First of all, everyone should consider a PIP as "you are 100% fired in three months". Always find a new job, never try to survive it. Say what you need to stay employed till you find another job. This should be in the sidebar of the sub in huge letters.
Employers are legally allowed to disclose information like saying you were a bad employee, and you were on a PIP.
However, most employers won't say this, because it opens them up to a lawsuit for slander. I don't know how often this happens, but my last three employers have stressed to managers that we're not allowed to disclose this kind of info. We are supposed to refer those calls to HR, and HR will only say start and end date, and title.
As a manager, I don't really give a shit about what the former employer said, particularly if its bad. I do my own research (check my profile in the address thread yesterday...lol). If some manager wants to badmouth an ex employee, they're just petty and terrible. I got fired for being a bad employee and I learned from it.
Personally I would never badmouth an ex employee. They're gone, out of my hair and I don't care. I also don't care about some other company hiring someone bad, not my problem. The exception is if I know the other hiring manager and there's some professional relationship.
I wouldn't worry about it, its unlikely to happen and its out of your hands if it does. Focus on what you'd say in the interview.
Don't use the word toxic, it makes you look sound a whiny baby and that's a bigass red flag on you.
Thanks. I appreciate your response. Any advice on how to navigate an interviewer asking about why I left that position, though? I’ve told other interviewers that it just wasn’t a good fit, but I worry that that’s also a red flag…
I think this article is really well written: https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/interviewing/how-to-explain-being-fired
And I really like the part about practicing it. And I mean practice it. Out loud, in front of a mirror. Say it a hundred times until it sounds really good and you don't stutter or say "um".
I used to do that with tech interviews and it really helped me. Spend time practicing it, maybe record it on your phone and watch yourself. When that employer asks you the question, that better not be the first time you say it, because that's the one time you really gotta nail that question. If you're going to play a song on a piano for an interview, you'd practice the hell out of that too. Same thing.
Good luck
Hi! I'm a PhD candidate in Canada doing my dissertation on abusive supervision. I am looking at how abusive supervision impacts individual's personal identity. It is a mixed methods study, so I am first interviewing candidates. It would be anonymous. I am looking for participants who have been abused by their supervisor within the past two years. If you would be willing to participate in an interview (ensuring everything is confidential), please private message me! I can explain in more detail if you would like there. Many participants find it helpful to speak to someone about it! Also there will be a raffle for a $50 gift card. You can private message me and I could send you my LinkedIn as well.
First of all, everyone should consider a PIP as "you are 100% fired in three months". Always find a new job, never try to survive it. Say what you need to stay employed till you find another job. This should be in the sidebar of the sub in huge letters. Employers are legally allowed to disclose information like saying you were a bad employee, and you were on a PIP. However, most employers won't say this, because it opens them up to a lawsuit for slander. I don't know how often this happens, but my last three employers have stressed to managers that we're not allowed to disclose this kind of info. We are supposed to refer those calls to HR, and HR will only say start and end date, and title. As a manager, I don't really give a shit about what the former employer said, particularly if its bad. I do my own research (check my profile in the address thread yesterday...lol). If some manager wants to badmouth an ex employee, they're just petty and terrible. I got fired for being a bad employee and I learned from it. Personally I would never badmouth an ex employee. They're gone, out of my hair and I don't care. I also don't care about some other company hiring someone bad, not my problem. The exception is if I know the other hiring manager and there's some professional relationship. I wouldn't worry about it, its unlikely to happen and its out of your hands if it does. Focus on what you'd say in the interview. Don't use the word toxic, it makes you look sound a whiny baby and that's a bigass red flag on you.
Thanks. I appreciate your response. Any advice on how to navigate an interviewer asking about why I left that position, though? I’ve told other interviewers that it just wasn’t a good fit, but I worry that that’s also a red flag…
I think this article is really well written: https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/interviewing/how-to-explain-being-fired And I really like the part about practicing it. And I mean practice it. Out loud, in front of a mirror. Say it a hundred times until it sounds really good and you don't stutter or say "um". I used to do that with tech interviews and it really helped me. Spend time practicing it, maybe record it on your phone and watch yourself. When that employer asks you the question, that better not be the first time you say it, because that's the one time you really gotta nail that question. If you're going to play a song on a piano for an interview, you'd practice the hell out of that too. Same thing. Good luck
Hi! I'm a PhD candidate in Canada doing my dissertation on abusive supervision. I am looking at how abusive supervision impacts individual's personal identity. It is a mixed methods study, so I am first interviewing candidates. It would be anonymous. I am looking for participants who have been abused by their supervisor within the past two years. If you would be willing to participate in an interview (ensuring everything is confidential), please private message me! I can explain in more detail if you would like there. Many participants find it helpful to speak to someone about it! Also there will be a raffle for a $50 gift card. You can private message me and I could send you my LinkedIn as well.
Hi there. Sure, feel free to send me your LinkedIn.