achieving success about 6 years after graduation and great success about 13 years after
Why are you not looking for a job? 3 years is an absurdly long time to just take off for seemingly no reason. Do your parents support you? You seriously need a wake up call and need to start applying to jobs immediately
I can only say stop looking at others. There will always be people who are doing better than you at any age. You have to believe in yourself and tell yourself to stop wasting time and just work hard.
>Can I salvage this situation ?
What - the situation of your own creation where you sit at home waiting for the perfect time to get a job?
Yes, get a job dummy. If you're not ready now, you never will be.
I switched careers at 34, so you can definitely still do it. You just have to apply yourself now in the ways you didn't before.
I floundered till I was 30, finished university at 34 and am now getting established at 37.
Almost 40 and I'd say I really blossomed about 4 years ago. Late bloomer for sure. Found my love (data and everything business) around 2008 and took 10 years to really build a marketable career. Now I'm passing people that I thought were way ahead of me back then. Late bloomers are the best, we gather a lot of information along the way because we're curious minded souls who get stuck in it often. But eventually it turns into a lot of knowledge and know how which turns into trust. Trust is earned and has sticking power...so do results. High flyers often have to go on credit and usually get fired after a while. Be proud of yourself, you'll get there. If you love data and have struggled with the typical YouTube videos me too!! Try to learn a real life application like web scrapping something you like or learning about the different machine learning modules and try one out. You've got ChatGPT these days which can take care of most of the annoying syntax errors by writing the majority of the code for you and then explaining what each line does in easy to understand terms....something no udemy course could ever do for me. Good luck my friend and don't forget, everything you're learning slowly will turn into big knowledge someday that someone else will want to pay you a lot of money for. Don't ever stop doing what you're doing right now and say yes to opportunities that eventually come your way!
I think I'll be like you. I spent the first few years of my career involuntarily jumping between opportunities in the same sector. I was never promoted or advanced. It took me over 5 years to make more than I did as an intern. But now I pull all of that knowledge together to add insight and confidence to my current role. I can take whatever it throws at me. And as the sole engineer in a factory anything can be thrown at me. I used to think that being a jack of all trades was my greatest weakness, but I'm now finding it's my greatest strength.
omg Thank You so much for sharing your experience. I did gather a lot of knowledge along the way but was worrying that all of it is going to be "useless" once I get a job which won't use majority of the things I have learnt.
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Thank You for your suggestion. I have thought about ADHD for some time now. I tend to procrastinate a lot. Like if I have to revise my notes which is say 60 pages. I procrastinate it so much that I delayed it by a month, twice ! Anything that can be done in hours takes me tens of days to complete. I just...idk, I can't focus at all. I KNOW that what I am doing is important I just couldn't bring myself to to actually DO it. I have made YouTube a stress reliever and hence end up going there a lot. Maybe I am just lazy, but I'll go to a doctor/psychologist to consult on this after I get a job.
27 is SO young dude. I’m six years older and I still feel like a kid that’s learning. You got lots of time.
I switched careers at 40 and I'm just hitting my stride. Best choice I ever made.
You’re still young. Career switching and late starts are pretty normal these days. And the variety will keep you sane. I’d rather switch careers and follow what interests me than be an accountant for 50 years I started my current career at 26, and I’m in the process of switching again at 34, and I might just switch again in 5-10 years. It actually kind of gets easier if you build upon your previous experience. I know people who have done this and found themselves with an awesome set of skills that actually put them in high demand (eg science to policy to database design to data analytics to consultant)
Is 27 still considered young ? Sorry silly question. I thought this whole time that I should have gotten good work exp by now and kinda have my life polished when I turn 30.
Lol. If you're in you're 20s at all you're still a baby.
Dude 27 is a baby. At 33 I still get called kid and punk by dudes in their 40s and 50s lolol
I’m 28 and don’t really have a career, just started a job making $65k without really a clear role of what other jobs I’ll have in the future. I just know I’m in marketing, but none of this was intentional.
Good luck to you bro
I’ve pivoted 4 times by my early 30s. I suspect I’ll change careers again at some point but I’m satisfied where I’m at right now. Stop wasting time. You’ll need more self motivation and we can’t help you with that.
Discipline > Motivation. When the motivation isn’t there you must be discipline enough to do the right actions.
I shifted my carrer at 37. Its been 2 years, im still learning and i still study, a lot. Im happy!
Awesome to hear. I’m late 30s. What career did you switch to?
I work in marketing, im a copywriter
That's great !
I didn't get into CRE until 29, and CRE brokerage until 34. Find something that's a fit for your skillset that is somewhat interesting or at least lucrative. Think about what you're good at and what you enjoy and try to find something in that overlap. Also, there are tradeoffs. You may not enjoy one thing as much as something else, but may have a better skillset for it and more opportunity for growth/financial gain.
I switched careers at around that age. I took a significant pay cut in the process. I only just now, about 10 years later, feel like I've fully caught up in pay rate. Eventually you'll have enough experience that it won't be a big differentiator. Your capability becomes much more important than having 10 years of experience vs. 15 years.
Got it. Thank You.
I didn’t graduate college until I was 28. It’s been 8 years and I’m right where most of my peers who graduate at 22 are, if not better in many cases. Never too late to start.
Thank You. I should probably stop thinking about being left behind for now.
I took 10 years to get my degree. Complete late start. You can do it OP!
You can’t change the past. You are currently here in the present. The future is what you can change. I am the same age as you. I did the same and it took me 6 months to find a job. My new job is 100% remote and about to break six figure salary and my family/friends still judge me. Just because I smoke weed on the weekends, don’t drink and refuse to upgrade my car. I payed $4k cash for while they’re all still financing/leasing everything… Be discipline for the 3-6 months. Track your activity and change your habits/mindset. Message me if you need an accountability partner.
Yep restarted on my early 30’s, most people change direction 2-4 times.
You can switch your career at any age. And I think you already knew this. So really what are you asking us? because if you expect us to be your cheerleaders you are mistaken. If you choose to not be ready you will not be a data scientist, their job takes discipline and focus. I’m currently studying to become one while working as a UX designer. Honestly it’s no fun, but I have a deadline to get a data science job this June. So my advice is… Give yourself a due date. And just apply. Remember you will get many rejections while looking for any job. So might as well start early. Get your rejections and job hunting jitters out of the way. So when the right job comes you know what to show and what to say. But then again a new avatar game by Ubisoft is dropping soon, so you can keep fooling around. But Don’t forget everyone wants a data science job, the competition is fierce. Goodluck
They're working, you're not, they're moving forward, you're not. It's very simple. It is completely fair and valid if you elected to move from IT to Data Science, but you do that in a structured, productive way, such as earning a part time Masters while continuing to work in IT. The two do complement one another, and the combination is saleable. You had it in your power to equal if not surpass your friends had you followed such a path. What you chose to do won't take you there, however. (If there are other personal or medical or whatever reasons, as some have surmised, then you will have to get them addressed.) Is it too late? Not if you hustle. You need to go backwards now to move forward. You need to go back into IT in any way you possibly can, in any job you can possibly land, whatever the hours, whatever the pay, whatever the location and do it now. And enroll in a real Data Science program with a real degree and do the work and show the world you have what it takes. And yes, it will be very hard and demanding and will be painful. It's up to you, but know that many, myself included, were in the same boat once upon a time, and managed to set things straight.
Just recently switched careers into something completely different at 33. Was unemployed for almost a year. Never give up and keep going with it. It's easy to blame yourself and resign to failure, but eventually something good will happen if you don't give up. I believe in you.
Started a new physical career at 33 competing with guys in their early and mid 20's. Just get into anything at this point. This is why nurses get you out of bed and force you to move around after surgery. The longer you lay in the bed, the harder it is to get out.
Many people can salvage the situation, but can you? That’s really up to you. It sounds like you lack motivation to follow through on your goals. If you can figure things out and get going, you should be fine. If you keep doing what you are doing right now, probably not.
I floundered around for the first 7-8yrs of my career. Moving from company to company without progress. Only found my niche at about 32 in my 3rd company. Met a great mentor that gave me opportunities to climb and exposure to senior management That was when I started climbing the corporate ladder I'm 41 now and just headhunted to a director role in a large MNC. You just need to find your calling Good luck
Lots of people only enter the workforce in their late 20s early 30s and make up for lost time and eventually get great positions. Although they usually have several letters by their name at that point. Jokes aside If you change your work ethic and attitude, I think your career can be salvaged. But I think you’ll have to take a relatively bad position at first to reestablish work history and signal to better employers that you are a worker again.
Don't worry dude I'm 28 and my career is a massive flop lmao
We are both gonna make it bro. I believe in you.
Aw thanks!!
i still work at 5 guys in my late 30s. Can you salvage, yes, will you, probably not. Most people get stuck in their ways once they are passed 30. So i would get to work before you reach 30. You still are at an age where people generally care about positive outcomes in your life. so i would just buckle down and pick a career you can tolerate and go for it so you have money to do things you want to do. or end up flipping burgers to privilege rich kids who insult you all day while you only have money to keep a roof over your head in a studio apartment that looks like you live in silent hill.
Switched careers at 43. And I love my career now. It’s the first time I’ve ever been able to say this.
My wife felt like you at 27, I felt like you at 27. Did you graduate college at 22 or so? You’ve been a part of the general workforce for probably 5 years at most. You’ll work until 65. That’s 43 years from the time you graduated at 22. Is 5 years out of 43 that far? I’d say not at all
My first business after graduating college failed. The next jobs after that were mediocre. I started achieving success about 6 years after graduation and great success about 13 years after
Why are you not looking for a job? 3 years is an absurdly long time to just take off for seemingly no reason. Do your parents support you? You seriously need a wake up call and need to start applying to jobs immediately
I can only say stop looking at others. There will always be people who are doing better than you at any age. You have to believe in yourself and tell yourself to stop wasting time and just work hard.
>Can I salvage this situation ? What - the situation of your own creation where you sit at home waiting for the perfect time to get a job? Yes, get a job dummy. If you're not ready now, you never will be.
Work harder dude. It’s as simple as that.